Bengals-Browns MNF Recap + Top 6 RBs in the NFL right now

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Speaker 1: Alex Brissette for the two flexions out wid the right directs with two extra one the touchdown, PI wich up? Who sit? Here's Chubble got a touchdown? True touchdown? Tell me where everything is coming up Cleveland at least on Monday night football? And the Calves are doing great. To the Browns rock the Bengals thirty two to thirteen. This was a blowout. I can't believe it. Jacoby Brissette goes for to seventy eight and a touchdown. Nick Chubb with two touchdowns on the ground and a hundred in one yards and the Browns just pushed around the Bengals. And who better to talk about a bad Bengals game with then Nick Westling. Oh, Nick, I had you on, you know, hoping to uh have like a celebratory atmosphere here with your Bengals on a little bit of a role. You were highly confident going into this game, and uh now we're stuck in this spot where it's a little awkward to be frank. Oh, I really wasn't that confident after Chase was at I almost give the want long right now the first time as like an official guest, of course, Nick, as you know Chris Uh. If you're new to the show, Chris Westling are our our longtime friends, host UH and host of the show, and I'm in the Chris Wesley podcast studio. Nick's uh his brother, his best man at his wedding, so you're not just a brother, but a special brother. They're all special. But he liked to you know he Nick likes to put himself above the rest, so I will too. I'm gonna talk about the Browns first. Nick. I know that's weird because you're a Bengals fan, but I've gotten into this bad habit of you know, sometimes it's been a bit of a curse where the guest is a fan of the looting the losing team, or covers the losing team, or I'm a fan of the Patriots and we're I don't want to look past what the real story was on the winning side here, which was the Browns kind of showing up. They have players Miles Garrett, Nick Chubb, Jacoby Brissette certainly had his best game um in a while, and then a Marii Cooper had a night. And you watch them play like this, and I know they're three and five, and you kind of believe Okay, maybe they can stick around long enough for Deshaun Watson to actually be part of a playoff race when he gets back. Yeah, the Browns, I've been waiting for this performance. Um, they have players. And when you when Jacoby Prisette has a clean pocket, he can make throws. And he showed it tonight again. When the pocket wasn't clean, he wasn't that good, and when it was, he was able to pick the Bengals apart. Right. A lot of that obvious. Obviously a lot of that has to do with Nick Chubb running it down their throat and Kareem getting involved, probably for the first time this year in a in a meaningful way for a whole game. But if you can do that, then make some noise, right. But you know, Jacoby Procents played pretty well this year on balance. The difference tonight was like the defense played well. So Jacoby percent did have his one kind of head scratching play where he tried to throw the ball even though he's clearly going to be sacked and it winded up being called a fumble. It was kind of it was an interception, but they called it a fumble. But either way, he just needs to eat that ball and he always tries to make one or two plays too many. But when you do protect him and when you can run the ball, but more importantly, when you can play defense, uh, he's gonna be fine. They've been an above average offense, it's been their defense. It's been the problem all year and I just don't understand why they dominate the Bengals like this. This is five straight wins for the Kevin Stefanski Brown's over your Zach Taylor Bengals defensively, Like, I guess it's just they have my els, Garrett. But other than that, like what, they just don't seem to have an answer. Even though the Browns aren't doing anything tricky, Zach Taylor should know what's coming. It comes down to protection for the Bengals. When they protect Borrow even a little bit, he can pick teams apart. Um. I know everyone's missing Chase and obviously he's a top five receiver in the league, and Higgins is great in his own right, but he's maybe the twentieth best receiver in the league, and there's definitely a drop off. Even though Boyd and Higgins are really good players, it's not Jamar Chiese absolutely not, absolutely not, because the Jonah Williams got torn apart in this game, and there was never any help for him. After the third time he got just beat, flat out beat and one second flat. Why wouldn't you at least give him some help, a tight end, a chip from the running back, anything, But he just kept getting beat and he wasn't the only one. It was the whole offensive line getting beat, right. I mean, when Talkie Talkie gets a sack and Tavin Bryan gets a sack and I don't even know who Thomas is. I Thomas