Ep:192 Amazing Bigfoot Evidence Captured In Washington

<v Speaker 1>I've always had a fascination with the subject, honestly growing up,
<v Speaker 1>though I never really wanted to research it. Honestly, that
<v Speaker 1>all changed for me in February twenty fifteen. My father
<v Speaker 1>was taking the trash out one morning behind our house.
<v Speaker 1>There's like a wooded forested area up behind our house
<v Speaker 1>on this hill, and he heard these two He heard
<v Speaker 1>two distinct loops, which he immediately recognized from hearing from
<v Speaker 1>the Sierra sounds like those kind of whoops. Because he
<v Speaker 1>heard two distinct loops, like one whoops, which I'm off,
<v Speaker 1>and then another whoop would respond to that coming from
<v Speaker 1>this hill up on the hill. He made a note
<v Speaker 1>of that, and as he was going to work down
<v Speaker 1>the road here there was a herd of elk pretty
<v Speaker 1>much standing in the middle of the road, and they're
<v Speaker 1>all looking up back up towards that hill where those.
<v Speaker 2>Woops were coming from.
<v Speaker 3>I'd like to welcome Tristan Yelton to the show. Tristan
<v Speaker 3>is a bigfooter out of Washington, and we've got quite
<v Speaker 3>a few friends in common, I believe. But I've been
<v Speaker 3>wanting to talk to you for a while. You first
<v Speaker 3>popped up on my radar through Jonathan Brown telling me
<v Speaker 3>about some audio that you had captured that was pretty
<v Speaker 3>amazing in my opinion, and I've been wanting to talk
<v Speaker 3>to you about it for a while. But first off,
<v Speaker 3>welcome to the show Man. Nice to have you on.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Mat. Yeah, it's good to be on here.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I've been a listener reviewers for a while,
<v Speaker 1>so this is quite an honor to actually be on
<v Speaker 1>your show. Yeah, I mean I used to. I mean
<v Speaker 1>I remember when you used to talk to Baron Kombo
<v Speaker 1>on your show back in the day. So yeah, those
<v Speaker 1>were those were some great episodes listening to those.
<v Speaker 3>So how long have you been into the Bigfoot thing?
<v Speaker 1>Well, growing up, I was always into like dinosaurs, monsters
<v Speaker 1>and you know, Godzilla and and Bigfoot and cryptids kind
<v Speaker 1>of came into that too. I was, you know, really
<v Speaker 1>interested in monsters and prehistoric things and uh, and growing up,
<v Speaker 1>I used to watch those all those documentaries that used
<v Speaker 1>to be on TV, those you know, like a Mysterious
<v Speaker 1>Monsters and in such a big Foot with Robert W. Morgan.
<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot of those big Foot shows were
<v Speaker 1>on Hunts Old Mysteries. Yeah, you know a lot of
<v Speaker 1>these shows were on growing up, and you know, I
<v Speaker 1>got really, I got really into this into the subjects
<v Speaker 1>as a youngster, and I used to go to library,
<v Speaker 1>used to the library and out books on it, and
<v Speaker 1>you know, in course of parison film that was pretty
<v Speaker 1>exciting to see. So I've always had a fascination with
<v Speaker 1>the subject, but I've honestly, growing up though I never
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to research it because I always thought there
<v Speaker 1>was enough people out there doing that. And but honestly,
<v Speaker 1>that all changed for me in two in February twenty fifteen,
<v Speaker 1>when my father, My father was taking the trash out
<v Speaker 1>one morning, and behind our house there's like a wooded
<v Speaker 1>it's like it used to be owned by warehouser, but
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a wooded forested area up behind our house
<v Speaker 1>on this hill. And he heard these two He heard
<v Speaker 1>two distinct loops, which he immediately recognized from hearing from
<v Speaker 1>the Sierra sounds like those kind of whoops. Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 1>what he told me what it sounded like. So he
<v Speaker 1>heard two distinct loops, like one whoop would time off
<v Speaker 1>and then another whoop would respond to that, coming from
<v Speaker 1>this hill up on the hill. And he he made
<v Speaker 1>a note of that and as he was going to
<v Speaker 1>work down the road. Here there was a herd of
<v Speaker 1>elk pretty much standing in the middle of the road,
<v Speaker 1>and they're all looking up back up towards that hill
<v Speaker 1>where those woops were coming from. So yeah, she he
<v Speaker 1>told me he had to swerve around the word of
<v Speaker 1>elk to get the work. So, for whatever reason, though
<v Speaker 1>he didn't tell us, he didn't tell my mother and
<v Speaker 1>I about the whoops that he heard until like a
<v Speaker 1>few a few weeks later, when I think we're watching
<v Speaker 1>like Finding Bigfoot or some Bigfoot show. But as we
<v Speaker 1>were watching that, he happened to mention, like, oh, one morning,
<v Speaker 1>I heard these whoops on the hill as I was
<v Speaker 1>taking the trash show. But you know, as soon as
<v Speaker 1>my mother and I heard that, we got really excited.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I've always wanted to capture the Sierras.
<v Speaker 1>You know, the Sierras sounds on audio. So as soon
<v Speaker 1>as we could, we got up on the hill. And
<v Speaker 1>actually right before that, we were kind of looking we
<v Speaker 1>were looking up gifting, uh, possible gifting options, and we
<v Speaker 1>we came upon Barb Shoop's YouTube YouTube channel, and she
<v Speaker 1>always gifting them peanut butter, you know, peanut butter jars,
<v Speaker 1>so we got the idea of doing that. We got
<v Speaker 1>a jar, my mom got a new jar, ganut butter,
<v Speaker 1>we had some little we had those peanut butter crackers,
<v Speaker 1>like those little rappers, and we went up on the
<v Speaker 1>hill here. At the time, the hills had only one
<v Speaker 1>had only one old logging trail that you can only
<v Speaker 1>walk up to to get into the forested area up
<v Speaker 1>here on the hill. But since then it's been locked.
<v Speaker 1>It's it was locked pretty heavily because they were going
<v Speaker 1>to do the development up in there a few years later.
<v Speaker 1>So now it's like all of these all the trees
<v Speaker 1>are basically they're bold bulldos down and they're just now
<v Speaker 1>growing back up again. Yeah, so it's it's it's pretty
<v Speaker 1>changed up there now. But but at the time it
<v Speaker 1>was all pretty much woods up in there, besides the trail,
<v Speaker 1>the old logging trail. So we went up that and
<v Speaker 1>there the trail intersects in two, like there's like a
<v Speaker 1>little creek up in there, and and actually there's like
<v Speaker 1>another logging trail that comes from the uh in the
<v Speaker 1>other direction of the on the hill. There was another
<v Speaker 1>logging trail that came downward and they both kind of
<v Speaker 1>intersected and crossed into this creek over this creek, and
<v Speaker 1>so my mother and I thought the creek, we thought
<v Speaker 1>this little where the creek was would be a good
<v Speaker 1>spot to place the peanut butter jar in the peanut
<v Speaker 1>butter crackers. And I had an old iye, I still
<v Speaker 1>have it. I had an old audio recorder with me
<v Speaker 1>which doesn't even have doesn't even have USB capabilities. In
<v Speaker 1>order to get audio off, I would have to connect
<v Speaker 1>it to another audio recorder with USB capabilities and record
<v Speaker 1>onto that one in order to get audio off of this.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, so yeah, So I had that with me,
<v Speaker 1>and I had a bunch of cord and I strapped
<v Speaker 1>the uh the recorder to the stump with a bungee cord.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, there's like a there's a couple of
<v Speaker 1>logs where we put the peanut butter jar and the
<v Speaker 1>crackers on. And this is right in front of the
<v Speaker 1>little screen. And this is around five o'clock at five
<v Speaker 1>pm at night, and it was getting it was getting dark.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't totally dark. But so I just want to
<v Speaker 1>make a note of that because, uh, well, I'll just
<v Speaker 1>tell you so after we after we did that, After
<v Speaker 1>we did that, we went home, and then the next
<v Speaker 1>morning I went back up there to retrieve their audio
<v Speaker 1>recorder in the peanut butter jar and the peanut butter jar,
<v Speaker 1>the lid was on the ground and inside the peanut
<v Speaker 1>butter jar where what I thought it looked like possible
<v Speaker 1>finger holes and Dorman bridges on the on the inside
<v Speaker 1>of the peanut butter jar, like something put its hand,
<v Speaker 1>possibly put its hand inside the peanut butter jar and
<v Speaker 1>scooped it out, and you know, that's how it ate it.
<v Speaker 1>It's a peanut butter and and the peanut butter crackers
<v Speaker 1>were gone, but they were neatly opened out of their wrappers.
<v Speaker 1>They weren't like torn open like maybe a bear or
<v Speaker 1>raccoon would do. They were just neatly opened. So we
<v Speaker 1>thought that was weird. But my recorder was still on
<v Speaker 1>the stump and there's no scratches or teethmarks on it,
<v Speaker 1>so I didn't think anything of it. I didn't think
<v Speaker 1>anything touched my recorder. So we took this home and
<v Speaker 1>I listened to my audi recorder. I had to put
<v Speaker 1>it to my ear to listen to it. It's ridiculous.
<v Speaker 1>But apparently after an hour an hour after my mother
<v Speaker 1>and I left the area around six pm, and it
<v Speaker 1>was definitely dark at that time. Around six pm, something
<v Speaker 1>comes in and it has a weird I don't know
<v Speaker 1>what it is. I don't know what's going on, but
<v Speaker 1>some people are calling it the hum It's like a
<v Speaker 1>weird feedback humming sound that happens on my audio and uh,
<v Speaker 1>at first, you know, I thought, maybe is this a
<v Speaker 1>humming bird or a moth or some kind of bug.
<v Speaker 1>But as they keep listening, you hear some kind of
<v Speaker 1>creature or animal eating. It sounds like it's eating my food,
<v Speaker 1>eating the peanut butter and eating the peanut butter crackers.
<v Speaker 1>I looked up there because here's some you know here,
<v Speaker 1>some fumbling of you know, plastic and things like that.
<v Speaker 1>So whatever it is, it came in and started eating it.
<v Speaker 1>And then I think, I think it sees my audio recorder,
<v Speaker 1>because all of a sudden you hear this really loud
<v Speaker 1>grunt like and then like a couple of seconds later
<v Speaker 1>or whatever this thing is comes over to my I
<v Speaker 1>think it comes over to my recorder and it sounds
<v Speaker 1>like it's fumbling with it, like it it's messing with
<v Speaker 1>it on the on the bunk on the stump, you know,
<v Speaker 1>with the bungee cord, and it's groundling, grumbling, and at
<v Speaker 1>the same time it's doing that, it's making that humming.
<v Speaker 1>That humming sound is happening at the same time, and
<v Speaker 1>it does that for a few seconds and then it
<v Speaker 1>just for whatever reason, it just automatically stops and you
<v Speaker 1>didn't even hear it walk away. They're pretty much whatever
<v Speaker 1>this thing is, it just stops messing with my recorder
<v Speaker 1>and then disappears. And that's pretty much all I was
<v Speaker 1>able to record. And in terms of that, whatever this
<v Speaker 1>animal is, I don't know what. I still don't know
<v Speaker 1>what it is. But it was very startling and shocking
<v Speaker 1>to hear that because I was I was not expecting
<v Speaker 1>to hear anything like that on my on my audio
<v Speaker 1>at all.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this is how far away from your house
<v Speaker 3>is this?
<v Speaker 1>Oh god? This is like, well, the hill is like
<v Speaker 1>right across the road. It's like, you know, like half
<v Speaker 1>a mile to a mile, uh, you know, up this
<v Speaker 1>up this hill. So it's it's really close to our house.
<v Speaker 1>It's like it overlooks our house basically this hill. So
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think if this is a Sasquatch. I
<v Speaker 1>think obviously this might have been some kind of route
<v Speaker 1>that they are too and there, you know, there's nobody.
<v Speaker 1>There is a house on the hill, but it's low,
<v Speaker 1>it's at a lower elevation from where we were leaving
<v Speaker 1>our food out. And I don't I don't think these
<v Speaker 1>were people were I don't think these were the people
<v Speaker 1>living in that house.
