Van Halen vs. Van Hagar (Part 1) Was VH better with David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, the next three weeks are going to be Van
<v Speaker 1>Halen episodes, and it's going to be Van Halen versus
<v Speaker 1>Van Hagar. But our first episode, in the words of
<v Speaker 1>my friend Jason, is going to be about the birth
<v Speaker 1>of the band.
<v Speaker 5>That's right.
<v Speaker 4>That's right. So part two that's going to be the
<v Speaker 4>rise and fall of Daily.
<v Speaker 1>Roth, right, and then Part three will be Van Hagar,
<v Speaker 1>where we hear about Sammy and his stint with the band,
<v Speaker 1>and then we finish up with our final judgment.
<v Speaker 5>That's right.
<v Speaker 4>Well, hope you'll stick around for these three episodes. One
<v Speaker 4>of the big debates in the nineteen eighties. I'm super
<v Speaker 4>excited to dive into this one.
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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely You Can't
<v Speaker 5>Be Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the
<v Speaker 5>forgotten of eighties and nineties pop culture.
<v Speaker 1>With your co hosts James D.
<v Speaker 4>Graves and Jason Colban.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, Jason, what's up?
<v Speaker 4>How's going man?
<v Speaker 1>I'll run a little bit hot tonight.
<v Speaker 4>I don't feel tardy.
<v Speaker 1>How exciting. I love that we're going to talk about
<v Speaker 1>the van Halen van Hagar dispute today. And I love
<v Speaker 1>that you really like van Hagar because I really like
<v Speaker 1>van Halen.
<v Speaker 4>I like them both. But this is a very interesting
<v Speaker 4>argument to get into because this is a definite line
<v Speaker 4>in the sand. There's different people on both sides of
<v Speaker 4>this argument, but it's one of the biggest arguments of
<v Speaker 4>the nineteen eighty that we're going to talk.
<v Speaker 1>About absolutely, and you know, the band has come full
<v Speaker 1>circle now. They lost Sammy Hagar. They had that weird
<v Speaker 1>brief moment with Gary Scharon, which I mean it was
<v Speaker 1>like a three year thing. It was, yeah, but not
<v Speaker 1>their best move. And now they're full circle back to
<v Speaker 1>David Lee Roth for the last few years as well.
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Twitter, and that's Shirley su R E L Y,
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<v Speaker 1>call me Shirley.
<v Speaker 4>Don't call me.
<v Speaker 1>I don't call me Shirley. Today we're going to talk
<v Speaker 1>about Van Halen and Van Hagarth.
<v Speaker 4>And the birth of the vand Van Halen and how
<v Speaker 4>it changed and changed back.
<v Speaker 1>And changed and changed back again.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 4>I guess we did kind of talk about that. Yeah, sorry,
<v Speaker 4>I didn't mean this stuff.
<v Speaker 1>That's right. That's the beauty of editing.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 1>The Van Halen Boys are born in nineteen fifty.
<v Speaker 4>Fifty three Alex fifty five for Reddy.
<v Speaker 1>And so they're born in Amsterdam. Their father is a musician.
<v Speaker 1>He is a big band player. But this is the
<v Speaker 1>early in mid nineteen fifties, which means that music is changing.
<v Speaker 1>Elvis and Chuck Berry have come out and rock and
<v Speaker 1>roll is the thing, and big bands are out. They
<v Speaker 1>decide we're not going to stay here anymore. We're going
<v Speaker 1>to pack up and chase the American dream.
<v Speaker 4>Moved to Beverlee Hills that is, yes, slash Pasadena, Yes.
<v Speaker 1>Close enough, right right, And so they take their two
<v Speaker 1>young boys. In nineteen sixty two, it's nineteen sixty two,
<v Speaker 1>they get on a large boat to trans the Atlantic
<v Speaker 1>and to help pay the way, the dad Yon plays
<v Speaker 1>music with the band, and then after a few nights
<v Speaker 1>they the boys, who had been classically trained in piano
<v Speaker 1>at that point very young, but could play the piano well.
<v Speaker 1>They had them get up in between sets, and then
<v Speaker 1>the next night they were sitting at the captain's table.
<v Speaker 1>Because the star little boys won everyone's hearts, and so
<v Speaker 1>they became the star of the show. I think at
<v Speaker 1>that point the seed was planted and they were ready
<v Speaker 1>to be stage musicians for the rest of their lives.
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't take very long to figure out there are
<v Speaker 4>benefits to being the performing all right.
<v Speaker 1>So they make the journey in nine days over to
<v Speaker 1>the United States. They moved Pasadena, California, as we said,
<v Speaker 1>and when they arrive, they don't know any English. They
<v Speaker 1>know two they know two English words.
<v Speaker 4>That's right. Alex says that he when they came over
<v Speaker 4>they knew two English words. One was yes and the
<v Speaker 4>other was accident.
<v Speaker 1>Accident, which apparently was just the first word in the
<v Speaker 1>book that their mom was trying to teach them English from.
<v Speaker 4>They actually Alex is encouraged to pick up the guitar.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they buy him a electric guitar, silver tone, and
<v Speaker 1>Eddie decides that he's going to go out. He enjoys
<v Speaker 1>the drums. They came over in nineteen sixty two, and
<v Speaker 1>then nineteen sixty four, of course, is when you have
<v Speaker 1>the British invasion, and so they are introduced to the
<v Speaker 1>rock and roll of the Beatles and of the day
<v Speaker 1>of Clark five and Dave Clark five is the drummer
<v Speaker 1>who Eddie wanted to be. He wanted to go and
<v Speaker 1>play drums like that guy, and so he got himself
<v Speaker 1>a paper route. He worked hard, just like you would
<v Speaker 1>in the movies, and saved up Paul his money and
<v Speaker 1>got himself a drum set. And then while he was
<v Speaker 1>away on his paper route, Alex would go and pound
<v Speaker 1>on those drums.
<v Speaker 4>While he was working hard to pay for the drums,
<v Speaker 4>his brother was learning the drums.
<v Speaker 1>Right, and he was actually quite skilled at it. And
<v Speaker 1>when Eddie realized what was going on, you know, I
<v Speaker 1>can imagine the challenge kind of like out of step brothers.
<v Speaker 3>Hey man, did you touch my drum set?
