Ep:148 It Wasn't A Man

<v Speaker 1>Gets to that time of day where you can really
<v Speaker 1>start to see things and you hear the woods come alive,
<v Speaker 1>you can hear the bird, you hear the small animals
<v Speaker 1>moving around. I start to hear sounds behind me and
<v Speaker 1>back to my right in the distance, and I'm thinking,
<v Speaker 1>what is this I'm hearing that. I realize it's actually football,
<v Speaker 1>you know. I can hear crunch, crunch, crunch, and I
<v Speaker 1>see someone standing there, but it's not a someone. And
<v Speaker 1>I remember, I've gone through this in my head so
<v Speaker 1>many times over the years. I remember mentally trying to
<v Speaker 1>force what I'm looking at into something I knew, a
<v Speaker 1>horse or cow, something like that, and it's a back
<v Speaker 1>lit by the sun. I thought, this is not either
<v Speaker 1>one of those, and it's not a man. It's just
<v Speaker 1>large hair covered things standing there on two legs. And
<v Speaker 1>I'd never even heard a big foot.
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to welcome Dave to the show. Dave emailed
<v Speaker 2>me with an interesting picture and in my opinion, a
<v Speaker 2>lot of strangeness going on where he's at currently. But
<v Speaker 2>this all started a long time ago for you, if
<v Speaker 2>you don't mind kind of take us through the details
<v Speaker 2>of how bigfoot came into your life.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, I appreciate the introduction, isn't it. First of all,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a researcher or anything like that. I'm just
<v Speaker 1>the person who I like to spend time in the outdoors.
<v Speaker 1>And I grew up in rural East Texas, and when
<v Speaker 1>I was really young, my dad would take us hunting
<v Speaker 1>out in the woods and primarily in the Davy Crockett
<v Speaker 1>National Forest area. And my dad was former military and
<v Speaker 1>no nonsense in the woods. And we were Native Americans,
<v Speaker 1>so we respect everything in the woods, and so we
<v Speaker 1>sort of knew how to behave accordingly from my brothers,
<v Speaker 1>and I did from a young age. And so when
<v Speaker 1>I was eleven, we had moved from the rural part
<v Speaker 1>down to the Beaumont put Arthur area on the coast,
<v Speaker 1>but we would go back and visit our grandparents quite
<v Speaker 1>often because they were still up there. And I'd had
<v Speaker 1>family in that area since eighteen thirty six. Wow, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>same year Davy Crockett passed through those same parts, my
<v Speaker 1>third great grandfather came into that area. So been in
<v Speaker 1>that area ever since. And while it was in November
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one, I was eleven years old and we
<v Speaker 1>drove up from Beaumont for Arthur area, and we'd say
<v Speaker 1>at my grandparents' house and my dad would get us
<v Speaker 1>up really early every morning and we'd go deer hunting.
<v Speaker 1>Obviously it's a jeer season for white tail. So like
<v Speaker 1>we did every time, we'd drive out to the same spot,
<v Speaker 1>which is just west of Gropton, Texas. Groton is the
<v Speaker 1>county seat of Trinity County, Texas, and to an area
<v Speaker 1>that's now known as Westville. Not maybe a few people
<v Speaker 1>live out there now, and it's obviously named Westville because
<v Speaker 1>it's west of Gropton, and it's an area people referred
<v Speaker 1>to as the Why. It's where there are two eighty
<v Speaker 1>seven splits and goes up toward Crockett, Texas and ninety
<v Speaker 1>four goes down toward Trinity, Texas. And we'd go down
<v Speaker 1>the toward Trinity a bit and then pull off on
<v Speaker 1>this dirt road and drive till the dead ended. We'd
<v Speaker 1>get out there. It was dark as night because the
<v Speaker 1>sun had yet to come up, and my dad we'd
<v Speaker 1>get out of the car be as quiet as we could.
<v Speaker 1>My dad would have a flashlight which he points straight
<v Speaker 1>down to Rowland. He'd lead a younger brother of mine.
<v Speaker 1>It was just about a year or four months younger
<v Speaker 1>to his spot where he would stay and wait for
<v Speaker 1>the sun to come up, and then he'd lead me
<v Speaker 1>to my spot, and then my dad would go off
<v Speaker 1>further west, and then he'd eventually turn north and then
<v Speaker 1>wait for the sun to come up, and he would
<v Speaker 1>sort of move toward us through the woods. And so
<v Speaker 1>while he was sort of actively hunting, moving taking a
<v Speaker 1>few steps looking around, my brother and I were what
<v Speaker 1>they call still we'd still hunt where we're just sitting
<v Speaker 1>there waiting to see if you could drive anything toward us.
<v Speaker 1>It was one morning in particular, like I said, November,
<v Speaker 1>there's those crisp East Texas fall days where it was
<v Speaker 1>probably in upper forties fifty and the air it was
<v Speaker 1>just clear. It felt good, you could, you know, the
<v Speaker 1>birds and squirreled all pretty happy. And so I'm sitting
<v Speaker 1>there on my stand. I'm sitting at the base of
<v Speaker 1>a small oak tree where I have a couple of
<v Speaker 1>lines of sight to the left and to the right.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting on my backside with my legs right in
<v Speaker 1>front of me stretched out. Now I'm left handed, so
<v Speaker 1>I have a four to ten single shotgun with a
<v Speaker 1>one round the slug in it, and so that's against
<v Speaker 1>my right shoulder and have the barrel resting down across
<v Speaker 1>my legs. And so gets to that time of day
<v Speaker 1>where you can really start to see things, and you
<v Speaker 1>hear the woods come alive, you can hear the birds,
<v Speaker 1>you hear the small animals moving around, and I start
<v Speaker 1>to hear sounds too behind me and back to my
<v Speaker 1>right in the distance. And at this point, like I said,
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of gray, but the sun's really starting to
<v Speaker 1>come up. So back in that direction is towards the
<v Speaker 1>rising sun, and I'm thinking, what is this I'm hearing?
<v Speaker 1>And I realize it's actually footballs and I could distinctly
<v Speaker 1>hear it because of the leaves underfoot. And We've gone
<v Speaker 1>out there to this place countless times and there's no
<v Speaker 1>one that hunts out there, and so I'm thinking, there
<v Speaker 1>must be someone out here that's hunting, and what the
<v Speaker 1>heck is he doing? Because about the most profane word
<v Speaker 1>I knew in my mind at that age was levenear
<v Speaker 1>was jackass, Because I hear this guy and I'm thinking,
<v Speaker 1>what is this jackass doing? Is you know, I can
<v Speaker 1>hear crunch crunch, crunch, And my little amused thought didn't
<v Speaker 1>last long, because then it crossed my mind in a
<v Speaker 1>flash that this guy was walking toward me from about
<v Speaker 1>my four o'clock So I'm sitting, I'm facing north. This
<v Speaker 1>guy is coming from back toward the southeast, and I
<v Speaker 1>think anybody inexperience enough hunting to not try to be
<v Speaker 1>out in the woods me quiet, I'm not. That's not
<v Speaker 1>someone I would be taught to trust. And the fact
<v Speaker 1>that he's walking toward me is becoming really unnerving, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to say, I think, what should I do?