<v Speaker 3>Just eating peanut butter they found on a stump.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, exactly, especially at six o'clock at night. The
<v Speaker 1>fact that it got dark at six, I mean, I
<v Speaker 1>think whatever it was, you know, obviously felt comfortable being
<v Speaker 1>audit dark. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think this might
<v Speaker 1>have been a travel round for whatever animal this was,
<v Speaker 1>and they just, you know, they just kept passing through.
<v Speaker 1>And who knows how many nights they would be doing this,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know if it's nightly or who knows.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I saw photographs of the peanut butter jar. It
<v Speaker 3>looks exactly like you're describing, like something was poking its
<v Speaker 3>fingers into the peanut butter and eating it. And it
<v Speaker 3>looks like large dermal patterns kind of smudged into the
<v Speaker 3>peanut butter on the side of the jar. You know,
<v Speaker 3>and the package being opened, you know very cleanly that
<v Speaker 3>that's something that I've seen before in Texas, which I
<v Speaker 3>also didn't have an answer for, because, like you're saying,
<v Speaker 3>animals just chew through the wrapper, they don't care. And
<v Speaker 3>the buzzing sound is also something that I've heard other
<v Speaker 3>people talk about in association with these things, which I
<v Speaker 3>don't have an explanation for that one. What do you
<v Speaker 3>think the buzzing is? Do you have any theories on that?
<v Speaker 1>Well, at first I was thinking maybe it had something
<v Speaker 1>to do with infrasound. I mean, that was the first
<v Speaker 1>idea that came to my head when I first heard it.
<v Speaker 1>But or as the time has gone by in it
<v Speaker 1>and after I've shared this with other people and other people,
<v Speaker 1>like you said, other people have recorded this as well,
<v Speaker 1>and so a lot of a lot of other people
<v Speaker 1>have theories that maybe this is maybe this is something
<v Speaker 1>coming from their test, maybe not from their loans, because
<v Speaker 1>maybe some kind of residence in their test cavity that
<v Speaker 1>they're able to produce it. Maybe it's not a lunk,
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe it's not something from their loans, but
<v Speaker 1>something maybe even deeper. Yeah, maybe it's some kind of
<v Speaker 1>but what it is exactly, I cann't tell you. It's uh,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I And to be honest, I haven't
<v Speaker 1>recorded anything like that since after all my years of
<v Speaker 1>research and recording. This was really the only instance where
<v Speaker 1>I was able to record this home. But when I
<v Speaker 1>was at this conference this past weekend, David Ellis played
<v Speaker 1>other examples of the home being recorded. In fact, at
<v Speaker 1>Bumping Lake where I got some of my other audios,
<v Speaker 1>had somebody recorded the very something very similar to mine
<v Speaker 1>in one of the camps that I was camping at,
<v Speaker 1>right it was getting my audio as well. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>this is this is something that's been like you said,
<v Speaker 1>it's been captured around the country, you know, all from
<v Speaker 1>all over the all over the country, from different states
<v Speaker 1>and everything.
<v Speaker 3>So it's yeah, the first time I heard about it,
<v Speaker 3>a guy was asking me about it, and I believe
<v Speaker 3>he's from Connecticut. I may be wrong about Connecticut, but
<v Speaker 3>he's definitely on the East coast. So there you have
<v Speaker 3>coast to coast phenomenon that nobody really knows for sure
<v Speaker 3>what's going on. And that was your first ever foray
<v Speaker 3>into the bigfoot world.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was, because yes it was, I mean
<v Speaker 1>in terms of researching.
<v Speaker 3>It was Yeah, that's crazy, man.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. All the other times, man, I was just like,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I went to one because they had a
<v Speaker 1>big for conference at Mountain Hellens at ninety two, and
<v Speaker 1>I got to see Renee de Hindon in person. I
<v Speaker 1>didn't even know. I didn't even realize it it was
<v Speaker 1>him at the time, but I looked at pictures that
<v Speaker 1>we took and that was him. He was up there,
<v Speaker 1>So that was him at the conference.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah all the other time, man, I just I've
<v Speaker 1>just been a if you want to call it that,
<v Speaker 1>for bigfoot, but I never I never had any interest
<v Speaker 1>in researching it until you know. The craziest thing is here,
<v Speaker 1>I am in Washington, right and I've never even realized
<v Speaker 1>this seems if it's a Bigfoot that I got, these
<v Speaker 1>things are around me. Yeah, so close to my house.
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.
<v Speaker 3>Then you know, your dad heard those whoops and he
<v Speaker 3>was obviously tuned into bigfoot enough to recognize them for
<v Speaker 3>what they were. Uh. And then you guys went out
<v Speaker 3>there and you left out your recorder and got this,
<v Speaker 3>you know, evidence that could potentially be Bigfoot related. But
<v Speaker 3>before that, you guys never noticed anything any Bigfoot hindsight
<v Speaker 3>looking back of things that might have been Bigfoot related
<v Speaker 3>going on.
<v Speaker 1>No, not around my house. No, I mean you know this.
<v Speaker 1>I mean we've gone up the hill before on hip
<v Speaker 1>spelled not regularly, and we never really paid attention to
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. I never no, I before all this,
<v Speaker 1>I never heard anything around me. But the weird thing
<v Speaker 1>is is like after that event happened, I was having
<v Speaker 1>my I kept I was cracking my window, my bedroom
<v Speaker 1>window open, and I would hear wood knocks. I would
<v Speaker 1>be hearing I'd be I'd be hearing wood knocks at
<v Speaker 1>three three a m. In the morning coming from that hill.
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I also heard what what people called the
<v Speaker 1>t X screen. It's like it was like it was
<v Speaker 1>like a t rex lion war that happened. We had it.
<v Speaker 1>We had some neighbors. They had some kind of outside
<v Speaker 1>party behind us, and I had my window open, and
<v Speaker 1>I was on computer doing some work and had my
<v Speaker 1>window open, and I could hear I can hear them,
<v Speaker 1>you know, the party making noise. And then all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, I heard this loud lions t rex war.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it came from the hill. I just did
<v Speaker 1>it once and it was really loud, and I wish
<v Speaker 1>I had my I had a recorded running, but I
<v Speaker 1>just didn't think about it at the time. But it
<v Speaker 1>was one really loud two rex why and it's the
<v Speaker 1>best way I can describe it. The more that came
<v Speaker 1>from the mountain.
<v Speaker 3>There, That's an excellent way to describe it. Some friends
<v Speaker 3>of mine recorded it in Mississippi one year years ago,
<v Speaker 3>and unfortunately the recording was eventually lost by the person
<v Speaker 3>that had it. And then I heard it down in Texas.
<v Speaker 3>But I wasn't recording or anything. I wasn't even out researching.
<v Speaker 3>I was just at somebody's property and we were all
<v Speaker 3>hanging around the campfire talking. There was a large group
<v Speaker 3>of people. It was kind of a party, and I
<v Speaker 3>had just kind of stepped away from the campfire a
<v Speaker 3>little bit by myself and was just kind of standing there,
<v Speaker 3>zoning out, and I heard it and it was crazy.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 3>That one is probably the most impressive vocalization to me, because,
<v Speaker 3>like you're saying, it's like a roar. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing else out there that it could possibly be.
<v Speaker 3>I nothing that I can think of, unless there's lions
<v Speaker 3>in Mississippi, Texas and Washington, and not mountain lions, but
<v Speaker 3>actual lions. And it still seems like too loud to
<v Speaker 3>be that and like you're saying cross with like a
<v Speaker 3>t rex or something. It's just insane.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, No, it sounded more like an African lion,
<v Speaker 1>you know, not like all. I mean, of course we
<v Speaker 1>got mountain lions out here, but when I heard it
<v Speaker 1>was more like an African lion, you know, like a
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like that with a t rex. Basically,
<v Speaker 1>it was exactly like that. That's I guess that's the
<v Speaker 1>best way to describe it. Yeah, and it just do
<v Speaker 1>it once. For me, It just do it once and
<v Speaker 1>that was it. But I could hear it over the crowd.
<v Speaker 1>I could hear it over the people making the noise
<v Speaker 1>next but you know, next to me over here.
<v Speaker 3>Did they seem to react to it?
<v Speaker 1>I know they didn't. I think there's so you know, no,
<v Speaker 1>they didn't react to it. They kept talking and making,
<v Speaker 1>you know, their own noise. But I could hear it
<v Speaker 1>over I could hear it over top of them. You know,
<v Speaker 1>it was crazy. It was it was crazy to hear what.
<v Speaker 3>Parents think about the peanut butter in the recording.
<v Speaker 1>Uh my mom, was really excited about it. My dad
<v Speaker 1>was thinking, well, he obviously you know, he thought the
<v Speaker 1>peanut butter thing was weird, but he was thinking that
<v Speaker 1>the humming sound was maybe it was a hummingbirder or
<v Speaker 1>a month or something like that. But but yeah, they
<v Speaker 1>were both really perplexed about the peanut butter. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>we don't have any homeless people up there, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's like how many people are gonna be putting their
<v Speaker 1>hand the peanut butter jar with that? And like you said,
<v Speaker 1>the German reges looked pretty big. So yeah, it was
<v Speaker 1>definitely a mystery. And you know, again like you know,
<v Speaker 1>this is after my dad was doing as he heard
<v Speaker 1>the whoops, So I a connection there. But this really,
<v Speaker 1>like this really jump started our interest in researching, you know,
<v Speaker 1>especially my mother and I. She really got excited about it.
<v Speaker 1>So it's really the catalyst for our research, uh, you know,
<v Speaker 1>getting us into research big for research. The funny thing
<v Speaker 1>is is like we had this recording for a while,
<v Speaker 1>but we didn't know who to share it to or
<v Speaker 1>take it to or because I you know, I still
<v Speaker 1>didn't I still don't even know if it is Bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>that I have recorded on there, so I didn't know
<v Speaker 1>who to take it to or share it with. So
<v Speaker 1>we had it with us for a long time, and
<v Speaker 1>we eventually did. I eventually did share it out to
<v Speaker 1>people after getting on Facebook and getting online and talking
<v Speaker 1>with people, and I was actually able to share it
<v Speaker 1>with other people. And then they then we know people
<v Speaker 1>who've had this home recording too, or you know who
<v Speaker 1>have heard this before. But anyway, so like yeah, so
<v Speaker 1>after so after that we got that recording though my mom,
<v Speaker 1>My mom came in contact with Barbship and we started
<v Speaker 1>going on campus with her group around Washington State. Her
<v Speaker 1>area basically her area is near Mountaineer, so we were
<v Speaker 1>kind of camping around the Mountaineer with her group, and
<v Speaker 1>one of the areas that we uh camp as was
<v Speaker 1>an area called Bumping Lake, which I didn't know anything
<v Speaker 1>about until I met burb until she took us up there.
<v Speaker 1>But apparently Bumping Lake was a hotspot yeah with big footers,
<v Speaker 1>and I had no I and honestly, at the time,
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really know very much about Washington's big like
<v Speaker 1>where to go for bigfoot. I've heard of some places
<v Speaker 1>like some homeless Washington and of course mount right near
<v Speaker 1>so she took us. She took us up there for
<v Speaker 1>a camping trip later, like that's the fall that the
<v Speaker 1>Fall of the two thousand see twenty sixteen. Yeah, open
<v Speaker 1>in October twenty sixteen, and we camped up there and
<v Speaker 1>then along the lake. And that's another thing too. I
<v Speaker 1>didn't know about possible footprints on the lakes, you know,
<v Speaker 1>where people could find them, But she found the group
<v Speaker 1>found some footprints of like a track with the footprints
<v Speaker 1>up there with us. And the thing is, like Bumping
<v Speaker 1>Lake is a really popular spot for just keep them campers.
<v Speaker 1>So we did find some prints that were kind of
<v Speaker 1>medium sized and actually some really small sized prints up there.
<v Speaker 1>But to this day, I don't know if they were
<v Speaker 1>big footprints. So they might they could have been people
<v Speaker 1>prints because there's a lot of people that go around
<v Speaker 1>the lake. But I also want to say that she
<v Speaker 1>took us. She started taking us to these these primitive
<v Speaker 1>camp these primitive primitive campsites up there, and a couple
<v Speaker 1>of these I'll just say the names because they're kind
<v Speaker 1>of well, they're kind of well in the big Foot community.
