Secrets of Camming Success from the Woman Who Trained Thousands

<v Speaker 1>And that's why I never read the comment.
<v Speaker 2>I just want to like, I'm not even going to
<v Speaker 2>look amazing tonight.
<v Speaker 1>I love what you're wearing a sandwich. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 1>we're all.
<v Speaker 3>I have an angry clows. That is life.
<v Speaker 1>But that's hard, like unless it's like an NBA team
<v Speaker 1>or something.
<v Speaker 3>Like whoa Hello, everybody, Welcome to strip Chat House, Hollywood.
<v Speaker 3>This is an incredible event where we've brought out the
<v Speaker 3>top camstars from strip Chat and we're doing all kinds
<v Speaker 3>of really fun, amazing experiences.
<v Speaker 1>And it is day four today.
<v Speaker 3>It feels like day twelve, but yes, I think it's
<v Speaker 3>day four, and I am doing podcasts all day. And
<v Speaker 3>we are starting off this first one with a true
<v Speaker 3>industry pioneer who transitioned from the camera to the corporate side,
<v Speaker 3>shaping the careers of thousands of performers along the way.
<v Speaker 3>From being the first official cam coach in the business
<v Speaker 3>to her current role as Community program's manager at Stripchat,
<v Speaker 3>she has spent over a decade navigating the intersection of technology, intimacy,
<v Speaker 3>and entrepreneurship. Today, we are diving into the evolution of camming,
<v Speaker 3>the secrets to long term audience retention and a legendary
<v Speaker 3>night in Berlin involving a private basement and a very
<v Speaker 3>rare film collection.
<v Speaker 1>Welcome Nicky Knight.
<v Speaker 2>Hello everyone, Hello, thank you for having me on here.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, thank you. I'm super excited me too.
<v Speaker 3>And you know what, before we get into it, I
<v Speaker 3>should probably give a shout out to my exclusive sponsor, which,
<v Speaker 3>if you haven't guessed by now, is of course Stripchat,
<v Speaker 3>and they're the ones who have made this whole experience possible.
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<v Speaker 3>Instagram and of course to get to the good stuff.
<v Speaker 1>You can find them online.
<v Speaker 3>And if you're a cam model who's looking to jumpstart
<v Speaker 3>your career, which Nikky's gonna fill us in on a
<v Speaker 3>lot about that, or you're a fan looking to make
<v Speaker 3>some connections, give them a chance. They are the number
<v Speaker 3>one global live streaming adult platform and like I actually
<v Speaker 3>looked it up on Wikipedia the top fifty websites in
<v Speaker 3>the world, they're number forty one.
<v Speaker 1>It's the champion bilt. Yeah, this is what it looks like.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's like there's only three adult sites that
<v Speaker 3>are above them, and they're Tube sites.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they're not cam sites. Yes.
<v Speaker 2>So like it's the official place for boobs and butts,
<v Speaker 2>it's the source, that's where you got to go.
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing.
<v Speaker 2>No, it's strip Chat is actually even a bit of
<v Speaker 2>a newer site comparatively, But the people who began and
<v Speaker 2>the people run an hour, very very smart. So it's
<v Speaker 2>the official place for boobs and butts. Come on down.
<v Speaker 3>And then, also, by the way, like should mention, obviously
<v Speaker 3>they were shooting outside. We're shooting near a busy road,
<v Speaker 3>so you're gonna hear helicopters, you're gonna hear motorcycles. The
<v Speaker 3>cops are for me, they're going.
<v Speaker 1>The fire man are for me because I'm too hot,
<v Speaker 1>hold on, So.
<v Speaker 2>For me, let's let's bang them.
<v Speaker 1>Why does everyone love firemen because they go down a
<v Speaker 1>stripper pole and they have muscles.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I thought it was because they saved people's lives.
<v Speaker 3>But okay, Nikki, that's.
<v Speaker 2>Also cool, also cool, but I like the muscles and
<v Speaker 2>the stripper pole.
<v Speaker 1>Boom, wow.
<v Speaker 3>I never thought about it like that. Okay, So let's
<v Speaker 3>start from the beginning. How did you get into this industry?
<v Speaker 2>Like most people, my story is kind of all over
<v Speaker 2>but it was actually a model that got me into it.
<v Speaker 2>And I think most of us can agree. If you're
<v Speaker 2>a cam model, you were probably recruited by another model.
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of how it works. I just to force
<v Speaker 2>my husband, good thing, yay, and I was just like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I want to do. And then
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, I got a phone call out
<v Speaker 2>of the blue girl I worked with, and she's like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>why don't you try internet modeling? And I was like,
<v Speaker 2>what the hell is internet modeling? She's like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you just dressed up and you like do a show.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what does that mean. She's like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like do a show. I was like, okay, cool. Can
<v Speaker 2>I wear costumes? And she's like yeah, totally. I was
<v Speaker 2>like okay cool.
<v Speaker 1>So I actually am anube.
<v Speaker 2>But when it comes to all technology, I remember when
<v Speaker 2>my house got the internet. I was like sixteen. I
<v Speaker 2>got my first computer at twenty seven or twenty five.
<v Speaker 2>I was not technically advanced at all, so there were
<v Speaker 2>many hiccups. But I did go and do a show online,
<v Speaker 2>and yeah.
<v Speaker 1>It was pretty cool.
<v Speaker 2>She told me to try a few sites and I did,
<v Speaker 2>and it was really sweet because in my first week,
<v Speaker 2>she actually told all of her tippers to come into
<v Speaker 2>my room and like, stay hi, and come and just
<v Speaker 2>be nice to me. So I got started because a
<v Speaker 2>wonderful angel just suggested camming to me, and it's it's
<v Speaker 2>honestly changed my life.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, I love that.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I would know, Like if you asked
<v Speaker 2>me before I was a cam coach or even a
<v Speaker 2>cam model, you will know this about business life technology,
<v Speaker 2>like you will understand these things. I'd be like, get
<v Speaker 2>the frick out of here. No, it's not even true.
<v Speaker 2>I know more than I ever thought I would, and
<v Speaker 2>as a lifelong learner, that's really important to me.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's great.
<v Speaker 3>Tell me about your very first camming experience, Like what
<v Speaker 3>were you expecting?
<v Speaker 1>What were you going in there thinking you were going
<v Speaker 1>to do?
<v Speaker 3>Because you were very like vaguely like I'm gonna do
<v Speaker 3>a show and that could mean a lot of different
<v Speaker 3>things to different models, right, So what was your experience?
<v Speaker 2>Like, well, okay, so she said do a show, and
<v Speaker 2>because she was so vague, I was like, mm hmm, okay,
<v Speaker 2>let's see what this is. But I mean as soon
<v Speaker 2>as you log in, you kind of get the vibe
<v Speaker 2>of what it is.
<v Speaker 1>And my very first show, I'm so ridiculous.
<v Speaker 2>I played Truth or Dare and people tip me to
<v Speaker 2>just do the dumbest stuff like draw face on your
<v Speaker 2>own butt, or fart on a saltine cracker or like
<v Speaker 2>just dumb stuff, and I was like, yeah, sure.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, it is a very inventive.
<v Speaker 3>How do you I'm like, of course I'm picturing, Like,
<v Speaker 3>how would I draw a picture on my own butt?
<v Speaker 1>Here's that bit hard?
<v Speaker 2>That's what the man said. He's like, I'm actually impressed.
<v Speaker 2>You are a goddamn artist. And I was like, thank you, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>I am. So he was so impressed with my butt
<v Speaker 2>drawing that he's he gave me extra money, and I
<v Speaker 2>was like, this is freaking awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it was did you fart on the saltine cracker?
<v Speaker 3>Nor?
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have to fart, and I also didn't have saltines,
<v Speaker 2>so I was like, you're just gonna have to cool it, bro.
<v Speaker 1>So maybe next to like next time I go.
<v Speaker 3>Back the saltines and you maybe had like kale for
<v Speaker 3>high lunch, you would have.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, you want to know why because the Internet's
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be weird and if I'm gonna be naked
<v Speaker 2>on it. I'm having fun and that's just absolutely not Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>wild times on the internet.
<v Speaker 1>Keep it weird, all right.
<v Speaker 3>So when did you realize that camming could actually be
<v Speaker 3>a viable career for you as opposed to just like,
<v Speaker 3>you know, somewhere you drop in and fart on salty crackers.
<v Speaker 2>And that's what I think about most jobs is I
<v Speaker 2>could just drop in and fart on crackers here.
