The Casting Of Frank Stone Cover Story, Nobody Wants To Die, And Arranger | GI Show

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<v Speaker 1>I am joined by Kyle Hillier. Hello. Hello, it's cover
<v Speaker 1>reveal Week. It's exciting, it sure is. And joining us
<v Speaker 1>for this monumental week is Charles Hart. How you doing.
<v Speaker 2>Hello, I'm good. I'm in a new house. It's Charles
<v Speaker 2>House reveal week too.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we really sat those up perfectly. How is
<v Speaker 1>the new house?
<v Speaker 3>It's cool.
<v Speaker 2>I got my I'll douce like, can I just move?
<v Speaker 2>I got my gamer shelf set up here. We got
<v Speaker 2>most of my different games. Kyle and I did a
<v Speaker 2>stream for Luigi's Mansion two and Nintendo sent us some stuff,
<v Speaker 2>including a Luigi hat, which I have put on this
<v Speaker 2>big stuffed elephant I have here. I've also got my cat.
<v Speaker 3>What's the cat's name?
<v Speaker 2>This is Kit? And then down here we have Lando.
<v Speaker 1>Oh. I thought you were gonna say Cat.
<v Speaker 2>It is Kit the cat. They're both they're not they're not.
<v Speaker 2>They're kind of both named after Star Wars characters. Orlando
<v Speaker 2>is definitely named after Star Wars character. When we got
<v Speaker 2>the second cat, I was like, I thought Kit the
<v Speaker 2>Cat was a cute thing. But there's also a Jedi
<v Speaker 2>named kit Fisto. Oh so it happens. It happens to
<v Speaker 2>line up.
<v Speaker 1>There. Are you a particularly big kit Fisto fan where
<v Speaker 1>you if someone calls you out, like, oh, man, tell
<v Speaker 1>me your favorite kit Pisto moment.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I actually did like kit Fisto as a
<v Speaker 2>kid because I just like, I have my favorite color
<v Speaker 2>is green, and he's got green skin and a green lightsaber.
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I can't get better than this man.
<v Speaker 3>And he smiles real big an episode two, right, he goes, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>the good.
<v Speaker 2>Kit Fisto moment is in the like two D animated
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars Clone Wars special and he has a whole
<v Speaker 2>like underwater fight sequence. That's really cool. That was my
<v Speaker 2>like kit Fisto favorite moment.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but chriss Hare is Yoda. You're really big on Yoda,
<v Speaker 1>who's also green and has a green one is green.
<v Speaker 3>That's the good point.
<v Speaker 2>I don't identify with the Yoda because he's so small
<v Speaker 2>and I'm very tall, so it's we're not we're not
<v Speaker 2>on the same page.
<v Speaker 3>On Luke's shoulder and he's a backpack.
<v Speaker 2>Well, then it's like I feel like Luke because I'd
<v Speaker 2>be carrying people like a backpack.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and who wants to feel like Luke Skywalker?
<v Speaker 2>Right?
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<v Speaker 1>Former Magazine, our next cover story has been announced and
<v Speaker 1>it is the casting of Frank Stone. A spooky cover
<v Speaker 1>this month and it's booky also, I believe, and Kyle
<v Speaker 1>you might know better because you've been here longer. Is
<v Speaker 1>this the first super Massive game that has.
<v Speaker 2>Ever been on the cover.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm I'm almost certain it is, because I remember
<v Speaker 3>Matt sort of presenting it and being like, Hey, what
<v Speaker 3>do you think of this? And my main reaction was like,
<v Speaker 3>I like the idea of getting a super Massive game
<v Speaker 3>on the cover. I think that would be really cool.
<v Speaker 3>So I yeah, because until Don was not on the cover,
<v Speaker 3>the corry was not on the cover. Yeah, uh first
<v Speaker 3>super Massive game? Yeah yeah, And this is a cover
<v Speaker 3>story that I wrote. I flew up to Montreal, Quebec,
<v Speaker 3>Canada with Alex Van Aiken and we visited Behavior Interactive,
<v Speaker 3>who is the creator, developer, publisher of Dead by Daylight,
<v Speaker 3>of which this game is based on If you're not
<v Speaker 3>familiar with the casting of Frank Stone. It is a
<v Speaker 3>collaboration between Behavior and Supermassive, where it is a single player, cinematic,
<v Speaker 3>choice driven adventure game, very much in the vein of
<v Speaker 3>Until Dawn or The Quarry, but it is set within
<v Speaker 3>the Dead by Daylight universe. However, it's telling an original story.
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't feature any of the existing killers from Dead
<v Speaker 3>by Daylight and that it features a news murderer named
<v Speaker 3>Frank Stone. It takes place in the small kind of
<v Speaker 3>Pacific northwestern town of Cider Hills and the summer of
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty and it stars Allen Wake hadn't gotten there
<v Speaker 3>yet right like that was like he wasn't getting shown
<v Speaker 3>up yet.
<v Speaker 1>No, not yet. I guess he would have been alive though.
<v Speaker 3>He was still in New York.
<v Speaker 1>I think he was writing books at that point, right
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty. Would he'd be like a kid?
<v Speaker 3>No, he was like a published author in like two thousand.
<v Speaker 3>How okay, you look up Alan Wake's.
<v Speaker 2>Age one was twenty ten.
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, it takes place in the year it
<v Speaker 1>came out, and he was already like in his thirties
<v Speaker 1>at least, all right, it was probably like, I don't,
<v Speaker 1>let's see if we're getting way off track here. He
<v Speaker 1>was born in nineteen seventy seven, so I guess, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you're right.
<v Speaker 3>You guys are right. I'm wrong. In the eighties and
<v Speaker 3>the early eighties he had been very young.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean, maybe he's just a good writer,
<v Speaker 1>maybe he's writing just little short stories.
<v Speaker 3>But he's older than me. I forget that. Like characters
<v Speaker 3>in fiction are like my age. Now. You know, I
<v Speaker 3>spent so much of my life being like, ah, way
<v Speaker 3>older than me. But there we're catching up. We're about
<v Speaker 3>on the same. I'm like older than Han Solo at
<v Speaker 3>this point, you know, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>I don't say that. But anyways, back to frank Stone.
<v Speaker 1>We visited the studio. I got to interview lead developers
<v Speaker 1>from both studios A Behavior and super Massive to learn
<v Speaker 1>about how to collaboration came to be, how it was
<v Speaker 1>like working with each other because they, you know, both
<v Speaker 1>studios make two very different styles of games. You know,
<v Speaker 1>Dead by Daylight being an asymmetrical multiplayer game until Dawn,
<v Speaker 1>and at least super Massive horror games. You know, they've
<v Speaker 1>done other things besides horror, but you know that's probably
<v Speaker 1>what they're best known for at this point, you know,
<v Speaker 1>very cinematic, just choice driven stuff, like they've gotten more
<v Speaker 1>and more sort of like I guess, I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if interactive is the word I want to use, but
<v Speaker 1>like maybe a little less on rails with each release
<v Speaker 1>since the until Dawn came out. And so it was
<v Speaker 1>fun just hearing them like just sit down and sort
<v Speaker 1>of like break down like who contacted who? Like whose
<v Speaker 1>idea was it? Because like as and it was fun
<v Speaker 1>because Alex and I sort of represented two sides of
<v Speaker 1>the same coin. Where Alex is like a huge Dead
<v Speaker 1>by Daylight fan, like he plays it regularly, he knows
<v Speaker 1>all about that unif but is not really played super
<v Speaker 1>massive games because he's not a big horror guy, as
<v Speaker 1>he's set in his own words, he's a big, big
<v Speaker 1>chicken when it comes to horror, Whereas I generally enjoy
<v Speaker 1>super massive stuff and I am a big war guy.
<v Speaker 1>But until this trip, I had only played Dead by
<v Speaker 1>Laylight pre release. I think it was the first E
<v Speaker 1>three where it was demoed in twenty sixteen, Like I
<v Speaker 1>remember walking in and it was like it had a
<v Speaker 1>big booth with a big line and I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>what's this thing? I guess I'll get in line for it.
<v Speaker 1>But other than that, I the first time I ever
<v Speaker 1>really played it was in the week or two leading
<v Speaker 1>up to this cover trip, so we were just like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>we both kind of like this is made for both
<v Speaker 1>of us if you fused us into one person basically.
<v Speaker 1>But I got to play a prologue chapter of the game,
<v Speaker 1>which is set it's like a pretty much a prequel
<v Speaker 1>to the game, because the game set in nineteen eighty,
<v Speaker 1>but the prologue I played was in nineteen sixty three.
<v Speaker 1>If you fall any of the gameplay trailers that have
<v Speaker 1>come out, you do see glimpses of that section where
<v Speaker 1>you play as the police officer and you're investigating the
<v Speaker 1>game's primary setting, which is the cider Mill steel Mill,
<v Speaker 1>which is this like, at least in nineteen eighty, is
<v Speaker 1>this abandoned steel mill that the four teenagers decide to
<v Speaker 1>film their own horror movie in because it has ties
<v Speaker 1>to Frank Stone, who is this infamous serial killer that
<v Speaker 1>went on some kind of like rampage back in the day.
<v Speaker 1>And you know this town, which is like a small,
<v Speaker 1>unassuming point town, you know, but it's also like scarred
<v Speaker 1>by this this dark history of frank Stone. So I
<v Speaker 1>got to play the sixty sequence when the steel Mill
<v Speaker 1>is still operational and you're sort of looking for this
<v Speaker 1>missing child and you're you're doing some of the like
<v Speaker 1>the supermassive stuff. I will say the thing that stood
<v Speaker 1>out to me the most was and this is something
<v Speaker 1>that the creative director Steve Goss was going on about about, like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you see super Massive, you probably already
<v Speaker 1>have like a pretty good idea of what to expect
<v Speaker 1>from their horror games, and that working with Behavior for
<v Speaker 1>the Casting of Frankstone sort of represent an opportunity to
<v Speaker 1>break a lot of their own rules because they wanted
<v Speaker 1>to combine the more overt Dead by Daylight mechanics and
<v Speaker 1>sort of motifs into this game. Where he said, it's
<v Speaker 1>not the Casting of Frankstone isn't a super Massive game
<v Speaker 1>and as you know it, but it's also not a
<v Speaker 1>Dead by Daylight game. Like they're describing me as something
<v Speaker 1>like its own thing. And it was hard to see
<v Speaker 1>that just because in the demo that I played, because
<v Speaker 1>it's so early, I didn't get to see a lot
<v Speaker 1>of the bigger changes that they told us about but
<v Speaker 1>you could see like the Dead by Daylight flourishes or
<v Speaker 1>either of you. Kyle, I think you are, But Charles,
<v Speaker 1>are you a Dead by Daylight guy at all?
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a huge horror person or a huge multiplayer
<v Speaker 2>games person, So both of these like developers are in
<v Speaker 2>blind spots for me. Okay, But for some reason, this
<v Speaker 2>is more. This is the most interesting super Massive game
<v Speaker 2>to me, for whatever reason, I think because it's like
<v Speaker 2>I am interested in the fact that it's connected to
<v Speaker 2>a larger universe, if that makes any sense, Like I
<v Speaker 2>like the idea of it existing in a pocket of
<v Speaker 2>a larger thing. So I'm interested. I'm probably gonna play
<v Speaker 2>this game.
<v Speaker 3>I guess it's my Yeah, the idea that they're branching
<v Speaker 3>off from something that is like really like more defined
<v Speaker 3>than you think if you're outside of the Dead by
<v Speaker 3>Daylight world, Like that was something that I took away
<v Speaker 3>from reading your cover story and the big feature that
<v Speaker 3>Alex put together as well of just like learning that
<v Speaker 3>the fiction of Dead by Daylight is actually like pretty
<v Speaker 3>extensive and detailed and like specific, and like this is
<v Speaker 3>like a casting frank Stone is like a great like
<v Speaker 3>foot in the door for like to understand what's going
<v Speaker 3>on there and it sounds cool.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they mentioned that they are uh. Dave Richard, who
<v Speaker 1>was one of the lead and one of the principal
<v Speaker 1>creators of Dead by Daylight on the behavior side, talked
<v Speaker 1>about this is something that they've been wanting to do
<v Speaker 1>for a long time because it was a lot of
<v Speaker 1>the fan base I've been saying they wanted something like
<v Speaker 1>this for He dropped an interesting little factoid where he's like,
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like a sizeable portion of Dead by
<v Speaker 1>Day Dead by Daylight fan base doesn't even play the games.
<v Speaker 1>They just like absorbing the lore from like streamers or
<v Speaker 1>content creators that play it because either they're afraid of
<v Speaker 1>four games or more commonly, they're just not multiplayer people.
