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Speaker 2: You got all the kids in town? Are you guys all love? What's New Year's even gonna look like? I don't know, man gett.

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Speaker 5: I want to be probably probably start as soon as the show was over.

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Speaker 3: It probably started yesterday already started continuing into today. They top golfed yesterday.

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Speaker 5: So my son's actually a pretty doll going good golfer man, the younger one. So they went to golf have a good time doing that.

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Speaker 3: Did you bring Monsy?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 5: I know she loves top golf. I know and in Vegas too, of all places. We didn't take her yesterday. Sorry, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Mancy? Might be we might need to retire that?

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Speaker 2: All right? So you guys want to hear John Caspary bitch about uh about a situation that's currently going on in college basketball. He recruited me cal party did Where was he?

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Speaker 6: Then?

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Speaker 3: You mass?

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Speaker 5: That was when he had us cambi in. Yeah, they had that year, that magical year they practiced on our court. He came there because his his head coach was my head coach. His college head coach was my high school head coach, and they were recruiting me. So they brought the team there to practice. He came and gave us a great speech.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, got recruited by coach cal Bob Huggins.

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Speaker 3: Who else John Thompson.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about me.

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Speaker 5: I had a few Villanova recruited me. I had a few few teams. You know that I just stopped growing, that's all, you know, that was the problem. I would have had to become a real basketball player if I was going to play basketball. It's too short to just use talent.

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Speaker 3: So that's wild too, because how sorry you like six four six six four six four, it's like six y three just under six four, right.

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Speaker 4: It's just funny though that like you're like this, yeah, but this is the way you're saying it, Like I'd have to become a real basketball player, which you know.

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Speaker 3: For most people like I just I don't know. I think you were better than most.

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Speaker 5: I had a vertical I could jump. I think what had people confused is I was getting rebounds over guys that were like six nine, six ten. But it's only because I could move quicker. You know, the taller they were, the slower they were, and I beat I beat quads up, elbowed quads, So you didn't get off the ground as quick, didn't move as quick. I was like a rockman. I was a work guy. I was gonna run, run, run, run, use my quicks off.

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Speaker 3: The court too.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah ruined me. Basketball ruined me. Football saved me. Basketball ruined me. It's a different level of clout when you play basketball. Man, I ain't gonna lie to you like I was on the circus, you know, a bro. I was on the travel circuit and that that iso very different than football.

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Speaker 2: Bob Huggins showed you the row.

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Speaker 5: So hey, brouh, it's very different from football. I don't know why, like I was considered to be way handso murder being a basketball player than I was a football player. But it is what it is. It's still all worked out so well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the good news is you could probably go back and play now based on I got one year, based on what we've seen. So we talked about this a little bit yesterday on our show.

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Speaker 3: Yes Wow.

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Speaker 2: James Naji, who was a former NBA draft pick. He was the thirty first overall pick. I believe in twenty twenty three, he's with Baylor. Now he has now gone back and he's playing with Baylor, and so some people have not been thrilled about what he's going on. Yeah, it's the whole things wild. You got European players that are coming in that are all it just none of it makes any sense. And John Calipari decided, you know what, somebody's got to speak up.

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Speaker 3: Let me be the guy.

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Speaker 7: Well, look, I don't blame coaches. You know, I've got friends that are playing with twenty seven year olds and they feel bad. I said, don't feel bad. We don't have any rules. Why should you feel bad? But let me give you this real simple. The rules bees the rules. So if you put your name in the draft, I don't care if you're from Russia and you stay in the draft, you can't play college basketball. Well that's only for American kids. What if your name is in that draft and you got drafted, you can't play cup because that's our rule. Yeah, but that's only for American kids. Okay, okay, Now here's the next lawsuit. Well, we don't have a say over European players. You do if they're playing in college basketball. So that means you don't have a say over high school kids. So whatever a high school kid does before he comes here, don't you do one thing because there's a suit, Because what you're saying is if he's in Europe, we don't have the same rules. Does anybody care what this is doing for seventeen and eighteen year old American kids? Do you know what this opportunity has done for them and their families? There aren't gonna be any high school kids who other than dumb people like me are going to recruit high school kids. I get so much satisfaction out of coaching young kids and seeing them grow and make it and their family life changes that I'm gonna keep doing it.

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Speaker 3: But why would anybody else?

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Speaker 7: If you can get NBA players, G League players, guys that are twenty eight years old, guys from Europe?

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Speaker 3: Do we really know their transcript?

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Speaker 2: Do we have somebody over there?

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Speaker 3: Do we really know their birth certificate?

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Speaker 2: So that was John Calipari, let it be own his feelings on the situation involving guys returning to college basketball late into their twenties with eligibility still remaining in the NBA draft. Charlie Baker, the NCAA president, He responded with a statement, on Tuesday that said, quote, the NCAA is not and will not grant eligibility to any perspective or returning student athletes who have signed an NBA contract, including a two way contract. Calipari was on ESPN last night and said, well, they're moving the goalpost now because now it's if you haven't signed a contract, you can't come back. But when before it was if you are in the draft and you get drafted, that's it.

