Kill Gil, Volumes I & II (S18E09)

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It is Killed Gills Volumes one and two. Iron Dando, I am
guy, and I'm looking over at my man Dando here, and he's got
this kind of look on his face, like do we really have to talk
about this episode? I get the feeling he was not all that mad.
I'm Not Kill Gill Volumes one and two. This didn't bother me in the
sense of like Code Pennants Day anything like that. I just felt this one
was just I've got here. I was just disappointed because you know, I
always have a soft spot for the Christmas episodes, right, but I struggled
with this one because it's the same old thing. Right. In their prime,
the Simpsons had a core cast of the family and a whole bunch of
sort of secondary characters were to be a Pooh Skinner Burns the core secondary characters,
and then there was just all these extras that would be popping up occasional,
usually for a line or two, like Guy and Old Gil is an
example of that character. Right to use your football analogy, You've got your
starting eighteen, you got your reserves, and you got your emergencies. And
yes, these characters like Gil is an emergency. Yes, I'd say even
like Lionel Huts for example, He's another example of he pops up occasionally and
he serves his purpose and he moves on. We don't know much about his
life, and that's where it was for Gil until this episode, and these
characters. The best thing about him is you don't know all that much about
them. You just get the best bits of them when you do deep.
Of course, now they're in season eighteen, they need to come up with
fresh ideas, new concepts and things like that, and we start getting deep
dives and characters like come book guy we've mentioned and things like that. This
character Gil didn't need this because for me, no one came out of this
episode looking better than going in. I know that they tried to build up
sympathy for him again at the end with Marj's ruining his beak, sort of
like Hohobla in Stocksdale, whatever it was. But the thing is, you
watched his first two thirds of this episode, and all this time you always
feel sorry for old Gill. But then when you watch this, you're like,
all this stuff that happens to him is kind of deserved. It kind
of brings it on himself. And that's not what I needed to know.
I just needed it to be like, you know, he's a good guy,
but things just don't go right for him here. It's like, oh,
he's actually a really he's a mutuary in paying the arts. Yeah,
it's terrible that they sort of did that, Isn't that because I mean,
yeah, there's an analogy I use back in my reviewing days about you know,
certain supporting characters or supporting actors. They're a bit like masabi. They're
a bit like that lovely hot spice that you have with your Japanese food.
It's like a little bit, Oh, you've really made the meal. Oh
I can. I enjoyed that so much, and you've just out of that
nice touch of spice. You put too much masabi on your on your sushi.
This is inedible and I don't like it, and I never wanted anymore.
So, yeah, you can't have too much. Oh, you can't
have too much of a good thing. No. And Gil, up to
this point has always been a favorite of mine ever since he's I thought,
I've always said here on the he's the best post Golden New character they've created,
right, Gil, But you watch this and you're just like, oh,
you've you've killed the vision. And what I liked about the character was
that I always thought he was just this nice guy that you just gotta love
him. Things just don't go right for poor old girl. No, he's
just not a very not he's a bad person, but he's just we all
have that one person in our lives. You're just like, I love you,
but you know you just fucking using me. You know, you go
from person to person to person to person, get what you can. Once
they stop giving it to you, just find the next sap. There's a
great line in the quite underrated comedy Hot Tub Time Machine. Yeah, they're
talking about one of the characters who's ended up in hospital some misadventure, and
one of the other guys says, you know how in your group of friends,
you got that one asshole. He's our asshole. And yeah, I
mean yeah, Gil has always come across as someone who just can't catch a
break, And what this episode sort of conveyed is it might be kind of
his fault. It is his, even if they try to reckcon a bit
later on and just have him as an occasional not one note gag, but
just a fleeting gag about O girls got at this time. Oh no,
it's not gone, Gills way. It's like it's tainted forever because we've got
this history, you know. And yeah, not everyone needs backstory. I'd
say a lot of people don't need backstory, and they serve their purpose in
just providing a certain gag a certain tone, a certain something like we were
excited somewhat by the idea of the book of Boba fat But then when he
watched the episode, it's like, ah, Boba Fett was just better.
When he didn't take the mask off, Mando lost its charm. I think
when he took his mask off, I was like, ahh, it's not
really the same. It's just a guy in a suit. You need a
little room to dream, you need a little room for your own imagination to
run right. And you know, like I wonder what gils backstory is,
you know, And that's when you have, as I had to say at
three am at the dorm room, conversations about oh what if you is like
this or what if yous like that? But no, to sort of have
something come in like this, And this isn't necessarily giving him backstory, but
it is fleshing him out and showing you that the true Gill. Yeah,
why I thinks go right for him because he brings it upon himself pretty much.
Why no one wants to help him because he help him. He just
takes everything. Oh having said that, I mean it is actually really nice
at the start, where you know he's like, oh, this little girl,
he wants this gift. I think there's a spare one in the back,
although it's showing that he's clearly not too broke as if there's one in
the back. But you know, we don't do the same. So that's
what I was saying. They were trying to build sympathy from them, trying
to he's not a bad guy, but it's just like the second things aren't
going right for him, it's like you try and help him, he'll just
like reach that as much as he can. Yeah, And I mean,
I think it would have been better for the episode. And I know we're
doing a lot of quote unquote fixing episodes lately, but I think something I
think was missing from this episode was having a bit of ebb and flow where
it's like he does something good. The Simpsons are like, oh, where
we feel sympathy. You know, come and sleep on our couch for a
little while you've ever stayed, You're welcome girl. But then he does something
good against like, oh, well he can't be all that bad. Upstands
upstowns, upstands and then he finally leaves. But unfortunately we didn't get that.
It was just oh, much, much, much much mooch all the
way through. It's like, I think they did a bit of ask covering
as well. I mean there's a scene where Homer goes to the bar and
I think it's Carl says, well, you can't kick him out. It's
like, why can't Home kick him out? I mean, I know that
you've established that this is kind of a March storyline where it's like, she
says, a girl, I can't say no. Yeah, she needs to
sort of stand upstander for her stuff. Yeah, yeah, which I felt
kind of out of left feel. It's like, I get the feeling there
could have been ways you could have integrated Marge's personality into her desire not to
kick Guild of the curb. We already had this story with the shut up
Becky. It was just a rehash. I know, we can't we said
last week. I think it was you can't keep touching the rehashes. But
these two stories, this didn't seem to work well together. And this whole
story being what essentially been became a Marge niece to get her independence and show
how strong she is. Story didn't fit the Christmas theme and the gill Are
no No I mean that's the that's the other thing. I mean, this
is clearly how is this a Christmas present? As a Christmas episode not a
Christmas episode? And it's not You're right, see, I mean the beginning
and the end at Christmas, the rest everything in between is not at Christmas.
And how is it a Christmas episode? You know? Yeah, it
doesn't have Christmas trappings or trimmings. No, it doesn't really have Christmas ideas,
just have the vibe of a Christmas episode. Well that's the thing.
I mean, like I said, how long of it? Yeah, it's
the beginning of the end. The rest of us just a year. Yeah,
and it started strong with the Christmas opening I'd really enjoyed. Apparently it's
only the second time ever besides Trios of Horror, where the opening sort of
like intro was changed to the theme. I really I was like, oh,
this is cool, this is different, is fresh, and then just,
I don't know, not great. That's what I was just more left
disappointed by this one. I think, I think I have to agree with
you. I look, I think it might have had good bones in certain
ways. I mean, there is an idea around Christmas about you know,
giving rather than receiving and you know, peace on earth and good will to
war men in this case, Gil, do you think because they had because
girls based on Jimmy, that they wanted to have a Christmas episode like this
because he's based on Jimmy Stewart. Is he based on Jimmy Stewart? Because
I think the feeling he's more sort of the main thing that I've always gotten
from Gill. And I don't when was he introduced. I mean, the
voice, isn't the voice based on Jimmy Stewart. I always thought it was
Jack Lemon. Remember, you're right now it is Jaqueleman. You're right?
Whm I get Jimmy Stewart, Yeah, Jed Qauckleman. Yeah, yeah,
Because there's one movie in particularly called Glengarry Glenn Ross, Yes, in ninety
two, I believe, but it was a play long before that, and
there's a character that Jack Lemon plays in the film who's this sort of salesman
who's passed his prime, can't close the deal anymore. You're right, Gill
is based on in voice and appearance on Jaqueleman's Betrayal of Shelley. Yeah.
Yeah, he was once a gun I mean, he was the nickname is
Shelley the Machine Levine, but he can't do it anymore. I think just
Dan does it good. Jimmy Steward, I mean it's what I'm thinking.
Okay, that probably is, but I mean this is very yeah, this
is very Jack Lemon and well, it's an interesting thing about that character is
that he's his own worst enemy as well. He gets sort of arrogant when
he thinks he's closed the sale and he starts sort of throwing his weight around
and realize that he's fucked up. Yeah, and that's sort of the the
case here to some degree as well. But you don't want to dislike Gil.
But as I was saying before, I don't feel anyone comes out of
this episode better than going in now. Say that because not just Gil,
Marge as well, because Marge ruins it. I know she's they're trying to
say that Marge needs this, but she ruins it for Gill and the one
chance he has, she ruins it for him. I was like, Marge's
kind of being she a bitch here as well. I get that she wants
it for herself and I know he deserves it, but like no one looks
good coming out. No, I mean yeah, I mean the fact that
she sort of calls him out in front of all these other people, like
you said, ruins his one tw and mean when you got have recently said
in your office and had her moment of venting or redemption or whatever. Yeah,
none of the work. Homer came out looking like a dummy as well.
