[Bonus] Egg cars, butterfly opsins and mosquito brains: Get to know host Margot Wohl

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<v SPEAKER_00>Hello, and welcome to this very special bonus episode of Chain Reaction.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is Sam Jones on the mic, and I am joined by Marg Wall.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Also on the mic.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Also on the mic.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And you heard from both of us this past miniseries, the first mini-series of Chain Reaction.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But I thought that this would be kind of a nice opportunity to have us introduce ourselves and in particular to have Marg introduce herself because she will be the consistent voice on Chain Reaction that you will hear in every episode.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'll be there for some of the episodes, but she is always there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And she's new to ACS.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And she's not just going to be on Chain Reaction, she's also going to be producing some Tiny Matters episodes.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And if you guys don't know, Tiny Matters is the other ACS podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>One that's been around for about four years.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It takes on kind of broader scientific topics.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So Tiny Matters is kind of like my first baby at ACS.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um I pitched the idea for it and then launched it about four and a half years ago.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it is, like Margot said, a much broader science podcast, whereas Chain Reaction is really focused on chemistry, although chemistry is so interdisciplinary that we're hitting a bunch of other fields.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The real distinction is that Tiny Matters is for a very general science-interested audience, whereas Chain Reaction, although I think that general science enthusiasts will like it, is really focused on chemistry.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so you're just subscribe to both now.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, just listen to it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Leave us five stars and the best review that you can think of.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So Tiny Matters comes out on Wednesdays, chain reaction on Thursdays.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So Wednesdays and Thursdays, we've got something to kick off your day.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, so Margot, I'm gonna just very briefly introduce myself to Chain Reaction Audiences, audience, listeners, audience I.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Audience I.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you are already a tiny matters listener, then I'm gonna share a bunch of things that you're gonna say, yeah, I know I listened to your other podcast, but sorry, I have to do that because this is a new one and it's very exciting.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, okay, so uh my name's Sam.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I am a, I will say scientist turned science communicator, I guess, former scientist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Are we still always scientists if we were scientists?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I I think so.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think so, but I am always like, I was and now I'm not, but it's in my heart, but I guess I still am.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I don't know.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But anyways, I so I got my PhD in biomedical science um about wait, what year was it?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Eight years ago.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Whoa, okay.

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<v SPEAKER_00>About eight years ago now, um, at UC San Diego.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And as I was, you know, in the throes of my PhD, I was realizing that I actually loved talking about, writing about, learning about other projects, other fields.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so ultimately I found science communication and I got a job in science communication first as an assistant editor at Chemical and Engineering News, which is part of the American Chemical Society.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that was back in 2018.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so then, you know, that's what got me to DC.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And then I've bopped around a little bit in terms of my role, but really solidly went into podcasting uh four and a half years ago.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But I feel like I like having things be dynamic.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so then, you know, launching this new podcast was very exciting.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, I was ready to try something new while also continuing tiny matters because I love it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um okay, Marg.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How about you?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Who are you?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Who am I?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Uh well, I studied science.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I am a scientist.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I would say like a neuroethologist because I studied animal behavior, but then like how the brain allowed for that behavior to happen.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And actually, I went to UCSD for grad school, which is where I first met Sam.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We were both in graduate school at UCSD doing SciCom.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We were in different programs.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I was biomedical science, you were neuroscience, but we had overlapping interests already almost a decade ago.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and at that time, I was really into podcasting.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You were an early adopter of the science podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I guess I was.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I don't know.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like, I mean, podcasts have been around for a long time.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But how about it was it was not as big.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like you were, you were years before things like ologyes, like you had a science podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I did.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It was called, well, first I had one called Salk Talk.

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<v SPEAKER_01>This was at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And then Rad Scientists, which was uh the podcast that I produced for KPBS, which was the local NPR station.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That was when I was kind of making vignettes of local scientists, and so it kind of became the second job I had while finishing my PhD, sorry, to my advisor.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And then I went and I did a postdoc at Hopkins.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I was studying mosquitoes and their sense of smell.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we do in in one of the, you might have picked up on the fact that Margot studied mosquitoes because I think you mention it in one of the episodes in miniseries one.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Very interesting creatures to study.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And then I decided I really wanted to get back into science communication, especially podcasting.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's kind of my favorite medium of communicating science.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so I was super excited when this position opened up and that I would get to work for Sam and work for this really cool organization that cares a lot about communicating science through lots of different ways.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And that's how I got here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Just like convenient timing, honestly.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Very convenient timing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So, Margot you started as the producer of Chain Reaction.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You'll be involved in both Tiny Matters and Chain Reaction, but right now you focused a lot on Chain Reaction because we had to get this thing going.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We had to get it, we had to get it out to the public.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I know there was a lot of research that you did, and I know you came across some very fun stuff, not all of which actually made it into episodes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I would love you to share like one of those things with our audience before we talk about like what inspired us to even have this new podcast to begin with.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Sure.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, I love going over old videos like archival videos.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Could probably do that all day.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But I found this video from the 1970s about this electrical vehicle that not only was it made by a dentist, like the designed by a dentist.

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<v SPEAKER_01>He's a real Renaissance man.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, but also it like looked like an egg.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, the promo literally started with a physical egg.