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Speaker 4: And and they're saying that because of their legal expertise that someone's provided Charlie Baker, that they feel like they can say that and not get sued because every time the NCAA has gone, you know, up against the judicial system, they've lost. This is an inflection point for college sports, and it's one of the reasons like why on our show on two Pros, I've continually talked about this with you guys in regards to everything kind of seems up in the air, and basketball has been further ahead because there's been this whole you know, at first you could just leave right from high school and go to play professional basketball, and then it came back in with the one undone and John Calipari was one of the first to really embrace that and embody that, but even allowing that to take place was a step closer to completely disregarding the educational component and the developmental component. And there's elements of that that are still at play in college football right now, and that's brought forth by the transfer portal because that's now become big business. So I say it's an inflection point for college sports in general right now because we've almost looked at trying to like, in a way private ties this whole experience for young people and what this experience means. It used to mean development, It used to mean getting an education.

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Speaker 3: It used to mean, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, graduating with a degree, a platform, a network, and a foundation, where after you were rewarded with that, you'd move on into the private sect or you'd potentially be lucky enough to be one of the one to two to three percent, depending on the sport, to play professionally. But at some point that ends. And now we've looked at it's completely different. We're like, well, wait a second, these players should be compensated, and yet we haven't had anyone come up with a structure that allows both things to work where they can be compensated, yet at the same time, we can still keep the educational component there for them. So there's something for these young men and women when they get done with their playing careers to fall back on to then go search for whatever that next is.

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Speaker 3: That's the tough part.

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Speaker 4: About this whole conversation is as much as we want to make light of it and joke about it, there is a lot of people who are impacted at the high school level moving into college that are having opportunities taken away from people who already had that opportunity and they weren't good enough. And I'll even go as far as saying this the NCAA whimping out with how many eligibility waivers they've granted for a lot of players who are now playing, you know.

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Speaker 3: Six seven years of college football.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing that same players taking up a high school players roster spot and his opportunity to crack into you know, onto the field and play and make his impact.

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Speaker 3: But it's all because it's become big business. Now. I hate it where it's at.

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Speaker 4: I understand why it's where it is, and I'm not like arguing for you know, student athletes not to be compensated, but there does need to be a reckoning where someone comes and saves the day. And I'm sorry, I'm just not a believer that the federal government is going to do it, even though it feels like every time Charlie Baker speaks he's begging Congress to step in and give them some sort of anti trust protection.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a it's a tremendously large conversation that Kyler Perry opened because there are a lot of unknowns there are, and there are a lot of different different ways of doing things and different ways of seeing things. And that's by sport. I mean, it's it's touched into now the gender conversation. You don't even you know, need to go down that road right now, but I mean that is a conversation that's out there as well. You know, people's ability to compete and where they're competing at. You know that those lines have been now been crossed and have been blurred, and those conversations are ensuing. But you know, by sport, you're talking about people that are you know when they say to Euros, you know it costs more, it costs more to bring European players here to play for one, it costs more, and a lot of times they go straight from from high school to pro There is no light, there is no system set up the way it's set up here in America. And so if you're if you are living and dying by going after that that what you would call experience and trying to bring that here to be able to compete and win in the certain sports that exists.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're right.

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Speaker 5: It is going to hurt what takes place with high school kids and developmental situations because you're not looking to develop kids. It's so interesting, we'll say, We'll hear coaches say it's all about the development, it's all about the development. But you you go into their practices, whether it's football, whether it's basketball, baseball, hockey, whatever you choose the sport. A lot of times when you go to these colleges, they are not doing focused development periods like they used to.

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 5: They get straight into it, they go right to it. No real development. And for what it's worth. The one thing that you mentioned Q that really is kind of becoming a scarcity is the educational component of it. You don't hear people speak on education. It's almost like the nil phase of where we are in college athletics has almost muted the conversation of how important education is in this scenario because most of the vast majority of these people will have to find a job post college career, the vast, vast, vast majority of them. And so now what are we doing. We're not only not preparing them to be able to compete, because we want them to be ready made to compete. Come in ready made. If you're not ready to go, then I'm going.

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Speaker 3: With who is?

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Speaker 5: But now you're also talking about those the expectations have have really really dowed in on what your obligations and your duties are to your team, to your team, and it only becomes an issue with your grades when your grades are an issue, right, it's not. It's not, oh, you didn't go to class, okay, like you're going to get in trouble for that. They have rules to govern like, you know, going to class and getting grades, but it's really not going to be a focal point until you've done something that gets you in trouble, you get bad grades, you're not going to class, whatever it may be. But it's not a main focal point of what's taking place. So I look at it like there's such as such a large conversation because the way we look at things. Yet you go, you enter your name into the draft, you can't come back. That's how I always thought it was, and I thought that is what it was.

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Speaker 3: I think it was when you signed with an agent.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, when you when you signed with I thought it was when you declare it for the draft.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. And if you got drafted whatever it is, well for for basketball, excuse me?

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Speaker 5: Right, Okay, So so again across sports, if you think about it, you can get drafted in hockey and still they go play. You can get drafted in baseball and still go play. You can be a pro in volleyball and still go play, you know what I mean. So it's like so many different different, uh you know, ways of how things are done by sport. It's this is going to be a very very difficult conversation to like come up with solutions for.

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Speaker 4: Let me play Devil's advocate to you, Jonas in this situation, because wouldn't you look at this and just say, well, isn't that isn't.

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Speaker 3: This how it's supposed to be done?

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Speaker 4: Like don't you go to college, if you're a student to then figure out what you want to do, how are you gonna make money when.

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Speaker 3: You get out?