<v Speaker 4>Nope, because it's just weird because seems like someone definitely
<v Speaker 4>touched my drum set.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is weird because I didn't touch them. And
<v Speaker 1>then it was you know, you're better than me, so
<v Speaker 1>the heck with it. I'll just play your dang guitar.
<v Speaker 1>First band that they had was the.
<v Speaker 4>First band that they had was called the Broken Combs.
<v Speaker 1>It sound like a junior high name to you, it
<v Speaker 1>does sound like a junior high name. And then a
<v Speaker 1>little more sophomore. They played with a guy for a
<v Speaker 1>while who was playing bass for him, and then his
<v Speaker 1>dad got a job as a preacher about three hundred
<v Speaker 1>miles away so they're out their basis, they're out their
<v Speaker 1>place to practice. They had to find a new basis,
<v Speaker 1>which they did, and his name was his name is
<v Speaker 1>Mark Stone, And so they actually had another band that
<v Speaker 1>they called the Trojan Rubber Factory. But they kept playing
<v Speaker 1>hard and they were hard working musicians. They would pound
<v Speaker 1>the pavement, they would put up posters everywhere to let
<v Speaker 1>everybody know what they were doing. And they were obsessed
<v Speaker 1>with the band. And at this time, Eddie is the
<v Speaker 1>one that's doing all the lead singing.
<v Speaker 4>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>And they are going to parties. They're usually like backyard parties,
<v Speaker 1>which was pretty popular back in the day. Not only
<v Speaker 1>would they go out and invite everyone that they could
<v Speaker 1>at the party, their music was really, really loud, and
<v Speaker 1>so frequently it wasn't just a question of if the
<v Speaker 1>cops would show up, It would be when are the
<v Speaker 1>cops going to show up? And at one point the
<v Speaker 1>cops showed up and said, you guys are so loud,
<v Speaker 1>we were looking for you four blocks away. At the
<v Speaker 1>same time, young David Lee Roth, who was born in Indiana,
<v Speaker 1>had some experiences in New York City with his uncle
<v Speaker 1>getting to go to some of the clubs there in
<v Speaker 1>New York City, got to see Bob Dylan and Jimmy Hendrixon.
<v Speaker 1>Definitely caught the bug at that point and new that
<v Speaker 1>was the type of lifestyle, the New York City lifestyle
<v Speaker 1>and the stage lifestyle that he wanted to be a
<v Speaker 1>part of. But as it turns out, he wasn't really
<v Speaker 1>into rock and roll so much as the other guys were.
<v Speaker 1>He like listening to kind of the swing and some
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff that you most of the kids those
<v Speaker 1>days just weren't listening to.
<v Speaker 4>I heard Eddie talk that Dave actually very much enjoyed disco.
<v Speaker 1>And we'll see later on when he comes into the band,
<v Speaker 1>he really kind of brings that element which then helps
<v Speaker 1>them come into the public eye. So also in born
<v Speaker 1>in Chicago around the same time as these guys is
<v Speaker 1>Michael Anthony and his family has moved to Pasadena as well.
<v Speaker 1>He started a band. He's playing bass and singing for
<v Speaker 1>the band as well. So these guys are all doing
<v Speaker 1>their own thing around each other. Michael Anthony's band is
<v Speaker 1>called Snake and David Lee Roth's band is.
<v Speaker 4>Called Red Ball Jets.
<v Speaker 1>Red Ball Jets alright, And so the guys have Mark
<v Speaker 1>Stone Eddie is singing, and Alex is telling Eddie, you're
<v Speaker 1>really not carrying it as a singer. Nobody would ever
<v Speaker 1>question your abilities as a guitarist, but we need to
<v Speaker 1>find another singer. And as it turned out, they had
<v Speaker 1>to rent their PA system, and so they would pay
<v Speaker 1>somebody ten bucks per show to go rent the system,
<v Speaker 1>and one of the guys they were renting from.
<v Speaker 4>Was this kid named Davie Ruff.
<v Speaker 1>And so after a while Alex just said, you know,
<v Speaker 1>we need a lead singer, and we need his PA system.
<v Speaker 1>Might as well get two birds with one Stone here
<v Speaker 1>and just have him join the band and be her
<v Speaker 1>lead singer.
<v Speaker 4>In a matter of ten dollars, they land one of
<v Speaker 4>the greatest frontmen of any rock band of all time.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's incredible. Yeah, there are very few lead guys,
<v Speaker 1>lead singers that stand out as performers, the guys that
<v Speaker 1>ring the live show to life. And there's no question
<v Speaker 1>that David Lee Roth is one of those guys, no doubt. Now,
<v Speaker 1>at that time they still had Mark Stone as a basis.
<v Speaker 1>But Mark Stone was an honor student, straight a student,
<v Speaker 1>and the boys felt like he wasn't he didn't have
<v Speaker 1>his priorities in the right place.
<v Speaker 4>No, he's too busy making grades. And his dad came
<v Speaker 4>to him and said, you.
<v Speaker 1>Need to go to school. Go to school, right, No,
<v Speaker 1>dad is going to say you need to choose joining
<v Speaker 1>some silly rock and roll band with a guy who
<v Speaker 1>wears skin tight buttler's pants. And so they go. The
<v Speaker 1>boys actually go to mark Stone and say listen, we
<v Speaker 1>just we don't think that you're committed like you need
<v Speaker 1>to be. And they let him go.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh, by the way, we're going to become one
<v Speaker 4>of the greatest rock bands of all time.
<v Speaker 1>See you later, Sorry about that. So they they they
<v Speaker 1>as I said, they're all performing in similar stages, and
<v Speaker 1>at one point that PA system that had brought them
<v Speaker 1>together with David Roth goes out and they're stuck at
<v Speaker 1>the show with no PA, And as it happens, Snake
<v Speaker 1>is performing at the show and Michael Anthony's like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>you can use our PA, no problem, And within just
<v Speaker 1>a few days they're calling him up and saying, hey,
<v Speaker 1>would you like to come be the bass player for
<v Speaker 1>our band.
<v Speaker 4>We'll get into a little bit later, but his voice
<v Speaker 4>actually provides many of the harmonies that I mean, it's so.