<v Speaker 1>What should I do? I'm gonna have to let this
<v Speaker 1>person know I'm here, And even if he's somehow moves
<v Speaker 1>his sort of trajectory a little bit, he's going to
<v Speaker 1>be walking somewhat in the direction my dad's coming from,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm fearful that he might see my dad. You know,
<v Speaker 1>some people, I've heard him joke they'll just shoot if
<v Speaker 1>they hear a sound. So all this is racing, racing,
<v Speaker 1>racing to my mind, and I just about decided I'm
<v Speaker 1>going to sort of make a clear my throat that
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. When the guy gets close enough, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, well, that make enough soundly shoot at me.
<v Speaker 1>All this is just racing, racing, racing. At that point,
<v Speaker 1>I waste enough time in fear of trying to decide
<v Speaker 1>what to do that this guy had come up right
<v Speaker 1>behind me and suddenly just came to a stop. So
<v Speaker 1>he's about fifteen feet to back right, and I'm sitting,
<v Speaker 1>like I said, on the ground against this in anticipation
<v Speaker 1>of the way he was walking. I had my head
<v Speaker 1>turned as far as I could to the right, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm using my peripheral vision to look at so so
<v Speaker 1>I can see this guy. At that point, I had
<v Speaker 1>not made a sound, and I thought, well, he stopped,
<v Speaker 1>so he must see me. And like I said, I'm
<v Speaker 1>looking back sort of in the direction of the sun,
<v Speaker 1>and I see someone standing there, but it's not a someone.
<v Speaker 1>And I remember I've gone through this in my head
<v Speaker 1>so many times over the year. I remember mentally trying
<v Speaker 1>to puce what I'm looking at into something I knew, no,
<v Speaker 1>a horse or cow, something like that. And it's back
<v Speaker 1>lit by the sun. I thought, this is not either
<v Speaker 1>one of those, and it's not a man. It's large
<v Speaker 1>sort of chocolate coverard hair covered things standing there on
<v Speaker 1>two legs and I had never even heard a big
<v Speaker 1>but never I remember when I was in I was
<v Speaker 1>that was my first year in middle school. I was
<v Speaker 1>sixth grade at this time. When I was in elementary school,
<v Speaker 1>kids would joke about the goat man's going to get you.
<v Speaker 1>That was a term I heard a lot, and even
<v Speaker 1>hearing that, I think that's just a story people make
<v Speaker 1>up to keep young people from going out and parking
<v Speaker 1>on country roads and necking and stuff like that. So
<v Speaker 1>you know, the goat man isn't anything real. It's just
<v Speaker 1>they believe. I so goat man. I was familiar with
<v Speaker 1>the term. But here is something I never heard of,
<v Speaker 1>and it's standing there about fifteen feet away. And the
<v Speaker 1>last lucid thought that I had was why is this
<v Speaker 1>guy breathing so hard? He wasn't walking because he's going.
<v Speaker 1>Then I'm thinking, and then it hit me, He's not
<v Speaker 1>breathing hard from exertion. He smalls me and he knows
<v Speaker 1>I'm there. And like I said, I was looking to
<v Speaker 1>my back right pur pro vision, and I just had
<v Speaker 1>this horrible sinking feeling and the next thing I knew,
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking down at my lap. Oh twenty hindsight, I know,
<v Speaker 1>I painted the fact that I'm sitting down up against
<v Speaker 1>this tree. I'm still upright, so to speak. When I
<v Speaker 1>sort of got gathered my wits or revived from the faint,
<v Speaker 1>I slowly look up and turn again, and I think,
<v Speaker 1>what is this thing going to do to me? And
<v Speaker 1>it's still breathing like that, and I'm thinking, my god,
<v Speaker 1>this thing's gonna kill me or whatever, and it's gonna
<v Speaker 1>be suddenly go. Just all I can describe is a
<v Speaker 1>sort of a disgusted grunt snort like ah. And it
<v Speaker 1>turned and walked away to my back left, sort of
<v Speaker 1>at the same pace, not heard off in that direction.
<v Speaker 1>And I sat there until I couldn't hear the footballs anymore.
<v Speaker 1>But I was just so I know, I am sure
<v Speaker 1>I was in a state of shop because it just
<v Speaker 1>didn't register with anything right that, Like I said, any
<v Speaker 1>known quantity with me. I can say all the times
<v Speaker 1>my dad would come and go, when he'd drop, when
<v Speaker 1>he'd walk away in the morning, and then when he
<v Speaker 1>had slowly come back, he'd always whistle when he got close,
<v Speaker 1>so I know he was getting close. And my dad's
<v Speaker 1>six feet tall, so relative to seeing him from a
<v Speaker 1>sitting position, there on that deerstand so many times I
<v Speaker 1>knew this thing was probably six two six thirty maybe,
<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't overly tall, but it was very bare
<v Speaker 1>well built, and with the sun back lighting it almost
<v Speaker 1>gave it a sort of a red halo tinge around it.
<v Speaker 1>The hair hair tips, that makes sense. Yeah, And I
<v Speaker 1>couldn't really see its face because, like I said, with
<v Speaker 1>the sun behind it, it's in shadow. All I could
<v Speaker 1>see was this very well put together thing, and its
<v Speaker 1>head was sort of comb shape, you know, because I'm
<v Speaker 1>there looking up at it so I can really focus
<v Speaker 1>my with my purpul vision. I was more focused on
<v Speaker 1>the top part of its body. I didn't move my
<v Speaker 1>head around to see what its feet looked like or
<v Speaker 1>anything else. Sometimes, you know, when I go over and
<v Speaker 1>over it, this is in my mind. I thought, if
<v Speaker 1>I were to leaned around to get a look good
<v Speaker 1>look at it, what would have what would it have done?
<v Speaker 1>I'll never know.
<v Speaker 2>After it walked off and you could no longer hear it,
<v Speaker 2>did you go find your dad or what did you do?
<v Speaker 2>Did you stay at the tree?
<v Speaker 1>No? I just stayed there. I didn't move a muscle.
<v Speaker 1>I was so I was so petrified that I didn't move, because,
<v Speaker 1>like I said, I couldn't even begin to process what
<v Speaker 1>I had just seen. And so I even looked at
<v Speaker 1>it for several seconds before I know I painted, and
<v Speaker 1>I looked at it for a few more seconds once
<v Speaker 1>I came out of the paint or walked off. So
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea how much time lapsed in between,
<v Speaker 1>but I wouldn't think it would be that much, right.
