Iconic Movie Characters With Minimal Screen Time + Movie Review: ‘The Devil All The Time’ + Who Had The Best Joker Laugh?

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Speaker 1: Hello, how are you welcome to Movie Mike's movie Podcast. I am a movie Mike on Twitter and Instagram at Mike Destro and on this episode, I'm talking all about iconic movie characters who you didn't realize have very little time on screen. Now, these are all very famous movies, and I'm gonna break down just exactly how many minutes they appear on screen. And I think it will surprise you and you may even feel ripped off that you only had this amount of time with your favorite characters from movies. But there's also a bit of science and theory to it, if you will, so we'll get into that as well. It kind of explains how to make a really great movie, so we'll get into that. We'll also get into how much they are saying they're gonna pay Joaquin Phoenix to make a sequel to The Joker, And I just want to break down not who the best Joker was, but just who had the best laughs. So I will break those down. We'll hear the laughs and get into all about The Joker. 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Alright, so I want to talk about iconic movie characters with very minimal screen time. And why I thought about this is because I saw a new story about one year where Tom Cruise wasn't the highest paid actor for the year, but he put out Jack Reacher, which made him about fifty three million dollars. And that's a movie where he's on screen for about a hundred and thirteen minutes, So that worked out to about twenty eight point one million dollars per hour. If I could make that much an hour, I would only work one hour every year for the rest of my life. But I am not Tom Cruise. I do not have that luxury of being a huge movie star. At minimum. I am a mediocre movie podcaster. But what I did think about is that's a pretty lengthy screen time for him to be on. And that's because that's a big Hollywood movie. If you go watch a movie with Tom Cruise, you want to see him the entire time. That's not necessarily the case when it comes to other movies, because sometimes in certain movies, less is more when there's some suspense to be created, when there's another store to be told, sometimes showing the thing that it seems the movie is actually about, and getting less screen time from that actually adds more to the movie. So what I want to cover here are instances where the main character actually isn't in the entire movie, and it turns out there and very few of it, And some of these would be kind of surprising to you to think of, Like, Okay, there's been entire fan bases there's been t shirts, posters, people have gotten tattoos of these characters, but they haven't even been on screen a whole lot in the history of these movies. So I'll break down some of the famous movies how long the actual movie is and how many minutes they actually appear on the screen. So first of all, let's start out with the original Jurassic Park and how few minutes the actual dinosaurs were in that movie. So you think Jurassic Park, okay, it has to be an entire movie about the dinosaurs, right. Well, with the runtime of two hours and seventeen minutes, the actual dinosaurs are only on screen for twenty minutes, and that is crazy because you get about six minutes of c g I dinosaurs. So some of those dinosaurs you see are entirely computer generated, and then the other fourteen minutes when they're on screen or actual like practical effects. So if you watch some of the behind the scenes stuff of Jurassic Park, they actually created like robotic dinosaurs that are fully functional. And I know you can't see me as that I'm doing this when I'm actually like acting out a robotic dinosaur while I'm recording this, But that's how they made those dinosaurs, So at twenty minutes of the dinosaurs, you have about a hundred and seven minutes where it's just humans. Now, in this case, it's partially because it's really expensive to make dinosaurs on screen. Not only do they have to create those robotic characters, but if you're doing a bunch of C G I dinosaurs, that's gonna quickly add up. And then back in the nineties, of course, you don't really have the same kind of technology we have now. I feel like in the more recent Jurassic Park sequels you've gotten more dinosaurs, but just crazy to think back watching that original movie that you don't really get a whole lot. A lot of it is anticipation, because you know, even the first time you see the t rex, it's like the shaking of the ground, it's the movement. It's the anticipation of them being chased by dinosaurs that almost makes it even more scarier. And then it also kind of builds anticipation to the very end of the movie where it's all a free for all the final battle and you get to see them in their full glory. I think if you saw the ninosaurs throughout the entire movie you really wouldn't care as much. But just crazy to think one of the biggest movies of the nineties, the main characters are only there for about twenty minutes. Let's talk about The Dark Night now. I'm gonna get into a thing later about the Joker, but I do want to add him into this list because Heath Ledger as the Joker was a very medacining presence on screen, and it almost doesn't even feel like Heath Ledger. It feels like he really embodied the Joker in this kind of way too, when you don't even recognize him, you just