Happy Gilmore (1996) vs. Caddyshack (1980)

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious Podcast. We are here with part two of
<v Speaker 1>our pre PGA Golf Championship matchup Caddy Shack versus Happy
<v Speaker 1>Gilmore in full swing and we're going to pick up
<v Speaker 1>right where we left off. Were joined again today by
<v Speaker 1>our friend from the sport Fire podcast, mister Adam Weinrib.
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<v Speaker 2>end of this episode where we determine which of these
<v Speaker 2>two movies is the best. Okay, So back to Caddisheck.
<v Speaker 2>When they decide to start making the movie, the studio
<v Speaker 2>wants them to work in California. They say, that's a
<v Speaker 2>little close for us. Let's go to Florida. Sunny Florida, right,
<v Speaker 2>And so they went to a ton of different golf courses,
<v Speaker 2>but they couldn't find the right feel.
<v Speaker 3>One of the things. It was just north of the
<v Speaker 3>Fort Lauderdale Airport right which they scouted the location on
<v Speaker 3>the weekends, and so not a lot of planes going
<v Speaker 3>on during the shoot. They had constant airplanes going overhead,
<v Speaker 3>and so they had John Murray, who's Bill Murray's brother,
<v Speaker 3>who was actually the star of Moving Violations if you've
<v Speaker 3>ever seen that movie, but he was in charge of
<v Speaker 3>standing out in the middle of the fairway and saying,
<v Speaker 3>all right, God's no planes. Then they could shoot and
<v Speaker 3>keep going like that. But in nineteen seventy nine in Florida,
<v Speaker 3>just north of Miami, is there a more centrally located
<v Speaker 3>place to be if you're a cocaine.
<v Speaker 2>User, No, nineteen seventy nine. You can't ask for a
<v Speaker 2>better spot to be if you're going to do cocious
<v Speaker 2>amounts of cocaine, And so that is what they did.
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that it was a part of the budget.
<v Speaker 2>You know, we talked about with Aerosmith and our Aerosmith
<v Speaker 2>episode that the recording part of the budget was the
<v Speaker 2>cocaine money, and I've heard that that was the way
<v Speaker 2>it was with this one as well. But the atmosphere
<v Speaker 2>at all times around this movie was NonStop party. And
<v Speaker 2>the only two guys who didn't take part in the
<v Speaker 2>debauchery were Harold Ramis and Ted Knight. Yes, Rodney Dangerfield
<v Speaker 2>was full on involved with all the young folks.
<v Speaker 4>Rodney days Alchilo, you get a free bowl of soup.
<v Speaker 3>When they met Rodney Dangerfield, they brought him in to
<v Speaker 3>talk about, Hey, we think you can do this part
<v Speaker 3>of al Shirvich. And he came into the office to
<v Speaker 3>discuss this part. When he sat down, he end up
<v Speaker 3>like three lines and wait, all right, let's talk about
<v Speaker 3>the part like did coke on the desk of the producer.
<v Speaker 2>He's Rodney freaking danger Hair And it was nineteen seventy nine.
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, this is a more open minded time,
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<v Speaker 3>So interestingly, I guess we can kind of talk about
<v Speaker 3>this right now. But during production, the golf course was
<v Speaker 3>very easy to work with. They were very accommodating. They
<v Speaker 3>had a little like an apartment complex kind of off
<v Speaker 3>the for the actors, and that's where the constant partying was.
<v Speaker 3>Except for Ted Knight rented his own house a couple
<v Speaker 3>of miles away because he didn't want to be part
<v Speaker 3>of that Apple.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it turns out Ted Knight is probably as straight
<v Speaker 2>laced as Judge Smails is like it is, and he
<v Speaker 2>had a real antagonistic relationship with Rodney Dangerfield that came
<v Speaker 2>across pretty clearly in their scenes together, like it was
<v Speaker 2>a genuine dislike.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he was under his skin.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So Rodney Dangerfields out there doing a bit, doing
<v Speaker 2>it different every time. And Ted Knight is a script actor, right,
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you know, we we say what's on the script.
<v Speaker 2>We don't say other stuff. And so it was really
<v Speaker 2>the slobs versus the snobs going on behind the scenes
<v Speaker 2>as well.
<v Speaker 3>The man's a menace, Hey Whitey, where's your hat?
<v Speaker 2>You slice into the woods.
<v Speaker 5>I mean when you've got like you've gone from Mary
<v Speaker 5>Tyler Moore to like a guy hoisting a boom box
<v Speaker 5>out of his bag and on the course, then you've
<v Speaker 5>gone from like comedy queen like you talk about straight
<v Speaker 5>lace like ten Night, Mary Tyler Moore, Matt Man Heaven
<v Speaker 5>and then Rodney Yeah, I mean Craggy to have the
<v Speaker 5>confidence to I mean you were talking about how he's
<v Speaker 5>never been in a movie before and yet he still
<v Speaker 5>has the confidence in the pitch meeting to be like
<v Speaker 5>doing lines of coke like I guess he's built different,
<v Speaker 5>and you can tell throughout the entire film.
<v Speaker 3>He does an amazing job. I heard Harro Ramis talk
<v Speaker 3>about how the kind of layout of Caddyshack is like
<v Speaker 3>a Marx Brothers movie. I thought this was super interesting.
<v Speaker 3>So he sees caddy Shak as a Marx Brothers movie.
<v Speaker 3>You have Groucho Marx and Rodney Dangerfield, right, al Chervich,
<v Speaker 3>Grouchier Marx. Then you have Chico Marx and Ty Webb
<v Speaker 3>which is Chevy Chace's character, and then Harpo Marx is
<v Speaker 3>Bill Murray cross Backler. For whatever reason, that just really
<v Speaker 3>stuck with me. I thought that was really interesting.
<v Speaker 2>And Karl Marx is Sandy the groundskeep. No, I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 2>that was a bad I apologize for want you to.
<v Speaker 3>Kill every golfer on the course.
<v Speaker 2>Correct you, I'm wrong. You know.
<v Speaker 3>One of the interesting things I think we need to
<v Speaker 3>talk about is how this movie came together, and that's
<v Speaker 3>that's really the big story here. I think the story
<v Speaker 3>of Caddyshack was originally supposed to be the three way
<v Speaker 3>love triangle between Danny, Maggie, and Denunzie.
<v Speaker 2>Where's Lacy Underall is coming in this?
<v Speaker 3>Lacey anderls is you know, she's around, but she's a
<v Speaker 3>minor character, right. And as they started filming this, Harold
<v Speaker 3>Ramis is like, hey, Chevy, you're funny, keep going, improv
<v Speaker 3>do stuff. Hey Bill Murray, you're funny, do stuff, Rodney Dangerfield,
<v Speaker 3>you're hilarious, keep going. And those parts grew, and so
<v Speaker 3>something had to shrink, and they de emphasized that love
<v Speaker 3>triangle to where I mean, it's just kind of this
<v Speaker 3>whirlwind story. Yeah, Danny wins the tournament. He also gets
<v Speaker 3>the scholarship. We don't get any resolution with Danny. I mean, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>the original ending. I think they actually filmed this. Danny
<v Speaker 3>was at the airport and he supposed to either get
<v Speaker 3>on an airplane to go to college, or there was
<v Speaker 3>a so like, as he's getting ready to get on
<v Speaker 3>the airport to go to college, a pretty girl walks
<v Speaker 3>by and gets on an airplane going to the Bahamas,
<v Speaker 3>and he does the old U turn and gets on
<v Speaker 3>the airplane to go into the Bahamas.
<v Speaker 2>Or in the words of John Paul Satre or Voago, fair.
<v Speaker 3>Fair, But instead we get the wrap up of Ronnie Dingefield. Hey, everybody,
<v Speaker 3>we're all gonna get laid.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So they put this giant four hour movie together,
<v Speaker 2>they take it back to the studio and they look
<v Speaker 2>at it and go, this is nonsense. This doesn't make
<v Speaker 2>any sense at all. You got to get rid of this.