<v Speaker 1>But in other words, from my position, I think I
<v Speaker 1>got it as good to look at it at at
<v Speaker 1>it as I could have without really leaning around the
<v Speaker 1>tree to try to look directly at it. Oh wow, No,
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't. Like I said, my dad was
<v Speaker 1>form a military marks and ship badges and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 1>Here's no nonsense in the woods. So I didn't dare
<v Speaker 1>say anything to him, even think I was out of
<v Speaker 1>my mind or whatever. And so it was just one
<v Speaker 1>of those things I let fester in my brain. And
<v Speaker 1>the next year, in nineteen seventy two, we went to
<v Speaker 1>watch a movie called Legend of Boggy Creek, which I
<v Speaker 1>know pretty much everybody's heard of at this point. And
<v Speaker 1>when that movie started going on and I saw the
<v Speaker 1>lay of the land, the woods and the creeks and
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, how much it looked like where we hunted.
<v Speaker 1>And then that thing, that's when I knew what I
<v Speaker 1>had seen. Boy, that movie scared the hell out of me.
<v Speaker 1>It scared me so bad that I really didn't want
<v Speaker 1>to ever hunt again. I'm not afraid of the woods,
<v Speaker 1>but I just never wanted to be in that position again.
<v Speaker 1>But that movie sort of, in my young mind, explained
<v Speaker 1>a lot to me about what I've seen, and so
<v Speaker 1>that was sort of my introduction to those critters.
<v Speaker 2>That's quite the introduction, man. I mean, that encounter is
<v Speaker 2>something that I think would really impact anyone who had it,
<v Speaker 2>let alone eleven year old kid, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Oh exactly. And to me, that's the one thing that well,
<v Speaker 1>there are several things that vallidate me what I saw
<v Speaker 1>is I had no preconceived notion of this, you know,
<v Speaker 1>that type of animal. Right, So the fact that I
<v Speaker 1>know what I know, I saw it looks exactly like
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Patterson Gimlin film or what other people
<v Speaker 1>described as saying. And also and trying to look things
<v Speaker 1>up on YouTube, I was recently trying to find sounds
<v Speaker 1>that I was hearing to see I heard other people
<v Speaker 1>talk about encounters they had. The way they described the
<v Speaker 1>breathing when one walked up it was exactly not sort of,
<v Speaker 1>it was exactly the way this thing reacted to me,
<v Speaker 1>with the heavy breathing in the sort of snort like
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm done with you? What are you doing
<v Speaker 1>here in my way?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? That sound of disgust that you were talking about
<v Speaker 2>is something that I've heard a lot of people mentioned
<v Speaker 2>in their encounters, at least the ones that were that
<v Speaker 2>close to seeing these things.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a damn human What are you doing?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I vividly remember that and just it walking away.
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, it didn't. It was not hurried at all.
<v Speaker 1>It left at the same pace that it came. And
<v Speaker 1>again it didn't seem like it was too concerned about
<v Speaker 1>being deadly quiet went through the woods. It just was
<v Speaker 1>doing whatever I was doing that morning.
<v Speaker 2>Now. Did you hear any stories from that area later
<v Speaker 2>on in life?
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yes, definitely, because my dad I lived in well
<v Speaker 1>Boston and southern California for a number of years, and
<v Speaker 1>after the horrible drought in primarily Texas in twenty eleven,
<v Speaker 1>my son had just graduated and was going to college
<v Speaker 1>and on the East coast. So my dad needed help
<v Speaker 1>with his land and cattle in that area. So I
<v Speaker 1>went back there, and where I was, you hear sounds
<v Speaker 1>there was actually several acres in my dad's property falls
<v Speaker 1>within the Davy Crockett National Forest. That land's been in
<v Speaker 1>my family for years and years, and he used to
<v Speaker 1>pay the US government this very small token amount each
<v Speaker 1>year because of that acreage. But I've heard sounds from there.
<v Speaker 1>But the most vivid encounter I heard of when I
<v Speaker 1>was there one of my dad's well, I considered the
<v Speaker 1>guy he passed away just recently. He was one of
<v Speaker 1>my dad's best friends. Tells his story of one of
<v Speaker 1>his buddies led hunts in the area deer hunts again,
<v Speaker 1>and he had deer stands set up north of Gropton,
<v Speaker 1>up the ninety four corridor that goes to Lufkin, Texas
<v Speaker 1>and between Broken Luck in the the Natures River, and
<v Speaker 1>there's this area called ironically Boggy Slough. And so this
<v Speaker 1>guy had some stands set up in the Boggy Slow
<v Speaker 1>area right where Trinity, sort of Trinity and Angelina County meets.
<v Speaker 1>And again this is like heavily forested area, and the
<v Speaker 1>fact that the river ran through there gave all these
<v Speaker 1>swampy marshy areas. And so according to the story of
<v Speaker 1>my dad's, a friend told it had been related to
<v Speaker 1>him from his buddy. So it's beyond second third hand.
<v Speaker 1>But this guy is very reliable. He was honest. You
<v Speaker 1>tell long story, but he was honest about it. He
<v Speaker 1>said a friend had put this guy out on a
<v Speaker 1>deer stand one morning about the same time that bears
<v Speaker 1>my encounter. It was November, but this was in twenty sixteen.
<v Speaker 1>Is when this happens. And guys out there on the
<v Speaker 1>stand and he's sitting and sitting sitting in the morning
<v Speaker 1>grows long and it's light, and he knows he's going
<v Speaker 1>to be picked up barely soon, and so he's sort
<v Speaker 1>of giving up on the white tail for that morning.
<v Speaker 1>And suddenly a sounder of wild hogs comes out of
<v Speaker 1>the woods, and so he's looking at all these pigs
<v Speaker 1>and he's thinking, what, I'm not going to get a
<v Speaker 1>deer today, I'm shoot the biggest pig here, And so
<v Speaker 1>he picks the biggest one out and shoots it. Pig
<v Speaker 1>over in the middle of the pig falls over this
<v Speaker 1>large bpedal animal walks out of the woods, grabs the
<v Speaker 1>pig that he had shot, picks it up like it
<v Speaker 1>weighs nothing, and slams it into a tree and then
<v Speaker 1>walks off back into the woods with the pig. No way,
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's the only this guy told him. So the
<v Speaker 1>guy like, I said that, put the guy in the stand.
<v Speaker 1>He comes out to the stand, and he figures the
<v Speaker 1>guy would hear him coming up, you know, and get
<v Speaker 1>up and walk out of the deer stand because one
<v Speaker 1>of those little enclosed stand sort of little rectangular type things. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>if Berndy deer hunters would be telling where you have,
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can sort of look all around you.
<v Speaker 1>And so he doesn't see the guy. He starts to
<v Speaker 1>get worried and he goes to the stand, opens the oysters.
<v Speaker 1>The guy is lying curled up in the fetal position
<v Speaker 1>on the floor. There's his deer stand, and the guy
<v Speaker 1>just kept saying, it's going to kill me, it's going
<v Speaker 1>to kill me, it's going to kill me. And he's
<v Speaker 1>trying to get something on this guy. What happened, what happened?
<v Speaker 1>And he said that the guy explains to what happened,
<v Speaker 1>So he said he the he walked out to a
<v Speaker 1>place where the guy explaining, he said, there's blood on
<v Speaker 1>the ground and then blood up in the tree where
<v Speaker 1>the guy said that the animals snacked the pig against
<v Speaker 1>the tree. So coming from my dad's friend, I have
<v Speaker 1>to believe that's true, because, like I said, he was
<v Speaker 1>a no nonsense guy.