<v Speaker 1>One of the two of the camp sites that are
<v Speaker 1>a California camp in Rock Camp and that's where I've
<v Speaker 1>gotten most of my audio recordings from the big event.
<v Speaker 1>Well I'll get to that in a minute. But uh,
<v Speaker 1>other than finding those prints on the on the lake,
<v Speaker 1>we didn't really have any activity that year. But the
<v Speaker 1>next year we went back to Rock Camp. I started
<v Speaker 1>putting on my auto recorder out there. It's a place
<v Speaker 1>called Rock Camp. And Rock Camp has like this little
<v Speaker 1>hill that's above the camp ground, above the camp sites,
<v Speaker 1>in the campfire, and and there's basically just forced right
<v Speaker 1>behind the camp and so, and there's a mountain side
<v Speaker 1>there too, So I'm thinking I was thinking possibly that
<v Speaker 1>the if the Sasquats or the Sasquatch are coming down
<v Speaker 1>from the mountain. And it's also a hunting camp. There's
<v Speaker 1>a lot of hunters that grew up in there, up
<v Speaker 1>in these primitive camps, and I think maybe the big
<v Speaker 1>flag are actually coming down to check out you know,
<v Speaker 1>deer carcasses and things like that the hunters gather, right,
<v Speaker 1>so I think, I think, uh, I think that's what
<v Speaker 1>they're doing. So anyway, so uh, Biano campter, I think
<v Speaker 1>the big flier kind of person themselves above camp and
<v Speaker 1>watch people at the campfire down below. And so I
<v Speaker 1>was putting up. I was putting I got a task camp.
<v Speaker 1>I was spreading up a task cam up on this hill,
<v Speaker 1>and I started collecting these what I call speech speech
<v Speaker 1>audio on it and native some kind of the native.
<v Speaker 1>To me, it sounds like a native language. That's the
<v Speaker 1>best way I can describe it. It's not exactly what
<v Speaker 1>the sera sounds. It's small. It sounds small, like some
<v Speaker 1>kind of weird native language. And like I said, there's
<v Speaker 1>new other campus behind us there, so I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>it's hard for me to say that it could have
<v Speaker 1>been people making these noises because there's nobody behind us
<v Speaker 1>this campsite. But uh, but but on these on these
<v Speaker 1>audio recordings, you hear like kind of sounds like singing,
<v Speaker 1>like the on female singing, and also making uh clacking
<v Speaker 1>sounds and some wood knocks. And there's also other sounds
<v Speaker 1>called like the zipper sounds I was capturing, almost like
<v Speaker 1>a mimic of a zipper. It wasn't an actual it
<v Speaker 1>wasn't an actual zipper, but it sounded like some kind
<v Speaker 1>of weird mimic of a zipper. And we also, uh,
<v Speaker 1>there was one time at the campfire were we had
<v Speaker 1>like a group of people around this campfire, and one
<v Speaker 1>of my friends at the campfire went boo ha and
<v Speaker 1>then up on the hill and we all we all
<v Speaker 1>heard this too, because that you could hear it. Something
<v Speaker 1>mimicked bouh back in its own way. And I actually
<v Speaker 1>got that on audio, and it's really weird because he
<v Speaker 1>goes law kind of like in a primate kind of
<v Speaker 1>a tone. Yeah, it basically mimic that back to us,
<v Speaker 1>and we all heard it. In fact, if you listen
<v Speaker 1>to recording, you can hear somebody say did you hear that?
<v Speaker 1>And we said, yeah, we could hear it. So I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what's going on. But if these are sasquatch,
<v Speaker 1>I think I personally think these could be juveniles coming
<v Speaker 1>in and checking us out. I think they might be
<v Speaker 1>more curious about campers being in there.
<v Speaker 3>Whenever you heard this stuff happening as you're recording it, like,
<v Speaker 3>what were you thinking? What was running through your head?
<v Speaker 3>Did you think, you know, like somebody was messing with
<v Speaker 3>you at first? Or did you pretty much know that
<v Speaker 3>it must be a bigfoot?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, given the circumstances of where we were in
<v Speaker 1>terms of the area, I mean, like I mentioned, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like behind it is basically just a bunch of forests
<v Speaker 1>in this mountain side. So I had a feeling that
<v Speaker 1>there weren't any other campers you know, in that spot
<v Speaker 1>up and there. So I was thinking, yeah, I was
<v Speaker 1>thinking this could be possibly bigfoot, even though I didn't
<v Speaker 1>see it. You know, That's the other thing too, It's
<v Speaker 1>tough for me to claim these things playing my audio
<v Speaker 1>and any evidence I have it's being bigfoot because I
<v Speaker 1>didn't see them make it. But I'm definitely not rolling
<v Speaker 1>out the possibility here, especially in these areas where people
<v Speaker 1>have had non activity, you know, reported activity. You know,
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, what else could it be? Well, who
<v Speaker 1>else could it be? I mean, were these case of
<v Speaker 1>campers pranking us? We are these other campers because we're
<v Speaker 1>all we are all accounted for at the campfire. And
<v Speaker 1>besides them that momic I was telling me about, I
<v Speaker 1>can't hear. We couldn't hear any of these other sounds
<v Speaker 1>that I was talking about, like the same sound and
<v Speaker 1>the zipper sound, and this the chattering, some of the
<v Speaker 1>chattering that was going on. We couldn't hear any of
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. Only my audio recorder up on that hill
<v Speaker 1>was picking that up but the domnic we could hear.
<v Speaker 1>I think that whatever that thing was was closer to us,
<v Speaker 1>and so that's why we were able to hear it.
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of the audio, honestly, a lot of
<v Speaker 1>the audio and that I was capturing up there, we
<v Speaker 1>couldn't hear that in person. That's only when I ran
<v Speaker 1>it back, you know, when I listened to it afterwards,
<v Speaker 1>is when I was able to hear that kind of stuff,
<v Speaker 1>which is wild. I mean really well, it was just like,
<v Speaker 1>you's just no campus back there. Who the heck is
<v Speaker 1>doing this? Yeah, it wasn't us.
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's kind of the thing, you know, how
<v Speaker 3>people are on the internet. Whenever somebody presents evidence, whenever
<v Speaker 3>it comes to the type of evidence that you have
<v Speaker 3>these recordings and stuff, it really comes down to, at best,
<v Speaker 3>it was either a person or a bigfoot. You know,
<v Speaker 3>once everything else has been ruled out, that's as far
<v Speaker 3>as you can get unless you have an actual siding
<v Speaker 3>of something doing this. So then everybody is always like, well,
<v Speaker 3>it could have been a person. That's why I asked
<v Speaker 3>those type of questions, because you're there, you know, nobody
<v Speaker 3>else is camping in the area. You're the one that
<v Speaker 3>put the recorder out, you know, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 3>like all this stuff, You're going to process this at
<v Speaker 3>the time, and if there was a chance that it
<v Speaker 3>was just a person messing with you, I mean, that's
<v Speaker 3>typically where your brain goes first if that possibility exists,
<v Speaker 3>And from the sounds of it, that wasn't really a
<v Speaker 3>possibility in this case. Everyone was accounted for. There weren't
<v Speaker 3>other people in the area. So what are we left with?
<v Speaker 3>And you know, the audio is pretty amazing. I don't
<v Speaker 3>know what else it could have been.
<v Speaker 1>Me either. I mean, these are these are printed campsites,
<v Speaker 1>and I mean they're they're not very The next campsite
<v Speaker 1>from it, like California Camp is is like a mile
<v Speaker 1>away from it, like these are. These campsites are kind
<v Speaker 1>of dispersed. They're not like so close together. So like
<v Speaker 1>where we were at this Rock camp, for example, there
<v Speaker 1>is nobody else around us. I mean, it's just us
<v Speaker 1>within that camp there. So if somebody's out there at
<v Speaker 1>night walk hiking around, I mean that could be that
<v Speaker 1>could be my only other possible octination. If somebody's somehow
<v Speaker 1>walked over from another camp like California Camp at night
<v Speaker 1>hiked over to our camp through those woods and started
<v Speaker 1>messing with you know, messing with my audio there. But
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't impossible in my opinion.
<v Speaker 3>It does mean they had had to find the audio
<v Speaker 3>recorder and like knew what you were even recording for,
<v Speaker 3>or just you know, decided like, hey, let's just make
<v Speaker 3>these noises that just happened to be this same stuff
<v Speaker 3>that people report bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>Doing exactly exactly, and in Rock Camp, for example, is
<v Speaker 1>a pretty popular spot for big foots. They've there's been
<v Speaker 1>a lot of experiences there before, a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>you know, heard and seen things there, So it doesn't
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't. I guess that's why I wasn't too surprised
<v Speaker 1>that this could possibly be Because of that, I wasn't
<v Speaker 1>too surprised, you know, of the audio that I captured,
<v Speaker 1>but I was. I was really surprised with what kind
<v Speaker 1>of audio I was capturing them. Yeah, I wasn't. You
<v Speaker 1>don't know what to expect, but some of that stuff,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the singing stuff on there, I was like,
<v Speaker 1>what the heck?
<v Speaker 3>Uh, yeah, because it's not like you know, a lot
<v Speaker 3>of times people record audio where it's like, oh, well,
<v Speaker 3>that could have been a coyote or that could have
<v Speaker 3>been an owl, but that's not this kind of audio.
<v Speaker 4>These are voices, Yes, yeah they are, and they're just
<v Speaker 4>clacking and things in between, and the SNAr is and
<v Speaker 4>you know, like it sounds like some kind of weird
<v Speaker 4>language man, and it's and it's interesting because it's it
<v Speaker 4>doesn't exactly sound like.
<v Speaker 1>The serra sounds. Now I'm not saying that zero sounds
<v Speaker 1>aren't real or anything, but I just find it interesting that,
<v Speaker 1>you know, if these are if what wrong captured is
<v Speaker 1>actual Sasquatch sounds, then maybe those might be a different tribe.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know there correct wordage of this, but there
<v Speaker 1>might be a different species or tribe a big foot
<v Speaker 1>that he was dealing with, you know, and the CEA's
<v Speaker 1>over there, maybe in the Washington state area here, maybe
<v Speaker 1>we're dealing with a different quote unquote tribe or different
<v Speaker 1>species over here.
<v Speaker 3>And what I heard sounded very like you were saying,
<v Speaker 3>like a very tribal language. Like the only thing I
<v Speaker 3>have to compare it to is being in Oklahoma hearing
<v Speaker 3>like Native Americans, you know, speak their actual languages. It
<v Speaker 3>kind of has that same type of syllabus to it.
<v Speaker 3>And it sounded like like U two large male individuals
<v Speaker 3>with kind of gruff voices talking back and forth to
<v Speaker 3>one another. But it did not sound like the Sierra sounds.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 3>The zipper sound is another something that you know, I've
<v Speaker 3>heard a time or two, uh people talking about. I've
<v Speaker 3>never heard it again. What do you think the zipper
<v Speaker 3>sound is? Do you think that's a vocalization? Do you
<v Speaker 3>think that's like mimicking tint zippers?
<v Speaker 1>I personally think it could be some kind of form
<v Speaker 1>of small communication between them, because I've recorded that specific
<v Speaker 1>sound in different places around Washington State, in areas where
<v Speaker 1>Bigford has been reported. I think it's some kind of
<v Speaker 1>some kind of communication that they do with each other. Why,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know it. I mean, you know, it does
<v Speaker 1>sound like a mimic. Obviously, it does sound like a
<v Speaker 1>mimic of of a ten ziper. But I think it's
<v Speaker 1>something that they some kind of form of communication that
<v Speaker 1>they do. You know, why they do that, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>but it's I think it's interesting that I was able
<v Speaker 1>to capture that sound in different areas around Washington State,
<v Speaker 1>And I mean I captured and there's another area close
<v Speaker 1>to me where I captured that one night where it
<v Speaker 1>was just where it was just my mother and I
<v Speaker 1>in that same and on that same night, you can
<v Speaker 1>hear like these individuals walking by and you can hear
<v Speaker 1>that zipper sound being made with I think it's being
<v Speaker 1>made with the mouth, like it sounds like somebody with
<v Speaker 1>the mouth is making that mimicing that zipper sound as
<v Speaker 1>they're walking by. And at the same and that same night,
<v Speaker 1>within that same group, you can actually hear there's like
<v Speaker 1>something I think it might have been a male, but
<v Speaker 1>you can hear something with a real loud residence, like
<v Speaker 1>either breathing really hard or some kind of growling. But uh,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I I think it might have been.
