AmsterDAYUMM! RHOC Recap with Alexis Bellino

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from The Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Hey, rain jobs. On today's episode of Reality with the King, we have to talk about I like to call this the preseason finale to the OC Housewives, but it's kind of making me said, if so, I'm like, wait, does that mean it's about to be over?

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Speaker 3: With me?

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Speaker 4: An alexis recapping the show.

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Speaker 2: I've been having so much fun, Alexis, how are you all?

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Speaker 5: Hi? Honey? Good good?

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's not honey. It could be goodbye for now, but not goodbye forever.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Hey, And that makes me super happy because at the end of the day, we have to get in to this episode.

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Speaker 4: I have heard your name more.

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Speaker 2: Time to this episode in this season since last season we on the show.

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Speaker 4: So let's just.

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Speaker 2: Get right into it as Alexis is shaking her head, hit Head, Girls, Games and Days. All Right, So the start of the episode begins where Emily is questioning the sort of validity of Shannon's friendship with Jen, and she's not quite sure if this friendship is genuine. As they're talking, Emily does say like, look, Jin, you said that you're not going to alexis wedding because Shanna told you not to, which Jen denies, and I'm like, wait a second, Jen, I have to go back to last week's epiod. So, because you know, I'm a journalist, Hey, Portia, and in last week's episode, I have the quote for you Alexis.

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Speaker 4: Jin said, and I quote I love you so Jen, but I got to keep it a buck.

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Speaker 2: Jin said in last week's episode rain Drops, the last time I was with Shannon, she asked me not to go.

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Speaker 4: Alexis. Where do we go from here?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I am a little choked up because you know, I watched this about twelve hours ago, and Jen and I have obviously been going back and forth. I don't want to get into details of that. We are trying to work through it, but what I will say is that, like I said, last time we last week when we did the podcast, you know, recapping Orange County. For that episode, I said, I definitely know now what was happening, and Jen tried to gaslight me and say, why are you not inviting me?

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Speaker 5: Why are you on inviting me? This is weird?

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Speaker 3: Well, because I felt something was happening and now it's airing, so I have a problem with that. But I also, I know people are going to think I'm an idiot, but I do have a compassion for what we do, the craft of reality TV.

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Speaker 5: It's hard, So I.

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Speaker 3: Don't understand why Jen didn't have a backbone to say to Shannon I'm going to my good friend's wedding, and why Jen tried to act like we weren't talking when we were.

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Speaker 5: But I also I just.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm kind of muddled right now, honestly, Carlos, because I've been dealing with this for the last twelve hours and been to Beverly Hills in back this morning. So I'm like, I've got to be able to process at all. I do know in my heart that Jin and I are going to be okay. We're going to figure it out, because you can. It is possible to have hiccups in this you know, TV world, but also to find a way to figure it out together. I think it shows Shannon's insecurities for trying to tell a friend who she can and can't be friends with or go to a wedding of I think it shows Jen needs the backbone. But it also what I'm recognizing on watching these last two episodes is that I feel as if Jen says what needs to be said in that moment and she forgets that the cameras are on and that the cameras are going to catch what you like. Like, that's why you have to be so genuine and so authentic on a reality show, because if you're not, it will get caught.

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Speaker 5: It will.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no it will.

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Speaker 2: And look, I had to go back and rewatched that scene Alexis because I'm like, no, I could a swore what you said.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I had to read a burbadi.

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Speaker 2: She said the last time I OspA Shannon, she asked me not to go, and then when she told Shannon she wasn't going, Shannon said, thank you. You You're only saying thank you as a request exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This is where this is where both Shannon and Jen get caught being You're absolutely right. That's where Jin and Shannon both get caught being playing in the playing for the camera. Is that what it's called playing for the camera? That's where they both just got slapped. Okay, because Shannon's.

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Speaker 5: Going, oh no, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't demand any friend to not to to not be friends with someone else. But then she says thank you, and then she's also like, oh, I thought you weren't friends with her, Like, if you don't really care, your reactions not gonna be that, your reaction's gonna be like fine, go that's on, Shannon.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Then there's Jen who's like, I never said that I like Alexis, which she did. Honestly, Carlos, you have to look back and watch. I watched it twice this time because I had to go back because there was so much for me to take in recognizing exactly what my fears were last episode, that Jen had done that to meet this episode, and I was like, okay, she does say I like Alexis. I have no issues with Alexis. What she was discounting was how much we didn't really talk, and we did, we did vent to each other, we did have back and forth, and I don't want to go into details about it right now because we are working through it. I am I'm not in a great place to be like, uh.

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Speaker 5: Sharing a lot of that, but it's a hard career.

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Speaker 3: And and Jen got caught because she said I am.