<v Speaker 2>And so stealing kills like that from hunters is not
<v Speaker 2>unheard of. Uh. There there was an incident not too
<v Speaker 2>far from there, I guess around the well, we'll say,
<v Speaker 2>outside of Jefferson, Texas. And it was a friend of
<v Speaker 2>mine and they had some property and her son went
<v Speaker 2>deer hunting on their property one evening and he shot
<v Speaker 2>a deer and they tracked it and it got too
<v Speaker 2>dark on him and they couldn't find it, and they
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to leave it, but they didn't really have
<v Speaker 2>any choice, so they went back to the house. Next morning,
<v Speaker 2>they get up and she goes with them to try
<v Speaker 2>and find this deer, and they found the blood trail
<v Speaker 2>and they're following the blood trail, and then the blood
<v Speaker 2>trail disappears. It just stops and she could see where
<v Speaker 2>it looked like something walked off through the brush. So
<v Speaker 2>she kind of followed that trail. It wasn't like a
<v Speaker 2>game trail or anything, though, she said, but it was
<v Speaker 2>just broken brush and things like that. And she thought, well,
<v Speaker 2>maybe something happened for whatever reason, you know, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>seeing the blood trail. Maybe the deer walked off this way.
<v Speaker 2>So she follows it, and eventually she finds the deer
<v Speaker 2>and it's just kind of like laying in this little
<v Speaker 2>clearing out in the woods, and all of the ground
<v Speaker 2>around it in about a ten foot radius looked like
<v Speaker 2>it had been cleared out, like the leaves and all
<v Speaker 2>the ground clutter had been pushed back away from the
<v Speaker 2>deer and cleared out away from the deer. And the
<v Speaker 2>deer's like laying in the middle of this circle, and
<v Speaker 2>its body is just twisted up like an old washcloth.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, something has taken it and broken its neck
<v Speaker 2>and just twisted the whole body around. And there weren't
<v Speaker 2>any you know, signs of scavenging or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>Weirdest thing. She showed me pictures of it. Don't know
<v Speaker 2>that a bigfoot did it, but don't really have any
<v Speaker 2>explanation for it. Never heard of anything like that usually,
<v Speaker 2>you know, if coyotes do it, they'll tear it up
<v Speaker 2>pretty good and kind of scattered around all over the place.
<v Speaker 2>But the whole deer was there, just twisted up.
<v Speaker 1>Digressing from my guess is that one that guy saw
<v Speaker 1>it was probably hunting those pigs and he just made
<v Speaker 1>it easy for it by shooting one of them. Back
<v Speaker 1>to what you just told me, I'm sure my dad
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want me sharing this, but we had this area
<v Speaker 1>adjacent to where I was staying. When I was there
<v Speaker 1>helping him. He calls the patch. We drive cattle in
<v Speaker 1>there and then we could load them from in there,
<v Speaker 1>or if you get a sickly one, we put them
<v Speaker 1>in that area. And it's about an acre or more
<v Speaker 1>and it's got a lot of vegetation, completely surrounded by trees.
<v Speaker 1>And this is only about two hundred yards from the
<v Speaker 1>National Forest part of the pasture I was mentioning. So
<v Speaker 1>my dad had bought some calves and one of them
<v Speaker 1>got sort of sickly, So you know, we put them
<v Speaker 1>in the patch because it's it's adjacent to the barn,
<v Speaker 1>and so it's got plenty of vegetation there to eat
<v Speaker 1>and it can come up to the barn where I
<v Speaker 1>had water in the troughs for it. So one morning
<v Speaker 1>I go out there. This was only I guess two
<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight, so a couple of years after that
<v Speaker 1>happened with the hunter. I go out there, and I
<v Speaker 1>didn't I figured the cap would be up near the barn,
<v Speaker 1>because I'd give it some feet in the morning, and
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't up there. I start walking through the patch
<v Speaker 1>and the vegetation pretty high, so I'm looking looking then
<v Speaker 1>like you describe icee, a depressed area in the grass,
<v Speaker 1>and then I see the cap. It was ripped in two.
<v Speaker 1>Its back moan was the only thing that connected the
<v Speaker 1>front end to the back end. And anyone who's ever fished,
<v Speaker 1>if you know you've got a fish, you spice them
<v Speaker 1>straight down the belly and remove all the insides. That's
<v Speaker 1>the way the inside of this cap looked. There was
<v Speaker 1>it was just ripped into. There was a front half
<v Speaker 1>of it, the back half of it, and it's intros
<v Speaker 1>all that. It was just gone cleaned out, and there
<v Speaker 1>was this huge depressed area all around it. Like you described.
<v Speaker 1>It didn't have a bite mark on it.
<v Speaker 2>Was there any blood around the body.
<v Speaker 1>No, it was just there wasn't like dogs or coyotes
<v Speaker 1>or anything got it. It was just ripped into Literally.
<v Speaker 1>My dad came out there that morning. I said, you're
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to believe this, and he said, where's
<v Speaker 1>the cat? And I said follow me and he started
<v Speaker 1>walking behind me and when he saw that, he said,
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen anything like that before. He turned around
<v Speaker 1>and walk So that's one I had no idea.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I've heard stories like that many times
<v Speaker 2>where the internal organ seemed to be missing, and it's
<v Speaker 2>almost like it's sliced open with something sharp. Sometimes weirdest thing.
<v Speaker 1>That's how this was. It was almost like someone just
<v Speaker 1>cut it from one side all the way around to
<v Speaker 1>the other. It's backbone had the front back still connected,
<v Speaker 1>but everything inside was just gone.
<v Speaker 2>And the strange thing about those things is like I asked,
<v Speaker 2>any blood around the bikey, there's never any blood. And
<v Speaker 2>you would think that if you slice an animal open
<v Speaker 2>then pull its insides out, there's going to be blood everywhere.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, exactly. Yeah, I agree with you. Oh that was interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Well, your encounter as a kid was definitely enough to
<v Speaker 2>have an impact on anyone, So I assume this incident
<v Speaker 2>stuck with you throughout life and that's kind of how
<v Speaker 2>we ended up on this show together. Right now. You've
<v Speaker 2>been keeping an eye out for weird stuff, for strange
<v Speaker 2>things that don't make any sense, and at your current
<v Speaker 2>place in New Mexico, you found some interesting things. Has
<v Speaker 2>anything happened in the timeline between Texas and New Mexico
<v Speaker 2>or is this more recent stuff really the stuff that's
<v Speaker 2>been standing out to you?
<v Speaker 1>Well, I haven't even finished with this stuff in Texas.
<v Speaker 2>Oh good lord.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Now there's one. The reason I shared the one
<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid is because I typed that up,
<v Speaker 1>and typing up helped me remember and even brought things
<v Speaker 1>back to me. But I told you about the two
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen incident with that hunter up there. Twenty seventeen,
<v Speaker 1>I was back in that baby crocket National first part
<v Speaker 1>of my dad's pastor, and I hit my dogs with
<v Speaker 1>me and there's a point where the woods get really thick.