<v Speaker 1>Important, unquestionable that van Halen does not sound like van
<v Speaker 1>Halen without Michael Anthony providing these backup vocals. That high
<v Speaker 1>pitched tenor that he has is amazing. So we've gone
<v Speaker 1>we go through a few band names. Here, we hit
<v Speaker 1>with the Broken Combs. We had the Trojan Rubber Factory.
<v Speaker 1>They were called they called themselves Genesis for a while
<v Speaker 1>and then they're like, oh wait, there's a really successful
<v Speaker 1>band out of England that everybody knows now called Genesis.
<v Speaker 1>So they had to give that one up as well.
<v Speaker 1>That's right where Mammoth for a bit, and then David
<v Speaker 1>Lee Roth was like, you know what, van Halen sounds
<v Speaker 1>cool and it's your name. Let's make the man, let's
<v Speaker 1>make the band name idea. Absolutely yeah, really cool. I
<v Speaker 1>get him, and so they become van Halen. Then Michael
<v Speaker 1>Anthony joins and they are off and run. Once they
<v Speaker 1>had gained that big following, they finally landed a gig
<v Speaker 1>as kind of the house band for a place called Gazari's.
<v Speaker 4>That's right, that's in.
<v Speaker 1>And oddly, from time to time Bill Gazari would come
<v Speaker 1>up to David and say, hey, Van, you guys did
<v Speaker 1>last night a couple extra bucks? I guess he thought
<v Speaker 1>he was like Van Morrison or something, so that's awesome.
<v Speaker 1>The thing about that that we need to keep in
<v Speaker 1>mind about both our and Eddie is that they were
<v Speaker 1>they're classically trained, and that translated into their music. The
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing about the classic training that Eddie had is
<v Speaker 1>that he never ever learned to read music, which, given
<v Speaker 1>his capacity with both keyboards and with guitar and several
<v Speaker 1>other instrums, is an amazing Yeah. That means that he
<v Speaker 1>can't read it. He's able to do what he does
<v Speaker 1>just from listening to it. And not only that, he
<v Speaker 1>fooled his music teacher at the time into believing that
<v Speaker 1>he could read music. It was five years before the
<v Speaker 1>music teacher was performing a new piece of music for
<v Speaker 1>him and told him he needed him to turn the
<v Speaker 1>pages for him, and.
<v Speaker 4>He was like he was lost.
<v Speaker 1>He was lost. He was just like, what do you
<v Speaker 1>why don't you turn the pages? Like I don't have
<v Speaker 1>any idea where you are right now. And this I
<v Speaker 1>had a piano teacher when I was a kid, and
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, I could not have liked I said like
<v Speaker 1>he did. I just it was painful for me to
<v Speaker 1>go to those music lessons. She was probably one hundred
<v Speaker 1>and seventy five years old, had translucent skin. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I just remember missus Mackie. I got to rest her soul.
<v Speaker 4>As Mackie had call in the podcast, we want to
<v Speaker 4>hear from.
<v Speaker 1>You, right and say hello to Jesus for us.
<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, just so everybody knows you are a guitar
<v Speaker 4>player and I am not.
<v Speaker 1>Well. I love talking about some of the things that
<v Speaker 1>have gone on with the guitar. And Eddie was obviously
<v Speaker 1>an inspiration to be playing guitar in the first place.
<v Speaker 4>He had a special guitar.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I had a special guitar. So here's something
<v Speaker 1>here's something that many people don't know about Eddie, which
<v Speaker 1>is just absolutely amazing. The man was an inventor. He wasn't.
<v Speaker 1>He didn't just redefine the way that you play the guitar.
<v Speaker 1>He created his own guitar. The guitars at the time,
<v Speaker 1>the two primary guitars that anybody was going to use
<v Speaker 1>were Gibson Less Paul and a Fender Stratocaster. And Eddie
<v Speaker 1>loved the whammy bar on the Fender stratocaster because you
<v Speaker 1>could you could change the tone of the notes, you
<v Speaker 1>could do different sounds with that whammy bar, but it
<v Speaker 1>only had a single coil pickup, which means that it
<v Speaker 1>would have these high pitch kind of twangy things that
<v Speaker 1>would happen when you turned it up. Now, the less
<v Speaker 1>Paul had these hum they called him humbucking pickups, which
<v Speaker 1>means they bucked the hum. They didn't the hum wasn't
<v Speaker 1>there for him. And so what Eddie did was he
<v Speaker 1>decided I'm just going to make my own guitar and
<v Speaker 1>he goes to a parts, a guitar parts store and
<v Speaker 1>says I need a body and I need a neck,
<v Speaker 1>and the guy's like, well, you don't want that body
<v Speaker 1>because it's a second and Eddie's like, I don't know
<v Speaker 1>what that means.
<v Speaker 4>Second?
<v Speaker 1>What second? The second up? Okay, that's good, I'll take
<v Speaker 1>that one. Then, not realizing that it meant it was
<v Speaker 1>like naughty and not goodwood and horrible sound would come
<v Speaker 1>out of it. But it didn't matter because what he
<v Speaker 1>was about to do didn't. It changed, It corrected all
<v Speaker 1>of those problems. So he takes that guitar body home
<v Speaker 1>and he starts chiseling out the wood to put the
<v Speaker 1>humbucking pickups inside of the fender. Style body so that
<v Speaker 1>he can have his have his humbucking pickups and his
<v Speaker 1>whammy bar, and the result is a guitar that doesn't
<v Speaker 1>sound like any other guitar. It has corrected the hum
<v Speaker 1>problem with the fender, still has the whammy bar that
<v Speaker 1>he can use. And then he had other issues with feedback,
<v Speaker 1>and who knows why he decided to do this. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what caused it in his brain, but he
<v Speaker 1>decided to take the pickups. He's thinking maybe those little
<v Speaker 1>wire coils or what's causing all the feedback they're vibrating
<v Speaker 1>in there. And he's got a coffee can and some
<v Speaker 1>paraffin wax melted the paraffin wax, stuck the pickup inside
<v Speaker 1>of it and just kind of waited until the plastics
<v Speaker 1>started to melt and yanked it out of there, and
<v Speaker 1>the paraffin wax then sealed all those coils so that
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have the feedback. And so once again he's
<v Speaker 1>created something new that nobody at the time was doing,
<v Speaker 1>but now is a standard practice of the industry. And
<v Speaker 1>so he's now has a guitar that he can crank
<v Speaker 1>all the way up, doesn't have all of the sound problems.