<v Speaker 1>But you wouldn't get paid to do that.
<v Speaker 2>True, I would get I would probably get fired. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you can get fired, you get promoted. So I think
<v Speaker 2>the first of it really kind of like hit me,
<v Speaker 2>hit me, was when I got my first payout because
<v Speaker 2>at the time, so this is back in twenty ten,
<v Speaker 2>in the ancient times, So.
<v Speaker 1>Did they have computers back then?
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even sure. I could have been on a
<v Speaker 2>piece of wood. I don't even know. I had to
<v Speaker 2>make a certain amount of money. I had to make
<v Speaker 2>over a thousand dollars to be able to cash out.
<v Speaker 2>At that time, it was not it was a different site.
<v Speaker 2>Stripped out wasn't even around yet, So I remember it
<v Speaker 2>took me a while to get there as a new model,
<v Speaker 2>just because you know you're navigating stuff and always in
<v Speaker 2>the back of your mind you're like, is this real?
<v Speaker 2>Like is this actually something? Like am I just gonna
<v Speaker 2>get scammed? Like is this a whole big you know,
<v Speaker 2>you're just kind of nervous about that stuff. But then
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I saw that money go into my account. No,
<v Speaker 2>it was the most empowering feeling, Like after I ended
<v Speaker 2>things with my husband, like everything had just I'd kind
<v Speaker 2>of forgotten who I was. I'd forgotten even what kind
<v Speaker 2>of music I liked, what my favorite color was, Like
<v Speaker 2>I was really I was in a weird place, and
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, like I've always been a very
<v Speaker 2>independent person. I've lived on my own since I was seventeen.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm gonna take everything, like I will get
<v Speaker 2>everything out of life.
<v Speaker 1>I will go and do this.
<v Speaker 2>I've always been that way, and for the first time
<v Speaker 2>of my life, I didn't feel that way at all,
<v Speaker 2>and it was really weird. And then when I got
<v Speaker 2>that paycheck, all of a sudden, it was like I
<v Speaker 2>felt a fire ignite in my soul again, Like I
<v Speaker 2>really felt that fire, like, yes, you can do it,
<v Speaker 2>like you've been here the whole time, don't even worry
<v Speaker 2>about it. This is possible, this is something I can do.
<v Speaker 2>So my first payout was probably that was probably one
<v Speaker 2>of the most memorable moments of my life. It's just
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, I could do whatever I wanted.
<v Speaker 2>And then the next day, you know what I did.
<v Speaker 2>I got up in time to hear the morning traffic report.
<v Speaker 2>I drew myself a bath, I got a huge glass
<v Speaker 2>of red wine, and I sat in the tub and
<v Speaker 2>listened to the morning traffic report and laughed my fucking
<v Speaker 2>ass off. And then I went tanning, masturbated eight times,
<v Speaker 2>got paid, and then went to sleep.
<v Speaker 1>It was great. That's the life, sure, that is the life.
<v Speaker 1>It's the lifestyle that really.
<v Speaker 3>By the way, I don't drink anymore because fair enough,
<v Speaker 3>let's just say it doesn't.
<v Speaker 1>Agree with me. But man, drinking in the morning, that
<v Speaker 1>was like my favorite thing.
<v Speaker 2>Which is probably why. You know, here's the thing. I
<v Speaker 2>had a great time. It was like eight am, Who cares,
<v Speaker 2>Time's not real? And I got to laugh at the
<v Speaker 2>traffic report because I didn't have to go outside to
<v Speaker 2>a job anymore.
<v Speaker 1>I was my own boss.
<v Speaker 3>Now, tell me about when you moved to strip Chat
<v Speaker 3>and why you moved to strip Chat.
<v Speaker 2>So I moved to Stripchat. It was kind of it's
<v Speaker 2>actually a really sweet story. So at the time I
<v Speaker 2>was working, so I've been kind of all around like
<v Speaker 2>a tour of the industry almost, and I'm really thankful
<v Speaker 2>that I've had those experiences because now I kind of
<v Speaker 2>am able to draw information from lots of different sources.
<v Speaker 2>But I worked at a sex boy company, I was
<v Speaker 2>working at Kiu, and I also worked at like I
<v Speaker 2>was building websites for people and stuff like porn websites
<v Speaker 2>like sorry Wix, but it was like wis for hose,
<v Speaker 2>but it was like it was like that I got
<v Speaker 2>asked to work for strip Chat. Was involved with the
<v Speaker 2>fan site called my Club, and they asked me to
<v Speaker 2>do that, and it was absolutely amazing because I got
<v Speaker 2>to see more about the fan club side and like
<v Speaker 2>the subscription model, like everything about that. It was just
<v Speaker 2>really nice to learn another part of the industry and
<v Speaker 2>I absolutely loved it. And then after about a year
<v Speaker 2>and a half, the team we were in Vegas at
<v Speaker 2>a strip chat party and the team took me outside
<v Speaker 2>and they got down on one knee and they're like, Nikki,
<v Speaker 2>come work on our team and so they proposed to
<v Speaker 2>me like marriage.
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, yes a thousand times.
<v Speaker 2>Yea.
<v Speaker 1>Way did they present you with?
<v Speaker 2>It was someone's ring that was there, but oh okay,
<v Speaker 2>so they just throw it was a gesture. It was
<v Speaker 2>a gesture that counts. It was a gesture that counts. Yea.
<v Speaker 1>So it's nice.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I was kind of doing when I was
<v Speaker 2>at my club. I was kind of working on both
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. But to be honest, sometimes I'd be like, yo,
<v Speaker 2>I come from cams, Like what I should be doing
<v Speaker 2>this more?
<v Speaker 1>It kind of just felt really right to go over there. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually remember when stripchat started. When Stripchat became
<v Speaker 2>a sight, it was like the coolest thing around because
<v Speaker 2>what they did was like they just had the most traffic,
<v Speaker 2>They had the coolest image, you could do anything. It
<v Speaker 2>was new, like they made it so beautiful, it had
<v Speaker 2>all the latest features and it was just the coolest
<v Speaker 2>freaking sight. So, I mean, I've always kind of wanted
<v Speaker 2>to come over here, but now I am.
<v Speaker 3>So what do you think makes strip chat different than
<v Speaker 3>other webcam sites?
<v Speaker 2>I think how much they listen to the models, to
<v Speaker 2>be honest, Like, for real, a lot of sites will
<v Speaker 2>implement good ideas, but they go out of their way
<v Speaker 2>to actually do this, like they really listen and I'm
<v Speaker 2>in those chats like people, your suggestions are passed on
<v Speaker 2>and they are discussed and they are implemented if they
<v Speaker 2>can at all. So they kind of go above and
<v Speaker 2>beyond to make sure that they're doing right by their models,
<v Speaker 2>which is really cool. I mean a lot of sites
<v Speaker 2>do that, but they do it on every site, not
<v Speaker 2>every site, not every site, but they do it on
<v Speaker 2>like a way where they really want to make it
<v Speaker 2>your home. They really really do and they yeah, they
<v Speaker 2>really really care. It's nice and we have the coaching
<v Speaker 2>and everything like that. So there's lots of cool stuff there.
<v Speaker 3>So you are the community programs, yes, and a strip chat.
<v Speaker 3>So how do you balance being like a platform representative
<v Speaker 3>while still giving that raw, honest advice to models, because
<v Speaker 3>you do come off incredibly authentic, thank you, not like
<v Speaker 3>someone who's just trying to sell me something.
<v Speaker 1>Hell no, I'm a tear salesperson. Here's the thing.
<v Speaker 2>I can't sell shit, but I can inspire people and
<v Speaker 2>be like, whoo, get I'm excited about stuff. I love coaching,
<v Speaker 2>I love all those things, and I actually think the
<v Speaker 2>best part about this industry is that I can be myself.
<v Speaker 2>I don't ever have to be this corporate person.
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine you in the corporate world.
<v Speaker 2>So many lawsuits, so many lawsuits, would just immediately just yes.
<v Speaker 2>But it's I mean, when I first started, like way back,
<v Speaker 2>because I was really the first like coach that was
<v Speaker 2>part of a site that there was a definite learning curve,
<v Speaker 2>it was, I wasn't sure how business I was supposed
<v Speaker 2>to go. And when I went to business, all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, like I was the man, right, Like I
<v Speaker 2>was the man the suit, the suit. There was cleavage,
<v Speaker 2>but I was still the suit. And I hated it.
<v Speaker 2>I hated not being connected to the models. And I
<v Speaker 2>always say, like I am business partners with strip Chat,
<v Speaker 2>very close, very close business partners, and they are my tea.