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Speaker 5: Friends with Alexes. I do like her. Okay, Shannon, I won't go because of you.

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Speaker 3: That's that's saying two things that once which they don't they don't correlate.

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Speaker 4: M hm m hmm. Now listen and listen.

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Speaker 2: I respect the fact that, look, at the end of the day, you have a real friendship with Jen, and you're really trying to preserve the friendship to where you don't want to say too much.

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Speaker 4: And I and I do respect that.

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Speaker 2: What I will say as a viewer is this, It's evident and highly obvious that Shannon does not want Jin to be friends with you because she needs somebody on her side. She doesn't have camera. Emily and Gina have each other. Heather rise the fence like she belongs on a at a landscaping company or a fencing company.

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Speaker 4: That's that's how she does.

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Speaker 5: To me, belongs a tulipfield.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, exactly, And I'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 2: But what was obvious to me is this again, you don't have to say much, and I'm not going to encourage you to because I do want you and Jen to remain friends, and I love the fact that you said you got to be fine.

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Speaker 4: What I will say I to view when that was obvious to me, When.

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Speaker 2: Jin downplayed how much she talks to you and what you said to me last week, how the phone call stopped, those.

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Speaker 4: Two things started to make sense to me.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I tell people on these shows and Alexis is correct. These shows are hard for these women to be on and it is becoming an alliance.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying what Jen did is fucked up.

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Speaker 2: What I am saying is I wish Jen had enough strength to be like, Look, I am friends with Alexis and I do love her. What I can promise you is this, I will not allow alex to.

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Speaker 4: Talk shit about you in front of me. And that should be okay because one thing Jen.

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Speaker 2: Did say that I want you motherfuckers to talk about Jen confirmed Alexis never talks about Shannon. So all of you people who think Alexis is so obsister Shannon jen is saying everytown talk to her, she never brings her up.

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Speaker 3: I don't bring her name up because she's she's a non factor in my life.

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Speaker 5: She doesn't matter to me. And I want to go a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit further on this right now, since you did bring her name up, which I would never have.

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Speaker 5: But when she says to Jen.

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Speaker 3: What Alexis has done to me? Okay, Carlos, I want to clear this up. Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I don't think you that.

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Speaker 3: Nope, you better put your depends on and your seatbelt, but you might shit your pants and you might fly through the windshield.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I want to deliver some news right now. Okay. What Shannon doesn't understand is that I don't talk about her. Did you hear how many times.

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Speaker 3: She brought up John's name or my name on this episode? Jansen bot this and that? Did do I wrecked John's boat? If she can't stop because she has no storyline and I'm now married to the man that she obviously is obsessed with, That's all, okay, I'm fine with that. What I'm not okay with is all the crap that she tries to talk about him and then going further, it's like she says, what Alexis has.

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Speaker 5: Done to me?

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Speaker 3: Okay, bitch, yes, I am cussing on this one. Sorry Billino kids, bitch, I ain't done shit to you. What has happened is you were caught on video several times, no, just once on the DUI night being a fucking monster.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm over all of the what Alexis has done to me.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I did was stand up for my man, who I married and I'm going to be with for.

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Speaker 5: The rest of my life. Yes, I did.

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Speaker 3: I supported him insuing the woman that owed him seventy five thousand dollars, which she's like, I didn't owe him.

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Speaker 5: Well, guess what any.

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Speaker 3: Idiot that believes that she's not gonna bow down unless she knows she's gonna lose in a lawsuit because we're paying attorneys thirty thousand dollars for a lawsuit. Okay, she's not gonna pay the thirty thousand to the attorneys to fight this to find out she's not gonna win, and then my husband wins the case because and gets the money because they.

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Speaker 5: Knew she needed to pay what she owed. We had the evidence.

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Speaker 3: I don't go on reality TV to lie, to deflect, to be a victim or any of that.

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Speaker 5: I live an authentic, true life. And so there you go.

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Speaker 3: Did you hit your head on the windshield, Carlos, Because there you have it, there's the tea.

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Speaker 5: So basically, right now, I am done with all of it, and everyone's right.

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Speaker 3: Bravo should have kept me on this season because my name has been mentioned more than half the other cast mates. But I'll take it. I'll take it because guess what. Truth always comes out. And that was my tagline last year. They played that when I was coming on season eighteen. Truth always comes out. It's gonna come out, and I'm not gonna stop.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I will say this in your defense. This is what I do find interesting. And this is why I always tell people. The people on social media who lovely pay comments is fine, who cares, But it is selected, Carlos.

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Speaker 5: It's it's three percent.

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Speaker 3: The people that comment on social media that want to be the a holes, it's it's three percent, So go away. It's not it's not the big it's not the big conglomerate picture of everything.

