Mysterious Nintendo Switch 2 “C” Button Potentially for New Social Hub

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with a mysterious Nintendo Switch to Sea button
<v Speaker 2>penned as a new social hub in sketchy new leak.
<v Speaker 1>That's all. That's what we traffic in here, sketchy new leaks.
<v Speaker 1>All right.
<v Speaker 2>This is from Julian vander Murway at notebook Check. The
<v Speaker 2>mysterious Sea button that's made a few appearances in him
<v Speaker 2>of the redesigned Nintendo Switch to controllers seems to finally
<v Speaker 2>have been identified as a new social feature called Campus.
<v Speaker 2>Campus will allegedly enable a host of new features, including
<v Speaker 2>screen sharing. An updated Nintendo Switch Too is seemingly in
<v Speaker 2>the cards for an April launch according to a lot
<v Speaker 2>of rumors, and one of the biggest expected upgrades coming
<v Speaker 2>to Nintendo Handheld is the redesigned JOYCN controllers. One feature
<v Speaker 2>that sparked a lot of speculation early on following those
<v Speaker 2>controller leaks was the presence of a new button.
<v Speaker 1>Bearing the letter C.
<v Speaker 2>If news somewhat sketchy leaks are to be believed, we
<v Speaker 2>now have an idea of what to expect from.
<v Speaker 1>This new Switch to Sea button.
<v Speaker 2>The leak supposedly obtained by data mining the current switch
<v Speaker 2>OS and switch to SDK. Leaks claims that the new
<v Speaker 2>Sea button will be a feature called Campus, which will
<v Speaker 2>serve as a sort of social hub for the Switch to. Supposedly,
<v Speaker 2>Campus will also be able to serve as a multiplayer
<v Speaker 2>chat maybe potentially a video chat or at least voice
<v Speaker 2>chat excuse me, and then group chat continuing up to
<v Speaker 2>twelve participants who all need to have Nintendo Switch Online. Additionally,
<v Speaker 2>Campus and consequently the Sea Button will also enable screen
<v Speaker 2>capture and screen sharing, making a sort of stand in
<v Speaker 2>for discord in the PC gaming space. The wording of
<v Speaker 2>the weeks just the Campus or at least some of
<v Speaker 2>its social features may be tied to the Nintendo Switch
<v Speaker 2>Online subscription. Yeah, Lucy, we're gonna probably have some answers
<v Speaker 2>on this relatively soon. But this is like one of
<v Speaker 2>the few remaining mysteries about the hardware, which is what
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo is going to focus on here pretty early on
<v Speaker 2>in these upcoming announcements, because apparently the games are going
<v Speaker 2>to get more detailed in February again according to rumors,
<v Speaker 2>according to leaks, But hey, I think this sounds about right,
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're gonna put dedicate a button on
<v Speaker 2>the front of one of these controllers to something, and
<v Speaker 2>you're trying to have an upgraded experience from the switch
<v Speaker 2>one to the switch to improved online functionality and multiplayer
<v Speaker 2>features and sort of a social hub makes a lot
<v Speaker 2>of sense, what do you.
<v Speaker 3>Think it does? But at the same time, I don't
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be sat there like this, you know,
<v Speaker 3>Chin's plenty right on my couch and then accidentally hit
<v Speaker 3>the sea button and you know, broadcast that told my friends. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>like I don't need I don't need that. I've taken
<v Speaker 3>off L's as it is.
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to my My guess would be that
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo would have chins protection on there, because you know,
<v Speaker 2>what are they afraid of more than anything, families with
<v Speaker 2>kids getting online and doing anything. So I bet there's
<v Speaker 2>gonna be several layers.
<v Speaker 1>Of confirmation before you can do that.
<v Speaker 2>And again, like maybe video chat, but definitely voice chat
<v Speaker 2>and and group chats.
<v Speaker 3>So I don't say I think I think video chat
<v Speaker 3>is a step too far for Nintendo. Yeah, famously afraid
<v Speaker 3>of online features.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't even know if there's a camera on
<v Speaker 1>this thing.
<v Speaker 2>Honestly so that Yeah, you're probably right that that is
<v Speaker 2>probably too far for them, even like the voice chat
<v Speaker 2>is going to be something where I think they might
<v Speaker 2>have limitations on there as well.
<v Speaker 3>Do you think they'll have voice chat like Soul's games,
<v Speaker 3>but not not like you pick from you picked from
<v Speaker 3>a sin uh huh of set phrases like beautiful view ahead.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly. Uh, yeah, I think it'll be like that
<v Speaker 1>that would give me.
<v Speaker 3>They don't.
<v Speaker 4>They wouldn't would they want, Yeah, like to your point, like,
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't even want the potential for wrongdoing on their online systems.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't. But I think they also recognize, uh
<v Speaker 2>that this is crucial to a lot of gamers.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's a handful of things. It is
<v Speaker 2>Animal Crossing being very successful and people wanting better online
<v Speaker 2>functionality in a game like that, and Splatoon being a
<v Speaker 2>massive success for them, especially in Japan, uh and people
<v Speaker 2>being like, hey, this is great, everything's great, except for
<v Speaker 2>the online features. You want to use this Nintendo app
<v Speaker 2>on our phones and it stinks. Kind of bringing that
<v Speaker 2>into the system felt inevitable at a certain point for
<v Speaker 2>this follow up, which we'll have you know, have the
<v Speaker 2>benefit of hindsight and knowing how people use the switch,
<v Speaker 2>knowing that people did want to play online games on
<v Speaker 2>that thing and they didn't want to.
<v Speaker 1>Use a separate app.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think that the Switch to coming in
<v Speaker 2>this with this feature is makes a lot of sense.
<v Speaker 2>Is there any part of you though? That's like, I
<v Speaker 2>wish it was weirder than that. I wish Nintendo was
<v Speaker 2>kind of getting in its bag and doing something a
<v Speaker 2>little bit more off the wall like traditional Nintendo might
<v Speaker 2>have done.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I want this thing to be really weird.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gearing myself up for this thing not to be
<v Speaker 3>as weird as I hope it will be. I think
<v Speaker 3>this is good. I think it's going to be very safe.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I think you're right.
<v Speaker 3>That's not bad. Like you know, switch is did it
<v Speaker 3>overtake the PS two yet?
<v Speaker 1>Not yet?
<v Speaker 3>It's close.
<v Speaker 1>It's close.
<v Speaker 2>It's close as anything could get really these days with
<v Speaker 2>that when a world where these systems do not drop
<v Speaker 2>down to ninety nine dollars in the way that the
<v Speaker 2>PS two did and late late in its life. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's It's the second best selling console of all
<v Speaker 2>time now, behind the PS two.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, and you're right.
<v Speaker 2>I think that it is the right idea, and based
<v Speaker 2>on all the leaks we've seen, correct to assume that
<v Speaker 2>this thing is going to be a safe run follow
<v Speaker 2>up to the switch one. Again, we're gonna know probably
<v Speaker 2>very soon. You know, we haven't had any announcements of
<v Speaker 2>the announcement, but tomorrow we probably do still get excuse me,
<v Speaker 2>we probably do still get the initial drop on this thing,
<v Speaker 2>and at that point they might show off what the
<v Speaker 2>C button does in some in some way. Maybe it's
<v Speaker 2>not going to be a fully detailed rundown of how
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff works, but they will probably someone will
<v Speaker 2>probably press that button, and then they'll show some really
<v Speaker 2>pretty people talking to.
<v Speaker 1>One another online.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, do you Yeah, I don't know why, Like
<v Speaker 2>C just feels.