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Speaker 4: And if student athletes have already been able to do that at the college level, then yeah, I think we understand the long term impact or the long term risks that are involved if you don't get your degree. But if you're making money while you're doing that, Like, isn't that the entire goal?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I look at it, and I've said this to you guys before, it doesn't feel like this is college sports anymore. It's this in between gray area between college and professional to where they're selling you the illusion of well, it's college and it's a college experience and it's this and it's that.

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Speaker 3: But there's money.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of money. There's influence, there's agents, there's like all of these things that are that are now being factored into it. That's professional Like, that's pro sports. Like that's what you deal with at the pro level. And I don't begrudge any of them, because yes, like that is the goal. You go to college to find out what's my next step? What do I want to do in life? And they've figured this out and they're just like John Caliparty said it in the clip. He said, look, I got friends that are you know, kind of feel bad. I mean, I would you know, question that how bad they actually feel. Yeah, they've got twenty seven year olds on there on the table. But John Calparty's like, well, look, don't feel bad. We don't have any rules. There's nothing to govern all this. And so there is also.

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Speaker 3: That John's the moral compass.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the other thing too, Like you know, he made it a point, you know, to let everybody know, hey, listen, I recruit this way.

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Speaker 3: He's self plugged. He definitely shamelessly plugged.

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Speaker 2: He was. He was one of the first guys that went one and done all the way through. I mean, Brady knows his time in Kentucky, John Caliparty's time there.

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Speaker 3: Bring it up now.

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Speaker 4: So he's like he's I mean, look, he's one of the he's a Hall of Fame recruiter.

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Speaker 3: Now what he's done with some of those teams.

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Speaker 4: A little disappointed as far as the development, but again, you well, when you only have one year to make it work to your point, levard it's tough like that, and I think that's one of the issues too. With even looking at like college football, where you've got to be outle of high school for three years before your draft eligible. But nowadays coaches instead of looking at a guy that gets there in high school and maybe he has to put on twenty thirty pounds and maybe you has to learn how to play the position or learn their scheme and then and then adapt to you know, the challenges of being like a maturing adult with your time management, being away from home, all that stuff. You know, Now they just go, well, that guy's not ready, We're going to find some of the transfer portal that's right, and they bring in a guy who they've seen on film can do the things that they're looking for. And again that's NFL, that is free agency. That is exactly what's happening. And it's important too because you know, not it's not happening in college quite as much because there's so much money with somebody his head coaching positions, so the buyouts are too big. But you know, as far as being a one and done coach, but there's elements of I think for players and families and the frustration of not getting the development they're hoping for, at least at some places like I don't want to speak for everyone because everyone's you know, there's different schools that I think do it right, and I think there's you know, unique circumstances that are involved in some of this always. But for football, for sure, because it's such a developmental sport.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's guys who their bodies changed dramatically.

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Speaker 4: And for basketball, it's a little bit different because there they've always been on the fast track. They identify kids in junior high as you talked about when you're on that AAU circuit and you're one of those dudes like Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 3: People knew about Cooper Flag for forever ago, now.

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Speaker 5: Have you that's everybody and that And that's a great point, and I know we're up on it, but don't you think it now has to start earlier, like we have to like the way we approach athletics has to be looked at differently now. And it's interesting because it's something that I'm working on. I'm actually going to be teaching at Penn State upcoming semester. You have to learn teach.

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Speaker 3: Arrington. You're not going to be you're being Professor Arrington.

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Speaker 5: And part of writing the curriculum too, and you got to move there.

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Speaker 3: What are you doing?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it has to It has to be a coming of uh of terms that extracurricular needs to be thrown out for sports. We've been brainwashed to look at sports as extra curricular. But there's so many opportunities that exist in sports, from agents to money managers, to legal representation, to the athlete themselves, to marketing and branding and advertising. There's so many opportunities that exist in the category. We have to stop segregating, separating athletics from amics. And I think that that's the biggest thing. We have been brainwashed from day one to think that everything else is more important.

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Speaker 3: Go to school, what do you do?

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Speaker 5: You take your classes, and then when you're done with school, then you go do the extracurricular things like playing a sport, the sport that you're playing for. You have to there has to be a understanding that the training, the development, the preparation of how you're how you're being educated at the younger levels has to become I think it has to become more of a focal point. And I know we see these different schools that are like an IMG. You know, you see it at these different places that have the money and the resources to do it. But there has to be a different approach to how we view athletics moving forward as this NIL era continues to grow. Because it's impacting the high school level, it's impacting, it's.

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Speaker 3: Impacting middle school.

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Speaker 5: Like youth athletics is being impacted by the in il and and so to me, there's a preparation that isn't taking place. And to be educated as kids, to be educated as.

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Speaker 3: Parents, as adults. They don't know.

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Speaker 2: When you guys were in high school, do you remember taking a finance class?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I learned how to write checks, I learned how to balance my check work.

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Speaker 3: I learned how to do all those things. But it was it was well standing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the simple stuff.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: There should be something to Hey, you're gonna have a lot of money coming your way at a really young age. Let us teach you what it could be. Now it could be now, like make that part of the requirement if you want. You've got to learn how this works. So at least you've given them the tools. If they don't use it, that's fine, but at least you've given them the opportunity to learn.

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Speaker 4: And and then I think that's part of some of the curriculum. Now, that's that's inherent to every nil program and every school and the college level, you know, as far as high school. It's kind of it's it's tough to do that because you're really talking about like the one point one percent. It's such a small population that falls in this category.