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Speaker 5: You're three percent. Just go just just stop.

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Speaker 3: Put your negativity to positivity, turn the world around a little. Stop leaving your negative comments like I'm over it. I'm leaving them all up anymore.

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Speaker 5: I don't care. Fine, hate me?

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Speaker 4: Good for you?

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Speaker 5: Why you follow us if you hate us so much?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yes, and with it? And people are loving you this podcast, in these recaps. So please, I'll, i'll, I'm the numbers, don't lie. What I will say is this What I want the Bravo audience to understand is, at the end of the day, Shannon is a housewife. Shannon has the right to say whatever she wants to on this show. Sorry, guys, I've been watching the show Shannon, mitch Is, Alexis and John a lot. He Alexis is not even on the show. So when you guys say, as Alexis is doing her job recapping a show that has Shannon on it. The reason Whyxis is than name is because she's nicknapping of the show.

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Speaker 5: What excuse and aunt Shannon's bringing up my name?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't mention her at all. If she didn't mention John or me at least five times every episode, I wouldn't bring up her name one time. John and I do not talk about her. She is such a non factor since day one that I met John, so keep going. But yeah, it's she is bringing us up, so I have to recap the show, and then I have to say, well, she's lying, that's not true.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about facts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you have every right to the finger stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to point out to the select them outrage is the fact that what excws does Shannon fans have when she constantly brings up Alexa John and alexis not even on the show this season.

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Speaker 4: So when you guys leave me in comments about oh.

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Speaker 2: My god, Alexis is so obsessed with Shannon, I'm sorry, isn't it Shannon's obsessed with John Alexis because they're not on the show this season and she still finds a way to keep their names in the mouth.

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Speaker 4: You numb me. I'm so, let's be fair.

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Speaker 5: Storyline.

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Speaker 3: She needs to find a storyline that does not include myself or John, and she has none, and no one cares about Archie anymore. Everyone's over the Archie and her falling. It's like, find a new storyline, Find a hobby. Like I've said many episodes before we've podcasted on, find a hobby, find something that you.

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Speaker 5: Are excited about in life.

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Speaker 2: That is you.

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Speaker 5: And stop bringing up me and my husband because guess what.

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Speaker 3: I was on a vengeance before last season when I knew everything that I knew. Now he's my husband, you better watch out because now it's a whole new it's a whole new. You better shut up about my husband period. Now it's my family and we all are one. We are all one.

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Speaker 4: Family, alexas Dance and Ladies announcement.

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 4: Let's get back into the show, Alexis.

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Speaker 2: One other thing that occurred this episode that I could wait to talk to you about is the hamster Will.

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Speaker 4: That is Tamera and Gretchen and take it away, Alexis, go ahead, this to go, let's go. I'm over it, over it, over it.

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Speaker 3: What I was gonna say is I feel like the show like last season it was all about John and I and it was a hamster wheel.

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Speaker 5: Couldn't get over it. Okay. Then in the beginning of this this season, it was all about Katie.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't get over that hamster will, and you and I are both like just done and over it. Now it's the Gretchen and Tamra Hamster Wheel. It's like we we What makes the show good is when people have the conflict and move on. What doesn't make it interesting or fun for you and I, Carlos to watch and recap on is when it's just it's like you're literally pulling, like, oh okay, another one and we're doing it again. We're doing It's like, I'm so over all of it.

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Speaker 5: It needs freshness.

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Speaker 3: It needs to be authentic arguments, which this is the one thing I will say. It is apparent to me watching this, and I want to know if you feel that, And I wonder what the viewers think. It is apparent to me that I don't think Gretchen can move on from the tamer of it all. Whah, I wonder, Well.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, because I'm not. I don't look I tell you, I stay off social media. I don't read comments. I don't look at the news. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I watched the news, the news, but not like the Bravo World News. I don't know, but it seems to me like I'm I wish Gretchen would just say like her crying this episode.

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Speaker 5: What do you think of that? Carlos like just I love Gretchen.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I love Gretchen. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. I keep I keep telling the world this Carlos King is a history when it comes to reality television, because I'm watching it since the days of Flavor of Love.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Like, I study this shit, which is why I'm good at my job.

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Speaker 2: I love pre Slade Gretchen, and I will keep saying that because pre Slade Gretchen was so fun, so beautiful, so iconic that the tears to me. She's conflicted because this man she's with is pulling her in a direction that isn't her. I don't think Gretchen inherently is a bad person.

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Speaker 4: I don't, and I'm gonna get black for saying that. I don't think she's evil like some of the other cast members on the show who should remain nameless.