<v Speaker 2>But I work for the models, and that's just who
<v Speaker 2>I work for. If I'm going to do and actually
<v Speaker 2>reach my goal of being the resource for the models
<v Speaker 2>that I want to be, then I have to be
<v Speaker 2>myself and they have to know that I'm one of
<v Speaker 2>them because I am.
<v Speaker 1>And it's.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I tell everyone to be authentic
<v Speaker 2>and be truly themselves. I better live by that policy
<v Speaker 2>myself because otherwise I don't know. At the end of
<v Speaker 2>my life, I want to be proud of what I've done.
<v Speaker 1>So you wrote a really great article for the debut
<v Speaker 1>issue of wet Ink, which we're revealing tomorrow, and it
<v Speaker 1>was really about how camming and fan sites yes can
<v Speaker 1>like coexist and even compliment each other. So can you
<v Speaker 1>give us like a little bit of an overview of
<v Speaker 1>what you talked about in that article.
<v Speaker 2>I really think maybe it's because models are constantly like
<v Speaker 2>there's always new people coming in and there's always so
<v Speaker 2>many new sites. When I started, Snapchat didn't even exist
<v Speaker 2>like it was there was, so it was less options,
<v Speaker 2>I guess, let's say. And one of the biggest things
<v Speaker 2>that was kind of an issue was that models were
<v Speaker 2>camming every day all day, and I mean seven days
<v Speaker 2>a week, like eight hours a day.
<v Speaker 1>No, that's nuts.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And they just felt like, actually a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people in the industry felt that there's no way for
<v Speaker 2>them to be able to create any kind of financial
<v Speaker 2>freedom for themselves. They are always kind of tied to
<v Speaker 2>the cam They can't have a life, they can't do anything.
<v Speaker 2>So some fan clubs started around the same time. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know who exactly was first, but the idea was
<v Speaker 2>that cam sites were going to put in a subscription
<v Speaker 2>based fan club inside of it, so that models would
<v Speaker 2>be able to monetize our audience if they got sick,
<v Speaker 2>if they were, you know, going to school, whatever, they
<v Speaker 2>could make money while offline. And the whole idea was
<v Speaker 2>to kind of take some of the tension off of
<v Speaker 2>your live show, because the thing that kills your live
<v Speaker 2>show the most is when you're not having fun. Like
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you right now, it actually does
<v Speaker 2>not matter what you're doing, and I've got the proof, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>it's just how people can see how much you're enjoying
<v Speaker 2>what you're doing. And if you're always stressed out about money,
<v Speaker 2>then your show is going to suffer because you are
<v Speaker 2>stressed out.
<v Speaker 3>And like it or not, we be pushing for tips
<v Speaker 3>in a really aggressive way that your fans don't respond with.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's hard to jerk off to a tragedy
<v Speaker 2>unless you know some people pay for that shit, but
<v Speaker 2>it's just hard. So I mean, let yourself have a
<v Speaker 2>good day and it's a lot more fun. So that's
<v Speaker 2>really what I was supposed to do, so you're supposed
<v Speaker 2>to be able to make money offline. And then when
<v Speaker 2>fan sites, sorry, very that was very funny. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>bring the facts to it. Yeah, no kidding, yes, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>But when like fan sites started popping up, like independent
<v Speaker 2>fan sites, then I think that's where maybe the message
<v Speaker 2>kind of got lost, because people think, oh, I can't
<v Speaker 2>share this link everywhere, you know, I can't be advertising
<v Speaker 2>all over the place whatever. And then they think, all right,
<v Speaker 2>I have to choose one and then the other because
<v Speaker 2>it might not be as easy to advertise as I
<v Speaker 2>maybe thought. That's not true. They're meant to be used together.
<v Speaker 2>You should have both because your audience is different. You
<v Speaker 2>make a lot of content, it's multiple revenue streams, and
<v Speaker 2>you can kind of volley them off one another. It's
<v Speaker 2>they were meant to be together. So you can have
<v Speaker 2>some of your life back, take some of the pressure
<v Speaker 2>off your show, so you can go back to just
<v Speaker 2>having fun tooting on crackers if you want to live
<v Speaker 2>your life. My god, I've draw on your own butt,
<v Speaker 2>oh for it.
<v Speaker 3>Camming is the freedom to draw on your own butt
<v Speaker 3>and fart on crackers.
<v Speaker 1>You should see the things I peed on.
<v Speaker 3>You know, someone inside actually just told me a pretty
<v Speaker 3>funny joke. Yes that I'm just gonna throw it in
<v Speaker 3>here because it did make me cackle and I needed
<v Speaker 3>a laugh this morning. What's the difference between a chickpea
<v Speaker 3>and a garbonzo bean?
<v Speaker 1>What? I've never had a garbonzobeine on my face.
<v Speaker 2>Love, I'm going to tell that to a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people I know, Like, that's so good.
<v Speaker 1>I love that joke. I love it so much. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So with a lot of fan sites, you know,
<v Speaker 3>we hear all this talk about like how much money
<v Speaker 3>people are making. I mean, look, obviously only fans is
<v Speaker 3>the most you know, common one. You know, these insane numbers,
<v Speaker 3>and that's like the news that everyone's getting. And I
<v Speaker 3>think a lot of people think like, oh, if I
<v Speaker 3>can just get on OnlyFans and I will make as
<v Speaker 3>much money, not realizing that Yeah, absolutely you can make
<v Speaker 3>that much money on only fans.
<v Speaker 1>But it's so much work.
<v Speaker 3>And if you start off with no following and like
<v Speaker 3>no kind of like social media presence, it is a
<v Speaker 3>very much an uphill battle. And so Camming has a
<v Speaker 3>internal organic traffic engine which is going to get you
<v Speaker 3>to that stage of making money much faster can because
<v Speaker 3>people always want to know numbers.
<v Speaker 1>Can you give us an idea.
<v Speaker 3>Of like what a reasonable amount of money one might
<v Speaker 3>be able to expect to make on a camsite, like
<v Speaker 3>if they're quite focused on it.
<v Speaker 1>It kind of depends on how much you want to do.
<v Speaker 2>Right, the more you put in, the more you're gonna
<v Speaker 2>get out, and also, for real, how much fun you're having.
<v Speaker 2>I would say an average, and I'm saying this is
<v Speaker 2>unbelievably realistic, I would say four thousand a month, five
<v Speaker 2>thousand a month, that's I mean, that's pretty average. If
<v Speaker 2>you're making less, there are things you can do. Not
<v Speaker 2>everyone's going to make that, and there are people who
<v Speaker 2>make much much, much more, but that's it's much more.
<v Speaker 3>It's like a top cam model making a month, because
<v Speaker 3>like that's what people want to hear.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, like fifteen, twenty thousand, thirty thousand sometimes yeah, yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 2>the money is there. You just have to have fun
<v Speaker 2>those people are having fun, and focus on your retention,
<v Speaker 2>bringing your customers back. All the little e commerce things
<v Speaker 2>that you don't think apply to adult but they absolutely do, right,
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, the biggest thing is to just really, you
<v Speaker 2>have to enjoy it, and you have to make it
<v Speaker 2>enjoyable for yourself because then it's easy. But like you said,
<v Speaker 2>like when people are they're starting to like do their
<v Speaker 2>only fans. And I cannot even tell you how many
<v Speaker 2>times I've heard this and had to break it to someone. No,
<v Speaker 2>you cannot make a million dollars in a month from
<v Speaker 2>selling pictures of your feet, Like, no, it's always the feet.
<v Speaker 2>It's always the people don't want feet that much. They
<v Speaker 2>just don't and not the biggest seller. Guys, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>all the way real. They don't want you to just
<v Speaker 2>have pictures of your pedicure. That's not what feet content is.
<v Speaker 2>Usually you're doing some freaky stuff with your feet and
<v Speaker 2>the pedicure is whatever.
<v Speaker 1>Half the time, they want your feet to be disgusting. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there's like a dirty foot vetterst.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah it's st Yeah, No, we won't kink shame.
<v Speaker 2>But that's I just don't think they realize how much
<v Speaker 2>work goes into it. And I no longer get offended
<v Speaker 2>at this, but I used to when people say, oh,
<v Speaker 2>I'll just go be a camelal or oh I'll go
<v Speaker 2>just do what you do and I'll make a billion dollars.