<v Speaker 1>There's this old government fencing and my dog suddenly alerted
<v Speaker 1>on something and I looked up and I actually saw one.
<v Speaker 1>I'd say I three to five seconds. It was on
<v Speaker 1>the others in the heavily wooded area, part of the
<v Speaker 1>National Force, and it went left to right. It was
<v Speaker 1>like watching an NFL lineman do the swim move where
<v Speaker 1>they use their arms. It's good, that's what it did.
<v Speaker 1>And I thought it was what am I seeing? And
<v Speaker 1>I jump deer there countless times, and this wasn't a
<v Speaker 1>deer jump. It was a large It was about the
<v Speaker 1>same color as the one I saw when I was
<v Speaker 1>a kid. Like I said, it was only three to
<v Speaker 1>five seconds. What amazed me is how thick that brush
<v Speaker 1>was and how fast it got through it and how
<v Speaker 1>little sound it made. Basically all I saw was from
<v Speaker 1>about waste up and it was gone.
<v Speaker 2>How big was that one?
<v Speaker 1>It was taller than the other one. This one, I think.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. It sounds silly, but it sort
<v Speaker 1>of has. That reminds me that Chewbacca sort of looked
<v Speaker 1>through it. It seemed like it was about six and
<v Speaker 1>a half feet tall. But it was just so fast
<v Speaker 1>and I just did there done, And unlike when I
<v Speaker 1>was a kid, at this point, I wasn't There was
<v Speaker 1>no fear involved. It was just incredulity as to what
<v Speaker 1>I just witnessed and how fast it went, how it
<v Speaker 1>was just gone.
<v Speaker 2>Now you say you saw it for about three to
<v Speaker 2>five seconds, no.
<v Speaker 1>Going, gone left or left to right and sort of
<v Speaker 1>back into.
<v Speaker 2>The wood, and then it just gott in a thicker
<v Speaker 2>cover where you couldn't see it anymore.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly exactly. And like I said, what amazed me
<v Speaker 1>is how little sound had made aside from all the
<v Speaker 1>brush the vegetation moving. I was saying, I didn't hear
<v Speaker 1>any walking anything. It was just zoom. This happened in
<v Speaker 1>the same timeframe. My dad has other property on the
<v Speaker 1>way up to Lupin that he leases, and there was
<v Speaker 1>a cow that he couldn't find. This is probably just
<v Speaker 1>a week or so after I'd seen that one. So
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't find one of his cows and she was sick,
<v Speaker 1>so he wanted me to go up and look for it.
<v Speaker 1>So I go up to that property. It's only a
<v Speaker 1>few miles north of Groton, and it's heavily wooded. If
<v Speaker 1>you didn't see any and every kind of animal in
<v Speaker 1>this place. And so I'm in it with my dogs,
<v Speaker 1>my dogs from that time, and there's one area that's
<v Speaker 1>sort of a clearing that's sort of pear shape, and
<v Speaker 1>there's a deer stand down at the what would be
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the pear that looks out over this
<v Speaker 1>clearing and there's a really really thick stand of bamboo
<v Speaker 1>all along the left side of it. So I go
<v Speaker 1>around the base of it. I'm going up and I
<v Speaker 1>had the bamboo to my left, and I had a
<v Speaker 1>red heeler and he was always out free lancing, just
<v Speaker 1>running around, running around, and he'd make contact with me
<v Speaker 1>every a few minutes. Blue heeler and she was pretty
<v Speaker 1>insecure and she always stayed near mean. And I'm walking
<v Speaker 1>the bamboos to my left, and there's a really deep
<v Speaker 1>creek that flows into Piny Creek, which then goes into
<v Speaker 1>the Natures River. There's a really deep creek on the
<v Speaker 1>other side of that war I was walking and I
<v Speaker 1>knew my dog had the red heeler had gone over there,
<v Speaker 1>and next thing you know, he's in front of me,
<v Speaker 1>and I almost trip Ograhim. And I always try to
<v Speaker 1>be as quiet as I possibly can when I'm out there,
<v Speaker 1>because I want to see what some animals we're going
<v Speaker 1>to see him, you know, I get to kick out
<v Speaker 1>of that. My dog's like seeing deer and pigs and
<v Speaker 1>other stuff. And he had my dog can look on
<v Speaker 1>absolute terror on his face, and so I quietly say
<v Speaker 1>said to him, I said, what's wrong, Red, what's up?
<v Speaker 1>What's up? And he just looked at me, and so
<v Speaker 1>I finally I get him out of the way and
<v Speaker 1>I start walking again, and he runs in front of
<v Speaker 1>me again, and I had to stop short. And the
<v Speaker 1>minute I did, I hear football football crunch. It's like
<v Speaker 1>something across that creek on the other side of the
<v Speaker 1>bamboo walked and it had to stop short too, and
<v Speaker 1>I could hear this dead ball sort of slowly cracking
<v Speaker 1>as it put his foot down, and I thought, okay,
<v Speaker 1>did I just hear what I thought? I And for
<v Speaker 1>a second time, I tried to start walking, and my
<v Speaker 1>dog they just wouldn't let me move, And so i'd
<v Speaker 1>walked a few steps and the same thing happened, but
<v Speaker 1>that time I just heard step step, real heavy steps.
<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh man, there's something obviously something over there
<v Speaker 1>that's got my dog's petrified. So I just stand there
<v Speaker 1>a few minutes and listen and listen and listen, and
<v Speaker 1>try to get my dogs through lives. And I finally
<v Speaker 1>get them out of my way, and I think, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna try to make it to the end of
<v Speaker 1>this stand of bamboo. And I'm going to be able
<v Speaker 1>to look across that creek and see what's over there
<v Speaker 1>if I can see through the brush. So I start
<v Speaker 1>walking again, and again my dogs just getting front when
<v Speaker 1>I had to stop and I heard step step, and
<v Speaker 1>it stopped, and I thought, the hell with this. I'm
<v Speaker 1>not anything that's got him that scared. I'm not going
<v Speaker 1>to see it. But it sounded like something. It's walking
<v Speaker 1>on two legs and it's big, and so I just
<v Speaker 1>said to heck with it and went and sort of
<v Speaker 1>tried to look for that cow somewhere else. But my
<v Speaker 1>dogs are just petrified that they would not leave my sigh.
<v Speaker 1>After that, Becau said all that, and less than a
<v Speaker 1>week after that, I was at my dad's house and
<v Speaker 1>he said, did did you hear anybody in town say
<v Speaker 1>that someone saw said they saw a bigfoot on Walter
<v Speaker 1>Dial Road? And that's name for my great grandfather, and
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly where that property is. Walter Dial Road crosses
<v Speaker 1>well stops at ninety four that goes up to Luckin
<v Speaker 1>and then Lloyd James Road is where that property is.