<v Speaker 3>Weird, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's Nintendo's weird about this sort of thing,
<v Speaker 2>right where they had the Z button, right, because first
<v Speaker 2>they had there was you know, they had A and
<v Speaker 2>B on the Nintendo controller, and then when the Super Nintendo,
<v Speaker 2>they're like, right, here's X, Y and L and R
<v Speaker 2>and then when we need like a nel, yes, when
<v Speaker 2>we need yeah, yes, exactly. So when we needed another
<v Speaker 2>button on the N sixty four controller, it was Z
<v Speaker 2>on the back, and then when we had the camera stick,
<v Speaker 2>we just called that the C sticks. So whenever they
<v Speaker 2>have a chance to like bring back a button or
<v Speaker 2>introduce a new button, a lot of times they're like, well,
<v Speaker 2>we had Z in the past, so these are now
<v Speaker 2>ZL and ZR, And I think that's a big reason
<v Speaker 2>they're going to put a S C button on there
<v Speaker 2>as well. It's just because the N sixty four had
<v Speaker 2>a C stick, you know, that's not entirely the reason,
<v Speaker 2>but I guarantee that's something that they consider because they
<v Speaker 2>just like doing that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's uh.
<v Speaker 2>I hope that this this campus thing is maybe more
<v Speaker 2>robust than we're a first assuming like sure, yeah, we
<v Speaker 2>give us voice chat, give us group chats.
<v Speaker 1>Twelve is maybe.
<v Speaker 2>A little limited, but I mean, let's be honest, do
<v Speaker 2>I need more than twelve people in any group chat?
<v Speaker 2>Probablyrobably not, But you know, I want to press that
<v Speaker 2>button and it's like okay, yeah, sure. There's the discord
<v Speaker 2>like features, and then over here is all of the
<v Speaker 2>weird stuff like street pass and things like that. I
<v Speaker 2>just I hope there's just a little bit more juice
<v Speaker 2>to it than just here is Nintendo's sort of diet
<v Speaker 2>version of Discord, right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I really I miss Street Pass.
<v Speaker 1>I do too, Yes, I really.
<v Speaker 3>I just like those stupid little games like going to
<v Speaker 3>mcm cong kN in London back when it was kind
<v Speaker 3>of at the height and just seeing everyone walking around
<v Speaker 3>and swapping puzzle pieces, like I think the Switch really
<v Speaker 3>missed out not having something as cool like that, like
<v Speaker 3>that brings people together and that's and that's really what
<v Speaker 3>gaming is all about.
<v Speaker 1>That's I've heard them say that before. Yeah, you might
<v Speaker 1>be onto something there. Yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 2>It was just made again, made the whole system feel
<v Speaker 2>more alive and necessary, like say, oh I gotta have
<v Speaker 2>my three DS with me, I could get a street
<v Speaker 2>Pass even like I did that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I followed Reggie for me around the E three
<v Speaker 3>show floor because I was determined to get History, yes I,
<v Speaker 3>and I fucking didn't because there were too many people
<v Speaker 3>at E three and I just get everyone else is instead.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get Reggie because you could only hold like
<v Speaker 3>a certain amount, like.
<v Speaker 1>Ten at a time or something like that. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I my, Uh, the key to that was don't try
<v Speaker 2>because I got Reggie, the real Reggie, not not done
<v Speaker 2>one of the Nintendo son and it was at E three,
<v Speaker 2>so I was probably one of the reasons you couldn't
<v Speaker 2>get it.
<v Speaker 1>You probably got mine instead. I was right right there.
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if I did. Actually I wonder where my
<v Speaker 3>three DS is. Yeah, I know, I'm getting I'm getting
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting ripped for the way I said Reggie's surname.
<v Speaker 3>I was both putting a bit of French on it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure you're allowed to do that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was putting some French on it. Leave me alone.
<v Speaker 2>I'll just I'll just say Rgg's name again and everyone
<v Speaker 2>will get mad at me instead.
<v Speaker 1>So don't worry about that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, lextrapt link in the chat. By the way, Microsoft
<v Speaker 3>are doing more.
<v Speaker 2>Layoffs, Microsoft are doing morefs fan sung is Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I'm really feeling a certain kind of way about about
<v Speaker 2>these video game companies right now, and you know, these
<v Speaker 2>larger tech companies where it's just I don't really have
<v Speaker 2>any faith in them to be able to revive the
<v Speaker 2>current like video games are in a lull or not.
<v Speaker 2>It's not necessarily a crash, but it's a crash for
<v Speaker 2>the people that are getting laid off, like and really
<v Speaker 2>it's because the people in charge continue to be looking
<v Speaker 2>for ways to have short term gains.
<v Speaker 1>And really is just like, hey, okay, we've expected a
<v Speaker 1>certain amount of growth.
<v Speaker 2>We did not get that growth, So God, what can
<v Speaker 2>we do to like just make it look like we
<v Speaker 2>had growth.
<v Speaker 1>It is job cuts, so they had to pay.
<v Speaker 2>Less money now, and that is a short, short term
<v Speaker 2>sort of like look of like, hey, okay, we're going
<v Speaker 2>to present this tour investors. We made this amount of
<v Speaker 2>money and that looks like it's the line is going
<v Speaker 2>up into the right.
<v Speaker 1>But the growth that they were searching for still isn't.
<v Speaker 4>There.
<v Speaker 2>Fewer people to make games will make it harder to
<v Speaker 2>find that growth, and so it's like they're just panicking
<v Speaker 2>and putting themselves in a worse position and hoping that
<v Speaker 2>just something. I think they're just hoping something happens. I
<v Speaker 2>think there was a time from twenty eleven to twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty one where it was mobile gaming, free to play,
<v Speaker 2>battle passes, battle Royale, all these things, one h yes,
<v Speaker 2>one thing after another happened that they could just make
<v Speaker 2>more money than they've ever made before. And a lot
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff didn't come from a company like Microsoft.
<v Speaker 1>Or Sony or Nintendo or even like Activision.
<v Speaker 2>Or even EA, Like they were like they saw what
<v Speaker 2>was happening on mobile, they applied it to their games
<v Speaker 2>and they made a lot of money. Or they saw
<v Speaker 2>you know, pubg and like we're gonna make a Battle Royale.
<v Speaker 2>And it was just unending growth for them for a
<v Speaker 2>decade straight that doesn't normally happen, and they just expected
<v Speaker 2>that to keep going. And there is no like obvious
<v Speaker 2>next thing for them to go to, which is something
<v Speaker 2>I always say on the show, but it's like, that's
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm talking about. There was all these things
<v Speaker 2>that they could go to next to make a lot
<v Speaker 2>of money, and it's it's all kind of gone up
<v Speaker 2>and smoke there, And so they're like, Okay, what can
<v Speaker 2>we do next? And they're just what they're doing is
<v Speaker 2>they're hoping some weirdo on Steam is going to put
<v Speaker 2>out the next early access game that takes over the
<v Speaker 2>world so they can copy that, put that in their
<v Speaker 2>games and find the next big growth.
<v Speaker 1>And that is not a.
<v Speaker 2>Recipe for long term success in video games. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the Microsoft continue being the awful capitalist company that you are,
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully video games can survive without companies like that
<v Speaker 2>in the future. All right, let's kind of get through
<v Speaker 2>this other Nintendo news. Nintendo switch to it will have
<v Speaker 2>about two terra flops one point seven ish and a
<v Speaker 2>clock speed well that'll vary depending whether you have a
<v Speaker 2>doct or not. This is from Nintendo everything. There's some
<v Speaker 2>new tech specs that have leaked. Maybe again a grain
<v Speaker 2>of salt, there's maybe we at this information tomorrow. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if Nintendo's actually going to put this information
<v Speaker 2>out at when they're just putting out their initial reveal.
