Hour 2 – Questions About Fernando Mendoza, Dan Orlovsky

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Speaker 2: On this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Ets Dan Patrick Show, Dan Orlofsky for the Mothership will stop by. A lot of coaching vacancies. We'll try to fill those vacancies. John Harbaugh what's next for him? He'll have his pick and maybe have his pick of a team where your head coach may not be your head coach next year, but we'll talk about that coming up. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Eight seven to seven to three DP Show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your calls. Good morning. If you're watching us on Peacock and NBC Sports Network, Tony Dungee will stop by as well. Zero talk about the playoff games coming up this weekend. And that's okay. The NFL is fine with this. You had black Monday coaches getting fired. Then on Tuesday the Cowboys fire their defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, and then all of a sudden, the bomb dropped that the Ravens were parting ways with John Harbaugh. I don't know what happens the rest of the week, but we might get to Thursday and start talking about the games that come up this weekend and great games coming up this weekend. Now, you do have the one potential blowout with the Rams against the Panthers, but everything else is kind of in that three points, two points, one and a half points spreads there. Yes, Ton, and I know.

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Speaker 3: The Redial season is different than the playoffs, but the Rams already lost to the Panthers before we put the Rams into the next round.

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Speaker 4: So fast, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Ton, welcome. That's Todd Selliman and they lost at Carolina. Here we go, and the Rams defensive coordinator Chris Shula is the odds on favorite right now according to bet online, to be the next head coach of the Ravens. Who would have thought Chris Shula he went to college with Sean McVay. Oh, the Sean McVay trees go. Do you know somebody who baby sits for Sean McVay may end up being a head coach one day. Now, the pizza guy who's delivering to Shawn's house, now he knows Sean McVay. How does he know him? He delivered pizza? There's male man. But Chris Shulett. I think he's been with the Rams since twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 5: Paul, Yes, he started as outside linebackers coach in seventeen. But your last name is Shula. You went to college of Sean McVay. You're destined to be a coach. It's like a the skids are.

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Speaker 2: Greased and you're the grandson of the former Baltimore Colts head coach Don Shula. It's all falling right into place here, right into place. And we talked to a Raven's reporter who said that ownership is not afraid to go and hire somebody with a thin resume. Keep in mind John Harball was his special teams coach and not necessarily going after the big name. Here's a name that hasn't come up. I haven't seen any odds on this guy getting a head coaching job at Mike McCarthy. It feels like Mike McCarthy. It didn't help going to Dallas, but what he did in Green Bay, I mean he was every bit Sean Payton. And Sean Payton is recognized as one of the best coaches in football. But Mike McCarthy, he had a Super Bowl, eight Division titles, six with Green Bay two with Dallas, he wins sixty percent of his games. Harball wins sixty one percent of his games. Mike tomins sixty two percent of his games. They all have one Super Bowl title. I don't know if Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy's lack of personality, personality I think hurts him, like he's just not good in front of people. I think we like that guy who is got to quip, he's got a comment. He can be snarky, sarcastic, like something there. Mike McCarthy was just like you could be his neighbor and not know what he did for a living and be like, he's out there probably with you a Hawaiian shirt, shorts on water in the lawn. Ike, what do you do? Oh, I coach the Packers, get out of here. We kind of want that coach who man, he looks dashing, he's young. Look at these guys like Stefanski, Cliff Kingsbury, Matt lafleur Man, they look great, they got nice haircuts. Sean McVay, Oh great, McCarthy. He's like old school. But I wonder if he gets an opportunity with these coaching vacancies yes, Paul.

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Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy in five years in Dallas had twelve won twelve games three different times. I have a theory that guys like Sean McCarthy and the other coach of the Cowboys should get more credit than they did because they had to coach under that regime where you don't have a traditional GM and traditional system in place, so you go in underwater. I know they spend, but I think they should get more credit.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're going there to get credit, then you're going to the wrong place. You can't go in there going Wait a minute, nobody's noticing me, Like if you do, you shouldn't go there, or you shouldn't be asking for attention. You're not getting it. You're going to get blamed. You're not going to get credit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it seems like they're the only team in the league that doesn't have an objective general manager running the show for personnel. And now you have to go to your owner when you want something done, and that the whole reason the general manner is there to prevent an owner who doesn't know football as well to make decisions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this isn't changing.