<v Speaker 1>I think it might have been a possible group of
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch walking by my recorder and you can hear them
<v Speaker 1>kind of communicating with each other, and I think one
<v Speaker 1>of them might have been this big male or something
<v Speaker 1>with you know, breathing really deeply, kind of like a
<v Speaker 1>doors vader kind of a sound, because I know people
<v Speaker 1>people have heard that too, so I think, but yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I think that zupper sound is some kind of form
<v Speaker 1>of communication because like I said, I've I've captured that
<v Speaker 1>in different parts of Washington where or tried research the subject,
<v Speaker 1>and so it's just what it could be or what
<v Speaker 1>it means. I have no idea. Oh, but I do
<v Speaker 1>think they make a lot of different kinds of communication
<v Speaker 1>with their you know, vocally, you know, it's not just
<v Speaker 1>groups and things like that. There's probably other types of
<v Speaker 1>sounds that they that they do that maybe they they
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be as loud, you know, other things
<v Speaker 1>to hear them. But yeah, I do, I do think
<v Speaker 1>some kind of form the communication that they do.
<v Speaker 3>You mentioned not hearing a lot of the vocalizations other
<v Speaker 3>than that one mimic, but the audio recorder picked it up.
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that's just like a normal thing that
<v Speaker 3>you didn't hear it it was just out of earshot
<v Speaker 3>but closer to the audio recorder or do you think
<v Speaker 3>there's something kind of weird there going on. And the
<v Speaker 3>reason I asked that is because there have been numerous
<v Speaker 3>situations over the years where people have recorded audio where
<v Speaker 3>something showed up on the audio recording that they did
<v Speaker 3>not hear in person at the time, but should have,
<v Speaker 3>like especially whenever the audio recorders like on them when
<v Speaker 3>they recorded. Is it like that type situation or was
<v Speaker 3>it just something normal where it was just out of earshot.
<v Speaker 1>Well, in that situation, I think it was just out
<v Speaker 1>of earshot. But to the acoustics of this area, like
<v Speaker 1>the area where we're camping is kind of like a
<v Speaker 1>big bowl because you know, it's you got the mountains
<v Speaker 1>and you've got the lake nearby, So I think it's
<v Speaker 1>kind of like sound travels pretty well through there. So
<v Speaker 1>I think with the audio recorder it might have amplified,
<v Speaker 1>like when it was recording. The microphones are pretty sensitive
<v Speaker 1>on the on the on the task cam, so I
<v Speaker 1>think it was just picking you know, like I think
<v Speaker 1>the sound was traveling much better for the audio for
<v Speaker 1>the recorder to pick it up from wherever the because
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how far away these things were from
<v Speaker 1>the audio recorder, but they could have been pretty far
<v Speaker 1>back into the woodline, even further back. They could have
<v Speaker 1>been further back even from our camp at that point
<v Speaker 1>when they were making the singing sounds and even them
<v Speaker 1>talking to each other. I think in that instance, I
<v Speaker 1>think it was just a matter of the microphones picking
<v Speaker 1>them up from further away. But to your to your
<v Speaker 1>point about capturing audio when you're around yes, that's I
<v Speaker 1>have tons of examples of voices on my audio recorder
<v Speaker 1>that occurred like giving close up where even my mother
<v Speaker 1>and I were around and we had the audio audio
<v Speaker 1>recorder running and it would be picking up these voices
<v Speaker 1>even some really some of them are like really close
<v Speaker 1>up to the recorder and you know, we never saw anything.
<v Speaker 1>We were always It perplexes me, like how could this
<v Speaker 1>voice be so close to my recorder and I didn't
<v Speaker 1>see a damn thing like around me. But I think
<v Speaker 1>this recorder is actually AMPLI like when they record, they're
<v Speaker 1>actually amplifying the sound that's being you know, captured, because
<v Speaker 1>like I couldn't hear we could hear that stuff from person.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've captured like female voices and you know,
<v Speaker 1>male voices on my recorders and this sounds some of
<v Speaker 1>them sound crystal clitter, and it's like, well, were what
<v Speaker 1>were these guys? Were they hiding in the bushes or
<v Speaker 1>the downlow on the ground. I mean, how is my
<v Speaker 1>audio recorder able to pick them up? So well?
<v Speaker 3>Have you heard any words that you recognize?
<v Speaker 1>No, I know there's no. That's the other thing too.
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a you know, I'm going back to
<v Speaker 1>that native language thing. It's smart. It sounds more like
<v Speaker 1>a native language and kind of like a mumbling you know.
<v Speaker 1>Even some people have called it like the death death talking.
<v Speaker 1>It kind of sounds like that. It's always it's hard
<v Speaker 1>to discertain words out of it. You know, it's more
<v Speaker 1>like a you know, like eli English words. I can't
<v Speaker 1>even pick that up when I listened to it. It's
<v Speaker 1>more like a mumbling mumbling native tongue to them. But
<v Speaker 1>the thing is, it sounds humanoid, dish, if that makes sense.
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't sound like a primate. It sounds like a
<v Speaker 1>you know, some some kind of human talking. It kind
<v Speaker 1>of has a human tone tool. So that's it makes
<v Speaker 1>me wonder, you know, maybe these maybe the Bigfoot, maybe
<v Speaker 1>there's some big there are more primate than others, and
<v Speaker 1>there's more maybe there's big for that might be more
<v Speaker 1>humanoid than others. Because because I don't really I don't
<v Speaker 1>really hear a lot of primate kind of sounds coming
<v Speaker 1>from these things. It's more like a language. Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a structure of language.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's the thing that that's what makes a
<v Speaker 3>lot of this so perplexing, because I mean you have
<v Speaker 3>something where we're talking about, Okay, this thing talks, it
<v Speaker 3>has a language, right, But then earlier we were talking
<v Speaker 3>about a t rex roar that sounds like a lion.
<v Speaker 3>A human can't do that. A human can't do both.
<v Speaker 3>A human can do the talking, but we can't do
<v Speaker 3>the roar. And things that can do the roar can't
<v Speaker 3>do the talking. But these things, for whatever reason, seem
<v Speaker 3>to be able to do both.
<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah, it's like a mess of It's like a
<v Speaker 1>mess of a person, of a human and then something
<v Speaker 1>you know of an animal. It's kind of a I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you want to collect the missive link,
<v Speaker 1>but it's kind of like a hybrid of the two,
<v Speaker 1>you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you mentioned that, you know, you went out with
<v Speaker 3>Barbershop and her group, and you know, I don't want
<v Speaker 3>to push you know, her beliefs as your own or anything.
<v Speaker 3>I just know that there's some things where she, you know,
<v Speaker 3>has beliefs that are not exactly mainstream. Where where do
<v Speaker 3>you stand currently in your belief system? Do you go
<v Speaker 3>over into the areas of cloaking and all that, or
<v Speaker 3>are you a flesh and blood guy? Where are you at?
<v Speaker 1>Well? I've always been you know, I've always been kind
<v Speaker 1>of scientifically interested in, you know, because of dinosaurs and
<v Speaker 1>free stroke things. I've always had kind of like a
<v Speaker 1>scientific interest in these kind of like in these kind
<v Speaker 1>of subjects. So I've always had that perspective and kind
<v Speaker 1>of approach of a of flesh and blood. But at
<v Speaker 1>the same time, even after you know, knowing Barb and
<v Speaker 1>getting getting to know other people within her group and
<v Speaker 1>and and course going to these conferences and getting you know,
<v Speaker 1>getting to hear other people's experiences and and things that
<v Speaker 1>they've gone through, I'm definitely I'm open minded through the
<v Speaker 1>paranormal aspect of Bigfoot. I'm definitely open minded. But I
<v Speaker 1>I personally have never experienced any of these things myself.
<v Speaker 1>But but I'm open minded.
<v Speaker 5>To them until you know, until I experienced it, then
<v Speaker 5>you know, I would feel you know, then I then
<v Speaker 5>I can say, oh, I understand what you guys are experiencing,
<v Speaker 5>like cloaking and mind speak and in in things you know.
<v Speaker 1>Portals and things like that. I've never personally experienced that myself,
<v Speaker 1>so all I can all I can do is to
<v Speaker 1>leave an open mind through it. And you know, I
<v Speaker 1>I try to, Uh, I don't want taken these sides there.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I just try to take everything in. And
<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of the more important things about
<v Speaker 1>the big Foot community, if you want to call it that,
<v Speaker 1>that big community is instead of taking really sides about things,
<v Speaker 1>it's always good to hear everybody's perspective and opinion and
<v Speaker 1>and honestly, I mean, we're all in. We're all in
<v Speaker 1>this subject. I think we're trying to solve a mystery,
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's best that the way are in
<v Speaker 1>a way we kind of just accept our differences and
<v Speaker 1>you know, in our opinions on the subject at the
<v Speaker 1>same time kind of just work together and just respect it,
<v Speaker 1>respect each other's, you know, perspectives and opinions on the subject,
<v Speaker 1>and just try to come together in a way and
<v Speaker 1>try to figure this out together. I just don't think
<v Speaker 1>there's you know, there shouldn't be what I what I
<v Speaker 1>call it bigfoot politics. I don't think there should be
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot politics politics with the thing.
<v Speaker 3>People are very quick to dismiss people if they don't
<v Speaker 3>align with their train of thought on the subject, right.
<v Speaker 1>I mean I I and I personally don't think we're
<v Speaker 1>gonna we're not gonna be able to solve this subject.
<v Speaker 1>If we're just gonna be fighting with each other and
<v Speaker 1>be a difference with each other, I think it's important
<v Speaker 1>that we all just listen, you know, you like, if
<v Speaker 1>if you're a flesh and blood person, then at least
<v Speaker 1>be open minded, didn't at least listening to what other
<v Speaker 1>people have to say, even if you don't agree with them,
<v Speaker 1>you know, at least showing so showing uch other respect.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, like that's one great thing about
<v Speaker 1>these conferences is that you hear people from different you know,
<v Speaker 1>different perspectives on bigfoot sharing their experiences and you know,
<v Speaker 1>flesh and blood or paranormal. You know. I think it's
<v Speaker 1>great that they're doing that, and it's not just like
<v Speaker 1>one sided because really, like I I don't think the
<v Speaker 1>infighting and all that kind of thing is nobody should
<v Speaker 1>be doing that. We should just be focusing and focus
<v Speaker 1>on the subject of Bigfoot itself, like solving the mystery.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think any this whole fighting stuff like in
<v Speaker 1>these stops in my in my opinion. So that's the thing.
<v Speaker 1>Like I just try to be open minded to the
<v Speaker 1>paranormal side of it, and and hopefully i'll i mean,
<v Speaker 1>if they really, if there is a real paranormal side
<v Speaker 1>to big Foot with coloaking and mind speak, i'd like
<v Speaker 1>to experience it, but I just have yet to do so.
<v Speaker 1>So Yeah, one thing, one weird thing that's happened to me,
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think this is paranormal, but I've mentioned
<v Speaker 1>this on another on another podcast. But I was at
<v Speaker 1>Bumping Lake one year and ending rock camp and around
<v Speaker 1>nine in around nine pm at night, I was going
<v Speaker 1>to put a recorder up on this trail that's behind camp.
<v Speaker 1>It kind of goes up on it kind of goes
<v Speaker 1>up on this hill open to a rock slide. And
<v Speaker 1>as I was walking up this trail towards that hill,
<v Speaker 1>as I got closer with that hill where the walkslide is,
<v Speaker 1>I got hit with like this instinct in this fear,
<v Speaker 1>this fear of dread, Like it was like I was
<v Speaker 1>hitting a brick wall of fear. It just stopped me.