think that Joker exists in this world, a little bit different than I would say the Joakin Phoenix versions, where it's a little more noticeable that you're watching Jakin Phoenix be the Joker because you see his kind of downfall into the character. But with this one in the Dark Night, you're just me really immerged into the depiction that Heath Ledger created. But this movie is two hours and thirty two minutes, but you only get thirty three minutes of the Joker. And why is that important? You think such an important, iconic, memorable performance that one of an Oscar after his death. But I think it's the fact that he's just kind of sprinkled in there that when Joker is on the screen, you remember every single scene of that movie with him. So it's only in about one five of the movie, but that really makes it a lot more impactful. I think if you've got any more Joker in this movie, it would kind of take away from all those important scenes. I just bet that was a very tough thing to do when you're sitting down and editing this movie, of like you want to put him more into this movie, but kind of holding back and just having him developed and sprinkling throughout. I think it's really important to why this movie was so successful. And even on the other side of that, I almost feel like you only see Batman in very kind of sporadic moments too. And it's also really important once he's on screen as Batman and not Bruce Wayne. To go back in time a little bit now to the first Star Wars movie, which is Star Wars Episode four, A New Hope, which happens to be my favorite in the entire Star Wars franchise. This one has a runtime of two hours and five minutes, but Darth Vader, the ultimate villain is only in it for twelve minutes. Yeah, he's only in about ten percent of the entire movie, But I would say he's probably the most famous Star Wars character. I think he's more recognizable than any other one in the franchise. And my relationship with Star Wars is that I watched the new movies way before I watched the old original movies because I just never watched them growing up, and it wasn't until they came out with The Force Awakens that I saw that one in theaters and was like, Okay, I probably need to go back and rewatch all these movies because I've seen them referencing pretty much everything in pop culture. I just never sat down to watch them, and I was surprised watching them and realizing, isn't Darth in these a little bit more? Anytime you see this movie reference or any kind of clips shown, it probably has something with Darth Vader And just crazy to know that they only had twelve minutes to pick from. And then the other Star Wars character who makes my list is one that I when I rewatched the movies, I'm like, where is this guy got to come in? Because it's when I hear a bunch of people talk about and I'm like, where does he kick in? And it's Boba Fett and he is an episode five and six. So that's two movies. He's in Empire Strikes Back, which is a runtime of two hours and seven minutes, and then Return the Jedi, which is two hours and seventeen minutes, and Boba Fett is only in it for eighteen minutes in both of those movies. So you have this character that kind of has like a cult following. I don't think he's as recognizable it's all the other Star Wars characters, because I would just kind of see him and I would know it's Boba Fett. But I probably couldn't make him out of a line up in the beginning, and I didn't really know what the appeal to him was, Like, they don't really give him a big backstory when you're watching the movie. I wasn't that big of a Star Wars fan then to go and research where he came from in his entire origin, but he looked cool, and somehow I just had this enduring kind of relationship with fans and people who love Boba Fett, and all of that is just for a mere eighteen minutes on screen. That's a powerful eighteen minutes. So both of those were pretty surprising to me. Another one that was surprising was Beetlejuice. So this is a movie the entire thing is named after this character, Beetle Juice, played by Michael Keaton, one of his just most bizarre kind of breakout roles for him. And it's probably Tim Burton's best movie. I would say it's the most Tim Burton e movie. And I remember watching this as a kid and thinking it was just so quirky, and I was like, is this supposed to be scary as it's supposed to be a comedy, And I like that it kind of bridges that gap of just being weird. And like the other movies we've been talking about, you think Beetle Juice would be in a lot more, especially if his name is in the title of the movie. But not only is he only in seventeen minutes of the hour and a half, but it takes him seventy five minutes to even show up like fully on screen. So this is kind of a case where a character works really well and little bursts because I think if you go back and watch this movie. It's just so well done you don't really notice that he's not in the first whole chunk of the movie, because when he is, it's so just kind of crazy, outrageous. You're getting this unique performance and it's kind of misunderstood odd character that once he's on the screen, it really kind of just takes control of the entire movie. And it's the way Michael Keaton is just so kind of goofy but also like creepy and all like the ad lib stuff he did in this movie, and it's just cool to see how an actual movie character can be in the movie for such a little amount of