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Speaker 2: There's two there's two oc Housewife who I do think are evil. I think they're bad people. I'm not gonna say the names, but I don't think Gretchen is that person. I will always say this, and again I may get black for this. I think Gretchen is in a relationship to which she is wrongly misguided, and when Emily clocked it and said, I think gret feels one way when she's around us, but then she has to go home and not go home or go back to Ho Ho Tael and talk to Lade, and now she's conflicted all over again.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I will say I do I want Gretchen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna say this house bad that I but I have.

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Speaker 4: To be honest. Gretchen is not.

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Speaker 6: Going to survive and get asked back to me because I think, based on what Slade produce her to be, I don't see a world when she comes back from this.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that I agree with one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Of that, but what I do agree with is I do agree that she is heavily produced.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a chance that she could be asked back. I think she will get eaten alive, and.

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Speaker 3: If they ask her back, it's because they have more to show. This is my own, my opinion, and you know what, Carlos, my opinion means nothing to anyone. It's like, whatever, my opinion is, just my opinion. I'll sit with that all day long because I have my family of eight and freaking eight for babies, so we were busy.

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Speaker 5: But and my four businesses, so we're busy. Okay.

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Speaker 3: But with my opinion, I feel that there's a chance Crutch and could get asked back. I think that she did lose sight. Everything you said about Slade is a million percent she was a different person. I do think he is the devil on two legs. I think he plays in sheep's clothing and he's steering her wrong.

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Speaker 5: He is, And that's okay because you know.

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Speaker 3: Years you don't get called, you know, elderly or old because you haven't lived on the planet to learn enough of the lessons, right.

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Speaker 5: I think Gretchen is going to learn a really big lesson by the end of this season.

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Speaker 3: I think she's probably already been knocked down a little bit, just from what I've heard.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but I have heard that it's not looking good. But you know, at the end of the day, it is your choice of what you're going to do.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask the viewers or the rain drops right now, I want to ask the rain drops this. Why can Tamra move past something that happened twelve years ago and Gretchen cannot? Why can I look past something twelve years ago that happened with Tamra and now have a great friendship with her, and Gretchen cannot. Why can Vicky and I butt heads and become friends again because we talk it out and Gretchen cannot? Why can Like when you look at the Housewives and all these things are intricate and we're filming a reality TV show. This is not day to day life people. We all know that is not what's going to happen in the neighborhood. The things that happen on reality TV are for in entertainment. It's not going to be what happens with your neighbor next door. So why is it that everyone can seem to put on their big girl panties and move on and Gretchen cannot because Slade has it out for Gretchen or for I'm sorry, Slade has it out for Tamra because of the deadbeat dad thing, and I'm sorry he's not not getting a job.

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Speaker 5: Because she said he's a dead beat dad. He's not getting a job because he is deadbeat. He's got to go work for it. He can't just live off of Gretchen's coattails, which she keeps saying it's all her. She's doing it all. So he's to stay at home.

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Speaker 3: Mom, that's fine, hang your hat on that, but don't be mad for something Tamra said twelve years ago. What they've said about Tamra even this year. Tamarra's willing to move on. Here's the biggest pinnacle of it all. It was just discussed this year. The rumor just started this year from Gretchen and Slade that Tamarra slept with somebody in a studio that nobody has the proof of because it's not true, and that she what was the other thing, Carlos, there was one other thing.

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Speaker 5: Oh, she drugged.

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Speaker 3: She drugged someone else there's no proof of, or her son like like that. They're Gretchen for Tamersat. I mean, all of this is just huge things.

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Speaker 5: But Slade can't get past the fact that he was called a deadbeat.

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Speaker 3: Dad freaking grow up, you little boy, grow up, because that's where it all stems from, and that's where Gretchen is having this. I think the reason she was crying so much this episode, to be honest, is because she is having that confliction of wait, I don't believe everything that Slade's telling me.

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Speaker 5: And I know I should.

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Speaker 3: I have to stand by my man, who's not my husband but my boyfriend or fiance of ten years. I have to stand by him and listen to him. But yet you're not really like letting go and true Christians let go. I let go of a lot of hurt and pain from a lot of these women, and especially last season, Carlos, I got my ass kicked and handed to me on a silver platter as a bit heard last season. Okay, and I am okay with it because it wasn't true what you saw, isn't all of the reality of it all. But did I forgive and move on? Yeah, So Gretchen needs to. I think the best thing she can do, Carlos is.

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Speaker 2: That no, listen, I agree with one hundred percent of the things you're saying, because even when her and Tamra have the conversation, they ended up by saying, okay, let's not talk about each other, as of not let's not do it. But then Gretchen does it again, and then what I thought to be interestincing again, I'm gonna say this, and you don't have to say a word.