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Speaker 3: I mean even across that.

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Speaker 5: Will go pro, that will go pro, sure, But but the idea of understanding the business of sport, that's everybody. That's that's all, and they should have the opportunity to be educated that way. Somebody that that played with you on the football team could have been a part of your business unit moving forward through school.

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Speaker 3: You know, they could have been the person that.

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Speaker 5: Was making sure that your your branding was was correct. Like what is Brady Brady's brand? We're going to make sure that brand is built and pronounced. What what is he doing financially? Like is he able to generate modeling gigs and stuff like that?

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Speaker 2: He's got the meat wagon, come on whatever?

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Speaker 5: Who but think about it, his best friends are his best friends and they're still buddies from high school.

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Speaker 2: The role doing anything to help this process.

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Speaker 3: There's a role for everybody is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: And if that role is carrying the bags and it might be carrying the bags and meat wagon, your your back. We're people too, bro, I'm with you on that. Don't let them hold you down, man, just be who you are.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just.

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Speaker 5: Saying there is the idea that the educating of what sport represents it should not be looked at as extracurricular. You know, we don't look at you preparing to be a scientist as being extracurricular. We don't look at you being an architect or a lawyer as being extracurricular.

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Speaker 3: So let's look.

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Speaker 5: At something that is a tremendous fabric of what our culture and our society is, which is sports, and make it more of a focal point so that we can actually have prepared parents and student athletes that are more enlightened and understanding what the landscape presents. People don't even know what NIL is. Still to this day, ask some people.

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Speaker 3: About what NIL is. They wouldn't be able to tell you what it is.

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Speaker 5: So educating them at an earlier age get parents on the same page at an earlier age for both those who will continue on to be pros and those who will continue on to be students. I might have been a really really good football player and a basketball player at the high school level. I'm not going to make it at the college level, but I still want to be a part of that sport. You're now giving them opportunities as well. You're opening up the gates to having people be more empowered with the changing landscape of what sports represents.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 5: That's to me, I feel like that's what's grossly missing in America because they don't play that. In Europe, they don't play that. If you are good, they come get you and you're out of there. You're already it's already what it is. But here we don't do that. In fact, we frown on it. If we give if we give benefits and favoritism to elites in athletics, it's frowned upon, and people try to find rules to govern in it and keep them from doing it. I've seen more than enough kids get, you know, suspended for seasons because they wanted to go play out of school where there was better coaching or better exposure or better education.

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Speaker 3: On what it is that they're they're trying to do.

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Speaker 5: There's always a roadblock that we're putting up to try to block the idea of forwarding sports.

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Speaker 3: And I don't understand that that it has to change at this point.

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Speaker 2: Brian Estrich from Learfield on the call. That's your tire Rack play of the day. For over forty years, tire Rack's been helping customers find the right tires for how, what and where they drive. Shipped fast and freedback by free Road, has a protection with convenient installation options like mobile tire installation tire rack dot com the way tire buying should be. So do you remember how when Christian McCaffrey and Leonard Fournette opted out of bowl games and it was like how could they? Like, how could you do that to your teammates? You know, how could you? They're trying to get ready for the draft, and it was just like there was all this criticism that was levy towards them, and then you know, Notre Dame ops out of wanting to play in a bowl game, and they got all sorts of heat about it what you're too good for the bull? Yes, yes, as a matter of fact, yeah, believe it or not, there are certain people in college sports that are better than others like that that it is. I don't want to say beneath them, but yeah, they can get to places and get to where they want to go and not need everything that comes along with every other program or every other player in the sport. And I don't think that you look at And what reminds me of this is years ago, do kind of really down year and they decided to not partake in the n I T and they got a lot of heat for it, and it was like, well, what are too good for the endite? Yes? Yeah, as a matter of fact, we have options. And I feel like there's sort of a bitterness towards players and programs who have options who are bigger than some of these other things that are thrown on their lap and other things that are out there in the world of college sports. And I don't know if you guys see that as well too, but I definitely see it. And I've never had an issue with a player or a team deciding what they want us to do is not in our best interest. Despite whether or not anybody likes it or not.

00:30:34
Speaker 3: I think that's what's a good point.

00:30:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would just say I would say for me, I didn't opt out. And so there's personal personal assessments and then there's sensible assessments. The sensible side of me says, it's your choice. You know, if you're at the point in your career where you're about to go to the pros, I mean you think of who is the young man and that was Dope linebacker for Notre Dame Smith plays and plays in the game, and and Jackson's lag up or McGahee jackes lag up, and those are extreme. Those are extreme cases. But I mean, do you want to risk being one of the extreme cases that could alter what your future is. So I look at it from that perspective and say, if somebody wants to, you know, say listen, I'm going to prepare for the next level. For what it's worth, our regular season is finished, this is the bowl season.

00:31:34
Speaker 3: I'm going to opt out. Like I get that.

00:31:37
Speaker 6: Now.

00:31:37
Speaker 3: It's a little.