uh got the cleanest sack where Jonah Williams didn't even touch him. That's the thing with these Jonah Williams sacks. He didn't get a hand on Garrett and and some of the Browns defenders on these places. And you say, yeah, why don't you give them help? Well they did on one of them. When Miles Garrett did that spin move, it was around Uh. I believe it was Mixing and Jonah Williams, but it might have been p Ryan. But either way, it was one of the Bengals running backs. And that gets back to just talent and clown. He didn't have a monster night but like the Browns have top shelf talent, they have a pretty good coaching staff. And you get Miles Garrett out there on Halloween, which he seems to love more than any other day of the year, and he was so confident he had like a sack celebration doing different parts of Michael Jackson's Thriller Dance, like in three parts. He knew he was going to get to the third part because he was playing the Bengals. Nick, it was it was p Ryan, thank you Graver. Yeah, he forgot something, I think. Yeah, I think Nick was just kind of waiting, even he knows that something's supposed to happen, even for that. I'm here too, Hi, Okay, I don't remember what we were talking about now, but yeah, that's that's flat talent. And then Myles Gary is gonna get his and you know that. And if he beats a double team, he beats a double team. Honestly, that's probably as much on Burrow there. He's got to be able to see that and get rid of it quicker, or at least avoid it. I don't know though some of these were quick, Oh absolutely. I think the one they had the timer on it, it was less than a second he got hit. They're trying to set up a screen and um, I can't remember if it was the center of the right guard for the Bengals, but he just let the defensive tackle come right in and hit Burrow. You got at least get a hand on him. And that was towards the end of the game, when it was already settled. But it's the Bengals mistakes tonight too, starting with the opening kickoff, bringing it out of the end zone. They get hit, you know, get tackled at the fourteen yard line. We mentioned Jonah Williams and and his his problems missed field goal when they had an opportunity to cut it before halftime. After the Brissette mistake you were talking about, Um, you know McPherson, who's usually reliable mrs a field goal. Later in the game, he misses an extra point. Now, I don't know if any of this would have mattered in the overall scheme of things, but you can't make the kind of mistakes they were making expect to win. The weird thing is, up until that late twelve men on the field penalty. They had one penalty for one yard of the Bengals, and they were still getting dominated, and that was on the extra point that they had twelve men again, Oh my god. I mean, that's the thing that's coaching. Like This is why I never gave Zach Taylor much credit for last year's run. I just thought it was players. For the most part. When you have an offensive line that hasn't played well for four straight years, it's on the coach because offensive line is about coaching. It's not about just pure talent. Yeah, if you drafted Joe Thomas, he'd be Joe Thomas. But when you're trying to pick up Ted Carriss and you're you're making these other moves that are just like mid level moves guys that were okay Alex Cappa elsewhere. Those guys are just guys that other offensive line coaches and other coaches make into quality parts of a good offensive line. But here they are. We're in Week eight. They entered tonight nine in pass block win rate according to ESPN. Bengals fans that convinced themselves that they were getting better last couple of weeks. I watched those games. They weren't getting better. They just overcame it and they got rid of the ball a little quicker tonight. They tried some more seven step seven step drops that didn't like work at all, And to me that that comes back to coaching at a certain point. If you're running backs can't figure out who to block like that, that's coaching at a certain point. And credit to Cleveland for having better players. But Troy Aikman said it, I don't think they were doing anything too complicated there. They were there, guys were just winning. Yeah, it's amazing what football sometimes comes down to. When the offensive line or defensive line is dominating the other side, you can't win the football game. And that's the way it's always been and it's all the way it always will be, no matter who's on your outside, no matter who your quarterback is, if there's a guy in his face, he's not gonna win, right And in Jacoby precent rarely had guys in his face. Trey Hendrickson took a shot to the back slash ribs at some point looked like he might have had an injury there. He played through it, but that looked like a broken rib if I ever saw one. They didn't announce anything, uh, Todobi a Woozier left with an apparently