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Speaker 5: I guess what I'm saying is that the coach of Dallas is going in underwater when he starts that job, going in with a head start everyone else's head start.

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Speaker 2: Well, nobody's turning the job down, So you know that's buyer beware if you're taking that job. Seaton Poll question for hour two is going to be what, yeah, we got up there right now?

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Speaker 6: Who is in a better position, John Harbaugh or the Baltimore Ravens right now? John Harbaughs still with a pretty good lead on that. Okay, I don't know if people I'm reading through some of the comments, there's a lot of question marks about Lamar's ability to win a big game.

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Speaker 2: Well, guess absolutely, But how much is that on the coaching staff? It always feels like they become one dimensional in the in the playoffs for some reason. And is that on Harball? Is that on the offensive coordinator? How much is this is on Lamar? You can change coaches, you still don't change your opinion of what you need to see from Lamar Jackson. I mean, he's going to be a Hall of Famer, but you know you're going to have a career where you go. You know, you've won three of your eight playoff games.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it always seems like in big games, the ravens at someone somewhere really important, something very important, goes away from their He's like, why aren't they running the ball anymore? Where's Derek Henry? Why did they just throw the ball eight street times? Why did they just do what was that? It's like, Oh, you think we're going to run the ball.

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Speaker 2: No we're not.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like they're out smarting themselves or something.

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Speaker 2: David in Ohio, Hi.

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Speaker 7: David, Hey Dan, speaking of your new sponsored dude wipes. I think Darry Jones is going to need some dude wipes after he eber flushed his defensive coordinator down the toilet.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, David. The Weekly Cowboy Roast With our Daily Cowboy Roast with David, we'll talk to Dan Orlovsky about this coming up. Also, as a former quarterback, we look at quarterbacks the previous year and we go man, that guy next year in the draft, and then we get to that next year in the draft, and now there's only two quarterbacks that are going to be taken in the first round. You can go back to last year and they probably was five or six first round quarterbacks. But you know, Caid Klubnik, nuss Meyer, Lenor Sellers, you know, even Ty Simpson in Alabama, you know you it was like, oh my god, next year's class is always better than the current class. And then here we are with Fernando Mendoza and Dante Moore. I don't know how good they are, but they're going to be elevated because they're the best of this year's quarterbacks. And I watched Mendoza like full games, and I told you what a scout told me. Now, the scout did preface this by saying, I haven't met with him. I haven't. You know, I'll get to see him at the Combine, but I'm gonna need to see a little bit more because his numbers weren't great this year. The story was great, and he was the quarterback for one of the great stories that we've had. But if you're looking at Heisman Trophy winner stats at that position, his are just Okay, how much of this is the story and how much is Fernando Mendoza? And look, you got to ask these hard questions. Same with Dante More. He played it for bad UCLA team. Now you go to Oregon, Oregon can make you look a lot better. You got to ask these questions and not fall in love with somebody. I got to know when you know, can you process that this is what guys are going You know, hey, man, look at him, roll left and throw back fifty yards. I couldn't care less because last I look, when they do that at your pro date, nobody is rushing you, nobody is covering the wide receiver. It doesn't make any impact on me. So I want to what is it about Mendoza that stands out? Is he another Joe Flacco and that's a compliment, Like I have you said he's Joe Flacco his career, Let's take out the super Bowl, just regular season and you have that kind of career, Or he's Kirk Cousins like we always look and he go, Man, he could be just like John Elway or Tom No. No, let's don't put that label on him. But he feels like a safe pick. And in today's NFL, we've seen Trey Lance or Anthony Richardson, or you know, you're Mitch Trubisky and you think you've out smartered everybody and you have it getting a for that franchise in Vegas and you get him. He says all the right things. But I want to know what to expect from him because we like to do comps like Dante Moore. What if Oregon wins the national title? Do we look at Dante more differently than we do Fernando Mendoza, different skill set. So people who give you these mock drafts, they're not you know, with these players, you know the personality. You got to talk to their teammates, You talk to defensive coordinators who I mean, there's so much that goes into this and I've seen this happen, you know, for a long long time. Every year we do this with quarterbacks, be like, man, did you see that game? Man? Did you see that throw? The scouts they take away the clutter. They want to know exactly what's the meat of this? How good are you? What if I give you two plays? Go up on the chalkboard there, diagram it. Now, I'm going to have you change the play right now, Hey, explain to me what happened on this play when you threw this interception. That's and then you want to know. You want to know their medicals, and you're going to want to know your personality that you have. And then you do your background check on them, so before we go, oh my gosh, these guys can't miss. They can all miss, depending on where you go. If the Raiders don't have an offensive line, I don't care how good Fernando Mendoza is. He can't run away from all the pressure he's going to face. If Dante Moore goes to the Jets, say a couple of hail Mary's, because you don't know. That's why when guys fall in the first round, I always feel like they have a better chance of succeeding because they're going to a better team. Lamar Jackson went to the right team at the right time. Jalen Hurts same way. Tom Brady said to me years ago, if he went in the first round, he probably wouldn't have stayed in the league that long, his words, because he said, I wasn't ready. And that's why I know. We love the story and Indiana is an incredible story, but I don't want to fall in love with the story. And I'm I'm just asking these questions because I'm not in a position to critique as much as I am ask those questions. And there are hard questions because people are going, wait, why are you hating on Indiana. I'm not. I said, it's the modern day version of the basketball movie Hoosiers. It's been that incredible turnaround and story and hopefully Kurt Signette stays there until he retires. It's been a great story. Button You got to ask these questions because at that position, we're still I don't know if Tua can play like I can go down the list of court Kyler Murray, I don't know if you can play Kyler Murray. He couldn't miss man, look at that guy who's going to be unbelievable in the NFL, and then he's not. So you start to look and you go, why did that guy succeed? That guy didn't? And sometimes it's where you're drafted. Got an offensive line, who's your offensive coordinator, who's your head coach? What kind of stability do you have? And that's why I don't know how good Fernando Mendoza is. I mean, a great pass to beat Penn State, But why did you need a great pass to beat Penn State? You went to Oregon and won that game in Oregon that was impressive. The game against Alabama that looked like, you know, two different levels of college football, and those are big moments that you want to see.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Paulie, I'm looking back at some old drafts, and you know we talked about Sam Darnold doesn't work out in one place, almost declared a bust. Now he's in the one seed. Even a guy like Malik Willis he had a chance with the Titans. You look at him right now with the Green Bay Packers as a backup. He may get his own shop next year. He's really impressive because he's on a franchise that knows how to work with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: But you go and you're supposed to be the savior. There's no quarterback who's his savior. If I put Mahomes on Tennessee, he's a curiosity. Now he's once again he's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. But it's who you have with you basketball. You can be a savior. You can football, you can't. As great as you are, you still need a whole lot of help. And nobody would know that better than dan O Lobsky.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna compliment him.