00:31:38
Speaker 5: Harder to make that determination with the playoffs because you still have a chance to win the national title. And that would to me not mean that your season is over. But if it's just a regular bowl game, you know, if it is the n I T Tournament and you are a classic blue blood team that generally plays in the regular tournament, I don't I don't see there being an issue you with it. But I do think it's cool. Like Deny, you know, Dennis Deny Sutton. You know, he he played and he bald and I probably butchered his name. I might have messed it up because I got used to calling his name different. But anyway, he balled out, balled out for Penn State because I called him Deny. That's all I call him. But behind did you try to put them all together? Sometimes I put him in the wrong order, But anyway, you know, but Zaye Durant opted out, you know, Zaki Wheatley, he opted out. And I don't feel any differently about them than I do with Dennis playing in the game. So I just think it's a personal deal. Don't get to, like you said, caught up personally into it.

00:32:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, look to that point, there's individual decisions. I think there's teams decisions too. What's interesting to me about this where we're venturing to in college football because you point out that about Duke, and I think it's always kind of existed too for some of the bigger programs that if they do have that down year, if they.

00:33:02
Speaker 3: Don't go to the n I, you know, it's kind of view to so be it.

00:33:06
Speaker 4: Like the transfer portal has changed a lot of that because your roster turnover is so significant, and I think if you look at it from a football perspective nowadays, I mean, if you're not a part of the College Football Playoff, you're probably gonna be losing a good amount of players either to the portal, to their eligibility being up, which maybe is in question nowadays, or you know, to go into the NFL. And if that's the case, you know, are you really putting your brand, your program the best foot forward when you go out and play some of these bowl games.

00:33:37
Speaker 3: Probably not?

00:33:38
Speaker 6: Right.

00:33:38
Speaker 4: I mean, like, do Tennessee losing the Illinois do anything to help their program or the perception of the SEC.

00:33:45
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

00:33:47
Speaker 4: And again I'm not saying that they shouldn't go out there and play because it's another opportunity to go out there and play football.

00:33:51
Speaker 3: It's the greatest game of the world.

00:33:52
Speaker 4: In my opinion, But we also act like this isn't a business and just talking from the NNIL side and how agents talk to these now, that's how it's structured. Like you play your regular season, if you play for a national championship, every single agent that's representing these kids are going to tell you to go out there and play. Now, they might be trying to leverage what you're getting paid to get paid more if you're a team that's part of the playoff. We heard about that story last year with nigo Ia Malaiava and Tennessee before they played Ohio State, they were trying to redo the contract get paid more.

00:34:22
Speaker 3: So that sort of stuff is going on.

00:34:24
Speaker 4: But when you really peeled all back, you know, it doesn't sometimes make as much sense for some of those brands in those schools, you know, but again it's their own individual choice. I don't have a problem with a guy sitting out or even a team at this point only because if they're going to have a lot of moving parts with all of it, then why not focus on what is to be that next season and everyone, especially for teams that have guys coming back. I mean, let's say, for example, last night, Jade Mayava got hurt that I was going to impact his ability to start the following year. Does that make that game worth it for sc especially in hindsight losing the way you did.

00:35:01
Speaker 3: Probably not.

00:35:02
Speaker 4: And so I just that whole question of these exhibition games, these additional bowl games, then their existence, like it's it's gonna come to the forefront here soon.

00:35:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a I don't know. I look at it and I go, there's a lot of people speaking on behalf of choices being made that have nothing to do with them. I literally have nothing to do with them, does not does not impact them, does not benefit them. Like you mentioned Jalen smith Man, remember Jake, But Jake Butt was thought to be like a really top prospect in the NFL tight end. He got it, he got his leg ripped up in a Bowl game. Like it's just like, so you want them to just risk it so that you could, you know, seeing what dump cheese. It's on their head like everybody else is doing it. Why can't you do it? Okay, Well, I don't know, because I've got to fifty.

00:35:49
Speaker 3: That's the reality if you really peel back that.

00:35:52
Speaker 4: The business model is most of these ball games, these exhibition ball games are owned by ESPN.

00:35:58
Speaker 3: If there was forty of them, about half I.

00:35:59
Speaker 4: Think sold off some of them and some are obviously owned by others, But when you really look at it, most of them are owned by ESPN, so it's kind of their own creation. It's part of their business model for this time of year because their ratings for these bull games are typically higher than many of these teams usually you know face like I guarantee you Coastal Carolina and Louis Gonna Tech yesterday probably rated higher than any of their other games this season because it was on in a spot where it was a standalone nothing's up against him, and people are dying for some sort of sports. There's gambos who want to bet, so that's all part of you know, their model to make money off it. So there's no one gets more upset about it than ESPN when a team opts out there not part.

00:36:39
Speaker 3: Of their you know, postseason business model.

00:36:42
Speaker 4: But does it make sense for anyone else you know that that's involved in the process, the coaches, the players, maybe not. I mean again, like this is not a part of them getting paid additionally, and that's a conversation we have to start.

00:36:56
Speaker 3: Having that that's the bigger conversation, you.

00:36:58
Speaker 4: Know, like like we're not getting like bowl game bonuses for these players if they get in the playoff. Maybe is structured in there, but like we're not to that point yet. We don't have a CBA for the players. There's not a union that's you know, collective, collectively bargaining against whatever power structure is created.

00:37:16
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00:38:20
Speaker 6: And you know.

00:38:20
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of great guests in the year twenty twenty five on the Dan Patrick Show, but it's all time for the main event. It all leads up to this, the final guest of the Dan Patrick Show, the main event for twenty twenty five. Then Petro's Papadakis, let's go co host of the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on the Blowtorch AM five to seven e LA Sports Fox College football analysts get him on X at the Old p and he is our good buddy, Petros. Happy New Year to you and yours.