<v Speaker 2>You gotta get rid of that, You got get rid
<v Speaker 2>of this, you get heard of that. And so all
<v Speaker 2>of the parts that are getting cut are all of
<v Speaker 2>those caddy parts, the young actor parts, because the old
<v Speaker 2>comedians are doing such an incredible job. I mean, if
<v Speaker 2>you think about the most memorable lines from this movie.
<v Speaker 2>You've obviously got Bill Murray who didn't have any lines,
<v Speaker 2>he just made up all of his stuff. And you've
<v Speaker 2>got Rodney Dangerfield and you got Ted Knight. Those are
<v Speaker 2>the three guys who have the most funny bits in
<v Speaker 2>this whole movie. And so then they've cut out all
<v Speaker 2>the non funny bits. They've got all these kind of vignettes,
<v Speaker 2>you know, with Chevy and Billy and all of these guys,
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, how do we string all this thing together?
<v Speaker 2>And it's John Peters, the producer, who goes, hey, we
<v Speaker 2>had that gopher. Maybe we can use the gopher as
<v Speaker 2>kind of a through line to connect all of these stories.
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, we shot three scenes with the gopher.
<v Speaker 2>How are we gonna do that? So they're like, we're
<v Speaker 2>gonna make another gopher, and we're gonna shoot more stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And so who do they call to make them a gopher?
<v Speaker 3>John dyk Show, the guy does Star Wars, Right, Adam,
<v Speaker 3>thought's on the gopher.
<v Speaker 5>I'm glad that you said that, because if you hadn't
<v Speaker 5>given me the origins, I wanted to go in cold.
<v Speaker 5>I was like, I don't know anything about the gopher
<v Speaker 5>like or how it showed up or when it arrived.
<v Speaker 5>I was gonna ask was that a script note, because
<v Speaker 5>like knowing how comedians work, knowing how they operate it,
<v Speaker 5>it just doesn't feel like it's in the same voice
<v Speaker 5>of the lampoon guys to be like, we got a
<v Speaker 5>big like we got a big old crazy like coming
<v Speaker 5>off Animal House.
<v Speaker 4>Let's put an adorable little gopher that will.
<v Speaker 5>Later inspire the movie ice Age in this flick Like
<v Speaker 5>it just it feels out of voice.
<v Speaker 4>It feels like it's a different thing entirely. So I
<v Speaker 4>was gonna bet that it was.
<v Speaker 5>And I'm glad that you told me that I wanted
<v Speaker 5>to fly blind and I was rewarded for it.
<v Speaker 2>Sweet, that's why we're here.
<v Speaker 3>Listen. Doug Kenny and Harold Ramis hated the gopher.
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, yeah. Doug Kenny was getting more and more
<v Speaker 2>frustrated at how things were going. But when ultimately they
<v Speaker 2>said we want the gopher to be a bigger part
<v Speaker 2>of this, he quit. He just was like, you guys
<v Speaker 2>have ruined my movie. And he had gotten really bad
<v Speaker 2>into drinking and cocaine use at this time, and so
<v Speaker 2>Chevy Chase says, hey, man, I got some friends in Hawaii.
<v Speaker 2>Let me fly you out there. Give you time to
<v Speaker 2>kind of get your mind straight, get off the drugs,
<v Speaker 2>you know, because you know we're just flying drugs into
<v Speaker 2>Hawaii and.
<v Speaker 3>Wrong Chevy Chase smuggled in cocaine in tennis balls. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, asking a drug addict to take another drug
<v Speaker 3>addict on vacation and to dry out not a good plan.
<v Speaker 2>So Chevy has to go back. Yep. Doug Kenny's girlfriend
<v Speaker 2>comes out to be with him for a little while,
<v Speaker 2>and then she has to leave. And then I think
<v Speaker 2>it's Chevy supposed to be coming back to see him, right,
<v Speaker 2>he calls Chevy talks to you on the phone. Supposed
<v Speaker 2>to be coming back to see him. He's due out
<v Speaker 2>in a couple of days. And then Doug Kenny disappears. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and they can't find him, yeah for three days. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>They find him at the base of a cliff where
<v Speaker 3>he either a jumped, b slipped or see, as Harold
<v Speaker 3>Ramis said, slipped looking for a place to jump. But tragically,
<v Speaker 3>we lost Doug Kenny way too early. He did not
<v Speaker 3>survive long enough to see Caddyshack appreciated as this cultural icon,
<v Speaker 3>which is that's really the sad part.
<v Speaker 2>That's the tragedy, for sure, it is. But will lay
<v Speaker 2>the seed? Now, this movie was not a success whenever
<v Speaker 2>it first came out, and as we mentioned, there were
<v Speaker 2>another couple of movies that had come out that when
<v Speaker 2>Doug Kenny sawm he said, my movie will fail. It
<v Speaker 2>will fail.
<v Speaker 3>Those movies are The Blues Brothers. Yeah, an Airplane, Right,
<v Speaker 3>so let's talk about that for a minute. What do
<v Speaker 3>you think about those those movies, Adam.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Airplane is another one of mine. If I'm in
<v Speaker 5>a power rank those two. I don't know if I
<v Speaker 5>ever connected with the Blues Brothers necessarily. I don't know
<v Speaker 5>if they resonated with me so much. The Blues Brothers
<v Speaker 5>was sort of a legend. Your parents tell you about
<v Speaker 5>what made Saturday Night Live. They're like they were so funny,
<v Speaker 5>and they were like, what was funny about him? And
<v Speaker 5>they're like the guys just really wanted to sing.
<v Speaker 4>It's like.
<v Speaker 5>They sound talented, and so the movie always felt like
<v Speaker 5>sort of a you know, a solid B B minus
<v Speaker 5>for me. But Airplane was definitely one of my childhood favorites.
<v Speaker 5>It was the alternative I watched to Kentucky Fried movie
<v Speaker 5>and Kareem abdul Jabbar, you want to talk about a
<v Speaker 5>sports crossover is? I mean, that's like a perfectly conceived
<v Speaker 5>bit beginning to end that develops and grows as that
<v Speaker 5>movie goes on. But yeah, that's a movie that's sort
<v Speaker 5>of I mean, above all other movies. That one taught
<v Speaker 5>me that you can cram everything you want to into
<v Speaker 5>an hour and a half script and obviously the studio
<v Speaker 5>will tell you what gets into the final cut. But
<v Speaker 5>you really can be a writer who says I want
<v Speaker 5>to write constant jokes.
<v Speaker 4>Can I do that? Yes?
<v Speaker 5>You can, right, So it set an expectation high. And
<v Speaker 5>it's funny that you mentioned it in comparison to Caddyshack
<v Speaker 5>and sort of sending Doug Kenny spiraling a little bit,
<v Speaker 5>because there are more jokes permitted an airplane, for sure,
<v Speaker 5>and sort of I would have expected a Lampoon writer
<v Speaker 5>to write Airplane instead. It's much more of a just
<v Speaker 5>satire hurricane than Caddyshack, which really is like, let's let
<v Speaker 5>characters loose and much of the greatest stuff is unscripted.
<v Speaker 3>You know, the story that I heard Doug Kenny was
<v Speaker 3>angry at how Caddyshack was going. What they thought was
<v Speaker 3>their main threat that summer was the Blues Brothers, when
<v Speaker 3>that course was Jumble a Sheet and Danak and John
<v Speaker 3>Landis who had directed Animal House right, and so it
<v Speaker 3>was kind of like this split from Animal House, like
<v Speaker 3>half of the guys went to Caddyshack, half of them
<v Speaker 3>went to Blues Brothers, and that was sort of what
<v Speaker 3>they saw as their competition. He went to see a
<v Speaker 3>movie before the release of Caddyshack, and when he saw Airplane,
<v Speaker 3>He's like, man, we're sunk, We're toasts. He was the
<v Speaker 3>only guy in the theater not dying, laughing.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we talked about Bill Murray improving all of
<v Speaker 2>his lines. Harold Ramis would give him something, just an outline,
<v Speaker 2>and he would go with it. And so at this time,
<v Speaker 2>Harold Ramis was running a lot, like doing a lot
<v Speaker 2>of long distance runs, and so whenever he was at
<v Speaker 2>the end of a race or the end of a
<v Speaker 2>run and he felt like he was out of gas,
<v Speaker 2>he would do a little sports announcer to himself in
<v Speaker 2>his head, like, here comes Harold Ramis down the stretch.