time. But yet come every single Halloween, you can probably see a Beetle Juice walking down the street kind of staying in the horror space. You got Hannibal Lecter in the Silence of the Land. So probably Anthony hopkins most iconic role one that got him an Oscar, and the entire movie is two hours and eighteen minutes and he is only in it for twenty four So that's a pretty short amount of time to be on screen and to not only be nominated for an Oscar, but to win an Oscar. And I think he comes in about second of having the least amount of screen time and taking home a Best Actor Oscar. The only person that hasn't beat is probably somebody he would know, but his name is Devin and even he was in a movie called Separate Tables way back in the day and he won for Best Actor with only being in the movie for fifteen minutes. That's the old black and white movie. But in our lifetime, Anthony Hopkins has been really the only one who's done it, and it's mainly because he's terrifying in this movie. He's creepy, he's weird, he feels like pure evil and only appears in about fourteen percent of this entire movie. And he did end up playing the character again in later movies, but this was the smallest amount of screen time he got on one. As they go back in time a little bit more to a classic movie of the Wizard of Oz, and again it falls in the villain here because the wicked Witch of the West, who I would say has a lot of the most famous lines of this movie aside from Dorothy, even though she's only in it for twelve minutes and the whole movie is an hour and fifty two minutes. So The Wizard of Oz is just a movie that's been parodied a bunch over the years, and it's a lot to do with the characters in this movie. And you think about the movie and you realize it's more about the journey they take on this movie. It focuses on the characters more so than it does the villain in this movie. But nonetheless, Margaret Thatcher's performance in this has been ranked pretty iconic, and even with their my pretty line, she's only in it for twelve minutes, but it's a character and a role that will probably live on forever. All right. So now I want to talk about some more monster based movies where I think this kind of makes a little bit more sense. So I've heard interviews with directors like Steven Spielberg who say the key to making a great movie is not giving away the monster in the movie. The whole thing has to lead up to the reveal and the whole anticipation of seeing the monster on screen for the very first time. So there are certain movies that have done this so well and are so memorable, but you realize that you're only getting a little bit of the monster, And I think it adds just so much more to the movie because the whole time you're sitting in your chair wondering, like, Oh, what's he gonna look like? You know, what's he gonna do? How many people is he gonna kill? Like how is he going to first emerge? And then how are they going to take down the monster? And it's all about anticipation. So I really like it when a movie does something like they give you the first opening scene and it's something just so memorable that you maybe just get a glimpse of what's to come. They don't really give a whole lot of way early on, but then the whole time it's leading up to I want to see this thing. But when it's done really well, you're also kind of focused on the characters in this story and how they end up getting to this monster before you even realize it. So let's first talk about Jaws, which probably has on this list the least amount of screen time. The movie is two hours and ten minutes, and the first shark doesn't even appear until about an hour and twenty one minutes in, and then throughout the entire movie, Jaws is only on the screen for a total of four minutes. That's four minutes a shark movie. That's all you get. So this movie was directed by Steven Spielberg, and a lot of that had to do with because there was a lot of malfunctioning sharks when they made this movie. So it's basically like this actual giant robotic shark in like a big tank that they build inside of like a movie warehouse that they shot this movie. But they had a lot of problems, so they were kind of pushing it further and further back. So this is really like the first case where this whole theory was developed, and it was kind of on accident because Steven Spielberg was like, Okay, we don't have the capability to show this shark, but what we're gonna do is create anticipation with the music and shooting things from like the sharks point of view to where you're creating that tension and that you know, feeling that you're actually viewing it from the point of the shark in the movie, but you're not actually seeing it. So it's not until like the end of the movie where they come face to face with the shark. He jumps on the boat, creates that iconic scene and it makes it just so much more impactful and memorable, even though you feel like you kind of got ripped off by going to see a shark movie and having very little shark action. But this is kind of created the template for a great monster movie. Now there are more movies that kind of follow in this category, movies like Alien, which is an hour and fifty seven minutes, but you only get three minutes and thirty six seconds of the actual alien, and you don't get the first glimpse of the alien until about an hour into the entire movie, and you don't get the full shot until about an hour