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any idea how much work it is
<v Speaker 2>to one look hot, two feel hot? Three be entertaining,
<v Speaker 2>be online a business person, like do all your social
<v Speaker 2>media be interesting, make content, and do it over and
<v Speaker 2>over and over again while being your own boss. With
<v Speaker 2>that freedom and temptation to just f off to the
<v Speaker 2>woods somewhere and do.
<v Speaker 3>Whatever all day. Do your own taxes. Hate taxes, but sure,
<v Speaker 3>let's do that. I mean, you're not an employee, so
<v Speaker 3>you don't get taxes taken out of your.
<v Speaker 1>Or you mean in that way. I thought we were
<v Speaker 1>just like, yay taxes.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, no, no, no, I mean, like that's the most
<v Speaker 3>common thing that is a lot of girls don't realize
<v Speaker 3>when they're when they don't have like a lot of
<v Speaker 3>financial education, and they come and they do something like
<v Speaker 3>adult work, which is all independent contractor work, and they
<v Speaker 3>don't realize that they don't get to keep all that
<v Speaker 3>money and they have to give some of it to
<v Speaker 3>the irs at the end of the year.
<v Speaker 2>There Like, now sites actually report to the to the
<v Speaker 2>government how much you make.
<v Speaker 1>They never did. I think that's good though.
<v Speaker 2>We should know this because the one thing that I'm
<v Speaker 2>really kind of passionate about is making sure that people
<v Speaker 2>have the skills that they like, teaching people's skills that
<v Speaker 2>they can use across their entire life. Like, you can
<v Speaker 2>take this and do anything with it, not just adult
<v Speaker 2>and you can have this forever. So you can be
<v Speaker 2>your own business owner, you can do production, you can
<v Speaker 2>do many different things that this industry teaches you. Personal health,
<v Speaker 2>you can be I don't know many things. You can
<v Speaker 2>even be a life coach after this. You can definitely
<v Speaker 2>be a pervert coach at least, but you'd still have
<v Speaker 2>to do your own taxes. Even if you're a professional
<v Speaker 2>pervert coach. They still have to sign stuff at the
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, you know what I mean. The
<v Speaker 2>government needs our cut, So yeah, do your taxes. I
<v Speaker 2>do it.
<v Speaker 3>So for anyone who is listening, maybe a creator who
<v Speaker 3>wants to try camming, or someone who's even looking just
<v Speaker 3>to dip their foot into the adult industry, what are
<v Speaker 3>some of the first steps that they should take to
<v Speaker 3>set up their camming career.
<v Speaker 2>The first thing you need to do is you kind
<v Speaker 2>of have to decide what site you want to be on.
<v Speaker 2>So I would just go and check out the sites
<v Speaker 2>there's ones that are you can't get naked unless you're
<v Speaker 2>in a pay per minute private show, and then there's
<v Speaker 2>our site, which you can do pay permitted private shows.
<v Speaker 2>You can have glamour mode, where you know there's no
<v Speaker 2>nudity in public chat. But then there's also my favorite
<v Speaker 2>public mode, where you can just.
<v Speaker 3>Just let it be, just just go, just show everyone
<v Speaker 3>you naked and do a show as much as you like.
<v Speaker 2>So most people are going to be either one or
<v Speaker 2>the other. I know some people like on the inside
<v Speaker 2>and you you will know if it feels right. You're like, nope,
<v Speaker 2>I only want to get naked for private chat, pay
<v Speaker 2>like pay per minute, that's my soul, feels good, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>decide that. Or if you're like me, I gotten you
<v Speaker 2>just want. I have all of my nudes I SEO optimization.
<v Speaker 2>I uploaded them to Google Images myself because I need
<v Speaker 2>people to know. When I'm like seventy five, I want
<v Speaker 2>to be like, look see that boom. I need that
<v Speaker 2>evidence everywhere this I won't be that off forever.
<v Speaker 1>So that's me.
<v Speaker 3>But yes, I don't know, man, plastics at getting pretty
<v Speaker 3>good these days.
<v Speaker 1>It is.
<v Speaker 3>I'm eighty. I don't know if you knew that eighty. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you look amazing. I know on the sixty seven, I've
<v Speaker 3>been sixty nine.
<v Speaker 1>For years years.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So you need to decide are you more of
<v Speaker 2>a like paper minute only or are you comfortable being
<v Speaker 2>nude in public?
<v Speaker 1>Chat?
<v Speaker 2>And I actually used to play a game and it
<v Speaker 2>was called Okay, no Way. And I learned this from
<v Speaker 2>a real place called Hooker. You shout out to hook
<v Speaker 2>or you if you still exist?
<v Speaker 1>And cook University.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I found so many things online.
<v Speaker 1>It is amazing. We all need to go there. It's
<v Speaker 1>a university. It's a is it like is it an
<v Speaker 1>online like thing? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I mean it looked like a school, but it was
<v Speaker 2>Okay no Way. And I had these paddles and I
<v Speaker 2>would just have a group of models and I would
<v Speaker 2>ask them, okay, are you okay with doing this? Are
<v Speaker 2>you okay with flashing for this amount? This amount, this amount?
<v Speaker 2>Would you do this for this this this? And we
<v Speaker 2>just go through basically just the most disgusting list of
<v Speaker 2>things that I could even think of. And from that,
<v Speaker 2>it's just they're able to get their boundaries together, kind
<v Speaker 2>of have a better understanding of what they want to
<v Speaker 2>do online, and then they.
<v Speaker 1>Kind of won't be thrown off.
<v Speaker 2>And when someone comes in your room and says some
<v Speaker 2>very real stuff to you that's just disgusting, you don't
<v Speaker 2>feel like, oh my goodness.
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to sit there and think about it.
<v Speaker 1>You already know.
<v Speaker 2>So if you're just starting out, or even if you
<v Speaker 2>haven't done this like yourself and you've been around for
<v Speaker 2>a while, take a minute and just go through the
<v Speaker 2>most disgusting stuff ever and be like, okay, am I
<v Speaker 2>okay with that? And even when setting your prices, if
<v Speaker 2>you want to know how much to charge, inside will
<v Speaker 2>tell you. I'll never tell someone how much they are
<v Speaker 2>worth ever, Like I don't care. You're all worth more
<v Speaker 2>than you charge anyway. So you need to go and
<v Speaker 2>go through all those things you're comfortable doing and then say, okay,
<v Speaker 2>I would do it for this much, Okay, I would
<v Speaker 2>do it for this much.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I would do it for this much.
<v Speaker 2>And at some point you're gonna feel like a release
<v Speaker 2>of tension in your chest and that's okay. So now
<v Speaker 2>you're within your own ballpark and you can go up
<v Speaker 2>from there. But if you ever charge, like pick a price,
<v Speaker 2>and then if someone asks you to do these things
<v Speaker 2>like a private accustom whatever it is, and you drag
<v Speaker 2>your feet to do it. Guess what, that's the number
<v Speaker 2>one sign that you're not charging enough. So find out
<v Speaker 2>what you're into, See what site makes you the most comfortable,
<v Speaker 2>and uh yeah, just go on and talk like just
<v Speaker 2>don't even worry about being perfect at first. Just go
<v Speaker 2>and talk to your users. Get comfortable. You will never
<v Speaker 2>be this innocent ever again. And it is very powerful
<v Speaker 2>because it's it's endearing. So hopefully someone's joining the mile
<v Speaker 2>high club.
<v Speaker 1>If someone's not sucking off the pilot, I'm both can
<v Speaker 1>do's bathroom are so small? I've done it? I bet
<v Speaker 1>you have.
<v Speaker 2>It was just a blowjob, though, A good one, A
<v Speaker 2>good one.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So also, when you join stripchat as a new model,
<v Speaker 3>you are in the new model category. Yeah right, yes,
<v Speaker 3>and so there's a thirty day window of opportunity.
<v Speaker 1>Can you talk about that? Yes? I can.
<v Speaker 2>So we've actually just extended it, which is super exciting
<v Speaker 2>because I think a month is really what you need
<v Speaker 2>to kind of get comfortable, and you've got thirty days.
<v Speaker 2>You go on there and talk to people like just
<v Speaker 2>kind of just go, don't worry about being perfect, just
<v Speaker 2>get on there and we feature you in our new category.
<v Speaker 2>So anyone who's cammed knows that there is a certain
<v Speaker 2>group of people who always love the new category.
<v Speaker 1>They love the fresh meat, if you will.