<v Speaker 1>Video, but we'll see. Again.
<v Speaker 2>This has been supposedly a data mind out of some
<v Speaker 2>SDK stuff and OS stuff, but the power profiles for
<v Speaker 2>the handheld. Basically, it's going to have a GPU clocked
<v Speaker 2>at five hundred, six hundred, five hundred and sixty one
<v Speaker 2>mega hurts, and then if you put it in the dock,
<v Speaker 2>it'll be it'll double, it'll almost double to.
<v Speaker 1>About one thousand mega hurts.
<v Speaker 2>Quick version of this is people are kind of calculating
<v Speaker 2>it and saying, oh, that's going to be I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be about one point seven terraflops when
<v Speaker 2>it's plugged in, and that means it's about a quarter
<v Speaker 2>of the power of a thirty sixty. And it's just
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why people keep doing this, why people
<v Speaker 2>keep trying to make these comparisons from terraflop to terraflop
<v Speaker 2>because it's so difficult to do. All these chips are
<v Speaker 2>going to have so much custom stuff in there, especially
<v Speaker 2>one going into a Nintendo console, that it's just actually
<v Speaker 2>not valuable to compare terraflops to tears. But people keep
<v Speaker 2>doing this either way though, It's like, okay, if you
<v Speaker 2>want to, like, like, sure, the PS four Pro had
<v Speaker 2>like four tarra flops, so this is half the power
<v Speaker 2>of a PS four Pro. And again it's just it's
<v Speaker 2>just not that easy. So these are the numbers going around.
<v Speaker 2>This is causing some consternation, Lucy for people who are like,
<v Speaker 2>this is the new Nintendo console? Is it going to suck?
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, is this your first time? Is this
<v Speaker 2>your first rodeo? How do you not know that? This
<v Speaker 2>is kind of Nintendo's thing of come in with a
<v Speaker 2>system that is affordable to make, has enough power to
<v Speaker 2>do the games they want to make, and if other
<v Speaker 2>people want to come on the console, they're welcome to.
<v Speaker 1>But Nintendo doesn't care.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I I'm at the I'm at the point with
<v Speaker 3>the switch to stuff where okay, like there's a bell
<v Speaker 3>curve right of not interested, happy with switch interested in
<v Speaker 3>new console, interest in you can in new console peak interest.
<v Speaker 3>And then the rumors hit me over the edge and
<v Speaker 3>I just it's diminishing returns and I just don't care
<v Speaker 3>as much anymore. And this is the kind of stuff
<v Speaker 3>that I don't care about because for me, the console
<v Speaker 3>is a means to play a game games, and the
<v Speaker 3>games are what I'm excited for. And if the rumors
<v Speaker 3>is to be believed and what we'll see tomorrow is
<v Speaker 3>just gonna be all console, that's great. I just want
<v Speaker 3>to see what it looks like. I just want to
<v Speaker 3>see the form factor, you know. But realistically, I am
<v Speaker 3>not going to put this under my TV, boot it
<v Speaker 3>up and just look at the box, look at the
<v Speaker 3>console itself. You know, that's not what I'm doing. I'm
<v Speaker 3>not going to be benchmarking. I'm not going to be
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm not digital foundry. I'm not comparing frames
<v Speaker 3>and like doing the technical analysis. Yeah it's cool to
<v Speaker 3>know that stuff, but I really at this point, I
<v Speaker 3>just want to know what I'm going to be.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's and I think that you feel that way
<v Speaker 2>because that is correct and Nintendo knows that, and that's
<v Speaker 2>why they won't be talking about this kind of information.
<v Speaker 1>When they reveal the system, it will.
<v Speaker 2>Be here's what it looks like, here's what it can do,
<v Speaker 2>and here's a little glimpse of some games. Come back
<v Speaker 2>in February when we talk about the real shit that
<v Speaker 2>you care about, which will be the games you can't
<v Speaker 2>get anywhere else.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, the.
<v Speaker 2>Switch one was an underpowered tablet from twenty fifteen that
<v Speaker 2>came out in twenty seventeen and we still have it
<v Speaker 2>ten years later, ten year old mobile chip. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>then I went, I was at Awesome Games Done Quick,
<v Speaker 2>watching the Tiers of the Kingdom Speed Run, and I
<v Speaker 2>was just like, man, ten year old mobile processor, look
<v Speaker 2>at this game.
<v Speaker 1>I I it is, oh, hey, Kitty Kat, and it's
<v Speaker 1>so it's like, of course, that's what's going to matter.
<v Speaker 1>And at the same.
<v Speaker 2>Time, this is you know, this is the puddle news, right,
<v Speaker 2>this is people fixate puddle news.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that is such a great way to
<v Speaker 3>describe it.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, puddle news.
<v Speaker 2>People before they're looking forward to something so much, but
<v Speaker 2>their anxieties get the best of them and they fixate
<v Speaker 2>on anything that might sound like this is not.
<v Speaker 1>Going to live up to their hopes. That was what happened.
<v Speaker 2>That's the Puddles and Spider Man, and it happens to everything,
<v Speaker 2>And that's what this is right now, is people are
<v Speaker 2>like fixating on a number that does that at the
<v Speaker 2>end of the day will be meaningless because it's going
<v Speaker 2>to come down to how much time people spend on
<v Speaker 2>their games. So they put on the switch to and
<v Speaker 2>then there will be a few outliers that are that
<v Speaker 2>need a lot of power that might struggle. But we
<v Speaker 2>did know that that was going to be the case
<v Speaker 2>from the beginning with any game coming to the switch to,
<v Speaker 2>because it's the case with the Steam Deck and the
<v Speaker 2>Ally and all these other things that are PC and
<v Speaker 2>have had a lot more power than the switch one,
<v Speaker 2>So why would it be any different. There's a world
<v Speaker 2>where the forty ninety exists at at the same time
<v Speaker 2>as this thing, so it's like there was always going
<v Speaker 2>to be games that were too powerful for it. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I just think that people will forget about these anxieties
<v Speaker 2>the second that they have the thing in their hands
<v Speaker 2>and they're playing the games.
<v Speaker 1>That's how it always goes.
<v Speaker 3>Question, how is GDQ?
<v Speaker 1>It was awesome, It was so much fun. It was
<v Speaker 1>so much fun.
<v Speaker 2>First of all, it's like I just drove the MIC's
<v Speaker 2>house and then it was like a fifty minute drive
<v Speaker 2>from his house, so very convenient.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, did you see the elden Ring stuff?
<v Speaker 1>Didn't see the elden Ring stuff?
<v Speaker 2>We went on Uh We went on Thursday and got
<v Speaker 2>there and they were doing Mario Luigi Planartner's in Time
<v Speaker 2>run and we watched a little bit of that.
<v Speaker 1>Went down to the arcade.
<v Speaker 2>I did one of those popping music the big circular
<v Speaker 2>washing machine music machines from Japan.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I got to do that.
<v Speaker 2>That was a lot of fun. And then sat down
<v Speaker 2>for the entire tiers of the Kingdom run. Really enjoyed that.
<v Speaker 1>Watched quite a bit of Liza p and then we
<v Speaker 1>had a depth.
<v Speaker 3>One of my favorite runners was on the couch of
<v Speaker 3>that one. I was watching it yesterday Metritz.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I think the thing is everyone's just so
<v Speaker 2>nice and competent and responsible for this taking care of
<v Speaker 2>the spirit of this show.
<v Speaker 1>You just feel that everywhere you look.