and eight minutes. In the same kind of deal here where you have an alien the spaceship and you can really only show glimpses of it, but it's almost more kind of menacing to know that alien is lurking around behind every corner. But then when it actually appears on the screen and Rex's habit, it makes up for it with a body count of about nine people in this one. So it really doesn't take a lot of screen time to make a monster scary, and that's kind of what's shown with this formula. Another really great example where I thought this was really well done. Was a movie in two thousand and eight which was clover Field, which, at the time, like the shaky cam kind of found footage was kind of a trendy thing going on. But I think Cloverfield did a really good job of it, and I think it was a kind of an underrated movie. But I think what people had a problem with was the whole lead up to this movie and it coming out in theaters and the promotion they kind of did was what are these creatures gonna look like? So Matt Reeves is the guy who directed this movie, and he cited Alien and Jaws as his kind of inspiration for this movie, saying that there's nothing more terrifying than the dread and anticipation of seeing something, and that's really what you get in this movie. The whole time you're wondering what these creatures who are destroying Matt and They're gonna look like. And you get very kind of brief glimpses of them in the very beginning when the all the destruction is going down, and then almost even less as they're actually like trying to run from it and people are, you know, just dying all around them, So you get the first partial glimpse about twenty minutes into this movie, but you don't get that first full shot until about an hour and four minutes, and the entire movie they only have three minutes and twenty six seconds of screen time. But I remember, even before this movie came out of seeing like fan drawings of what they thought the monsters were gonna look like and people having like theories about it. I thought that was just so cool. And I know that it was kind of a trend at that time to do these kind of found footage movies, but I think this one did it extremely well, And even to this day, I don't even remember exactly what the monsters look like, but the movie kind of was a roller coaster for that, and it was one that you got a lot of watching in the theaters because you get to see other people react to it, and it's a lot of fun. I mean, you see this even like with Godzilla back in the day, you don't get a whole lot of actual Godzilla in the movie, but it's just that anticipation of seeing him for the first time. Another alien movie was Super eight, which came out inn and this when you've got Steven Spielberg and j j Abrams teaming up and for a movie that's an hour and fifty two minutes, you only get about two minutes and thirty seconds of the actual aliens in this movie. And what J. J Abrams said about this, he says, you want to see the monster, but at the same time, there's something wonderful about it being withheld or hidden just off camera. And it's kind of that idea of you create the nightmare inside your head, and sometimes in movies which you don't see is worse than what you do see, and even things with like cliffhangers of wondering how something ends, you know, somebody living or dying at the end of the movie. Sometimes it's the plot line you create in your head that could be even more impactful, which I know could sound of a cheap way to get out of something, but when it comes to monster movies, I just think it really works. And we'll stay in the alien category to a movie that came out in two thousand two called Signs that comes from m Night Shamalan and another one that I felt you get the really full effect watching it in a movie theater, and I think the first time I was really scared while watching a movie in theaters was when I went to go see this and that first time you get that glimpse of this lanky, creepy looking alien, and it happens about twenty minutes into the movie. You see the news report scene come on and they're like, okay, we're gonna show you an alien for the first time on the news and it's really just an alien walking across an alley and you see it and they freeze frame on it, and I remember being so scared that driving home that night, I was like, oh crap, we're gonna see an aliene on the way home. Like that's how much that scene affected me. But the movie is an hour and forty seven minutes and you only get one minute and fifty seconds of actual aliens, and most of that is in the very last scene. And I think it almost worked the advantage of this movie not to show the aliens, because when they did show of them up close, they almost looked weird and kind of cartoonist where you almost didn't believe it. So I don't have a problem with the aliens not being shown so much. I think it's more so the ending of this movie. But they did create that tension of just showing them a little bit, and then when they do show them, it's a lot more scary. All right, So I'll get off of monsters for a bit, and ended with some animated movies. Now, one of my favorite Disney movies was the original Lion King, And aside from Simba and Mufasa, the ones you probably know the most from the movie are to Moan and Pumba, But what you don't realize is they don't really come into the movie until almost like halfway through when Simba leaves Pride Rock and meets to Mon and