<v Speaker 3>They're like, because maybe they can get them to fart
<v Speaker 3>on a cracker, because they don't know.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of farts happening over there, and it's
<v Speaker 2>you know, no, they like them just I don't know anything,
<v Speaker 2>or maybe they think, oh, I'm going to be I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to be so suave, I'm going to help them,
<v Speaker 2>and really they're just being really sweet and they just
<v Speaker 2>like new people and they like I think kind of
<v Speaker 2>that that just real raw vulnerability of what it's like
<v Speaker 2>when you're nervous or when you're you know, it's your
<v Speaker 2>first time doing anything. It's it's less performative, it is
<v Speaker 2>less performative, and it's it's kind of like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>when someone goes up and does a speech at like
<v Speaker 2>a wedding and they're nervous, No one hates on that person.
<v Speaker 2>They get the most claps because everyone can identify with
<v Speaker 2>being nervous or you know, doing something that might be
<v Speaker 2>scary whatever.
<v Speaker 1>So it's a yeah.
<v Speaker 2>People just kind of connect with that, and it's there's
<v Speaker 2>an innocence, there's a sweetness to it, and there's an
<v Speaker 2>authenticity to it as well.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, now for the established cam model and it's been
<v Speaker 3>on ship chat for a while, who maybe feels a
<v Speaker 3>little stagnant or needs to I don't know, it feels
<v Speaker 3>like they need to like spring clean there there's their
<v Speaker 3>profile or.
<v Speaker 1>Anything like that.
<v Speaker 3>Do you have any tools, any tips for optimization?
<v Speaker 2>If you're feeling kind of like, you know, you want
<v Speaker 2>to shake it up or you're getting kind of bored,
<v Speaker 2>probably one of a few things is happening. One you're
<v Speaker 2>probably trying to go through all your settings and change
<v Speaker 2>them all to try and you know, tweak it so
<v Speaker 2>that all of a sudden, this magic setting comes along
<v Speaker 2>and it's like.
<v Speaker 1>Whoo, you don't have to do that.
<v Speaker 2>We have something called magic search now and it's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>No longer do.
<v Speaker 2>People have to find you by tags, because it's you
<v Speaker 2>have to be kind of like it's actually hard to
<v Speaker 2>pick your own tag because they have to be the
<v Speaker 2>tags that someone would use to pick you. So, no,
<v Speaker 2>those days are over. Those are the olden times. Now
<v Speaker 2>people can find you like they can search for. I
<v Speaker 2>want to hear someone with a deep voice, someone who's
<v Speaker 2>eating an orange, literally specific, yes, literally anything. So the
<v Speaker 2>most important thing is to kind of evaluate how much
<v Speaker 2>fun you are having in your own show. You cannot
<v Speaker 2>gamify the system, you cannot gamify connection, authenticity, and you
<v Speaker 2>certainly can't gamify having a good time. One of the
<v Speaker 2>big milestones in my life as a model was when
<v Speaker 2>I found out that one of my friends is in
<v Speaker 2>my room and all of a sudden one day he
<v Speaker 2>told me I saw him. He's like, hey, come check
<v Speaker 2>out my new computer. I got this thing. And that
<v Speaker 2>computer was a piece of shit, like there was no
<v Speaker 2>way it was new. And I was like sweet, compute,
<v Speaker 2>like sweet, and he opened it up and it was
<v Speaker 2>a private of us.
<v Speaker 1>It was me, and.
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea that he was there. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>know it was him. And I was screaming with embarrassment, but
<v Speaker 2>not because he was there. I actually thought that was
<v Speaker 2>kind of hot, but because when I looked at myself
<v Speaker 2>on the screen, I looked insane. I looked insane. You
<v Speaker 2>could tell in my eyes that I was so uncomfortable.
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to post so I didn't have any
<v Speaker 2>roles or nothing like you know, and my voice was
<v Speaker 2>a bunch like so many octaves higher. I was trying
<v Speaker 2>to be what I thought that guys thought was hot.
<v Speaker 2>Like it was clear that I was just the brainwashing
<v Speaker 2>was working and I was just putting out all kinds
<v Speaker 2>of different things and not being myself, which is actually
<v Speaker 2>the hottest thing. So I calmed myself down and I
<v Speaker 2>watched it for a little bit, and I realized I've
<v Speaker 2>already embarrassed myself more than I ever could online, Like
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing to me that would be worse than this
<v Speaker 2>than looking completely fake. I sounded weird, I didn't look
<v Speaker 2>like I was having fun, and it was just plain
<v Speaker 2>as day. So the next day I went on and
<v Speaker 2>was absolutely myself. I that was the first day I
<v Speaker 2>drank my own pea.
<v Speaker 4>I love that is your baseline of being yourself, but hold.
<v Speaker 2>On, okay, So here's where it becomes truly me. I
<v Speaker 2>don't really like pee, especially after I tasted it. It's
<v Speaker 2>because I was just joking around with people and I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, someone is being weird or like funny, and
<v Speaker 2>I started trolling them, like, not in a mean way,
<v Speaker 2>but just being a little shit, and I think he
<v Speaker 2>I can't even remember he said something about pee and
<v Speaker 2>then whatever it was, whatever the situation was, I ended
<v Speaker 2>up peeing through a pair of jean shorts and then that,
<v Speaker 2>and I think we were just I was letting things
<v Speaker 2>see what would happen, and it was. It was awesome.
<v Speaker 2>I had a great time. And I even noticed there
<v Speaker 2>were guys that were in my room and they were
<v Speaker 2>there for months, but they never said anything. And that
<v Speaker 2>day one of them came in. They're like, oh my god.
<v Speaker 2>We were waiting for this to happen. We were wondering
<v Speaker 2>when it would, Like most models go through this, when
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, they just become comfortable and yeah,
<v Speaker 2>happier here.
<v Speaker 1>And they were.
<v Speaker 2>Total active members of my room afterwards, once they saw
<v Speaker 2>that I was comfortable and be myself.
<v Speaker 3>So once you drank your own pea, everything changed. It
<v Speaker 3>was gross, but.
<v Speaker 2>I never did it again, but I talk about it
<v Speaker 2>a lot, because if you do that, you need to
<v Speaker 2>get every single benefit out of that possible.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that story has got to have like range, I.
<v Speaker 2>Scored a long jazz once because someone was like, it's
<v Speaker 2>not real. I was like, oh yeah, buddy, And then
<v Speaker 2>basically prove that bit of medical science. It's real. It's
<v Speaker 2>in a glass you can see. So yeah, I just
<v Speaker 2>hadn't I just had fun. I wasn't trying to be
<v Speaker 2>that perfect girl. I was just me joking around, being
<v Speaker 2>an idiot, pervert, just goofing off.
<v Speaker 1>Because that's the hunter mad me.
<v Speaker 3>Like, I am definitely someone who's very like conscious of
<v Speaker 3>the way that I sit and like, you know how
<v Speaker 3>my stomach lips me, especially after.
<v Speaker 1>Having my kids.
<v Speaker 3>And for sure, cam models of all shapes and sizes,
<v Speaker 3>and they do seem so comfortable with their bodies on
<v Speaker 3>cam and they don't seem to care that you know,
<v Speaker 3>in this position like they're they have roles, and and
<v Speaker 3>obviously the customers don't care either. And I think, like
<v Speaker 3>what also makes it hard for me is because I,
<v Speaker 3>you know, came up as like a photographer in you know,
<v Speaker 3>the industry so long ago, back when we were really
<v Speaker 3>trying to create you know, Penthouse, Playboy perfect pictures like
<v Speaker 3>that was my job was to make you look as
<v Speaker 3>skinny as possible with like no fat roles, to hide
<v Speaker 3>all of that that with special like your arm here,
<v Speaker 3>clothing like all that kind of stuff. So it's really
<v Speaker 3>been like drilled in my head. So obviously when that
<v Speaker 3>critical eye, which served me well as a photographer because
<v Speaker 3>you know, I am able to see things that you know,
<v Speaker 3>we can do tricks and stuff with the camera to
<v Speaker 3>make you look like that is show me the image,
<v Speaker 3>please do, thank God. But when that critical eye turns inwards,
<v Speaker 3>which is that eye that's been honed and tailored and
<v Speaker 3>so perfected to find the flaws and fix them, it's
<v Speaker 3>hard to shut that off. Yeah, when it when it
<v Speaker 3>turns inward and looks at me, it's like you put
<v Speaker 3>some glasses on that because you were perfect. So yes,
<v Speaker 3>my vision is also going. That is another problem with
<v Speaker 3>old reading classes.
<v Speaker 1>But you look really sexy with them on. Thank you,
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much.