<v Speaker 2>He's got to huff it out. For these last few yards,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so he tells Bill Murray, this is
<v Speaker 2>the idea that I have for this bit. Is this
<v Speaker 2>kind of inurit? Bill Murray's like, Santa More, I got it.
<v Speaker 2>And that's where you get the Cinerella story. This crowd
<v Speaker 2>is going to justly shot it, senor Ella story. Out
<v Speaker 2>of nowhere.
<v Speaker 3>A former greene keeper now about to become the Mesthew's champion.
<v Speaker 2>It looks like I'm a wreck best bit in the movie.
<v Speaker 3>One take one take one take totally improved. Bill Murray
<v Speaker 3>said right before they shot, He's like, all I need
<v Speaker 3>is a weed whacker and four rosa mumps. Let's talk
<v Speaker 3>about the baby Ruth.
<v Speaker 2>For a second.
<v Speaker 4>Why not we got gotten this far.
<v Speaker 2>So the caddies themselves lost out on a lot of
<v Speaker 2>footage obviously, right, they've become a very small part of
<v Speaker 2>the story. But one of the key components that the
<v Speaker 2>Caddies are present in is the pool scene.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was the first scene of the shoot, I believe,
<v Speaker 3>where Sidney Morgan had to walk in dazzle everybody. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>climbed to the top of the highboard and reportedly dive.
<v Speaker 3>Although she's legally blind, she couldn't see anything, she didn't
<v Speaker 3>ever contacts in, so she couldn't jump. She alsea can't swim.
<v Speaker 3>All she had to do is run to the edge
<v Speaker 3>in spring and then they cut to another diver who
<v Speaker 3>looks nothing like her. But yeah, So the thing that
<v Speaker 3>cracks me up that kind of slides by a lot
<v Speaker 3>of people, the sign that it says Caddy day at
<v Speaker 3>the pool one to one fifteen. You get fifteen minutes
<v Speaker 3>in the pool.
<v Speaker 2>And then you have this ridiculous synchronized swimming bits that
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense at all.
<v Speaker 3>The water belly, why Harold Raimis is like, you know,
<v Speaker 3>what'd be funny water ballet.
<v Speaker 2>The guys who were in the part are like, we're underwater.
<v Speaker 2>We couldn't hear him. You'll cut. We're down there dying
<v Speaker 2>for breath. We don't know what's going on.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they only had fifteen minutes and they used what
<v Speaker 5>twelve of them to do this busby Berkeley thing, not
<v Speaker 5>in a fishing use of time.
<v Speaker 3>But the real thing that I wanted to talk about.
<v Speaker 3>Brian Doyle Murray says this actually happened while he was
<v Speaker 3>in high school. Yeah, okay, so the scene is you
<v Speaker 3>have a girl Caddy on the edge of the pool.
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember her name, but she's like breaking out
<v Speaker 3>a baby Ruth bar. But she goes to hand it
<v Speaker 3>to her friend. Her friend takes it and throws it
<v Speaker 3>in the pool. So you got the floating baby ruth
<v Speaker 3>bar and they have the Jaws theme. It's falding no.
<v Speaker 3>And then of course they drained the pool and I
<v Speaker 3>want to scrub, sterilize and disaffected, and Bill Murray picks
<v Speaker 3>it up and eats it. Right, that's the huge punch line.
<v Speaker 3>But I was going to ask you, Adam, so I
<v Speaker 3>was talking to you about this. Caddy Shack is a movie.
<v Speaker 3>I think that's passed down generationally. So like my dad
<v Speaker 3>found it super funny based on those Saturday Night Live guys.
<v Speaker 3>As a kid, I'm seven years old, I'm watching it.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's hilarious because you have somebody eating their.
<v Speaker 2>Boogers and you have a gopher, dancing gopher.
<v Speaker 3>And a dancing gopher. Right. But as I grew I
<v Speaker 3>appreciated the comedy. You just kind of move up the ladder.
<v Speaker 4>Right thoughts on that, Yeah, it's funny.
<v Speaker 5>The first time I saw it was around whenever the
<v Speaker 5>AFI release their list of the top one hundred comedies.
<v Speaker 5>So I think I was twelve or thirteen, and I
<v Speaker 5>sort of was like, all right, my goal, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 5>run down this whole list. I'm gonna do them all
<v Speaker 5>like and that list is weird, like there's some non
<v Speaker 5>comedies there, like Harold and Maud is like a top
<v Speaker 5>twenty ish or whatever.
<v Speaker 4>But I had no.
<v Speaker 5>Context, so I'm just like, all I'm gonna do them
<v Speaker 5>all like as many as I can. My favorite movie
<v Speaker 5>is at the time were Airplane Spaceballs, like Young Frankenstein,
<v Speaker 5>which was on the list, but most of these are
<v Speaker 5>not the kind of movies that the afis like.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, a top ten comedy you of all time?
<v Speaker 5>Right, So it was so highly ranked that I think
<v Speaker 5>I was expecting more of that, and when it was like,
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, I'm twelve, and I was like, it
<v Speaker 5>was so it's so scenic, the plot is a little loose,
<v Speaker 5>it relies on you, you know, falling for each of
<v Speaker 5>these individual actors. And I was an SNL fan, but
<v Speaker 5>like I said, late eighties, early nineties not so much
<v Speaker 5>the oldest stuff. So I was slightly disappointed the first
<v Speaker 5>time I saw it, only because I think I was
<v Speaker 5>expecting zaniness, but like within the confines of satire, and
<v Speaker 5>there was just nothing for me to grasp onto. It
<v Speaker 5>just felt like it was very slapstick, and it's very
<v Speaker 5>it's like, let Bill do his thing, let Chevy do
<v Speaker 5>his thing, like and I think I wasn't necessarily ready
<v Speaker 5>for it. The rewatch was really satisfying of this movie.
<v Speaker 5>I think that's pretty clear. I mean, it's it's an
<v Speaker 5>all time classic for a reason. But once you become
<v Speaker 5>more acquainted with these actors, it's like, great an hour
<v Speaker 5>and a half with these hilarious people.
<v Speaker 4>Like right, your expectations are different.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 3>I watched it one time. It was summer. I'm paling
<v Speaker 3>around with some older kids in my neighborhood and like
<v Speaker 3>my next door neighbor and then his sister and you know,
<v Speaker 3>her friend. And I'm like the young kid. I'm probably
<v Speaker 3>fourteen and they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. They're like, well, let's
<v Speaker 3>watch a movie tonight. I'm like, great, have you guys
<v Speaker 3>ever seen Caddyshacks. They're like no, I'm like, oh, it's
<v Speaker 3>super funny, let's watch it. And when I showed it,
<v Speaker 3>it bombed like nobody thought it was funny, so I
<v Speaker 3>do kind of agree with you. It does take some
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of an acquired ta why yeah you.
<v Speaker 5>Gotta Yeah, the worst feeling. That is the worst feeling
<v Speaker 5>in the world. Though, recommending a movie just like older
<v Speaker 5>kids and having.
<v Speaker 4>Them be like I did not like that at all. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I mean, neither is a joke.
<v Speaker 5>You're like, you're waiting for them to laugh at your
<v Speaker 5>favorite bits and they're just not doing it, and you're like, oh, okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 5>we can do anything else.
<v Speaker 4>We can play checkers, like yeah, growing.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was That was a rough night.
<v Speaker 2>Nothing I like it.
<v Speaker 3>I was talking to a friend of mine, Stale Selby,
<v Speaker 3>who's one of our Patreon guys and super appreciate deal.