Puma, like they're really just in the middle part of the movie, and then have kind of one scene at the very end, but yet they're so kind of vital to moving the movie along to get Simba back to Pride Rock, but also kind of being the comic relief in this movie and a movie that's almost has a plot line of being too dark for a kid's movie, because if you turn this into a straight drama without to Mon and Boomba, it would just straight up being a movie about somebody's dad getting murdered and then going back to kill their uncles. So without to Mote and Boomba, thinking a kuna matata. That's really all the Lion King is. And I know they put out Lion King one and a half, which tells the Lion King story from their point of view, But when you see that movie, you almost realize that having too much to mote and boomba isn't really what you want. It's like too much of the comedy zany part that you realize they're almost more impactful to have less of them. Another example is the Minions in the first Despicable Me movie, because they're kind of the breakout star of the Despicable Mean movies, like they're the face of those movies. But really in those movies, they're just in the background. They're just doing weird things that make us laugh, but we see the movie. But when they came out with the actual Minions movie, it was kind of like eating a bowl of Lucky Charms with all marshmallows. You think that's what you want, but when you eat it, it's like, oh man, this is so much sugar and this is so hard to eat, Like it's too much sweet to just watch. The Minions. Don't get me wrong, While they are funny and cute and say ridiculous things that make us laugh. Having a movie entirely about the minions was a bit like jumping the shark. So there you go. There's a look into some iconic movie characters in the actual time they actually appear on screen. I did mention the Joker in that list, and I do want to talk about him more because there may be a possibility for a Joker's sequel with Joaquin Phoenix, and I want to look at that deal and also talk about who had the best Joker laugh. So we'll do that next. Al Right, So I want to take a minute and talk about the Joker because I saw last week that it's reported that Joaquin Phoenix has been offered fifty million dollars to make not one, but two sequels to The Joker. Now, what's surprising to me is that they really haven't really announced that they're making sequel, and they still have to get a bunch of people on board. So not only do they what King Phoenix, they want the director Todd Phillips and the producer Bradley Cooper, yes, the Bradley Cooper to all be a part of the sequels, to have the same team aboard and kind of have the same impact that the first one did, because if you take away any of those players in this you might not get the same result. Now, I don't think this movie needs a sequel, but if it came out, I would watch it because I just love the first one how it kind of exists as its own little piece and slice into the Joker. That's it. That's all you need in this movie, That's all you need to kind of discover. They kind of lend themselves to different ways they could go, and they could connect them with the other DC movies, but I just think this one should stand alone, like don't mess with something that was so great and one of my favorite movies of last year, Like my favorite movie of last year was this, And I think it's because what Phoenix had an entire movie to develop the character, so you see him go from being this odd, strange character too diving into full insanity and straight up being out of his mind. Now I liked his performance more than I did Heath Ledger. Now, I don't argue with the fact of how iconic that role was and how important that was to changing the way comic book movies are made. But like I was talking about earlier, he is only in thirty three minutes of that movie, he's not the main character, and that if we had an entire Heath Ledger movie, now, that would be insane. So I even with this offer of him getting tons of money, which fifty million dollars is a lot to do two movies, I'd say the top A list actors make about twenty million dollars per movie, so this would be on the higher end of the pay scale, And if they're offering him fifty million, there's no doubt that they would offer him more if he declined it. But I also don't think that the director, Todd Phil it's even open to doing more. He was like, you know what we did the one. I don't really see this developing into a whole franchise. But in Hollywood, you get one hit movie and they want a million hit movies. So I don't think this is a franchise that should be milked out for all that it's worth. I think you keep it at one. But I just think there's just so much money to be made, and you can't not toy with that fact because they only spent sixty million and ended up making a billion, so there's a pretty good margin to make some more money. And I know we could argue on here for a long time of who had the best Joker performance, and that's not what I want to talk about today. I just want to talk about who had the best Joker laugh? And that's kind of the thing. The Joker is known for his crazy, over the top wardrobe, but it's really that laugh that kind of gets you and if the actor can do it perfectly, well, it's bone chilling. So for this list, I threw the question up on Twitter and asked just who has the best Joker laugh? And I pulled the four biggest actors