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's like, Oh, I like the the mythos
<v Speaker 1>of this world, and I like the vibe of it,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to play with people. It's just
<v Speaker 1>not my thing. Yeah, And I'm kind of that too
<v Speaker 1>to an extent. So this was like an opportunity to
<v Speaker 1>find a way, like you said, Kyle, to get them
<v Speaker 1>into door a different way and also present this lore
<v Speaker 1>but from a way that it's not presented it Dead
<v Speaker 1>by Daylight so like, and Dead by Daylight is a
<v Speaker 1>very very quick primer for what the lore of Dead
<v Speaker 1>by Daylight is. But it's basically revolves around this weird
<v Speaker 1>like living like universe slash entity thing called it what's
<v Speaker 1>called the Entity, and it basically just goes around like
<v Speaker 1>it can traveled through the cosmos, through time and space,
<v Speaker 1>which also justifies why there's so many different media properties
<v Speaker 1>and Dead by day likes. You could just go into
<v Speaker 1>different timelines and it just goes into worlds and like
<v Speaker 1>feeds on like powerful emotions, and then it just goes
<v Speaker 1>around just like basically invading worlds and either creating killers
<v Speaker 1>by driving them insane or just finding people that are
<v Speaker 1>already evil and then just like plucking them. And then
<v Speaker 1>also survivors are found because they wander into these areas
<v Speaker 1>that the entity is touched and they get warped into
<v Speaker 1>the entity itself, and so then the entity just for
<v Speaker 1>some reason, yeah, we he went down the wrong hallway
<v Speaker 1>and got sucked into this world. And then but the
<v Speaker 1>enity just puts them in these endless trials of killers
<v Speaker 1>trying to hunt down and kill survivors and survivors trying
<v Speaker 1>to flee because it just generates powerful emotions of like,
<v Speaker 1>if you're a killer, you're just like angry and you know,
<v Speaker 1>full of bloodlust. And if you're to survive it, you're
<v Speaker 1>terrified and maybe even hopeful because you think you're gonna
<v Speaker 1>get out because you know you only have to turn
<v Speaker 1>on one more generator. And like the antity doesn't care
<v Speaker 1>who wins. It's like I get what I want either way,
<v Speaker 1>but you're pretty much just trapped in this loop. But
<v Speaker 1>because that by daylight takes place inside the entity, the
<v Speaker 1>casting of Frankstone is an opportunity to kind of show
<v Speaker 1>from the outside, this is what it looks like when
<v Speaker 1>the entity invades a world. In this case, yeah, like
<v Speaker 1>this is what it looks like when it had it's
<v Speaker 1>starting to seep into a world and find like I
<v Speaker 1>guess a killer in Frankstone, whether or not it creates
<v Speaker 1>Frankstone or Frankstone was already evil, and then the entity
<v Speaker 1>is like, Okay, I'm I want some of that. It's unclear,
<v Speaker 1>but like give me some of that. But yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 1>with you guys. Like that's an interesting premise. Again, for
<v Speaker 1>someone that's not a big DVD person, it's like that's
<v Speaker 1>a cool. This is a cool vehicle to sort of
<v Speaker 1>like get familiar with the mythos of that series in
<v Speaker 1>terms of like the pure gameplay all like the skeleton
<v Speaker 1>of a super Massive game is the same of like
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're you're making these decisions that can that
<v Speaker 1>change the narrative as well as can either lead to
<v Speaker 1>a character's death, like a permanent death or not, which
<v Speaker 1>of course steers the story in a variety of different directions.
<v Speaker 1>One interesting note about the death though, is that because
<v Speaker 1>like in a traditional super Massive game, when someone dies,
<v Speaker 1>they're just dead. They're out of the story, They're gone,
<v Speaker 1>but dead by daylight. Death isn't really straightforward like that
<v Speaker 1>because of the nature of how the entity works, Like
<v Speaker 1>if you die in that game, the entity just wipes
<v Speaker 1>your memory and then places you back at the start
<v Speaker 1>of a trial, and then you know, that's sort of
<v Speaker 1>the narrative conceit for why you're doing all these multiplayer games,
<v Speaker 1>and the developers tea that that will be addressed in
<v Speaker 1>some way in this game, which makes me wonder what
<v Speaker 1>happens when a character dies in this game, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, and they come back, and it would they
<v Speaker 1>have their memory wipe like if your party members just
<v Speaker 1>comes just gets off then comes back and is like,
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what's going on here, Like is
<v Speaker 1>that something that sounds like something really weird? They sound
<v Speaker 1>like they're going to play around with. But even just
<v Speaker 1>like some of the stuff that I saw on my
<v Speaker 1>demo was even replacing the sort of like supermassive style
<v Speaker 1>button prompts where you know, the basic example'd be like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>you walk to a room and it's suddenly a chandelier
<v Speaker 1>is going to fall in your head and you got
<v Speaker 1>to push X or it's going to crash and kill
<v Speaker 1>or injure you. And now a lot of those button
<v Speaker 1>prompts have been replaced by the skill checks that Dead
<v Speaker 1>by Daylight has, So if you're playing Dead by Daylight,
<v Speaker 1>like if your survivor, the goal is to like turn
<v Speaker 1>on these generators to escape the levels, and it's just
<v Speaker 1>this like basically stop the meter kind of minigame where
<v Speaker 1>you're just like it's like this meter spinning. You have
<v Speaker 1>to try to stop, and it's really tense because if
<v Speaker 1>you mess up, it makes a lot of noise to
<v Speaker 1>where the killer in the map can pinpoint where you are.
<v Speaker 1>So like that minigame has been replicated exactly into this,
<v Speaker 1>and it adds more nuanced to sort of like the
<v Speaker 1>different outcomes of like a QT sequence where if you
<v Speaker 1>if you nail it, you'll get like the best outcome,
<v Speaker 1>which is relative of course, but if you like slip
<v Speaker 1>outside of that, then it can lead to like maybe
<v Speaker 1>one or two things going wrong. Like there was one
<v Speaker 1>point where, without getting too specific, I was squeezing through
<v Speaker 1>like a like a shimmy thing, and like a skill
<v Speaker 1>check appeared that I missed, and then it wound up
<v Speaker 1>with this character who was carrying a flashlight like getting
<v Speaker 1>his hand cut, breaking the flashlight so I couldn't use
<v Speaker 1>it anymore, and then he had this like permanent hand
<v Speaker 1>injury for the rest of the demo that effected a
<v Speaker 1>fight that came later. Like it was like everything I
<v Speaker 1>could have gone wrong went wrong with him, Whereas when
<v Speaker 1>I succeeded another playthrough of it, you know, he got
<v Speaker 1>to keep the flashlight, which changed the fight dramatically later on.
<v Speaker 1>So it's like supermassive. Yeah, yeah, uh. There's even little flourishes,
<v Speaker 1>like there's like you hear like dead by Daylight sound effects.
<v Speaker 1>There's collectibles that are dead by Daylight theme that I
<v Speaker 1>can't talk about, but there's even little things like the
<v Speaker 1>palettes are in the game, Like if you play Dead
<v Speaker 1>by daylight, you're there are paletts that you can drop
<v Speaker 1>to slow the killers if you're being chased, and like
<v Speaker 1>there's a secret part where you have to move a
<v Speaker 1>palette from in front of a door, which is like
<v Speaker 1>just a small little knot of like, ah, I see
<v Speaker 1>what you did there. So those are some of the
<v Speaker 1>little ones. But the bigger, more substantial mechanic is the
<v Speaker 1>filmmaking aspect, because the primary game, like I mentioned, is
<v Speaker 1>you making a movie with this group of teenagers, and
<v Speaker 1>you've got a super eight camera, like an eight millimeter
<v Speaker 1>camera that you're using this for and that's like the
<v Speaker 1>central to everything, not even just like the gameplay, but
<v Speaker 1>to the story because it is an active like device
<v Speaker 1>that you can use, Like you can pull out the
<v Speaker 1>camera at any time during the game and start filming things,
<v Speaker 1>and there's higns where you're gonna have to film. Apparently
<v Speaker 1>the camera is magic in some way, uh, because it's
<v Speaker 1>it's just got some arcane energy, but it can also
<v Speaker 1>do things like there's an invisible the only example they
<v Speaker 1>gave and they were also being very cagey about discussing
<v Speaker 1>the camera by the way, so there's some big things
<v Speaker 1>in store for this, But one that they did divulge
<v Speaker 1>is like, oh, there's an invisible enemy that you can
<v Speaker 1>only see with the camera. Uh, so you gonna have
<v Speaker 1>to pull it up and try to, uh to pinpoint
<v Speaker 1>it down. But it's sort of and there also might
<v Speaker 1>be more than one camera was another thing they sort
<v Speaker 1>of teased, like oh, but they did say that its
<v Speaker 1>capabilities would evolve throughout the adventure too, so it seems
<v Speaker 1>like a it's for again, supermassing games tend to be
<v Speaker 1>pretty like like I would say, hands off, but like
<v Speaker 1>you know, like like the gameplay is sort of like
<v Speaker 1>it takes a bit of a backseat to like the
<v Speaker 1>storytelling and the presentation. Usually like they've gotten, like I said,
<v Speaker 1>they've gotten more sort of like engaging with like each
<v Speaker 1>of the like the Dark Pictures and Quarry releases, but
<v Speaker 1>this one seems to be the most active. Where again
<v Speaker 1>they Steve Goss that had created director, talked about they
<v Speaker 1>wanted to make it more interactive and make it more systemic,
<v Speaker 1>because that's what Dead by Daylight is, which is the
<v Speaker 1>hard opposite of what their games usually are, but they're like, okay, like,
<v Speaker 1>how do we make this a little bit more like
<v Speaker 1>less guided than our traditional releases? And they talked about
<v Speaker 1>like the AI has like non scripted behavior now, which
<v Speaker 1>is completely against what their games have usually been, among
<v Speaker 1>some other sort of flourishes that they didn't want to
<v Speaker 1>talk about. But again, it's it's it seems cool, like
<v Speaker 1>I only play like like ultimately a small slice of
<v Speaker 1>the game, but it looked great. Their games always look great.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, this has made an Unreal Engined five
<v Speaker 1>and like.
<v Speaker 3>Is that their first Unreal Engine five game? Do you know?
<v Speaker 1>Or I don't know? Was the Quarry Unreal five?
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure.
<v Speaker 1>I want to be surprised if that was the first one.
<v Speaker 3>But was such a weird trajectory because it was going
<v Speaker 3>to be like a Steady exclusive for a while. Then
<v Speaker 3>it's like, who knows what they built that game on.
<v Speaker 1>It was, yeah, remember when we were all going to
<v Speaker 1>be Steady exclusives at some point.
<v Speaker 3>I still Stadia controller.
<v Speaker 1>I was a founder I was there in Vane one
<v Speaker 1>and I got the Founder controller. So yeah, I actually
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but I mean, this game looks awesome and
<v Speaker 1>Unreal five.
<v Speaker 3>Corey was made an Unreal Engine four, so bam Unreally
<v Speaker 3>five their first Unreligion five game. We can confirm thanks
<v Speaker 3>to Wikipedia hopefully Wikipedia.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like I said, looks great, seems to play great.
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to see more of the the intersections between
<v Speaker 1>the two sort of like Dead Dead by Daylight and
<v Speaker 1>the traditional supermassive gameplay style.
<v Speaker 3>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>And also again the story stuff. I want to see
<v Speaker 1>like a narrative single player version of this this world.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like you guys, like I'm psyched for it
<v Speaker 1>as I want to play some more of it. I
<v Speaker 1>liked what I saw of.
<v Speaker 3>It so far, it seems.
<v Speaker 2>Is the title the casting of Frankstone, is that in
<v Speaker 2>reference to like casting in a film sense.
<v Speaker 1>That's a good I you know, I never even thought
<v Speaker 1>of that, because I thought of casting as like iron
<v Speaker 1>like works, like like smithing, because he's got like the metal,
<v Speaker 1>like the welder mask that he wears, and like the
<v Speaker 1>demo that I played. The prologue, there is a point
<v Speaker 1>where you go to like a cause it's it's set
<v Speaker 1>in a steel mill, so you're in a steel mill.
<v Speaker 1>So honestly I thought of that. But honestly it might
<v Speaker 1>be a double entendre that I did not think of.
<v Speaker 2>My first My first thought was spells, and I was like,
<v Speaker 2>it can't, Charles, it can't always be spelled. Sometimes other
<v Speaker 2>fantasy exists.
<v Speaker 1>You have a magic camera, it's true.
<v Speaker 2>Man. Maybe it's all three yeah, oh man. Maybe it's Fishing's.
<v Speaker 1>Fishing with Frankstone.
<v Speaker 3>That'll be there, like a dating game style spinoff of Years, right,
<v Speaker 3>or the April Fools game that they do is a
<v Speaker 3>Frank Stone fishing game.
<v Speaker 1>Did you guys ever play that a hook on?
<v Speaker 3>No? I never did.
<v Speaker 1>I thought about going back to it because we did
<v Speaker 1>talk about that game, and honestly, that game has a
<v Speaker 1>little bit of significance to this because that was the
<v Speaker 1>first time behavior who's like understandably very precious about Dead
<v Speaker 1>by Daylights there it's their baby and it's a giant
<v Speaker 1>success for them. But like we talked about like just
<v Speaker 1>the process of them giving that up to Syop because
<v Speaker 1>that team did the KFC dating game before that, and
<v Speaker 1>how that was like tough at first but then easy
<v Speaker 1>because it's comedy where it's like okay, like it can
<v Speaker 1>be silly, you have you can do whatever you want
<v Speaker 1>because it's not Cannon, but they're like, this is different
<v Speaker 1>because it's a more serious thing Frankstone, I mean, and
<v Speaker 1>that it is canonical. I don't know. There's a there's
<v Speaker 1>a there's a whole little like section of the cover
<v Speaker 1>story where I talked about just the the interesting relationship
<v Speaker 1>between hooked on you in this game in terms of
<v Speaker 1>like behaviors, level of comfort with letting someone else take
<v Speaker 1>the reins that are biggest franchise. But yeah, the digital
<v Speaker 1>issue is out now you can read it. Physical issues
<v Speaker 1>will be out in mailboxes in the coming weeks, and
<v Speaker 1>also we've got some online stories coming up as well
<v Speaker 1>as videos. By the time you're listening to this, there
<v Speaker 1>should be or there is a big feature that I
<v Speaker 1>wrote for breaking down the camera mechanic, and then we
<v Speaker 1>should have an m gt up I believe too, with
<v Speaker 1>some exclusive kind of a gameplay footage that we got.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, keep an eye out on Gamingforma dot com
<v Speaker 1>as well as our YouTube channel for more frank Stone
<v Speaker 1>stuff over the coming months. But shout out to Behavior
<v Speaker 1>and super Massive. They're very accommodating during our trip and
<v Speaker 1>like I said, excited to see the game in full
<v Speaker 1>when it comes September third which they recently announced the
<v Speaker 1>release stay.
<v Speaker 3>For Yeah, not too far off. It's like a month
<v Speaker 3>or so. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, jumping to our next game, Charles, you have been
<v Speaker 1>playing a game that I've had my eye on for
<v Speaker 1>a long time that I'm excited to hear some impressions
<v Speaker 1>of which is a Ranger Colon A role puzzling adventure.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, or as I call it, Arranger Colon.
<v Speaker 3>I hardly know.