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Speaker 2: Dan Orlovsky you can catch him on the NFL Live every weekday at for Eastern former NFL yukon Quarterback Back with Us. Good to see you, buddy. I'm gonna let you pick. You're gonna be the offensive coordinator with these openings. The best opening as an offensive coordinator is where Atlanta.

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Speaker 9: So much talent, so many weapons, a very good offensive line. I'd like to keep my offensive line coach, Dwayne Ledford, who if you talk to anybody in the NFL has done a great job down there and is one of the best offensive offensive line coaches in the NFL. I understand there's a significant question mark and void at the quarterback spot with the Michael Pennix inability to consistently perform and be on the field. What's gonna happen with Cousins. It sounds like he'll be a free agent. But Jean Robinson, Drake London, Kyle Pitts. There's just too much talent and a good offensive line.

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Speaker 2: But being a former quarterback, I would have thought the Raiders or the Giants. Now, what would spere you about the Raiders?

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Speaker 9: Ah, that's the worst roster in football. There is such a lack of talent on the football team. I mean, the only person that you can confidently say you is a trademark foundational piece is Brock Bowers, and he's outstanding.

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Speaker 10: Genti's still a.

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Speaker 9: Little bit of a question mark. We don't really know how good he is, and it's not all his fault. The offensive line was very bad. I think they'll end up trading mac crosby just for value, and so I number one pick all that there's just so many I think it's three years from now before you really get the necessary pieces to have a chance to play consistently good offensive football. I'm with you on the Giants. That would be the one that was would be very close to me. Neighbors' health, huge skataboo. I'm a huge Jackson Dart fan. I was coming out. Everyone knows that. So Atlanta is not this head and shoulders above the Giants for me. But I just think because of the pieces there and the division as.