who have portrayed the Joker on the big screen. So before we get to the results, let's just see our nominees in this category. Coming up from the movie The Joker, you have Joaquin Phoenix, and now the second choice considered here, you have Heath Ledger in The Dark Night as the Joker. And then because he thought he was gonna be a bigger deal than he actually was in a movie that ended up being kind of bad, I gotta throw in Jared Leto in The Suicide Squad. And then you got the O G. Jack Nicholson back in the original Batman and here's his memorable laugh. So I put that question up. I tallied up the votes, and I was a bit surprised. I kind of had an idea who you guys would rank is number one. I just didn't know he was gonna win by this much. But coming in in the last place at number four with only six percent of the vote was Jared Leto, which when they made Jared Letto's Joker costume and his look for this movie, they kind of went totally different, like they wanted him to be kind of, I guess, an alternative looking Joker or just something that was so kind of more comic, bookie and weird. I just don't think people liked it with like all the tattooed ha has and the grill, like, I just don't think it really worked. And he was also only in the movie for a very brief amount of time, really added nothing to it. But I thought he did have at least a cool laugh. But yeah, came in at fourth place. Then coming in at third was Joaquin Phoenix from The Joker. Now I really liked wa Kaine Phoenix is laughing this. I just thought it was so maniacal and you got this feeling of him having like real serious mental problems that weren't funny. And also what I looked about it is how he could turn it off and turn it on. So there's that scene where he's like walking out and he's laughing like crazy, but then he just immediately jumps back into being normal and buttoning up his shirt. But that was only enough to get him third place. Coming in at number two was Jack Nicholson from the original Batman. Now, it's kind of weird to go back and watch Jack Nicholson because while he does do a really great job as the Joker, and he kind of laid the groundwork for everybody else, he likes set the bar for the Joker, it's still very much Jack Nicholson, and hearing him laugh almost has a more comedic field than it does the other Jokers. It's less serious and creepy, but iconic nonetheless. And then coming in at number one with a surprising sixty one per cent of the entire boat, so Jack Nicholson had twenty, but straight up sweeping the pole was Heath Ledger. Now, not only did Heath Ledger get down to laugh perfectly, I thought, it's more so the mannerisms and the weird lips, Max and all those kind of things that he added to the character is why I think it was just such a powerful, a memorable performance, Like he really made the Joker a presence and a kind of larger than live character to where you forget that this is somebody acting and portraying somebody on screen. You just think that in some world this person exists. So that's how you guys voted. You think Heath Ledger has the best Joker laugh. And I know there have been other people who have played the Joker in other kind of variations, but I just thought those were like the core. For maybe ten years down the line will have an entirely different Joker to add to the list. But there you go. All right. Now, I want to talk about the brand new Netflix movie The Devil. All the time I was excited to see this one. I didn't want to know a whole lot about the plot going into it because I kind of wanted to be surprised, and I was so I knew it was gonna be a darker side of Tom Holland I wanted to see Robert Pattinson in it. And there's a lot of cool things that happened in this movie. Also a lot of disturbing things that happened in this movie, So I'll get into my spoiler free review, but first here's just a little bit of the Devil all the time time First Center did something, it's called delusion. I believe that is untrue. It is out delusion the lead us to see delusions. So there's a lot to unpack on this movie, So let's just start with the cast. First of all, you have Tom Holland, who is really just known right now for playing Spider Man, and I thought the main thing for me watching this movie was gonna be can I see him as anything other than that? Because in Spider Man, the reason he works so well is because he had a fresh take on it to where he's like excited to be a part of the Avengers. He's very much a teenager and like everything's brand new to him. He has a kind of bubbly kids like personality that I think works for Spider Man. But it's also like could that translate into other deeper, darker roles, which will it into later of how he did an this one, But that was the main thing I was looking for in this one. And then you have Robert Pattinson, who is quietly becoming one of my favorite actors right now because all the recent movies he's been in that are more dramatic roles, I've really just wanted to see to see how he takes them on. And I'm rarely disappointed with the Robert Pattinson performance. I'm a little upset I haven't been able to see Tenant. I want to see that. But everything I've seen him in it's like, okay, Like he's actually a really great actor with a very great range that I don't think he gets enough credit for. And I think it's still that people hold him to being Edward from Twilight, which I think he's way far from that. Like the first Twilight