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Speaker 4: I think Heather is so phony, and I paused it for years, and I.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how Heather can't claim to be Tama's friend. But when it comes to the way Heather handles Gretchen, she says things like, at her core, Gretchen is a sweet girl, which okay, I actually would agree with that, but I've never heard you say at her core Tamara is a sweet girl. Because when you and Emily both said that you don't trust Tamra, why aren't you able to get past other things?

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Speaker 4: You can't get past that.

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Speaker 2: The way she speaks about Gretchen and has Gretchen's back, I don't see her do that to Tamra at all.

00:24:29
Speaker 4: And that's why for me, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't understand why Heaven can never say Tamar's best friend, Teddy Mellencamp and her co host, is battling cancer in her brain and she is suffering through this. So, yes, has Tama done things that she shouldn't have done? Sure, and I think we all can say that, right, But at her core, I think she's a good person. But again, if you don't feel that way, Heather, they'll say things you don't feel. But to me, the moment she said that about Gretchen, I said, Tamar I have said this is day one.

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Speaker 4: The only friend.

00:25:09
Speaker 2: Heather is is Terry and hermas, And I don't care if people get infensited by that.

00:25:15
Speaker 4: I don't think.

00:25:16
Speaker 2: And maybe Josh Autman because she's I think he's only friends with the people she can give real estate discounts from.

00:25:22
Speaker 5: Oh golly, Carlos, you are going in right now.

00:25:26
Speaker 2: I'm just saying because it thinks this. I watched these shows like a student. I literally I study this craft and I listen to what people are saying. I have never heard Heather de Bro and range us. If I'm wrong, show me the receipts. Show me the receipts if I'm wrong, please, I have I've never heard Heather speak about Tamra the way she spoke about Gretchen in this episode. It was very delicate, and at the end of the day, unless heaven de Bro tells me for the past twelve years when Gretchen was off the show that y'all two had dinner at fancy restaurants. I don't understand why you're so while you're taking up so much for Gretchen when your friend is crying and leaving because she's been accused of drugging somebody.

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Speaker 4: Your friend has been accused of drugging somebody.

00:26:21
Speaker 2: Your friend is battling a depression and she admits that she's on medication and taking some because.

00:26:28
Speaker 4: Of it, but you have no grace for her.

00:26:30
Speaker 2: You stab her again and shank her when you say things like I don't trust you. I don't want to be friends with no motherfucker who doesn't trust me. But that's Carlos King, and that's what I have.

00:26:44
Speaker 4: To say about that.

00:26:45
Speaker 5: So let me. I'm glad you got that all off. Do you feel okay?

00:26:50
Speaker 4: I didn't feel good.

00:26:53
Speaker 2: I had to do that.

00:26:53
Speaker 3: I had to do that earlier in this podcast. So we both feel lighter now. Okay, we got it off our trust O. Yes, cut que piggyback on your comments. I felt that sitting next to Heather last season on the reunion. I did because Emily's screaming over me like an elephant woman like ever Shrunk's just flying up and she's like slapping me in the face, and Heather's right there in between.

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Speaker 5: Okay, right there, could have simply said Emily just alets us talk.

00:27:22
Speaker 3: Not one time did she, But yet she fought for me to get back on the show for a long time, and I do feel like she's my friend. So I do have to say, when I'm being objective recapping this show, everybody, I'm not trying to dig on people. I'm trying to recap a television show. I do feel some of that from you, like what you're saying. I do feel like Heather needs to stand up for what she truly believes. And I think she just doesn't want any slack or slack or from anyone. But I think that it's gonna end up biting her in the butt.

00:28:00
Speaker 2: I think.

00:28:00
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I don't what is what is Heather getting right now?

00:28:04
Speaker 3: Are people noticing this or is this just honestly a Carlos feel from watching it, Like, is she getting some like Okay, Heather stand up for some people here?

00:28:13
Speaker 5: Well?

00:28:14
Speaker 4: No, Listen.

00:28:14
Speaker 2: The reason why I never based my opinions off of the three percent on Twitter is because I know that people have select them outrage and and and those you.

00:28:23
Speaker 4: Like you like it.

00:28:25
Speaker 2: They can do the worst things in the world, but they get they get defended. You know, we see that with Shannon's a horror behavior. Shannon allegedly yells at production that's a note for me. I don't play those games. It's true, Yeah, that's that's a no note. But if tamray'll that production, they would give her her as the kiss, you.

00:28:47
Speaker 4: Know, because of that.

00:28:49
Speaker 2: So I don't know if people on Twitter are seeing Hea there's I think Hea there's duplicitous.

00:28:57
Speaker 4: I'm not sure people are seeing it. I don't give a fuck if they don't. I see it. And I'm somebody who watched these shows with no bias. Yes, I'm PRIs. But Tamra, but last year, I.