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Speaker 2: Well, best opening right now is where probably.

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Speaker 9: The two that it was just talking about, Atlanta and New York, you know, but they're different, and it's almost like a one to eighty New York.

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Speaker 10: You have a quarterback, but you still need other pieces.

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Speaker 9: The offensive line is not good enough outside of the left tackle, and then you probably need a second or third pass catching option. Theo Johnson had some moments, but you got a quarterback. The problem is it's a general manager who has.

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Speaker 10: To win now.

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Speaker 9: He has to win now, and so it's a very short window that immediate success has to happen. Where in Atlanta I talked about those pieces, you're also as a head coach going in the same timeline as that general manager, and you're going to I think Atlanta would make sense to either Keith Kirker. I could see them adding maybe a second round draft pick at quarterback. But like you're in lockstep timeline wise with the general manager, and.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering about John Harball and or Kevin Stefanski, how much say they would have? Liam Cohen goes to Jacksonville and says, I don't want that GM. The Giants got their GM already in place. How difficult is that to sell. Let's say John Harball, hey, come in and we already have our GM.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I would imagine it's a challenge. You know that part of that is do those guys have a previous relationship?

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Speaker 10: Do they get along? Do they think they can work together?

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Speaker 9: You know this just because we're friends doesn't mean we can work together. You know what would be the plan? And I don't know if those are questions. I've never been in the situation Dan, where if John Harball wants the Giants job but wants to make sure that he protects his back with okay, if this isn't necessarily going great early on, I don't know even if you address that in interview questions with the mayor of Family. But if you're a the Mayor family in hardball, Well, what happens if you guys decide to move on from Joe Shane? Then do I get to pick the general manager? Do we have a list of people we're already planning on if that becomes the worst case scenario?

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Speaker 10: And so I do think it presents a challenging situation. Kyle.

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Speaker 9: I remember years ago went to San Francisco and then brought on John Lynch in his own you know, kind of decision. So you know, I don't Sometimes a lot is made out of that, and sometimes I don't know if.

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Speaker 10: It's as big a deal as we make it out to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, then you got the Browns situation, Like, how attractive is that job? If with ownership and you got the GM in place?

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Speaker 9: I don't find it overly attractive. I think Andrew Berry has done a nice job. I do all of us analysts can't talk out of the both sides of our mouths. We have, for it feels four or five years now, talked about the Browns and said, man, this is such a good, young, talented roster if they could just figure out the quarterback position. So we can't say that over the course of what feels like four or five years. But then also not or say, how is Andrew Berry still there? You know, I do think he hasn't been perfect, but I do think he's built a good football team for the most part. But then you've got the ownership and they just fired a coach as a two time Coach of the Year, that assumption on my end, but by all accounts, was forced to have a quarterback signed to a ridiculous contract.

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Speaker 10: He's when was the last time a coach won in Cleveland?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 10: And they just move on from him.

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Speaker 9: And so I understand that there's two first round picks, but you know, I think there's other places that are much more desirable.

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Speaker 2: But you got Deshaun Watson. You're paying him, was healthy enough to practice, So why don't you open up the opportunity for him to kind of try to prove himself for this one year?

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Speaker 10: Oh that shit is sailed. I mean, Deshaun.

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Speaker 9: The last time Deshaun played good football I think was five years ago, twenty twenty one. And I would tell you Dan the thing that stood out the last time I think we saw him playing on the field, which I believe was maybe twenty twenty three was he looked like a shell of himself. Athletically, I mean, Deshaun's dealt with some injuries now. I mean he's he's got I think at least two, if not three ACL tears. He's got the achilles, he had the shoulder. I mean, I think just physically, his body is just kind of started to break down. I just don't think athletically he's what he was five six, seven years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he stopped running, you know, And you're right, he kind of lost that athleticism or that willing willingness to take a hit. I brought this up before with Lamar Jackson. He went from eleven rushing attempts to around five. And I don't is that a concerted effort on his part or the offensive coordinator and you know, collaborative, but it running quarterbacks. Mobile quarterbacks do eventually stop trying to run as many times as you know they did when they're younger. Is that what happened with Lamar?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, But collaborative, it's the smart thing to do. It's the right thing to do from a coaching perspective of not asking that player after he's you know, kind of built up the career that he has and has taken hits to continue to do that six seven, eight plus years into your career, specifically in September, October, and November. Now as you get into December and playoff football, you probably ramp it up. And I think that's what a lot of people expect from like the Philadelphia Eagles and the Buffalo Bills as they get into.