<v Speaker 2>Her game game fun. I haven't played that much of it.
<v Speaker 2>I've played maybe, I haven't like left the starting area.
<v Speaker 2>I basically just picked it up before we started recording,
<v Speaker 2>just like I talked about a little bit. If you're
<v Speaker 2>unfamiliar with this game, it is imagine like a grid
<v Speaker 2>based Zelda like game. But the difference is that whenever
<v Speaker 2>the main character, Gemma I think is her name, whenever
<v Speaker 2>she moves, the entire line of the grid moves with her.
<v Speaker 2>And this is something that I'm realizing now playing game.
<v Speaker 2>This is unique to Gemma. This has not happen when
<v Speaker 2>other people do it. And so she's grown up in
<v Speaker 2>this town and everyone's like, yeah, I mean I was
<v Speaker 2>doing fine, and then you had to like scoot the
<v Speaker 2>whole line of grids over and you knocked my ladder
<v Speaker 2>over and you broke the thing I was working on.
<v Speaker 1>Don't people liked freak out at this god likeability that? Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>oh they don't like it at all, which fair I guess.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, So it's it's a really interesting, uh like
<v Speaker 2>central mechanic to base the game around. But it's it's
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where it's like a very simple base,
<v Speaker 2>and then as soon as you feel like you get
<v Speaker 2>a grasp on what the mechanic is, they introduce something
<v Speaker 2>new to like twist on it, or they introduce like
<v Speaker 2>a new thing for a specific area. So one of
<v Speaker 2>the things is there are like enemies in this game,
<v Speaker 2>but you don't have a weapon on you. You have
<v Speaker 2>to use your like slide puzzle skills to like just
<v Speaker 2>there's a bunch of loose swords on the ground. You
<v Speaker 2>got to slide the swords into the enemy and then
<v Speaker 2>they'll like pop and explode and that'll like clear up
<v Speaker 2>new paths for you to go. You can also do
<v Speaker 2>that thing like in I think it's you can do
<v Speaker 2>it in pac Man, where you go off on one
<v Speaker 2>side of the screen, you come in back on the
<v Speaker 2>other side. Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>The Mario Brothers too, System and pac Man and pac Man. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so that's that's pretty vite a lot of
<v Speaker 2>times too, because there'll just be a wall in your
<v Speaker 2>way and it's like, well, I needed to go left,
<v Speaker 2>but if I go right, I can also go left,
<v Speaker 2>which makes sense when you're looking at the grid. And yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I haven't played a ton of it,
<v Speaker 2>but it's very very charming, very straightforward, but it has
<v Speaker 2>that good, like simple charm to it that makes it
<v Speaker 2>very easy to pay attention to and be engaged with,
<v Speaker 2>but also not like so simple that I'm like bored
<v Speaker 2>out of my mind. It's like just just enough riding
<v Speaker 2>that line where I can enjoy it.
<v Speaker 3>Does it seem like it's it can get very complicated?
<v Speaker 3>Because that was like my fear sort of looking at it.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, this is kind of a cool idea,
<v Speaker 3>like the way it looks, but I was like, I
<v Speaker 3>because like those sliding box puzzles, I never enjoy those
<v Speaker 3>because they get so complicated. But like, do you think
<v Speaker 3>there's potential there? I know you're like a rubscube guy
<v Speaker 3>as well, like right.
<v Speaker 1>At those kinds of puzzles, Right, Yeah, I saw that
<v Speaker 1>video that I have it blown away. By the way,
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm going.
<v Speaker 2>To be looking away for the next ninety seconds and
<v Speaker 2>it's because I'm doing rubles too while we're talking.
<v Speaker 3>Also, congrats on winning Janet Garcia's apartment through a Rubik's
<v Speaker 3>Cube contest? Is that what's happening?
<v Speaker 2>And then I don't know, I don't know what the
<v Speaker 2>this is for context.
<v Speaker 3>This is a min max no context. We don't need
<v Speaker 3>no context.
<v Speaker 2>Never mind, I own Janet's apartment now, but I'm letting
<v Speaker 2>her and her fiance stay there.
<v Speaker 1>You arrange them out of there.
<v Speaker 2>Uh, yeah, they don't have to find other arrangements. Boom
<v Speaker 2>brought it back. Uh, what the heck were we talking about?
<v Speaker 3>I was just asking if if there's a danger of
<v Speaker 3>it getting too complicated.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I don't can think so, but I'm very early still.
<v Speaker 4>So it's a thing of like I could I could
<v Speaker 4>see it getting difficult, but it seems to be doing
<v Speaker 4>the thing where instead of like right when it gets
<v Speaker 4>to the point where it's like, wow, I had to
<v Speaker 4>think really hard about that puzzle. Then the like section
<v Speaker 4>of that game ends, and then all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 4>I'm doing something else and I have to worry about
<v Speaker 4>some new thing. So at first it was like, how
<v Speaker 4>do I get these swords to the monsters? And then
<v Speaker 4>once that was kind of difficult, it became okay, now
<v Speaker 4>how do I.
<v Speaker 2>Hold these switches down to go through the doors. It's
<v Speaker 2>one of those switches where like the thing has to
<v Speaker 2>stay on there, so you can't just put a piece
<v Speaker 2>down and then slide to the right away from it
<v Speaker 2>because then you'll pull it off, and so you have
<v Speaker 2>to like manage that. And then as soon as that's
<v Speaker 2>the thing, you know, they introduced some new concept. So
<v Speaker 2>it's not a like complicated in terms of like one
<v Speaker 2>kind end of really hard puzzle.
<v Speaker 3>It's not like you're constantly doing sliding picture pumps, so
<v Speaker 3>that's not that's not what correct.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and the whole Yeah, it's it's pretty I
<v Speaker 2>never got to a point where I felt like I
<v Speaker 2>was like stuck in one spot. Like, you have a
<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty free range of movement for the most part,
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, it doesn't feel very restrictive combat. Yeah, the
<v Speaker 2>the combat is basically what I was saying of you
<v Speaker 2>just pull swords into certain enemies. I get to find
<v Speaker 2>enemies that move, so they're usually just staying still. But
<v Speaker 2>you just gotta ORIENTO the right way because you've done
<v Speaker 2>that happened on.
<v Speaker 3>The screen, so we have. He could have just swapped roof.
<v Speaker 1>The cooking thing where he's like, this is what it
<v Speaker 1>looks like when it's done.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, no, uh, it's it. I have also not
<v Speaker 2>been in a scenario so far yet where like time
<v Speaker 2>has been an issue, Like there's no no pressure for
<v Speaker 2>me to like move out of the way in time
<v Speaker 2>to dodge things or doing anything like that. It's mostly
<v Speaker 2>like you can look, you can assess for as long
<v Speaker 2>as you want.
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, cool, so positive first impression, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I intend to keep playing it. It's not
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be very long. They said four to five hours,
<v Speaker 2>and it comes out on Thursday, which is today. This
<v Speaker 2>comes out July twenty fifth. Take post on Thursdays.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, sometimes I sometimes I push it earlier if
<v Speaker 3>things are going well.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's also double check. It's also coming to
<v Speaker 2>Netflix Games, so if you have Netflix and a phone.
<v Speaker 3>Ranger, yeah, there we go.
<v Speaker 1>Have you guys used Netflix game? Are you guys Netflix subscribers?
<v Speaker 1>I canceled mine, so I haven't had a chance.
<v Speaker 2>To Kyle and I both played Point P. Point P
<v Speaker 2>is there is the thing we've talked about. That's that's
<v Speaker 2>the that's the extent of mine though.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is. There's a lot of good games for
<v Speaker 3>it though, like both I think both the Ox and
<v Speaker 3>Freeds are on it, and I think Point Pie is
<v Speaker 3>very hideous.
<v Speaker 2>Is there Dead Sales is there?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Oh Dead Cells? Yeah, and then the strategy game
<v Speaker 3>that people love, Into the Breach, Into the Breach. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>there's good stuff on there. It's it's worth looking at.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's probably one of those things like if
<v Speaker 3>you maybe you have a Netflix subscription, that's part of it,
<v Speaker 3>and that's great, but like you'd probably still want to
<v Speaker 3>invest in like a backbone controller or something. But yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's like one of those things. It's like you have,
<v Speaker 3>like if you're paying for Netflix, like you actually have
<v Speaker 3>a pretty good video game library on your phone that
<v Speaker 3>you might not be aware, which is cool.
<v Speaker 2>Netflix. Netflix. Games is so interesting to me because I
<v Speaker 2>feel like so much of our time covering the games
<v Speaker 2>industry will see a developer or game company or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>and they'll clearly put a lot of work into making
<v Speaker 2>a game and advertising and just going really hard of
<v Speaker 2>like this is our game. We worked really really hard
<v Speaker 2>on here it is, and then despite all of that,
<v Speaker 2>the studio will like close or the game won't sell
<v Speaker 2>very well or whatever. Netflix Games is like the opposite thing,
<v Speaker 2>where every time I talk to someone, they have no
<v Speaker 2>idea it exists, and it's like a it's a good product,
<v Speaker 2>but it's like not communicated very well. And despite that
<v Speaker 2>it's been years, it's still around. They're like expanding and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm curious of like how at what point they
<v Speaker 2>flesh out their marketing, if they do it all, or
<v Speaker 2>what what that even looks like.
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people don't even know how
<v Speaker 1>to access their library or like, so is it like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>do I go into Netflix and the games are there?
<v Speaker 1>Or do I have to download the game separately and
<v Speaker 1>log into Netflix? Like how do you? It's not like
<v Speaker 1>it's not as clear as like game Pass, right, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>that's an app that it's just got everything there, you
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. It's like, how do I actually
<v Speaker 1>use this? Yeah, I don't know Netflix Games everybody, but okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to play a range Ride. I want to
<v Speaker 1>get my hands on that. Uh so, yeah, excited to
<v Speaker 1>see what you think of it as you can, and
<v Speaker 1>you moving people around against their will. Charles me too,
<v Speaker 1>speaking of losing things against your will. I have finished.
<v Speaker 1>I played and finished Nobody Wants to Die. Have you
<v Speaker 1>guys seen this game at all?
<v Speaker 2>Oh?
<v Speaker 3>I had a couple of trailers sent to me by them,
<v Speaker 3>and I remember even looking at them and thinking like,
<v Speaker 3>this looks cool, even if I'm not exactly sure what
<v Speaker 3>this is.
<v Speaker 1>You know, Okay, this dropped last week. I think it
<v Speaker 1>was the seventeenth. It is a first person like detective
<v Speaker 1>mystery adventure game set and maybe the coolest depiction of
<v Speaker 1>a cyberpunk city I've ever seen, because you know, when
<v Speaker 1>you think of cyberpunk, like they all kind of blend together,
<v Speaker 1>like it's all just variations of Blade Runner, But I
<v Speaker 1>think this changes that up because it's a mix of
<v Speaker 1>that aesthetic with like nineteen like forties fifties art deco.
<v Speaker 1>So like imagine if like maybe like BioShock like Rapture,
<v Speaker 1>Like what if that was like a cyberpunk city but
<v Speaker 1>it still had all the art deco stuff where it's
<v Speaker 1>like flying cars, but all the cars look old and
<v Speaker 1>like all of your cool gadgets have just like this
<v Speaker 1>vintage quality to them, even though they're like infinitely more
<v Speaker 1>advanced than anything we have. It's like such a weird mishmatch,
<v Speaker 1>but it gives the game so much like personality combined
<v Speaker 1>with like the kind of like jazzy noir soundtrack. It
<v Speaker 1>has that. Again. You see cyberpunk games all the time,
<v Speaker 1>but it's like this is one. I was like, this
<v Speaker 1>is gonna stick with me because it has like that
<v Speaker 1>that art deco really separates it from the pack.
<v Speaker 3>Story at pull up a trailer like it looks it looks.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've pulled it up just now to look at it,
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, yeah, this is not I
<v Speaker 2>don't know what I expected this to look like. I
<v Speaker 2>think I was thinking of that game Nobody Saves the World.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's just because they had similar title.
<v Speaker 2>So I was picturing some like two D indie thing
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, no, this is like a.
<v Speaker 3>No it looks d. It looks you know, to lend
<v Speaker 3>it a compliment. Yeah, and it does.
<v Speaker 1>I played it on PC. I believe it's also in
<v Speaker 1>Placation five and Series X. But it not only does
<v Speaker 1>like the art direction strong, but just like fidelity wise,
<v Speaker 1>it is a it is a sharp looking game, like
<v Speaker 1>the lighting is great, Like I I don't the studio.
<v Speaker 1>The name escapes me, but I was.
<v Speaker 3>Like, play On, Critical Hit.
<v Speaker 1>Critical Hit, Yeah, play On is the publisher. They're a
<v Speaker 1>Polish studio, I believe, But I was like, what else
<v Speaker 1>did they done? It's like this looks like a lot
<v Speaker 1>of money went into this, but also it's not a
<v Speaker 1>long game, which maybe helped, Like you can finish it
<v Speaker 1>in like five hours roughly. But the the idea the
<v Speaker 1>game is that it's in like the like twenty three something,
<v Speaker 1>like the year twenty three something, and you're playing as
<v Speaker 1>this detective named Jack Kara. And the way the world works,
<v Speaker 1>and this is maybe the most terrifying and like upsetting
<v Speaker 1>the world I've been in in a while, where basically
<v Speaker 1>humanity has solved like death, like they they found a
<v Speaker 1>way to sounds great, sounds like nothing could go wrong
<v Speaker 1>with that. And the way that they've done is that
<v Speaker 1>they've created a means to extract your consciousness and put
<v Speaker 1>it into another body, so people don't really die in
<v Speaker 1>this world anymore, like death is very very rare. And
<v Speaker 1>the way the system works is that the government has
<v Speaker 1>legal ownership over your body to where when you come
<v Speaker 1>of age, which is like and this takes place in
<v Speaker 1>the future, Marcus, there might be some commentary about certain
<v Speaker 1>things going on in our in our current society when
<v Speaker 1>it comes to ownership of your body. But like the
<v Speaker 1>waightst world works, is that the government has legal control
<v Speaker 1>over your body when once you come of age, was
<v Speaker 1>it's twenty one years old, at which point you have
<v Speaker 1>to start paying a subscription to keep your body, if
<v Speaker 1>you have to start paying to keep it, because otherwise
<v Speaker 1>if you do not do that, they can seize you,
<v Speaker 1>extract your consciousness, put it into this massive bank of
<v Speaker 1>other consciousnesses, and then your body just goes up for sale.