came out in two thousand and eight, He's moved on so much more from there that I think he really deserves a lot of credits. So you got have him in here, you'll sell Bill scars Guard who maybe you might not recognize his face, And I didn't really put it together at the very beginning either, And once I looked at out, I was like, oh, wait, that's where I know him from. He plays Pennywise, the Clown and the IT movies and which is such a crazy role to play, and seeing him be a normal person was pretty cool in this too, because he's known for kind of having those crazy, sick like facial features that goes along with it, and I can only imagine the depths of your brain you have to go into play a character like that. It was cool to have him in just a normal role I say normally, even though he does some pretty crazy things in this movie too. And then you also have Sebastian stand who plays Bucky in the Captain America and the Avengers movies. So basically in this movie you have the New Batman, Spider Man, and Bucky from the Avengers altogether in one but they are playing totally different characters outside of anything you've ever seen them in before. I really liked Sebastian Stands character in this movie. So let's talk about what the movie was about. So it's said in like a small town in like southern Ohio or like West Virginia. It kind of starts off with this, and it really just follows these kind of bizarre characters and how all their stories kind of intertwined. And what I what's interested in the beginning is it starts with like thirty minutes of a totally different story as Tom Holland as a kid and mainly follows the story of his dad, who was a soldier in World War Two, and then the movie moves into the sixties, but it starts out with him getting out of the army and then going on to start a family and that's kind of where all the kind of crazy, sad stuff happened. So it's really a movie about all of the characters trying to protect their loved ones, and there's this balance of good and evil and this, you know, this kind of line of religion throughout the entire movie, intertwined with a bunch of murder and death and all these really sad things. So there's a lot to unpack on this one. It's very dark, and I gotta admit that by the title of the movie, I thought there was gonna be some kind of like horror element to it. I thought maybe there'd be like some possession or some kind of demons just from the title of it. But it's really people battling these evil forces inside of them. And like I said, they're trying to protect the people in their life, but they're having to do it with realizing what is a good thing and what is a bad thing when it comes to protecting those around you. Like Tom Holland's characters saw some crazy things and experience some very crazy trauma as a child in this movie, and that kind of sets up the entire movie of how he is and how he reacts to his loved ones and protecting those people around him, and he becomes traumatized by what happens to his dad and also by all costs is going to do what he can to protect his family here. And what I liked about Tom Holland's character is this he has to fight this line of he's seeing as the good guy in this movie, but he does some things that are kind of questionable, like you wouldn't see him really as like your typical good guy, but you're still rooting for him throughout the entire movie. So I don't want to give away all the plot points because I think it really kind of comes together and it's kind of a more of a mystery than anything to watch. So giving away specific plot points through the movie I think would ruin it for you. But I just want to talk about some of the themes that throughout the movie that it kind of tackled in a unique way, and I saw a lot of people kind of saying that this movie was a little bit of Oscar Babe, but I didn't really get that from from the movie. Like I know, you have like this really stacked cast and they're doing like maybe really high level performances, But there was nothing about this that felt forced or like they were just going after like, Okay, we're gonna make a movie and get it automatically nominated for an Oscar. I don't think that's what they were going for here. I think it's more so the themes they decided to tackle, which will stand apart from any other movie that it maybe up against if it does get nominated, because it tackles religion, sex, and death and that how all of those go back to good and evil. So it's a really unique story that I wasn't expecting. It was also very hard to watch. There's some moments where it's like, oh, this is kind of making my stomach turn a little bit. And there's also a lot of anticipatient and dread and just worrying about what's going to happen next. But there's some tough images there and it's not, like I said, not necessarily a horror movie, but very violent, very kind of dark imagery and dark performances. But in that it was also just refreshing to see something like this right now. It's also a little bit of a time commitment at over two hours, which I thought ended up being fine. I actually think this one needs that amount of time to take kind of course throughout the entire movie. Um, it does start out a little slow, like I said, like those first thirty minutes are kind of just building the story of what comes to fruition later in the movie, but I thought that was important. I wouldn't have taken that out. Um. The thing that did