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Speaker 10: These playoff runs.

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Speaker 9: And then I think it's certainly part of the player to sit back and go all right, availability my health. I got to be at my best when it's needed the most. It's a long season. That one game that's been added. People probably think it's only a small thing. It's a huge deal for these organizations and these quarterbacks. They expect to be playing nineteen twenty games, maybe twenty one, and so it's it's I do think it's a self preservation reac And Lamar was banged up this year to begin with. We were talking about it consistently on NFL Live that he was getting tackled in one on one situations more than I had ever seen.

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Speaker 10: And so yeah, it was one of the storylines for the Ravens this year.

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Speaker 2: Can Josh Allen limit his I mean he seems consistent. He's running seven times a game.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I just think it's situational when Josh has done it. You know, it's Josh used to run seven times a game, and five of them were just to go do it and try to run through the whole defense. It seems a little bit more strategic nowadays for Josh, where you know, I'll do it on a third down, I'll do it in the red zone. I got the conversion, I'll go out of bounce, or I'll side and not necessarily try to prove how tough I am. And so it seems to be a little bit more of a concerted effort to be situational and strategic.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Dan Orlovsky of The Mothership, Adam Schefter reporting that the Giants will interview Mike McCarthy. I was just mentioning his name, you know, ten minutes ago that he's kind off the radar. But I'm wondering why he's off the radar. His resume is similar to Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, and Harball.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he's a good coach.

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Speaker 9: Obviously, Mike McCarthy's had a lot of success. I think that there's there's places that make sense. You know, last year I was like, man, I would entertain him in Chicago to get Caleb to play a little bit more on structure. There's a part of me that feels that way with Jackson Dart, But I also think Jackson Dart probably has to live and should live in a little bit more of a of a Josh Allen, Patrick, mahomes lamar Jackson a create a creative world where that's emphasized.

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Speaker 10: I would also say this, it has.

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Speaker 9: To make the Giants take a little bit of a step back and go, wait, why did our offense in Dallas look the way it did or stretches in twenty twenty three and twenty four, and I know there was no George Pickens obviously, and then it looked like the way it did under Brian Schottenheimer in twenty twenty five, where it was one of the best offenses in football. That has to be at the forefront of the Giants. And if this conversation is a real thing between them and Mike McCarthy, give me the.

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Speaker 2: Quarterback under the most pressure in the playoffs.

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Speaker 9: I'm not giving you Josh because Josh is the clear runaway obviously. Answer Okay, I'm gonna say it's Trevor Dan I called Monday Night Football in twenty twenty four, let's call it fourteen months ago on the road. He was playing up in Buffalo. They got destroyed and he was awful. And I remember being on the call, not even on the call in the meetings before him, being like, something just seems off with him. He just doesn't have the confidence right now. And then you watched it play out in the game and in the booth, I'm like, oh my gosh, is this the beginning of Trevor Lawrence being an afterthought in the NFL? And it was just you could tell he did not have any belief and himself. And then they hire Liam and there's a little bit of friction, maybe early on in the season, and there's the moment against the Bengals pinning on his chest and everyone's making a big deal out of it and whatnot. And then right now he's the hottest quarterback in the NFL going into the playoffs. It's the hottest pass game in the NFL going into the playoffs. They've got him thinking less, they've got him reacting more. He thinks he's the best player in the field every time he steps on the field, and so it's.

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Speaker 10: You're watching your play out in real time of like, this is the guy, this is the guy.

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Speaker 9: You were at Clemson, this is the guy you were drafted, be the number on overall pick. You're playing this weekend. It gets the guy that people thought you could be like. And so I would say, just the way he's played this year. You know, guys going to different groupings and different areas when they go do what they've done in the regular season in the postseason, I say, Trevor.