<v Speaker 1>Basically like other people that want to change bodies can
<v Speaker 1>look at you and be like, oh, yeah, that's the
<v Speaker 1>one that's got everything I want. I'll take theirs. And
<v Speaker 1>then it's like you basically become like a used car.
<v Speaker 1>So there's this giant So that's like a whole economy
<v Speaker 1>and like like culture aroundness where like the hyper rich
<v Speaker 1>will just like because they can afford best bodies, so
<v Speaker 1>to be like all bodies are graded. We're like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>this is an A plus body, and then it'll also
<v Speaker 1>list like here's all the unique traits of this body,
<v Speaker 1>good or bad of like, like your character Jack, he's
<v Speaker 1>been our live for like three hundred years and he's
<v Speaker 1>like in his fourth body and you can see like
<v Speaker 1>his little profile was like, oh, he's the body he
<v Speaker 1>has has like a allergies and they'll list that like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you're lactose intolerant by the way, and you gotta pede
<v Speaker 1>on allergies just so you know. Or you got a
<v Speaker 1>tattoo that might be problematic. I don't know if you
<v Speaker 1>want to get that taken care of or just something. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but that sort of like determines the grade of the body.
<v Speaker 1>And then also there like there's this idea that every
<v Speaker 1>time you switch to a new body, there's debate about
<v Speaker 1>how much of your consciousness transfers over and whether or
<v Speaker 1>not it might potentially degrade with each transfer of like
<v Speaker 1>are you like and like? And that plays into Jack
<v Speaker 1>where he has this like he lost his wife in
<v Speaker 1>like a traumatic accident. You don't know what happened, but
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of figuring that out. But he keeps seeing
<v Speaker 1>her and he has like sink issues because that's like
<v Speaker 1>a thing where like, oh, when you transfer to a
<v Speaker 1>new bodies. Sometimes you have like this this mental issue
<v Speaker 1>where you just sort of start to break down and
<v Speaker 1>maybe start seeing things that may or not been real,
<v Speaker 1>and you have to take this special medication called ambrosia
<v Speaker 1>to sort of like fix those symptoms. So he's like
<v Speaker 1>constantly chugging these things as he's like wigging out, and
<v Speaker 1>you see like the substance that sort of like contains
<v Speaker 1>your consciousness. It's called ickorite, and you just see it
<v Speaker 1>like branching. It's like this glowing web of like energy
<v Speaker 1>that's like flowing all over the environment. And he's like
<v Speaker 1>struggling to get a hold of himself, but his sort
<v Speaker 1>of like goal is that there's this the creator of
<v Speaker 1>this system, or one of the creators is murdered, and
<v Speaker 1>like really murdered because they the only thing that keeps
<v Speaker 1>you alive is the ickerit that everyone has in their
<v Speaker 1>brain with your consciousness, and you can completely fry that
<v Speaker 1>then you're just like dead dead basically. And somehow has
<v Speaker 1>someone has managed to do this? And you're trying to
<v Speaker 1>figure out like how like it was it an accident
<v Speaker 1>or did he kill himself or did someone else do it?
<v Speaker 1>And for what purpose? So like the game is basically
<v Speaker 1>the shorthand I've decided for is like it's Batman Arkham
<v Speaker 1>Detective Mode the video game where you've got all like
<v Speaker 1>four different tools that you're going into these investigative, investigative
<v Speaker 1>spaces at these crime scenes and you're just trying to
<v Speaker 1>piece together clues, and you've got like his main device
<v Speaker 1>is this gauntlet where he can basically scan an environment
<v Speaker 1>and then sort of like reconstructed and then replay it,
<v Speaker 1>like you can scrub through it where you can kind
<v Speaker 1>of see, you know, it sort of like reanimates everything basically,
<v Speaker 1>so it's like, oh, this thing exploded, I can just
<v Speaker 1>rewind to before it exploded and then kind of figure
<v Speaker 1>out what caused the explosion or something like that.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, incidentally, like the Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven the
<v Speaker 3>game like had sequences like that as well. Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 3>like a blade Runner thing too, like him looking into photos.
<v Speaker 3>So it's like it's of the genre, right right, but
<v Speaker 3>well done here it seems.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it looks like it's super super slick, just like
<v Speaker 1>the animation the interface for like, it looks cool as
<v Speaker 1>you're sort of like basically reverse engineering a crime scene
<v Speaker 1>where you're walking inre like I you know, he's questioning
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know how this guy could have landed here,
<v Speaker 1>or how could he get shot from this angle? And
<v Speaker 1>then you start to gradually put the pieces together, Like
<v Speaker 1>you've got a UV lamp that you can use the
<v Speaker 1>UH find like you know, hidden substances or bloodstains that
<v Speaker 1>you can trace to a source. You've got an X
<v Speaker 1>ray that you can use a scan through walls to
<v Speaker 1>find like hidden wires that leads to generators. And he's
<v Speaker 1>also got a like like just the regular version of
<v Speaker 1>the Tech Division where you just flip it on and
<v Speaker 1>you can see sort of like the objects that you
<v Speaker 1>can interact with UH. Because this is one of those
<v Speaker 1>games where, like you poking around is like important where
<v Speaker 1>you'll find little clues that you know, whether it's like
<v Speaker 1>a little book or a cup or something, but it
<v Speaker 1>might have something important and UH and it does matter
<v Speaker 1>in terms of the case as far as I can tell,
<v Speaker 1>Like you'll pick up things where it's like, oh, you know,
<v Speaker 1>you've you've affected the outcome of the story of your case.
<v Speaker 1>Because it's like a choice driven game too, where the
<v Speaker 1>only there's very few like characters that you're interacting with,
<v Speaker 1>Like the main one is this woman in your ear
<v Speaker 1>named Sarah who's like your partner, and you guys kind
<v Speaker 1>of have like an uneasy relationship because she's, you know,
<v Speaker 1>you've got a record of being like a hothead basically,
<v Speaker 1>like you're you're sort of like the loose cannon kind
<v Speaker 1>of cop guy where the chief is not really a
<v Speaker 1>fan of you basically, and she's like the new rookie
<v Speaker 1>on the scene who also has only lived in her
<v Speaker 1>original body, where she's like I think they call her
<v Speaker 1>a newborn, where like, oh, you've been alive less than
<v Speaker 1>fifty years. That's weird, Like you haven't switched bodies yet,
<v Speaker 1>so you're kind of having like your relationship with her
<v Speaker 1>can change based on interaction of like how trustworthy you
<v Speaker 1>are of each other, whether or not she'll go behind
<v Speaker 1>your back with things, and some of the optional conversations
<v Speaker 1>are pretty fun. Like I think the performances Buy and
<v Speaker 1>Large are pretty good, especially Sarah. I think the main
<v Speaker 1>guy is like James. He kind of comes off as
<v Speaker 1>like very hard boiled, like noir novel style, like he's
<v Speaker 1>kind of doing the like long monologues where he's making
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like like metaphors that make limited sense,
<v Speaker 1>and then like you know, he's like, oh, you know,
<v Speaker 1>the rain is.
<v Speaker 5>Coming down like a cold sweat of fire, and it
<v Speaker 5>reminds me of the part of the city, and he's
<v Speaker 5>like going like that kind of stuff, yeah, which is
<v Speaker 5>funny because there's a his character is a fan of
<v Speaker 5>old like old crime movies from like the nineteen fifties,
<v Speaker 5>and there's like points where he actively makes fun of
<v Speaker 5>that kind of character, but then he's on like a
<v Speaker 5>barely a step above them, and in terms of like
<v Speaker 5>how like there's several of.
<v Speaker 1>His lines where I'm like, I don't know about that one.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that one made a lot of sense,
<v Speaker 1>but it's good, but he's saying it with like one
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent just like seriousness behind it. But like the
<v Speaker 1>I think the dynamic between him Sarah is like really fun.
<v Speaker 1>There's some really cool revelations but with both of them
<v Speaker 1>that I won't get into. But like even the optional
<v Speaker 1>stuff can like sort of like steer a story different ways.
<v Speaker 1>Like there's one point where you go into like the
<v Speaker 1>rich guy's house and you find like he has chocolate
<v Speaker 1>and a jar like which has gone extinct. Basically because
<v Speaker 1>ever there's like barely anything is like organic in this world,
<v Speaker 1>Like there's barely a trace of green just because of
<v Speaker 1>how you know, this is like late late late late
<v Speaker 1>late stage capitalism, where like there's just building upon buildings,
<v Speaker 1>and like food is barely real. But you find like
<v Speaker 1>a piece of like real chocolate that has been preserved
<v Speaker 1>for like over one hundred years, and you have this
<v Speaker 1>optional conversation where she gets really excited when you find it,
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, can you smell it for me and
<v Speaker 1>describe what it smells like to you? Like she really
<v Speaker 1>wants to know, and you can like end this right
<v Speaker 1>away where you're just like, no, I'm not doing that,
<v Speaker 1>But then if you go through it, you're going through
<v Speaker 1>this semi lengthy sequence of just like I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>it smells like mushrooms maybe, and she's like, really, can
<v Speaker 1>you describe it a different way or like a like
<v Speaker 1>an emotion, and you can just keep.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really like I really like imagining the conversation
<v Speaker 2>re action of like, oh, yeah, what does that smell like?
<v Speaker 2>And you're like, I'm not telling you that showing someone
<v Speaker 2>out like stop being weird, man.
<v Speaker 1>You can if you want to Yeah, I think that's
<v Speaker 1>so funny.
<v Speaker 3>It's just would you is this like an action game?
<v Speaker 3>Is there like are you shooting and running and or
<v Speaker 3>is it? Is it all like just detective work? Okay,
<v Speaker 3>that's cool.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you're moving around these spaces like you're
<v Speaker 1>freely moving around the first person. You're picking things up,
<v Speaker 1>inspecting them, but there's no combat, even though if teases
<v Speaker 1>commat a few times, Like there's sequences where he pulls
<v Speaker 1>his gun, but you're never like pulling the trigger. It's
<v Speaker 1>sort of like something will always happen, or like usually
<v Speaker 1>just something always happened, but I was like waiting for it.
<v Speaker 1>A few times. They make it a point to establish
<v Speaker 1>like he's got a gun, like you can look at
<v Speaker 1>it and stuff and inspect it. So you're like, I'm
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to shoot someone at some point, but no,
<v Speaker 1>not really. You're just going around just crime scene the
<v Speaker 1>crime scene, just doing these rather lengthy like reconstructions of
<v Speaker 1>these scene, Like one scene can take like probably a
<v Speaker 1>good fifteen minutes at the least, depending on how long
<v Speaker 1>it takes you to sort of connect dots, and then
<v Speaker 1>even after that, you're going back to your apartment and
<v Speaker 1>you've got like a like a sort of like a
<v Speaker 1>flow chart that you're putting together with all your clues
<v Speaker 1>to try to figure out like, Okay, how do these
<v Speaker 1>things come act? What am I? What are the conclusion
<v Speaker 1>I'm drawing? And that is I think that changes based
<v Speaker 1>on what you find too, or at least what you
<v Speaker 1>sort of like decide, like this what significance you assign
<v Speaker 1>to clues in the moment? Change it. But that even
<v Speaker 1>that like little exercise of connecting dots is presented in
<v Speaker 1>a really slick and cool way. I think the story
<v Speaker 1>itself is generally pretty good, Like I think it's really
<v Speaker 1>gripping just the world. Like I said, like there was
<v Speaker 1>one there were multiple points playing this game where I
<v Speaker 1>was just like almost like like genuinely upset of like
<v Speaker 1>how could we let this happen? Like this is an
<v Speaker 1>awful way to live? And a lot of the story
<v Speaker 1>is sort of like the main villain is sort of
<v Speaker 1>a guy that's like seemingly going against that status quo
<v Speaker 1>in a maybe very destructive way, but you have choices
<v Speaker 1>to where like you know he's done, Like you know
<v Speaker 1>you could just kill this guy because you know he's
<v Speaker 1>like a horrible person like this politician or this this
<v Speaker 1>like celebrity, or he's like you know all the stuff
<v Speaker 1>he's done and kill him now, you know, you'll be
<v Speaker 1>saving a lot of lives, you know, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>but an you kind of do the thing of like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but this isn't the right way or you know that
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. But there's some pretty messed up people
<v Speaker 1>in this world.
<v Speaker 3>Is satisfying you finished it right?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think by and large it isler's obvious that
<v Speaker 1>stuff with the villain. I walked away not totally clear
<v Speaker 1>on who he was exactly, and I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>that's a consequence of the choices that I made, Like
<v Speaker 1>maybe I didn't unlock a dialogue trig because you can see,
<v Speaker 1>like when you get some conversations there, you'll see responses
<v Speaker 1>that are locked and you don't know what they are,
<v Speaker 1>but you can see there's a lot of like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I did not I didn't find something that would have
<v Speaker 1>unlocked this. And then there were times where I found
<v Speaker 1>a thing and it's like, oh, this is available now, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I say, like it's important to poke
<v Speaker 1>around and see how much you can find before moving
<v Speaker 1>on or talking to someone. But I think the storytelling,
<v Speaker 1>like for the most part, is like genuinely gripping, and
<v Speaker 1>I was like invested in everything that was happening. And
<v Speaker 1>like I said, the between the presentation and the world
<v Speaker 1>and just the and and the investigative stuff, you know,
<v Speaker 1>can get a little repetitive, like you are kind of
<v Speaker 1>doing the same four general things for LinkedIn see what
<v Speaker 1>is But like it's it's presented in such a cool
<v Speaker 1>way that I never really minded. And again I was like,
<v Speaker 1>I want to see what I would like to see
<v Speaker 1>the answer to this. I'm very curious to see how
<v Speaker 1>this unfolded. So I'm fine with scanning this thing again.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's cool. It's a cool game, and it
<v Speaker 1>feels like something that kind of came out of nowhere.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm still mulling on it. I'm thinking about
<v Speaker 1>just the starting another playthrough, just to make some different choices,
<v Speaker 1>see how differently things can unfold. But it seemed like
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of potential for things to go in
<v Speaker 1>completely different directions because there are some pretty big decisions
<v Speaker 1>that you have to make.