<v Speaker 1>It stopped me in my tracks, and I just had
<v Speaker 1>this feeling like if I kept going any further, something
<v Speaker 1>bad could happen to me. So it just stopped me
<v Speaker 1>writing my tracks and I just turned around and turned
<v Speaker 1>around and went right back to camp. But as I
<v Speaker 1>told this on another podcast. It was like a fear
<v Speaker 1>of feeling of dread. That's what it felt like to me,
<v Speaker 1>And I never I've never felt that before for something
<v Speaker 1>to stop me in my tracks like that and have
<v Speaker 1>me turn around.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you associate with a lot of researchers.
<v Speaker 3>Have you heard anybody else experience that at that location?
<v Speaker 1>M Uh, not that particular feeling. I mean people have seen,
<v Speaker 1>people have seen what they uh, people have seen shadows
<v Speaker 1>like soils of beans walking around camp. I mean that's
<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of stuff that they've been seeing. But
<v Speaker 1>nothing like that would stop them in their tracks or
<v Speaker 1>any kind of fear. David Ellis has an audio He
<v Speaker 1>played an IDEO recording that he got a bumping like
<v Speaker 1>of a possible bigfoot. He was in a he was
<v Speaker 1>in a van and he had something come up to
<v Speaker 1>his van and yank on his door handle, And he
<v Speaker 1>recorded this. He was inside the van. It was yanking
<v Speaker 1>on his door handle and growling and grumbling and talking
<v Speaker 1>in a really low language at the same time while
<v Speaker 1>pulling on his door van on the door handle. So
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff man. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but like all my years of researching. I never had
<v Speaker 1>that feeling like I need to stop what I'm doing
<v Speaker 1>and turn around. So I don't know why. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know why I got that primal instinct or why that
<v Speaker 1>hit me, but it did. And I just always thought
<v Speaker 1>that was weird. You know. It's not like something told
<v Speaker 1>me to do that. I wasn't told, you know, like
<v Speaker 1>this isn't mind speaker or anything. I just had this feeling.
<v Speaker 1>It was like a feeling of fear, and I just
<v Speaker 1>never felt that before. But I want to mention that
<v Speaker 1>to people because that's just something I've never experienced before
<v Speaker 1>or have since.
<v Speaker 3>I've seen people hit that invisible wall before. It was
<v Speaker 3>in an area that we were investigating down in Texas.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't experience it there, but I did experience it
<v Speaker 3>one time in Oklahoma, but it, I don't know, it
<v Speaker 3>didn't seem to be to the extent that a lot
<v Speaker 3>of people have experienced it. For myself, I was kind
<v Speaker 3>of in a situation where it was just I had
<v Speaker 3>no choice but to keep on going forward. I couldn't
<v Speaker 3>go backwards, So maybe that was part of it. I
<v Speaker 3>just psyched myself up a little bit, and I had
<v Speaker 3>my best friend with me, so it was okay. But yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that invisible wall is a weird one. I don't know
<v Speaker 3>if it's infrasound related or like pheromones or something you
<v Speaker 3>know that we're not detecting that just triggers it or what.
<v Speaker 3>But it's again one of those things that's been repeated
<v Speaker 3>time and time again by bigfooters as a strange experience
<v Speaker 3>like you're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I've never been sapped. I know people have
<v Speaker 1>been sapped, and I've never had that happen to me.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, and I don't know if that's like what
<v Speaker 1>you ever mentioned it. I don't know if that's even
<v Speaker 1>just fear thing. I don't even know if that's in
<v Speaker 1>for sound related. Maybe it could be. I mean, you know,
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe that's why you'll, yeah, maybe that's why you, like,
<v Speaker 1>a deer will be stopped in its tracks, for example,
<v Speaker 1>and then maybe a big fook can come up behind
<v Speaker 1>and grab it or something. So I don't know. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe they just part of their infra sound. I'm
<v Speaker 1>not sure.
<v Speaker 3>You sent me a bunch of files of evidence that
<v Speaker 3>you've collected over the years, and I wanted to ask
<v Speaker 3>you in particular about something the the handprint you cast it.
<v Speaker 3>What's the story behind those those.
<v Speaker 1>Those were casting at Bumping Lake. We went up with
<v Speaker 1>another Uh was that group? You know? That was a
<v Speaker 1>barks group. We went up with another group up there
<v Speaker 1>a few years ago. And we're walking along the walking
<v Speaker 1>on so like towards the towards the fall, they drained
<v Speaker 1>the lake like in the fall time. So like when
<v Speaker 1>they drain the lake, obviously a lot of the shoreline
<v Speaker 1>is exposed. And so we were walking along the lake
<v Speaker 1>lakeside along the bank up there, and we found these
<v Speaker 1>footprints up in there, and then we found they look
<v Speaker 1>like they look like really small, really small baby prints
<v Speaker 1>up in there, and one of the baby prints up
<v Speaker 1>in there had like a handprint associated with it, like
<v Speaker 1>maybe if I don't again, I don't know if these
<v Speaker 1>are big footprints up in there. That we were finding
<v Speaker 1>that one of them had a handprint down on the
<v Speaker 1>in the mud there, and the handprint, I mean, if
<v Speaker 1>you see it, it doesn't it looks kind of odd.
<v Speaker 1>It looks like the thumb is kind of divergent, very smaller,
<v Speaker 1>kind of separated from the main digits. So we were
<v Speaker 1>thinking maybe these might have been juvenile sasquatch making these
<v Speaker 1>prints up in there. But yeah, that was that was
<v Speaker 1>that handprint. It was something I've remember seen before. I've
<v Speaker 1>never seen a handprint they'll look like that before.
<v Speaker 3>I mean they're clearly handprints and human type, extremely small.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if they're a person, which I agree with you,
<v Speaker 3>they don't look typical human proportion of a hand. But
<v Speaker 3>if they are a person, then somebody was letting their
<v Speaker 3>small child run around barefoot and play in the mud
<v Speaker 3>in this lake in a very remote and rugged area.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, and you know even even even during in October,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like October November when it's cold out. Who's
<v Speaker 1>letting their kids do that when it's cold out. That's
<v Speaker 1>another thing too, like we're finding footprints during these kind
<v Speaker 1>of fall in winter times. I mean, you know, like
<v Speaker 1>some of those other prints I showed you or I
<v Speaker 1>sent to you, like some of those were found in
<v Speaker 1>November when it's ice oll and snow. I mean there's
<v Speaker 1>been snow tracks. And yeah, some of those prints, like
<v Speaker 1>some of those other prints I showed you, they're kind
<v Speaker 1>of like primate dish too, like the toes were elongated
<v Speaker 1>or really skinny. They don't look humanoid. In my opinion,
<v Speaker 1>they look really more like a primate.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They're also kind of that triangle shape like you
<v Speaker 3>A lot of bigfoot tracks you know, are very chunky
<v Speaker 3>with you know, a really wide hill and these have
<v Speaker 3>more of a narrow hill and wider forefoot. It seemed
<v Speaker 3>in the track impressions which the foot like that, who knows,
<v Speaker 3>you know, that's just the impression that it's leaving. However
<v Speaker 3>it's locomoting at the time. But that triangle kind of
<v Speaker 3>flared footprint is another thing that you know, people find
<v Speaker 3>all over the United States, probably all over the world,
<v Speaker 3>and it's definitely not again, human proportioned. It's very like
<v Speaker 3>you're saying, primate dish. The toes are elongated, very strange
<v Speaker 3>looking and shouldn't be where you're at. I mean, there
<v Speaker 3>should not be those tracks there. And there's nothing, you know,
<v Speaker 3>animal wise that could have left those tracks.
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, we don't got any primates out here,
<v Speaker 1>so you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's not a mistaken bear tracks, for instance,
<v Speaker 3>it's not a double impression of a moose like these
<v Speaker 3>are clearly you know, some sort of humanoid tracks.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, like I said, some of those are
<v Speaker 1>I was finding in November and out here. You know,
<v Speaker 1>I guess pretty I mean, right now, it's not that cold,
<v Speaker 1>but on that the time, I mean, it was pretty
<v Speaker 1>cold when I found some of those prints at the lake.
<v Speaker 1>And it's icy too, like these things were found in ice,
<v Speaker 1>so you could see the ice forming in some of
<v Speaker 1>the water there. So I mean, who was walking barefoot
<v Speaker 1>in these kind of conditions? I have no idea.
<v Speaker 3>And let's just say, you know, for sake of argument,
<v Speaker 3>you have mentioned, you know, Bumping Lake is some it's
<v Speaker 3>a known place. It is a hot spot for bigfoot activity,
<v Speaker 3>and therefore it's a hot spot for bigfoot researchers to
<v Speaker 3>go and investigate that. Lots of people know about Bumping
<v Speaker 3>Lake and go to Bumping Lake. It's not a secret.
<v Speaker 3>But if anybody, especially a bigfooter or ever, found hoaxing
<v Speaker 3>evidence out in the field like that for other bigfooters
<v Speaker 3>to find or something, which really doesn't make any sense
<v Speaker 3>because if somebody's going to hook some and they're going
<v Speaker 3>to do it for their own purposes, you know, so
<v Speaker 3>they can claim it. But but if anybody were discovered
<v Speaker 3>doing that, I mean, that's it for them, you know,
<v Speaker 3>bigot big flip funds over for you. Powell, you're getting
<v Speaker 3>plastered all over the internet, so, like you know, I
<v Speaker 3>just don't see that as a possibility either.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you could easily be caught after doing
<v Speaker 1>that for sure. Absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>I mean there's probably game cameras all over that place.
<v Speaker 3>You never know who's filming you out there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Even at this primitive campsit's just
<v Speaker 1>been I think there's been a lot more people going
<v Speaker 1>in there and living up cameras and even like I said,
<v Speaker 1>it's all these are also hunting camps. Yeah, so maybe
<v Speaker 1>you can hunters are even leaving them up for game.
<v Speaker 1>That's possible too. So and then you know, like I said,
<v Speaker 1>like Bumping Lake is being shared by people, a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people that come in a lot of families and
<v Speaker 1>you know, things like that. So it's I think it's
<v Speaker 1>I think what's going on is it could be a
<v Speaker 1>combination of people and bigfoot prints that you're seeing out
<v Speaker 1>there and this. Yeah, and if you know what you're
<v Speaker 1>looking for, you could probably you could probably discern what's
<v Speaker 1>big for them what it isn't. But but at the
<v Speaker 1>same time, like if these are juvenile prints that we're finding,
<v Speaker 1>they might be some of them might be more humanish
<v Speaker 1>than other kind of big footprints. I mean, that's the
<v Speaker 1>thing too. Like some of them you can definitely tell,
<v Speaker 1>like these aren't you know, they're really skinny looking. But
<v Speaker 1>there's some other ones that might be Maybe there might
<v Speaker 1>be ones that might look more human and that's kind
<v Speaker 1>of hard to find. It's kind of hard to figure out,
<v Speaker 1>like are these really people prints? Are bigfoot prints?
<v Speaker 3>What do you think it is about that particular area
<v Speaker 3>that makes it such a hot bed. Do you think
<v Speaker 3>they're coming there because of the people content, you know,
<v Speaker 3>entertainment purposes to see what cans are leaving behind or
<v Speaker 3>doing at the time, or is it just one of
<v Speaker 3>those areas that's just a good habitat for them.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really think it's it's basically I think it's
<v Speaker 1>a good habitat for them. You know, they got like
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, they got this mountain. They got these mountains
<v Speaker 1>kind of surrounding the lake in the area, so they
<v Speaker 1>can go up and down these mountains as they please,
<v Speaker 1>knowing that there's not gonna be a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>going up into the mountain areas, you know, where they're residing,
<v Speaker 1>so they can they could just come up and down
<v Speaker 1>go up and down these mountains and go to the
<v Speaker 1>lake and come down even for other you know, like
<v Speaker 1>for elk and deer, because you know, there's a lot
<v Speaker 1>of there's a lot of elk and deer in that area.