00:29:06
Speaker 2: Said on this various podcast Alexis, I said, look baby, uh jen Rad Tamra.

00:29:11
Speaker 4: Now on that trip when he stormed in the hotel room, man, I said, Tamora, he got red girl who deserved it. So I'm not biased. What I what I'm able to see is the fact that.

00:29:25
Speaker 2: There's bias when it comes to the audience projections when it comes to these women and Heaven de bro is duplicitous. She's no one's friend, and that was evident when she gave all of these sweet gestures to Gretchen.

00:29:38
Speaker 4: I had yet to see her give it to Tamera.

00:29:40
Speaker 3: That's my opineah, and I don't I don't understand honestly, Carlos, why she's giving props to Gretchen because Gretchen has been awful to Tamera on this on this same season, Heather's seen it. So not only has it been going on for twelve years on this on this season, Heather witnessed it.

00:30:01
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

00:30:02
Speaker 3: It makes no sense to me other than I've said this before, Carlos, Gosh, Rain Drups don't hate me. I've said it before on a couple episodes ago that we podcasts ago. I think the girls are trying to ice Tamra out again, I do. I think that they are like Tamra is the only reason the ratings got better was.

00:30:22
Speaker 5: When Tamra got brought back. Okay, then the ratings are back because Tamrack calls a spade a spade or slay a slave like we said before.

00:30:30
Speaker 3: And the problem is the problem is if they I throw out and Tamara gets canned another nap, she has to take another nap for a couple of years, the show's going to tank and they're going to have to bring her back.

00:30:43
Speaker 5: So it's almost like it's almost like the girls.

00:30:46
Speaker 3: I feel like the girls don't like the truth being called out, but Tamar's the only one that will do it, and we'll keep the storyline moving forward. And I don't care if she's my friend or not. I don't give a crap about that. I'm talking objective from me watching.

00:30:59
Speaker 5: This show because guess what.

00:31:01
Speaker 3: We all saw the ratings when Tamora left, and we all saw the ratings when the Tammar came back.

00:31:05
Speaker 5: Okay, Hello, that's receipts in itself, just by looking at the billboard on that.

00:31:10
Speaker 3: Okay, But so she could very easily be canned because the girls are all like, well, I don't want to fill with her.

00:31:17
Speaker 4: I don't know.

00:31:18
Speaker 5: We're trying to.

00:31:19
Speaker 3: Get off because she calls the facts, but she'll be back.

00:31:24
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:31:27
Speaker 2: Well look look Li look, always listen rain Drops when you watch these shows. Always listen to what they're saying, because it's buzzwords. When Emily and Haber both said we don't trust Tamra, those were code words for we wow her off the show. We can't feel with somebody we don't trust. They feel like goes too low.

00:31:47
Speaker 3: I never thought about that. But it's not Tamra goes too low. It's Tamra won't let you go from the truth like, she'll tell the truth. She'll call the truth and that's what you know what else, Now, what you just said just got me fired.

00:31:58
Speaker 5: Up a little bit.

00:31:59
Speaker 3: When she's calling the truth out, they think, oh, we can't tell her any information. Unfortunately, you don't have to feed the information of Tamra because you're filming a reality show. So Tamara is smart enough to watch things happen and know truth about what's going on behind the scenes and in the scene. She's just the only one that will actually call it out when all the other women.

00:32:21
Speaker 5: Will sit back and be like, Oh, we're going to it farm and you know, no.

00:32:27
Speaker 3: Tips, No, Tamara's gonna move the storyline and tell the truth.

00:32:32
Speaker 2: No, that's that's that's that's that's what it is, guys. Because it's the reason why they I saw Katie. Is the reason why Emily said I'm mad at you, Tama, you me with Katie, because that meant, oh my gosh, Tamara's gonna bring Katie back on the show.

00:32:45
Speaker 4: Katie knows too much and she's willing to bring it up.

00:32:48
Speaker 2: That's what's going on, and it was evident because let's let's get into what Tamar did Tamra showed Jin And and I want.

00:32:56
Speaker 4: To get your honest thoughts on this, not that you you're not honest, but.

00:33:00
Speaker 5: No, no, why.

00:33:05
Speaker 4: Don't start girl?

00:33:06
Speaker 5: Now, Okay, I'm going to start lying right now.

00:33:13
Speaker 2: When approached Jin And said, look, I got this podcast. I heart sensed those topics to talk about, which I can confirm as against co hosts on two teas of the pod towns telling the truth, the producers docing topics for us to discuss right when I'm against co host on two teas of the pod. And she did show Jen a headline of how Jen, you know, have to pay six figures for a set, I'm able to come to some rent, you know. She she went to Gin and said, look, this is what came to me, and there you go. I thought that was a nice gesture. Jen said, look, I'm just not sure I can trust the intentions of what I'm white Tamra brought this to me.