<v Speaker 3>Cool. Yeah, no, it doesn't. It feels like kind of
<v Speaker 3>left field. I think it came out July seventeenth. It
<v Speaker 3>looks like on Steam So yeah, it's.
<v Speaker 1>One of again, do I feel like I could talk
<v Speaker 1>about the world forever. It's just there, like everything has
<v Speaker 1>about the Great of Body subscriptions were they like promote
<v Speaker 1>keeping your body healthy in a way that is like
<v Speaker 1>almost like gross of like if they're very much like
<v Speaker 1>please don't smoke and drink and not because we want
<v Speaker 1>you to like feel better, it's because are your body's
<v Speaker 1>gonna be loan to someone else, so don't give them
<v Speaker 1>like a faulty body please. Like there's like these really
<v Speaker 1>the everywhere. Yeah, like literally it's that of like like
<v Speaker 1>you see posters being like, hey, you know, drinking is bad,
<v Speaker 1>doing drugs is bad, and elite, We'll arrest you because
<v Speaker 1>you're destroying the government property your body. It's wild. It's
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a wild game. So but yeah, that
<v Speaker 1>is nobody says. Nobody says God, Charles, Nobody wants to
<v Speaker 1>die out now PlayStation Xbox in PC. Kyle, you wrapped
<v Speaker 1>up Ksugami Path at the Goddess recently. You gave it
<v Speaker 1>a review score. Yeah, tell us all about that journey.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just I wanted to fall upon it quickly
<v Speaker 3>because we talked about it a good bit last week.
<v Speaker 3>At the time, Wes was actually the assigned reviewer, which
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned just to explain like why suddenly I had
<v Speaker 3>my name on the score he he Wes ended up
<v Speaker 3>going on a surprise work trip and that took them
<v Speaker 3>away from his console. And but I also bring it
<v Speaker 3>up because kind of like earlier this year, Loralai in
<v Speaker 3>the Laser Eyes, it was a game that I just
<v Speaker 3>kind of started because I was like, that looks cool.
<v Speaker 3>I'll check this out, like we check out so many games,
<v Speaker 3>like we are constantly just starting games, So it really
<v Speaker 3>is something special when it's like, oh, I'm finishing this,
<v Speaker 3>like there's no way I don't finish this yet, and now.
<v Speaker 1>Nobody nobody wants to die. Was that for me? It's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I've seen this and then you're like, oh, I think
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna finish this. Yeah, And that's Kunittugami.
<v Speaker 3>Was that for me, and it really surprised me for
<v Speaker 3>a lot of reasons, because like, I'm not really a
<v Speaker 3>big strategy guy. I don't really enjoy the act of
<v Speaker 3>like in that game, you sort of assign roles to
<v Speaker 3>people and then you place them on the battlefield kind
<v Speaker 3>of so to speak, and like that's just not the
<v Speaker 3>I don't enjoy that kind of gameplay, But it just
<v Speaker 3>really worked for me here just because of the it's
<v Speaker 3>never overly complicated. It's satisfying to kind of level up
<v Speaker 3>those villagers and stuff like that, and then when you
<v Speaker 3>sort of you can always run in and fight yourself
<v Speaker 3>and like you can always kind of save the day ultimately,
<v Speaker 3>Like I certainly played levels that I had to restart
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that, Like I wasn't like a breeze.
<v Speaker 3>I did make it through without replaying any levels, though,
<v Speaker 3>which I was very happy about in a weird way.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, please don't make me like replay levels
<v Speaker 3>I've already been. I don't want to do that. But
<v Speaker 3>I gave it an eight seventy five, and it's like
<v Speaker 3>it is one of the year's surprises for me. Not
<v Speaker 3>that like I don't have faith in like Capcom or
<v Speaker 3>anything like that. Like the first time I saw it,
<v Speaker 3>I never thought it looked bad or anything, but it
<v Speaker 3>was just one of those like I don't know what
<v Speaker 3>this is. It's got a cool art style. We'll see
<v Speaker 3>if it's like destined to be a cult Classic, and
<v Speaker 3>it was just one of those that I was like,
<v Speaker 3>this is great. I don't want to stop playing. I'm
<v Speaker 3>going to see this to the end. And I really
<v Speaker 3>liked Kunitsugami. Like, I bet, you know, I don't know
<v Speaker 3>what the rest of the year will look like, obviously,
<v Speaker 3>but I bet it'll be on my top ten at
<v Speaker 3>the end of the year. Like it really surprised me
<v Speaker 3>in a way that I wasn't expecting and really ultimately enjoy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I having a chance to go back to it
<v Speaker 1>since we talked about it last week, But it's one
<v Speaker 1>of those games where, like I said last week, like
<v Speaker 1>it feels like this year's Exo primeal of like the
<v Speaker 1>weird thing we weren't sure about that came out. It
<v Speaker 1>was better than people thought it would be.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, I mean I Exo Prime will
<v Speaker 3>never clicked with me outside of playing like one or
<v Speaker 3>two matches, and I was like, I kind of get
<v Speaker 3>this and it's kind of charming, but I don't really
<v Speaker 3>feel super compelled to go back to it. But this
<v Speaker 3>the loop is just really satisfying of like save the woman,
<v Speaker 3>get to the end of the level, and then go
<v Speaker 3>back before the next fight. You can upgrade a lot
<v Speaker 3>of villages. You can fix villages, which lets you level
<v Speaker 3>up yourself or your villagers, and then you can go
<v Speaker 3>do some more fighting and then it's just it's very
<v Speaker 3>good at that one more thing. Let me just let
<v Speaker 3>me just take care of this before I go to bed.
<v Speaker 3>And it's like a game that kept me up late,
<v Speaker 3>and also in a way that I like. It's not
<v Speaker 3>very narrative heavy. There's no dialogue, so it was it
<v Speaker 3>was a game that I enjoyed, like putting on a
<v Speaker 3>podcast and just doing some combat and strategy and just
<v Speaker 3>playing through that loop over and over is very satisfying game.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think between this and Exo Primal, like those
<v Speaker 1>feel like games were if they all came out maybe
<v Speaker 1>the same year. I guess they did not really the
<v Speaker 1>same year. They all came out close together, like a
<v Speaker 1>year apart, but like they almost feel like a new
<v Speaker 1>Capcom six. You remember the Capcom six back in the day.
<v Speaker 2>I like, yes, yeah, can you can you tell me
<v Speaker 2>what this is?
<v Speaker 1>So that was an initiative from like the mid two
<v Speaker 1>thousands that they just announced like six.
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't six though. I think that numbers.
<v Speaker 1>Think I think amount of being five maybe, but it
<v Speaker 1>was like a bunch of games they announced that we're
<v Speaker 1>all coming out at relatively at the same time, or
<v Speaker 1>like they were all in development, but they were all
<v Speaker 1>like five. I guess the Capcom five, the Capcom five. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of the Wyat six. Maybe I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>It's a wrestling thing, but like yeah, but it was like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>we got these five weird games that were working on
<v Speaker 1>and they're all coming out in relatively the same time.
<v Speaker 3>They're all game cube games. Like Capcom was like, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>where do GameCube?
<v Speaker 1>And it was Beautiful Joe. Yep, it was god Hand, No,
<v Speaker 1>that was that was later? Yeah, Godhand was later?
<v Speaker 3>Was it really? Yeah? So because I have the like Wicked,
<v Speaker 3>there's a whole Wikipedia page for it. It's p and
<v Speaker 3>O three, which was which was pretty mediocre. It was
<v Speaker 3>Beautiful Joe which was good, Killer seven, which is like
<v Speaker 3>a cult classic, and then Residu Evill four was in
<v Speaker 3>that bundle. Because it was really surprising that Capcom was
<v Speaker 3>so focused on GameCube and they're like, we're making four
<v Speaker 3>GameCube exclusive games or five. The fifth one ended up
<v Speaker 3>getting canceled, which was like a Dragon game. I think
<v Speaker 3>a dead Phoenix is what it was called, and it
<v Speaker 3>never it ended up getting canceled. But Marcus, you are
<v Speaker 3>totally right. This feels like a Capcom five thing where
<v Speaker 3>they're like, yeah, we we have our big franchises and stuff,
<v Speaker 3>we have our street fighters and that kind of thing,
<v Speaker 3>but like we're gonna try some experiments here and see
<v Speaker 3>what clicks. And that was like Exo Primal and count
<v Speaker 3>Ugami feel like they totally fit that mold of like
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna try something special. And I mean I Exo
<v Speaker 3>Prime a lot. I mean I feel like though it
<v Speaker 3>was like generally critically well received, I feel like it
<v Speaker 3>kind of disappeared pretty quickly.
<v Speaker 1>But it's not a game that it's built for longevity
<v Speaker 1>because it is very much a single player game disguised
<v Speaker 1>as a multiplayer games. It had once you get to
<v Speaker 1>the end of the story, it's like, oh okay, you
<v Speaker 1>have to play a lot to get to the end
<v Speaker 1>of the stories. You're like, n done. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 1>a fun like it plays well, but yeah when I
<v Speaker 1>saw the when I got credits, I was like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm good. Yeah, And I mean Tougami it's not like
<v Speaker 1>one that I'm like really eager to go back to
<v Speaker 1>after seeing credit. So there there is new game plus
<v Speaker 1>if you want to do that. But it just I
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's sneaking up on a lot of people.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm alone in that, but it's like it really
<v Speaker 1>game pass too, which helps.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, so if yeah, so if you like, if
<v Speaker 3>you like action, if you with a little bit of
<v Speaker 3>strategy in there, Like I feel like Pickman is maybe
<v Speaker 3>the closest game you can relate to. It's not it's different,
<v Speaker 3>you know, but it's like you're in control of a
<v Speaker 3>group and you're kind of like using them to do stuff.
<v Speaker 3>There's it's just got like the same emotions you know
<v Speaker 3>that I have when I'm playing Pickment. So yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>Nitsu goat me like one of my favorites of the year,
<v Speaker 3>and I did not expect that.
<v Speaker 1>Do you guys think Pragmata will be like part of
<v Speaker 1>this ill like their next weird thing? Like do you
<v Speaker 1>think this will be part of the new Capcom five
<v Speaker 1>or whatever number we're gonna sign to this?
<v Speaker 2>Do we know like what kind of game that is?
<v Speaker 1>I think they said it's an action game.
<v Speaker 3>I think we've seen gameplay right, It's like a third
<v Speaker 3>person action game, right.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we've well, I think that first
<v Speaker 1>trailer had I think that was it was in engine cinematics.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, Okay, this is the game that like they did
<v Speaker 2>the weird fake out trailer where they were like, here's
<v Speaker 2>the release date. Actually it's delayed.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that was it was a delay trailer. I mean yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>there was from a year ago. There is an official
<v Speaker 3>gameplay teaser, and I'm like watching it now and it
<v Speaker 3>kind of almost looks like third person shootery, kind of
<v Speaker 3>almost like vanquish a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. For those that don't know, by the way, this
<v Speaker 1>is the like Kajimo looking Astronaut game with the little
<v Speaker 1>girl that has powers.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it looks cool.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like it looks like the Kajima Productions logo is
<v Speaker 1>the main character.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, Marcus, you're totally right because it's like Capcom.
<v Speaker 3>I know, we just included Resume four in the Capcom five,
<v Speaker 3>but that was kind of an outlier because I was
<v Speaker 3>an established franchise. It just gotta have a headliner in there, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>because it was like it was weird because it was
<v Speaker 3>a GameCube exclusive. But that being said, I feel like
<v Speaker 3>Capcom now is like, look, we got Monster Hunter, going Strong,
<v Speaker 3>we got residueval every year, Street Fighter, you know, those
<v Speaker 3>games are bringing in the money, and then we're we're
<v Speaker 3>also doing these experiments Pragmata Exo, Primal Tugami like that.
<v Speaker 3>That totally fits them in. Just like there's a little
<v Speaker 3>team to the side that's like, can we can we
<v Speaker 3>try something here for a little while, and Capcom's like, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>just you'll we'll bring you back to Resident of next year.
<v Speaker 3>Why don't you work on Kinzugami for a while.
<v Speaker 1>Right, still waiting for deep Down, the next game part
<v Speaker 1>of the Capcom four or five. If only deep Down
<v Speaker 1>had been announced in this era of Capcom, it probably
<v Speaker 1>would have kind of came out.
<v Speaker 3>Charles, you said you did start Kanitsugami at least, or.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did, like the first battle. I think I'll
<v Speaker 2>go back to it. It was just last night. It
<v Speaker 2>was like literally the first time I had turned on
<v Speaker 2>my PS five since I moved.
<v Speaker 3>So it is easy. That takes what three hours?
<v Speaker 1>Tops? Don't you play video games while you're moving?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I have. That's what the switch is for,
<v Speaker 2>for playing video games while moving.
<v Speaker 1>It's my favorite switch commercial. When they were like in
<v Speaker 1>the moving truck, just.
<v Speaker 2>Playing the switches thing, not getting anything like the opening
<v Speaker 2>of a Pokemon Emerald. Oh yeah, the kid's just riding
<v Speaker 2>in the back of the truck, just like some kids
<v Speaker 2>in the back of a U haul, like playing Mario Kart,
<v Speaker 2>like bump for each other.
<v Speaker 1>That's going to be in the switch to commercial.
<v Speaker 2>I really hope so it moves where you move switch to.
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good.
<v Speaker 6>Actually, my my brother does a really good impression of
<v Speaker 6>Nintendo Direct voiceover guy of.