<v Speaker 1>That he had before, and he's super excited. He's working
<v Speaker 1>at a music store and they get in a Marshal.
<v Speaker 1>Now he's had his little, his brother's little silver tone,
<v Speaker 1>which you're not going to get any real sound out
<v Speaker 1>of that, but the Marshal was like the gold standard,
<v Speaker 1>and so he worked for the rest of the summer
<v Speaker 1>to buy this Marshal and he plugged it in and
<v Speaker 1>turned it all the way up, and it sounded awesome
<v Speaker 1>and really really loud, really loud, like I can imagine
<v Speaker 1>you know.
<v Speaker 3>Hube lewis right, I'm afraid you just out.
<v Speaker 1>So he couldn't get the sound that he wanted out
<v Speaker 1>of this thing because he had to turn it up
<v Speaker 1>all the way to get the right sound. And then
<v Speaker 1>oddly comes across this classified ad selling a different Marshal,
<v Speaker 1>and so he's like, maybe this one will be better.
<v Speaker 1>He buys that Marshal, he plugs it in, he plugs
<v Speaker 1>the guitar in, and it doesn't play, and he walks
<v Speaker 1>away and he leaves it open, it leaves it on,
<v Speaker 1>and he comes back and he's like, I'm gonna get
<v Speaker 1>another try, and just picks it up and he realizes
<v Speaker 1>he can hear sound well what's happened is he didn't
<v Speaker 1>realize that the Marshal was a European style power supply,
<v Speaker 1>and so he had had it at the two twenty
<v Speaker 1>instead of the one ten, and so it had taken
<v Speaker 1>just longer to charge up. But what happens is he
<v Speaker 1>plays it as it's halfway warm, is it's gotten that
<v Speaker 1>slow build of voltage, and he gets the sound that
<v Speaker 1>he wants without the volume problem, and that gives us
<v Speaker 1>that sound of the guitar, the one that everybody knows
<v Speaker 1>that everybody's like, yeah, that's Eddie guitar. We know that sound.
<v Speaker 1>And then he's got it all put together. He paints
<v Speaker 1>it black. That's kind of boring, right, So he's got
<v Speaker 1>some tape laying next to him and just randomly decides out,
<v Speaker 1>just put some tape in kind of a crisscross pattern
<v Speaker 1>on the guitar and then I'll paint it white and
<v Speaker 1>creates the franken Stratt look, which is the thing that
<v Speaker 1>we all associate, all associate.
<v Speaker 4>With that that's become their iconic look. And later he
<v Speaker 4>puts more tape on it, paints it red red.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, the first one, if you look at the if
<v Speaker 1>you look at the Van Handelin debut album. You'll see
<v Speaker 1>he's got a white guitar with black stripes. Later on,
<v Speaker 1>like you said, paints puts more tape on it, paints
<v Speaker 1>it red, and then you've got the red with the
<v Speaker 1>black and the white.
<v Speaker 4>It's so cool. Yeah, my gosh, it's great.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, work of art, just out of just kind of
<v Speaker 1>dumb luck really.
<v Speaker 4>So now they're playing the clubs.
<v Speaker 1>They're playing the clubs, and they've got a huge following
<v Speaker 1>when they're in the when they're in gazaaries, they've got
<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred people in there listening to him. But the
<v Speaker 1>problem is the rest of the world doesn't care about
<v Speaker 1>rock and roll.
<v Speaker 4>It's right late seventies. This is the time of the
<v Speaker 4>beg's and disco Saturday night fever.
<v Speaker 1>The only guys who are getting any songs out there
<v Speaker 1>even a little bit are like Aerosmith and Kiss.
<v Speaker 4>So, speaking of Kiss, one night, while Van Halen's.
<v Speaker 1>Playing, Yeah, it's at the Starwood, which is another club
<v Speaker 1>there on the Sunset Strip, Gene Simmons happens to be
<v Speaker 1>in the audience and he's he comes to them immediately
<v Speaker 1>after the show and they're like, oh my gosh, there's
<v Speaker 1>Gene Simmons and he doesn't have any makeup on and
<v Speaker 1>it's amazing, and he's like, has anybody signed you guys
<v Speaker 1>And they're like no, they well who's managing nobody? Well, okay,
<v Speaker 1>come with me. I'm going to take you to New
<v Speaker 1>York City. We're going to make a demo and we're
<v Speaker 1>going to get.
<v Speaker 3>You guys signed.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, And that's exactly what they do. There. They go,
<v Speaker 1>this young, excited band that's been playing hard for four
<v Speaker 1>or five years. Now. They go and they they do
<v Speaker 1>the songs they by the time.
<v Speaker 4>At this time, I mean, at this time, Gene Simmons
<v Speaker 4>is one of the biggest rock stars in the world, absolutely,
<v Speaker 4>and he shows up and says, I want to make
<v Speaker 4>you guys the next big thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which to I mean, if I was in that situation,
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, that's it, We've made it. We don't
<v Speaker 1>have anything else to worry about. Gene Simmons loves us.
<v Speaker 1>We've got a full album worth of original material that
<v Speaker 1>we know backwards and forwards because we play it every
<v Speaker 1>single night. They go and they record their album. One
<v Speaker 1>problem is they can't use their own instruments, so they
<v Speaker 1>lose the sound that Eddie had spent so long creating.
<v Speaker 1>And then the other.
<v Speaker 4>Problem is that album promptly does.
<v Speaker 1>Jack Swatt yeah, because Gene Simmons said, I don't think
<v Speaker 1>you guys should yourself saying, Halen.
<v Speaker 4>I think you guys ought to change your name to
<v Speaker 4>Daddy long.
<v Speaker 1>Legs, Daddy long Legs, Long Legs, which who knows, maybe
<v Speaker 1>that would have worked. I don't.
<v Speaker 4>I don't think so.
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not the same.
<v Speaker 4>And they do the right thing. When Gene Simmons tells
<v Speaker 4>you to do something after he had branded Kiss, there's
<v Speaker 4>gonna be a big temptation to change.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how do you not how do you I mean,
<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're with that iconic figure, how do
<v Speaker 1>you not go? Yeah, that sounds great. Whatever you say, Gene,
<v Speaker 1>you're the man.