<v Speaker 1>And I said, no, I hadn't heard that. And I said,
<v Speaker 1>but that sound encounter I tried to tell him about that.
<v Speaker 1>He said, oh, it's probably just a big hog his
<v Speaker 1>answer for ever everything. I thought, no, because I've been
<v Speaker 1>on that property a lot of times and my dogs
<v Speaker 1>had actually killed a couple of hogs out there that
<v Speaker 1>they sadly caught, but that's just what dogs do. And
<v Speaker 1>so I thought, between what that hunter saw, what I
<v Speaker 1>saw down, you know, doing the swim move through the
<v Speaker 1>National Force and the place I was just talking about,
<v Speaker 1>that's literally maybe three miles total from there where we
<v Speaker 1>heard that thing walking on the other side of the creek.
<v Speaker 1>All that happened really within the span of a few months.
<v Speaker 1>So interesting coincidences.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, pretty high rate of activity for that short
<v Speaker 2>amount of time, especially in a small area like that.
<v Speaker 1>But the forests have been sort of cut, so it
<v Speaker 1>creates a corridor right through there, and so anything that
<v Speaker 1>wants to stay and cover sort of be to stay
<v Speaker 1>in that narrow swath of forests.
<v Speaker 2>Now, are there, by chance, any big power lines that
<v Speaker 2>run through their train tracks?
<v Speaker 1>No, No, there's just well, the like I said, the
<v Speaker 1>ninety four corridor that goes up to Lufkin. Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 1>about the only one. And that's where, like I said,
<v Speaker 1>someone my dad said, someone in town said they saw
<v Speaker 1>a big put right there and that was literally within
<v Speaker 1>days of where I heard that animal on the other
<v Speaker 1>side of the creek, and that's literally right off ninety
<v Speaker 1>four and Walter Dle Road.
<v Speaker 2>Does that round up your Texas stuff or was there anything.
<v Speaker 1>Else aside from the whoops and the howls which I
<v Speaker 1>would hear from my place and I heard someone else
<v Speaker 1>has a recording this recently. A lot of times when
<v Speaker 1>I would hear the coyotes go off, within moments, I
<v Speaker 1>would hear a sound that sounded like that the Ohio
<v Speaker 1>Howell superimposed over the coyotes. I actually managed to record
<v Speaker 1>that once with this little cheap device, but it was
<v Speaker 1>just so the recording was so muddy you couldn't make
<v Speaker 1>it out. But I heard that on multiple occasions where
<v Speaker 1>the coyotes would start going, then I hear that, oh,
<v Speaker 1>and I thank god, crazy stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I heard that a couple of times up there
<v Speaker 2>in the Angelina National Forest.
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. They're chicken in the egg thing,
<v Speaker 1>which I don't know if one starts the other or
<v Speaker 1>which one?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which one? There's there's something to it, for sure,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's you know, coyto coyotes chasing
<v Speaker 2>things down and bigfoot taking advantage of it, or if
<v Speaker 2>it's the other way around. But there there's definitely something
<v Speaker 2>going on between those two.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some sim Maybe it's not a symbiotic relationship,
<v Speaker 1>but you know, there's one's messing with the other one,
<v Speaker 1>I guess in some degree. But yeah, and I know
<v Speaker 1>that other sound that sort of superimposed over the coyote
<v Speaker 1>isn't a coyote, Yeah, that's for sure, just too robust
<v Speaker 1>and too much volume.
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever hear any wood knocks in that area?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, only a couple of times, but hoops, I've
<v Speaker 1>heard multiple Yeah, just very almost an ape like quality
<v Speaker 1>to it, really loud, Yeah, from from that same stretch
<v Speaker 1>of us. One morning, I was out of the sun
<v Speaker 1>hadn't come up and actually heard one that was almost
<v Speaker 1>directly west of where I was, And then I heard
<v Speaker 1>another one, so it was almost one was there saying
<v Speaker 1>where are you?
<v Speaker 2>I'm here, responding back and forth.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it was that was not a bird, or
<v Speaker 1>a bird wouldn't aance And it was just so like
<v Speaker 1>I said, robust loud ape like.
<v Speaker 2>New Mexico, not the first place that people think of bigfoot,
<v Speaker 2>but lots of bigfoot stories come out of there.
<v Speaker 1>As you and I tried to emails. So they were
<v Speaker 1>just I try to find an explanation for everything that
<v Speaker 1>I encounter in nature. And I like being out there.
<v Speaker 1>And I'd only been at the place I am out
<v Speaker 1>for a few days, and we went up it's the
<v Speaker 1>western flank of the sangreg Cisto Mountains, which means blood
<v Speaker 1>of Christ. And they look that way as the sun
<v Speaker 1>is setting, and the north of Tao said about eight
<v Speaker 1>thousand feet and I'm taking my dogs out and we
<v Speaker 1>go up into the mountains and we discover what looks
<v Speaker 1>like old piping that was once used to care maybe
<v Speaker 1>snow melt down from the mountains. And we have this
<v Speaker 1>high desert, very dry, that's to the west of where
<v Speaker 1>I am. And so it just started following an old
<v Speaker 1>road up there that looks like it was once used maintenance.
<v Speaker 1>And now it looks like there's a game trail thorough
<v Speaker 1>bear you know, see bear tracks and deer tracks and
<v Speaker 1>coyote tracks and droppings and stuff like that. And I
<v Speaker 1>have a young dogs now, and the youngest one is
<v Speaker 1>a husky and he's pretty fired up and always running ahead. So,
<v Speaker 1>like I said, one of the first time Blue went
<v Speaker 1>out and we're up in the mountains, there's this is
<v Speaker 1>in the Carson National Course, and there was no one around.
<v Speaker 1>And back to this day, I've never seen a single
<v Speaker 1>person up there. And we go out there up there
<v Speaker 1>almost every day, and this area and the young dog
<v Speaker 1>kept running ahead, and we're at the bottom of this arroyo,
<v Speaker 1>following the remnants of these roads. I finally got frustrated
<v Speaker 1>with him. I had the other dog on the leash
<v Speaker 1>because he weighs ninety pounds and if the husky goes,
<v Speaker 1>the other dog will go and they might wind up
<v Speaker 1>in Colorado chasing something. So I called the dog puppy.
<v Speaker 1>So I actually sort of growl us a fucking slow
<v Speaker 1>down you now again, I'm always trying to be quiet,
<v Speaker 1>and I sort of growled at at him. And two
<v Speaker 1>are left and above us up the creek, were following
<v Speaker 1>up this arroyo. Something. It was a combination of a
<v Speaker 1>scream and a howl that was so ungodly loud I
<v Speaker 1>thought it knocked me off my feet. It was that loud.