<v Speaker 2>But I can absolutely understand that experience, and it's it
<v Speaker 2>makes complete and total sense. We've always been told to
<v Speaker 2>be this perfect thing. And then when you cam, it's
<v Speaker 2>actually seeing the other models that when you see so
<v Speaker 2>many other bodies and they're all beautiful and they're all different,
<v Speaker 2>you realize I must be too. And then all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden you realize the guys who are saying nice
<v Speaker 2>things to me, they don't have to do that there's
<v Speaker 2>nothing forcing them, Like there's they're not getting anything other
<v Speaker 2>than pleasure out of doing that, why would they lie?
<v Speaker 2>So I must not be that bad. And I used
<v Speaker 2>to compare my body to absolutely everyone's I've got that.
<v Speaker 1>Meat, I've got that juice.
<v Speaker 2>So I would always compare myself all the time, and
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden I stopped doing that. And
<v Speaker 2>it's so incredibly freeing. It's one of the cool things
<v Speaker 2>that happen out of camming. But at the same time,
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't love looking perfect and beautiful? And like, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you're a star, you're seen as a star, and it's
<v Speaker 2>just this like, oh, it's amazing. But when you're live,
<v Speaker 2>that is impossible to do. Like there's just there's no
<v Speaker 2>way around it. Either you go with.
<v Speaker 1>The current or you don't.
<v Speaker 2>It's it is what it is, and there's nothing wrong
<v Speaker 2>with a little bit of whatever, because I mean, it's
<v Speaker 2>just not yeah, bodies or bodies. And to answer the
<v Speaker 2>rest of your wonderful question about like what do you
<v Speaker 2>do as a model when you're starting to feel you know,
<v Speaker 2>bummed out or stagnant or anything like that is the
<v Speaker 2>point of that story. Watch your own show, Record your show,
<v Speaker 2>record the chat, watch your own show, see what you're
<v Speaker 2>doing right, change things up. A lot of times, it's
<v Speaker 2>because when you're online, you're like, you're just looking at yourself,
<v Speaker 2>and you get bored of seeing your own self. You
<v Speaker 2>get bored of your background all the time. You need
<v Speaker 2>to spice it up visually for yourself. If your viewers
<v Speaker 2>deserve that, so do you. So it's time to change
<v Speaker 2>your background, change something about your room, redecorate it, and
<v Speaker 2>also go do something that you really enjoy. Do something
<v Speaker 2>that makes you feel sexy. Masturbate for you for once.
<v Speaker 2>Go do your hang out with your friends. These things
<v Speaker 2>will really help, and also make sure, like above all,
<v Speaker 2>that you are truly doing stuff that turns you on.
<v Speaker 2>You should be the person having the most fun in
<v Speaker 2>your room. There's no way to be horny twenty four
<v Speaker 2>to seven. That's not real, and you do not have
<v Speaker 2>to pretend that it is happening. Just have fun whatever
<v Speaker 2>you are into. The more fun you have, the more
<v Speaker 2>fun your audience has, and the easier it is for
<v Speaker 2>your audience to find you. So don't go tweaking your settings.
<v Speaker 2>That won't help. Leaning into your weirdest self. Let your
<v Speaker 2>freak flag fly be you, and your audience is gonna
<v Speaker 2>find you, and then it's less work for you to
<v Speaker 2>do stuff.
<v Speaker 1>That's what you gotta do.
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to ask you something like a little more
<v Speaker 3>specific because like I think of like about for me,
<v Speaker 3>and I've done some live shows before, and I always
<v Speaker 3>kind of struggle with what to do because I don't
<v Speaker 3>do much right.
<v Speaker 1>I don't do masturbation or anything like that.
<v Speaker 3>I do full nude and that kind of stuff, So
<v Speaker 3>IONE always like, what am I going.
<v Speaker 1>To do to entertain people? First? You can do forty
<v Speaker 1>five minutes?
<v Speaker 3>Like do you have any like specific games liking? You
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, because I'm always like, what do.
<v Speaker 1>We do for that?
<v Speaker 2>I can't rub lotion on muscle for an hour? You could,
<v Speaker 2>but that's what Yeah, I could see how that would get,
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of boring after a while. But one percent,
<v Speaker 2>I do. You can do absolutely anything. You could talk
<v Speaker 2>about sports. Take a job of sports. You don't have
<v Speaker 2>to you can talk I actually used to do cooking
<v Speaker 2>shows and I would use glass dildos to mix the batter.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can do dumb stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>You can play games, anything that's actually nostalgic, like take
<v Speaker 2>a like a twister board.
<v Speaker 1>Put it up on the wall.
<v Speaker 2>You can get you can play bingo, You can play
<v Speaker 2>like games in there where say that you can kind
<v Speaker 2>of pit your not pit them against So you can
<v Speaker 2>have your room play each other in many many games
<v Speaker 2>like you can have the play against each other. Actually,
<v Speaker 2>this is a good one. A model named Cinnebel long ago,
<v Speaker 2>she used to do this thing, and she had this
<v Speaker 2>special tip menu and it was things you could do
<v Speaker 2>to the rest of the room so her her audience
<v Speaker 2>would like tip five tokens so that they could silence
<v Speaker 2>another user for five minutes, change someone's user name, or
<v Speaker 2>you know, she had to go buy a certain name
<v Speaker 2>for five minutes. You could kick someone out. Of course
<v Speaker 2>they could come right back in and just weird little
<v Speaker 2>things that they could do. Sure, make them do all
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. I mean, you can do working
<v Speaker 2>out yoga.
<v Speaker 1>Do you know how much dudes love yoga?
<v Speaker 2>In like any whatever tone in your skin is, try
<v Speaker 2>and find something as close as possible. Doesn't have to
<v Speaker 2>be blue like Instagram to get past their frickin' rolls.
<v Speaker 2>But they love watching people bend and move, traveling, anything
<v Speaker 2>like that. If you haven't, if you have art, paint,
<v Speaker 2>naked paint with your boobs, anything that you really like.
<v Speaker 2>For real, I know artists that do stuff, and you
<v Speaker 2>could do. Gaming doesn't have to be masturbation, all right.
<v Speaker 3>My next question is a lot of models think that
<v Speaker 3>being on every platform is the key to success. And
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna lie, I'm one hundred percent guilty of that.
<v Speaker 3>But if you advocate for a two or three platform limit,
<v Speaker 3>why is spreading yourself too thin the fastest way to
<v Speaker 3>kill your career?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so here's the deal.
<v Speaker 2>I completely understand wanting to be on every single site,
<v Speaker 2>and as someone who's seen the industry go from very
<v Speaker 2>few sites to just exploding, there are more tools for
<v Speaker 2>models now than ever, and that's awesome. The problem is
<v Speaker 2>is that most people don't have enough hours in the
<v Speaker 2>day to be actually there when the customer is there.
<v Speaker 2>Because when someone messages you or when they're in your
<v Speaker 2>cameraroom or dming you somewhere like, that's when the iron's hot, right,
<v Speaker 2>And if you're not replying or not responding or not
<v Speaker 2>posting on all these sites or at least offering a
<v Speaker 2>like you have exclusive content here, you do this here,
<v Speaker 2>something different everywhere when it all becomes kind of the same.
<v Speaker 2>You're not expanding your customer base. You're actually dividing your
<v Speaker 2>customer base.
<v Speaker 1>And it's not.
<v Speaker 2>About how thin you can spread your own customers. Because
<v Speaker 2>if you're sharing one link here, one link here, but
<v Speaker 2>because you have so many, you only share this link
<v Speaker 2>twice a month, Okay, well that doesn't do anything. Or
<v Speaker 2>you share this one a lot and then sometimes this one,
<v Speaker 2>you share this one, but you're never ever there. You
<v Speaker 2>just miss your customers like you're actually putting holes in
<v Speaker 2>your own net. So people are just going to fall through. Also,
<v Speaker 2>it's tiring, and when you spread them out, you just
<v Speaker 2>release them into the wild, and who knows where they are.
<v Speaker 2>When you focus on two or three sites, ones that
<v Speaker 2>you actually like being on, you make a funnel. And
<v Speaker 2>when you funnel people, you can then use the sites
<v Speaker 2>to kind of boost each other in a way. And
<v Speaker 2>that's what I was saying about the fan site and
<v Speaker 2>the campsite. You can volley them back and forth. Use
<v Speaker 2>your fan site on stripchat, so then there's three right there,
<v Speaker 2>on only two platforms, so you can get a mix
<v Speaker 2>of business. It's not about dividing your audience. It's about
<v Speaker 2>mixing your audience. People on cams like cams. If you
<v Speaker 2>bring them too far away to another site, that's not
<v Speaker 2>the product that they like. So you might get them,
<v Speaker 2>but you might not keep them. Because they like cams.