<v Speaker 2>Like Yoshi's back with a new adventure, and I I
<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed it. Or when it's like this guy he's
<v Speaker 2>got a very bright voice, but then he'll drop it
<v Speaker 2>down to be like a mysterious world or Pragmata, just
<v Speaker 2>just to be like a little more serious because he
<v Speaker 2>can't be too happy about anyway.
<v Speaker 3>Browns and blacks in it.
<v Speaker 2>Is coming to switch Yes, yeah, become the king of
<v Speaker 2>a criminal underworld. Game's good.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I haven't played that much of it, but I do.
<v Speaker 1>I like.
<v Speaker 2>In the same vein of what you guys were talking about.
<v Speaker 2>I recently got when we moved into this house. One
<v Speaker 2>of the things we found is my girlfriend's dad's old
<v Speaker 2>box of consoles, so I now own like they had
<v Speaker 2>no idea it was still there. I now own a
<v Speaker 2>Super Nintendo, a Nintendo sixty four, and then a PlayStation
<v Speaker 2>one and two.
<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah and now hell those are relics. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 3>they also.
<v Speaker 2>Like didn't play them very often. There's a like green
<v Speaker 2>translucent PS two controller still in the packaging, and that's
<v Speaker 2>like my favorite. Like I modded my switch pro controller
<v Speaker 2>to be translucent green. Like it's literally like the perfect
<v Speaker 2>thing I would want.
<v Speaker 3>It's like a pistol control.
<v Speaker 2>It's okay, it's exactly get.
<v Speaker 3>Pisto question the N sixty four controller. If you kind
<v Speaker 3>of just like shake it a little bit, does the
<v Speaker 3>control stick like loosely kind of shaken there? That's like
<v Speaker 3>the trick if for N sixty four controllers. It's like
<v Speaker 3>Charles is actually going to get it. I wasn't. I
<v Speaker 3>thought maybe he was that good. If it stands like
<v Speaker 3>stiff and doesn't like shake loosely in the controller, like
<v Speaker 3>you're in good shape. Like those are hard to come by. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>So like hold it flat, hold it flat, Charles, and
<v Speaker 3>then kind of like how does it feel does it
<v Speaker 3>feel stiff in there? That's good that's good.
<v Speaker 2>It's got a little give, but yeah.
<v Speaker 3>That's good because what the problem was they N sixty
<v Speaker 3>four uses like plastic pieces for the control stick that
<v Speaker 3>weigh down really easily. Over time, like follow up controllers,
<v Speaker 3>they figured out how to do it better and they
<v Speaker 3>would use metal and aluminum and stuff like that, but
<v Speaker 3>those N sixty four ones use plastic. So like you can,
<v Speaker 3>if you can see an overused N sixty four control,
<v Speaker 3>you can spot one very easily because the control stick
<v Speaker 3>is just like flailing around in there, so that looks
<v Speaker 3>pretty solid.
<v Speaker 2>Actually, yeah, it's it's nice because, uh, it's very much
<v Speaker 2>a thing where he bought it for GoldenEye and didn't
<v Speaker 2>use it for much else, so it's all very lightly
<v Speaker 2>used to Anyway, The only reason I brought all this
<v Speaker 2>up to tie back to Kizugami is now I can
<v Speaker 2>go to I always like to go to like retro
<v Speaker 2>game stores just to see what they have, but now
<v Speaker 2>I can actually be like, oh, maybe I can buy
<v Speaker 2>these things and play them. They're for more than just looking.
<v Speaker 3>At You can get a Taggi for your PS two
<v Speaker 3>and be like this is basically you can.
<v Speaker 1>You can get the Capcom five.
<v Speaker 2>It feels like the stuff I did the hall I
<v Speaker 2>got recently, see what he got smart, And then I
<v Speaker 2>was like, well it was only eight dollars, so I
<v Speaker 2>got Final Thing game right as well, And then I
<v Speaker 2>never played Got War the first one.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those are great, So revisiting the original God of
<v Speaker 3>War because you've played the more the recent two right right?
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm I'm prepared to be like, oh, Creatos,
<v Speaker 2>you're really right to be embarrassed about your past.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would be fun to go back with that
<v Speaker 3>context of like knowing where he ends up and seeing
<v Speaker 3>where he comes from, like those Yeah, look at that
<v Speaker 3>stories is really well done as a result.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, playing those games now is like looking at Kratos's
<v Speaker 1>high school Facebook messages and be like, oh, you are
<v Speaker 1>a very different person.
<v Speaker 2>I think we've talked about God of War before, Kyle,
<v Speaker 2>like way back, I think when we first started. He
<v Speaker 2>reviewed Ragnarok as like the first thing you did when
<v Speaker 2>you came here, and I was talking about how like
<v Speaker 2>I never played the old God of War games. So
<v Speaker 2>my perspective in the games is like a Treas's perspective,
<v Speaker 2>Like I know as much about these worlds, this world
<v Speaker 2>as he does, and so it'll be fun to basically
<v Speaker 2>be a treyas and be like, Dad, you did what.
<v Speaker 1>I think I think the game today.
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm calling a shot here that could like if
<v Speaker 3>you go back to Golden Now, you're gonna have a
<v Speaker 3>hard time, Charles, But I think God of War would
<v Speaker 3>still be fun today.
<v Speaker 1>Did you play the the DLC for Ragnarok, the Rogue
<v Speaker 1>Light thing?
<v Speaker 3>Oh?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there's like there's like that that glimpse of
<v Speaker 1>old Crados in there.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah really basically yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I was like I felt like that would be your
<v Speaker 1>first like glimpse into like because you know, it's him
<v Speaker 1>literally coming face to face with his old snell being like,
<v Speaker 1>oh boy, oh that was me.
<v Speaker 3>Huh uh, you're not dressed for the snow.
<v Speaker 1>I would say God of War three still one of
<v Speaker 1>my favorite action games of all time. I think God
<v Speaker 1>of War three is a masterpiece. Yeah uh yeah. You
<v Speaker 1>know what else is great real quickly out touching this
<v Speaker 1>because I forgot to do it last week is a
<v Speaker 1>Diabolo four vessel of Hatred's new spirit Born Class. I
<v Speaker 1>got to go to the Blizzard campus, which was my
<v Speaker 1>first time ever visiting yet I know it's one of
<v Speaker 1>the Uh, it's up there. I feel like for for
<v Speaker 1>like game studios you want to visit, I feel like
<v Speaker 1>Blizzard is usually up there. And I'm not even like
<v Speaker 1>a big Blizzard guy, Like I didn't grow up with
<v Speaker 1>Blizzard because I wasn't a PC gamer, which is that
<v Speaker 1>I feel like those two are basically the same things
<v Speaker 1>to an extent because so many of their big franchises
<v Speaker 1>were PC games, like I've I'm Just Diabolo and Overwatch
<v Speaker 1>one that is kind of where my Blizzard, like I
<v Speaker 1>guess fandom if you want to call it, that begins
<v Speaker 1>and ends. But even then, it was still cool visiting
<v Speaker 1>that campus and getting the full tour and seeing the
<v Speaker 1>the war Craft I Guess statute that's in the front
<v Speaker 1>that everybody's seen a million times. They have their own
<v Speaker 1>Starbucks that makes them custom work like Blizzard drinks, like
<v Speaker 1>they have drinks after their own Blue. They have a
<v Speaker 1>Diabolo drink that someone recommended I get. I we didn't.
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't able to go there and try it. But
<v Speaker 1>they're like, yeah, we have our own secret menu where
<v Speaker 1>you can get like a war Craft latte or Diabolo
<v Speaker 1>frappe or something.
<v Speaker 3>And I was like weird.
<v Speaker 1>How like, how good do you have to be doing
<v Speaker 1>to have like this Richie Rich set up basically where
<v Speaker 1>he had if you're Richie Rich when he had his
<v Speaker 1>own McDonald's, you know.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, we all know the reference, Marcus, I'm sure, Charles,
<v Speaker 3>we're mcaulay call page.
<v Speaker 2>I've heard the name.
<v Speaker 3>From there.
<v Speaker 2>He's got rich twice. He's a rich guy owns some McDonald's.
<v Speaker 1>As a kid, I thought having his own McDonald's like
<v Speaker 1>legitimately the coolest thing a rich person could do.
<v Speaker 3>That movie has probably led to a lot of you know, uh,
<v Speaker 3>commercialism issues, and you know it's like that, you know,
<v Speaker 3>back to the future. The ultimate win at the end
<v Speaker 3>of that movie is he like McFly has a truck.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I want life. I have a truck now
<v Speaker 3>that and like Richie Rich, are why we have so
<v Speaker 3>many problems today, capitalists.
<v Speaker 1>This is why we're going to be selling our bodies inscription.
<v Speaker 1>But I got to play about two over two hours
<v Speaker 1>actually of the Spiritborn Class, which is the new class
<v Speaker 1>coming to Vessel of Hatred, and basically it is this
<v Speaker 1>cool like martial arts like spirit Master, where it's it's
<v Speaker 1>native to the new region that the expansions introducing called Nothtu.
<v Speaker 1>It's like a jungle region. The class itself thematically and
<v Speaker 1>aesthetically very much inspired by like Central South American kind
<v Speaker 1>of like culture. Like you could see a bit of
<v Speaker 1>like like Mayan or like Inking in some of the
<v Speaker 1>character design, Whereas like the combat Wise is a very
<v Speaker 1>offensive focused class, which is what I love about it
<v Speaker 1>because it's literally just a guy that goes in there
<v Speaker 1>and just does a bunch of cool martial arts moves
<v Speaker 1>and doesn't worry about blocking. It just dodges all over
<v Speaker 1>the places. Like it's a very agile class where you're
<v Speaker 1>just like backflipping all over the battlefield and then you're
<v Speaker 1>just like cutting down a demon with like a cool
<v Speaker 1>like one hundred pands slap or like uh because he
<v Speaker 1>uses like pole arms and gleaves as like it's sort
<v Speaker 1>of preferred weapons. You're just like spinning a glave and
<v Speaker 1>just like slicing a dude up, and you're just like, yep,
<v Speaker 1>that's that's how I like to play my action games.
<v Speaker 1>I like a fast based dude that just does a
<v Speaker 1>gazillion things very quickly. But then on top of that
<v Speaker 1>they can commune with the spirit realm and summons these
<v Speaker 1>four spirit guardians that it harness his power for. So
<v Speaker 1>it's in each guardian, which are a jaguar, a centipede,
<v Speaker 1>a gorilla, an eagle. Like they each more or less
<v Speaker 1>feel like many classes in themselves because they each kind
<v Speaker 1>of promote a different play style, where like the jaguar
<v Speaker 1>is like a firebase and it's just about like relentless offense,
<v Speaker 1>and the gorilla is the opposite, where it's about like
<v Speaker 1>defense and just like you know, you can absorb a
<v Speaker 1>bunch of punishment and then retaliate with these really heavy blows.
<v Speaker 1>The eagles more maneuverability where you can just do these
<v Speaker 1>attachment you're just like warping all over the battlefield and
<v Speaker 1>doing like almost like final Fantasy kind of like like
<v Speaker 1>like lancer jumping and then it's like electricity bass. And
<v Speaker 1>then the centipede is like poison and debuffing opponents and
<v Speaker 1>just like disrupting mobs. And they each have their own
<v Speaker 1>abilities tied to them, and you can mix and match
<v Speaker 1>your bill to be either a hybrid of different styles
<v Speaker 1>or you can just go pure, like I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 1>be pure jaguar and have all that stuff. So It's
<v Speaker 1>like a really fun class just in terms of like
<v Speaker 1>the amount of uh customization you can do with it
<v Speaker 1>and and how you can just change your approach to battle.
<v Speaker 1>But also it's just a fun class to look at
<v Speaker 1>because like when you're just like like each of the
<v Speaker 1>animals has like an ultimate attack, where like the ghost
<v Speaker 1>animal just like shows up and then just like attacks
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people. Like you'll see the eagle just
<v Speaker 1>like swoop down from above and like slam into like
<v Speaker 1>ten guys and take them out, Or like the centiped
<v Speaker 1>will emerge from the ground and then just like spraying
<v Speaker 1>poison all over the place, and it just looks awesome.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a big Diablo guy. I mean this is
<v Speaker 3>totally unique, right, Like I know there's like necromancer classes
<v Speaker 3>where you can like call the dead to help you, right.
<v Speaker 1>But this is, yeah, is more about yeah, like necromancer
<v Speaker 1>is more about like summoning your own mobs to fight
<v Speaker 1>other moms. But this is like like the animals. Don't
<v Speaker 1>the animals only show up for like the ultimate attack.
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise you're doing abilities where you're sort of like channeling
<v Speaker 1>them or like if you're I'm using an ego ability,
<v Speaker 1>that's me throw feathers at people, you know what I mean. Like,
<v Speaker 1>they're not like manifesting entirely until you do their ultimate
<v Speaker 1>but it is a completely unique cloud, like they said, like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's the first class that isn't based on
<v Speaker 1>like a traditional fantasy archetype like a mage or like
<v Speaker 1>a rogue. Youino, Yeah, so let them sort of like
<v Speaker 1>get more creative and also base it since there was
<v Speaker 1>always planned for the expansion, like they started developing it
<v Speaker 1>before the base game came out. They're like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>we can tie the gameplay style and the fiction to
<v Speaker 1>way location, whereas the other classes are a little bit
<v Speaker 1>more Yeah, like they can kind of fit in anywhere.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they have to write, Like if you want
<v Speaker 3>to give the choice of like five different classes from
<v Speaker 3>the start, yeah, they kind of all have to fit
<v Speaker 3>in some way.
<v Speaker 1>Right, And you can Also what's cool is that if
<v Speaker 1>you play Vessel of Hatred, you can play the entire
<v Speaker 1>base game as the spirit Born from the start. Like
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to just wait for the expansion storyline
<v Speaker 1>to play it. So if you just want another reason
<v Speaker 1>to replay the game with an or the base game
<v Speaker 1>of a new class, you're just like, yeah, I'm just
<v Speaker 1>gonna go spiritborn and go fight little It. That'll be cool.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I liked it. I think it's probably my
<v Speaker 1>favorite class in the game now because it's it sings
<v Speaker 1>to how I like to play my action games a lot,
<v Speaker 1>and I just like the idea of customizing for spirit animals.