serious injury. You sent me a picture of him in a pretty heavy duty cast. That would be a brutal loss if that term turns into a long term injury. He is their best cornerback by far. And there in the Bengals defensive line, while they started the night pretty good holding up against the run, there wasn't enough pass rush pressure. And that's because the Browns have a really great offensive line. When I said that the Browns have players and they have assets, it's like Garrett chub Cooper made a great catch on a deep ball and some other nice plays uh and got opened throughout the night. And then the offensive line I consider like better than all of those as one player. When you have that good of an offensive line, you could have a top ten offense with Jacobi Pricett as your quarterback. And that's what they've managed to do. So they're at three and five, they enter the bye week, and then they come out of it with two pretty tough games against Miami, UH and Buffalo. They also have the Bucks and the Texans before Watson comes back. Give me a Brown's record after those four games before Watson come back, I think they can go three and four. I mean I would if it was anabling man, I would probably say two and two. Yeah, you figure they're gonna drop one of those, one of those games. I mean Tampa Bay is still I don't know what their deal is. Who knows, but um um the Texans, they don't have much fight in them. In in the Dolphins, I don't know. They're hit or me this week to week. Just like every other team. It seems all these middling teams that four and three and four and four, that they're all the same teams, all have annepted that the Bengals are there though, because they are four. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I want to let you in on a little secret, Greg, I've never been a Bengals fan. I'm still not a Bengals fan. I like the team last year because they were fun um, but I wasn't like Chris. I never disliked them. I just was kind of I'd like to see him doing such a Now you you said that, and now you're right. I do. Remember we were at the Super Bowl last year. As one of the great things, uh, the NFL's done to help Lakisha get you guys all those tickets, uh and its one of the coolest things ever. Uh. And some of your brothers are living and dying with the Bengals, certainly Eddie. I think Tim was quite you know, was was was very into it. And then some like you, you were saying, I'm not really a Bengals fan. I'm just wearing this like old Bengals jersey from twenty years ago. And I've just lived in Cincinnati my whole life, and I just grew up a Bengals fan. But I'm not really a Bengals fan. I borrowed that Jeff Blake jersey from one Hilarry's friends, so I should tell you about it. I'm actually I changed out of it earlier. I was wearing the only Bengals gear when I unzipped my jacket the other day on the long that's the only piece of Bengals gear I own. Alright, mother in law got that for us. But you, uh, you know, you work, you you're a you're a you know, you're a real working man here. You would win when the common man rankings, I believe, and I could see that your your fingers are all cut up because you work at a dying an establishment, right bar bar a restaurant, and isn't the bar restaurant more successful? Everyone's happier when the Bengals are winning. Don't you want your town to be happy? You know? Of course not the four and four coming off of a Super Bowl and just getting waxed by the Browns for the fifth grade time. Yes, watching the city come alive last year was unbelievable and in The Bengals have had a lot of loyal fans over the years too. I mean, they've went through about as bad as it gets, along with the Browns probably, I think those would be the two. I think Danny's update is is sadness rankings or whatever you call them, the pain ranking pain rankings, Yeah, factory of sadness, whatever you wanna call it. Um, this is more of the Bengals nonsense though. This is the stuff they were doing when they were more a bun or below average. But I just can't get over the play calling pertend action. Early on, I thought Mixon looked like he had a little juice. In that first series, they got on the ball in space a couple of times, he made a couple of guys miss and then he didn't get the ball again. It seemed like until the second half, and he hasn't been great this year, but when he's had a little bit of room to run, he's had some juice. And I don't know why they completely abandoned it when when he's he's there, especially if you can't protect, you gotta find a way to get him the ball, right. I think they look at it like running unsuccessfully. He's not a good idea. And I do understand that he hasn't looked like he had as much juice in general this year. You're right. They tried to get him involved in the passing game and he made a couple of plays early and they went away from it. It's a it's a