<v Speaker 3>I texted with him and I said, hey, we're gonna
<v Speaker 3>do caddy Shack and Happy Gilmore, And he just started
<v Speaker 3>firing back quotes from Caddyshack, Right, fifty bucks, you slice
<v Speaker 3>in the woods, kill all the golfers, right duty, all
<v Speaker 3>this stuff. We're just back and forth and I'm texting
<v Speaker 3>him and he's texting me. It became apparent that Happy Gilmore,
<v Speaker 3>although funny, doesn't elicit that kind of response, so.
<v Speaker 2>I was going to save this for for final judgment time,
<v Speaker 2>but I'll go ahead. I'll just go ahead and say
<v Speaker 2>it now. Caddyshack is funny because of lines that are memorable. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>Happy Gilmore is funny because lines that are funny. In
<v Speaker 2>Happy Gilmore, you watch it for the first time, you're
<v Speaker 2>going to be laughing. Yes, but you probably won't remember
<v Speaker 2>as many of the lines, right, Caddyshack. You may not
<v Speaker 2>like it your first time. It may be the fifth
<v Speaker 2>time before you like kind of get it. But those
<v Speaker 2>lines will stay with you forever.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, even the little whity to eat your fat.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know if we quote a movie
<v Speaker 2>more than we quote Caddyshack. In my household, if there's
<v Speaker 2>a loud noise in the house something, you know, I've
<v Speaker 2>got five kids. That happens pretty frequently. My wife will
<v Speaker 2>go that must be the tea.
<v Speaker 3>Every time I walk into a restaurant, I like, I
<v Speaker 3>want a hammerer, No, a cheeseburger. Even just the little
<v Speaker 3>lines that Ted Knight delivers that aren't even really funny lines.
<v Speaker 3>It's pauling, get your foot off the ball, and get
<v Speaker 3>your foot off the boat, right, And then the stupid
<v Speaker 3>poem that he gives.
<v Speaker 2>It's the delivery. It's the delivery. Ted Knight's delivery is incredible.
<v Speaker 2>He's awesome. Okay, let's bump on over to Happy We
<v Speaker 2>don't have the cocaine laden parties going on with Happy Girl,
<v Speaker 2>or do we? Maybe? I don't know, I don't, we
<v Speaker 2>don't know.
<v Speaker 4>You know, Corevino just dip it in there.
<v Speaker 2>Hey.
<v Speaker 3>By the way, Lee Trevino not proud of this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Now. He was mad when because he didn't realize how
<v Speaker 2>profane it was. Sorry, Sorry, Lee, Lee's a big guy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did find it interesting. They had Mark Lai,
<v Speaker 3>who is the golf consultant who they brought in to
<v Speaker 3>talk about the movie with, and they're like, you know,
<v Speaker 3>I think it's gonna culminate with him whenning the Masters.
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna make him win the Masters. He's like, what, No,
<v Speaker 3>you can't desecrate the Masters, right, you can't do that,
<v Speaker 3>you know.
<v Speaker 2>So just change the color of the coat. So that's
<v Speaker 2>why gold Yeah, gold coat.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I love how in that that line in the
<v Speaker 3>movie where he's like green jacket, gold jagget who gives it?
<v Speaker 2>You know? So there's that there's an interesting point I can't.
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to remember the line. But there's two real
<v Speaker 2>pro golfers that he comes up and meets, gets introduced
<v Speaker 2>by s by Shooter to these two golfers and he's like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>I heard you hit that something like four hundred yard whatever,
<v Speaker 2>drive like complimenting him, and Haby Gilmore has this kind
<v Speaker 2>of surprise look on his face. And it occurred to
<v Speaker 2>me on this last watching. It's the first time he's
<v Speaker 2>ever been complimented for something that he did athletically. Right,
<v Speaker 2>He's a terrible skater, He's not a good shot. He
<v Speaker 2>has a terrible attitude on the hockey rink, which is
<v Speaker 2>his whole purpose for being, and it ultimately ends up
<v Speaker 2>that he's made fun of by the guys who are
<v Speaker 2>coaching the team.
<v Speaker 3>Right, he gets in a fight with the coach.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so it's this one moment where all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden he's recognized for something athletically that he's done.
<v Speaker 2>That You've got this magical moment where you go, oh,
<v Speaker 2>he actually has moved at this moment. That's pretty good.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I like it.
<v Speaker 3>In real life, Adam Sandler is both terrible at hockey
<v Speaker 3>and golf.
<v Speaker 2>I think he's been practicing golf lately.
<v Speaker 3>I saw that shot that he posts on Instagram.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he's been playing and trying to get better.
<v Speaker 2>Apparently his dad was really good and so he would
<v Speaker 2>take them out golfing, he and his friends, and the
<v Speaker 2>character of Happy Gilmour is actually based on one of
<v Speaker 2>his friends. So, Kyle macdonnaugh was this kid who was
<v Speaker 2>a hockey player that was friends with Adam Sandler growing up.
<v Speaker 2>His dad takes him out to the golf course and
<v Speaker 2>he wails the ball, like drives it all the way
<v Speaker 2>down the course, and his dad's like that is amazing.
<v Speaker 2>He's like just you know, love it all over him,
<v Speaker 2>and Adam Sandler is just kind of like over here defeated,
<v Speaker 2>like I'm your said dad. And so the idea of
<v Speaker 2>a guy who plays hockey being strong enough to hit
<v Speaker 2>a golf ball four hundred yards comes from a childhood
<v Speaker 2>friend that he had. Now, as it turns out, there's
<v Speaker 2>a real golfer, like a real guy who's a pro
<v Speaker 2>golfer who was a hockey player who ended up winning,
<v Speaker 2>like I think he won the long what do they
<v Speaker 2>call the long distance shot? Like, is it the long
<v Speaker 2>distance drive contest?
<v Speaker 3>Ye?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. His name is Jamie Sidlowski and he is one
<v Speaker 2>of the most prolific long drivers in the world. He's
<v Speaker 2>able to hit the ball almost four hundred and fifty yards. Wow.
<v Speaker 2>The PGA Championship will be going on at the time
<v Speaker 2>that this episode comes out.
<v Speaker 4>Nice.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, hopefully the Little Blonde Caddie is back for
<v Speaker 5>another running.
<v Speaker 3>I want to give a quick shout out to my
<v Speaker 3>father in law, who I just attended his funeral this week.
<v Speaker 3>Still the best golfer I've ever been around. The first
<v Speaker 3>time I took his daughter on a date, first time
<v Speaker 3>I met her parents, they took us to a driving
<v Speaker 3>range and he was killing the ball, like bombing it,
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, dang, that's the long ways and
<v Speaker 3>he would like thump the club down and be like, dang,
<v Speaker 3>I missed it. Really good golfer.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So can we talk about the movie for a second.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about it, okay. So the first thing that
<v Speaker 2>I got to say is the Chinese lady Chinese Japanese,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what she was. The Asian lady who
<v Speaker 2>overhears him as he's going through his come back to me.
<v Speaker 4>I want to.
<v Speaker 2>Hysterical.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, what breakfast.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought I thought that was brilliant.
<v Speaker 3>So that that scene is really funny because she happens
<v Speaker 3>to be walking by as he's making a plea for
<v Speaker 3>her to come back to his apartment. This random lady
<v Speaker 3>walks by and hears it. She shows up at the door,
<v Speaker 3>She's like, here I am, and it cuts to the
<v Speaker 3>next like the next morning. That was funny enough for me,
<v Speaker 3>and then she walks out of the bedroom, which was
<v Speaker 3>like a double punchline for me.
<v Speaker 2>So and then I started writing down the funny bits
<v Speaker 2>in this movie, and I realized that they were one
<v Speaker 2>right after another so fast that I couldn't keep up
<v Speaker 2>with it. So I'm just going to say the first
<v Speaker 2>funny bits. Okay, you've got that, lady, then you've got
<v Speaker 2>He comes to his grandmother's house, sees them taking out
<v Speaker 2>the furniture, and so he runs and jumps this guy's
<v Speaker 2>trying to move the couch and it slams the ground.