00:38:54
Speaker 6: Happy New Year?

00:38:56
Speaker 2: Where you at?

00:38:57
Speaker 6: He? Oh it goes, what do I not sound good?

00:39:01
Speaker 2: No, you're sound great.

00:39:03
Speaker 3: You don't sound like you normally sound.

00:39:04
Speaker 6: Though, no no, I explained that I'm on vacation. I'm actually in the desert here in a Rancho mirage right now. I'm actually in the Palm Desert area because I'm driving to yoga. So I'm very happy to be joining you guys and happy New Year. And I have been listening to the show while you guys have been doing your excellent work the last few days.

00:39:31
Speaker 3: Oh wow, thanks thanks Peving. I got to ask you after last night's outcome, an I'll live that any thoughts.

00:39:44
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, my father asked me at halftime while I was at dinner with my family and my daughter was throwing a fit because it was Baja Tuesday at the club and they didn't have any other food available other than Mexican food, which I guess she doesn't like, because she was very upset and it was a struggle. And my dad asked me at halftime what I think was going to happen? What I thought was going to happen in the game, And I told him that I thought it was going to be a back and forth event all the way down the stretch, even though USC was playing against a walk on quarterback. I know they had a few guys opting out as well, but that was a walk on cornerback, and he led TCU to victory over USC with their all world quarterback by Allah, and obviously the tackling in the fourth corner of the inability to end the game on offense and hold on to the ball and run the ball when you need to run the ball. I mean, you guys saw the same thing. You guys watch USC all the time. It's the same old story. An unorganized team, a special teams penalty. I talked to Daniel Teremiah. He made the point on Twitter that they're best receiver. The only guy that was baking plays was not in on the third down and overtime, wasn't even in the game, and they had a giant noseguard like a three hundred and fifty pound guy with a three man rush on third and twenty who doesn't need to be on. I mean, just disorganize, overall uninspiring mediocrity, which you've come to expect from the Lincoln Riley USC teams, SEEZ.

00:41:31
Speaker 3: So where do they go from here? Then?

00:41:33
Speaker 5: Then Petro's I mean, obviously we've we've been having extended conversations about the whole doing away with the rivalry game between those TEAMEN and USC. Then you see a game like this take place with USC, and like, how does that, I mean, does that have any bearing on the conversation like where you go from here? Like are people going to pony up money and say, Okay, we want to go in a different direction? Then what's going on with what we got going on now? Or do you stay right in the same space that you're in because maybe it's not affordable or fiscally sound to try to move into a different a different place in your you know, in your school's history.

00:42:13
Speaker 6: Big go. I think if Brady made the point the other day, I think if USC really had the money, they would buy out Lincoln Riley and stop trying to convince themselves that they're with somebody that's really special as the head coach and allow that guy to manipulate the schedule the way he has and to basically embrace mediocrity. And I realized the USC teams I played on were mediocre and maybe even less than that, But we didn't embrace mediocrety. We went and played the schedule and thought of ourselves as a high standard football team where the bar is very high at a place, and our coaches got fired when we didn't win. And I don't really know where they go from here, Levarn To be honest, I think they kind of think further into mediocrity. We haven't seen any other evidence. They occasionally will win a big game that gives the fans a little bit of hope, but they always seem to regrets to the mean, which is what you've seen from Lincoln Riley over the years.

00:43:26
Speaker 2: Is this the I don't know. I don't know if beginning of the end is the right term for it. But if you know the manipulation of the schedules, you you know, have an easier schedule and you're not having to deal with you know, Notre Dame any longer. And then him coming out and placing blame on Notre Dame if they go into next year and they're not a playoff team again, like does did this? Maybe fast track the conversation about ar Well, maybe he's not the guy. Maybe we do need to make some changes and move forward in a different direction.

00:43:57
Speaker 6: Well, when they lost a bunch of games in Caleb Williams was the quarterback in year two, that was probably the biggest red flag and then it just kind of dissipated from there, and I got to say the stuff I saw on Twitter where you guys were talking about it, and Brady made his points about the Big ten and Lincoln Riley. Oh wait, there's an ambulance going by. There's a lot of ambulances in the desert. One of these days I'll be in one. There's a lot of old people out here.

00:44:33
Speaker 3: Somebody on their way to the outer beyond. Huh.

00:44:36
Speaker 6: I don't know. It seems to I think it's going to pick somebody up. It's going to have to turn around and go to the Eisenhower Metal. You know that. I've visited family members at the Betty Ford that's out here, and you would never know where the Betty Ford is. It has such a little sign, you know, the very famous Betty Ford rehab m And I haven't.

00:45:02
Speaker 3: Heard of it until today. I was today years old when I heard of it, But now no Betty.

00:45:05
Speaker 6: FOURD clink Jonas, have you ever heard of Benny of course?

00:45:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Betty Ford Clinic.

00:45:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been there. It's a visitor.

00:45:13
Speaker 2: It's filled with quitters, not a fan.