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Speaker 2: Lawrence, the coach under the most pressure Sean McDermott. Is he coaching for his job?

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Speaker 9: I hate answering this question. Yes, but my job is to be honest. Yes, And I think the world of coach McDermott. I think he's a great football coach. But what we're watching in the NFL right now is these organizations that have high expectations. If those expectations are not met, these people move off from Renty and I just watched the Ravens move off from one of the great coaches in the last two decades.

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Speaker 10: And if Buffalo falls.

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Speaker 9: Flat and does not win this weekend, is it outrageous to think that they decide to move on from Sean McDermott, maybe they hire John Harbaugh. Maybe that's the coach that they choose to go and replace that move, But yeah, I think so because just the expectations are high.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this at the top of the hour, that Indiana's a great story. Fernando Mendoza is a great story. But I got to separate great story from are you a great player? And it feels like Fernando, who his Heisman numbers were probably middle of the pack, if you know, if he didn't throw interceptions, But how do you how should we evaluate him and Dante more since they're the two quarterbacks who are above everybody else, but that I don't know if they're just the best quarterbacks this year. So I don't know how good they are.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So I would say with Fernando, I think the starting point is can you see it and can you throw it? And those boxes are checked. Yes, that's a clear declaration that he can see it and he can throw it. Tho, those have to be foundational traits for quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Explain that though see it, throw it?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So a lot of times with quarterbacks it's can you see what the defense is presenting you. He was on with Pat the other day and he uses the phrase every play is a puzzle, and I have to figure out what that puzzle is. I often say every play, the defense presents to you a question, and you have to know what that answer is.

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Speaker 10: And the question is often do you have a problem, what's the front, what's the coverage, where's the blitz, what's the weakness of the cover. So you have to see kind of all of that moving in a very short period of time. Can you see that or are you a guy that can't because some guys can and some guys can't. And then Dan, there's levels to it.

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Speaker 9: What happens if you can see it, but it takes you two tenths of a second too long.

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Speaker 10: That's an eternity in the NFL. Rock Perty's one of the greats to do it.

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Speaker 9: I can see exactly what you're doing. Brady was talking about it years ago when he was going into the Super Bowl. I think into the Chiefs. He was like, I knew exactly what they were doing before they knew what they were doing, you know. And so Fernando can see it, and I think that's one of the things that's become clear.

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Speaker 10: The more that people have watched him is like, if you allow him.

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Speaker 9: To know what you're in, you're dead. He's gonna carve you up. So can you see it and then can you throw it? I hate the phrase this guy can make all the throws. I don't care. There's thousands of people on planet Earth that can make.

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Speaker 10: All the throws. You have to make the right throw at the right time. So that's what I mean by that.

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Speaker 9: This eighteen yard en route versus Cover three is a different throw. Versus Cover two is a different throw. Versus Cover one is a different throw. When I have to move in the pocket, is a different throw in the backside linebackers two yards more into the middle field than he is. And so that's deep, deep football talk. So I think he can do that. You know, how great is he when it comes to the plus plays? How great is he when to come He hasn't necessarily dealt with a ton of adversity at Indiana this year. And then with Dante Moore. You know what Dante Moore, Dan, he reminds me of Matt Ryan a little bit. If it's in rhythm, it's lovely, it's lovely, it's pure, it's rhythmic.

00:31:45
Speaker 10: It's like the consistency of that. It's very smooth.

00:31:50
Speaker 9: When he has to move, when he has to be off time just a second, I think that person becomes a little bit more realistic and average. Had this really sudden athleticism in the pocket that allowed him to play at a consistent level. Dante's got to develop that, but he's very pure.

00:32:09
Speaker 2: We were talking about this pre show. If arch Manning was in this year's draft number one overall, not.

00:32:17
Speaker 9: Even close, not even close, not even close, you'd be the runaway number one pick. Arch Manning is kind of like the throwback nineteen seventy quarterback with modern day training and nutrition. I'm a huge fan of this guy. He's physically remarkably gifted. He's intelligent when it comes to the football, understanding of speed and space, all that. I think he's wired the right way. He's when you watch him on a sideline, he's ultra competitive. I think he's weathered a lot. He's going into the NFL, or when he does, he's gonna have weathered so many different storms, and we know that's.