<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows like, hey, the vibes are immaculate, and it's
<v Speaker 2>our responsibility to keep it that way.
<v Speaker 1>So it was a joy.
<v Speaker 3>Did you see some of my favorite runs ever were
<v Speaker 3>this year, like the new Super Mario Brothers We with
<v Speaker 3>the Piano. Do you see that one?
<v Speaker 1>I guess I did. I watched that one and that
<v Speaker 1>was amazing as well.
<v Speaker 3>And then there was a really good bingo match with
<v Speaker 3>elden Ring before the Doctor Doute Saxophone elden Ring thing.
<v Speaker 1>Ah, so good.
<v Speaker 3>I want to go. May I go to Summer Games
<v Speaker 3>time quick?
<v Speaker 2>I mean you should because we can hang out with
<v Speaker 2>Dan and go stay at dance house and they just
<v Speaker 2>go from there.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Yes, yes, get dad, I'm gonna go
<v Speaker 3>hang out with Bunk there.
<v Speaker 1>Of course.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, good head coach with that, saying all right,
<v Speaker 2>let's keep moving here. Retro Studios staff names removed from
<v Speaker 2>end credits in Donkey Kong Country HD is just remind
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo News the story is the headline Nintendo's done this
<v Speaker 2>before they are doing it again. Basically, you finish the
<v Speaker 2>game and it says based on the works of Retro Studios,
<v Speaker 2>and then here's the list of the people that worked
<v Speaker 2>on this remaster. It's kind of going, especially going in
<v Speaker 2>this case, Lucy, because this is a straight up port.
<v Speaker 1>Of the Wei game.
<v Speaker 2>There's just not a lot of other stuff happening in
<v Speaker 2>this thing. It is just that game again, So where
<v Speaker 2>does any and get off not crediting the people who
<v Speaker 2>actually made this game. But this is a problem in
<v Speaker 2>video games.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, it sucks. I believe this absolutely should be standardized,
<v Speaker 3>Like if you work on the game, you're in the credits.
<v Speaker 3>Oh what was I playing kind of recently? Oh, dragon Age.
<v Speaker 3>Dragon Age listed everyone like and that game, at least
<v Speaker 3>I believe it was everyone like they definitely remember watching
<v Speaker 3>the credits and stuff, had like formally like former on
<v Speaker 3>that and it's just like it's so hard. But the
<v Speaker 3>thing is that I know this from talking to devs.
<v Speaker 3>Crediting is actually very political.
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, yes, and so in everything, which is why
<v Speaker 2>there's like rules to it in Hollywood so they can
<v Speaker 2>avoid that as much as possible. It's still very much
<v Speaker 2>is political at that point.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Oh, I know someone who was technically like art director,
<v Speaker 3>but they left before the project shipped, and so they
<v Speaker 3>got put as like concept artist or like associate or something.
<v Speaker 3>It's just like, that's not what the that's not what
<v Speaker 3>they did on Thenking, Okay, yeah it sucks. I like
<v Speaker 3>even even we had an issue for a long time
<v Speaker 3>here where like we didn't have credits on videos and
<v Speaker 3>this actually changed a few years ago, and I'm really
<v Speaker 3>happy that we did that, because you know, you work
<v Speaker 3>on something, and I am not saying that working on
<v Speaker 3>a video is anywhere near the same life of project
<v Speaker 3>like labor is labor, but like you would put stuff
<v Speaker 3>out and it would go out into the ether, and
<v Speaker 3>if you were the host or the voiceover, like you
<v Speaker 3>would be you're in there right, like you have a
<v Speaker 3>lower third. But then at the end, we just wouldn't
<v Speaker 3>have any end credits. And so, like Jan saying, it,
<v Speaker 3>not credit in half the shows you worked on. And
<v Speaker 3>that's the thing when you're working in entertainment, where your
<v Speaker 3>credit is what gives you access to unions. But also,
<v Speaker 3>like you know, if you're putting a resume out, if
<v Speaker 3>you're putting an IMDb page out, like how can you
<v Speaker 3>prove that you're in there if you're not in a
<v Speaker 3>credit And also, as someone who's just undergone a bunch
<v Speaker 3>of shitty visa things, like me having to prove I
<v Speaker 3>had to print out like a boomer pictures of video
<v Speaker 3>like screenshots from videos that prove that I AM credits
<v Speaker 3>are so fucking important. And it is baffling to me
<v Speaker 3>that in this the year of Luigi twenty twenty five,
<v Speaker 3>also saying we should bring back Luigi. Yes, well yeah,
<v Speaker 3>well that's the it's a it's a double use. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it baffles me that we are still not sanitized.
<v Speaker 2>I think this is what's like so frustrating is that
<v Speaker 2>we do look at like, hey, Microsoft just laid off
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people, right that we talked about that earlier,
<v Speaker 2>and in my head to go, yeah, that is Milton
<v Speaker 2>Freeman capitalism of growing any cost within the rules and
<v Speaker 2>laying people office within the rules.
<v Speaker 1>So they're going to do it. And then we're like
<v Speaker 1>and then.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, you know, Nintendo's kind of that old
<v Speaker 2>capitalist at Adam Smith capitalism, so it's like maybe a
<v Speaker 2>little bit better, and you know they they try to
<v Speaker 2>grow by.
<v Speaker 3>Innovatives, makes from Larry. Then I was like, what.
<v Speaker 2>Adam Smith the founder of capitalism, but also also we
<v Speaker 2>were out of joicet Larian now crazy Yeah, but it's like, no,
<v Speaker 2>This is what people actually hate because it's like, deep down,
<v Speaker 2>it's all going to lead to the same sort of
<v Speaker 2>rot that causes these companies to overlook the human beings
<v Speaker 2>making this stuff, and it's why it all gets lumped together,
<v Speaker 2>and rightfully so in most cases.
<v Speaker 1>Uh, this this sucks.
<v Speaker 2>We've been criticizing Nintendo for doing this for a few
<v Speaker 2>years now because they've done this repeatedly over the last
<v Speaker 2>couple of years. And I think my hope was that,
<v Speaker 2>you know that criticism will lead to some change in
<v Speaker 2>the future, Nintendo will hear this and they will just
<v Speaker 2>quietly make some changes. And now it's like, oh no,
<v Speaker 2>They're continue to do it. In some ways, this is
<v Speaker 2>where a worst case than ever. So yeah, it's frustrating.
<v Speaker 2>They need to recognize how important credits are to people
<v Speaker 2>and to the people actually making the game, whom you
<v Speaker 2>could not have a business without, and yet they still
<v Speaker 2>do this over and over. So yep, Nintendo just as
<v Speaker 2>bad in many ways.
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's take a quick break.
<v Speaker 2>When we come back, let's talk about Ubisoft's crazy plans
<v Speaker 2>to keep the gemos in charge while surviving, so we'll
<v Speaker 2>be right back after this. All right, let's let's try
<v Speaker 2>to suss through this one. You be Soft in Tenset
<v Speaker 2>could create a quote new venture as part of major change.
<v Speaker 2>This comes from Eddie McCoo at GameSpot. A new report
<v Speaker 2>may contained fresh clues about the apparent partnership between you
<v Speaker 2>be Soft and Tencent. Ubisoft's fortunes continue to slide and
<v Speaker 2>the company looks.
<v Speaker 1>For a way forward.