<v Speaker 1>And also it reminds me of Legends of the Hidden
<v Speaker 1>Temple vaguely because a red jaguar and a silver monkey. Technically,
<v Speaker 1>and I asked them that question. It's probably the dumbest
<v Speaker 1>question I asked them through my interview, and you would
<v Speaker 1>not believe that they said that was not a direct Instora.
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's frankly, I mean we're being honest here.
<v Speaker 1>Come on, I said, you can lie and say it
<v Speaker 1>is now, because I'm sure other people will ask you
<v Speaker 1>don't have to.
<v Speaker 3>Get ready to ask this question. I answer this question
<v Speaker 3>all day.
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to only disappoint me with this answer.
<v Speaker 2>Love the move as a journalist of being like you
<v Speaker 2>can lie if you want. Oh you said no, just
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and mind it's just actually, I think.
<v Speaker 1>You got other interviews later. You can lie to them
<v Speaker 1>if you want.
<v Speaker 3>I'll have the.
<v Speaker 2>Exclusive, the one truthful interview, you can lie to everyone else.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Diabo for Vessel Matred launching October god eight.
<v Speaker 3>I want to say, and what most and you included.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Diablo players will probably like, oh, new class
<v Speaker 3>and then I'll play this this this campaign. That's like
<v Speaker 3>off to the side kind of right. It's like it's
<v Speaker 3>not like they expect players to start the game over
<v Speaker 3>with the new class, right necessarily.
<v Speaker 1>I mean you can't. You want to, you know, I don't,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't believe you need to beat the base
<v Speaker 1>campaign to play the expansion. I think it's just sort
<v Speaker 1>of like off to the side, like, yeah, that's cool,
<v Speaker 1>that's smart, whatever you want. Actually, no, I know you
<v Speaker 1>can do that. They say that, like, yeah, if you're
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the campaign, you're like, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>do to other up the Vessel Patred stuff, you can
<v Speaker 1>just go do that.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like it's like a shadow of the
<v Speaker 3>r Tree approach a little bit right where.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, does it scale?
<v Speaker 3>You just leave, you go to a different area with
<v Speaker 3>you know, like you don't worry about overlapping with the
<v Speaker 3>previous stuff, right.
<v Speaker 1>You're asking, does like the level scale?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think it scales the same way
<v Speaker 1>it does in the base game.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah then yeah that makes sense.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and it is October eighth. Well ecee me
<v Speaker 1>for Vessel of Hatred. Yeah, if you guys don't have
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<v Speaker 1>day and pool for some questions. And we've got a
<v Speaker 1>few here, a couple leftover from last week, but we'll
<v Speaker 1>start with Sean via discord asking in the year twenty thirty,
<v Speaker 1>the same amount of time will have passed from the
<v Speaker 1>release of Pong as the time between the Right Brother's
<v Speaker 1>flight and gury Gagaron's trip as the first person in
<v Speaker 1>the outer space, which is fifty eight years. Okay, So
<v Speaker 1>the question is, what, if anything, would you label as
<v Speaker 1>the first person in an outer space moment in the
<v Speaker 1>history of video game development? What was the Right Brothers
<v Speaker 1>style milestone? Have video games as a craft landed on
<v Speaker 1>the moon yet?
<v Speaker 3>This is this is a funky question.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a really well thought out question. I
<v Speaker 2>feel like.
<v Speaker 3>Before we say anything, I think the achievement of leaving
<v Speaker 3>Earth's atmosphere and entering space is the more impressive achievement.
<v Speaker 3>Just because we're sort of lining them up doesn't mean
<v Speaker 3>we're relating the two.
<v Speaker 2>You don't think Pong and flight.
<v Speaker 1>And we we have sent a video game into space,
<v Speaker 1>haven't we, like in one of those like kind of
<v Speaker 1>like tying gift capsules from Earth in case someone finds
<v Speaker 1>it like as a culture thing.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there was an astronaut that was probably playing
<v Speaker 3>Candy Crust just like while they were waiting.
<v Speaker 1>I thought was going way further back, like someone a
<v Speaker 1>game Boy up or something.
<v Speaker 3>But I think I have a thought here that I
<v Speaker 3>don't know if it's the right answer. I don't know
<v Speaker 3>if there is a right answer, But I don't know
<v Speaker 3>what you guys think.
<v Speaker 1>What's what is it?
<v Speaker 2>What's I thought you were gearing up, you're telling us
<v Speaker 2>to go first.
<v Speaker 3>I have one. I think, uh, and I think it's
<v Speaker 3>I think it is the switch. I think it is
<v Speaker 3>the transition between home and portable console, like a home console,
<v Speaker 3>like like video game consoles. Right, Like there were like
<v Speaker 3>arcades and then like now, then we hit a point
<v Speaker 3>where like, well you can get arcade quality at home,
<v Speaker 3>but then there was always that divide between but then
<v Speaker 3>you can't take it out of your house. But the
<v Speaker 3>switch was that point where it was like you have
<v Speaker 3>a console, you can play it on your TV at home,
<v Speaker 3>and you you literally pick it up and take it
<v Speaker 3>out and it's the same thing and it's portable, and
<v Speaker 3>that was like that felt like magic to me the
<v Speaker 3>first time I sort of really use the switch. So
<v Speaker 3>that's my landing on the moon. Is the switch.
<v Speaker 2>I'll take you one further. I think they said by
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty, right, yeah, I think so we have to
<v Speaker 2>still some time that this happen. I think like proper,
<v Speaker 2>proper cloud gaming is the button that we hit of
<v Speaker 2>like you can just open up your phone and you
<v Speaker 2>can play any game and it's not like not as
<v Speaker 2>much of a question of how good your internet is
<v Speaker 2>just the idea that like video games transcending physical consoles
<v Speaker 2>and just being a thing of like oh and like
<v Speaker 2>now you can play Game Pass on a TV, just
<v Speaker 2>being like, oh you have a TV? Can I download
<v Speaker 2>this app real quick and then play the new Call
<v Speaker 2>of Duty? Like while I'm in my hotel room and
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to, you know, bring my tech along
<v Speaker 2>with me, Like I think, I think that's the for me.
<v Speaker 2>The space equivalent is entering the cloud, so.
<v Speaker 3>To speak at because that was I was going to say,
<v Speaker 3>is like, well we can do that now, but it's unreliable.
<v Speaker 3>And what you're talking about is like where we don't
<v Speaker 3>even perceive a difference, right I'm saying.
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, give it, give it six years, clean it up,
<v Speaker 2>tighten it up, make it easier to tighten up, make
<v Speaker 2>it a smoother experience. Because I've done cloud gaming, but
<v Speaker 2>it's always like every few minutes I get like some
<v Speaker 2>kind of visual glitch or like it goes out of
<v Speaker 2>sync for a second, Like I wouldn't play an action
<v Speaker 2>game on the cloud. But I know there's like I
<v Speaker 2>know it's a whole thing in Japan. Correct me if
<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong. It's not as crazy to put like a
<v Speaker 2>cloud game on switch, Like there's cloud games on the
<v Speaker 2>switch there that we don't have here because it's a
<v Speaker 2>better infrastructure for that sort of thing.
<v Speaker 1>So with that kind of like going with the I
<v Speaker 1>guess history of aviation analogy, if that's like what you're
<v Speaker 1>describing the man in the Moon moment. Would something like
<v Speaker 1>Stadia be like the Wright Brothers, like we figured out
<v Speaker 1>how to achieve flight, that's setting up.
<v Speaker 3>They do it without a living person or animal in there.
<v Speaker 3>It's like we've got we've left the atmosphere.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I say like like Stadia is like the
<v Speaker 1>Right Brothers playing like we can fly. It's a little
<v Speaker 1>shaky and maybe you know you're not going super high,
<v Speaker 1>but you can do it.
<v Speaker 3>But I thought that Pong was the Right Brothers.
<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, that's that's what this metaphor is.
<v Speaker 3>Like that Yeaong is the starting point, yes, like everything.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and then it's like within sixty years we
<v Speaker 3>were in space, right, It's like we figured out how
<v Speaker 3>to fly and then we were in space six years later,
<v Speaker 3>so we figured out video games? What what is the
<v Speaker 3>big thing that we do sixty years later?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess I condensed it down to like the
<v Speaker 1>history of cloud gaming and general. Yeah, maybe I was
<v Speaker 1>going to go back to like what about on Live
<v Speaker 1>or something?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, on Live was like your nay, you're crazy
<v Speaker 3>neighbor who set up a rocket that went into the
<v Speaker 3>atmosphere and he insisted it went to space and you're like,
<v Speaker 3>all right, I was gonna say, at least like a
<v Speaker 3>hot air balloon or like, well I can.
<v Speaker 2>Hmm.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, Like I feel like there's multiple good answers for this,
<v Speaker 1>like the smartphone, Like just the advent of the smartphone.
<v Speaker 1>I know that's because I had such a profound effect
<v Speaker 1>on gaming because now to your switch analogy, Kyle, you
<v Speaker 1>could take games anywhere in a way that even the
<v Speaker 1>game Boy couldn't, like, because everyone has to have a phone.
<v Speaker 1>Everyone has a phone. Like even if you were in
<v Speaker 1>a gamer, you had access to genuinely like good games
<v Speaker 1>for the first time without having to like without requiring
<v Speaker 1>any like extra purchase, you know, like I didn't have
<v Speaker 1>to buy a separate dedicated device I just have it
<v Speaker 1>now because I bought the first iPhone and like, for
<v Speaker 1>better or worse, you know, people have taken advantage of
<v Speaker 1>that and like not great ways. But also there's been
<v Speaker 1>like a myriad of really good mobile games where like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, so many people that consider themselves like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really a gamer, but then I put like
<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand hours in like Candy Crush or like
<v Speaker 1>threes or something, and to me, I was like, oh, no,
<v Speaker 1>you are. You just I don't think I like the
<v Speaker 1>idea like being a gamer is like it's to the
<v Speaker 1>point now where it barely means anything. It's like saying like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I'm a I'm a guy that likes movie. I'm a
<v Speaker 1>movie person. You're like everybody watches movies. He's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you know, some people watch it and appreciate it more
<v Speaker 1>than others. But it's like it's so like you, I'll
<v Speaker 1>watch movies. Nobody goes out and goes like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I like movies as like a weird personality trait. And
<v Speaker 1>I feel like video games have have gotten to that
<v Speaker 1>point as much as a lot of like Gatekeeper gamers
<v Speaker 1>tried to push back against like no, you don't like
<v Speaker 1>you're not a gamer if you only like this kind
<v Speaker 1>of like arbitrary thing, like there's a rule here, like
<v Speaker 1>you only play phone games around a game. You're like, no,
<v Speaker 1>that's it's become true. Yeah, yeah, it's so like and
<v Speaker 1>I feel like this small art phoneus maybe was like
<v Speaker 1>the final like glass shattering of that moment if we're
<v Speaker 1>just talking about like the availability of video games to
<v Speaker 1>the mainstream audience, whether we realize it or not. So
<v Speaker 1>that I guess that'll be my answer for this. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>great question, Sean.
<v Speaker 3>I like that. It's it's a weird one, thinker.
<v Speaker 1>Let's see. Our next one is from Prodible via discord,
<v Speaker 1>asking if any of you that have tried Zeendless Zone
<v Speaker 1>zero have also tried ginsch an impact, Which did you
<v Speaker 1>prefer and which world design which would be hub versus
<v Speaker 1>open world and gamepay loop which would be missions versus
<v Speaker 1>open world quests. Did you find fits the premium mobile
<v Speaker 1>game style that Hoyo is best known for or known
<v Speaker 1>for best? Like, I guess which game fits their premium
<v Speaker 1>mobile design better? I would almost I have.
<v Speaker 3>I haven't touched Zendless Zone zero really, I played it
<v Speaker 3>for like twenty minutes even that I played a bit
<v Speaker 3>of Gensen. But I mean, I think you could just
<v Speaker 3>just based on the success of Ensine. I think you
<v Speaker 3>could argue that Gensen is like the one that's sort
<v Speaker 3>of defined it, right, or like yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and your granted it's been out longer and we
<v Speaker 1>don't know the full tail of Zeno Zone zero word
<v Speaker 1>winds up success wise, I would almost say maybe zenless
<v Speaker 1>because it's more compartmentalized the gameplay. Mm hm, like that
<v Speaker 1>just makes it easier to like get in and out
<v Speaker 1>of like I'm going to do like a mission and
<v Speaker 1>then maybe spend money on it. Then something like more nebulous,
<v Speaker 1>like an open world or anything can happen at any
<v Speaker 1>time at any pace. I don't. I don't know. But
<v Speaker 1>then maybe that's the reason why the open world would
<v Speaker 1>be better, because you're maybe more likely to spend more
<v Speaker 1>time in it, so maybe the temptation to spend money
<v Speaker 1>is more present.
<v Speaker 3>I guess.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't. I don't know if you're saying from
<v Speaker 2>a player perspective or a company person.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess that's where I'm trying to figure out,
<v Speaker 1>Like I should be looking this purely from like the
<v Speaker 1>business perspective, right.