<v Speaker 1>And my first thought was everybody in Taos County had
<v Speaker 1>to have earned that. And I can't see it, but
<v Speaker 1>it's I know it's up there, and the husky starts
<v Speaker 1>running back at me, and the dog I have on
<v Speaker 1>the leash starts running up at it, wanting to get
<v Speaker 1>whatever for it is. And I had one of those
<v Speaker 1>the plastic handle leashes that's retractable, and I had to
<v Speaker 1>fight fight to get up to my dog, and this
<v Speaker 1>thing kept screaming at us this whole time. And I
<v Speaker 1>finally got to my dog and I literally had to
<v Speaker 1>pin him to the ground. I had to get on
<v Speaker 1>him so because I was worried he was going to
<v Speaker 1>break the end of that leaf out and go after it,
<v Speaker 1>and is this thing screaming at us? It finally started
<v Speaker 1>going up and up and up and up, and it
<v Speaker 1>went up into the mountain and until the sound effectively baited,
<v Speaker 1>it stopped, but it just screamed for and I was
<v Speaker 1>sitting there thinking, God, I had my phone, I had
<v Speaker 1>a little recorder hang on it, but I was so
<v Speaker 1>busy fighting my dog that came from going after it. That, Uh,
<v Speaker 1>that was about as bizarre as anything I've had happened
<v Speaker 1>in a while, because it it was just so loud
<v Speaker 1>and I tried to describe it to someone. I said,
<v Speaker 1>it's be like the cross of a coyote on steroids
<v Speaker 1>and a siren. That's how it sounded.
<v Speaker 2>What animal does that? I can't think of any animal
<v Speaker 2>that just would continuously call like that.
<v Speaker 1>No, that's see my new that's my new thought process.
<v Speaker 1>Instead of saying what is it, I start with what
<v Speaker 1>isn't it?
<v Speaker 2>Right?
<v Speaker 1>That wasn't a bear, it wasn't a deer, it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>an elk. I start going backwards. The only rational conclusion
<v Speaker 1>I can reach is again I mentioned earlier about trying
<v Speaker 1>to look up sounds on YouTube. That's that's why I
<v Speaker 1>was doing that, to try to match some animal or
<v Speaker 1>whatever with what we heard and the closest and there
<v Speaker 1>were a couple of alleged sasquatch things. One was in
<v Speaker 1>West Virginia and then another recording I heard from ELK
<v Speaker 1>Texas Sam Houston National Force and very similar to this,
<v Speaker 1>very similar.
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask, is that the incident that
<v Speaker 2>caused you to put a game camera out there?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, Yeah, that's when I put a game
<v Speaker 1>camera up in that area. And less than a week
<v Speaker 1>later is when I got that weird picture that I
<v Speaker 1>sent to you that you you worked with.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but now there's a lot of weird stuff going
<v Speaker 2>on with that game camera though in that location.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, like I said, got the weird picture that
<v Speaker 1>sure looked as I joked, it looked like the late
<v Speaker 1>Dan Haggerty is Grizzly Adams like his chin. Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 1>until you were able to manipulate what was there. But
<v Speaker 1>then for the bears, I got several pictures of bears
<v Speaker 1>and occasionally they would move the camera around the tree
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I just assumed it was then. But
<v Speaker 1>as I've indicated to you, about five days within a
<v Speaker 1>week of that weird picture appearing, I went up there
<v Speaker 1>and the camera was just gone. And so I thought
<v Speaker 1>either the bears took it off or someone happened up
<v Speaker 1>here and stole it, and I know it was gone.
<v Speaker 1>I looked up and down that arroyo, and I went
<v Speaker 1>there multiple times since, and even when I was going
<v Speaker 1>to write up basically the information I shared with you
<v Speaker 1>to say the camera was so and so high on
<v Speaker 1>the tree. I stood right in front of the tree
<v Speaker 1>that I hadn't mounted on to use my mind's eye
<v Speaker 1>so I could say Okay, this is about five and
<v Speaker 1>a half feet right here, and so I'm standing right
<v Speaker 1>in front of the tree and for me to show
<v Speaker 1>up there again in late December, two months after it
<v Speaker 1>was gone, and my dogs are going up to this
<v Speaker 1>point where I had it, and I go up there
<v Speaker 1>and the camera was right there at the basically the
<v Speaker 1>strap that held it on the tree is gone, but
<v Speaker 1>it was there.
<v Speaker 2>The same tree it was mounted on.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly, And I'm thinking this can't be happening because
<v Speaker 1>I've been up here multiple times in that time. I
<v Speaker 1>stood right in front of the tree, I would have
<v Speaker 1>been I would have literally stepped on it with my
<v Speaker 1>right foot. And it was gone for two months, so
<v Speaker 1>I could figure out. I've tried to rationalize what happened
<v Speaker 1>in my mind, and all I could think is, you
<v Speaker 1>know I won those things. I thought maybe some kids
<v Speaker 1>stole it and his mom said, where did you get this?
<v Speaker 1>And you go put it back where you found it.
<v Speaker 1>You know. I'm just going through what I think are
<v Speaker 1>logical reasons for it being gone that long, and I
<v Speaker 1>couldn't think come up with any because I thought if
<v Speaker 1>someone told me to do that, you know, most kids,
<v Speaker 1>if they had they just go and pick somewhere or
<v Speaker 1>whatever and say, yeah, I did it, But it was
<v Speaker 1>exactly on the tree, on the same side of the
<v Speaker 1>tree and everything. It was just lying there, right at
<v Speaker 1>the base of the tree. And I'd been up there
<v Speaker 1>a number of times, and it wasn't at the base
<v Speaker 1>of that tree.
<v Speaker 2>Any weird photos that give you any kind of clues
<v Speaker 2>or anything. No.
<v Speaker 1>That was the other equally bizarre thing, because I hadn't
<v Speaker 1>The pictures that I sent you were on that SD
<v Speaker 1>card that was in there, so I didn't want to
<v Speaker 1>delete them yet. So there were no new pictures on
<v Speaker 1>this thing from the time that I had last checked
<v Speaker 1>it until the day had reappeared. And that, to me
<v Speaker 1>de buys logic because I think even even if it
<v Speaker 1>was lying there the entire time, something would have walked
<v Speaker 1>close enough to or even me picking it up or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>And so all I could think was maybe I hadn't
<v Speaker 1>turned it on all the way because it was It's
<v Speaker 1>one of these that's got one click to the left
<v Speaker 1>to review the pictures on there, and then another turn
<v Speaker 1>it on fully. But I always sit there and wait
<v Speaker 1>and look. It's just one of those things that I
<v Speaker 1>make myself do to until I see a little countdown
<v Speaker 1>time starting before I close it walk away. So that
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it was gone that long and the
<v Speaker 1>fact that there were no pictures on it, it just
<v Speaker 1>devise logic in my mind.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Well, the photo that you sent me,
<v Speaker 2>the kind of the situation around it was kind of
<v Speaker 2>strange too, wasn't Wasn't the camera open whenever you got
<v Speaker 2>to it?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, something that opened the camera. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>as I put it out. You know, I went to
<v Speaker 1>check it the morning of the twenty third and I
<v Speaker 1>put a new SD card in it, closed it, and
<v Speaker 1>when I came back the morning of the twenty fourth,
<v Speaker 1>there are twenty two images on it. Image twenty two.