00:33:04
Speaker 10: A huge deal.

00:33:05
Speaker 9: So many different finger pointings and adversity and hype and falling short and getting punched and getting back up. You got to have that skill. You have to have that trait to be elite outside of the physical things.

00:33:17
Speaker 10: And so yeah, he would be number one.

00:33:19
Speaker 2: Runaway, Well, run away, Okay, I thought he would be a top ten pick. But I you know, when we had this conversation before I was told that, you know, NFL scouts said no, he would be the number one. He would be the number one pick.

00:33:35
Speaker 10: Runaway, Dan, Runaway. He didn't sell that.

00:33:38
Speaker 2: He wasn't that company. You just said he'd be the number one pick.

00:33:41
Speaker 9: And add in the context of this, the one to two pick are Las Vegas and New York. I mean these are huge markets, you know, obviously massive organizations when it comes to like at least visibility.

00:33:56
Speaker 10: And so yeah, number one Runaway.

00:33:58
Speaker 2: And then he'd have Brady is the owner in Vegas.

00:34:01
Speaker 10: And it with the pit would already be made.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you as always, Thank you, Thank you, sir, Dan Orlovsky the mother Ship. You can see him on NFL Live every weekday afternoon at for Eastern. We'll take a break. Your phone calls coming up, Tony Dunge, you next hour.

00:34:16
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00:34:28
Speaker 2: Nothing like a breakfast burrito, you know, it just kind of hit the spot a little hot. Soalce on there. Everybody's smiling, everybody's in a good mood. Yeah, Paulie, I have a buddy who does not like breakfast like you. I don't like breakfast really, no, you mean the time of day or the food types. I rarely eat breakfast.

00:34:50
Speaker 5: What about on a day off, like a Saturday Sunday.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: No, it's really really rare. Guest hut, you're.

00:34:57
Speaker 3: On vacation at a hotel and you don't It's not like you go to a cafe. They have a nice buffet breakfast in the lobby and nothing on.

00:35:03
Speaker 2: That's no, really, no, not at all. I could go down there and you can stay in a hotel and then you open up those big metal canister you know, containers, and they are like those dried eggs in there.

00:35:13
Speaker 4: I pull up a chair to that.

00:35:14
Speaker 3: I don't know, you have to bring it to an actual table. You can just kind of eat it from there. People, I don't like when you do theyzy, Sorry, you can't pull up a chair to the thing.

00:35:22
Speaker 4: You got to take a plate and bring it through it.

00:35:24
Speaker 5: But do you think it's healthish health time of day or breakfast foods or all the above.

00:35:30
Speaker 2: I'm just not. I was never a breakfast fan growing up. I mean I had cereal, I had frosted many weeks. When I was on vacation, I was like, my son got him for his daughter. I'm like, uh, these are mine. Yeah. See, I've become a big breakfast guy.

00:35:48
Speaker 6: And I don't think that I realized it until I went to Italy with my family and breakfast not really a big thing there. They really don't do breakfast. That I was like, babe, you realized we could be billion by inventing breakfast in Italy?

00:36:02
Speaker 2: Right?

00:36:03
Speaker 6: Nobody here eats breakfast. They don't have eggs here. I found myself after a little while having like breakdowns to me, like.

00:36:08
Speaker 10: They don't need eggs.

00:36:09
Speaker 6: Who doesn't need eggs for breakfast?

00:36:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they eat dinner at nine o'clock at night, and you know they probably start working at you know, ten or eleven o'clock in the morning.

00:36:19
Speaker 6: Real culture shock for me. Yeah, your coffee is in a cup of this big You just shoot it down and then that's it. You don't sip on it all day, and then no breakfast, no eggs.

00:36:27
Speaker 2: Yes. Tone.

00:36:28
Speaker 3: He also don't seem to believe in ice or dryers. Everything seems to be hanging on a line o ice, and I think ice is very dangerous and unhealthy to have something cold drink.

00:36:35
Speaker 2: By the way, you got the Beatles T shirt on go Beetles. Nobody loves the Beatles like you do.