<v Speaker 4>You're worth a bazillion dollars, mister Simmons, I'll do whatever
<v Speaker 4>you say, right, But they say no. That irritated him
<v Speaker 4>and he made the comment that these guys are never
<v Speaker 4>going to make it right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then and his management thought the same thing,
<v Speaker 1>They're never going to make it. So all of this excitement,
<v Speaker 1>all of this anticipation, and the result is a demo
<v Speaker 1>tape with songs that aren't played on their own instruments.
<v Speaker 6>Okay, let's give a quick shout out out to a
<v Speaker 6>friend of the show and another guy from Tulsa, Oklahoma,
<v Speaker 6>my hometown, Greg Greenoff.
<v Speaker 4>He's got a new book out called Ted Templeman, A
<v Speaker 4>Platinum Producer's Life in Music.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this book will be released in April of this year,
<v Speaker 1>and here's just a quick description. This autobiography recounts Templeman's
<v Speaker 1>remarkable life from a child jazz phenom in Santa Cruz,
<v Speaker 1>California in the nineteen fifties, too Grammy winning music executive
<v Speaker 1>during the seventies and eighties. Along the way, Ted details
<v Speaker 1>his late sixties cent as an unlikely star with the
<v Speaker 1>Sunshine pop outfit, Harper's Bizarre and his grinded out days
<v Speaker 1>as Warner Brothers tape listener, including the life altering moment
<v Speaker 1>that launched his career as a producer, his discovery of
<v Speaker 1>the Doobie Brothers. Ted Templeman, A Platinum Producer's Life and
<v Speaker 1>Music takes us into the studio session of number one
<v Speaker 1>hits like Blackwater by the Doobie Brothers and Jump by
<v Speaker 1>Van Halen. As Ted recounts memories and the behind the
<v Speaker 1>scenes dramas that engulfed both massively successful acts. Throughout Ted
<v Speaker 1>also reveals the inner workings of his professional and personal
<v Speaker 1>relationship with some of the most talented and successful recording
<v Speaker 1>artists in history, including Steven Tyler and Joe Perry of Aerosmith,
<v Speaker 1>Eric Clapton, Lowell, George Sammy Hagar, Lynda Ronstadt, David Lee Roth,
<v Speaker 1>and Carly Simon.
<v Speaker 4>Thanks Greg.
<v Speaker 1>Marshall Burrow is the one who talks to O'siston and
<v Speaker 1>Ted Templeman and says, these guys are going to be
<v Speaker 1>playing at the Whiskey, Go Go go tonight, go check
<v Speaker 1>them out. And this rainy, slow evening, maybe forty people
<v Speaker 1>in the crowd, not really the best crowd to be
<v Speaker 1>doing an audition for.
<v Speaker 4>The big wigs, the.
<v Speaker 1>Warner Brothers Records.
<v Speaker 4>And they liked it.
<v Speaker 1>They heard yeah, yeah, they loved it. They came back
<v Speaker 1>and they said, boys, we want to sign you. So
<v Speaker 1>then the next thing that happens is they've signed this contract.
<v Speaker 1>They're ready to start touring to put their put their
<v Speaker 1>performances on the world stage. And so they joined the
<v Speaker 1>tour of a band called Montrose and a band called Journey,
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. And I'm sure everybody's heard of Journey and
<v Speaker 1>most of you've heard of Montrose. But what you may
<v Speaker 1>not know is who the lead singer of Montrose is.
<v Speaker 4>Sammy Hagar.
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Hagar, that's right. So yes, an odd coincidence. And
<v Speaker 1>here's an interesting bit of information that came out. You know, people,
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people were not impressed with David Lee Roth,
<v Speaker 1>and among those were the Warner Brothers. Guys. They didn't
<v Speaker 1>appreciate what he brought to the stage. And to be honest,
<v Speaker 1>David Lee Roth doesn't have a stellar voice. And as
<v Speaker 1>it turns out, they proposed some other singers and propositioned
<v Speaker 1>some other singers, and one of the singers that they
<v Speaker 1>propositioned was Sammy Hagar. Sammy Hagar, yeah, And he did
<v Speaker 1>not disclose this until just in the last I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>three or four years, I would say, but he yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he was approached early on to take Dave's spot, and
<v Speaker 1>unbeknownst to the rest of the band.
<v Speaker 4>It's incredible. You know, Dave brings charisma, a stage presence,
<v Speaker 4>as we see later, the splits and the jumps and
<v Speaker 4>the yells. It's crazy that he was that underappreciated right
<v Speaker 4>out of the gate.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And so they're so good on tour, they're so
<v Speaker 1>incredible that they are outperforming Montrose, they are out performing Journey.
<v Speaker 1>And their sound guy has said, you know, the Montrose
<v Speaker 1>guys were cool, but I know that the Journey guys
<v Speaker 1>were mad that they were losing cheers and girls and
<v Speaker 1>other stuff, and I know they sabotaged our sound system.
<v Speaker 1>Things would happen. Then there was just no way that
<v Speaker 1>that happened unless we were being sabotaged. And so they
<v Speaker 1>changed their tour. They took them instead of playing the US,
<v Speaker 1>they took them out to Europe to start opening for
<v Speaker 1>Black Sabbath. Now, Black Sabbath was a band that they had,
<v Speaker 1>they had sat and learned the songs they were the
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you listened to Van Halen's music and you
<v Speaker 1>you know, oh yeah, those guys had to be influenced
<v Speaker 1>by Black Sabbath. And now they're opening for them, and
<v Speaker 1>as it turns out, they're also blowing them off the stage.
<v Speaker 1>And that's a quote from Ozzy Osbourne himself. Ozzy Osbourne said,
<v Speaker 1>every night they would blow us.
<v Speaker 3>Off the stage.
<v Speaker 4>Wow, that's really cool.
<v Speaker 1>So they're doing these tours. They had released the album
<v Speaker 1>which we're about to jump into here in a second,
<v Speaker 1>in early nineteen seventy eight. But before even they did
<v Speaker 1>that early release album, before they started all these tours,
<v Speaker 1>they released a single. Do you know the single that
<v Speaker 1>they released.
<v Speaker 4>I'm guessing that the single was You Really Got Me?
<v Speaker 1>That is correct. That was the first single that they released,
<v Speaker 1>and it's questionable whether they really wanted that to be
<v Speaker 1>their first release. I know for sure that Eddie didn't
<v Speaker 1>want it to be their first release. He was actually
<v Speaker 1>really disappointed that their first that their debut single was
<v Speaker 1>a cover.