kind of stand out was Robert Pattinson's performance because he plays a preacher in the movie who comes to town and he has a Southern accent. So Robert Pattinson's a British actor if he didn't know, and in this movie he speaks with the Southern draw actually saw that. Robert Pattinson didn't reveal like his Southern accent to the director until he was actually on set and performing a scene like that's what he decided to show them what he'd come up with, because they wanted him to take like speech lessons and find a way to get a southern accent that worked in the movie, but he was like, I don't want to do that. I'm gonna do this on my own and kind of figure it out. And when they heard his voice, all I said was the first time they heard it, and it's what they ended up using in the movie. It was a little weird, a little distracting at times, and I saw some people commenting about it online as well. So I think in the end it works because he's a great actor, but maybe he could have dialed it in a little bit more. But here's an example of him speaking in the movie in a Southern accent. I was gonna take care of everything. I ain't gonna take the blame. It was a ruined me mane. I cannot understand that. K. Yeah, so an interesting take on that to say the least. But overall I ended up really liking this movie, even though at times it was hard to watch. There was just so much to be said about watching someone go through despair and watching someone suffer loss, and having all those teams come together and make you question things and how this movie was put together in piece together like a mystery that you're wanting to follow along and figure out, how is this all gonna end? How is this going to come together? Like what is the goal here? I thought it was satisfying when it came to the end, So that was really important because there was so much build up, in so much kind of different layers to this movie that if it didn't pay off in the end, I would be like, this was terrible. But it really kind of played that line. And I think my biggest takeaway from everything about this movie was that Tom Holland has it as being a really great dramatic actor, like and no point was I questioning whether or not like he could do the dramatic stuff, even like the the fight scenes and the more violent stuff, Like I was rooting for him and I wanted to see more of him in this kind of role. So I hope he kind of still, you know, sticks around with the Marvel universe in play Spider Man throughout how many movies they want to make with that. But I think it would be easy for him to hop into doing more dramatic roles on the side and coming out with more movies like this, Like I would watch them more often and my other takeaway was, Yeah, I think Robert Pattinson is becoming one of my go to actors to where I will probably watch any movie that he puts out right now, Like I'm so kind of zonedn't know what he's doing, and I find him so interesting and compelling on screen that I'm gonna kind of commit myself to consider and putting him in like my top five actors of the last ten years, and maybe I'll work on that list because I just think he's up there. I think he has the chops to take on different roles like this, and you know, he hasn't really done like a big major Hollywood blockbuster like a Twilight again, but he doesn't really need to anymore. He can kind of dive into playing these more unique characters. So all in all, I would give it four out of five Crucifixes. You do have to prepare yourself a little bit of you know, expecting to see some dark images. It's a little dark and twisted and heavy. So if you're not ready for that kind of movie, maybe not the one for you. But if you're into like mystery suspense in a little bit of horror, I think you'll actually enjoy this movie, all right, And that's the episode for this week. But before I hop out of here, I gotta give my shout out. I do it every single week to one of you guys are listening who tweets me or sends me a message on Instagram, So that's all you have to do, or you can tag me in your Instagram story a screen child if you're listening to this week's episode or in the episode for that matter. I'll repost those and then pick somebody to shout out each week. But this week I got a shout out to Andrew Mullen. He's at a w M Underscore seventeen on Twitter. And Andrew, I you see over there all the time, tweeting and replying, interacting with the podcast, and listening every single Monday. I think one of the longest listeners of this podcast. So I really appreciate that. Thanks. Andrew. Just wanted to give you a shout out here. And if you find yourself board and looking for something else to listen to, we actually have a bunch of podcasts here on the Nashville Podcast Network that you can go check out and listen to. And we actually just launched a brand new podcast called Too Much to Say with Kaylee Shore. The first episode is available now wherever you're listening to this just searched too Much to Say with Kaylee Shore. She's somebody who I followed on Twitter for a while now just one of my favorite people to follow because she's just so funny, always has a unique take on things. She's also a country artist, and we're really excited to have her part of the network. So go check out her latest episode show or Some Love over there and subscribe to that as well. I hope you guys have a good week. I will talk to you guys next time here and until then later m hmm.