<v Speaker 2>Bloomberg reported that you be Soft and Tencent are considering
<v Speaker 2>excuse me sorry, hit my mic and Tencent are considering,
<v Speaker 2>among other options, creating a new venture that could include
<v Speaker 2>certain Ubisoft assets. The overall aim is to improve the
<v Speaker 2>company's value, Sources said. The two companies are now evaluating
<v Speaker 2>which assets to include in a new entity and their valuation,
<v Speaker 2>the report said, citing anonymous sources. Should a deal come together,
<v Speaker 2>ten Cent could gain more control over some of Ubisoft's franchises,
<v Speaker 2>the report said, adding that ten Sent would also benefit
<v Speaker 2>from improving its own business the results outside of China.
<v Speaker 2>Sources told Bloomberg that no final decision has been made
<v Speaker 2>and that conversations remain ongoing. None of this should be surprising, either,
<v Speaker 2>as Ubisoft set on January ninth that it had pointed
<v Speaker 2>advisors to examine opportunities for Ubisoft to maximize its value
<v Speaker 2>and maximize the value of its company through a variety
<v Speaker 2>of possible business maneuvers and a conference call. Though Ubisoft
<v Speaker 2>declined to comment on the reported Tencent discussions, which dated
<v Speaker 2>back many months, a spokesperson pretend Cent decline to comment.
<v Speaker 2>During a conference call, CEO Usgimo said he sees several
<v Speaker 2>potential paths for the company in its franchises going forward
<v Speaker 2>to maximize shareholder value.
<v Speaker 3>I believe it to maximize shareholder value.
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, it's one of one of.
<v Speaker 3>My favorite things to do, sleeping, eating.
<v Speaker 1>Maximize top three for sure. Uh. This is like setting
<v Speaker 1>off alarm belts for me, though.
<v Speaker 3>This is oh no, this is terrible.
<v Speaker 2>This sounds like a crazy proposition, right of a new
<v Speaker 2>entity that would what leave the rest of Ubisoft behind
<v Speaker 2>and all of those thousands and thousands of employees so
<v Speaker 2>that a few could go over to this new entity
<v Speaker 2>and work on what Assassin's creed over there, and maybe
<v Speaker 2>Rainbow six and everything else gets far cry.
<v Speaker 3>This is yeah, the OC, This is Ubisoft OC. That's
<v Speaker 3>the code name for this ship. Call it Ubisoft OC.
<v Speaker 3>Because those people will be safe.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>Uh and then everyone else is just just gets left
<v Speaker 3>it down.
<v Speaker 2>It feels like a really shitty capitalist maneuver to lay
<v Speaker 2>off a bunch of people without actually.
<v Speaker 1>Laying them off, right, So I.
<v Speaker 2>Go, well, you know, we'll leave them behind and let
<v Speaker 2>them you know, they can have Rayman still good.
<v Speaker 1>Luck as Wait what are you talking about?
<v Speaker 2>This is crazy. This is like like almost a worst
<v Speaker 2>case scenario for what could happen to the future of
<v Speaker 2>you be soft. But really this is happening because the
<v Speaker 2>Guimo family wants to stay in charge. There are ways
<v Speaker 2>to deal with this that would be a lot more
<v Speaker 2>equitable for the people working at Ubisoft. It would involve okay,
<v Speaker 2>new leadership. The Gimo family steps away, Eves goes and retires,
<v Speaker 2>fuck off, betch we don't want to see you anymore.
<v Speaker 2>And then then someone else comes to charge and had
<v Speaker 2>like that makes probably some major cuts and comes in
<v Speaker 2>there as kind of brutal in some ways, but would
<v Speaker 2>try to save as much of the company as possible
<v Speaker 2>and as much of the value as possible and get
<v Speaker 2>it back towards growth. But the Gamo family does not
<v Speaker 2>want to give up any of what it controls here,
<v Speaker 2>and so they have to come up with these weird
<v Speaker 2>maneuvers to find a way to keep that power, and
<v Speaker 2>it sucks.
<v Speaker 1>This is so weird, it's so weird.
<v Speaker 5>It's it's so weird to think about it, especially when
<v Speaker 5>you consider Ubisoft from ten years ago, Yeah, which was
<v Speaker 5>on top of the world, like couldn't put a foot wrong,
<v Speaker 5>hit after hit, banger after banger, and then now just
<v Speaker 5>seeing this like trend chasing, like scrambling from this company
<v Speaker 5>that had all this potential, had all of these hits,
<v Speaker 5>and like I'm sure we're going to.
<v Speaker 3>Talk about, you know, remastering Black Flag. It appeared on
<v Speaker 3>someone's LinkedIn today. That just feels like a weird move,
<v Speaker 3>like continuing with their NFT game again, trend chasing. I
<v Speaker 3>just like, if you talk about bloated in terms of
<v Speaker 3>the amount of the sheer amount of people who work
<v Speaker 3>on these games, Ubosoft has always been this weird one
<v Speaker 3>where they've just had like twenty seven support studios on
<v Speaker 3>one game.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. It's I mean, it's always been a.
<v Speaker 2>Sprawling operation, one that at one time in the early
<v Speaker 2>twenty tens was definitely impressive because, as you said, the
<v Speaker 2>hit after hit and they were like the one company
<v Speaker 2>that could reliably put out big open world games, and
<v Speaker 2>oftentimes the one was better than the one before it, and.
<v Speaker 1>That was impressive.
<v Speaker 2>And then it's like they just kept going in that
<v Speaker 2>direction and not really seeing that they could ever hit
<v Speaker 2>a wall.
<v Speaker 1>And then as soon as they kind of hit some.
<v Speaker 2>Speed bumps, it all started to come apart, and now
<v Speaker 2>they are fully running into the wall.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like what you have, Like, you have the
<v Speaker 3>skull Bums remake, Oh god, the Black Flag remake. You've
<v Speaker 3>got Assassin's Creed, You've got Able to Splinter Cell remake,
<v Speaker 3>Prince of Persia remake.
<v Speaker 1>There's probably a new far Cry coming soon.
<v Speaker 3>There is a new far Cry. There's ray Man that
<v Speaker 3>they're working on. So it's like they are revisiting these
<v Speaker 3>old beloved franchises. But yeah, like Rainbow six is still going.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that their their problem is like Rainbow
<v Speaker 2>six is still going. Whenever they try to do anything
<v Speaker 2>else with Rainbow six right now, it's not it's it's
<v Speaker 2>completely missing. They are trying to do stuff with Tom
<v Speaker 2>Klant see stuff beyond Rainbow six. They put out X Defiant.
<v Speaker 2>They have closed down X Defiant. Yeah, they are Their
<v Speaker 2>misses are bigger than ever, and that's true for a
<v Speaker 2>lot of Division three ye Division work. Yep, they you know,
<v Speaker 2>and they did some you know, the licensed IP stuff
<v Speaker 2>and none of that really hit Avatar and Star Wars
<v Speaker 2>didn't really work for them.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, it's it's tough.
<v Speaker 2>It's tough sledding because I think a lot of gamers
<v Speaker 2>are just in a place where they don't want what
<v Speaker 2>UBI soft is selling right now a little bit and
<v Speaker 2>they kind of need just a little bit more from
<v Speaker 2>that company. And the company doesn't have the capacity to
<v Speaker 2>uh make these massive games and feel like they can
<v Speaker 2>then have space to innovate. So yeah, uh.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the answer is for the company,
<v Speaker 1>but I know I.
<v Speaker 3>Know Assassin's Creed needs to hit.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Yes, absolutely that that is unquestionable.
<v Speaker 1>But as far as like, is this.
<v Speaker 3>Strike another delay?
<v Speaker 1>What's that?