<v Speaker 4>And that makes sense to me because Running with the
<v Speaker 4>Devil is a very strong song and seemingly imperfect. Yeah, leadoff.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they had been playing it for years. It was
<v Speaker 1>on the demo tape that they had done with Gene Simmons.
<v Speaker 1>It is an awesome song. But here's the story behind
<v Speaker 1>the story on this one. Okay, yep. So they've got
<v Speaker 1>their demo tape that they've done with Ted Templeman, the
<v Speaker 1>guy from Warner Brothers, and Eddie is super excited and
<v Speaker 1>he's playing it for friends and acquaintances and acquaintances of acquaintances.
<v Speaker 1>And one of those guys that he plays it for
<v Speaker 1>is Barry Brandt.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Barry Brandt.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Barry Brandt, who none of us know, right, but
<v Speaker 1>who happened at the time to be the drummer for
<v Speaker 1>a band called Angela. Angel was another band that Gene
<v Speaker 1>Simmons had discovered, but one that had actually signed with
<v Speaker 1>the record label. Now have you heard of Angel before?
<v Speaker 4>Not until you just mentioned it?
<v Speaker 1>No, right, so I hadn't either. Now we talked about
<v Speaker 1>the fact that that they had done a cover for
<v Speaker 1>their original release. This Really You Really Got Me was
<v Speaker 1>originally sung by The Kinks back in nineteen released back
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty four, and it's the perfect type of
<v Speaker 1>song for some hard.
<v Speaker 3>Rock You really got It Got It an awesome, awesome song.
<v Speaker 1>It was a great hit for the Kinks and influenced
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the hard rock that came after that.
<v Speaker 1>But the idea that hey, fourteen years later, it's going
<v Speaker 1>to be popular again suddenly was very enticing to Barry
<v Speaker 1>brand Because the next day Ted Templeman calls Eddie and said,
<v Speaker 1>did you play the tape for somebody? And He's like,
<v Speaker 1>I played it for a bunch of people. What are
<v Speaker 1>you talking about He's like you a hole that there's
<v Speaker 1>a band out there called Angel that's about to try
<v Speaker 1>to record that song and release it. We have to
<v Speaker 1>record it first and release it, or we're going to
<v Speaker 1>be the second ones to the table. And so, in
<v Speaker 1>a mad dash, they go and record their studio version
<v Speaker 1>that we've all heard and get it out and release
<v Speaker 1>it to the public before Angel is able to do
<v Speaker 1>the same, and his history is written. That's incredible, and
<v Speaker 1>Angel fades into the cloudy dust of history. So now
<v Speaker 1>that we're here, let's start talking about the actual debut album. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, okay, fantastic, Okay. So it's nineteen seventy eight.
<v Speaker 1>They're putting together this album. Their first release is You
<v Speaker 1>Really Got Me. It blows up.
<v Speaker 5>You Really Got It Now?
<v Speaker 7>You Got us On?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who too were You really Got It?
<v Speaker 7>Now?
<v Speaker 2>You Got us on?
<v Speaker 4>That's so awesome.
<v Speaker 1>It is so awesome. You Really Got Me reached number
<v Speaker 1>thirty six on the Hot one hundred among a whole
<v Speaker 1>bunch of disco and pop and punk rock songs. Not
<v Speaker 1>bad for your first thing, No, not bad at all.
<v Speaker 1>And so the first time I ever heard it was
<v Speaker 1>when I was watching the movie Night Shift, which right right,
<v Speaker 1>a movie by Ron Howard, Michael Keaton and Michael Keaton
<v Speaker 1>and Henry Winkler, the fauns himself, Yes, And the premise
<v Speaker 1>of the movie is these guys work in a morgan
<v Speaker 1>and decide to open a prostitution ring inside of the morgue.
<v Speaker 4>That movie is so funny.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. So there's a scene where Henry Winkler, who
<v Speaker 1>is so not the fawns in this movie, here's You
<v Speaker 1>Really Got Me playing, as he's walking into the building
<v Speaker 1>and he's all confused, and he opens the door to
<v Speaker 1>this ridiculous frat party and Michael Keaton's got like a
<v Speaker 1>belt around his head like a headband and partied hard
<v Speaker 1>with half naked prostates. It's all over the place, and
<v Speaker 1>Henry Winkler is freaking out.
<v Speaker 2>I even know about your people.
<v Speaker 4>This is a morgue. You're partying in a morgue.
<v Speaker 3>You don't believe me, that's.
<v Speaker 1>And he tries to pull out this dead body to
<v Speaker 1>show him. Turns out it's just a frat boy and
<v Speaker 1>a prostitute inside of the cadaver box and the.
<v Speaker 4>Board Howard, So you Really Got Me?
<v Speaker 1>Is released, and then they released the album itself. Now
<v Speaker 1>imagine how everyone felt the first time that they plug
<v Speaker 1>that album in and listened to that sound, and then
<v Speaker 1>that place coming in.
<v Speaker 7>I live my life back. This don't tomorrow. All I've
<v Speaker 7>got feel he's doing on me. It's a battle borrow
<v Speaker 7>your I'm living at us facetack.
<v Speaker 1>So that sound that you hear at the beginning that
<v Speaker 1>is obviously not a musical instrument is car horns and
<v Speaker 1>is it turns out it's it's a stunt that they
<v Speaker 1>did a tactic that they used on stage. They took
<v Speaker 1>the car horns out of their cars and hooked them
<v Speaker 1>up to a car battery and would play. Even when
<v Speaker 1>they played the show live, it would have that car
<v Speaker 1>horn introduction. And so they went ahead and brought them
<v Speaker 1>into the studio. Ted Templeman slowed him down there a
<v Speaker 1>bit at the end that you can you can hear
<v Speaker 1>the slow down. It's almost the Doppler effect as though
<v Speaker 1>it's going by. And then that hard hitting bass, and
<v Speaker 1>you know, God bless them. They've got the guy who's
<v Speaker 1>redefining O Houw to play guitar, and they start the
<v Speaker 1>first song on the first album with car horns.
<v Speaker 4>And the bass.
<v Speaker 1>But they're letting, they're letting everybody know where about hard rock.