little bit of a dosa reality here, life without Jamaar Chase because I'm just thinking about that meme that was going around when they drafted Jamar Chase, and it was like, should you take Penai Su or should you take Jamar Chase? Because like, will Joe Burrow have time to throw it uh to Chase or is he gonna get knocked over first? Or if Sewel's there, is he gonna you know, have time to throw it, but throw to lesser receivers Tonight, like you needed that protection. But I think they obviously made the right choice. I'm sort of being glib here, but they just haven't solved this problem, and I don't really see a particular reason to believe that it will get any better this season or even while Zach Taylor is their coach, unless they just make insanely good draft picks. And Jonah Williams was a top ten pick and he's one of, if not their biggest problems. The schedule does ease up, they have the Panthers next, and then to buy like, you couldn't create a better set up really than than those two weeks. And then you have games at Pittsburgh in Tennessee and you hope maybe Jamaar Chase can can get back around that point so so they can hang around. But it was kind of a mind er just this is the NFL ino Like any team can has the potential to just have their week, like the Saints had their week this week, Nick, and they just blow out and and and and you look at the Saints you're like, oh, that actually makes sense that they are capable of that. And you look at the Browns and you think, oh, that makes sense that they're capable of that. But unfortunately, the Bengals are defending an f C champions and they have Joe Burrow, who to me is the top five quarterback, and the expectations should be higher. And it's hard not to look at them and see them as a solid number two behind Baltimore in my mind when I look at the two schedules and I look at the two rosters, do you feel that way? Uh, that game in Baltimore could have gone either way. I think it's before them. But the Bengals blue games early. Um, they could easily have one loss right now or two. Um, you know that first game against But everyone could say that the Browns could say that they could be seven and one. They are they these two teams are those in that mix. Although this is a game where the Bengals could not say they should have won like this. This this was a humbling night of how are we going to fix our offense without Chase and with this offensive line and now what's going on on the defense where our run defense and you know, everything is a little shaky. Oh, it's like he's like, oh, it's like a better change, my polo. I don't know why he pressed the button that I care. I enjoyed it. It's a Zach Taylor. It's about Zach Taylor. Zach. Yeah, I can't remember my own bits at this point. So, uh, the Bengals run defense hasn't been the same since DJ Reader has been out and then they lost uh Josh tupo Um who also was a pretty good run blocker or run stuffer. Um. Now they're out without Now Eli Apple will be back. We don't know what happened with Flowers. Looks like a hamstring towards Flowers. Another cornerback, Yeah, I got hurt. So they were playing their first round, say the Daxton Hill at cornerback, along with their second round cornerback Taylor Britt and a Woozia. If that's a long term injury, that's as valuable as a guy. So yeah, they have defensive issues. The problem now becomes when all these really good players it injured the average players like Von Bell getting burned on that deep ball to Amari Cooper. He was in position and he was lazy. He started jogging thinking there was no way he was going to get thrown over the top, and they complete a fifty yard pass down into the tin that was a beautiful throw by Jacoby. It's a beautiful Cobe can do those those guy HARKing bombs like Russell Wilson and you're like, okay, that's why he got taken in the second round when he was the starter for the Colts that one year he made it out as the best deep ball passer in the NFL. That he's great at it. Yeah, And we we've talked about set possibly being a good quarterback in the past. I don't know if you remember our text messages. Probably not. We we go back and forth. So off on, you mean your brother, Your brother loved the Jacoby Brissette experience on the Colts and he was good. He has it, just has a ceiling. He's okay. And like I said, when he's protected, he's he's a good quarterback. And if the Browns play like this, and I know it was a wounded dangles team in a in a and on the other side, the Bengals were awful on offense, but they could potentially get in the mix and in the North as well. Um the Steelers that I don't believe in them at all. I don't know what they're doing. And I still think the Ravens have flalls and obviously the Bengals have huge flalls. Um, I think the Browns could make some noise. They got players they did. They entered tonight with the number eight offense