<v Speaker 1>You can hear them, you can see them. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, they got the lake, and they got
<v Speaker 1>these other creeks and streams around. It's like it's really
<v Speaker 1>like the perfect habitat for them. And Bumping Lake is
<v Speaker 1>like three thousand feet up. You know, you have to
<v Speaker 1>go you have to go up this past why just
<v Speaker 1>a couple of ways to get in there, but one
<v Speaker 1>of them is like you have to go up. You
<v Speaker 1>have to go up this pass couchok pass to get
<v Speaker 1>up there. One of the ways is and it's like
<v Speaker 1>three thousand feet up. And so I think, again I
<v Speaker 1>think Bigfoot they like elevation. I think I think they
<v Speaker 1>like high places. So I think Bumping Lake, for example,
<v Speaker 1>is basically the perfect habitat for them because they've got
<v Speaker 1>everything that they need. You know, they got water, they
<v Speaker 1>got you know, deer, they got vegetation there. You know,
<v Speaker 1>they got berries, they got fish. I mean, it's it's
<v Speaker 1>pretty much like a paradise for them up in there.
<v Speaker 1>And then at the same time, you know, like you mentioned,
<v Speaker 1>they got those hunters. So maybe when the hunters get
<v Speaker 1>a kill, maybe it's like ringing the dinner bill for
<v Speaker 1>the sasquatch, So maybe they'll come down and check them
<v Speaker 1>out too. And then you know, actually, you know, and
<v Speaker 1>as as time has gone on at Bumping like you know,
<v Speaker 1>more and more people, there's more campers that have gone
<v Speaker 1>in there. Yeah, maybe that also stirs up curiosity, But
<v Speaker 1>I personally think the big pot have just been up
<v Speaker 1>and there the whole time, and you know, people just
<v Speaker 1>happened to encroach their area and you know, camp there.
<v Speaker 1>And another thing I want to mention is that Bumpy
<v Speaker 1>Lake has had a few forest fires over the years,
<v Speaker 1>and I actually think the forest fires have kind of
<v Speaker 1>might have dispersed the Bigfoot out of there, or at
<v Speaker 1>least when something or maybe moved them further down. How
<v Speaker 1>do I like further down the forest? I think I
<v Speaker 1>think the forest fires that kind of moved them around
<v Speaker 1>the places. I'm trying to say, because the past few years,
<v Speaker 1>I haven't had as much activity as I used to,
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's because we've had these forest fires.
<v Speaker 3>There now is that your main research area or do
<v Speaker 3>you go other places?
<v Speaker 1>Uh? That is, that's one of my main research areas.
<v Speaker 1>And then that's where I've had the most activity. There
<v Speaker 1>is an area, there's an area near me a few
<v Speaker 1>minutes away on the mountain side that my mother and
<v Speaker 1>I have been researching for the past few years. But
<v Speaker 1>and that's in on this mountain side. That's where we
<v Speaker 1>caught this footage. And I don't know if you saw it,
<v Speaker 1>but we caught footage on this plot watcher. Plot watchers
<v Speaker 1>a camera. I don't know if they don't make them,
<v Speaker 1>but a plot watchers is like a time lapse camera
<v Speaker 1>that takes photos like every three to five seconds, and
<v Speaker 1>then when you watch it back, it's like a time lapse.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, really quick. Yeah, so you have
<v Speaker 1>to slow it. You have to slow it down in
<v Speaker 1>order to see what's going on. But in August at
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, we put we put one of these plot
<v Speaker 1>watchers up there in this spot, in this little goalie
<v Speaker 1>because we're seeing in this little goalie there, we're seeing
<v Speaker 1>a lot of footprints, a lot of traffic. And then
<v Speaker 1>going through the spot here in the scully area, we
<v Speaker 1>saw a lot of traffic in prints in the spot.
<v Speaker 1>So like, maybe we should put a camera up here
<v Speaker 1>and do some surveillance. So we put this plow watch
<v Speaker 1>up on a up on a stump that overlooked this gully,
<v Speaker 1>and we left it out there. And then when we
<v Speaker 1>and then we retrieved it. And then when we looked
<v Speaker 1>at it a few days after we left it up
<v Speaker 1>during the day in August twenty twenty, you see this
<v Speaker 1>thing running running through the this goalie, this area where
<v Speaker 1>we thought we saw the traffic, these prints, and to me,
<v Speaker 1>when you watch it back, I mean, as you keep watching.
<v Speaker 1>At first we thought it was a bear, but it
<v Speaker 1>looked weird. There's something it kind of look like. As
<v Speaker 1>you keep watching, it looked more like a gorilla. It
<v Speaker 1>looked like a gorilla and all like a gorilla in
<v Speaker 1>all fours walking by or running by. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if it was even running, but it goes by pretty
<v Speaker 1>quick on the camera, but it looks like it has
<v Speaker 1>long arms and it looks like it has a goroll
<v Speaker 1>like humanoid profile to it. It didn't look like a bear.
<v Speaker 1>It looked more I mean, again, the best way I
<v Speaker 1>could describe it as like a gorilla and of course
<v Speaker 1>we want golla out here.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it doesn't seem as compact as a bear
<v Speaker 3>to me. Yeah, like it's higher, like it's it's torso
<v Speaker 3>is higher off the ground or something. How long of
<v Speaker 3>a distance is that? Would you guess that it covers?
<v Speaker 1>I honestly, man, I don't know how long of a
<v Speaker 1>distance it could be. But it's it's I mean, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>for something that large, I mean it's uh, I mean
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty big. Yeah, it's it's definitly bigger than me.
<v Speaker 1>I don't I think. I mean, I think it goes
<v Speaker 1>through there and seconds. I think just because of how
<v Speaker 1>big it is, and you know what, it probably is
<v Speaker 1>going pretty fast for there.
<v Speaker 3>I mean it looks like it's hauling butt to me,
<v Speaker 3>like yeah, yeah. If you know the way that those
<v Speaker 3>cameras work, even if it's triggered every three or five
<v Speaker 3>seconds or whatever, that's it still seems like a pretty
<v Speaker 3>big distance to cover in that amount of time because
<v Speaker 3>between camera shots, I mean, it jumps across the screen.
<v Speaker 1>It does, Yeah, it does. And I'm glad there's a
<v Speaker 1>shot where I can I call it my three fifty
<v Speaker 1>two that there's a shot in the middle of the
<v Speaker 1>screen where you can you can really see it, like
<v Speaker 1>the form of it everything.
<v Speaker 3>And I don't see like a a bear profile. I
<v Speaker 3>don't see like a snout and all that.
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, yeah, you're right. I mean either I
<v Speaker 1>don't see the ears or a snout. Like you said,
<v Speaker 1>it kind of has like it's kind of arcs, like
<v Speaker 1>maybe like something like person slumped over or like a
<v Speaker 1>gorilla or it's over, you know what I mean. It's
<v Speaker 1>kind of like it's not it's not like straight on
<v Speaker 1>like a bear would be on all fours. It's it's
<v Speaker 1>got like a hump to it, you know, like a slope.
<v Speaker 1>It's got like it looks like it has like a
<v Speaker 1>slope to it.
<v Speaker 3>Did you go check for like tracks and all that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did, and but I can't I mean, in
<v Speaker 1>that terrain, I couldn't tell if that's what we did.
<v Speaker 1>But I cann't tell if that's what you know. I
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see real specific tracks in there. You can just
<v Speaker 1>see a lot of you see a lot of impressions
<v Speaker 1>here though, but I can't see anything that was like
<v Speaker 1>I could cast or make out per se was.
<v Speaker 3>Just pine and leaf litter, because I mean that's what
<v Speaker 3>it looks.
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, it's mostly just leaf. Yeah, it's mostly just
<v Speaker 1>leaf litter through there is. Yeah. Now I have seen
<v Speaker 1>in that same area, I have seen a seventeen minutes
<v Speaker 1>track I believe in that's not in that same spot
<v Speaker 1>where it ran through, but in that general area there
<v Speaker 1>I've seen and I measured it. It was a seventeen
<v Speaker 1>inch track. I couldn't cast it because of the terrain
<v Speaker 1>in there, but those those that was the largest. That's
<v Speaker 1>the largest track I've ever seen in person or found,
<v Speaker 1>I should say it was seventeen inches. It was. It
<v Speaker 1>was pretty crazy looking.
<v Speaker 3>Did you do any like comparisons to try and figure
<v Speaker 3>out how big the thing was?
<v Speaker 1>I did do. We try to recreate it with me,
<v Speaker 1>and I just look really small compared to it. We
<v Speaker 1>didn't do any heighte measurements or anything like that though
<v Speaker 1>I've been I mean in terms of like where it was,
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't do any height measurements. But also do you
<v Speaker 1>want to mention like we've I've actually put a game
<v Speaker 1>camera down in a goalie where that thing ran by,
<v Speaker 1>and on the game camera we didn't get any we
<v Speaker 1>didn't get any images, but it would black out sometimes
<v Speaker 1>it would blackout and go back to normal again, like
<v Speaker 1>something was passing through and you would distort the image
<v Speaker 1>and then the image would go back to you would
<v Speaker 1>go back to normal again. So I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>that's related, but I always thought that was where that
<v Speaker 1>sometimes you go like a black screen and then you'll
<v Speaker 1>go back to normal again, like something for whatever reason,
<v Speaker 1>messes with it as it's going by. But we could
<v Speaker 1>we could not, you know, we couldn't duplicate that again.
<v Speaker 1>We couldn't get that thing again on camera. But I
<v Speaker 1>do want to mention. I do want to mention though,
<v Speaker 1>that we we try putting up a plot watcher again
<v Speaker 1>in that same spot on the following spring, and I
<v Speaker 1>was thinking, No, I had this idea that maybe the
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch or watching people put up equipment. And I had
<v Speaker 1>an idea and I don't know why, but I did it.
<v Speaker 1>But above us, there's like there's a stump above us,
<v Speaker 1>above the goalie that overlooked the goalie. And I put
<v Speaker 1>an audio recorder on the stump and had a running
<v Speaker 1>while my mother and I were putting the plot watcher again.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know what's going on, but like on
<v Speaker 1>the recorder, after I leave it up there, and after
<v Speaker 1>I'm helping my mom put up the plot watcher down below,
<v Speaker 1>you start hearing these these voices come in and they
<v Speaker 1>start talking to each other on the record. They actually
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like they come up close to the recorder,
<v Speaker 1>at least close to the stump, and they're doing that
<v Speaker 1>same kind of native language talk again. It's like mumbling
<v Speaker 1>and little tiny kind of sounds. It was really weird.
<v Speaker 1>They sounded like multiple individuals and you can hear them
<v Speaker 1>talking amongst each other for like a little bit, and
<v Speaker 1>then missus in fifteen. This goes on for like fifteen minutes,
<v Speaker 1>and after fifteen minutes, my mother and I come back
<v Speaker 1>up to the recorder and they you know, I didn't
<v Speaker 1>see anything. I never saw anything or heard anything while
<v Speaker 1>I was down there. I didn't you know, if I did,
<v Speaker 1>I would have I would have seen these things. So
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It was weird because like I had
<v Speaker 1>a feeling that like these things might have come come
<v Speaker 1>in and Walt, I don't know what it was, man,
<v Speaker 1>but like I had just feeling like maybe these things
<v Speaker 1>would be coming in watching us, and so I I
<v Speaker 1>just happened to put this recorder up on a stump
<v Speaker 1>and like all this, you know, as I was listening
<v Speaker 1>back to it, that's what happened. Like these things came in.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's Bigfoot. This group of individuals
<v Speaker 1>comes in and they start talking amongst each other, but
<v Speaker 1>you can't understand a word they're saying. As we're living
<v Speaker 1>the area and I was hitting, I was wood knocking
<v Speaker 1>as I was leaving the area. But on the recorder
<v Speaker 1>you can actually hear something or somebody or something actually
<v Speaker 1>knocked back and they make like a vocalization after they
<v Speaker 1>do a woodknock, and it wasn't It was like it
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like a female voice, but it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>me and my mother. This was like after we've left that,
<v Speaker 1>you know, out of hearing range, so you can actually
<v Speaker 1>hear that though, which was crazy. It was crazy to
<v Speaker 1>hear that on the audio.