<v Speaker 1>This is one of those rock songs that has two
<v Speaker 1>guitar solos in it, which is pretty unique for that
<v Speaker 1>for any time. Really not a whole lot of songs
<v Speaker 1>or you can get two guitar solos. But why wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>you do that? If you've got Eddie van Handls.
<v Speaker 4>You got j van Halen, you let him play as
<v Speaker 4>much as possible.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you want to play more.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's right.
<v Speaker 4>They recorded this album for forty thousand dollars to three
<v Speaker 4>weeks to record and that's it.
<v Speaker 1>So Run with the Double is not only the first
<v Speaker 1>song that you hear on the album, it is their
<v Speaker 1>second single that they released. Yes, and it does well.
<v Speaker 1>It reaches number eighty four on the Top one hundred, which, again,
<v Speaker 1>at this time, with the taste in music as it is,
<v Speaker 1>that's a great feat for a band's debut album.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, so tell me about fingertapping and eruption.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the b side to Running with the Double
<v Speaker 1>is Eruption. It's also the second song on the album
<v Speaker 1>and it's almost all Eddie. So I can remember vividly
<v Speaker 1>watching Eddie perform this live on stage I hadn't. You know,
<v Speaker 1>we should probably explain that I was born in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>seventy five. I was not listening to van Halen when
<v Speaker 1>I was the three years old. The introduction that I
<v Speaker 1>had to van Halen was nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 4>Me too, Right, I was born in nineteen seventy three, Okay,
<v Speaker 4>but nineteen eighty four was first time I was paying
<v Speaker 4>attention to.
<v Speaker 1>Right, nineteen eighty four was on was one of three
<v Speaker 1>tapes that were the first three tapes that I ever owned.
<v Speaker 1>It was nineteen eighty four minute work and Wham, a
<v Speaker 1>collection of music here for you. That was a great song.
<v Speaker 1>So Eruption, I can remember the first time I saw it,
<v Speaker 1>and it was a live performance and it was actually
<v Speaker 1>at the time that they were with Sammy Hagar. That
<v Speaker 1>was by then that I had Actually I heard Eruption
<v Speaker 1>for the first time and was was floored by it.
<v Speaker 1>And so I knew at that point that that Eddie
<v Speaker 1>did finger tapping and what was involved there. But this
<v Speaker 1>this finger tapping that he does in Eruption, I looked
<v Speaker 1>at that and I was just like, this isn't this
<v Speaker 1>isn't rock and roll. This is classical music. Okay, it's
<v Speaker 1>rocky and class it's I don't know what it is.
<v Speaker 1>It's like something amazing and undefinable. But I totally so.
<v Speaker 1>When I was growing up, I was I was into
<v Speaker 1>classical music. There was an album called Hooked on the
<v Speaker 1>Classics that came out and like I think eighty two,
<v Speaker 1>and I loved it.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, that's been about the time chipbunk punk came out
<v Speaker 4>and there.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, so I was listening
<v Speaker 1>to the Chipmunks and Bach and Beethoven and Mozart.
<v Speaker 4>All right, that's right, good job.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Yeah, so I don't know what kind of street
<v Speaker 1>cred I'm gonna get for that. But anyway, when I
<v Speaker 1>heard Eddie van Halen performing Eruption, I was like, this
<v Speaker 1>is classical music. And not only that I knew the song.
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever watch twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea,
<v Speaker 1>the Disney movie that had like it, no Captain Nemo
<v Speaker 1>and they're in the submarine and they get the big
<v Speaker 1>squid that attacks them. Well, familiar with it, but I've
<v Speaker 1>never seen it. There's a part of that movie for
<v Speaker 1>anybody who's seen it, where Captain Nemo, who's played by
<v Speaker 1>George good old George.
<v Speaker 4>George everybody, George Mason, George Mason, George Mason.
<v Speaker 1>And so he's Captain Nemo and he's got this organ
<v Speaker 1>and they kind of read if you watch any of
<v Speaker 1>the Pirates of the Caribbean, they've kind of done the
<v Speaker 1>same type of the reimagined that with the squid guy there.
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, he's playing this song and the song is
<v Speaker 1>boxed Takata and fugue, and it kicks but I don't
<v Speaker 1>care if it was written several hundred years ago. It
<v Speaker 1>kicks butt. And when I'm listening to Eddie van Halen
<v Speaker 1>playing Eruption live on stage, I'm like, that is takata
<v Speaker 1>and fugue, but it's not. It is, but it's not.
<v Speaker 1>So I want to I want you to listen to it. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>you see what I'm saying here. Okay, So this this
<v Speaker 1>is the scene from twenty thousand Leagues. So now let's
<v Speaker 1>listen to the live performance by Eddie. So we can't
<v Speaker 1>miss the part that's from Leoney Tunes right there, right,
<v Speaker 1>So that one is probably that one is probably actually
<v Speaker 1>from Franz List, which was a very prominent song that
<v Speaker 1>you would hear in Looney tunes. But remember Eddie's classically
<v Speaker 1>trained on the piano. Of course, that's his influence. Say
<v Speaker 1>what you will about his influences, he'll say that pretty
<v Speaker 1>much his only influence was Eric Clapton, and he would
<v Speaker 1>learn all of Eric Clapton's songs. Eric Clapton was called
<v Speaker 1>slow hand Eddie. No one would dare call that to him, right,
<v Speaker 1>But that was it, That's all he'll say. But there's
<v Speaker 1>no question that the classics, the classical composers, are the
<v Speaker 1>ones that really influenced the music that he plays, especially
<v Speaker 1>on eruption. So as you pointed out, there are special
<v Speaker 1>techniques that are involved there with eruption. So Eddie goes
<v Speaker 1>when they're younger, he goes and they get to watch
<v Speaker 1>led Zeppelin play, like led Zeppelin's playing in California at
<v Speaker 1>that time, and so he gets to go see him.
<v Speaker 1>And at some point, Jimmy Page has got his guitar.
<v Speaker 1>He's got his left hand on the guitar, which is
<v Speaker 1>where he pressed the fretboard, and your right hand is
<v Speaker 1>normally what strums, but Jimmy's got his hand up in
<v Speaker 1>the air like pointing like I'm number one, like we're awesome.