according to d v o A that should go up. Offense is more consistent. Their defense had a nice night, like hopefully they could build off that. They have more upside than almost any three and five team in the lead League. So Browns fans, I know, we spent a lot of time on the Bengals, but you found like you're looking like you have a second receiver in Donovan People's jones. Maybe you trade Cream Hunt. That's fine. Uh, you know who you are. And I don't feel like this season is done. At one point in this game, they were leading the Bengals and yardage four fifteen to one sixty three. I think occasionally, uh they get out coached there, you know, by a guy like Bill Belichick. Like that happens to them, but they don't have to worry about that when they play Zach Taylor. That four fifteen three looked worse than that, right, I would have guessed five eighty at that point it Browns did anything they wanted on both sides of the ball the whole game. The Bengals in the first half actually were daring them to pass, and they contain the run really well until uh that touchdown drive. Wream I'm sorry, um Um Chubb ran it in and pretty much ran it down their thirst the whole whole drive. In the second half, it was a different story. And I have a question for you, why do we assume DeShawn Watson when he comes back, is suddenly gonna be as great as he was. He hasn't played football in two years, and I don't We'll get to that, certainly as the weeks get closer. I don't assume that Deshaun Watson will immediately be an upgrade from where Jacoby Bris said is obviously you're playing Deshaun Watson and that's the play on long term, and obviously he's played at a much higher level in his career. But considering the break that he had, and I think what he has to prove, just what a difficult situation um he put himself in and in the Browns organization, it's going to be a different season when he returns, and I have my doubts how he can handle that, because when he tried to play in the preseason. He looked like he had never played football before. And so at the very least, there's rust and I think there's a lot to overcome and the country will be rooting against the Browns. They're not really right now when Bursetts in there, like I've lost my antimpathy for them, Like I'm I still am mad at that decision that they made as an organization. But when he's not out there, it's sort of okay, this is a different team. But when he's out there, he they're gonna be the least popular team in the league. Yeah, a month from now, I'll hate them. Yeah, me too, that's my analysis on that. But for now, um, for now, they're they're happy. They gotta win. This had to remind you of some dark days as Bengals fans. I know you gave them up, sort of us, Chris gave them up. Do you have any Do you have any? Before we get to the top six list, And I should have mentioned tonight because it's Nick Chubb out there, I thought, let's do top six pure runners in the NFL right now, just pure runners. I'm not talking about like the receiving game. Pure runners in the NFL. Nick Chubb, He's on the list. Before we get to that, though, just do you have any uh do you have any like Chris or Westling Brothers sort of Bengals connected memories from your childhood. I don't know if you guys like went too many games or anything like that, or just watching games and fighting over the you know, the piece of raw steak that that that your dad sent to you down the stairs. You know during the games. That's a that's a fun bit because you know who would you know, look at me, you know who would have won that one? Um anyway? Anyway, uh No, the only game I remember going to as a as a kid was the the eight Super Bowl year the Bengals started, I think six or seven and know that year and they were playing the Jets, which Dan was on here to hear this, but they just laid it on the Jets that year, and I almost became a Bengals fan. But at that time, I didn't really know much about football and I didn't care much about football. And then what really sealed it with me for the Bengals is I this is just all the kids at home that we should teach you not to gamble, but I got two dollars that the Bengals will win the Super Bowl and ainst the forty miners, and uh and I lost that two dollars and I you know, after that, I was never in on him again. Could you remember, Oh my god, what was Chris? It was a good time to get out, by the way, what was Chris like in that time? Like as a fan? Because I can only imagine considering the dossier that he built up, um detailing all the reasons he decided to divorce the Bengals. I have to imagine at that age where he was, you know, in high school around at that point or you know that it was a it was a passionate marriage, a passionate fandom. Yeah, he would have been in eighth or ninth grade at that time, but yeah, he he loved the Bengals for the next five or six years. Mid