<v Speaker 3>Do you see another delay or they have to get
<v Speaker 3>it out of this financial.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I could see another delay, but that would
<v Speaker 2>be a little bit more catastrophic because yeah, there's a
<v Speaker 2>reason it was delayed to March twentieth, right like one
<v Speaker 2>of the final weeks before the end of the fiscal year. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so I think they I think they'll get it out
<v Speaker 2>and whatever whatever situation it's in. Yeah, as you mentioned,
<v Speaker 2>Assassin's Creed Black Flag Black Flag remake will be more
<v Speaker 2>than a visual upgrade New Systems mentioned. This is from
<v Speaker 2>James Laura at MP First or Multiplayer First. Last year,
<v Speaker 2>we reported how you Besoft confirmed that they are working
<v Speaker 2>on multiple Assassin's Creed remakes. One of these remakes is
<v Speaker 2>said to be Assassin's Creed Black Flag. While the publisher
<v Speaker 2>has not officially announced the title, it seems the rumor
<v Speaker 2>is real and we have the first info about it.
<v Speaker 2>Based on themation we've collected, this will be more than
<v Speaker 2>just a visual upgrade. Gameplay mechanics and elements have also
<v Speaker 2>been upgraded. Last year, UBI Soft CEO us Gimo wrote
<v Speaker 2>a lengthy blog post detailing the company's upcoming portfolio and
<v Speaker 2>the future of Assassin's Creed franchise. One of the comments
<v Speaker 2>that stood out was that fans could look forward to
<v Speaker 2>remakes that would follow that would allow players to revisit
<v Speaker 2>past locations, only with them modernized touch. As you mentioned,
<v Speaker 2>this was someone had their LinkedIn. It's a game designer
<v Speaker 2>had the Assassin's Creed Black Flag remake twenty twenty four
<v Speaker 2>listed on their LinkedIn that is probably going to come
<v Speaker 2>out this year now, although they.
<v Speaker 3>Won't this person. This person also heard the eldest Scrolls
<v Speaker 3>Oblivion remake on this yep.
<v Speaker 1>Which we also are expecting this year. So there you go.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, mate, Yeah, that's trolling guys.
<v Speaker 2>Uh, that's good stuff. Yeah, it's it's this is expect
<v Speaker 2>they'll probably give it some time after Shadows. So if
<v Speaker 2>it does come out this year and probably be holiday
<v Speaker 2>this year, I think that's that makes some sense. There
<v Speaker 2>are a few more details here for the small juicy
<v Speaker 2>bits of information. As listed in the project's description, the
<v Speaker 2>Assassin's Creed Black Flaggery make will feature new systems, with
<v Speaker 2>combat and ecosystems around wildlife specifically mentioned. There's not much
<v Speaker 2>else to mention beyond the team hoping that these new
<v Speaker 2>systems will make the classic in outstanding game to rebirth
<v Speaker 2>as the next Gin Triple A game. It's a weird
<v Speaker 2>way of putting it, yes, and as mentioned, Insider Gaming
<v Speaker 2>previously reported that the title could be released in November
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty five. People are expecting it way later.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, sounds like this is going to be a
<v Speaker 2>holiday game this year. So yeah, I like Black Flag
<v Speaker 2>a lot. I still occasionally get in the mood for
<v Speaker 2>Assassin's Creed game. And at this point there's gonna be
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who are playing games that never
<v Speaker 2>played this, So I think this is a fine idea,
<v Speaker 2>But we make.
<v Speaker 3>Syndic cowards, right, that's get rocked. Oh my god, I loved.
<v Speaker 3>And then the Jack the Ripper DLC. We've definitely talked
<v Speaker 3>about this before, but like so good. Although last time
<v Speaker 3>I was in London I went to the Jack the
<v Speaker 3>Ripper Museum and that was terrible.
<v Speaker 2>Because it was a very affecting and negative way. Or
<v Speaker 2>they just had a bad display. You weren't satisfying with
<v Speaker 2>the display of his murders.
<v Speaker 3>Well, the thing is is that they had something they
<v Speaker 3>had the from Hell Letter and I use quotation marks
<v Speaker 3>is because they had literally they billed it as the
<v Speaker 3>from Hell Letter and then they just printed it out
<v Speaker 3>and tea stained it and like, oh okay, flamed the edue.
<v Speaker 3>The entire display was like that. And then the basement
<v Speaker 3>they made a morgue, which I found a little bit distasteful.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can imagine that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they had pictures of the victims and yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't great.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, in terms of distaste museums in
<v Speaker 2>England though, that's guy, does that even rank?
<v Speaker 3>Come on, distasteful museums?
<v Speaker 1>Do we have.
<v Speaker 3>Artifacts? I was gonna say, the ones of all the
<v Speaker 3>things that we stole from various nations over there?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a little distasteful. But who who among us?
<v Speaker 1>You're right?
<v Speaker 3>Who's okay? America?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Look, look, yes, this is the entire country's stolen museum.
<v Speaker 2>Come on, all right, let's keep going here. Nintendo lawyer
<v Speaker 2>explains why it's been taking down emulators. This is from
<v Speaker 2>Chris Scullion, f VGC, a senior lawyer at Nintendo, has
<v Speaker 2>given an explanation of what makes an emulator illegal. I
<v Speaker 2>don't think they get to decide that, but whatever, particularly
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to most recent releases, As reported by
<v Speaker 2>Den Famacona Co Gamer, Well yeah, I'm sorry. A recent
<v Speaker 2>lecture hosted by Japan's Associate of Copyright for Computer Software
<v Speaker 2>was attended by Nintendo's patent attorney and IPE department General manager,
<v Speaker 2>Kogi nisher Ura. While the lecture, which also included contributions
<v Speaker 2>from IP executives at Sega, Capcom and Konami, among others,
<v Speaker 2>focused on a number of topics. One of these was
<v Speaker 2>the issue of emulation. Nishe Urra explained that while emulators
<v Speaker 2>themselves aren't illegal by definition, they can become illegal if
<v Speaker 2>they operate in a way that infringes on a company's rights.
<v Speaker 2>To begin with, this is a quote, are emulators illegal
<v Speaker 2>or not? Nishira asked, as translated by Automaton, this is
<v Speaker 2>a point often debated. While you can't immediately claim that
<v Speaker 2>an emulator is illegal in itself, it can become illegal
<v Speaker 2>depending on.
<v Speaker 1>How it's used.
<v Speaker 2>He went on to give a couple of examples that
<v Speaker 2>while an emulator that imitates a game device may be
<v Speaker 2>legal on paper, if the emulator also copies a program
<v Speaker 2>belonging to that device, that can constitute copyright infringement. We
<v Speaker 2>had that with the case of I think it was Simu,
<v Speaker 2>the WEU emulator that had some stuff that was copyrighted,
<v Speaker 2>and that caused some problems for that.
<v Speaker 3>Nishear ad, this is this is the that's the re
<v Speaker 3>I remember when I had It's not illegal to go
<v Speaker 3>on the pirate Bay. It's not illegal to have LimeWire,
<v Speaker 3>it's just illegal to use it. So it's fine that
<v Speaker 3>it's on my PC.