<v Speaker 1>That kind of thing. But he's still playing with his
<v Speaker 1>left hand, and he's what he's doing is he's pounding
<v Speaker 1>on the string with the finger, which causes it to
<v Speaker 1>make a sound, and then pulling that off as though
<v Speaker 1>he's kind of plucking it to also make it make
<v Speaker 1>another sound. And so that's those are called hammer ons
<v Speaker 1>and pull offs. Not terribly creative, but easy to understand,
<v Speaker 1>right right. And so Eddie's watching this, he sees him
<v Speaker 1>do this, and the inspiration is there for him, and
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I can do that. I could do that
<v Speaker 1>with both hands. Yeah right, I mean he's got one
<v Speaker 1>hand in the air. He's not even using the hand.
<v Speaker 1>If I took that hand and put it on the
<v Speaker 1>front board with the other fingers, I'm not just able
<v Speaker 1>to play two notes now, I'm not just able to
<v Speaker 1>play three notes. I can play four and five notes.
<v Speaker 1>I could because I can tap on the strings and
<v Speaker 1>do my hammer ons and my pull offs with my
<v Speaker 1>right hand. And that's tapping and that's the that is
<v Speaker 1>that that is really the key thing that he brought
<v Speaker 1>to the lead guitar scene for the next twenty years.
<v Speaker 4>All right, So that's the end of episode one.
<v Speaker 1>Van Halen, Yeah, we're gonna come back next week and
<v Speaker 1>do part two, the Rise and Fall of Daily Rock. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so hang on for that one. Come join us, and
<v Speaker 1>you'll get to hear some fun stuff. We'll play a
<v Speaker 1>little bit of that for you right now. They came
<v Speaker 1>back from the tour and they were exhausted. Eleven solid
<v Speaker 1>months on tour.
<v Speaker 4>And eleven months of killing it every night, hard work.
<v Speaker 4>They get back, the manager of the record company says,
<v Speaker 4>great job, you guys did awesome. You host three million
<v Speaker 4>dollars in a new record. What squeeze So Guinness Book
<v Speaker 4>World Record. They got one point five million dollars for
<v Speaker 4>a ninety minute set.
<v Speaker 1>They make more money than anybody has for that. But
<v Speaker 1>tensions are still high.
<v Speaker 4>The tensions are high. Even a million dollars an hour
<v Speaker 4>can't cure some of the tensions that are going on now.
<v Speaker 4>So during nineteen eighty three they begin working on a
<v Speaker 4>new album, YEP, to come out at the very end
<v Speaker 4>of nineteen eighty three YEP, and that album is called
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty four. This is a new Van Halen.
<v Speaker 1>The diehard Van Halen fans are getting mixed reviews. Some
<v Speaker 1>of them are sticking with them, some of them are like,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's going on with these guys. You
<v Speaker 1>get those guys who think they sold out, and so
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, if it's popular, they're not
<v Speaker 1>interested anymore. Yeah, I don't care about you those guys.
<v Speaker 4>Her teacher comes out with the young van Halen boys
<v Speaker 4>running around the school terrorizing. Right, you've got miss fed
<v Speaker 4>his ed and miss spelled and miss science or whatever,
<v Speaker 4>and those spelled teachers running around.
<v Speaker 1>You've got his kind of awkwardly cyghing mother. And then
<v Speaker 1>when Waldo speaks, he's got this unusually deep voice.
<v Speaker 4>Oh mom, yeah, no, I'm not like other guys.
<v Speaker 5>I'm nervous.
<v Speaker 1>Then my socks there too.
<v Speaker 4>You know who that voice is right now? That voice
<v Speaker 4>is Phil Hartman of Saturnyntlin.
<v Speaker 1>Oh Phil Hartman, God rest his soul. Their success is
<v Speaker 1>beyond what it has ever been in history. They are
<v Speaker 1>literally at the top of their game, and.
<v Speaker 4>This is where it falls apart. So eight o'clock in
<v Speaker 4>the morning, they're supposed to be there to write and
<v Speaker 4>play music. Dave would show about eleven, start a fight.
<v Speaker 1>And then he, unbeknownst to them, goes and finds another
<v Speaker 1>group of guys to play with. Produces an album, a
<v Speaker 1>four song album, which he says, Hey, you know, any
<v Speaker 1>album has only got four good songs on it. Anyway,
<v Speaker 1>I'm just cutting off the fat. As it turned out,
<v Speaker 1>there are only really two good songs on the album.
<v Speaker 1>This is the ego speaking right here. He does an
<v Speaker 1>interview with David Letterman in early eighty five talking about
<v Speaker 1>that album, and Dave is trying to find out what's
<v Speaker 1>going to happen with the rest of the band.
<v Speaker 2>I think now's a good time on New Year's to
<v Speaker 2>decide whether you're going to be a hot dog or
<v Speaker 2>a little weenie.
<v Speaker 1>When you're doing solo work. Is the is the Does
<v Speaker 1>this mean that the band will soon be breaking up?
<v Speaker 5>No, No, that happens, you know.
<v Speaker 2>No, I still have very I still have very strong
<v Speaker 2>tribal instincts. And we'll be going into the studio like
<v Speaker 2>the middle of this month and start arguing again, and
<v Speaker 2>we'll come back out with an album sometime this year, hopefully.
<v Speaker 1>He has this full expectation that the band's going to
<v Speaker 1>stay together. But you can't be the guy who goes
<v Speaker 1>and trashes the meetings, the guy who rates somebody for
<v Speaker 1>going and doing work with other people and then pull
<v Speaker 1>off this stunt and expect to remain in a band.
<v Speaker 2>Boom Budda Boom Badida, Boom Badida, Boom Buddy.
<v Speaker 1>Dave is out.
<v Speaker 4>Dave's out in nineteen eighty five, right at the pinnacle
<v Speaker 4>of their professional career. Do van Hagen?
<v Speaker 1>The first time I heard it was on the movie
<v Speaker 1>Joe Dirt.
<v Speaker 3>No, sir man, I don't like that crap. I'm a
<v Speaker 3>rocker dude through and through.
<v Speaker 6>Here's my favorite bands, AC DC, van Halen, not van Hagar.
<v Speaker 7>Who cures about the clouds When we're.
<v Speaker 4>To Sammy officially joins the band end nineteen eighty five,
<v Speaker 4>just sing us song and thing bout Sonny.
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