<v Speaker 2>I have only I've only played a little Genshin. I
<v Speaker 2>haven't played Zendles Zone zero. But what struck I was
<v Speaker 2>playing it in like my last weeks at fan bite,
<v Speaker 2>because it was a game that just got a lot
<v Speaker 2>of like website traffic, so it was like, I should
<v Speaker 2>probably be well versed in this if I want to,
<v Speaker 2>you know, cover it. At some point, I didn't get
<v Speaker 2>very far. And the thing that stood out to me
<v Speaker 2>is it was a game that the longer I played it,
<v Speaker 2>the more I felt like it just didn't really respect
<v Speaker 2>my time. It was like, oh, you can do whatever
<v Speaker 2>you want, you just have to spend a million years
<v Speaker 2>doing it or give us money. And I was like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to give you money, so I guess
<v Speaker 2>I got to spend a million year to do it
<v Speaker 2>either of those. And something about a mission structure is
<v Speaker 2>more appealing to me, knowing that that was the issue
<v Speaker 2>I had with Genshen. But I don't know how. I
<v Speaker 2>don't actually how it feels. I don't know if you
<v Speaker 2>have to replay missions a bunch of times to get
<v Speaker 2>new rewards, and if it feels as grindy as I
<v Speaker 2>felt like genshen Felt, But I'm not not the wrong
<v Speaker 2>person to answer this question for sure. I guess the takeaway.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so what is our definitive answer. Are we all
<v Speaker 1>seeing genshen or we're all just like I don't.
<v Speaker 3>A little bit of a shrug just because I'm not
<v Speaker 3>very close to genschen and I haven't played Zendless, you
<v Speaker 3>know yet, and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 1>Where does hank gy starrail fit into this is the
<v Speaker 1>real question.
<v Speaker 2>That's a great question because I don't actually know that's
<v Speaker 2>amonsture that game is.
<v Speaker 1>But that's like a turn based RPG. Yeah, it's turn based, Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>which I've heard. It's very good, like all their games are.
<v Speaker 1>It's really pretty awesome art style, awesome animation.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, uh so, yeah, that is our answer. Question mark
<v Speaker 1>for that one last question. Luke Skywalker via discord asking,
<v Speaker 1>after playing the beto, will Concord manage to carve its
<v Speaker 1>path in the very crowded Hero Shooter space? Does it
<v Speaker 1>remind y'all of previous experiences? And if it does, could
<v Speaker 1>it captured some of the same match of those older experiences.
<v Speaker 1>Did you guys play the open data this past weekend?
<v Speaker 3>No, just that first beta the one, yeah, which and
<v Speaker 3>this is like, it's not a genre I dig deep into.
<v Speaker 3>I don't really play online shooters, but I feel like
<v Speaker 3>the sentiment was the same across the board, or it
<v Speaker 3>was like generally the same as mine, which is like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>this is pretty fun, like this is this feels good.
<v Speaker 3>And then it's a little bit of like we'll see
<v Speaker 3>if any of these characters kind of stick, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like none of them really. I found one that I
<v Speaker 3>liked a lot. I liked playing as it Z, but
<v Speaker 3>I'm not like, what's her deal? You know, what's what's
<v Speaker 3>her history? I want to know more about her. I
<v Speaker 3>was just like, I don't know, she's she's like fun
<v Speaker 3>and she can teleport.
<v Speaker 1>And they probably already answered that, right, yeah, like bios
<v Speaker 1>that you can just look at.
<v Speaker 3>But I do I actually have confidence about Concord. I
<v Speaker 3>think it will find an audience. I have more confidence
<v Speaker 3>in it than I have most comparable shooters, just because
<v Speaker 3>it feels so good. It feels good to play.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's weird because I I know what
<v Speaker 1>I want from this game, But do you think it
<v Speaker 1>should have been free to play? Do you think it
<v Speaker 1>would stand a better chance if it was because right
<v Speaker 1>now it's like I think it's gonna be forty bucks,
<v Speaker 1>so like not full price by any means, But like,
<v Speaker 1>is that too much of a barrier at this point?
<v Speaker 1>And the I mean kind of.
<v Speaker 3>I don't like free to play games, Like across the board,
<v Speaker 3>I am significantly less likely to try and play a
<v Speaker 3>game if it's free to play. I don't want to
<v Speaker 3>engage in free to play mechanics. I don't like Fortnite,
<v Speaker 3>and not just because the cyber truck is in there now, Like,
<v Speaker 3>I just don't. I don't want to play those kinds
<v Speaker 3>of games. So I and I, you know, I recognize
<v Speaker 3>that I'm not the typical player necessarily. I am way
<v Speaker 3>more interested in Concord as a premium experience. That's way
<v Speaker 3>more enticing to me than you know, going into a
<v Speaker 3>free to play game and maybe having a good time.
<v Speaker 3>But just I mean, it's you're always going to see
<v Speaker 3>the sort of paywall barriers in any free to play game.
<v Speaker 3>They're just there by design, and that takes me out
<v Speaker 3>of the experience completely. When I play video games, I
<v Speaker 3>want to be invested in the world and I want
<v Speaker 3>to live in them. I don't want to think about
<v Speaker 3>my wallet at all.
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's kind of where they lost me with Overwatch two,
<v Speaker 1>among other things. Yeah, because you know, Overwatch one was
<v Speaker 1>like a premium thing where it's like this, this works.
<v Speaker 1>And I guess I'm also in that minority of like
<v Speaker 1>I'd rather just pay for a thing upfront because at
<v Speaker 1>least just like the design can't be infected with any
<v Speaker 1>sort of like free to play stuff even just like
<v Speaker 1>like like when it's free to play, like you have
<v Speaker 1>to design everything with that idea that like we need
<v Speaker 1>to get money somehow, even if you're not being super
<v Speaker 1>nefarious about it, you just kind of have to because
<v Speaker 1>otherwise how are you making money?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't fault that system like it's it's an
<v Speaker 3>entertainment business. It's fine, but right because I don't want
<v Speaker 3>to play it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I also like Hell Divers Too isn't free to play correct.
<v Speaker 3>It is not correct.
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's one to me where I'm like, I
<v Speaker 2>think if you had asked me this question pre Hell
<v Speaker 2>Divers Too, I think I may have maybe would have
<v Speaker 2>been up in the air because I can't think of
<v Speaker 2>an instance before that in recent memory of like a
<v Speaker 2>newer IP relatively of like, this is a new game,
<v Speaker 2>we're trying to break into the space and it's not
<v Speaker 2>free to play. Because everything seemed to be going in
<v Speaker 2>that direction. Then Hell Divers two was such a big
<v Speaker 2>success that it's like, well, there does seem to be
<v Speaker 2>an audience there that's interested in doing that. Now, not
<v Speaker 2>everything is gonna be Hell Divers too, it would be
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a it's a high bar to set,
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think it's impossible, especially because I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I think overwatched She was another great example. Like it
<v Speaker 2>it felt like it they figured it out, and then
<v Speaker 2>they unfigured everything out, and now.
<v Speaker 1>They they took something that was un screw up a
<v Speaker 1>ball and they screwed it up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's the thing of like what what don't
<v Speaker 2>people like about Overwatch two in a broad sense the
<v Speaker 2>fact that it's free to play, like the changes they've
<v Speaker 2>made to the structure because of that. So yeah, no,
<v Speaker 2>I have I do have more faith in the jone
<v Speaker 2>games on This is someone who hasn't played Concord, but
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I guess I agree with you guys. Again,
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that it is the way it is, like
<v Speaker 1>premium paid thing that gives me more confidence just for
<v Speaker 1>what I like in these games. I it's it's so
<v Speaker 1>hard to tell if it'll catch on, and these betas
<v Speaker 1>are giving me, you like an idea of like the
<v Speaker 1>players latch onto it doesn't oough to where they're pre
<v Speaker 1>ordering this game now as they speak, or if there
<v Speaker 1>you know, is anyone going to show up for what
<v Speaker 1>is it? And the launches in that far away was
<v Speaker 1>like two weeks away something like that. It's like August,
<v Speaker 1>so it's not that much time between now and then.
<v Speaker 1>But like all those players that played come back that
<v Speaker 1>they like, they're weird, they're like big push ins, narrative
<v Speaker 1>enough to like I want to know more about Linux
<v Speaker 1>and also shoot people in the face. So yeah, that'll
<v Speaker 1>be that'll be a very fun or like interesting one
<v Speaker 1>to kind of track if this winds up being like
<v Speaker 1>a ah or just like, oh my god, we've got
<v Speaker 1>another hell Diver sue on our hands, folks.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll see. I'm I don't know if I'm rooting
<v Speaker 3>for it like I'm always let me rephrase that, I'm
<v Speaker 3>always rooting for games to do well. I never want
<v Speaker 3>a game to fail, but I'm optimistic about this one,
<v Speaker 3>but I don't. But at the same time, I don't
<v Speaker 3>know if it's one that I'm like gonna make time
<v Speaker 3>in my schedule to play necessarily. But it's also just
<v Speaker 3>not my genre really, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of like I liked what I played,
<v Speaker 1>but I have no skin in that game where I
<v Speaker 1>liked it enough where like, man, I hope this does
<v Speaker 1>well because I want to keep playing more of it.
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of just like, yeah, observing, like, oh, this
<v Speaker 1>will be interesting to see how people take it, as
<v Speaker 1>I will see.
<v Speaker 3>I hope it does well because I want the people
<v Speaker 3>who worked on it to have a satisfying like experience
<v Speaker 3>of like, we worked really hard on this and it
<v Speaker 3>went well. But I'm but I'm not rooting for it
<v Speaker 3>in the same and the sense of like, I hope
<v Speaker 3>it does well because I want to be able to
<v Speaker 3>jump into server at any time and play.
<v Speaker 1>Sure. Yeah, ant of you guys heard that thundercrack by
<v Speaker 1>the way, it's it's it's going down outside, So I
<v Speaker 1>should probably run out there immediately and go get some
<v Speaker 1>of that. Because it is the end of the show. Everybody,
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for watching. Yes, Kyle, want to
<v Speaker 1>go out and get struck by lightning? Was that not clear?
<v Speaker 3>I would prefer you not watch that.
<v Speaker 2>A story you'd read about four it'side to gather lightning?
<v Speaker 1>Please? I was I was clearly referencing powder the movie Powder.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Charles, do you know what the movie Powder is?
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the thing, John mulaney makes a joke referencing
<v Speaker 2>Powder from.
<v Speaker 3>The movie Powder.
<v Speaker 2>That's the extent of my knowledge of Powder.
<v Speaker 1>I think, is Kyle, is Powder worth going back to watch?
<v Speaker 1>Should Charles go watch Powder today?
<v Speaker 3>No? There's there's so many better old movies that I'm
<v Speaker 3>sure Charles hasn't seen Power.
<v Speaker 2>Wait, so wait, can does Powder go outside to collect
<v Speaker 2>the John mulaney joke is I went up, I went
<v Speaker 2>outside about as much as Powder from the movie Powder. Q.
<v Speaker 3>Laughter Que.
<v Speaker 2>So I assume Powder was this shuting that would never
<v Speaker 2>go outside. Now you're telling me powder collects lighting.
<v Speaker 1>Marcus.
<v Speaker 3>I believe he gets superpowers after being struck by lightning,
<v Speaker 3>but not like not like comic book movie style.
<v Speaker 1>But not in a cool way.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not in a cool way like we're medically worried
<v Speaker 3>about this. This uh this, he's.
<v Speaker 1>Now very sick.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but wait, is that superpowers? Or just regularly get his.
<v Speaker 1>Body reacts to electricity different from what I remember I've
<v Speaker 1>granted I've not seen the movie, so I was a
<v Speaker 1>kid in the nineties, but I used to come on
<v Speaker 1>HBO quite often. I just remember the ending where he
<v Speaker 1>becomes lightning.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he has like electrical powers or something, but he's sick.
<v Speaker 1>He's like a white He kind of looks like Voldemort
<v Speaker 1>if he was a child, Yeah, but still had his nose.
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of got like that complexion, like where he
<v Speaker 1>pasty and bold.
<v Speaker 3>Oh you know, I can see the reflection in your glasses. Charles.
<v Speaker 3>It looks like you're actively buying powder on voodoo dot
<v Speaker 3>com so you can watch it right away. Is that
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 2>What's crazy is both my hands are in frame, but
<v Speaker 2>I have a second mouse and keyboard down by my
<v Speaker 2>feet through which I'm doing this act.
<v Speaker 1>So you got one of those foot pedals directed Powder.
<v Speaker 1>Let me see, Powder came out in nineteen ninety five.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I can be both googled powders or
<v Speaker 1>like Globlin was in powder. That's right?
<v Speaker 2>Who who plays Powder? Who's the titular powder?
<v Speaker 3>Sean the Boondocks Saints yeah, Yeah, one of yeah from
<v Speaker 3>the director of Jeepers Creepers and Jeepers Creepers.
<v Speaker 1>To apparently the film was a financial success.
<v Speaker 3>Man back then so much do some weird stuff.
<v Speaker 1>It got mixed reviews, but it made money, which is
<v Speaker 1>really weird even for nineteen ninety five. That would be
<v Speaker 1>the one where like, oh yeah, people really wanted to
<v Speaker 1>see this lightning kid get sick.
<v Speaker 3>We didn't have have you know, we were trying to
<v Speaker 3>make do with Batman, and we're like, this is the
<v Speaker 3>closest thing to a superhero movie that we got. We
<v Speaker 3>can't be waiting around for Batman Forever.
<v Speaker 1>The Night and well at least not till wait Batman
<v Speaker 1>Forever already came out. At that point, it was it
<v Speaker 1>ninety five. I thought maybe forever. It was like ninety
<v Speaker 1>six or something. Oh no, same year.
<v Speaker 3>Mary Steinbergin's in this too that.
<v Speaker 2>I hope for the this episode of the Game Former
<v Speaker 2>show where we make the thumbnail, I hope Powder from
<v Speaker 2>Powder is the biggest character in the little lineup.
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell Lay like, we really got into Powder.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, can you make sure that's in the
<v Speaker 1>head to.
<v Speaker 3>Lay who when I give her requests like that. She's
<v Speaker 3>always kind of like sure whatever, man like, doesn't ask
<v Speaker 3>a lot of questions.
<v Speaker 1>All right, lay one of our desires, by the way.
<v Speaker 1>For listeners, alright, let's get out of here and I
<v Speaker 1>guess let's go have a Powder Watch party. How they sound, guys, Wow,
<v Speaker 1>it's good. All right, Thanks for listening. Guys. We'll see
<v Speaker 1>you next Thursday for another episode of the Game and
<v Speaker 1>Warmer Show. Bye bye.