<v Speaker 2>Yes it's and it's not illegal to like have it,
<v Speaker 2>it's just illegal to transmit it. So once I have,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who knows how I got it, but I
<v Speaker 2>just I have it now and I own a physical
<v Speaker 2>copy of this of this ROM so this is just
<v Speaker 2>a backup.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Nischer added that if the emulator also disabled security measures
<v Speaker 2>like encryption, that could also be considered illegal. He said
<v Speaker 2>that courts for other counts. That counts for other method
<v Speaker 2>methods such as flash carts, citing the use of the
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo DS flash carts such as the R four, which
<v Speaker 2>bypassed security by imitating a legitimate DS game. He pointed
<v Speaker 2>out that Nintendo and more than fifty other software manufacturers
<v Speaker 2>filed a joint lawsuit against the sellers of flash carts
<v Speaker 2>and one of ruling that they were in violation of
<v Speaker 2>Japan's Unfair Competition Prevention Act and another example of what
<v Speaker 2>makes an emulator illegal. Niche Era noted that if an
<v Speaker 2>emulators to resources where that paired games can be downloaded,
<v Speaker 2>this is also considered copyright infringement. So I mean Nintendo's
<v Speaker 2>out there saying like kind of what we've been wondering
<v Speaker 2>and expecting and and suspecting for a while that Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>is looking for any angle by which they can go
<v Speaker 2>after these. These were emulators, which usually does not mean
<v Speaker 2>the emulator itself is a problem, but if it does
<v Speaker 2>one of a couple of things, then they will use
<v Speaker 2>that against it, which they have recently done against Switch
<v Speaker 2>emulators Yuzuo and ryu Jinks, although ryu Jinks was the
<v Speaker 2>more interesting case because that was one that seemingly was
<v Speaker 2>on the up and up in all of these accounts
<v Speaker 2>where it's like they weren't linking to rams. They it
<v Speaker 2>did not copyright or use any thing that was copyrighted
<v Speaker 2>within the switch os it was and everything was done
<v Speaker 2>in a clean room.
<v Speaker 1>It was good. This is a good emulator.
<v Speaker 2>But Nintendo went to them and made a deal with
<v Speaker 2>them to get them to take it down and stop
<v Speaker 2>doing it. And it's like they kind of went in
<v Speaker 2>there and still found another way that they probably did
<v Speaker 2>not involve necessarily any specific legal threat beyond like we
<v Speaker 2>have our eye on you, and we have a lot
<v Speaker 2>of high paid lawyers, so we could still make your
<v Speaker 2>life hell. And I think Nintendo is just kind of
<v Speaker 2>flexing their muscles with that so it's like, yeah, sure,
<v Speaker 2>these are the reasons the emulator might be illegal in
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo's eyes, but that has not stop them from taking
<v Speaker 2>other emulators down as well, And that's kind of what
<v Speaker 2>we're expecting from them at this point. Emulation is something
<v Speaker 2>that's like definitely like important for preservation. We talk about
<v Speaker 2>that all the time. Companies like Nintendo use emulators. They
<v Speaker 2>want this work to be done so that they can
<v Speaker 2>then then themselves go in there and use that for
<v Speaker 2>stuff like the Virtual console or Nintendo Switch Online. They
<v Speaker 2>do make their own emulators, but having that stuff documented
<v Speaker 2>about the ways to do it, I'm sure has helped
<v Speaker 2>people who work in that scene. So, yeah, this is
<v Speaker 2>something Nintendo being very aggressive about right now. I bet
<v Speaker 2>once the switch to is out and we see what
<v Speaker 2>the security is like for that thing, it's if it
<v Speaker 2>holds up, I bet they calm down about this a
<v Speaker 2>little bit. This definitely seems to be them prepping the
<v Speaker 2>ground for switch to, right.
<v Speaker 1>Can we make a bet, please?
<v Speaker 3>How long you think it'll take someone to crack switch to?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? God, what do you think?
<v Speaker 3>Four days?
<v Speaker 1>Four days?
<v Speaker 2>I think it'll get through about like six months or so,
<v Speaker 2>six months and then God what is it cracking?
<v Speaker 1>Like means it can run homebrew software, right, Like, that's
<v Speaker 1>what we're talking. Okay, yeah, that might be pretty quick. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that could be pretty quick. We'll see. Let's say. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>so the.
<v Speaker 2>Over under is four days. I'll take the over all. Right,
<v Speaker 2>let's see here, okay, next, a couple of stories here
<v Speaker 2>to some stuff to clean up. Lunar Remastered Collection is
<v Speaker 2>launching on April eighteenth. This comes from Salamano Kamatsu. This
<v Speaker 2>was someone that a lot of.
<v Speaker 1>People were pretty excited about.
<v Speaker 2>Figured, I just let everybody know it's coming for fifty
<v Speaker 2>dollars on April eighteenth. Let's see, it will be available.
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's the digital edition North America. Physical editions will
<v Speaker 2>be available exclusively exclusively through Amazon for fifty five dollars. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>so check that out. I know, people, there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of fans of the Lunar RPG series. I've never touched it,
<v Speaker 2>but I always thought it looked pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>So shout outs to y'all.
<v Speaker 3>And I've also never touched it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people, people love these games.
<v Speaker 2>And then finally, Suicide Squad's final content update has been released.
<v Speaker 1>This is from tom Iban at VGC Suitside insane.
<v Speaker 3>This is nuts.
<v Speaker 1>Yep I yep.
<v Speaker 2>Suicide Squad Killed That Justice League has received its final
<v Speaker 2>significant content update develop a. Rock Steady Studios confirmed in
<v Speaker 2>December that the game's current season will be its last,
<v Speaker 2>and season four concluded today with a launch of season.
<v Speaker 1>Four episode eight.
<v Speaker 2>While season four episode eight will mark the final battle
<v Speaker 2>against Brainiac, all online features will continue to be available,
<v Speaker 2>so you'll still be able to enjoy co op with
<v Speaker 2>friends as well as all previous seasonal episodic content. Rock
<v Speaker 2>Steady explained they've also made this game work offline, right,
<v Speaker 2>they did?
<v Speaker 1>They did that?
<v Speaker 3>Oh this was what This wasn't even the thing that
<v Speaker 3>I was talking about.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what was the thing you want to know?
<v Speaker 3>So in Suicide Squad Killed the Justice League, the whole
<v Speaker 3>thing about killing the Justice League and Batman dying and
<v Speaker 3>it's meant to be this beautiful sign off, send off
<v Speaker 3>for Kevin Conroy, and everything turns out it was just
<v Speaker 3>a clone. Batman is alive in the Arkham Verse. Who
<v Speaker 3>would have thunk? And this is the way they delivered it,
<v Speaker 3>like the very end of season four, just like a PostScript.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like, we're going to give everybody
<v Speaker 2>a happy ending, and it's like that is just not
<v Speaker 2>the game you were making.
<v Speaker 1>What is going on here? Yeah, this is a pretty
<v Speaker 1>sad game all things.
<v Speaker 3>It's devastating, honestly, Like especially you know, coming from the
<v Speaker 3>UK rock Steady were there are still some very talented
<v Speaker 3>people there who were completely hamstrung by online requirements trend
<v Speaker 3>chasing games of service. But it's like, you know, rock
<v Speaker 3>Steady did the unthinkable back in two thousand and nine
<v Speaker 3>with Asylum, took licensed property. They made an amazing game,
<v Speaker 3>the revolutionized a genre, and then you know, successful sequel,
<v Speaker 3>successful sequel, dip the toe into VR, and then this
<v Speaker 3>game is just a very sad again post like PostScript
<v Speaker 3>on their work where it's just you know, every level
<v Speaker 3>it just doesn't work. Yep, And it's just very sad.
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I really hope that their legacy is
<v Speaker 3>not you know, completely tainted by this one release. I
<v Speaker 3>don't think it will be. I think they will forever
<v Speaker 3>be the Arkham Studio. But it's just really sad because
<v Speaker 3>there's so much potential for what this game could have
<v Speaker 3>been if they were just allowed to cook, let developers cook.