nineties is when he started to sour on them. And by the end of the nineties, turning the millennium, he was way out on I know, ownership, it's ownership that was the whole thing. And I do think, I don't know, I want to believe because they have Joe Burrow, they have Joe Burrow. So everything's gonna be okay. And as long as you have an elite quarterback, you're always a contender. All you need is something to go right or for him to get hot. And that's what happened last year. Now, I'll tell you this, like he may have got them to the playoffs, but that defense got him to the super Bowl. And I'm questioning that defense now without some of these superstars and some of these average players suddenly aren't gonna look very good. I think, uh, in the scheme isn't gonna work quite as well when you don't have the elite players. I think that's right. And uh, when I think about ownership, I don't think like things are gonna go south. They're gonna be contenders, and I think they'll make the playoffs this year. I just think of how long Marvin Lewis was there, and I think Marvin Lewis did a good job on balance, as Solomon Solomon Wilcox like to say he raised the Titanic, uh compared to where they were before. But I can just imagine Zach Taylor in year eleven, and uh, they win some of these wild card games that Andy Dalton couldn't win and maybe they get to some a conference championship here there, but the offensive line still there and they're just loyal to Zach Taylor and that they're ever quite fulfilling their potential. I hope that's not what's going to happen, but I think that's where ownership might have to think. Is this the guy we want with Joe Burrow for the rest of his career? We will see. Let's talk running backs. One more question. It's just yes or no. If Joe Burrow was on those teams instead of Andy Dalton, do they win playoff games? Of course, what are you talking about? Probably they probably win a Super Bowl, that's what do you Yeah, I don't know about winning the Super Bowl, but they would make it pretty far. They could have been in the mix. Those teams were better than last year's Bengals teams, at least a few of them were, certainly so. The offensive line certainly, but I think the coaching was better, uh, on both sides. But I know too hard on this back. Okay, six pure runners best pure runners in the NFL right now, and I'm basing this on this season alone. So this was really painful. It's like when people make these thos, oh, he's the top five running back. It's like you just like to say, at and then you have to look at the list and think about the players you're not including. Uh, and it's very difficult. Here are some players that aren't even on this list. Austin Ekeler is not on this list. Dalvin Cook, who I think could be the best running back in the league. I'm saying for this season when I'm trying to make this list, and and then and you'll hear these names, tell me who you would put him on over he didn't quite make it. Joe Mixon definitely didn't make it this year. He's not running that well, but normally he could be in that mix. Um, all right, I had I think I had a tie at six because I had too many. Uh, tie it sex. I can't make a list and not put Alvin Kamara on there. And then I tied him with Aaron Jones. Uh, your brother one of your brother's favorite runners. And even if you take his receiving out of the mix. As a pure runner, those two guys are are just incredible. Any problems with them, I don't have problems with either one of them. Well, here's the thing. You're not gonna have problems because all these players are so good. But I'll give you the whole list, and then and then we can uh talk about the whole list, and then we'll we'll say goodbye. Uh. Josh Jacobs is next for me on the list. The way he just has earned it. He breaks more tackles I think than anyone in the league in terms of making that first guy miss. He's earned it. Sae Quon Barkley is there. Of course, he can do everything, but now he's more decisive and when he makes his cuts, he's always moving forward and he's just better at it. I think he's a different player than he was as a rookie. I'm probably gonna forgetting forgetting someone here, but Derrick Henry is now next, and he was at number one on my list. Maurice Jones drew who I do Monday Night Football's with on Channel five. He convinced me Derrick Henry has to be number one because there's no one in the NFL that can do what he can, no one that you can put an entire offense on for a month at a time, and he's just going to carry you and that's a pretty strong argument. But you know, tonight it was the Browns night, and I want to give the number one slot to Nick Chubb because if my children's life depended on it, and someone told me, you need someone to get you four yards on this play or six yards on this play, and you could pick one running back, who are you gonna pick? I am