00:45:15
Speaker 6: Well, it's like one hundred and twenty degrees and people are wearing sweatshirts and shiver and smoking cigarettes outside. Crazy Anyway, I couldn't have said it any better than the way Brady spoke about the pr campaign that USC has tried to launch and used a couple of their key figures of social media to help do so, and trying to pile on the whole Notre Dame thing and find a way to wriggle out of this just because they have a head coach who has been as disappointing and much more expensive than Clay Helton that doesn't want to play Notre Dame. They've allowed this to dissipate and I cannot believe it again. I walk around just in shock of how this situation deteriorated to the point where we're going to have USC football players in the next two years probably beyond that that are not going to be able to take the field against Notre Dame. And I don't care about Mexico City or that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You play in South Bend and you plan the coliseum, that's what the rivalry is about. So I am disgusted. I'm absolutely disgusted. I know that I didn't win a Heisman, or really wasn't even that great of a back or whatever. But I've had a long time radio show and voice or whatever doing this job, and I've never been so shocked and disappointed in the outcome of the situation in my life. It's an absolute travesty what's happening at us, And I think it's pretty obvious to most people. Wow.

00:47:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I want to kind of talk more big picture. I mean I would just quickly say this. I mean, look, I was someone who dr Meyer there, I mean, didn't beat Ess and I think to think that, regardless of the outcome of the game, just not to have the opportunity to play in such a game. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I hate the fact that Notre Name is to play Michigan anymore. That game meant as much to me as any because I almost went to Michigan. You know, that was one of my final schools I looked at. And so even that rivalry going away, which I know it's coming back in the future for Notre Dame, but I hated seeing that.

00:47:36
Speaker 3: So so all of these going away.

00:47:38
Speaker 4: It's it's unfortunate because to your point, you know, you don't have the opportunity as a player to compete in it, to have the feeling that that game feels because they do it does feel different, and to create a legacy off that. I think that's the thing that bothers me the most is when you've got guys who've won a Heisman or guys who jerseys are retired, who pander to the idea of not playing that game when their legacy he's built off of it. That's what probably bothers me the most is it sounds selfish like they don't want the other players who follow them to have that same opportunity. But we talked about this early and I don't know if you heard us talking about the comments from John Kyler party and really in relation to college basketball, But when you look at what's happening and guys who have gotten drafted in the NBA and have played in professional leagues in Europe all that, I think in college basketball it might be more egregious with what's happening than even college football, which has its own issues. Do you kind of look at this and just say, like this entire thing is messed up, like someone has to intervene to fix it. Otherwise we're headed down a road where I don't think it's good for any of the young people that are involved.

00:48:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, the ball kind of started rolling down the hill with nil, and we all had nixed feelings about it because one of the great things about a college locker room is there's not a number next to half everybody's name. Well, you got a guy like LeVar Arrington whose locker is next to you, you might recognize that he's a little different from you. But at the same time, that was one of the magical things about college football. But we also wanted to see the money. We've seen a lot of money being generated over the years, and we wanted to see that money go to some of the guys that are at risk and the guys that are generating in the guys whose jerseys they're selling. So all of that kind of sort of happened simultaneously with the television contracts becoming gigantic and the television companies starting to take control of where the NCAA probably used to be, kind of jumping into that power vacuum, and the transfer portal, of course, became a big part of this, and a lot of these programs have just absolutely become not as recognizable. I mean, look at Indiana, sometimes in a good way, but I think the ball started rolling as a pebble down a hill, and now, yeah, we're headed. We're headed in an unsustainable direction, I guess I would say, is where we're going when you have a guy like Kenny Dillingham, who's a great coach and a very charismatic guy, and hey, you just need to stroke a check as if it's some kind of a you know, twenty million dollar check. Just there's somebody here in Arizona to stroke a check for us for twenty million dollars. And the one thing they don't tell you is, okay, twenty million dollars. Is he going to do it again next year? Is he going to do it again in twenty twenty seven, Is he going to do it again in twenty thirty or she? I mean, it's it's just not a sustainable situation. And none of us want to look at what's underneath the iceberg because everybody on the TV side and at the universities is making a lot of money, and the players are making money where they never made money before. So people are happy with the money in their pocket and I think they're turning a blind eye to the direction we're hitting it, which is off a cliff.

00:51:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, where did the impact the way?

00:51:17
Speaker 3: Good? John?

00:51:18
Speaker 2: No, I was just going to where does the term stroke a check? Where does that land for you? As far as amongst your favorite used by a coach in recent memory, my favorite.

00:51:28
Speaker 6: Thing that a coach ever said to me was an air raid coach sadly on the bron side of an air raid team that had Pat Mahomes as the quarterback. So in Texas Tech, they had a defensive coordinator and he said to and they were losing, you know, half their games, scoring fifty points a game and giving up fifty one. And the defensive coordinator was very sad, and he said, all we need is three stops, and we can't get him.

00:52:04
Speaker 3: You gotta start with one before you can get dound like he.

00:52:08
Speaker 6: Had something like to win, all we need is three stops.

00:52:13
Speaker 4: Ever, Weekend get I think I know which coach you're referred to as well, which if it's if it's who, I think it was one of the all time great production meeting interviews.

00:52:25
Speaker 3: Ever, is he not the best?

00:52:28
Speaker 6: He's up there with the UTSA guy that trailer is pretty epically all we need. Yeah, he's great, All we need is three stops and we can't get him. I would say is still number one. Uh, stroke a check is top fan though, because just how asinine. Hey, all you gotta do is you know somebody out here is going to stroke a check for twenty million dollars. How much do you even make in a year? Canny like twenty million dollars.

00:53:00
Speaker 3: A few coins? It's absurd. Does this does this impact the way?