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I think it's this game is indicative of
<v Speaker 2>where games are just at right now. Like you see,
<v Speaker 2>like we can see the story of how this thing
<v Speaker 2>gets made, how it gets green lit, and how it
<v Speaker 2>ends up being the game that it is, and all
<v Speaker 2>all of that is what what makes it feel very sad.
<v Speaker 2>I think the game was fine to play for the
<v Speaker 2>most part, but it's problems. We're glaring and and and
<v Speaker 2>and here we are. There was nothing they could kind
<v Speaker 2>of do about them. At a certain point. They had
<v Speaker 2>to release a video game.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's it's boy.
<v Speaker 2>If they just made kind of another game in the
<v Speaker 2>in the Asylum style or in the Arkham style, we
<v Speaker 2>probably would not be here having these kinds of conversations
<v Speaker 2>about this studio and wondering what its future is going
<v Speaker 2>to be like. But but even even a studio like
<v Speaker 2>rock Steady ends up in this situation these days.
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like how it happens. No one's immune.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe there's a couple, maybe maybe rock Star's immune, but
<v Speaker 2>I don't know long term are they who knows?
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this is a shame.
<v Speaker 2>I hope that they're able to rebound and get something,
<v Speaker 2>but they they're under Warner Brothers. So do we have
<v Speaker 2>a lot of faith in them being able to do that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get to the poll question from earlier
<v Speaker 2>this week. I got it right here, ready to go?
<v Speaker 2>Is switch to getting revealed this week? People are starting
<v Speaker 2>to believe. Fifty percent say yes, forty one percent say no.
<v Speaker 2>I don't blame a lot of people from for still
<v Speaker 2>being skeptical. It would be very funny at this point, Lucy,
<v Speaker 2>if it didn't get announced every day.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're doing like we're doing FPS tonight, and I
<v Speaker 3>was like, should we move recording? But then I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I guess we'll find out late today if we do
<v Speaker 3>need to remove recordings.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>Uh so yeah, people are starting to believe. I still
<v Speaker 2>think so you could see I voted yes here, so
<v Speaker 2>no for sure? Oh yeah, people wanted me. Balder's Gate
<v Speaker 2>three passes major mod milestone, one hundred million mods were downloaded,
<v Speaker 2>so they added Big Naturals to Withers with hell yeah
<v Speaker 2>to the Withers.
<v Speaker 1>So there you go. That's our second Big Naturals mod
<v Speaker 1>story in two weeks. We did Bilatro last week. So uh,
<v Speaker 1>there you go, everybody.
<v Speaker 2>All right, new pole question here in a second, before
<v Speaker 2>we get to that Lucy James Games, where can people
<v Speaker 2>find you on the internet?
<v Speaker 1>What do you have going on? All that good stuff?
<v Speaker 3>And me at Loose James Games everywhere, I am battling
<v Speaker 3>with my inbox because I basically ignored it for most
<v Speaker 3>of December. And what am I doing. We are recording
<v Speaker 3>Jeff Jeff's in a couple of weeks, prepping for that,
<v Speaker 3>setting up a new office in the studio, and then
<v Speaker 3>I have to move house. What's great is that I
<v Speaker 3>have the keys to this place, so I can like
<v Speaker 3>pop in good, set stuff up and then just move. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And then we're doing like a bunch of like working
<v Speaker 3>on new shows and stuff meetings about that and uh
<v Speaker 3>be around also play the root trees are dead if
<v Speaker 3>you haven't. Yes, an ober Din like, but it has
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of stuff stuff unique stuff of all of
<v Speaker 3>its own.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yes, someone I just mentioned I meant to bring
<v Speaker 1>bring up the lineup for EVO Real Quick.
<v Speaker 2>Street Fighter six Tech and eight Fatal for Fury, City
<v Speaker 2>of the Wolves, Guilty Gear, Strive, Grand Blue Fantasy versus
<v Speaker 2>Rising Undernight in Birth to Cis Celeste.
<v Speaker 1>However, you want to say.
<v Speaker 2>That more Kombat one in Marvel versus Capcom two. They
<v Speaker 2>also have an extended lineup that includes Rivals of eighth
<v Speaker 2>or two, Virtual Fighter five, Revo, King of Fighters, fifteen,
<v Speaker 2>Blaze Blue, Centralification or Central Ficial Central Fiction.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's actually you.
<v Speaker 2>Say that Killer Instinct a question mark for the last
<v Speaker 2>three that will all be revealed on February fifteenth.
<v Speaker 1>So exciting stuff happening over at EVO and lovely.
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I would like to go to that at
<v Speaker 2>some point. We'll see maybe maybe this is the year.
<v Speaker 2>All right, cool, let's see here final pull question or
<v Speaker 2>the next pole question.
<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, let's see.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there it is. Have you played Assassin's Creed for
<v Speaker 2>Black Flag?
<v Speaker 1>Just interested?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you know, let's see if if a lot, if
<v Speaker 2>most of you played it. I expected to be quite
<v Speaker 2>a few. But whenever we ask these questions, it's like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, thirty three percent, forty percent of people have
<v Speaker 2>and most people have not. Maybe I expected to kind
<v Speaker 2>of be around that point. So we'll see, Uh, okay,
<v Speaker 2>pull question. We'll get the results of that on Gameless.
<v Speaker 2>Morning's here on Giant Bomb tomorrow. Speaking of Giant Bomb
<v Speaker 2>later today, light Club is back.
<v Speaker 1>Lucy did her job, so I did oh his Blake
<v Speaker 1>Club today.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, in that case, I will pop on for that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel free, come come, come, say hi. We
<v Speaker 2>were starting at three pm Eastern, so that'll be noon
<v Speaker 2>your time.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>We had Alex Navarro on last week because he forced
<v Speaker 2>this game onto Dan, so he came in to see
<v Speaker 2>his handy work.
<v Speaker 1>And the game is is Terminator three, Rise of the Machine.
<v Speaker 1>So come to an in for term dan Ata Reich
<v Speaker 1>of the Machine. Uh, it's.
<v Speaker 2>It's terrible, but that's that's that's Blake Club. That the
<v Speaker 2>thing is he might beat it this week, everybody. So
<v Speaker 2>that's two episodes of that, and then he's got another
<v Speaker 2>game right after that. So you want to miss won't
<v Speaker 2>want to miss it? Still get a chance to get
<v Speaker 2>a look at Dan. I'll gimme it up gimmicked up
<v Speaker 2>in leather hands, which is very fun, all right. And
<v Speaker 2>then what else is happening this week? On Friday, we
<v Speaker 2>are going to have Bowser's Hurry, which is a Bowser
<v Speaker 2>Fury Bowser's Fury race between myself, Mike Manatti, and Dan Reichert.
<v Speaker 2>Sean might participate, but he got he hurt his wrist
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, so we'll see he's able to get
<v Speaker 2>in there, and during that we're gonna be raising money.
<v Speaker 2>I think the plan is to use Tilt Defy to
<v Speaker 2>raise money for the Red Cross to help people in
<v Speaker 2>LA who have been displaced by the fire fires.
<v Speaker 1>So yes, tune in for that.
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be three to four hours of just who's
<v Speaker 2>the first person that.
<v Speaker 1>Can beat Bowser's fury? Really looking forward to that.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's see here, Lucy James, thank you so
<v Speaker 2>much for hanging out with me today and talking about
<v Speaker 2>video games.
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it, of course, and thank you back. Yep.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely great to have you back.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you survive CS for the most part, and
<v Speaker 2>I hope you're able to get to all of this
<v Speaker 2>move to Move figured out. Thank you everybody for listening,
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for watching. You are the best audience in gaming.
<v Speaker 2>Until next time, have a good one, take care of
<v Speaker 2>yourself and goodbye.