This Homer Grumple story was honestly one of the stupidest things that's been in
the history of the show. It really was, And I mean I didn't
and I didn't like it, But at the same time, I also thought
this could be kind of funny if he was just so if you saw the
Grumble or the Grumple or whatever it is in the window occasionally just kind of
haunting and no one saw him there or maybe Homa, but no one has
believing that he's been chased by the Grumble. But that to have, like
Marge, go, you've got problems out there, and I'm like, no
one's questioning why this guy and the suits outside, and then we find we
find out that he's not actually a person in a suit. He's a real
creature who bleeds green blood. And I'm just like, what is going on.
Yeah, I mean I feel kind of torn because that gag where Home
hits him and then with a bottle and it's like, there's the grumple of
person, there's the grumble of greens, and I'm like, I don't mind
this, but at the same time, not in these episodes. Yeah,
I just wish that it had some I like that as a standalone gag,
but I just wish that had the whole Grumple bit had some more continuity.
And it was basically just this guy or this creature stalking Homer until the end
and then then the end he puts the arm around them and they have Christmasy
kind of thing. I don't know, but why though in the end it
was just like so last time we saw the Grumple, Homer smash him,
heaver the body, he starts bleeding. What happened the Grumple? After that,
there is leave him there And the next time we seen he's just arriving
with his family, the Grumble family at Gil's house that he just happened to
know where it is, and they sing songs together. Well that's because it's
Christmas time. Together at Christmas time and sing songs. My favorite so I'm
looking here at my favorite moments. Mister Davis, You've got some and I've
got nothing. Normally, as I'm doing the review, I'm rinning favorite moments.
Clearly, this is the first time in the history of this show in
almost nine years, I haven't put a favorite moment whilst watching the review.
Okay, well you're like it because I've got three. Okay, I didn't.
I'm sure the moments in here that could have fit in my favorite moments,
but I just clearly wasn't you know what it was, you're not feeling
I was not feeling it. You know why, because going into it JET
this morning, right, I realized I hadn't fed him a little bit couplen
hours, so learn one normally fit was okay, And I mopped the floor
first, and I was like, all right, So I get a tin
of dog food out. As I'm opening it up, what was my hand
warm? Then I realized all the juice from the dog food had just been
pouring out of the tin onto my hand and onto my freshly mocked floor.
So I had to like remark, whatever, and I'm like, fucking house,
I'm really And I put the food in to Jets bowl. He proceeds
to walk up and goes, yeah, I feel it, buddy, and
walks off, and I was like, you, motherfucker, I dirted my
freshly mocked floor with your shitty dog food juice. It's all of my hand
and my hand feels weird. And then he walked off and didn't need it.
Well, you're asking me to take sides against Jerty, which I will
never do. I don't normally do any most beloved dog there is. But
I think going into this episode with that mindset didn't help. Well. The
other thing is the valuable lesson you take away from this Dando never mop,
Never mop. No, But it's it's amazing A good mop that can really
change the vibe of a house. That is true. Look, I was
being very facetious with mop. I rarely mop, but when I do,
it's like, damn, I could sell this house two hundred grand more than
I how neat it is? You had no favorite moments I've got. I've
got a few. I'm sure I would have it, not that I don't
put you. You tell me yours? Well, these are more like favorite
lines and anything else. But when they're going through the calendar and it's doctor
Martin Luther King day and marchays I can't kick him out on doctor Martin U.
I was like, right, we're changing doctors. Yeah, that's not
bad. I'm a big fan of you. For missers figure downstairs area if
you swimsuit to the region, and for guild to refer to Homers as the
whole butcher shop, I think is pretty good. I don't I haven't heard
that before. You've heard, of course meeting too bad may Lowele butcher shop.
I think that's pretty good. Using that which point will say, I
think I mean cocktail frank. I think you mean a happy meal. You
know what I don't like is that, like cocktail franks, they became in
Australia anyway, we call them little boys. Do we call them little boys?
Because of that reason? I don't know why do we call them little
boys? That's real. God, I never thought of, like cocktail flanks
are called little boys. Yeah yeah, Oh dude, we're being very childish,
but they're called little boys. Yeah. Boy. In a semi related
item, I know, I thought Christian Charity was actually not a bad point.
I looked it up. It is Christian Charity actually a porn star.
I couldn't find anything. No, I think there are at least one or
two porn stars whose first name is Charity, which but Christmas Charity think is
pretty good Christian yea, yeah, yeah, the best. The best porn
name still remains Miranda Rights. Miranda Rights. Now that's also a character in
Bunkers, the Disney series. Oh yeah, now I'm confused. The person
who's sorry, Jim? Next question? You there eating the beast? All
right, trivia time, mister Davis. I'll hit you with my first question.
Smithers wanted to buy, well, wanted mister Boster buy him what?
It was? A silver picture frame, wasn't it. I'm like, very
planned, but you know that's what he wanted. You reach a certain stage
in your life where it's kind of like, you know what, I don't
have enough of picture frames. I asked things the things that I need,
not what I want. I'm getting that. I mean, I'm still not
there. I'm reaching the very boring stage. It's kind of like Christmas.
Look shirt book, whiskey pretty much it you're whiskey man. Yeah. I
have become that later in life. But I do enjoy a couple of things
of a nice single mold of the evening. M all right, so what's
your first question? Ummmmm. Adults pay forty dollars to get into the show
Hammond to do. Children pay thirty nine dollars. That's correct. What time
do they arrive at the realty place? Is it two seventeen seventeen? Correct?
Yeah, because the temperature was one seventeen, wasn't it was? Yeah?
And like Homer leaving the dog and the family essentially leaving the dog in
the car with the windows up, I'm like this gag. Not funny,
not cool, not cool at all. Homo was just an absolute dim with
this entire episode. I have written down here stopping stupid Homer. Yeah,
and what was that about, I'll look just about anything, Yeah, just
on this episode in general. It was just this season eighteen Homer. No,
i' I know what it is. Yeah, it's because everybody loves the
I think he's talking to you. And now that loud whisper has become Homer's
default comedy voice. You're right, Yeah, except that sounded more like something
else. I don't know what I'm becoming when I do, and he is
holding off his hand to the microphone because I'm very good at Udio doing visual
gags for do you You're right? Yeah, that it has become a thing,
hasn't it? Now? Trait Homa does it more and more often now?
Yeah, and you know it worked a treat with mister Thompson. I
love that. Yeah, I think I'm whispering, but I'm not saying the
quiet part loud, yeah, which you know has become a thing. I
mean, so many people, so many stories that I edit will have someone
say, someone says that the quiet part loud today? Not really? All
right? Your next question, Oh, did I authority just gave you one?
Or no, you just gave me one? I answered that correctly.
When is James L. Brooks's birthday? Oh? I've got it in my
notes, I know, I look it up, and I don't look it
up. I'm gonna try and guess. Is it July ninth? It's May
night? May ninth, and it was a nine damn nearly May, and
I may the When did the note? When did the Star Wars movies come?
It? May twenty something, didn't it? They always dropped on May
twentieth or something not made the fourth I always dropped like May something though.
Let's look a Phantom Menace release date? Or was it the May nineteenth Fantom?
How do fuck what? I know? I think it's the twenty ninth
of May list because there's a movie that actually is called it was dropped May
nineteenth. Okay, yeah, how the fuck does my brain remember shit like
that? But I can't remember what I did yesterday with the kids? Yeah,
our brains. I remember the release date of the Phantom Menace. Our
brains are weird creatures. Oh, I really am anything, but I can
remember anything like pre this year. I'm fine with. My short term memory
is absolutely shot. Just kids, mate, I blame the Internet and kids.
Yeah, and YouTube things, just attention spans. So you're watching YouTube
and it's like you're watching a video, But how often now are you watching
TV? Before you pull your phone out and you realize you're your phone in
your hand, You're like, what am I doing? I'm not even watching
this? What am I doing? Will they talk about this? I mean
the streaming service in particular, talk about seconds green syndrome where it's like,
you know, we don't want to we want to have engagement on both things.
I mean, so you know you'll be texting, hey, I'm watching
this new thing on Netflix or tweeting about it. Tweeting about it, yeah,
yeah, while it's going. I mean, I'm as guilty as the
next person. I mean, I started watching the show on Netflix last night,
really enjoying it, but of course had to break the phone out and
say, hey, I'm watching the show and it's pretty good. Well,
what are you like when you're sitting there with Louise? Right, So,
when I'm sitting there watching a show of Nikola and she pulls her phone out,
it kind of annoys me, like are you watching it? Because I'm
just like, am I sitting here by myself watching this show? Would you
rather me just go? I can go do something else because I'm watching this
schoo I want to watch it with you. But she's sitting there looking at
a phone, scrolling through Instagram, and I'm like, you're clearly like you're
listening to it, but you're not watching it. I'm just like the whole
idea of and I know it's like, oh, you know, at least
you're together on the couch and sort of like the lovely moments, but it's
like you're not there though. I get where you're coming from, but I
don't know I mean, Lou and I do this as well. It will
be occasions when we're you know, the stuff that we watch is generally does
require one hundred percent of your attention, but you know, we'll have occasions
where we're both sort of doing a little bit of scrolling looking up, a
little bit scrolling looking up, and yeah, occasually making out. I hate
it though, especially the making out. I hate it. It's the all
right, I don't have any more trivia questions? You have any one more
for me? Uh No, I don't. I mean, And here's the
thing I sort of came up with a lot of which I think is a
sign of not a good episode, where it's kind of like, I bet
I could stump into this as opposed to being involved in the episode. I'll
try and stop you with another date to one then all right, Oh okay,
so what is July third? Oh, it would be it would be
like Nephew's Day. No, it would be like January third for us weatherwise.