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was hysterical. And then those guys become
<v Speaker 2>a key. Like the hook in the in the script
<v Speaker 2>is they're out there trying to shoot a golf ball
<v Speaker 2>in his yard and he's like, you guys need to
<v Speaker 2>get back to work. And that's where the bet of
<v Speaker 2>you know, you could hit the ball further, I'd like
<v Speaker 2>to see you try it, right, And then he hits
<v Speaker 2>the ball, and of course it's hysterical because it first
<v Speaker 2>hits the house, and then when the owner of the
<v Speaker 2>house is out there yelling and hits him and he's like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>he should have been standing out there. And then by
<v Speaker 2>the time he hits it the third time, hits the
<v Speaker 2>lady who's in the window, and she rolls off the
<v Speaker 2>roof and I'm crying. I'm laughing super far, like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>we better get inside. But that the that sets the
<v Speaker 2>stage for the entire rest of the movie. Is that
<v Speaker 2>really hysterical moment.
<v Speaker 3>Like you said, funny moments, not necessarily funny lines.
<v Speaker 5>There's a death in the intro and then happy first
<v Speaker 5>golf seam. We've got two people. We don't know how
<v Speaker 5>they are. There are a maximum of three depths, the
<v Speaker 5>minimum of one in the.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she fell out of a two story window.
<v Speaker 3>She's probably fine. I was gonna mention that happy Gilmore
<v Speaker 3>golf shot has been imitated at more driving ranges than
<v Speaker 3>than anything.
<v Speaker 2>Have you heck I've.
<v Speaker 4>Tried, Yeah, I haven't tried it. I should.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I was gonna say, so, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>a golfer, but I've tried it. You know, I've played golf,
<v Speaker 2>but I am not a golfer. But I have definitely
<v Speaker 2>tried that one. Adam, you got any golf in your blood.
<v Speaker 5>I got too much golf in my blood to not
<v Speaker 5>be a good golfer. But I am not a great golfer.
<v Speaker 5>My grandfather your my grandfather's best golfer i've ever seen,
<v Speaker 5>hold in the one at the age of like eighty nine.
<v Speaker 5>My dad yo, yeah, oh yeah, I stole his golf
<v Speaker 5>caps growing up, like he's got the like Irish little
<v Speaker 5>golf hats, but I did not did not imbue me
<v Speaker 5>with the power of the putter. My my dad was
<v Speaker 5>the accountant that helped design a course called the brig
<v Speaker 5>so he learned to golf as a as an adult.
<v Speaker 4>Nice, I guess I could still do that.
<v Speaker 5>And then my soon to be father in law and
<v Speaker 5>uh my brothers in law are big golfers, and every
<v Speaker 5>time I go there, I'm like, I'm sit this one
<v Speaker 5>out as well. I have not, so hopefully someday. I mean,
<v Speaker 5>there's too much golf in my general area for me
<v Speaker 5>to not be good. But I'm not good.
<v Speaker 2>I decided at some point I'm not playing golf anymore
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to look ridiculous. That's what I thought.
<v Speaker 2>I just unless like, I'm so bad, I'm not going
<v Speaker 2>to play anymore. I don't want to look ridiculous. And
<v Speaker 2>finally we go play at this really nice course that's
<v Speaker 2>called Top of the Rock that's up in Branson, Missouri
<v Speaker 2>and next Brandso, Missouri. Yeah, and it's my guys from work,
<v Speaker 2>and they're liked, we have an odd number of people
<v Speaker 2>without you. You have to play where teams. I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any clubs. They're like, we'll let you
<v Speaker 2>use our clubs. I'm like, okay, I'm terrible. They're like,
<v Speaker 2>it's okay, it's a scramble, all right. Fine, And I
<v Speaker 2>go and I play, and I don't care, and I
<v Speaker 2>shoot the best game of golf I've ever shot in
<v Speaker 2>my life. There you go, So there you go. Just
<v Speaker 2>go out with nothing to lose, and you'll and you'll
<v Speaker 2>shoot a better game.
<v Speaker 4>That's right.
<v Speaker 3>I'm just hide in the bushes next time you play
<v Speaker 3>and say jackass, dude, good slice of the woods. I'll
<v Speaker 3>tell you who else was bad golfers. Everybody on the
<v Speaker 3>cast of Caddy Show. Yeah, except kind of Michael O'Keeffe.
<v Speaker 3>But here's the funny thing. So like Chevy Chase not
<v Speaker 3>a great golfer, The guy who played d Nunzio terrible.
<v Speaker 3>You can watch his swing and see he's terrible. Rodney
<v Speaker 3>Danefield terrible. Michael O'Keefe, who plays Danny Newton, actually has
<v Speaker 3>a pretty swing. You can tell he's played before. He's
<v Speaker 3>a pretty good athlete. He didn't play golf for the
<v Speaker 3>next twenty five years because every time he went to
<v Speaker 3>the golf course, the entire place lined up and watched
<v Speaker 3>him drive and putt and play and at him. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>he's like, I can't handle this pressure. Everybody wants to
<v Speaker 3>see me play golf. Yeah, so he gave up the
<v Speaker 3>game of twenty five years.
<v Speaker 2>So he's been in a lot of stuff, nothing anywhere
<v Speaker 2>as big as Caddyshack was. But have you ever seen
<v Speaker 2>Sneaky Pete. No, he plays the dirty cop in the
<v Speaker 2>first season of Sneaky Pete and he's a great bad guy,
<v Speaker 2>which is really because he's kind of a little goofy, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but athletic looking guy for Caddyshack. But he was a
<v Speaker 2>great dirty cop and sneaky interesting.
<v Speaker 5>I liked him in Caddyshack more than I thought I would.
<v Speaker 5>I feel like he's a legendary film like not good
<v Speaker 5>enough actor. Like when people are coming up a conversation
<v Speaker 5>of like which parts would we recast, he's like top
<v Speaker 5>of the mountain, And so I watched with those goggles
<v Speaker 5>and I was like, you know what, not bad, pretty good.
<v Speaker 2>I think he does a pretty good job in that
<v Speaker 2>first scene that he is in with Chevy Chase, where
<v Speaker 2>they're walking down the course. They're improving all of those
<v Speaker 2>lines and he's a kid. Chevy Chase is at this
<v Speaker 2>point a veteran improv actor, and he's holding his own
<v Speaker 2>you do drugs, Danny every day? That isn't good on
<v Speaker 2>the spot and they have to finish right as they
<v Speaker 2>hit the camera exactly. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>One thing end of production that we always talk about
<v Speaker 2>is soundtrack, Right, is that where you're going?
<v Speaker 3>That's where I was going.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, then you go there. I think we can go
<v Speaker 2>there now.
<v Speaker 3>When they got done with the movie, they're like, we
<v Speaker 3>need a song, So who are we going to get
<v Speaker 3>to do this. Harold Ramis is like, how about Pink Floyd.
<v Speaker 2>Pink Floyd, who had just turned down Flash Gordon, Right.
<v Speaker 3>And so they call Pink Floyd. They're no, not interested right.
<v Speaker 2>Now, Pink Floyd the Wall came out of nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 2>as well, Right, they're a little busy. Yeah, so they
<v Speaker 2>why would you make music for the things you're going
<v Speaker 2>to compete against?
<v Speaker 3>Right?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So John Peters was a hairdresser before he was a producer,
<v Speaker 3>met and started dating Barbara streisand who had just done
<v Speaker 3>a song with Kenny Loggins. Okay, so John Peters is like, well,
<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of friends with Kenny Loggins. Let's call him
<v Speaker 3>in here and see what he's.
<v Speaker 2>Got from Loggins and Messina.
<v Speaker 3>From Loggins and Messina. So they bring him in, they
<v Speaker 3>show him the rough cut. He comes up, and he
<v Speaker 3>just brings his guitar and plays I'm all right since
<v Speaker 3>and thereby becomes the greatest eighties soundtrack singer of all time.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you if you just look at his
<v Speaker 2>big ones, they're the biggest ones of the eighties. You've
<v Speaker 2>got Caddie Shock, You've got Footloose, how you seed.
<v Speaker 4>Will so this time.
<v Speaker 2>Now gotta cut Louise, put up Sue. You've got top
<v Speaker 2>freaking gun.