<v Speaker 2>Someone from a fan site, they might not always like cams.
<v Speaker 2>They'll come and check you out, they'll like it, but
<v Speaker 2>they might not stay forever because there's different things. Now
<v Speaker 2>there is a hybrid audience that does like both. But
<v Speaker 2>when you think about having your cam people using your
<v Speaker 2>fan club on your camsite, having your fan site, you
<v Speaker 2>can have a clip site, you can have you know,
<v Speaker 2>if you want to have a telegram thing, whatever, the
<v Speaker 2>social media that you actually like using, not something that
<v Speaker 2>you're just trying to market on. The funnel closes. You
<v Speaker 2>can concentrate your audience. You get a mix of business
<v Speaker 2>and then you can kind of cater and tailor to
<v Speaker 2>your different people that way, as opposed to setting them
<v Speaker 2>everywhere and it's friggin hard too thin shows no.
<v Speaker 3>So, Nikki, you started as a webcam model back in
<v Speaker 3>twenty ten, what did the office look like back there?
<v Speaker 3>And compared to the high tech setups that we see today.
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, computers were different. You could really only cam on
<v Speaker 2>a PC. Camming on a Mac was just you either
<v Speaker 2>couldn't do it or it was a nightmare. Remember the
<v Speaker 2>only thing that you could use as a filter was
<v Speaker 2>like mini cams. Ridiculous and OBS, you guys are so
<v Speaker 2>spoiled as OBS. Now you have auto configuration. I remember
<v Speaker 2>when we used to have to do the bitrate in
<v Speaker 2>like all the little buttons and things.
<v Speaker 1>It was a nightmare.
<v Speaker 2>But back in that time when OBS still wasn't relieving
<v Speaker 2>a thing. I have a confession. To make my first computer,
<v Speaker 2>because it was a Mac. It just went out of
<v Speaker 2>date incredibly quickly, which is why you should like go
<v Speaker 2>to a PC if you can, because Mac updates so much.
<v Speaker 2>It's just it kind of goes out. But I know
<v Speaker 2>people love it. So my old Mac was done done ski.
<v Speaker 2>So I needed a new computer, and I didn't have
<v Speaker 2>the cash to get it like immediately and you have
<v Speaker 2>to work right away. So actually to get my updated MacBook,
<v Speaker 2>which is still a silly choice, I cashed in the
<v Speaker 2>war bonds that my grandfather gave me from World War
<v Speaker 2>Two to buy a computer to do.
<v Speaker 1>My camming, my live streaming.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so that's what we were dealing with. Back in
<v Speaker 2>the twenty tens. We're still on the war bond days. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it worked pretty well. Actually it wasn't bad. Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>things had moved on, you know, the war was fine now.
<v Speaker 3>Also, one of the things that I believe stripchat really
<v Speaker 3>does better than any of the other camsites is mobile streaming, right, yes,
<v Speaker 3>because I actually also thought that you could only stream
<v Speaker 3>from a webcam on a computer. But yes, you can
<v Speaker 3>stream from your phone just like you do like on
<v Speaker 3>any social media platform.
<v Speaker 2>And it's so nice because a lot of girls and guys,
<v Speaker 2>actually they won't start with a computer. I happen to
<v Speaker 2>have a computer, but a lot of people come into it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, your computer is a little bit older whatever.
<v Speaker 1>Da da da.
<v Speaker 2>Now with your phone being able to go live moving around,
<v Speaker 2>that actually makes your shows better one because mobile you're
<v Speaker 2>free to do whatever you want, you change your background.
<v Speaker 2>You don't get as bored because you can move around
<v Speaker 2>and change your own environment, so you're having more fun.
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot more accessible than having a computer. Because
<v Speaker 2>I don't care who you are, nobody has like when
<v Speaker 2>you're when you're starting to do this, you're not doing
<v Speaker 2>it because you have a whole bunch of money just
<v Speaker 2>sitting there right. You usually can't just get it right away.
<v Speaker 1>So having the.
<v Speaker 2>Phone really has opened up the whole experience of camming
<v Speaker 2>to a lot of people. And the people who need
<v Speaker 2>it the most are the ones who need money like
<v Speaker 2>right away. And most people have a smartphone, so yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's awesome, it's newer. We are one of the only
<v Speaker 2>ones to have it, and yeah, models love it. And
<v Speaker 2>you actually get a ton of traffic when you stream
<v Speaker 2>on mobile because a lot of traffic comes from mobile.
<v Speaker 2>People watch porn on their phones, so a lot of
<v Speaker 2>our traffic comes from people watching porn on their phones.
<v Speaker 2>We get them onto your phone. Herbert connected.
<v Speaker 3>All right, let's get some stories from the fields. Sure,
<v Speaker 3>let's talk about Venus Berlin. Yes, you ended up with
<v Speaker 3>the KitKat Club and we're invited into a basement to
<v Speaker 3>see the owner's private collection.
<v Speaker 1>Tell us about that. This was shocking. Okay, So.
<v Speaker 2>Everything I'm about to tell you's real. And I'm saying
<v Speaker 2>this because I had an awesome time. I would do
<v Speaker 2>this today like I would go back today. This is
<v Speaker 2>an awesome story because I love you guys. I think
<v Speaker 2>it's great. So it's all my Germans out there. But
<v Speaker 2>there are just some things that you just can't unsee.
<v Speaker 2>A wonderful person who they have a studio, he's in Germany.
<v Speaker 2>He's such a great guy. He invited me months ago.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, come, I'm friends with the kick Kat club,
<v Speaker 2>like the owner.
<v Speaker 1>Come down.
<v Speaker 2>He goes for dinner every Saturday night. Bring as many
<v Speaker 2>friends as you want. Then we'll go with him to
<v Speaker 2>the club and then you can you know, I think
<v Speaker 2>it'd be a great night. And I'm like, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>of course. And he's such a like this person always
<v Speaker 2>supports me. He's amazing. What's that Max, He's always like
<v Speaker 2>he's just a really great member of the strip tech community.
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, I'm not going to pass up this.
<v Speaker 2>We're going. But of course Venus Berlin is like this
<v Speaker 2>insane marathon of banging and just the you I milked
<v Speaker 2>fake cow last.
<v Speaker 1>Year, like you melt a fake cow? Yes I did, Yes,
<v Speaker 1>I did?
<v Speaker 2>Was We got these crazy tattoos like it, Venus, you
<v Speaker 2>do it well. So it's awesome. And so at the
<v Speaker 2>end of the night when we're supposed to, can we.
<v Speaker 3>Just let the fans know something about Venus Berlin, which
<v Speaker 3>I think is so crazy, and I didn't actually realize
<v Speaker 3>this until I think like last year, when like Jeff
<v Speaker 3>started going for strip chat.
<v Speaker 1>The fans can be naked. Yeah, fans do not have
<v Speaker 1>to wear clothes to Venus Berlin.
<v Speaker 3>So just want to throw that out there, just to
<v Speaker 3>set the scene for the kind of convention that this is.
<v Speaker 2>However freaky you think it is, double it, double that,
<v Speaker 2>double it and double it.
<v Speaker 1>So Venus Berlin is.
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's so the time comes to go, and
<v Speaker 2>of course half my team is just like destroyed, tired,
<v Speaker 2>dead because they were all working so hard, and I'm like, no.
<v Speaker 1>I must do this.
<v Speaker 2>So instead of some of my team members, I brought
<v Speaker 2>a couple beautiful porn stars that I just met that day,
<v Speaker 2>two UK girls love them. I didn't realize this, but
<v Speaker 2>they both said. Because I was telling them about where
<v Speaker 2>I'm from in Canada and I was like, this is
<v Speaker 2>where the cowboys are. They're like cowboys are real and
<v Speaker 2>I was like what They're like we thought they were
<v Speaker 2>just in movies and I was like, what, they are
<v Speaker 2>very real and they're like, oh my god, I want
<v Speaker 2>to have a gang bang with all the cowboys, and
<v Speaker 2>I was like sweet, I support you come to KitKat Club.
<v Speaker 1>So we all go.
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't know what kit Cat Club is,
<v Speaker 2>it's a legendary place you can do whatever. It's not
<v Speaker 2>a sex club, but you can definitely have sex there.
<v Speaker 2>And there's all this BDSM stuff and it's it's just legendary.