Oh okay, the hottest day of the year or air condition Appreciation Day.
It's a nice warm day here in Sunday, jam is. Yeah,
the weather's just turned itself on, hasn't it. It has. Look we
had yes yesterday was Melbourne Cup Day. I was spoken. I spoke about
this on our friends podcast. Right still I know who won it slightly,
I don't care anymore. Slight little detour though, and we'll get to the
review of the episode. So you're doing some cross promoting. That's pretty savvy.
Yeah, but Nicol and I went out for breakfast yesterday. Shit the
day off right because she works in Melbourne, so it's in Melbourne office.
She works in gel long for as the weak Melbourne office, Melbourn Cup day
off right to the day af together went out for breakfast. What is this
horseship? And we weren't trying to work out when did businesses and who was
the first business to sort of establish this concept and everyone just went with it.
Charging fifty percent extra on public holidays. This has become a thing now,
is true? Where they go for should we go to chuge it?
Why? Okay, can you tell me why? Because the guy yesterday we
went to a place we won't name in the place right, It's like,
I just like you, it's fifty public holiday. I'm like, let us
not though in Geelong and he goes yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like,
so, I know it's public hol day in Melbourne, but not in
Gelong. So and he's like, oh, we we didn't do it for
Geelong Cup. And I'm like, you mean you didn't do it on the
Geelong Cup public clan? You're full of shit? You know, I like
you one hundred percent did But like, when did this start? And why
are we allowing them to get away with it? I don't I was,
so I stand by it is absolute horseshit that just because I know a businesses
are struggling right now, but just the whole making us pay the extra?
Fuck them. You started a business. This is part of running a business.
You make more money on public colities. Is people off work? They're
at your fucking place spending their money. You make more money, therefore you
pay the fucking work is more money? Right? This whole making the customer
pay the extra adds bullshit to me. I'm not a fan of at all.
He's certainly not happy, and yeah, I agree with him. Why
should I compare it to the tip system in the US? Oh god,
the tip system? Look what, so we have to pay a tip because
you guys aren't paying the proper wages? Correct? Yeah, and look on
occasions, I don't mind that when you get good service. But the last
time that Lunar were in the States, you know, most of the time
you're going into some canter jockey, you're let not even talking to them.
It's like punch your order into the end of the touch screen. Here,
it's just an expectation. Do you want to add a twenty percent tip?
I'm like, for what I went to we went when I went out with
with Matt and Phil and Melbourne, that right right, everywhere we went to
expected a tip. And I'm like, don't you motherfuckers try and weasel this
into our system. It ain't happening. You get paid enough at your Melbourne
fucking restaurant. I know you're getting paid enough. I'm just a pole podcast.
Yeah, but I was just like, fifty percent get stuffed. Yes,
now you're correct, particularly as you said. I mean, it wasn't
even a poppy cold angel along. Yeah it's Melbourn. Yeah it's Melbourne.
I know a lot of Melbourne people are moving to Geelong, but still it's
not. As soon as I ask him about it, it was like,
oh no, no anyway, So the original day of this episode was December
seventeenth, two thousand and six, so I'm assuming it'd be probably the second
last episode, maybe the last episode for two thousand and six. Let's look
it up, shall we. Let's go down to the next episode, The
Wife Aquatic, which originally aired in January. This is the last episode of
two thousand and six. I did at least ad aman Chrismas time, but
it was especially Christmas. It was. It was It's kind of like die
Hard. You know, you said Die had a Christmas movie because it's set
at Christmas, but there's not much Christmasy about it besides the fact of the
Christmas party at the start and he puts the Christmas head on the eye.
Yes, that's pretty much it. But you watched the Christmas because it was
set at Christmas. This was set at Christmas at the beginning and at the
very end, but it's not a Christmas episode. And at the end they
played let it snow, let us not at Yeah, does that to find
a Christmas movie? Though? I don't think it really does. Like it's
just fun to say it is for life, not for Christmas. And again,
as I always say, I mean, if you're gonna call Die had
a movie you got to call lethal weapon of Christmas movie. Yeah, it's
like Gremlins. To me is a Christmas movie. The whole thing is set
at Christmas. It's just Christmas snadi. It's a horror movie, but it
has the Christmas vibe to it throughout the entire thing. Yes, but this
episode was written by Jeff Westbrook and directed by Bob Anderson. Now, funnily
enough, do you know this episode right? We haven't been high on it.
Not the worst episode of all time, but just not high on it.
It actually won an award. It won the Writer's Guild of America Award
for Best Animated Program, And I was like, really, there must have
been some weak entrance that year, like this is this is nowhere near the
best episode of season eighteen even review. Do they call that, mister burns
of Wood, you know, achievement? Yeah, it sounds like what a
god? That a participant medal? But this this one wasn't as good as
like ice Cream of Marjorie or who Hoarde Couple? I don't think so,
no, no, not at all. But yeah, so it was the
Captain chop Boar gag. We had a chopball gag this week Franklinsons is not
a monster, and the catch gig was one where they jumped to the couch
pan out and they're inside a Christmas ball. But I just really enjoyed the
opening segment here, the opening like intro, so I've got to here the
opening sequence. This is all written on the wiki page for those of you
who haven't actually watched the episode, this is what happens. It's redesigned in
the Christmas style, not counting the trust for a Treehouse of Horror episodes.
Is this only the second time they've done this. The theme changes that the
whole town is now covered in white snow. The other changes include the likes
of Homer running to the right as opposed that left with mister Burns dresses,
Ebone's a scrooge, and Miss Smith is dressed as the ghost of Jacob Marley.
Yes signs no bonuses, Merry Christmas, no bonuses, yes, which
I thought was good. Jasper is standing where the late bleeding Gums Murthy would
normally stand. Yeah, because he was because when they did the original intro,
Bleeding Gums were still alive. So they've this and they never changing the
intro, but they've updated it for Jasper. In the quick pan across Springfield,
mord Flanders can still be seen alive. Bart's skateboard is replaced with the
snowboard. Marge and Maggie's grocery and car scenes have been cut out, which
was a kind of a weird cut. It's like, if you're going into
all this trouble, why you shortened it? And everyone is in Christmas attire,
which goes with the catch gave of them being in the ornament. Now.
The title of the episode killed Bill, Killed Gill's volume one and two
obviously planning kill Bill Apparently in Ah where was it? It was like Spain
or something. The kill Gill is actually like the their translation for yeah,
I didn't know that. Yeah, it might be Spanish, but was somewhere
where it was and yeah. So the episode kicks off with Krusty Christmas on
Ice? Have you ever been to like a Christmas on Ice? I'm about
to ask you who have been to an asking? I don't think I have.
I've never been to any ice show ever. Even when I was in
America, we went to like state like shows that this awesome kick ass linking
show which wasn't a nice but it was animal kindom. But I've never been
to an ice show. I've got this weird feeling that I have been to
one, but I can't remember exactly where it went. It's like, I
know I've seen a lot of them on screens, but I get the feeling
I've actually been to one in person. Yeah, I can't recall, for
the life of me the details of it, but I kin't of much my
kids really caring that much to sit through like two hours of Disney characters just
skating around. Yeah, I mean, I think you'd have to have a
really good seat, and probably it would be the opposite of a normal thing
where it's like, oh ring sad seats. It's like you're not going to
say much. But if you've got those blood seats, you're like, oh
wow, they're doing a pinwheel or something like that. They're normally doing it
like Rod Dave Verena. I think, yes, it begins, Hey stop
that podcast, and there's Our neighbors are rambunctious, to say the least.
I didn't close the window there, so be Chrusty keeps falling over when he
comes out. Are they we are high because we are busty? I was
like, eh, I just kind of thinking that when they said it,
Christ keeps falling overwy laughing at old man's pain. But this is really all
that funny, you know, the rib which comes out the Ribbert Matrix,
pougy I've got to kick out of very my two thousand and six. I
guess the gag is that it's meant to be out of date sort of.
This would I was introduced in like two thousand have just kept the same cat
because we're not buying any costume. That's the thing. You've just you've you
missed the boat or you're sticking with the same old, same old. Oh
yeah, by when did the last Matrix come out two thousand and Well,
the new ones came out in two thousand and three because there was like a
four year gap, wasn't it. They came out like months I think apart
months or a year apart, now only two months apart. Weren't they really
reloaded? And I'm pretty sure Matrix reloaded release date was May fifteenth, and
Revolutions was the third one, is that right? Revolutions? So May fifteenth,
two thousand and three, twenty seventh Gotober two thousand and three. Oh
okay, So what's that June, July, August, September, October,
six months apart, which was a ballsy concept. It was, yeah,
but it's how you know popular The original matrix was, It's like, people
are gonna want one matrix, let's give them, give them to both barrels.