00:36:40
Speaker 3: It's tall notes, Beetles, Billy Joel, Why are we doing The friend of the show sent this in the other day. He didn't leave a note, so I couldn't thank him either on the air or send him a note back. And it was just a box and it wasn't ticking or anything, so I felt safe enough to open it up.

00:36:55
Speaker 4: And it was a Beetle shirt. So obviously he gets the joke about me ripping.

00:36:58
Speaker 3: On the Beetles, so I thought, as a shot, if he's watching or listening, to wear the shirt.

00:37:03
Speaker 2: But why is it you don't like the Beatles. You just say they're overrated.

00:37:06
Speaker 4: I like some of the songs. I think they're highly overrated, and I think part.

00:37:11
Speaker 3: Of it is to psychoanalyze myself for a moment, the jealousy of seeing how people have reacted in past years looking at old clips of the Beatles or Elvis, or they're crying and screaming, throwing things on the stage or the boy bands like new Kids in the Block and stuff. For people to have such a reaction where they're gonna faint, or they're crying, or they just they need medical attention because they're near this person or group. I find that fascinating and maybe part of me wishes I could have that kind of reaction doing stand up comedy or singing on stage.

00:37:38
Speaker 2: Wait, so you don't like the Beatles in part because girls would cry and faint and scream.

00:37:45
Speaker 3: Because I think nothing they've done or anyone has done in the world should have someone move in such a way where they can pass out and possibly die from being near another human being. And partial could be some jealousy that how great would it be to sing or tell the kind of jokes that pe But would you just all line up in a stadium and I have some kind of emotional reaction where they're lapping to the point of passing out.

00:38:05
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm in the same room as so and so.

00:38:07
Speaker 2: But you were making fun of the simplicity of the Beatles' lyrics.

00:38:11
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, not all the songs, but they know some of it is like he really it feels like something like while you're showering, you can come up with some of those lines.

00:38:19
Speaker 2: Well, when they started, yes, I want to hold your hand, those kind of things. But then as they evolved and got more complex, they were doing things that people are still trying to figure out how they did back then.

00:38:31
Speaker 4: Well, she loves you and that can't be bad, and she loves you, so you should be glad. I guess I can think about it.

00:38:37
Speaker 5: Yes, Paul, your kiss is on my list. Your kisses on my list because your kiss, your kiss is on my list.

00:38:44
Speaker 3: And again to my point, if anyone fainted or passed out or started running on the stage because Hall and Oates are playing as a huge Halls band, would find that insane.

00:38:53
Speaker 6: Nobody is fainting, I think if anyone's likely to run on stage and face.

00:38:58
Speaker 3: But I went to a few contract I was able to control myself to the point where I just sat in my sing and enjoyed it.

00:39:03
Speaker 2: Curtis in Illinois, Hi, Curtis what's on your mind.

00:39:08
Speaker 11: More in DP, Well, just about the Kevin Stefanski firing. I thought it was kind of odd, like it couldn't have worked out any better for him. But the thing that I don't understand is as a coach of a truly horrible organization that just does stupid thing after stupid thaying, how come you never see an NFL coach position themselves to ride out their contract and quit a bad organization to take the next job. It seems like an NFL you never see that, But in college it happens three times a year.

00:39:40
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's commonplace in college because there's so many opportunities for a coach. There's only thirty two jobs, and how often are those jobs open? You kind of hold on for dear life. But I think the Browns did Kevin Stefanski is solid by letting him go because you had ownership that was choosing to go with you know, maybe Shadoor Sanders, And I don't think Kevin Stefanski wanted to attach his name to an offense that was going to be led by Shadoor Sanders. He'll get an opportunity. He's a very good coach. He's highly regarded. You know, same with John Harbaugh. This could be a really good thing for John Harball. You know I didn't. I didn't leave the ESPN. I was their eighteen years, so I was there as long as John Harbaugh was in Baltimore, and I realized I needed to leave. But nobody leaves ESPN. So John wasn't going to leave the Ravens until he had to leave. And then I kind of forced myself to have some clarity and say I got to I got to get started again, like I'm bored with this, I'm not getting any better, and sometimes your last to find out about that. Tony Dungee will join us more of your phone calls as well. New poll question EH seven seven to three DP show email address, DPA, dan Pad, Trigg dot com, and our Twitter handle at tp show final Hour in this Wednesday Straight Ahead