US Seeks to Control Ukraine Investment; Hegseth Faces Signal Breach Questions
On today's podcast:
1) The US looks to control nearly all investment in Ukraine as President Trump pushes for ceasefire with Russia. the US is pushing for a deal that would give it control over major future infrastructure and mineral investments in Ukraine, potentially gaining a veto over any role for Kyiv's other allies.
2) Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth faces Signal questions on his first trip to Asia. President Donald Trump dismissed the disclosure of Houthi attack plans in a Signal chat as a “glitch” with no impact on national security. However, intelligence experts argue that the disclosure gave foreign adversaries priceless insight into US spycraft.
3) Elon Musk says he can slash a trillion dollars from the Federal budget before this summer. Musk believes his Department of Government Efficiency can find that level of cost savings within 130 days from the start of Trump's term.
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Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.240 Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm John Tucker. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:17.000 Here are these stories we're following today. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.240 John, we begin with the latest developments in the war 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.480 in Ukraine. The US is pushing to control all major 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.680 future infrastructure and mineral investments in the country. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.680 We get more from Bloomberg's Tony Haupin. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.600 It would give the US control over very large areas 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.440 of investments in Ukraine's economy. They're demanding essentially a right 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.000 of first offer in this agreement that they're drawing up 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.960 with Kiev that would allow them to control investments into 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.680 projects such as roads, railways, ports, mines, oil and gas, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.520 critical minerals extraction. So it's a pretty enormously extensive list 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.960 of things. And it will also give the US first 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.480 claim on profits that were transferred into this special investment 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.600 fund that's being proposed by Washington, and they would get 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.520 the profits until it was considered that Ukraine had basically 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.520 repaid all of the US military and economic support that 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.800 had been provided since the beginning of the war. 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.080 Bloombergs Tony Happin says the deal could undermine Ukraine's bid 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.920 for European Union membership and give the US effective control 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.600 over investment decisions covering large areas of Ukraine's economy. 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.240 And meanwhile, Nathan Russian President Vladimir Putin is proposing a 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:26.600 UN led transitional administration in Ukraine. Here's Putin speaking through 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:27.200 an interpreter. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.720 We could discuss under the auspices of the UN, with 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.280 the US, with European countries, and of course with our 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.440 partners and friends, the possibility of conducting temporary governance in 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.200 Ukraine in order to hold democratic elections in order to 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.720 bring to power a viable government that enjoys the trust 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.920 of the people and then begin negotiations with them on 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:49.760 a peace treaty. 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.560 Putin also said Runsia is worried about NATO's activities in 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:54.200 the Arctic. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:58.840 John Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is in Asia, specifically the Philippines, 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.880 for his first trip to the Rea as head of 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.040 the Pentagon, but he's facing questions about that group chat 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.080 on signal where he shared an attack timeline for Yemen 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:11.280 with top US officials and inadvertently the Atlantic magazine's editor. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.880 And I'm quite proud, quite proud of what our. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:19.440 Forces and Sentcom did on that initial series of very 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.680 effective and devastating strikes and the ongoing campaign that we 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:28.320 are undertaking because that is a again on the backs 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.320 of four years of deferred maintenance and failure and weakness 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.480 of the Biden administration, we are re establishing deterrens. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.680 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is facing calls to resign for 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.640 sharing the attack plans over a commercially available app. A 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.840 federal judge has ordered Hegseth and other officials to preserve 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.160 their signal communications over the five days that included the 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:50.280 Yemen chat, and. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:54.080 Elon mossays he's planning to slash one trillion dollars in 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.320 US government spending by the end of May. Must spoke 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:58.239 with Fox News. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.960 Our goal is to use to DEFSIT by trillion dollars, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.000 so from a nominal deficit of two trillion to track 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.400 cut DEPSIT in half to one trillion, or looked at 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:11.960 it in total federal spending, to drop the federal spending 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:12.960 from seven trillion. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:13.480 To six trillion. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.800 Figures from Elon Musk's own team show they are still 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.000 far from the one trillion dollar mark. The Doze website 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.480 lists about twenty two billion dollars in contract savings. The 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.440 cross cutting efforts to face a series of legal setbacks 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.640 as judges have halted some of their decisions. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.600 And John the Trump administration is making a big move 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.960 and it's bid to layoff government workers. Multiple agencies, including 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.200 the Justice and Defense Departments, have filed the lawsuit to 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.240 invalidate union contracts with federal employees. The suit says the 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:46.280 collective bargaining agreements are impeding President Trump's government reform efforts 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.960 and threatened national security. The American Federation of Government Employees 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.960 union is calling the case a bullying tactic against quote, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.119 hundreds of thousands of patriotic American civil servants. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.040 And while Donald Trump he intensifies his global trade war, 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:03.720 China's president is meeting with business leaders. Chi Jinping met 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.520 with more than forty leaders of companies spending, finance, manufacturing, 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.840 and technology, avowed to improve market access and boost investors 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.360 sentiment amidst rising tarofs and economic uncertainty. 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.440 John Secretary of State Marco Rubio is defending the Trump 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.960 administration's push to expel foreign citizens who have protested against Israel. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.000 Speaking to reporters during a visit to Guyana, Rubio said 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.960 the US may have revoked more than three hundred visas 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:29.440 so far. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:30.680 I think it's crazy. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.000 I think it's stupid for any country in the world 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.280 to welcome people into their country. They're going to go 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:39.160 to your universities as visitors. They're visitors and say, I'm 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.360 going to your universities to start a riot. I'm going 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.960 to your universities to take over a library and harass people. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.560 I don't care what movement you're involved in. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.240 And Secretary of State Marco Rubio and now lawyers for 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.440 the detained visa holders say the actions violate their constitutional 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.520 rights to free speech and do process. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.520 And let's turn to the markets. Futures lower right now 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.720 as we close out another volatile trading week, Gold hit 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.279 another record as concerns about US tariffs and a winding 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.440 trade war way on investors. Adam Coohons is the chief 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.000 investment officer at Winthrop Capital Management. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.800 I think we all know that Wall Street obviously likes 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.920 nothing less than uncertainty. You can get bad news and 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.320 if it's expected, you know, it doesn't really do much. 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:26.600 But uncertainty will drive this higher volatility, higher risk premiums. 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.200 Winthrop Capital Managements. Adam couhns well. The SMP five hundred 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.240 is on pace for its worst quarters since twenty twenty three, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.720 is down three point two percent so far. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.640 There's here today, John. Investors are waiting for another key 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:44.400 economic report. It's the Fed's preferred inflation gauge, the PCE deflator. 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:46.799 Ahead of that, the head of the Boston Fed says 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.120 it looks inevitable the tariffs will boost inflation, at least 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.880 in the near term. Susan Collins says it is appropriate 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.560 to keep interest rates steady for longer. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:00.080 Looks inevitable that tariffs are going to increase inflation in 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.600 the near term, and my kind of mortal outlook would 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:08.279 be that that could be short lived, with a continuation 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.200 of some disinflation, but further in the future than I 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:13.560 might have expected before. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.240 Boston Fed President Susan Collins and other central bankers left 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:24.320 interest rates unchanged last week for a second straight meeting, and. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.360 The princess to five o seven on Wall Street. It 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:27.680 is timed out for a look at some of the 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.440 others stories making news in New York and around the world. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.760 After that, we're joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr. Michael, Good Morning, 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.400 Good Morning John. A strong seven point seven magnitude earthquake 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.320 has rocked me and Mark, causing buildings disway. It caused 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:45.800 evacuations in Thailand and Vietnam. Witnesses and Bangkok said the 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.960 shaking continued for more than a minute, with people fleeing 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.119 onto the street. There were no immediate reports of casualties. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.920 The Greater Bangkok area is home to more than seventeen 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.800 million people, many of whom live in high rise apartments. 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.200 You're not welcome here. That's the chilly message that some 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.960 residents of Greenland are sending to Vice President JD. Vans 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:12.200 and Second Lady Ushevans. The two are coming as President 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.400 Trump once again vows to take over Greenland. This man 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.640 says Greenland is not for sale, and neither are it's people. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.920 He's not welcome to Quenland and he's administrated because he wants. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:23.600 To buy buyers. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.040 If he say I want to I don't want to 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:28.440 buy you, then he's welcome. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.840 Greenland is an autonomous territory but is also a part 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.320 of the Kingdom of Denmark. President Donald Trump says he 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:40.440 will withdraw Representative Elise to Phonix nomination to serve as 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.840 the US Ambassador to the United Nations, citing republicans narrow 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.680 hold on the House. In a post on social media, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.560 Trump says, with a very tight majority, I don't want 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.520 to take a chance on anyone else running for Elisa's seat. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.160 He went on to say there are others that can 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.280 do a good job at the United Nations. Wildfires that 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.440 have been raging in the Carolinas that prompted both evacuations 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:09.320 and emergency orders. There are three wildfires burning in North Carolina, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.640 including the Black Cove, which is seventeen percent contained. Governor 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.320 Josh Stein there's. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.720 Not enough containment yet, but they are working tiresly in 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.880 what's encouraging is it's the State for Service, It's the 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:26.360 National Force Services. If you're Nian affairs, it's local police, 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.760 fire departments, everybody coming together. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.920 Another wildfire, the Deep Woods is thirty percent contained. Rain 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:38.280 and cooler temperatures are helping South Korean firefighters as they 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.600 battle the country's worst ever wildfires. The chief of the 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.520 Korea Forest Service says the wildfires in the southeast where 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.040 eighty five percent contained. The fires have killed twenty eight 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:53.679 people and destroyed thousands of houses, factories, vehicles, and other structures. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.800 Global news twenty four hours a day and whenever you 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.600 want it with the Bloomberg News Now Michael Barrn, this 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:00.440 is Bloomberg. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:05.679 John all right, Michael, thank you and the Burnses to 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.920 five ten on Wall Street time down for the Bloomberg 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.360 Sports Update, brought to you by you Trin State Autie Dealers. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.240 Same for that, your Stan Schwartzman. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.719 Good morning, John and Nathan. 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I'm Dan Schwarzman, 0:10:58.880 --> 0:10:59.880 John and Nathan. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:06.000 Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio, nationwide on Sirius XM, 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.960 and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.079 Bloomberg Business app. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:13.560 Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.400 As President Donald Trump continues to push for a full 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.440 seasefire between Russia and Ukraine, he has also been looking 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:23.760 to assert more US economic control over the war torn country. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.520 It is something the President has been discussing a lot 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:27.440 in recent weeks. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.800 One of the things we are doing is signing a 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:34.120 deal very shortly with respect to rare earth with Ukraine, 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.240 which they have a tremendous value in rare earth, and 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:38.240 we appreciate that. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.840 Now Bloomberg News has seen a document that shows the 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.160 US may want more than just Ukraine's rare earths, looking 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.280 to control all major investments in infrastructure and natural resources 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.760 under a revised partnership deal. For more on this and 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.360 other news coming out of the nation's capital, we are 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.679 joined by Greg Valier this morning, chief US policy strategist 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.760 at AGF Investments. It's good to speak with you once again. 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.319 From the reporting that has been put out there, now, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.840 this sounds like a major expansion of what the President 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:09.880 has been talking about when it comes to what he 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.600 wants out of Ukraine. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.160 Well, how do you see it? 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.640 It sure is? I agree, Nathan. I think it's going 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:21.360 to be very controversial to expand US economic activity to 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.199 that level. I'm not sure a Zelensky can buy this. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.400 This has been something that has tested the relationship between 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.160 the US and Ukraine. We saw the blow up in 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.439 the Oval office last month. What makes you think that 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.360 President Zelensky could have some difficulty with this? 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.440 I think his own people. I think the Ukrainian people 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.040 are going to see that Trump wants to make Ukraine 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.880 the fifty first state. Forget about Canada, it could be Ukraine. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:55.400 And I think this type of economic activity is going 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.240 to be viewed as too harsh, too extensive. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:03.840 And we've seen also Russian President Vladimir Putin pushing this 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:11.880 idea of a UN sponsored force taking a transitional administration 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.320 over Ukraine. Early reports that the White House is kind 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.000 of dismissing that. Where do you see this going now, Greg? 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.079 I think it's going to last for a while before resolution. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.120 I'm not convinced this is going to get wrapped up 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:28.600 anytime soon. The Bloomberg story this morning, I think complicates 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.079 the prospects for getting anything done. So we've got a 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:33.480 ways to go well. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.840 And this comes, of course, after more than thirty leaders 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.240 met just yesterday in Paris trying to put out their 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:44.080 position on what to do about Ukraine, and it seems 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.400 like Europe has been on the sidelines. Can Europe sort 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.360 of reassert itself given what we're learning about what the 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.240 president is trying to do in Ukraine? 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.360 I think a bit. I think Macron and others could 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.400 be intermediaries. But I think again, this proposal that we're 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.480 seeing this is way too vast for most all of 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:04.760 the European leaders. 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.960 I want to get to the other major story that's 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.040 been dominating Washington over the last several days. Of course, 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:16.960 this signal chat about Yemen war plans or attack plans, 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:18.840 as it's been characterized. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:19.080 Now. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.920 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has continued to face questions about that, 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.160 even as he's been overseas in Asia. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.920 How do you see this playing out in the days 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:29.280 to come. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.440 Well, I think Hegseth is probably going to hang on. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.200 I don't think he's going to be dismissed, although there 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.800 are a surprisingly large number of Republicans here in Washington 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.400 who were using the phrase amateur hour, a feeling that 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.400 has got maybe over his head. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.960 How do you view the disclosures that came out of 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.080 this signal, chat? I mean, the White House has said 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:59.560 nothing classified was revealed, but we did see a pretty 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.080 detail timeline of how these attacks are going to go down. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.600 Well, you're right, Nathan, and I think an awful lot 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.080 of people here feel that this set's a very bad precedent. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:13.120 I'd also add really quickly, there have been some extraordinary 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.960 moves by Trump to consolidate his power, going after law firms. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.320 There's a story this morning going after he going after 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.440 automakers in the US who try to raise prices. So 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.680 Trump's going for it this week. This will be remembered 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.400 as a week where Trump really dramatically increased his power. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.720 Do you think these efforts to increase powers you put 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.320 it are going to have a lasting impact on about 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:39.680 thirty seconds left. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.800 I think the key as usual is going to be 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.480 two full number one public opinion and in Trump's numbers 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.680 aren't bad. They're not great, but they're not bad. And secondly, Republicans, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.560 I think a lot of Republicans in private are the 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.800 wild card. 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