And you watch that third when you're like, oh, you can just
you can feel the air just deflating out of the tides, like gonna make
it, gonna make it. Look to the finish line. This this was
one movie, like one one perfect movie and one yeah, and one should
have been a long imperfect sequel. Having said that, I mean, I
think I've got a I think the lovely lou is taking a weekend away to
sit neey with her daughter, which means it's share, which means Guy's doing
to sit on the crouch and his undies. So regular Tuesday pretty much.
Yeah, thank you for dragging me away from undepends termed Dan do outside the
guy's ass has his own congressman with his reaching broom. I love through bet
on the kitchen table. Where's my reaching broom? But I think I might
have a yes, a trilogy day where it's either Lord of the Rings.
But I'm to watch it every year. Now it's been a while. Novely
watch it every Christmas. Well, now I've got a girlfriend and it's like,
you're spending boxing now with me. Well that's implied. That's a lot
of the rings. No, wedla, a lot of the rings. So
I married a dorg anyway, But I thought it's been a one since I
watched all three Matrix movies. Even though there are four, I haven't watched
the second or third in I reckon fifteen years if not more. Well,
I think I love the first one. Yeah, I'm thinking maybe it's time
to give all three a whirl again. But yeah, Matrix Poochy. But
it's not a trilogy anymore was a day. That's true. It's a quadrilogy.
It's a quartete. You watch that fourth one, you're like, ah,
oh, yeah, we didn't really need this. It's okay, it's
fine. It's got some interesting ideas. I don't know, I don't know,
but yeah we had Matrix Poochy and then who comes out? But yeah,
Saicho Mal who has just got off the plane from his father's funeral.
And I was like, well that's just sad. It's like that, don't
make me feel bad for mel this is gonna be a Christmas episode. You've
already made me feel We've already laughed at an old man's pain. You made
fun of a guy getting off the plane from his day's funeral. I'm like,
this is not a good start for a Christmas episode. Not really,
No, no, let me get a guest appearance from himself, Alvis Stoico.
Indeed who I thought? Real person that I looked up, real person,
real figure skater, not gay, not gay. No girlfriend of Vancouver,
which, although is made up a city. Well that's true, that's
true, but also not gay because exactly married to a woman in real life,
Elva Steiker was so handsome he can laces up my skates anytime. Don't
you Haggs know that all male figure skaters are twinkly in the LUTs. That's
a common misconception. I have a girlfriend in Vancouver, made up girlfriend,
made up city. Now, speaking of not gay, you know what I'm
confused about. Someone who or someone who is gay is Patty. She's come
out as gay. Why did she find him attractive? And like, oh
he's so handsome and he's like, hey, you brought You need to understand
he's not, he's not available. It's like she's I understand you can be
gay and still appreciate, but it's like the way they implied this was that
there was like the old classic Patty and Summer gone, ooh, that mcguy
was so hot. That's the kind of stick this was going for. It
wasn't the like some was saying. It would have been fine, but Patty,
it just felt weird. I guess, yeah, we've established here that
she is the out character. Yes, I guess they wanted any reason to
throw in a gay gag. Of course they didn't, And but they went
about the screens Christmas besides flamboyance cat wait mean to say flamboyance that's our code
word now? Who came up as saying as gay as Christmas? I don't
know is it still said? Had someone saying about three months ago. I
was like, I'm not sure we'll had to say that anymore. The guy
he's his gay as Christmas? And I was like, hmmm, yeahstive family
fun it does. That's the thing I mean, I probably wasn't saying back
when gay meant merry and happy as opposed to yeah, okay, it's a
new meaning or it's not even new meaning. It's been It's means for a
while. But you know, they had the kids skating there and Homo says
to Lisa, if I paid for skating lessons, they could have been you.
And yep, that just set off the whole trend of him just being
a douche bathe This entire episode essentially pretty much Yep, Crusty email A performing
what the Nutcracker whatever whatever it was that it's a song from The Nutcracker.
Anyway, that's what you know. When they did that Christmas episode last year,
which was awesome, Christimpson's Christmas Stories and they had the final seven which
was all based to this song. Correct, I love that? So the
Nutcracker Sweet? I believe sweet? Is it? Okay? Yeah? But
this is probably be one of my favorite moments where it falls down, Oh
shut up, you knew the deal. Then the grumple he's stealing the holiday
cheer home. We're scared of the Grumble. Then we get I guess it's
Frosty the Snowman, Candy, Kevin and Grumble. They all beat up the
Utah Jaz because they're trying to take over the arena to play a basketball game
in an hour or so, and Homer beats up the Grumble and yeah,
I just I was just not sold on this Grumple. I just don't know
how, because apparently the Simpsons episodes go through rewrite after rewrite after rewrite though,
and I get they're working on the movie at this point, but how
does this story get through that many rewrites? People go, yep, let's
stick with it. I don't know, but I mean, this is one
of those things that had like a relatively quick fix where it's just Homer showing
irrational fear of the Grumple, and but Marge saying something like, oh,
the Grumples not real, it can't or oh Homer again with the Grumple,
you know, like it's an ongoing thing that he's perpetually scared of the Grumble
Sark puppets. Yeah, pretty much. And yeah, that sort of sets
up the fact that you know, he's going to be haunted by the Grumple
all the way through the episode. That's my thought. And it's always just
like that, could you see him? And then they look and he's not
there? Yeah, and so is Homer imagining this or is he not?
Yeah, it's like it's just a kind of costume. It's not much that
would have been funnier, you know. So then we're at Constanton's and everyone's
shopping for their family, late night, late shopping Christmas Eve apparently, Oh
that's true. Yeah, yeah, everyone's shopping on Christmas Eve. We mean
to the last night. It used to be a great thing. It's gone,
mate, I was talking about it. Maybe it's about on this podcast.
I'm not sure about Marcus Square. One of my favorite memories of Market
Square is Christmas Eve going out with Mum and picking up the Christmas presents from
like all the various places, and its just being pumped and playing Christmas songs
and everyone's just happy. It's fucking ten thirty on Christmas Eve. A good
time, no one. Yeah, you're not getting static from anybody. It
was like some people just hanging out there. We're all here for the same
thing. Yeah, let's try and make this as quick and painless as possible.
Hey, Merry Christmas to you, all that kind of stuff. Now
we're just sort of, you know, sitting on the doorstep waiting for the
Amazon prime guard or what's exciting though it is it is. It's nice when
you're tracking your Amazon. It could be here tomorrow. Yeah. It's like
yeah, like Zuckerberg at the end of social network, just hitting refresh,
refresh, refresh on your Amazon. On your Australian posting, it's like,
yeah, when it comes up, it's coming today, It's like, oh
what I am now my postman for I think it's Australian Post. Australian Post
Jeremy Jessa. I don't know him, and it was just like I'm like,
onto the sign and thing. He's like, no, nah, but
all good. I've got a surly guy who is not being friendly, the
same guy for you know, he's dropping up a lot of stuff lately.
I'm like I need to say anything. No, I'll be sitting ther editing.
I hear Brandon package at the door. Bro. He's like a ledge
and then I'm just like, well again he's just like see you, bro.
The funny thing is this man's Irish, but he's just havn't he's his
love and life. Like you know, sometimes you see postman, its like
again, I've brought it up some jobs. I'm like, I would love
to do this just for six months, yes, bringing the joy to people,
delivering their packages mail, No, Yeah, but delivering the Santa all
year round, yeah, it'd be so much fun. No one, No
one's unhappy to see the post, the package delivery person. So many people
left where we used to work when they worked in the warehouse, like seven
to one trot or to work for Star Trek. They're like, I'm going
to deliver shit, and I'm like, good on you. I mean,
I don't know. If you're an independent contractor, I guess you'd probably have
to pay for your own petrol, maintenance, all that kind of stuff.
I don't wouldn't be independent. Yeah, but there were many Amazon's independent,
A lot of them now, aren't they. I think so? Yeah,
they're always looking at cutcosts. Yeah, friend of the pot Amazon. Yeah.
Imagine if you're working for a straight post, which in Star Trek is
a straight post as well, isn't it. I have no idea I believe
that. Yeah, an affiliate thereof But yeah, they'd probably pay for your
petrol and all that kind of stuff. Or you do, it's just groove
round in your van A stilly dan there got a little suddenly. I'm stopping
off to get a couple of dim sem bottle of coke and bow months pie
and then dry on the seat. One of the fondest memories I have of
my old gig when I was working at the street paper down here Forte was
every fort I love the orde referred to as the street paper. No,
it's not bad. It is the street paper. It's always like that's what
it is, is like the street paper fourteen remember street papers A little context,
right, yes, yes, but every fortnight, this was the nineties,
I get an extra fifty bucks cash to get in the van with another
person and deliver it. You know, we'd get our Fortnit's copies bundled up.
It's like, okay, the businesses and people put it in like the
front fours, like the doctor's clinics and yes, so it was yeah,
cafes, clubs, pubs, et cetera. And there we was. We
had two vans. One would go around the Geelong and the Surf Coast and
me and this other guy whose name was Simon. Okay, I mostly did
the run with Simon, who was he ran this record shop. We'd do
Ballarat and you know we'd start early in the morning. You'd get a coffee.