<v Speaker 3>So strange. Man, How they they I don't know. It's
<v Speaker 3>almost like they try to interact, but at the same
<v Speaker 3>time not enough to let you know that they're there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Well, I just think they're really curious of people.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's the thing with the game cameras,
<v Speaker 1>like I think people I think they're watching people put
<v Speaker 1>up game cameras, and maybe that's why they know to
<v Speaker 1>avoid them. It's not maybe it's not just the whole
<v Speaker 1>ir thing or you know, I'm sure they see the
<v Speaker 1>game cameras, but I just have a feeling that they're
<v Speaker 1>watching people put up the equipment like audio recorders, game cameras,
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And they don't even know, you know, people,
<v Speaker 1>these people don't even know that or they don't even
<v Speaker 1>they're not even thinking that that they could be being
<v Speaker 1>watched by something.
<v Speaker 3>Total speculation that I know you don't have the end
<v Speaker 3>all answer for, but I just out of curiosity. Do
<v Speaker 3>you think that they know we're aware of them? Like,
<v Speaker 3>do you think there's a chance that they know whenever
<v Speaker 3>you and your mother go out there that you're looking
<v Speaker 3>for them?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I do, because like I think, you know, I
<v Speaker 1>think they can kind of discern like when the hunter
<v Speaker 1>is out there, you know, like they you know, when
<v Speaker 1>they see a gun, the guy who's the gun walking
<v Speaker 1>around and doing their thing, and then when they see
<v Speaker 1>my mother and I going out there, you know, sometimes
<v Speaker 1>like making noise like lidnocks and noises as we leave,
<v Speaker 1>or if we're putting peanut butter out or you know,
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to find a spot where we could eve
<v Speaker 1>a record out or a game camera out. I think
<v Speaker 1>I do think they know the difference, and I think
<v Speaker 1>I think they can tell, you know, that we could
<v Speaker 1>possibly be looking for them. I think that's the other
<v Speaker 1>thing too, Like that's why I personally think it's it's
<v Speaker 1>best to try to bring them to us as supposed
<v Speaker 1>to going after them, because I don't think they like
<v Speaker 1>they don't like the idea of being hunted, so to speak. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you know, if most of my most of my interactions
<v Speaker 1>and activity have come from just trying to stir up
<v Speaker 1>curiosity for them to come in as opposed to going
<v Speaker 1>us going after them, you know, trying to you know,
<v Speaker 1>walking around at night. I don't know if that really works.
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like they're hunting time, right, they don't
<v Speaker 1>want to be hunted by people. It's really best to
<v Speaker 1>try to bring them to you as opposed to going
<v Speaker 1>after them.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if I'm wanting to catch an Olympic runner,
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to try to chase them, you know,
<v Speaker 3>that's pointless, Like you're not going to like out with
<v Speaker 3>them or out maneuver them in their own environment, that's
<v Speaker 3>just never going to happen. So I'm with you. I'm
<v Speaker 3>definitely of the school of thought that it's probably a
<v Speaker 3>better idea to try to bring them to you than
<v Speaker 3>for you to try to chase them around in the
<v Speaker 3>woods at night. Right.
<v Speaker 1>And for whatever reason, I think, I don't think they
<v Speaker 1>mind audio recorders as much as other types of equipment,
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like cameras. They don't seem to be
<v Speaker 1>as bothered by audio recorders for some reason, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like why if it's making these noises that I'm capturing,
<v Speaker 1>why they allow me? Why are there? Why are they
<v Speaker 1>allowing me to do that? I don't know. Yeah, in
<v Speaker 1>July twenty twenty, and my mother and I wanted to
<v Speaker 1>go to we wanted to go to Bumping Lake and
<v Speaker 1>it's just Turr and I and like I mentioned earlier,
<v Speaker 1>one of the one of the printive campsites up there
<v Speaker 1>is called California Camp. And that's because Cliff and Bubo
<v Speaker 1>were up there, and you know, Bulbo was got was
<v Speaker 1>from California, and Barticatino too was up and there. So
<v Speaker 1>I think it's based on them being from California. That's
<v Speaker 1>what it's called California Camp. Well that's where Bart that's
<v Speaker 1>where Barcatino got his thermal up there too, at California.
<v Speaker 1>So you know, we knew about the area. We knew
<v Speaker 1>we've had activity at California Camp before. In fact, I
<v Speaker 1>caught a vocal up there where it was like a
<v Speaker 1>female voice that goes whoa. And that happened at midnight
<v Speaker 1>one night when I was camping up there and there's
<v Speaker 1>no he was just meaning this other researcher at the
<v Speaker 1>campfire and everybody else was asleep. There's nobody else around,
<v Speaker 1>and we heard this and I just happened to hear
<v Speaker 1>this whoa, this like female voice coming from the forest,
<v Speaker 1>like it was coming out of the forest. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's totally normal. And it was like one It was
<v Speaker 1>just like one call too, it didn't keep going on
<v Speaker 1>and on. So that was my first my first recording
<v Speaker 1>at California Camp. That was my first interaction of activity there.
<v Speaker 1>So my mother and I, so like a year or
<v Speaker 1>so later in twenty twenty, my mother and I went
<v Speaker 1>up there and it was just Tyrn I and we
<v Speaker 1>camped overnight there and throughout you know, we weren't basically
<v Speaker 1>the thing too late I always expecting unexpected when you're
<v Speaker 1>big footing, because you you never know if anything's going
<v Speaker 1>to happen, because like ninety percent of the time you
<v Speaker 1>go out there when you're big footing, there's no nothing
<v Speaker 1>really happens. It's not like what you see on TV.
<v Speaker 1>And it's not like you know, there's no there's no
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot experts, just like you don't know when something's going
<v Speaker 1>to happen because a lot of times nothing happens when
<v Speaker 1>you go out there. So, you know, throughout the day,
<v Speaker 1>we just sat around camp. It was hot out, there
<v Speaker 1>was mosquitos. We tried to swap mosquitos, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's just like a reg our camp out. We didn't
<v Speaker 1>think anything would happen that night. So I had had
<v Speaker 1>the task on that I mentioned before. I had the
<v Speaker 1>task came out on my mom's truck and I had
<v Speaker 1>and I had two other smaller recorders on some trees,
<v Speaker 1>and so I had three recorders running. But one of
<v Speaker 1>them died during the night, but the other two recorders to
<v Speaker 1>task him. This other recorder was recorded all night. So
<v Speaker 1>that that night, when my mother and I were sleeping
<v Speaker 1>in our in our tent, at around two o'clock in
<v Speaker 1>the morning and I was asleep. We were both asleep
<v Speaker 1>at two o'clock in the morning. This really loud male
<v Speaker 1>blue pal I called the blue pal. It kind of
<v Speaker 1>sounds like I don't know if you've heard this homeless
<v Speaker 1>recording from back in the seventies, but that's the closest
<v Speaker 1>thing I could say. This sounded like it sound like
<v Speaker 1>a like a male voice, but it does like a
<v Speaker 1>loop how kind of a sound, kind of like what's
<v Speaker 1>on the Snowhormis recordings. And that thing pipes off first.
<v Speaker 1>It was really loud. And that's the other thing. So
<v Speaker 1>this this is the lot ofest thing I've ever heard
<v Speaker 1>like this, this event, it was a lot It was
<v Speaker 1>like being at a concert because, like I mentioned, this
<v Speaker 1>area that we were in was like a bowl. It's
<v Speaker 1>like any sound that occurs in this area here is
<v Speaker 1>gonna be bounced off the mountain and it's gonna it's
<v Speaker 1>gonna be like being inside a concert stadium, like an auditorium.
<v Speaker 1>It was so freaking loud. So that thing is so
<v Speaker 1>this thing chimes off first and immediately I, like I said,
<v Speaker 1>like from the Snowhorma's recordings I had and I knew
<v Speaker 1>what this could have been. Like, I knew this it
<v Speaker 1>did something. It didn't sound like a coyote or any
<v Speaker 1>known animal that I was, you know, any it did
<v Speaker 1>sound like an elk or a coyote. To me, I
<v Speaker 1>knew what this could have been. So after this guy
<v Speaker 1>does its thing, a few seconds later on the record,
<v Speaker 1>I see hearing the recording, you start hearing these what
<v Speaker 1>I think are possible juvenile and female vocalizations go off,
<v Speaker 1>and they just pipe off together, and it's like it's
<v Speaker 1>like a freaking chorus. That's what the best way I
<v Speaker 1>can describe it. And this this goes on for like
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes, almost like a half hour, NonStop, and that
<v Speaker 1>male vocal comes back in again during it. And unfortunately,
<v Speaker 1>my mother doesn't have the best hearing. She didn't even
<v Speaker 1>have hearing aids at the time. So I tried. She
<v Speaker 1>wanted me, like she told me before she went to bed,
<v Speaker 1>I fact I hear anything, get her up so she
<v Speaker 1>can listen to it. Well, when this happened, I tried
<v Speaker 1>getting her up, And I don't know if you listen
<v Speaker 1>to the full recording, but you know, I did kind
<v Speaker 1>of frustrated with her because she's I got her. I
<v Speaker 1>woke her up and said, Mom, can you hear this?
<v Speaker 1>Can you hear this? She said, no, I can't hear it.
<v Speaker 1>Which was crazy to me because this is like A said,
<v Speaker 1>this was the loudest thing I've ever heard, because like
<v Speaker 1>the lung the lung capacity of these things was it
<v Speaker 1>was insane. I mean the fact that they were calling
<v Speaker 1>out so loud and and and so much like there
<v Speaker 1>was barely any breaks in between. They just kept going
<v Speaker 1>and going and going. And I was like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>if this was a person, if this was a person
<v Speaker 1>doing this, like, how could they have this kind of
<v Speaker 1>lung capacity? I mean, how could they be you know,
<v Speaker 1>if they're call blasting this, Like where do they get
<v Speaker 1>this calls from? Or you know, is somebody out there
<v Speaker 1>with a freaking microphone and speaker system, because like, I
<v Speaker 1>just gonna believe somebody would be you know, if this
<v Speaker 1>was a hoax or if this was somebody called blasting,
<v Speaker 1>I just can't believe they'd be doing that NonStop for
<v Speaker 1>like a half hour without any breaks in between. You know,
<v Speaker 1>let's know what they were call blasting and stopped and
<v Speaker 1>listened for her response. It just kept going and going
<v Speaker 1>and so it was just amazing, man, Like I just
<v Speaker 1>sat there. And that's another that's another thing too. Uh,
<v Speaker 1>I was afraid to get out of my tent because
<v Speaker 1>I was actually I think you can hear it on
<v Speaker 1>the on the full recording too. But I think there
<v Speaker 1>might have been something outside our tent messing. We had
<v Speaker 1>some lawn chairs that were outside our tent. I think
<v Speaker 1>something was messing with our lawn chairs too, and so, uh,
<v Speaker 1>I think there might have been. What I'm saying is
<v Speaker 1>I think there might have been something outside our tent
<v Speaker 1>at the same time at the same time. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I do so. In these vocalizations, I think we're coming
<v Speaker 1>from across the road from us in this area, in
<v Speaker 1>this area in uh, there's like a swampy metal area
<v Speaker 1>in this camp area behind us, across the road, and
<v Speaker 1>I personally think that's where these were coming from, Like
<v Speaker 1>they were coming from that part of the that part
<v Speaker 1>of the lake, that part of the area, because it
<v Speaker 1>sounded like it was coming from They're coming from behind
<v Speaker 1>my direction. They were behind me. They weren't in our campsite.
<v Speaker 1>They were like around towards the lake swamp area side.
<v Speaker 3>Did they sound like they were moving at all?
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's the thing too. I think, yeah, I do. Actually,
<v Speaker 1>I do think they're moving through that swamp area. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I do. I do think so. I do think they
<v Speaker 1>were moving. I think there they might have been. No,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they're all together, but I had
<v Speaker 1>a feeling that the female and the possible juvenile sounds
<v Speaker 1>were moving, maybe towards the male. That's what I was
<v Speaker 1>thinking of, because they weren't all in one direction. It's
<v Speaker 1>like separate directions from each other. I think they're separated.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, as you here on the audio, it's
<v Speaker 1>like it's pretty much NonStop. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>in the volume of it, I mean, you know, you
<v Speaker 1>really have to hear that in person. It's just it's
<v Speaker 1>it was just unbelievable, you know. And I've never heard
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of anything like that before it. I mean, uh,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, like I said, but you're
<v Speaker 1>saying like it could be one of two things. It
<v Speaker 1>could either be saskatch or or people doing it. But like,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how the heck people could be doing that.