00:53:06
Speaker 5: Does this impact the way you're going to watch this year's Are you going to watch this year's college football playoffs? And how does it like, how does all of this conversation that we're talking about does it impact you at all? Or do you not even give a down while you're watching the game? Like do you just enjoy the game? Sometime I find it hard to enjoy just watching a game because we talk about so many things that are connected to it.

00:53:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, Uh, you know, it kind of made the season crappy in a way because and it's not your fault, LeVar, but the biggest story of the season was was started with James Franklin, Right, So I get it, I hear you. You know, when he gets fired, we stop talking about the field and we started talking about the coaching carousel, and you know then that bleeds into Notre Dame versus Miami versus Uh versus USC. I mean, we've had you know, when we have the games, we talk all this stupid crap because the sport is so messed up all year round, and then when we finally have the games, we still are too distracted by the off the field stuff to really appreciate the teams in the playoffs. That being said, the transfer portal makes it kind of hard to know who's on what team. You know, we used to watch these guys like you and Brady, you know, Carson Palmer play year in and year out and develop as their career went on. And we don't really have that luxury anymore. The coaches that retain people and that's a new college football word, but the coaches that retain people seem to be the ones that have moost success if they have a healthy program. But no, I mean I watch because I have to watch, and because I have to talk about it. I don't really have anything else to do, and I enjoy Look, I enjoyed the your games just because if you know somebody playing, or you're familiar with somebody, then it's enjoyable to watch. And I enjoyed the bigger games too. Sometimes I have to mute the announcers a lot of the time, but other than that, I watch it with a relatively enthusiastic eye.

00:55:22
Speaker 2: I would say, is there anything about college football, Petros before we let you go that you wish got more attention that was talked about, more so than some of the negative stuff that people tend to focus on.

00:55:36
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I've always said this, and I can't really think of anything off the top of my head other than that tactus at Arizona where they stick the football on it, you know when they get a turnover. That's pretty good. I don't think we talk enough. I don't think we talk enough about that.

00:55:54
Speaker 3: The celebrations, yeah, I like it, Yeah, but.

00:55:57
Speaker 6: I think they actually take your football if they pick it off, like they stick your ball, and then pay you the sixty bucks or whatever it is, you know after the game.

00:56:10
Speaker 3: Pretty fires like that.

00:56:14
Speaker 6: That is my That's a pure speculation, but I think it should be talked about more.

00:56:21
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:56:23
Speaker 6: But the other thing I would say is college football has always been this way, And I've always described it this way. It's a big cauldron of a lot of things. A lot of people of great character and a lot of the opposite of that, and a lot of people with the right agenda to help others and to be a servant to others, and then a lot of people that are servants to themselves and themselves only. And I've always said that the sport, my father has always said that the sport doesn't create virtue, but it reveals it out on the field when you when you watch. There's inspiring things to see on every play. There really is, So I mean, I think that's the part of it that we might have lost a little bit in these conversations. But then again, in the modern era you get the Arizona turnover cactus.

00:57:15
Speaker 4: So it's all U petros last one for me, the most overrated holiday.

00:57:21
Speaker 3: On the calendar.

00:57:24
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I don't like New Year's Eve because I don't like a day where you know, the finger is pointed at you and you're expected to have a good time, you know what I mean. Like, I don't like that, like where you're told like you better have a good time or you suck you know like that, you know, you know, yeah, I.

00:57:47
Speaker 4: Think when it's all centered around that, yeah, that's that makes it like if you didn't have a good New Year, you stink.

00:57:53
Speaker 3: You See, you're.

00:57:54
Speaker 6: Young and you have like a girlfriend and you're expected to do something with her and it takes her to some party or something. Yeah, New Year's Eve. I have a problem.

00:58:03
Speaker 3: Thang, isn't that every holiday though? That isn't that why they manufact money most of them?

00:58:10
Speaker 5: Even birthday? You only get one birthday, you know what I mean? Petro's like I was born once. You don't have to keep saying it every year, Like, don't you don't have to get people stuff like.

00:58:19
Speaker 3: Your birthday is your birthday?

00:58:20
Speaker 5: You were birthed once? Like okay, like happy birthday. Like there you go, like, let's let's move on. There's other things to deal with, you know. But that's me. I just feel like everything is forced to create you having to spend money, and when you make money, you start to realize how much your money is spent by other people. That anyway, I'm ranting, but go ahead, I'm sorry.

00:58:42
Speaker 3: New Year's Happy New Year, Yeah, happy New Year.

00:58:47
Speaker 5: I imagine you could just spend a going into the next year, just hanging out.

00:58:51
Speaker 3: You know, Petro, you.

00:58:52
Speaker 4: Know what about your New Year's resolution, because I'm sure you're really excited about the audience to do you.

00:58:57
Speaker 3: Have one for us down Well?

00:59:00
Speaker 6: I think generally, I'm like everybody else where. I just you know, I hope to be able to control myself a little better in the new year. That's all. M control the things I say, control being present when you're amongst people, like not being distracted by something else so that person actually thinks that, you know, you're really there in the moment.

00:59:25
Speaker 3: I got the Fox Seminar.

00:59:27
Speaker 6: Yes, even at the Fox Seminar live at the moment and capture eternity.

00:59:35
Speaker 2: There you go, Uh, Petros, we appreciate it and thanks for thanks for doing it. We know you're you're on vacation and enjoy the desert, enjoy yoga, and happy New Year to you and the fam again, thank you.

00:59:47
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go hump a cactus.

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