00:34:01
Speaker 4: I didn't think Tamra was doing it to em barness. Jin, I think two things, and this is my opinion.

00:34:11
Speaker 2: Camera understands how to make great TV. So she understood, like, okay, this is what came to me. Instead of me talking about it behind her back. I'll go to her to talk about it, and then from beer, Jen Cans said, one of the fucks she wants to about it. But at least I brought it to the source. And that's why Tamera is a great reality star because she knew I do have this info. I can easily talk about it to the girls, But why not pull Jenn aside and say, look, this is what I had And I thought two things can be true.

00:34:45
Speaker 4: Yes, I thought she had the best intentions, but also thought she was doing her job.

00:34:51
Speaker 3: Well, I agree with you, I also have a I have another feeling to it. So my question would be, it's a headline. It's an article that came out. It was not private information. It was on a headline in a tabloid.

00:35:13
Speaker 5: Okay. That means we're all going to know about it in the next twenty four hours anyways.

00:35:18
Speaker 3: And I don't think that it's bad at all that Tamra brings up something to get clarity for everyone about the fact that please clarify for me what does this mean? And by the way, there's nothing wrong with Jen owing that many and they had they weren't a hard time and then they paid it back.

00:35:38
Speaker 5: Who cares. It's just like a credit card.

00:35:39
Speaker 3: You you swiched your credit card, you pay it back over time, you pay the interest, whatever, So who cares about that? That's not even a big deal. But I don't think Tamar had bad intentions. I think she said this is going to be in a headline.

00:35:51
Speaker 5: Let me just clear the air.

00:35:52
Speaker 4: Now.

00:35:54
Speaker 3: We also know that there are certain things that we are to discuss on camera, and the scene doesn't end until things are discussed and hashed out. So I think Camra was doing her job. She got handed a job to do and she delivered for the viewers. You're welcome is what the viewers should be saying, or a thank you, I mean, and Tamra can say you're welcome, but like that was a job.

00:36:24
Speaker 5: We've all been to.

00:36:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Agrey, I feel like she's doing her job and it's not a rumor that she heard from the neighbor.

00:36:33
Speaker 4: This is a headline that she was presented to her, and from there you have everybody to do it.

00:36:41
Speaker 2: It's the way just zeb Bryan works a potomac, Like, these are things that are out there and I feel like it's okay to address it.

00:36:48
Speaker 4: Similarly, similarly to what Emily feels.

00:36:54
Speaker 2: She and Gina are in a bad spot when it comes to the fact that, according to Gina weeks ago, Tamra showed her and they showed the flash sideways, which is Tamra actually showing Gina this Instagram post that allegedly Gene I'm sorry that allegedly Gretchen Life.

00:37:20
Speaker 4: Now they did blur it out.

00:37:23
Speaker 2: The post pretty much said something about pedophilia and homosexuality. That's that's what the post was about, that allegedly allegedly allegedly Gretchen.

00:37:36
Speaker 4: Like, Okay, that was the post that they've burned out.

00:37:41
Speaker 5: You missed the one key part to that.

00:37:42
Speaker 3: It was because I've seen the post because it popped up on my Instagram too.

00:37:47
Speaker 5: It just came up when all this was happening. But it's pedophilia and homeo homosexuality are equivalent, You're the same.

00:37:54
Speaker 3: That's the part you missed. Just now for the brain ops to hear it that you didn't say that is that is what this post blogger, I don't even know what it was. I don't even know the site that quoted this said, if you are homosexual, it's the same as pedophilia. Okay, how disgusting is that number one. But the fact that Gretchen liked it is the grossest part of it all. And that is where you just said the homosexuality and pedophilia. You didn't explain to the rain Drops exactly it was that. It was that they were making it equivalent. It's not it's not equivalent.

00:38:27
Speaker 4: Yes, no, you're you're right, yes, and I want to find it.

00:38:33
Speaker 2: They they scrubbed it from the internet, but obviously, as you know, on the internet, everything isn't totally scrubs. The alleged alleged alleged post said, when you open the door to homosexuality, you open the door to pedophilia. You'll never win by normalizing perversion. That is what the alleged post said that allegedly gret like Gretchen. I just want to say for the record, Gretchen has since denied it, so I do want to say that on the record, she's saying that it's not true.

00:39:09
Speaker 4: She never liked it, and I believe she's a legend. It was photoshop and rain dropped.

00:39:15
Speaker 2: Just so you know, this is the post that we saw in the next week sees the finale where Heather of the bro seems to be angry about it and confronts Gretchen, and Gretchen is saying that it was not true. Look, I will say this, that is a disgusting post. Anybody who likes it, you're a disgusting person to like it.