taking Nick Chubb. And he had nothing super flashy about it. But it's the vision, it's the patient. It's waiting until he can see a hole and then as he's cutting, he's moving forward as he's cutting and he gets what's there and he gets a little extra Nick Chubb and Browns fans Monday night, this is your super Bowl. That's it. I honestly, I am not going to argue with it as a bias Titans fan. I came into the studio when you said this list, and I told you, I think Nick Chubb is the best running back Derrick Henry has. Now last year he got hurt, but the durability to handle the workload that he handles, and you have people arguing on Twitter all the time like, oh, if this running back had as many carry Derrick Henry, he couldn't do. But that's the whole point. You know, those running backs can't handle thirty two carries in a game and continue the efficiency that Henry does. But what you just said is true, Like there are some plays where Henry gets hit in the backfield by a guy that he should break the tackle on and he just doesn't always break that tackle and it's like a four yard loss and the whole drive is killed for the Titans. That doesn't really happen in Nick Chubb. So I agree with you. I think Nick Chubb is the best pure runner. That list is fair, and if I was picking a team or picking one to build a team around, I'd probably take Henry. But when I look at rationally, Nick Chubb's the best running back in the league. I just want to be able. I just want to be able to beat people in the submission and my and especially in the North. You can't get wrong with Chubb or Henry, but I wanna I hate to say it, but Henry is gonna beat up the defense and they're gonna get worn down and they're gonna lose, potentially lose games in the future and put me in a better pause should be get home field advantage in the playoffs. If you have Henry that's the only difference, I think. And he runs so hard, Oh my god, he just slow. He's been slalloming through people. I I think you're looking great. But this felt like the Browns night. And that was only six players. By the way, I guess Dalvin Cook was gonna be my tied for six guy, but I had integrity. I kept the list at six. But Dalvin Cook fans, you know that he would have been seven. Graver wants to talk. Where's Jonathan Taylor this season? You know he's not there in the game losing fumble on Sunday. That's what I mean. E t n is not on this list either, and I'm not saying he's in that category yet, but in terms of what he's doing right now week after week, like Damian Pierce could be there, they haven't. There's just so many good running backs. Sorry, I thought Nick was gonna just yell at me and argue just for the same I mean, it's Lebron Lebron, you know Jordan's style. I mean, you know that was me having more fun than anything with that argument because I know it would get a rise out of Chris. But uh, you know it is what it is. I really can't argue. And with running backs, it's all a matter of style and preference, pure pure running football. Um, I can't really argue with those top seven. You could put Dalvin Cook instead of Jones. Whatever it's it's I'll take either one of them on my team. I uh, I would take Nick on my team. I uh I uh. You know, have this picture and with Dan and all the Wesleyan brothers at the super Bowl, and we just like, we look so out of place because Dan and I are just clearly like you guys all look just like the wesley brothers and then there are similar features in the middle. And I love it. And uh, I love that you're still part of the show every week, locking up the wrong team week after week for the man Cincinnati Zoo. I mean, what's our magic number to eliminate you? Right now? I think I think we're almost there. You the Browns have a much better chance of making the playoff than you do winning this lot competition. I'm just happy you weren't the whimp this week. And it was the other three that took the six point favorites this week and not you. See, you took a good game. Titans were only two and a half game. Actually, you don't even look at the stats when you're making things up, and that was actually a pick them by game time the Texas game because Malik Willis was starting. But you're right, do you care what it was? Everybody in the world the Titans were winning that game. You hit out at me all week that I only take big favorites while you're taking. By the way, you took a bigger favorite this week and the Bengals. Then I took in the Seahawks and Gino came through. All right, that was Monday Night football. Great job by the Bengals, great job by Nick Westling, great job by Grave Digger. We will be back on Tuesday with Colleen Wolf and are regularly scheduled week of shows on we go week nine. Can you believe we're here? We're not halfway though, there's eighteen weeks when we're weak for that. Until then, you know what to do, Nick, say, oh, he's a pul