<v Speaker 2>You're not allowed to bring your phone in off the grid.
<v Speaker 2>It's cash only off the grid. So me, these girls
<v Speaker 2>and a few other people we get all bdsm's out
<v Speaker 2>and I'm talking like spikes, We're wearing like nipple clamps,
<v Speaker 2>like just BDSM right out to go to this club.
<v Speaker 2>First we go to dinner with the owner. Can I
<v Speaker 2>tell you it was the most traditional German restaurant. There
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even music. It was all wood, their specialty with schnitzel.
<v Speaker 2>There was like little old people having dinner and we
<v Speaker 2>all look.
<v Speaker 1>Like and no one gave you like a second glance.
<v Speaker 2>No they did, Okay, they very much did. And so
<v Speaker 2>we're just sitting there like, hi, I would like the
<v Speaker 2>give me the pretzel please, and just we looked insane
<v Speaker 2>in this very very very sweet, lovely restaurant in Berlin.
<v Speaker 2>So after we finished our meal, which was delicious, we
<v Speaker 2>walked over to the club. You go right in and
<v Speaker 2>you have to take off all your clothes. You can
<v Speaker 2>have a little bit on, but you can't take your coat.
<v Speaker 2>They take your phone, they tape it in your pocket,
<v Speaker 2>they take it and we go inside and actually at dinner.
<v Speaker 1>This is how it happened.
<v Speaker 2>So there was a porn cowboy who was just great,
<v Speaker 2>like he was whatever you think, that's what he's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, we actually play porno in the basement
<v Speaker 2>of the club, and it's just stuff that we've made.
<v Speaker 2>It's never been released and it's by invite only. He's like,
<v Speaker 2>if you come to the candy store inside the club
<v Speaker 2>and you meet me there, I'll take you in the
<v Speaker 2>basement and you guys can come and see our videos.
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, yeah, of course I'll be there.
<v Speaker 2>So one thirdy I went to the candy store, went downstairs.
<v Speaker 2>Can I tell you this room was not big. It
<v Speaker 2>was the size of a green room, and there was
<v Speaker 2>a TV setup that was a boat like this, Like,
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't big. And there's a whole bunch of us
<v Speaker 2>sitting on this couch and then the owner comes over.
<v Speaker 1>You are awesome. I love you.
<v Speaker 2>This is how we introduced this film. He's like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>So we make a lot of stuff around and he's like,
<v Speaker 2>and we're into sex. He's like, this is what got me.
<v Speaker 2>We're extremely inclusive in our porno, so we don't exclude anybody.
<v Speaker 2>So you're gonna see some things that you might not
<v Speaker 2>be used to, like torture porn, like amputee torture, peeing,
<v Speaker 2>fire violence, and I'm like, okay, cool, like just okay,
<v Speaker 2>let's do this. Turns out that it was a green
<v Speaker 2>screen medieval porn about a girl who puts faces in
<v Speaker 2>her butt, but she's a coarse jester and anyways, she
<v Speaker 2>gets possessed and she has to get an exorcism, and
<v Speaker 2>this exorcism fisting scene was very scary, like everyone is
<v Speaker 2>in extremely scary makeup, and this is all in German like,
<v Speaker 2>so even if it didn't terrified, was no sight anyone
<v Speaker 2>knows what the heck is happening. And I'm just like why,
<v Speaker 2>Like the priest was scary in the scene, and I
<v Speaker 2>was like okay, And then all of a sudden, I
<v Speaker 2>mean just so many times someone's like laying on a
<v Speaker 2>dirt road and you're like, what's happening? And someone will
<v Speaker 2>come out of frame pee right in their face and
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what, no context whatsoever. Then all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>the jester she becomes the queen and then but she
<v Speaker 2>still wants a fart on people. Honestly, those two sweet
<v Speaker 2>British girls were sitting right beside me and at some
<v Speaker 2>point they just look at me. They're like Nikki, like wow,
<v Speaker 2>I feel like this is I would never see anything
<v Speaker 2>like this other than this, like, thank you so much
<v Speaker 2>for bringing me.
<v Speaker 1>This isn't this is an honor. They learned so much today.
<v Speaker 3>It started off with learning that cowboys were real, and
<v Speaker 3>then then the real education came.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even going to tell you what the trailer
<v Speaker 2>for the next video was. That was at the end
<v Speaker 2>of his video, which I thought was good. Has the
<v Speaker 2>video ends the video with the trailer for another video cool?
<v Speaker 1>But it was.
<v Speaker 2>It was shocking. It was the greatest eight minutes of
<v Speaker 2>my life. I swear to you, I will think about
<v Speaker 2>that video on my deathbed, like that's going my bio
<v Speaker 2>and I will tell this, Okay, that's the most PG
<v Speaker 2>I can make that video.
<v Speaker 1>That's the most PG I can make it the way
<v Speaker 1>you just described it to us.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was shocking, like and then afterwards one guy's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>do you want to be in one of the videos
<v Speaker 2>one day? And I was like totally no, I don't,
<v Speaker 2>But I really like that they just have it and
<v Speaker 2>they just make it for themselves. It's just their p
<v Speaker 2>I have a collection and they just show it to
<v Speaker 2>each other and just make it just for them.
<v Speaker 1>They consenting adults.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, you want to pee on someone on a dirt road,
<v Speaker 2>knock your socks off?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go go wild. Wow. I was not expecting that
<v Speaker 1>at all.
<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, Nikki, thank you so much. This has
<v Speaker 3>been informative and.
<v Speaker 1>Find me get to redeem myself out of that. What
<v Speaker 1>would you like to why would you like to redeem yourself? Well,
<v Speaker 1>I am not terrible. You didn't make the film, It's true.
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed it though. You enjoyed diversity? Yes I did, Yes,
<v Speaker 1>I did.
<v Speaker 2>Yes inclusion, Yes, I did extreme inclusion.
<v Speaker 1>Yes. So keep things fun on the internet. Can you
<v Speaker 1>tell everyone where they can find you online? Please? Absolutely?
<v Speaker 2>So you can find me on If you're a strip
<v Speaker 2>chat model, please join our model discord. I do coaching
<v Speaker 2>there every single month, and I go in deep Google
<v Speaker 2>holes to find all the information that you need to
<v Speaker 2>be a success, because of course I work for you,
<v Speaker 2>and then you can also find me on social media.
<v Speaker 2>Twitter is I'm not active on so much anymore because
<v Speaker 2>my opinion where boners go to die now because it's
<v Speaker 2>so freaking doom scroll But I g yeah, camcoach, Nikki,
<v Speaker 2>you can find me there, and uh, I don't know, across.
<v Speaker 3>The web, someone watching and they're interested in getting into
<v Speaker 3>camming and they want maybe a little bit of guidance.
<v Speaker 3>They can like DM me on me.
<v Speaker 2>On Instagram, So I try not to go in there
<v Speaker 2>because it's full of d pics.
<v Speaker 4>I love how you just edited the dick after the
<v Speaker 4>story that you just told us like oh, let me
<v Speaker 4>be demure now, and also like you're afraid to look
<v Speaker 4>at them.
<v Speaker 2>It's well, I mean I'm not getting bathed, so no,
<v Speaker 2>thank you. But the best thing to do would be
<v Speaker 2>probably send me an email. I know email sucks, but
<v Speaker 2>Nikki at stripchat and Akki at stripchat dot com or
<v Speaker 2>again if you yeah, I mean you could send me.
<v Speaker 3>Actually, I think everyone has an email, right, they do
<v Speaker 3>have an email.
<v Speaker 2>But if you want to get me on IG just
<v Speaker 2>comment on one of my posts.
<v Speaker 1>Be like nick A, what's up.
<v Speaker 2>I want to do a comment on something, I'll reply
<v Speaker 2>and then I'll absolutely message.
<v Speaker 3>You and you guys, of course, can find me on
<v Speaker 3>Instagram and on x at Holly Randall. To support this podcast,
<v Speaker 3>you can join Patreon. It's patreon dot com slash Holly
<v Speaker 3>Randall and filter it. That's actually where we're streaming this
<v Speaker 3>live too right now, as well as of course to
<v Speaker 3>my strip chat account. You can also go go join
<v Speaker 3>me there. Go ahead and give them a follow on
<v Speaker 3>Instagram and on YouTube at scworld dot official. I believe
<v Speaker 3>they're on TikTok now too, SC dot official dot TikTok. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>all right, guys, thank you so much for joining me
<v Speaker 3>and I will see you on the next one.