<v Speaker 3>You got two on footloose, you got two on top Gun.
<v Speaker 4>Now you sold.
<v Speaker 3>No, let's take it out.
<v Speaker 5>I'm salad.
<v Speaker 3>You've got meet me halfway from over the Top?
<v Speaker 2>Was that?
<v Speaker 4>Oh No? I was just giving over the top and.
<v Speaker 3>Over the Top the world's greatest harmlessly movie. You've got
<v Speaker 3>you know, You've got Nobody's fool, which is the only
<v Speaker 3>good thing from Caddy Shack too.
<v Speaker 2>It's times time.
<v Speaker 3>The lab, I know, I bring up Caddy Shack to
<v Speaker 3>get all choked up. Kenny Loggins shaped the eighties soundtracks danger.
<v Speaker 2>Zone, Yeah and Loose and I'm all right, it's still
<v Speaker 2>a fantastic song. It is.
<v Speaker 3>It's perfect, and you're setting the tone right, And so
<v Speaker 3>the tone of the whole movie gets set in that
<v Speaker 3>he's in his.
<v Speaker 2>Scene, right, him and the Gopher like it's his music,
<v Speaker 2>the gopher going through the golf course and then popping
<v Speaker 2>out and starting to do a little dance. And it's
<v Speaker 2>that moment that you're free to accept any of the
<v Speaker 2>weirdness that's about to happen in the rest of this movie. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>which again I think is why it is an acquired taste. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So now to the soundtrack of Happy Gilmore. Okay, obviously
<v Speaker 2>we've got a lot of like classic rock.
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of Adam Sandler's deal.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, so you got Tuesday's.
<v Speaker 3>Gone Got Endless Love by Diana Ross and Isla Ritchie
<v Speaker 3>right on the ice rink.
<v Speaker 2>Right. But the guy who was the like the composer,
<v Speaker 2>it's the guy from Devo. It's Mark Mothersbaw. Really yeah.
<v Speaker 2>The guy who wrote Whip It whipp It good is
<v Speaker 2>is the guy who is the composer for you.
<v Speaker 3>You are blowing my mind.
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, there you go. That's why I'm here.
<v Speaker 4>I flag that too. He's also responsible for rug Rats
<v Speaker 4>that's right, wow.
<v Speaker 2>Right, which is a solid soundtrack. I mean they have
<v Speaker 2>a solid soundtrack on that show. I've got kids that
<v Speaker 2>are old enough that they would have watched that show
<v Speaker 2>back then and I can remember it.
<v Speaker 4>Wow.
<v Speaker 3>Since we're talking about soundtrack and sort of sounds, the
<v Speaker 3>gopher noises are stock sounds from the TV show Flipper.
<v Speaker 2>Dolphins Sounds Dolphins, Yeah, them and the Raptors and Corny Dolphins,
<v Speaker 2>Corney Dolphins.
<v Speaker 3>Back to our Jurassic Park episode, the sounds that Chevy
<v Speaker 3>Chase makes while he's putting the no no no, no
<v Speaker 3>no no.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>That is from The Six Million Dollar Man.
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, because he just told me. He's like,
<v Speaker 2>you need a sound effect. Now, Chevy came up with that.
<v Speaker 2>But what Yeah, you're totally right now that you say,
<v Speaker 2>that's clearly what he's doing.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Harold Ramis just said, hey, we need some sort
<v Speaker 3>of spiritual sound when you make these putts. He pulled
<v Speaker 3>that from The Six Million Dollar Man, which I had
<v Speaker 3>no idea, but when I when I saw that, I'm like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>makes sense.
<v Speaker 2>Sure.
<v Speaker 3>Did you know that Scott Columbia, the guy who played
<v Speaker 3>d Nunzio and Cindy Morgan played Laci Drol dated for
<v Speaker 3>two years after this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Do you know who he was dating during this movie?
<v Speaker 2>No became the wife of one of the greatest guitar
<v Speaker 2>players of all.
<v Speaker 3>Time, Valary Burnelli.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so, Dnunzio and Valerie Burtnelli were dating at the
<v Speaker 2>time that she comes to visit him. You know, she's
<v Speaker 2>doing one day at a time, I think at this time,
<v Speaker 2>and she comes down to visit him. They're like, let's
<v Speaker 2>let's sneak out and go to a club, and so
<v Speaker 2>it's him her, the really tall goofy like you don't
<v Speaker 2>see him much, just because you don't see the caddies much.
<v Speaker 2>With the tall goofy guy, right, and some other girl
<v Speaker 2>all go out and the only place they can really
<v Speaker 2>find is this country in Western Bar And this six
<v Speaker 2>foot eight guy decides, you know what, I'm going to
<v Speaker 2>change the radio and so he switches it over to
<v Speaker 2>some sort of disco station. Like the whole place is like,
<v Speaker 2>what just happened? He's like, oh, I just thought we
<v Speaker 2>could do some and they realized they had to get out, right,
<v Speaker 2>they had to leave.
<v Speaker 3>That's cool, Okay. One thing I really have to talk
<v Speaker 3>about before we wrap up the final scene for Caddyshack.
<v Speaker 3>They're going to blow up the golf course, right, And
<v Speaker 3>when I say blow up the golf course, they're really
<v Speaker 3>going to blow up the golf course. They made a
<v Speaker 3>faux green between two fairways. They built it up on
<v Speaker 3>a huge pile of explosives. Ciddy Morgan says she remembers
<v Speaker 3>the day they were pumping in gasoline. So they're like,
<v Speaker 3>we don't really have permission to do this, right. They
<v Speaker 3>had not really discussed this small detail with the members
<v Speaker 3>of the golf course. So John Peters is like, I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna take care of this. So he takes all the
<v Speaker 3>big wigs out to dinner, and while they're out to dinner,
<v Speaker 3>a news story comes on the TV and they show
<v Speaker 3>these massive fireball explosions.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of the pilots called it in as a
<v Speaker 2>plane crash.
<v Speaker 3>They was close to the airports. They got a plane
<v Speaker 3>had crashed, and so they stole away all the guys
<v Speaker 3>that would give them trouble, blew the crap out of
<v Speaker 3>the golf course, and you have that fantasm as finale
<v Speaker 3>where Noonan sinks the Birdie putt to win.
<v Speaker 5>Right, I understand why they cleared the big wigs out.
<v Speaker 5>They did a crime at the crime.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so they had to bring in a composer. Obviously,
<v Speaker 2>Kenny Loggins is good stuff, but he's not going to
<v Speaker 2>fill up a whole movie. So they brought in Johnny Mandel,
<v Speaker 2>who is a well known composer. He did the theme
<v Speaker 2>from mash he did The Sandpiper, and he did Glengarry
<v Speaker 2>Glenn Ross. He had done a lot of really great movies,
<v Speaker 2>but he was excited at most about that scene. That
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about with the explosions, because he was able
<v Speaker 2>to pull the old overture of eighteen twelve Taichowski thing
<v Speaker 2>no no, no, no no no, dun dump Yeah, And
<v Speaker 2>so there you go.
<v Speaker 4>Johnny Mendel Loggins didn't do the classical meeting. Learned some
<v Speaker 4>new every day.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, little tidbit. The scene when the golf ball hits
<v Speaker 3>Judge smells and the balls actually happened to Harold Ramis.
<v Speaker 3>He said he played golf like three times in his
<v Speaker 3>whole life.
<v Speaker 2>Happened to him.
<v Speaker 3>The second time he played golf, well, hite.
<v Speaker 2>Him in the nuts, and the third time and then
<v Speaker 2>he was done.
<v Speaker 3>I'm done. One of the things I thought was funny
<v Speaker 3>is the horn that Al Shrovik's car makes. That sound
<v Speaker 3>play right here right, that's we're in the money. I
<v Speaker 3>never really caught that until I started looking to Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And the only reason I know this is because I
<v Speaker 3>watched Lady.
<v Speaker 1>Tunes as a kid.
<v Speaker 2>Who didn't We're in the money.
<v Speaker 3>All right, Let's get to post production. D you where
<v Speaker 3>you go?