I was still smoking cigarettes to that stage, so you don't have a
coffee and a fag, and so you're getting paid your hour of the red
plus fifty dollars on top of two this no, this was just a fifty
dollar thing. But how long? Not all day? It's like fifty dollars
then is probably of like one hundred bucks an hour? Oh pretty much?
Ye? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I was like this is this is
all right? But you know you're playing good music. You just you're dropping
off, dropping off that tissue, picking up the old ones. It was
such a great time. Yeah, I'm picture it now, Like you said,
Dimmy's from the Servommies, from the server where were getting lunch from?
Oh there's that cafe in in. I love when you find like a milk
buddy ever been before and you're like, I'm gonna try the dimmies and it's
oh my god. Anyway, enough reminiscing, Yeah, enough reminiscing. So
christmasp if everyone's shopping, that's right. So Quimby's buying clothes for his wife
and he's mistress mistress. I did like the the wife's size and mistresses.
Mister Burns buy is the gift for Philip, which it was a weird dag
who is Philip? We never seen him again? No, No, I
mean it's on one. On one hand, that's a very obvious gag.
He's like, oh, well, he's got a bromance going with this guy
who was essentially Smithers, and he's not noticing that Smithers is always there and
that kind of stuff. No, Smither's a need to advice. Picking at
a gift for a very dear friend of man, a single fellow, but
one with a warm, loyal heart. Well, sir, a fella like
that might have had his eye on this silver frame. It would go great
with his collection of Art deco. Shut up, shut up, there he
is, Hello, Philip, what are you doing here? Never you mind,
mister nosey, are you going to that string cordet thing? Because I'm
not here goopy for that. This is the classic example of a Season eighteen
version of the well maybe someone's gonna buy it for you for Christmas? And
how goes it? Should be really surprised when shure and he's an ironboard cover,
someone thinking that gifts for them when it's not, but then just ruining
it by going to and just kept going and going and going. Well,
that's the thing. There's so many gigs in this that I just let's keep
we can work it out. Yeah yeah, like and the Grumple is the
main example of that. It doesn't have to talk, it just has to
be yeah again again they like mister Burns just being horrible. Everyone's just horrible
in this episode. Yeah yeah, I'm looking for yeah, and they that's
the thing that they, I mean, the Simpsons, I think, sometimes
prides itself on like, oh, we're gonna zag where other people zig.
I mean that's what it sort of started as it's like all these families,
so it comes to like lovey dovey and everything like that, and we're a
bit like this is what families are really like, but we still love each
other. Yeah yeah, But for this episode to be like Christmas time people
guess what these people everyone's behaving badly, but at the end we're gonna come
together and everything's going to be good. And it's like, why would Gill
be like this when it's like you just cost him he's one chance to be
successful and he's like, Oh, it doesn't matter, come back to the
place and more. Just sing songs and be happy. I'm like, it
doesn't work. I mean even for him to say it's like, oh,
you know what, I took advantage of you for so long. I don't
shame on me, or something that doesn't say that, doesn't say that.
That would have been a better ending for this, rather than have March's ruined
it for Gil, have Gil just just having meet up with him realized there's
been a success. I wouldn't have written him out of the show, but
it would have been a nice character shift. I think you have n't be
success with him for a few persodes. Well. When was he introduced.
It was an introduced in the fucking the last So people always say he's a
replacement for like Lionel Huts, right, and he actually appears in the last
episode featuring Lionel Huts before Phil Hartman obviously was taken away from US Realty Bytes
where he works at the real which is why he is based on Glen garryl
I'm not sure you so he came in season nine, Okay, so he's
been around for a while nine years. Yeah. Yeah, And again as
we said, I mean, look, he's a gag that's good and fun,
but I mean he's not necessarily irreplaceable. And I get the feeling he's
been around long enough for this stage. Was like, let's give him a
graceful as let's send Gill out on a w Yeah, no, but no
deal. Well, but what good old Shadow bring you for Christmas? Soon?
I wanted Dirk bike one of those video game chairs that vibrate. Dad,
he's not the real Sandra. We can't afford that stuff. Shut up,
shut up, shut up. I better go after him. What are
your thoughts on Kernini's son. We've had this a few times and it's just
it's one of those logic gaps where I'm just like, I find it so
confusing. When you've seen Keernie's dad as well. In the episode of The
Home of they form one of the guys beating up Homer at the bar.
It's like, this doesn't make sense anymore. Yeah, I've never got it.
I don't think it's particularly funny. It's not funny, is it?
The for a one time gag? Maybe the whole I sleep in the drawers,
like, eh, one time, I forget about it. But to
be going on with to make it, it's just confusing to me. It
is. It is very confusing. But then Lisa's turn for to tell Santa
what she wants and what do you want? Well? Peace? What No?
I like that. It's like even Lisa's like, I do want that,
yes, but it's Christmas time. I want I want presents, but
she wants the sold out Malibu Stacey Pony Beach party with sparklesand and Gil realizes
I sold you know there's one out back. I'll go get it for you.
And then did you see the sign? Yeah? Yeah, Santa's making
presents. Just sitting on the toilet. I was like, that's good,
that's not bad. I like it. Thank you, thank you, thank
you. You're reeling. Made my daughter's Christmas well her smile, I made
mine. Mark's your freak boot fronts over here now, mister Costington, sir,
I'm glad I had this chance to talk to you. I've been on
the payroll here since May, and I'd really like to start working in ladies
shoes. Not literally, of course. I couldn't walk very fast, though,
I'd learn if that's what it takes. Never mind not Now, did
you sell the Malibu s tasty set? I put aside that was for you,
it was for my daughter. You. I won't mind dy no good
back that toy. Gee, I'm sorry, sir, taken back that Dow
would break a little girl's heart at Christmas even. I made a lot of
mistakes in my life, but I would never do that. Well, then
you're for but I, oh, you poor man? Fired on Christmas Eve?
Why don't you have dinner with us tonight? Please? Santa? Well,
let me check the bus schedule here, you get it, make a
transfer there? Well, I could be there by two am. We'll give
you a ride. That's swell. Could you swing by my ex wife's place.
I want her to see me riding in a car. I didn't like
this right because Lisa's standing there and at the end she's like, oh you
poor man. I know they try and make it. She's not paying attention,
but I'm like, you're there, my note. Maybe give the toy
back, Lisa. Yeah, like you've realized he's been fired because you've got
the toy and your first thought is, oh, poor guy, how haven't
you just give the toy back? You know, on this mistake. This
whole episode's finished. It's all problem solved. We just could killed Gill volume
one, Yes, exactly. Do you think that Costington is a play on?
Was his name bust Nass from Phantom Menace B But I think it's more
just I mean, the vibe I get from Costington's is very and this ties
him with the Christmas thing, very Miracle on thirty fourth Street, and they've
got the the apartment stores, and certainly in old movies, like the original
Miracle on thirty fourth Street, you know, they're usually run by big,
blustery gentlemen. I love the nineties remake of that. It was really sweet.
It was yeah, rich Richard Attenborough, Richard and Matilda and you watching
it and when you watch you're like, is he the real Sander? It's
one of my favorite stories. Miracle on thirty four I like the original black
and white version, and I think the remake is actually pretty darn good.
And the story just being there. It's just the spirit of Christmas. You
know, everyone believes, and it's just like they never try and like dumb
it down where they make you think, oh no, here's the real sand
But it's like it makes you want to believe is he that? Yeah,
it's a it's a great story. Plus the guy from the Practice, what's
his name, Dylan mcdomal, yah, Dylan Dermot. He's great in the
film as well. He's good. I'm a big fan of Dylan McDermott.
Do you I have never watched The Practice. My mom used to love it.
I've never watched it, and Nicole and I are looking for another like
lawyer firm show is I'm gonna ask guy, is it worth watching the Practice?
Yeah? Absolutely, I mean that's that's David E. Kelly who sort
of specializes Bill did Allen mcbill. And the thing about the practice is Boston
Legal as well. Well it it becomes Boston Legal because at the same Yeah,
because it starts as the Practice, and then I think Dylan McDermott might
have either had some contract negotiating. He's like, well, I'm not playing
this lead anymore, and they're like, well, we need to bring in
another character to sort of round things out, and they got James Spader to
play sure, and he was such a hit. So it's the same business,
same or it's the same story. It's it's sort of you know how
we had the same vibe we had that talk about extended universes versus this is
extended universe stuff. Because Alan Shaw joins the firm that the Bobby Donald was
running del mcurmott del mcdmmott, and then he goes and works for the Boston
firm or another firm kind of like the Chicago the Order and Shorts and Chicago
p D or whatever it is. I've never seen any of those Chicago shows.
I watched the Chicago because they did a crossover once and I was like,
I don't really like this guy. And then we watched the first few
episodes of the of the series and I was like, oh no, you
won me over. And we haven't gone back to it because we only had
the first season of something available on Amazon at the time or whatever. But
Dick Wolf, Jesus Christ, that's the hardest working man, second only to
Brendan Dan. If only I got paid Dick Wolf money. Every one of
everyone needs a how many Chicago shows are there? Because like, Chicago made
Chicago p D did a Chicago fight? But was he was he Dick Was
it Dick Wolf Chicago Fight? I think that's a dig Wolf show. Maybe
I like saying as one word, Dick Wolf. It's a great name.