<v Speaker 1>Is that weird? When I send you and the camera
<v Speaker 1>was wide open, it something to open it and swung
<v Speaker 1>it up where the lins and the motion sensor portion
<v Speaker 1>are obviously facing toward the tree. So it's stopped picking
<v Speaker 1>up any more images after whatever that was that's standing
<v Speaker 1>there with its body right in the camera. You know,
<v Speaker 1>that's another one that's weird that you know, and I
<v Speaker 1>could see a bear or one fellow thinks that's a
<v Speaker 1>mountain lion that's got its space in it. You know,
<v Speaker 1>you could see a bear with its paws up, or
<v Speaker 1>a mountain line with its pause up somehow raking it
<v Speaker 1>the camera just enough to hit that flip on the
<v Speaker 1>side that the little hinge were caused it to open.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, something opened.
<v Speaker 2>It and then move the camera.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something that opened it on one occasion, And like
<v Speaker 1>I said, it had been sort of swung around the
<v Speaker 1>tree a little a few times, and coincident with that,
<v Speaker 1>I'd have you bear images on there, so I think
<v Speaker 1>that's a bear. But the time it was open, all
<v Speaker 1>I can assume is that image that I sent you
<v Speaker 1>is what opened it, and then the other time it
<v Speaker 1>was just gone. That's another thing I was remissing saying.
<v Speaker 1>The day that I found the camera at the base
<v Speaker 1>of the tree and I'm looking around, looking around, and
<v Speaker 1>I get my camera. We start walking down the royal
<v Speaker 1>and it's so steep to get up out of there.
<v Speaker 1>I had to wait until I go down probably about
<v Speaker 1>fifty sixty yards of this sort of semi game trail
<v Speaker 1>that goes up and I'm climbing up the trail my
<v Speaker 1>huskies ahead. I have the other dog in the leash.
<v Speaker 1>I'm holding the camera, but I'm about ten yards from
<v Speaker 1>the top. I hear from the mountaintop above us, I
<v Speaker 1>hear whack one hard hit, so like someone hit a
<v Speaker 1>tree with a baseball. And at that point I was
<v Speaker 1>so out of my mind thinking where's this thing? Ben
<v Speaker 1>that I turned around and I held the camera, gave
<v Speaker 1>a sort of a goofy nod and way to whatever
<v Speaker 1>sound it was that I heard up there, and I
<v Speaker 1>got the hell out of there. That was just a
<v Speaker 1>weird coincidence.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to say the least, To say the very least,
<v Speaker 2>it's a weird coincidence.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, one of many.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, it's possible for you know, a bear. You know
<v Speaker 2>you've gotten pictures of bear. You know there's bear in
<v Speaker 2>the area. They will mess with game cameras. I mean, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>bear could have gotten the camera off of the tree,
<v Speaker 2>but it's not going to carry it off and then
<v Speaker 2>bring it back two months later and set it at
<v Speaker 2>the base of the tree.
<v Speaker 1>Right. That's why that's in my mind going to forever
<v Speaker 1>remain a mystery. If I could there were no images
<v Speaker 1>on there, trust me, I was insanely excited a whole
<v Speaker 1>run down back here, thinking that who knows where there's
<v Speaker 1>thing's been for two months and all that's going to
<v Speaker 1>be on there, and then to have absolutely nothing on there,
<v Speaker 1>I thought, how could that possibly? Just like that devised comprehension.
<v Speaker 2>Most of those cameras, you know, they're triggered by motion.
<v Speaker 2>They have a sensor on it, just like the little
<v Speaker 2>sensors you see in the corner on the inside of buildings,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the motion detectors, And whenever there's a fluctuation
<v Speaker 2>in temperature, it triggers the camera. That's how the motion
<v Speaker 2>sensor works on most of them. So somehow this camera
<v Speaker 2>got removed from the tree, forcefully, carried off somewhere for
<v Speaker 2>two months, brought back, set down at the base of
<v Speaker 2>the tree. No photos.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and trust me, and once I realized there were none,
<v Speaker 1>the first thing I did was set it up in
<v Speaker 1>here where I'm sitting right now and sort of got
<v Speaker 1>back and waved my hand in front of a few
<v Speaker 1>times to make sure it was working. And sure enough,
<v Speaker 1>it worked fine. And I thought that just it makes
<v Speaker 1>no sense to me, Like I said, my only logical
<v Speaker 1>explanations that someone took it and maybe you know, and
<v Speaker 1>then they messed with it and did stuff and then
<v Speaker 1>deleted their stuff or whatever, maybe didn't take any pictures all,
<v Speaker 1>and then they felt remorse and put it back, but
<v Speaker 1>there were no no new pictures on it, so bizarre. Well,
<v Speaker 1>you got that other one I sent either, Really it
<v Speaker 1>was taken an instant before the initial that image, so whatever,
<v Speaker 1>that's the same animal because it's literally the same, like
<v Speaker 1>I said, within microseconds. I guess that's when that one
<v Speaker 1>was snapped. So I don't know if that might provide
<v Speaker 1>any insights in this madness, but it's weird stuff.
<v Speaker 2>How do you put the camera back?
<v Speaker 1>No, I haven't. I just not that. It's not that
<v Speaker 1>I'm unnerved or anything, but I just figured, you know,
<v Speaker 1>if someone stole it, I didn't want to bring it
<v Speaker 1>up there again and have them take it again sort of.
<v Speaker 1>But I probably should at this point because I bought another.
<v Speaker 1>I bought another one to replace that one, and I
<v Speaker 1>put it somewhere else, so I should probably since I
<v Speaker 1>have too, just like you said, I should just bring
<v Speaker 1>it back up there. And in theories, even though we
<v Speaker 1>had some warmer days recently, the bears in theory are hibernating. Oh,
<v Speaker 1>they won't be messing with it.
<v Speaker 2>You know. They have those little uh like Apple Airtime
<v Speaker 2>things where you can GPS track things. Maybe you should
<v Speaker 2>stick one of those inside the case or something in
<v Speaker 2>case it walks off again.
<v Speaker 1>That's for sure. I don't know. Like I said, it
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter in my mid sixties now, I can live
<v Speaker 1>one hundred more years and I'd never figure out how
<v Speaker 1>that transpired.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, me and you both, but you know, keep me
<v Speaker 2>updated if you get any more crazy pictures or anything
<v Speaker 2>else happens.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm look forward to seeing if you can decipher
<v Speaker 1>whatever that is that is on that one that was
<v Speaker 1>taken an instant before the other bazaarre. You know, we
<v Speaker 1>can find who's guilty of opening the game camera.
<v Speaker 2>It's been my experience in this field though you never
<v Speaker 2>get those answers.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's like I said, I don't research this stuff,
<v Speaker 1>but it sure makes one look forward to going out
<v Speaker 1>and getting up there because you never know what's gonna happen.
<v Speaker 2>And if you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something
<v Speaker 2>else you can't explain, and you'd like to share your story,
<v Speaker 2>send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
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<v Speaker 2>something in the woods.