<v Speaker 2>So Caddy Shack did poorly. Turns out that Doug Kenny
<v Speaker 2>was right. Everybody loved airplane and everybody was either lukewarm
<v Speaker 2>critic wise or hated Caddyshack, and it was only because
<v Speaker 2>of VHS that the true worth of caddy Shack can
<v Speaker 2>be realized. On the other hand, Happy Gilmour was instantaneous success.
<v Speaker 2>It ranked number two, like I said, at the box
<v Speaker 2>office on his debut weekend. It made on his debut
<v Speaker 2>weekend eight point five million dollars and ultimately made back
<v Speaker 2>its budget pretty quickly of twelve million, and got a
<v Speaker 2>total of forty one point two million worldwide. So you know,
<v Speaker 2>nearly quadrupling your budget is a pretty good response. And
<v Speaker 2>it was also a critical success. When Caddyshack happened, and
<v Speaker 2>it was this kind of weird stringing of vignettes together
<v Speaker 2>by this weird gofer thing. I don't think that moviegoers
<v Speaker 2>were ready for it. Yet by the time we get
<v Speaker 2>to Adam Sandler, it's still the same thing. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's you've got a storyline. It's a better storyline that
<v Speaker 2>you have going I mean, a more coherent storyline that
<v Speaker 2>you have going through it. But it is now playing
<v Speaker 2>for people who've grown up with Caddyshack and therefore sells better.
<v Speaker 2>They're ready for it because of Caddyshack.
<v Speaker 3>I think yeah, I think so too.
<v Speaker 4>Adam thoughts, Yeah, it's a classic sports movie thing, right,
<v Speaker 4>They don't take that much thought for these mad cap
<v Speaker 4>sports comedies.
<v Speaker 5>Somebody's got to win something. Somebody needs the prize from
<v Speaker 5>what they're winning in order to either fulfill a family
<v Speaker 5>obligation or you know, get something of note for them,
<v Speaker 5>like patch, a relationship back together, et cetera. So it
<v Speaker 5>is following the same pathway when you break it down,
<v Speaker 5>equally lose. Gilmore has more room. The antagonist protagonist relationship
<v Speaker 5>is a little more towards the forefront because in Caddyshack
<v Speaker 5>you've got Smells and Rodnie Dangerfield and also Danny and
<v Speaker 5>also Ty Webb. Like there's a lot of people floating around.
<v Speaker 5>It's sort of it's easier in Gilmour to have the
<v Speaker 5>mono amano. But at the heart of both it is
<v Speaker 5>the same. It's underdog needs to acquire something via sport.
<v Speaker 5>The difference is the familiarity Noonan knows all about golf.
<v Speaker 5>Gilmour is learning, and then there are more ancillary pieces
<v Speaker 5>in Caddy Show.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, real quick thoughts on the antagonists. Our buddy Jeff
<v Speaker 3>Mazuka of the thirty something movie podcast, who's a good
<v Speaker 3>friend of ours? He kind of punted a question to me.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, who is the better bad guy? Is it
<v Speaker 3>Judge Smells?
<v Speaker 6>The most important decision you can make right now is
<v Speaker 6>what do you standing for?
<v Speaker 2>Then?
<v Speaker 1>Goodness?
<v Speaker 2>Well badness? Or is it?
<v Speaker 3>Shooter McGavin, You're gonna beat me the gulf?
<v Speaker 1>Oh you're on, You're in big trouble.
<v Speaker 2>Though Pally Pieces are like you for Breakfast. I think
<v Speaker 2>they are both the features that make this movie. Not
<v Speaker 2>that the movie is empty without them, but it lacks
<v Speaker 2>a lot if they're not in it. I think that
<v Speaker 2>Ted Knight's performance, his delivery of lines that are only
<v Speaker 2>kind of funny making them really funny, and his what
<v Speaker 2>is probably genuine reaction to some of the craziness that's
<v Speaker 2>going on around him in real life coming through in
<v Speaker 2>the screen is the foundation of Caddyshack, and Wyatt is
<v Speaker 2>so good. Whereas with Christopher McDonald, he's created a character
<v Speaker 2>that is so iconic he has adopted it as himself
<v Speaker 2>for the rest of his life. I mean, the character
<v Speaker 2>of Shooter McGavin, despite how despicable he is, is someone
<v Speaker 2>who again makes this movie the movie isn't the same
<v Speaker 2>without Shooter McGavin. And I think that the bad guys,
<v Speaker 2>if you want to call him that, in here are
<v Speaker 2>key And I think it's kind of interesting because with
<v Speaker 2>both of them as big a jerks as they are,
<v Speaker 2>you can kind of see where that type of person
<v Speaker 2>would be coming from. Like you can kind of see
<v Speaker 2>how Judge Males doesn't want this pristine thing that he
<v Speaker 2>loves desecrated, which is why his very first scene is
<v Speaker 2>about what's going to happen to this golf course when
<v Speaker 2>the gophers come in? Right, he doesn't want it messed up.
<v Speaker 2>And Rodney Dangerfield is like the human gopher that's coming
<v Speaker 2>in and ruining what he loves. And it's the same
<v Speaker 2>thing with Shooter McGavin. Right here is is this hockey guy,
<v Speaker 2>this gutter guy, coming in and messing up the pristine
<v Speaker 2>sport of professional golf. Like there's a reason they call
<v Speaker 2>it a golf clap, Right, it's this tiny little tap
<v Speaker 2>and everybody's quiet. You know, there's not cheering, there's not
<v Speaker 2>beach balls. What's wrong with you people? This is golf.
<v Speaker 3>Go back to your shanty.
<v Speaker 2>And so again you can see, even as bad as
<v Speaker 2>they are, you can kind of see, yeah, I could.
<v Speaker 2>You know if somebody came in, like if you went
<v Speaker 2>to my favorite restaurant and you started like having a
<v Speaker 2>food fight, I'd be upset. Right, That's basically what's happening
<v Speaker 2>with both of these guys, and they're just trying to
<v Speaker 2>protect what they love.
<v Speaker 3>You can totally see it when when he's like, you're
<v Speaker 3>never going to be a member at Bushwood and he's
<v Speaker 3>like member, Well, this whole place sucks, and the judge
<v Speaker 3>is like, you can't even say. I mean, he's like
<v Speaker 3>blown away. This is what he totally loves this course,
<v Speaker 3>and you know writing Najer is so irreverent. He's gonna
<v Speaker 3>buy the place.
<v Speaker 2>How'd you like to make fourteen dollars a hard way?
<v Speaker 3>Oh you must have been something before electricity? Adam, Where
<v Speaker 3>are you bad guy? What's your bad guy on this one?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?
<v Speaker 5>I think you nailed it down to the essence. But
<v Speaker 5>I would say that I think Judge Smail's complaint is
<v Speaker 5>more justifiable. Like Rodney Dangerfield is annoying, he is a
<v Speaker 5>nat and he doesn't really belong there. Happy Gilmour is
<v Speaker 5>somebody who ostensibly is bringing more viewership to the tour
<v Speaker 5>and eventually becomes a champion in many respects. So like
<v Speaker 5>that rivalry is more rooted in just like I don't
<v Speaker 5>want to lose. I'm angry and it's sort of like
<v Speaker 5>a baby contest. He's like throwing a fit. I understand
<v Speaker 5>more why Judge Smails is angry at Rodney Dangerfield's intrusion
<v Speaker 5>and presence, Like this is relaxation time. It's not a profession.
<v Speaker 5>It's somebody interrupting a place that you love, where you're
<v Speaker 5>trying to spend your downtime. So in terms of the
<v Speaker 5>only way I would be able to compare them is
<v Speaker 5>by saying that Shooter McGavin's motivation is slightly less justified,
<v Speaker 5>just because it kind of paints him as a sore
<v Speaker 5>loser and a bad competitor.
<v Speaker 3>You know when when Shooter McGavin invades Happy's happy place,
<v Speaker 3>it's so disruptive when he's jumping in, he's gonna make
<v Speaker 3>out with his girl, and you know he's gonna make
<v Speaker 3>out with his grandma, all this stuff. Shooter McGavin, I think,
<v Speaker 3>is a is a better, more hate able bad guy.