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<v unknown>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And in some ways it was like ahead of its time.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's like, look, you can like plug it in at home.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And um in other ways, it was like, how can this work as a real vehicle that transports people?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And if you're not aware, the egg vehicle did not make it on two roads, at least not in a mass-produced manner.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But I love the idea that you could just be a dentist and you're like, you know what, I'm gonna create an electrical vehicle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I'm gonna make it look like an egg.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The doors kind of open like DeLorean style, which is cool.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was an egg DeLorean.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So good.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, even the colors, if I remember, it was like, let's just go with egg.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let's go with like yellow.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It was like a yellow, yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, that's really fun.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So we will put a link to that actually in the episode description.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That would be very fun.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think people will want to see that.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And then you can see like all the things we misremembered about it, I'm sure.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>People are like, this is red.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What do you mean?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um okay, so Marg, that was a really fun thing that you found in your research.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But I am kind of curious, like coming from, you know, a scientist perspective, I think it'll help people get to know you a little bit better to understand like what are some of your what's a what's a favorite science discovery that you have?

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<v SPEAKER_01>This is a good question.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I bet you it's uh I'm gonna go neuroscience-y because like, you know, that was my field, and obviously that stuff excited me.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I decided to study it for a lot of years.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, so I thought this was a fun discovery, but you know how you have ops that receive light and then convert it into electrical signal, and that's how your brain knows you're seeing stuff.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, so these options normally you find them in an eyeball.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Well, that makes sense, but they found them in butterfly genitalia, and they're like, what is going on?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like, why are these here?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>What are they processing their genitals?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Well, that it's still light.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So from the studies, it seems as though it's processing the fact that like there is other genital parts of the opposite butterfly sex in the right region.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so they're actually lighting up their genitals at each other.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I think what happens is if another butterfly comes in, it blocks out the light in that area.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so it senses that darkness.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's like another cue to be like, okay, like we're making the connection.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's it's happening.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Oh.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Fascinating.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Very random.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But on the topic of options, one of the more fun things that I got to play with, that was kind of an invention around the time when I was a scientist, was the ability to take these options and put them into the brain.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And what you could do is then use light to trigger impulses in the brain where like they normally weren't.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like you put options like in the middle of the brain, and then all of a sudden you can use light to like activate that part of the brain wherever you've put those options.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Wow.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's fascinating.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, I remember optogenetics that's really becoming huge about a decade ago.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like it was, I feel like that was the thing that everyone was talking about.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Options are really cool.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I love that actually.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I was like, where is this going?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yep.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Pretty random.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No, I love that works.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I love that though.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Okay, so now that we have a little background on Margot, I want to talk a little bit about chain reaction.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, why does it exist?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um there are a variety of reasons why it exists.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But I would say one of the big motivators was that this year is ACS's 150th anniversary.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So the American Chemical Society has been around for 150 years.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's a long time.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I think that whenever an organization has been around for that long, you start to think about, reevaluate like your values and who you're reaching and who you're maybe not reaching and what your audience wants.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so chain reaction was proposed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, and so the idea is really to understand the history of chemistry and how it shapes our world today and how it shapes where we're headed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um and also it's just a very cool space to hear stories from chemists.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know, we try and lead with storytelling.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're providing chemistry in context, but not in a textbook manner.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What do you think, Margot?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, I I agree.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I think on the sesquicentennial of ACS, sesquicentennial.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I think it's a time to think about how chemistry has changed over time, but also think about like some really big problems in the world and how chemistry plays a part and can play a part and hopefully making them better.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And let's talk a little bit about this first year of Chain Reaction.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Obviously, by the time this episode drops, mini-series one will have been released.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And, you know, we are covering, I don't want to say the entirety of the chemical enterprise, but we are just like touching on little bits, touching yeah, touching on little bits over the course of millennia is really what it is.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so then from here we get much more specific with our miniseries.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, in comparison, we're still t tackling these big, interesting, relevant to now topics in chemistry.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So maybe we could go over like a couple of the mini-series that people could look forward to.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I'm really gonna tease them along the way, but you know, if you if you heard the trail, you might have heard that we're gonna have a mini-series about the medicines that we use daily, and we're gonna touch on how we fuel our transportation and how that's changing and how that could change more in the future.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, we are looking into pollution and and like how do you measure pollution and also how do you remediate it once it's already happened?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And how do you take stock of how polluted the earth is?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And like that, that to me is wild.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think, you know, thinking about small scale sampling um is not too hard to wrap your brain around, but then thinking about it from a global perspective or a global approach.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we have someone who talks to us about that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So yeah, I needed that at the end of the mini-series.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm like, how bad is it?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What should we be worried about?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And then we have an Instagram that you can follow.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And those are inflection point and stereochemistry.

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<v SPEAKER_01>We're making videos.

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<v SPEAKER_01>We're I actually one you can look forward to in the future.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I I went to a water treatment plant.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So if you ever like kind of wanted to know what that looks like and sounds like.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And fortunately, the smell will not permeate through Instagram.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Smell it, yes.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Uh, no smell ovision in these Instagram posts, which you could be very thankful for.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and we're so excited that you're here listening to us still.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You made it to the end.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You made it to the end.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How do we want to sign off?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, signing off your chemistry friends, Margot and Sam.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're gonna we're gonna work on our uh outro.

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<v SPEAKER_00>All right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Thanks everyone.