But as we said, so Lisa just just lets him get fired and so
you're just staying there, then offer him a ride they offer him for dinner,
the kind of airplace for dinner maybe or something. Anyway, they offer
him a ride and he says, drive past my ex wife's so you can
see me in a car. Gil is then invited to stay for Christmas night
and they throw a Grandpa and I'm like, this is just like me.
Yeah, I mean that your present is leaving. It's like, this is
like not funny, this is not this is just not funny at all.
The difference between Homer like Graba being outside and Hope like closing the blinds all
at least that's funny to look at. This is just him saying go home.
Your president is leaving. We don't want you here, but we're gonna
have Gill. It's like, yeah, not buying it, not liking it,
but it's Christmas morning now and Gil. This is where we get the
side of Gill that we dreaded, with the side of Gill that we didn't
need to see, where he's bought all his shit in and now I was
just taking over the house. Yeah again now as I say, review what
you've got and what should be. But I get the feeling it would have
been like a funnier side gag if the stuff sort of gradually built up over
time. Yeah, it was too much at once, wasn't it. Yeah,
because then it was just gone the next scene. So I don't know,
it didn't work out that well. But but the grumples outside, the
grumples outside, just show the grumple. Don't have him talking. Yeah,
it's stupid. Gill is now cooking eggs a Harald stats and then explain,
Harold is I better did a little googling on Harold Staarson. He was a
politician who unsuccessfully ran for the positions of mayor, governor, senator, and
Republican Party presidential nominee multiple times. He occasionally was off in political office in
the US during the twentieth century, but mostly he was known for unsuccessfully running
for various public office positions. His final term was the governor of Minnesota in
nineteen forty three, and he passed away in two thousand and one. Yeah,
but all during the I don't know until up to his death, but
certainly through I think it was up until the nineties at least he was like
Harold Stasen. Weugh me I tell Clake Trey Parker, but I've just noticed
the note he has yees So. A studio album by Argentine rock musician Charlie
Garcia is named kill Gill, same as the title of because it's in fact
the Spanish world play for kill Bill. I when I was putting together the
say putting together, when I was looking for images for the new names and
for the mailbag for this for this episode, typed in kill Gil went to
images and a whole lot of these things came up, like what al says,
kill Girl? Simpsons? You have to put Simpsons sometimes sometimes you do,
Yeah, hey, who wants some eggs? Ala Herald's station? They're
always running. Do you really understand what that means? Have you ever laughed
at Jake when you didn't get it and you're like, please don't ask me
if I know ye Sometimes you're like you know this and you're just like,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like because then they look at you.
Fine, You're like, don't ask any further questions. We're gonna have
an unspoken agreement to us. I'm gonna laugh at your esoteric gag. You're
not gonna call me on whether or not I fully get it. Okay,
you feel smart, and I've given you a little validation. Let's just leave
it at that. But now we get Marge says it, you know a
bit of Christian charity poet start and I like that. Play there, play
it. Then Marge says she'll she'll throw them out, and a lot of
markets that don't work. When he's a parent of kids, you find a
lot of these things around the house because you buy like a pack of texts
and they use a text up, throw the lid away, and it's like,
how many fucking texters are in this house that don't work? I've found
myself of late, I've got like two coffee mugs on my on my desk
full of pens. Yeah, and these pen has been sitting there for a
very long time. But having a source of pens at your disposal is so
if you're like a king, oh yeah, but they're always hard to find.
So I think it was side for it a bits like I can't borrow
a pen. You always embarrassed to ask for a pen. It's like there's
more pens than people in this world, but we can never find a pen.
Just having a box of pens out, it's just like oh yes,
But lately I'm like, oh, oh, this pen's right, I'm gonna
need a new pen. Time to grab one from my mug of many pens.
It's dry. This is really dry. This was that like Margaret Mary
Christmas Present, have a pin, have a big but actually the big classic
fine that I used to take my notes for this episode was like a little
dream listen a Gill. I sort of fucking you know, get be on
your way by now. Really you gotta put me out on Christmas Day?
Well, that's all right, I can go down to the men's shelter.
I just hope that weird priest with the ruddy I ain't surf and soup because
they wait, you don't have a place to live. You're the boom.
I guess you don't have to leave till the holiday's over. Here's the boom
been lowered, No Joe. Then he just throws the guilt chip, and
I was like, oh, I don't want this guy anymore. No,
No, I mean you're gonna throw me on Christmas Day? Okay, Well,
I guess I'm just gonna have to go back to where I came from.
Say, yeah, you kind of should. Yeah, I mean we've
never seen him sort of weaponizing his uselessness. That's it before, and for
him to do that this time around, it's like, oh wait a minute,
Yeah, you are your own worst enemy. You kind of suck.
We've seen him plead for oh please, I need this, I need this,
but not the Oh well, okay, if you throw poor old Gill
out, then I guess I'll have to go back to where I was before.
Yeah, not cool. He's still there. On New Year's Day,
he's got a New Year's resolution to move from the couch to the chair because
he expecting a call from his boss at chap Pot Realty in Scottsdale. He
wants to take it. He thinks they're going to ask him to take the
office. Now, I did appreciate how you just it's meant to be.
Oh yeah, sure. Gill's like, that's ever gonna happen, And that's
the way they get him out of the house. I get the thing.
That would have been better if they'd sort of done the rule of threes with
it as well, or just you could have had a few good ongoing gags
and the like Homer being scared of the Grumble and Scottsdale being the holy Grail
for for Gill and you know he mentioned maybe just once or twice more throughout
things like just waiting on that call from Scott's. Maybe they do mention it
doing this. I don't know, but he I think because the phone rings
a little bit later and it's his foot doctor that's right, yeah, and
he says that's Godsdale. Yeah, but he plays up there. I don't
played up, but the bron car is here, so March was like,
I can't throw him out now. Then we get the transition, so it's
Martin Luther King Day. A weird cut did you say? The weird editing
here? So it's almost like they had the shot from like a wide shot
of Gil sitting on the chair reading the paper, and then it didn't like
zoom in on the paper, but the headline said Martin Luther King Day Today.
We celebrate him, so we don't write. But it was just like
they got the picture and then realized, oh, we'd have a close up
and have just like cropped it because the quality of that steal was so blurry,
that's right. Yeah. I was wondering, Yeah, it's like something's
not writing. My brain clearly knew, yeah, and I couldn't quite figure
out what it was and said it. Yeah, so it's just the still
shot of the like the chopped the cropped version of that, of that wide
shot. It's just on the screen for about three or four seconds. He's
still need We have to let him stay. It's what doctor King would want
us to do. Oh, that's it. We're changing doctors. Please just
a few more days, March. Admit it. You just can't say no
to anyone. That's why you have three kids. It's true. I do
have trouble saying no. It all started when I was seven. Mardorie,
we need you to hide our cigarettes in your dollhouse, No, Lorena,
anybody. And that's why I have trouble saying no to people. Even Gil
Merge, I have no idea what you were just thinking about. Why would
you think I did? Hmmm, they've done this before this, Jake Bett,
Why did you think I could? And it's like, oh I didn't.
I didn't recall having having heard or saying that before about Yeah, well,
so basically it's not that as you said before. They explained the joke.
He well, usually it's like home is visioning something. Everyone's sort of
sitting there going, yeah, is she okay? That's right. Yeah,
saying that, I'm almost certain we've had a moment where someone's gone, Why
did you think I could see that you're thinking that, you're not saying that,
you're not saying it. Yeah, but now we're at MOS and home.
It's sad he misses UPN now UPN TV station, right. I only
know this because it used to have the wrestling on it. I think it
was smacked down back in the nineties, early two thousand. But asked Homer
if he misses the UPN network now. Since The Simpsons is a series produced
by Fox now Disney, Fox only owned a few UPN stations. The episode
aired just over three months after the network left the air. For some reason,
I would think I was confusing the UPN with the ups which is a
delivery service again unified theory or four finger discount, because we were talking about
delivery services before. Yes, but UPN was the TV station he's referencing here.
But he's annoyed about that as well as Gill and Carl says, as
you were saying earlier, you have to allow Mars to throw him out to
assert herself. I thought she'd never be able to. And I'm like it's
a bit much for us to just because so she can't throw it, Gill,
she'll never be able to assert herself. Like you said, it's just
covering the fact that it's like, why doesn't have to throw them out?
I've seen you throw at Grandpa about five minutes, even Lisa or a bug.
Why can't all of them just go out? You know, It's just
it's a really silly story when you think about it, isn't it. Yeah.
I mean it's like it's a good concept there, but when you think
about the execution of it, it just doesn't make any sense. Yeah,
them just being too nice to for eleven months. Yeah, that's the thing
too. It was just over the holiday season when people are generally generous.
Yeah, yeah, and everyone's sort of using various means to try and get
him out of the house, as opposed to just like, oh no,
he lives here now man, not buying it, not feeling it. I've
kind of experienced this with a with a friend of mine who needed a place
to say because he just wasn't going well. I'm just back when I was
living with my parents, so we would have been maybe nineteen twenty at the
time, and I said, I you can say, to that place for
a week or two, just sort of get yourself back in your feet,
sort of out with your parents, blah blah blah. And then he was
there for like a year. Oh my god. I look back now and
just like my parents were saints. They never once asked for any money from
him. They fed him, they washed his clothes. He stay there for
free for a year. I'm like, no, wonder all my friends love
my parents, say my sister. My sister's friends have always said that they've
always seen my mom as like their mum because she just welcomes everybody in.