<v Speaker 3>Judge Smails is just kind of a stuffy guy. And
<v Speaker 3>the part that cracks me up. You know, Judge Smails
<v Speaker 3>is so everything in his life has been up to
<v Speaker 3>this standard. And then the day that that gopher comes in,
<v Speaker 3>because Al Shirvik is building condos across the way, it's
<v Speaker 3>like the worst day of his life. It's like, do
<v Speaker 3>you know what gophers could do to a golf course?
<v Speaker 3>And then right it proceeds to be like the worst
<v Speaker 3>three weeks of his life.
<v Speaker 2>Destroys his balls, because destroys his boat and destroys his
<v Speaker 2>golf course in a much bigger way than the gopher
<v Speaker 2>ever could have.
<v Speaker 3>So there you go, Jeff, that's our take. Yeah, all right,
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna put a.
<v Speaker 6>Bow on this.
<v Speaker 2>A time for final judgment.
<v Speaker 3>Let's go final judgment.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, who's gonna go first? I want you go first?
<v Speaker 2>All right, yeah, decision time.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, thank you. The floor is mine. If you're like
<v Speaker 4>a lot of pressure, A lot of pressure here.
<v Speaker 5>I grew up as I, as I continue to say,
<v Speaker 5>sort of with this joke box mentality and with this
<v Speaker 5>era of Saturday Night Live. So I will say that
<v Speaker 5>in terms of laugh out loud funniness for me and comfort,
<v Speaker 5>I side with happy Gilmore. I think it's funnier beginning
<v Speaker 5>to end, and I think it's funnier on a first watch.
<v Speaker 5>That is not to say that I do not have
<v Speaker 5>appreciation for what Caddyshack is. And you guys have demonstrated
<v Speaker 5>over and over again how quotable it is. We could
<v Speaker 5>do another hour, like, we could get to the whole
<v Speaker 5>length of the movie.
<v Speaker 4>I think. I let you guys go, I think.
<v Speaker 5>But it is an acquired taste, I guess is right.
<v Speaker 5>But it's sort of like Caddyshack is the predecessor and
<v Speaker 5>the comfort food, and then Happy Gilmore sort of is
<v Speaker 5>the evolutionary version for me, So I'm gonna I'm gonna
<v Speaker 5>go with Happy all.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Okay for me, this is the biggest mismatch that
<v Speaker 3>we have done so far in all of our episodes. Wow,
<v Speaker 3>it is Caddyshack by a hurricane.
<v Speaker 2>There was actually a hurricane.
<v Speaker 3>I know it disrupted the filming.
<v Speaker 2>Nice thank you.
<v Speaker 3>When you have Rodney Dangerfield, Ted Night, Chevy, Chase, Bill
<v Speaker 3>Murray at their peak comedy, just the enseng on how
<v Speaker 3>it works. It is acquired taste, and it isn't as
<v Speaker 3>slapstick and silly funny, and you don't maybe laugh as much,
<v Speaker 3>but For me, it's a much more fun ride. It
<v Speaker 3>is comfort food. I could watch this improv groundskeeper about
<v Speaker 3>to win the Master's scene over and over. The Gopher
<v Speaker 3>has been comfort food for me since I was seven
<v Speaker 3>years old. Everything about Caddyshack for me, it is a landslide. Now,
<v Speaker 3>Happy Gilmore is funny. I did enjoy it. Adam Sandler
<v Speaker 3>cracks me up, But it's Caddyshack landslide.
<v Speaker 6>Really, the most quotable movie of all time, the most
<v Speaker 6>uneven odds of all of the movies that we've done, yes,
<v Speaker 6>including Brave Heart and Glad He Yes, oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 2>Yes. Okay, so it's up to me. I'm the tie
<v Speaker 2>breaker here.
<v Speaker 3>I think.
<v Speaker 2>So.
<v Speaker 5>I'm glad I showed up for this one in on
<v Speaker 5>the wrong side of history, voting for Walter Mondale over here.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I cannot. I'm still kind of baffled that
<v Speaker 2>you would say it was a gigantic plan slide. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I can understand you picking Caddyshack, but to say that
<v Speaker 2>it's a landslide is kind of unbelievable to me. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So I have very similar ideas on both of these. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>Caddyshack is comfort food. Yes, Caddyshack is more quotable. And
<v Speaker 2>here's an interesting thing. We'll probably stand the test of
<v Speaker 2>time as yours go on longer than Happy Gilmour.
<v Speaker 1>It will.
<v Speaker 2>But right now, I'm if I'm walking out the door
<v Speaker 2>and I'm grabbing a DVD or a Blu ray, or
<v Speaker 2>I'm finding something on a streaming network that I'm going
<v Speaker 2>to sit down and watch, it's going to be Happy Gilmore.
<v Speaker 2>Without question. It's going to be Happy Gilmore because it's
<v Speaker 2>a more coherent storyline. As we go through, you have
<v Speaker 2>more stakes involved with all of the things that are
<v Speaker 2>going on, and it's funnier. It is a funnier movie,
<v Speaker 2>more laugh out loud moments, and more even intellectual humor
<v Speaker 2>throughout the movie than Caddyshak is. Now, if I'm going
<v Speaker 2>to have a movie that's I'm gonna have on while
<v Speaker 2>I'm working in the house and I don't have to
<v Speaker 2>watch the screen, I'd pick Caddyshack over Happy Gilmour because
<v Speaker 2>of all of those lines that I have to attribute
<v Speaker 2>to nostalgia, like they've become iconic because of what we've
<v Speaker 2>made them. What they were when we were kids, when
<v Speaker 2>we were seven watching with our dad or our brother whoever.
<v Speaker 2>They have those lines that stick with us. But to
<v Speaker 2>sit down and watch with a critical eye, which is
<v Speaker 2>what I did with both of these movies before we
<v Speaker 2>had this podcast. I got to say, Caddyshack really isn't
<v Speaker 2>as good as it has become for a first time
<v Speaker 2>watch or for watching with your kids or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>So I got to say, happy Bill Moore wentz today. Wow.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, Well, we want to hear from you guys. Everybody
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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, let me just say this, I
<v Speaker 2>didn't get to say this. One of the greatest decisions
<v Speaker 2>of Caddyshack was to cut as much of that Irish
<v Speaker 2>accent girl as they possibly could. I could not figure
<v Speaker 2>out why she was in the movie at all. I
<v Speaker 2>just thought, did she have to You can take her
<v Speaker 2>out and you have a much better movie without her.
<v Speaker 2>And she had dirty feet when they're in bed together
<v Speaker 2>and she's laying down it's supposed to be the sexy scene,
<v Speaker 2>and her feet are dirty. And then she's dancing on
<v Speaker 2>the course in a nightgown in the middle of the
<v Speaker 2>night because she's not pregnant. This is the weirdest part
<v Speaker 2>of all of that. They were definitely on their cocaine
<v Speaker 2>high they decided to leave any of her bits in.
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<v Speaker 3>Adam, thank you so much for joining us today. We
<v Speaker 3>had a blast hanging out with you. Tell us where
<v Speaker 3>we can find you.
<v Speaker 5>Thanks for having me, guys, Happy to do it, Happy
<v Speaker 5>to be the deciding vote, I guess ultimately that was scary.
<v Speaker 5>For a while, I thought I could get lambasted and
<v Speaker 5>thrown off the show forever.
<v Speaker 4>But great.
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<v Speaker 4>If you want to hear my misery.
<v Speaker 5>You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Adam Winrib.
<v Speaker 5>I guess I was early to Twitter and I just
<v Speaker 5>got my name. I've never had numbers in a screen
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<v Speaker 5>that streak going.
<v Speaker 4>But I would love to interact with you all. Please
<v Speaker 4>come find me awesome.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for joining us, Adam. We really
<v Speaker 2>appreciate you being here.
<v Speaker 4>Man, Total pleasure. This was a great battle.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, hey everybody, we're all gonna get late.