00:39:38
Speaker 4: Gretchen.

00:39:40
Speaker 2: We have to see what happens. I saw the post. It does appear that Gretchen did like it. And what people have been saying about Gretchen that you and I talked about, Mom, you know, weeks ago, but you got really upset about it, rightfully, So a lot of people are.

00:39:56
Speaker 4: Saying that Gretchen has homophobic.

00:40:00
Speaker 2: Leafs and what we did see before I'll let you respond, alexis what we did see in Becoming Attractions for next week's see the finale was Gretchen mentioning something biblical, and that's when I believe was Gina, who was like, but wait, what does it have to.

00:40:21
Speaker 4: Do with X, Y and Z.

00:40:23
Speaker 3: So I do want to say that, yeah, I mean, I don't want to comment on next week's episode because it's I love the teasers and they're never sometimes they're not even ever true, or it throws you off or whatever, So I don't really want to talk about that until we actually watched that episode. But what I will say is to say that it was scrubbed or or not her mention it or you know, liking it. Carlos, I would love any person following your podcast.

00:40:53
Speaker 5: Which you have, how many followers do you have? How many brain drops do you have? Hundreds of thousands, one, hundreds of thousands?

00:40:59
Speaker 4: Thank you guys.

00:41:00
Speaker 3: I would love I would love one of them to come forward and simply DM you or me and say, yes, it's happened to me that my account has been that I had this happened.

00:41:11
Speaker 5: I would love one because guess what when my account got hacked.

00:41:16
Speaker 3: I didn't suddenly start getting liking posts that I liked where it was they just tried to shut me down, and they put Armenian words under my profile, and they they.

00:41:27
Speaker 5: Locked me out of my account.

00:41:28
Speaker 3: I got it back, but that hacker didn't put me liking things I didn't like it. So I would love one person to come forward and say that number one, number two, that is the easiest scapegoat, That is exactly a one oh one Slade's We're going to cover up your mistakes, Gretchen, and we'll figure it out.

00:41:51
Speaker 5: Do I think she probably did say that and regrets it. Yeah, but that's the end of it. Pure. I mean, I don't I don't any of that that it was What did she say, scrubbed? Is that what you said? She said it's scrubbed. I don't even know.

00:42:06
Speaker 2: Well, no, so I believe and again we'll know next week when the episode airs.

00:42:11
Speaker 4: I do believe that Gretchen allegedly did an.

00:42:14
Speaker 2: Interview and she has denied that she liked it and she was single photoshopped.

00:42:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry, you can't photoshop people's names, and no, that would happen. Can you imagine how many of us would be getting a cute like There would be so many people saying it's photoshopped that it would we'd hear of this all the time.

00:42:34
Speaker 5: You don't hear of this.

00:42:36
Speaker 3: You don't hear of people's accounts being photoshopped and liking somebody else's post.

00:42:40
Speaker 5: It's not heard of.

00:42:41
Speaker 3: So that's why I want the rain drops to come forward because maybe I am ignorant in that topic. But I've never known one friend. I have a lot of friends. I have a lot of people on social media that I know I've never heard of. They're liked being photoshopped in.

00:42:56
Speaker 2: I haven't either does being completely on it and this is this is going to rear's ugly head next week, and we'll see what happens.

00:43:06
Speaker 4: But it's gonna be good because yeah, we're going to.

00:43:10
Speaker 2: Get down to it for the season finale and really really get down to like what is happening. But again, look, I am thrilled that we get to really see the combination of what's been happening this season.

00:43:23
Speaker 4: And I'm ready for the reunion. I'll pray for that.

00:43:27
Speaker 3: Carlos, hold on, I want to see next week and then, yes, we need the reunion, but I need to see next week.

00:43:33
Speaker 5: Okay, I got for sure.

00:43:35
Speaker 3: You're you're like you're like running to to Neiman Marcus and we barely just park the car, Like come on, okay, I haven't got my seatbelt up yet, I haven't turned the car off, and you're already Anemen Marcus.

00:43:49
Speaker 5: Okay, slow down, buddy, take me.

00:43:54
Speaker 2: To both thank me to the storms nor next week su finale.

00:44:00
Speaker 4: It looks to be good.

00:44:02
Speaker 2: And trust me, Ray Josh Alexis, I will be back to recap that. Alexis, thank you so much for hopping back in.

00:44:09
Speaker 4: I think you had a busy day. I love you, give my best to John le kids, and I will see you next week.

00:44:16
Speaker 5: Next week.

00:44:17
Speaker 4: Bye, alright, bye baby bye.

00:44:23
Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with the Lack Effect Network. You can also find us on my YouTube channel at Being Carlos King.

00:44:38
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