You know. She's like, what is his friend doing now? I haven't
spoken to him for a long time. He's Gil, he got what he
wanted and he was out of here, a real estate Kingdin It's we now
have another transition. February second Grand Hole Day. I thought you would have
liked that Valentine's Day and Marge has rented that negligee that home of likes the
legs going forever, rented the necklace. Yeah, but then gill enters eating
her chocolates and I was like, oh man, this guy's shit. I
don't know, wasn't a fan. Marge was bad to kick him out,
and then the phone rings and he thinks it's the Scottsdale Boss, but it's
the foot Doctor. I can't tell him that. And then Homer shows off
the butcher shop, which was funny, and it's actually not that he can't
close it because he's put on a ton of weight since he bought it.
Now it's February fifteenth, Susan B. Anthony Day, seventeenth World Human Spirit
Day. I don't know all these real things or they just thought they were
funny, but half armed funny of them aren't funny. March fourth, Old
Inauguration Day, seventeenth Sir Patrick's Day. He's all singing songs downstairs of all
the losers of Springfield. Crazy cat Lady Kirk just looks like a bum.
And Elep and Elepricorn who then fights fights the dog and dances on his head
and a few seconds to film. I'm guessing, yeah, weird. April
twenty eighth is Arbor Day. May eighth is v e Day. May ninth
is James L. Brooks Birthday. At least that's funny. July third,
Kind Appreciation Day, twenty fourth is Cousin's Day. July twenty seventh, Jerry
Van Dyke's birthday in Australia. So's his birthday July twenty sixth, and I
guess let's look that up. I don't want to cut the September eighth,
it's International Literacy Day, and we're out at school and Gil stolen the kids
lunches, and I'm like, why are you making these guys? So it's
impossible to like Gil at this point, right, He's stolen the kids lunches,
what the fuck? And he's given old nicotine patches, which he then
gives in Nelson because he's trying to steal his lunch money, and he passes
out. Then another transitions at tab A twenty fourth National Good Neighbor's Day.
I thought Flanner should have been on the picture for that. Yeah, ninth
Columbus Day, thirteenth, World Egg Day, twenty first Reptile Awareness Day,
November thirteenth, Gingerbread House Day, and then November twenty fourth, the day
after Thanksgiving them. We really actually could look these up. I don't know
if we want to do it now, but I guess right, I mean,
there are so many let's look up Reptile Awareness Day. I'm just going
to type that and see if that comes up with a date. Reptyle Awareness
Day. October twenty first, twenty fifty. Okay, so what is the
thing? Yeah? Maybe because there are so many days, it's kind of
like, hey, guess what today is such and such to day. I
know it sounds weird, but it actually is. It's on the calendar.
World Egg Day is a thing. Yeah, these apparently are all real.
Our National Good Neighbor Day is September twentyeighth. These are I say that Taber
twenty fourth in episode September twenty eighth. Apparently, thanks they're going to have
International Women's So I guess that is that Joe been that. How ridiculous are
these that actually days? I guess yeah. I think they thought it was
funny that it would be like, there are some ridiculous holidays. We need
to show the passing of time. How about we double down on the gag
and, you know, have the most ridiculous holidays? She show the passing
of time. Marge's raking LEAs now though, because it's the death Thanksgiving and
eleven months he's been there for now, She's still frustrated. Though he's used
to her leg raise it a pill carrots, and then ned thanks her for
the Christmas card, but she hasn't done a Christmas card yet, and turns
out he's photoshoped himself over the top of the family and she gives me a
photoshopping freak and she says that's enough. Now she's going to go scream no,
and I'm just like that. That's probably. Would you like, how
pissed off would you be if someone made the family Christmas card and put them
stuff on it and didn't tell you they're doing it? Oh? Quiet?
Did the davis Has have a Christmas card? Nah? I thought Margaret Mary
would have been all about it, just the point you told of me.
Oh no, no, no, no, But we have American relatives who
do that. American relatives. Yeah, yeah, My Margaret Mary has a
sister, Denise. Yeah, married an American gentleman named Wallace, and they
have two lovely kids, well kids, they're older than me, so they
are full grown adults. But they're really really nice people. Uh. And
my niece Orman, No, my cousin Carolyn lives in Austin, Texas.
Got a lot of guns, apparently, my nephew Rory went over to visit
like we were at shooting. It was fantastic. But now Karen is fantastic
and she every year will send a photo of her, her husband and their
son. You know, they've sort of got the Christmas. Christmas sweater is
not over the top, but it's like, no, this is Christmas y
and yeah, an actual card, an actual card in the mail. Yeah,
well most people just like emails now, yeah, no, we get
it like in February. Uh, but yeah, I notice like it's been
a great year for us. And here's what's here's the update. Here's the
update essentially, like this is is very American and also very nice. She
goes to say no to girl, but he's now gone. He's he's actually
been picked up for a gee in Scott's. That's right. I just found
my a dumption and I like it. Marge Simpson is gonna say no,
gil Gil gil Gil's gone back to Scottsdale. Problems of tender storry? Do
we have ten CAGs for dinner? Gil's gone? But I have a no
inside me that has to come out. Hey Mark, do you want a
thousand dollars? No? I mean yes, you're late, don't worry.
I make six of those a year? What the fuck was? Yeah?
Yeah, don't get it, don't like it. I make six of these
a year? Really, okay, so you tell me that I only makes
six thousand dollars a year. But they have lived in this house. They
can afford to go to school and feed and eat and come on, this
was the home in this episode was horrendous. Was not great, but it
isn't necessarily character just the writing of home it was just horrendous. I don't
know when it came back from commercial March. She says she needs this otherwise
she will never be able to say no. I'm like, what the fuck
is this story? I kind of understand it to some degree. I mean,
I think everyone in substage their life has had a niggling thing where it's
kind of like I needed to tell that person how I feel about them,
but not the whole. I'll never be able to say no ever. If
I don't say no to Gil. Well, they need Yeah, they needed
to flesh that out a little bit more then, but Lisa's not sure what
she can do much we're gonna do. When to go to Scottsdale and they
bring up the Triple Tree resort here, which is a play on apparently Hilton
resorts have double tree resorts. I did not know this. Me have look
here. Yeah, so I'm asked that they can stay at a triple tree
resort. This is a reference to the double Tree brand of Hilton Hotels.
Wow, okay, apparently they're not a fan of Hilton Hotels. I guess
in two thousand and six everyone was all about hating Paris Hilton, right,
I imagine, so, yes, as they are in twenty twenty two.
Oh, hating on her baby, we're in twenty twenty three hours. Yeah,
yeah, but hating on her baby. I was like, guys,
I get those Paris Hilton, but don't make fun of the baby. I'll
ask these active seniors if they know Gil. I'll have you know. I'm
thirty two. There he is. Gunderson Kills a big shot, and I
think he and I went share to show. I don't care how successful Gill
is. He's still a mooch and I need to tell him. I'm sure
we knew it was Gunissan with Ah. It's just because this was still like
eighteen years ago. He just assumed, or how long ago was this?
Two thousand and six. That's eighteen years seventeen year ago, seventy years Yeah,
seventeen years ago. Yeah, full a discat your home of maths.
But it's revealed here. His last name is Gunderson. He's on the billboard.
He's number one in Scottsdale and now hums and love and to think I
want you here to shower with him in Margins. I don't care. I
still want to say no to him. Are going to put him in his
place. So they arrive one hundred and seventeen degrees outside. So Homer reminds
Santas sort of helper who's been locked in the car with the windows up,
that this water bowl under the seat or something. I just had a what
I think is not a bad idea for March to confront Gil. He's like
trying to sell a house at the actual house. Yeah, and they see
him, like they see through a window, like he's lying on a couch
or something, and they think he's moochie. If someone else, I've got
to go tell him off, and you know, sort of you know,
word up these these people who live in this house. And it turns out
that he's like, oh, this couch is how comfortable and she's like,
he's a moocher and he did this and this and this, and they're like,
well, we were going to buy this house for this amount of money,
but now we're not, you know, and I'm going to tell my
uncle, the owner of the real estate company. And that's how Gill loses
his job. Rather than calling out in front of all these other people,
the whole calling him out in front of everybody and just being fire for I
was like, wait, why is he if he's number one? Yeah,
I think he could like he was number one, wasn't he? Yeah he
was. He was the alpha dog in the in the sales room and he's
been yelled at by a woman. Now he's getting fired. Well the peck
smelled weakness, they did. But he gives a great speech. You know.
It's something about the comission you make. It's the smile on their faces
knowing they own the land. Freeing clear. He's actually a pretty good He's
not bad at his gig. And it's funny because you know, the character
that is based on from Glengarry glen Ross is actually not bad at his job.
They do show in the film was like you get him in a room
and he's actually pretty good. But you know, some people just don't want
to buy. I do like the line of he's as pathetic as us.
I did like Gil still pretty confident. He has watch me change it from
furiust to curious because I like trying. Yes, the only house I'm interested
in is my own, which you defiled for eleven hellish months. But now
I've wanted to say no. Not the emotion, not of manipulation and a
big fan note of the King's Bridge School district. Oh come on, and
you can't say no to old Gilly. He's as pathetic as we are.
I put you in charge of this office because I thought you could tame this
town you food. And then it comes to him, I'm assuming they've gone
into a house that Gill has recently sold. I'm guessing that, But wouldn't
you have had a house in Scottsdale. It almost feels like, because because
the letterbox says the Simpsons, we've got to make it up to Gill,
let's buy a house in Scottsdale. I don't even know. And then it's
backed up with the Grumple family arriving and them singing the singing the Stummer song
about Grumpel Grumple Grew. This episode has ended. Yeah, uh, the
worst Christmas episode of The Simpsons to date by a long margin. And I
don't I dare I say not even a Christmas episode Christmas in name only?
What do we learn, Bomber? What did you learn from the episode of
Davis that when Sander says he's making presents, he's making presents. Send We're
taking a few kids of the pool? The South Park was make few kids
off at the pool? Yeah? What's taking the Browns to the super Bowl?
Giving a given birth to a Brown baby boy or something? I don't
know it. It was full one. But I learned you know what I
didn't learn? Actually, I didn't learn what the Grumple actually is. Is
he real or is he not? Because it was never confirmed at the end
of this episode. I guess we're supposed to believe he's real because he's got
a family. Yeah, I mean, this is the first time the Grumple
is a piecause I feel like, I think, was it really Grumple Simpsons?
Maybe it's just I've seen him in various things. Also known as grumpy
Grew, his first appearance was in this episode. Yeah, again, I
would have loved it. Like you know, he's of course the heel of
the ice Capades or whatever, and he's got a bunch of kids yelling him
and go boo Grumple or whatever, and home is the only one who the
only adult who boos him, and that really pisses off the Grumple. And
that's why he's got his on his revenge trip. Yeah, because it was
never explained why. I guess because Homer goes out there and tries to slitty
straight with his skate. Yeah, but I don't know. Ridiculousness could have
been fixed. Call your hands down there on. From miss day forward,
your names will be It is time for the Guy Davis New Name Championship for
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lot of good new names this time around. This was a tough call,
and of course I don't know who gave us these names. Dando just gives
me the list of the names. None of the actual people who suggested these
names, but I was very impressed with the majority of our entries. That
said, one point goes to the most guonderful time of the year. That
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So what I'm Jack, You're now going to go into at least the wild
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Nice work, action McFadden. Two points for mooch ado about nothing like
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So first position is a three way tie. If you want to be
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supporter of ours on Petrie On all right, male bad questions here, Ben
Lyons says to us, have you ever had a guest and longer than intended?
If so, how did you get rid of them? Or how would
you if you, how would you if you had to do that? Well,
I spoke about my friend. I won't say his name name agame with
j I'll say that Jav're listening Dano's coming over sleep on any can I know?
Are you usually the person staying over? But are you he's actually an
item? Or do you just come over and just like we can't get this
guy to go away? But he cooks a mean burrito? Yeah, true,
he does the dishes. Because I remember, we stick with the new
episode of not he has Netflix and stand to lose the moment's stand. Yeah,
we are indeed an item. Just confirmingously she's from Vancouver. M No.
I mean I am not someone who stays all that long and I definitely
don't have people over to my house. How often do you have people at
your house? Not often? Not often? Not often? No, No,
I mean the house isn't a mess or a scrace or anything like that.
But at the same time, it's not really sort of it's not set
up in a way it's conduced for having a lot of people over. It's
it's not really open plan. It's rooms. It's got a lot of walls.
The or the Nazi membiy probably wouldn't get in. Well, that's true.
Yeah, I mean I've got to, you know, take all the
pawn off the walls and parted in the cupboard. Why do you have that
super Bowl in the living room? Yeah? For your core? Yeah,
trying to build your your core. But having said that, I mean,
as I mentioned, the Lovely Lou and I were in California. We stayed
with her friend Claire for like two weeks and she must be so sick of
us, but but she really enjoyed having us over. Lovely person Claire was
fantastic. Jet Gordon says, has this episode affected you in your core like
it did me? Since its release, I regularly referred to an unhappy person
as grumpy grumpo League grew h. I think it affected us in our cores,
and like Matt sick to, I thought he was referring to there.
Yeah, I know because I can't recall actually seen this episode when it first
air. I think it is the first time I actually watched it might be
the same for me, actually so and I think Dan and I both both
walked away from it feeling like we're walking away from this. Glenn Gome says,
I enjoy the Christmas intro? What theme would you like? I can
say what theme would do to the christ to the intro because he's maybe asking
there how drop him to change what theme? Oh? Okay, so we've
had Halloween's on a Christmas ones? What else could you really do? I
did like that when Bart was fat that time, even though it wasn't changing
the theme, it was just changing the fact that he was overweight. I
would mind of Valentine's Day one that was kind of romantic, Valentine's Easter Eggs
Eastern one. But we don't know any other big sort of holidays are they?
Well, thanks to him, but we didn't really celebrate that here.
But yeah, I'm not too sure. Katie g says, a celebrity you'd
think would be the most annoying to stay at your house. I'm going to
say Andy Dick, Yeah, that's a good one. Or Tom Green.
I know Tom Green slides straighten himself out now, but like early two thousands,
Tom Green, I feel like you'd be like someone just stop trying to
get attention. Yeah, stop riffing. Yeah, no wild pranksters, yeah,
put my rat down, stop putting it on your tongue. You know,
those are both very good answers. Yeah. I think anyone who sort
of prizes themselves on being a rifster or a prankster who's a modern celebrity that
shits you that you're just like, oh, just fuck off. Every time
you see them on TV. This is terrible because they seem like a fairly
good person in a lot of ways, but based on the way they're coming
across on the screen lately, probably Ryan Reynolds, Yeah, just everything is
kind of all smam all the time. It's always smarm, isn't it.
Yeah? Yeah, I mean he's doing very well for himself, but you're
right, he does seem like a lovely person, but just his stick can
be grating at times. Yeah, So if I had to you know,
put up with the Ryan Reynolds that you see in say the movie Red Notice
or his cameo and Hobson Shaw be like, go away, Ryan Renolds,
go back to Canada. Harrison McClure, Do you guys think you'd make a
good mol sound? It's actually something I fancy doing when I'm tired. That's
another thing. Actually we have fun. Would that be I could do it
for a day? Maybe? Yeah? And well, depending on how it
felt the end of the day. It's like, I'll see you tomorrow.
You'll never see me again? Money, what's this wet patch of my knee?
Andrew Swan, were you disappointed this episode wasn't actually a Kill Bill parody?
I remember as a team being so disappointed. I will agree there was
not even a reference to Kill Bill in this There was not. I mean,
I thought it would have suited it because this episode, but like it
kind of it kind of suits I guess because you do want to kill Gill.
But that's that's the only thing. Yeah, and kill Bill was big
at the time, but one and two both came out in two thousand and
three. Right did they pull a matrix? Did he pull a matrix?
I thought it was a year apart. Wasn't it about a year apart?
Maybe that's what you're confusing with before with matrix when to kill Bill? Because
volume one was two thousand and three, Volume two to two thousand and four.
Yeah, and a couple more questions here. I've got a lot of
questions. It seems that people would just like question heavy this is do we
have one from Well? The next one is from Andrew JP. Guy always
looks nervous when Andrew JP doesn't like, have we lost him? We lose
Andrew JP? Shop He says, if you could write a Simpsons Disney short
about Gill, what would your idea be? That's a good question. He's
normally, you know, hitting us with the winners. I made a JP
Gill short off the top of my head. Well, you wouldn't do it.
Glen Garry, Glen Ross Parish, that's what that's his stick. No,
and I know that we talked about Jimmy Stewart earlier. I mean,
and yeah, Christmas time you think of it. It's a wonderful life was
one of one of the new names. Woul Probably it's a gunderful life for
this one. But that would be good. You know, having sort of
like, oh, jeez, it would be better if something. Now I'm
doing the Jimmy Stewart and badly like, ah, what it would be better
if I have never been born? And then I don't know, you cut
back and go to all the Gill stuff that you've had throughout the seasons and
maybe just riff on those a little bit. It's like, oh, well,
you know, we saw Gill that time, but then this happened,
and it's set up something bad that happened as a result, or you know,
things were worse as a result because we didn't get to make fun of
Gil. But I like Gil's attitude of like never give up. Yeah.
There was something in this episode where he said something like long a's got a
cup of coffee in it, tomorrow in the calendar. I'm like, that's
a good motto to live by. It It really is, actually, and
you could round out your Disney short with that. It's like, you know,
he's got his cup of coffee and tomorrow's another day. Yeah, you
know, and then you get the egg on his face or something like that.
But I do think that could actually work. Yeah, good question,
Andrew don Well, I don't want to hear from it? Eric, what
about good answer? Gay? Eric looked ring up. It took me twice
to get through this episode. I had to turn it off after home as
Homer lockx Sanders or to help it in the car in the in the heat.
Second play through, I was surprised and disappointed by the ending. I
guess March had to buy a house to save Gil's job. Yeah, I
mean, I guess that's what we were thinking it was. Why is there
a Simpsons had since Scots Downe Now? Yeah, it's so confusing it is.
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