<v Speaker 1>It just didn't make sense to me, you know. And
<v Speaker 1>and if there were if there are other campers around.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't see any reports. You know, I
<v Speaker 1>didn't see anything on vf R O. I don't I'm
<v Speaker 1>just kind of shocked that nobody else reported hearing these,
<v Speaker 1>But I'm so happy that I was able to record
<v Speaker 1>them on on the task camp. That's that was like
<v Speaker 1>the best audio recorder that I had at the time.
<v Speaker 1>It was quite the event, man, Like, yeah, yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 1>It was beautiful. It was beautiful to listen to, but
<v Speaker 1>also crazy and kind of at the same time, kind
<v Speaker 1>of scary to listen to at the same time. And
<v Speaker 1>you know, and this was in the middle of July,
<v Speaker 1>so you know, people wonder like, well, what is going
<v Speaker 1>like why are they doing this? And you know, who
<v Speaker 1>knows if it's a mournful thing or a cheerful thing
<v Speaker 1>that they're doing. And again, I don't know if this
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot making these sounds, but I'm just saying, you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's definitely a possibility. So, you know, if
<v Speaker 1>it is bigfoot, what is the reason, why why are
<v Speaker 1>they doing that sort of thing? I don't know, I
<v Speaker 1>really don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to have to send you something. Whenever I
<v Speaker 3>heard the recording, I don't remember how I came across
<v Speaker 3>it because I was told about your recording and it
<v Speaker 3>was described to me, and then I heard it. I
<v Speaker 3>don't remember where I heard it at though, but whenever
<v Speaker 3>I heard it, I was like, that sounds like this
<v Speaker 3>one thing. I actually have a friend that, in my opinion,
<v Speaker 3>recorded something extremely similar like it, very very similar. I
<v Speaker 3>did not have the forethought to ask them for permission
<v Speaker 3>to play their audio, so I didn't have it prepared
<v Speaker 3>or anything for you to listen to. But I will
<v Speaker 3>after we wrap up here, probably tomorrow, I'll track it
<v Speaker 3>back down because I did find it. They do have
<v Speaker 3>it posted on YouTube on their YouTube channel, so I'll
<v Speaker 3>be able to send it to you and then if
<v Speaker 3>you want to be put into contact with them, you know,
<v Speaker 3>to compare notes or whatever like that can be arranged
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. But yeah, I'm really interested in getting your
<v Speaker 3>feedback on it and seeing what you think, because to me,
<v Speaker 3>it sounds very similar, and it's one of those situations
<v Speaker 3>where it's like that audio has stood out to me
<v Speaker 3>over the years as some of the strangest stuff I've
<v Speaker 3>ever heard. I know the people personally that recorded it,
<v Speaker 3>I know the situation and the story behind it and
<v Speaker 3>everything and I remember whenever they recorded it, and it's just,
<v Speaker 3>you know, one of those things we're like, oh man,
<v Speaker 3>that's crazy, Like I've never heard anything like that, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and it would have been absolutely terrifying. And then here
<v Speaker 3>we are, years and years and years later and I'm
<v Speaker 3>directed towards your audio and I listened to it, and
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh my god, that's the same thing. The
<v Speaker 3>caveat to that is you recorded years in Washington and
<v Speaker 3>they recorded theirs in East Texas. Oh okay, so what
<v Speaker 3>does that you know? So yeah, this might you know,
<v Speaker 3>this could potentially be a you know, a confirmed vocalization
<v Speaker 3>and there's something out there. What it is, I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>but if two separate recordings like that exist, that's pretty
<v Speaker 3>significant in my book.
<v Speaker 1>Oh I agree, And I'm glad that there is another
<v Speaker 1>recording like that out there because I've never I've never
<v Speaker 1>heard this, you know, other than what I experienced, I've
<v Speaker 1>never heard anybody else have a recording like that. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to hear it. Yeah. I will mention people
<v Speaker 1>I've heard like singing at bumping late before, but not
<v Speaker 1>to that degree, but they have heard something kind of
<v Speaker 1>like singing around there too, so you know, I but again,
<v Speaker 1>like you know, in the middle of July. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, there weren't a lot of campers around
<v Speaker 1>at that time, to be honest, it wasn't forth to
<v Speaker 1>July or anything.
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, nobody's going to be out there doing
<v Speaker 3>that that that's not people.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and some people were saying, like I'm in Jonathan's
<v Speaker 1>video because you know, he played a clip of it
<v Speaker 1>in his video and Jonathan easily Jonathan Easley's video. There's
<v Speaker 1>people that are commenting like, you know, all their atmospheric sounds,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and things like that, and like you know,
<v Speaker 1>people can come up with anything that they want their
<v Speaker 1>interpretation of the sounds. But like desk out to me,
<v Speaker 1>that's definitely not atmospheric sounds or anything. That's really no
<v Speaker 1>anything that's known, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 3>You recorded it in Washington in the mountains, somebody else
<v Speaker 3>recorded in East Texas. So if it's atmospheric sounds, explain
<v Speaker 3>that one exactly exactly.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm glad there's more examples of that out there,
<v Speaker 1>especially in other states. So that's that is, like you said,
<v Speaker 1>that is pretty significant.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll definitely send it to you to me, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like you would know better if it sounds similar to
<v Speaker 3>you or not. It did to me at the time.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I love to hear it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Do you have your stuff posted where the public
<v Speaker 3>can look at it?
<v Speaker 1>I don't have. I don't have a YouTube channel. I
<v Speaker 1>basically all my stuff that's been posted or in the
<v Speaker 1>documentaries like Jonathan's or Sarah Brown's or another podcast. I've
<v Speaker 1>been on another podcast like Alex Petakov's you know where,
<v Speaker 1>I've shared them on there, so, but I personally don't
<v Speaker 1>have a I don't have a wet page or a
<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel. Now. In terms of sightings, I saw something
<v Speaker 1>that was crossing a bridge or a concrete bridge that
<v Speaker 1>I thought was my Golden Retriever, but it wasn't because
<v Speaker 1>he was he was with my mom and dad walking
<v Speaker 1>up the trail away from the well, okay, real quick,
<v Speaker 1>I we were. We were walking on this nature trail
<v Speaker 1>about where I was away from me in twenty eighteen,
<v Speaker 1>in spring of twenty eighteen, and there's a there's a
<v Speaker 1>concrete bridge that overdoes the that's over this spring like
<v Speaker 1>it it's like a little small river or it's like
<v Speaker 1>a small river or screen. And I wanted to go
<v Speaker 1>down below the bridge to look to look for footprints
<v Speaker 1>along the sandy bank down there, and I said, I'll
<v Speaker 1>go down there and look for Prince, and you, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and my mom and dad, you guys can keep walking
<v Speaker 1>with my dog up the trail, and they said okay.
<v Speaker 1>So they kept walking up the trail with my dog
<v Speaker 1>and I went down below looking for Prince, and I
<v Speaker 1>didn't see anything. But then a couple of minutes later,
<v Speaker 1>I just have to look back up to the bridge
<v Speaker 1>and from where my mom and dad walked with my
<v Speaker 1>dog in that direction, something ran, something with long flowing
<v Speaker 1>golden like I said. I thought it was my golden retriever.
<v Speaker 1>But it was running. It looked like it was running
<v Speaker 1>all fours in the opposite direction from what it from
<v Speaker 1>where they came, like from where they walked to. So
<v Speaker 1>it was coming from where they walked to. It was
<v Speaker 1>running in the opposite direction from where we came in.
<v Speaker 1>And it was running across this bridge. And all I
<v Speaker 1>saw was this long flowing golden blondish hair like the
<v Speaker 1>head and back the head and back of this scene
<v Speaker 1>running by the bridge, by this concrete uh on this
<v Speaker 1>concrete bridge that was above me, and there's like these
<v Speaker 1>four they had these four foot concrete rails, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and the crested the head and back of it crested
<v Speaker 1>these rails. And like I said, the hair on this
<v Speaker 1>scene was really long. It was like flowing long hair. Uh.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we don't you know, we have all we
<v Speaker 1>have deer and all all these all these other animals
<v Speaker 1>have really short hair. And like I said, the closest,
<v Speaker 1>the closest thing to what I was seeing was my dog,
<v Speaker 1>my Golden Retriever. And there was no you know, there
<v Speaker 1>was nobody else. There's there was nobody else on this trail.
<v Speaker 1>There was We were the only people parked at the trailhead.
<v Speaker 1>There was no other cars, no other vehicles. There's nobody
<v Speaker 1>else on the trail at the time.
<v Speaker 3>That same kind of blows color, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was that same kind of blondish writer's golden
<v Speaker 1>color to it. Maybe the sun had something to do
<v Speaker 1>with it, because it was it was basically the sun
<v Speaker 1>was above it, like it was running against the sun basically,
<v Speaker 1>So maybe that made it look more goldenish because of
<v Speaker 1>the sun. Maybe it might have had more reddish hair,
<v Speaker 1>but maybe the sun made it look more blondish or goldish,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. Man, it was the weirdest thing
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen. I mean, like I said, the closest thing,
<v Speaker 1>the closest thing that I thought was is that my dog?
<v Speaker 1>Because I ran after, Oh, this is the thing too.
<v Speaker 1>It didn't make any sound I can't hear because of
<v Speaker 1>the stream next to me. I couldn't hear any noises
<v Speaker 1>like anything else making any noises. I mean, I can
<v Speaker 1>you hear it running across the bridge. I couldn't hear
<v Speaker 1>any kind of sound.
<v Speaker 3>And I would assume that your dog's back doesn't stand
<v Speaker 3>four and a half five feet tall off the ground either.
<v Speaker 1>No, this thing was like, yeah, I mean think you
<v Speaker 1>know this thing was. This thing was big like for
<v Speaker 1>the Christ the top of these four foot rails. It
<v Speaker 1>definitely was bigger than my dog. And it was going
<v Speaker 1>really quick too, Like I only had a couple of
<v Speaker 1>seconds of I don't know how it happened, Like I
<v Speaker 1>just happened to glance up and see this thing running
<v Speaker 1>by the bridge like real quick, and I and I
<v Speaker 1>actually I ran up back up to the bridge and
<v Speaker 1>I tried to get a beat on this thing, and
<v Speaker 1>it was long gone by the time I got up there,
<v Speaker 1>so I went back. So I walked back to the
<v Speaker 1>bridge and I waited for my parents and my dog
<v Speaker 1>come by come back, and they did, and I asked him,
<v Speaker 1>did puppy we called him puppy. I said, did puppy
<v Speaker 1>get away from you guys and come this way? And
<v Speaker 1>they said no, he was with us the whole time.
<v Speaker 1>And then I told him what I saw. It just
<v Speaker 1>I can't explain it, and to this day, I can't
<v Speaker 1>explain it. I don't know. I don't know if any
<v Speaker 1>animal that had that kind of I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>you want to call it hair or fur. But it
<v Speaker 1>was long, and it was a golden it was a
<v Speaker 1>goldish color.
<v Speaker 3>Was it straight or curly or.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like it was kind
<v Speaker 1>of straight and curly. It was really long though, it
<v Speaker 1>was really long flowing hair. It's the best way I
<v Speaker 1>can describe it, you know. And people I've talked to,
<v Speaker 1>like people have seen blondish Apparently people have seen blonde
<v Speaker 1>bigfoots before, so I know I've heard I've heard people
<v Speaker 1>say that the younger ones, like the juveniles, might have
<v Speaker 1>reddish hair, So maybe that's what I might have seen.
<v Speaker 1>If that was a big foot. I don't know, man,
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was weird. I've never I've never seen
<v Speaker 1>anything like it before. And and I can't I can't
<v Speaker 1>tell you of any known Washington animal that had that
<v Speaker 1>kind of hair or fur on it. No, I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I mean a yak or something. I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, I don't know, man. But that's like, if
<v Speaker 1>if you want to call that is sighting, that's really
<v Speaker 1>my real only it's not even a confirmation sighting. But
<v Speaker 1>it was something I saw something, and uh, and we
<v Speaker 1>tried to putting on our records in that area afterwards,
<v Speaker 1>and I've never gotten anything since since that sighting, if
<v Speaker 1>you want to call it that. But again, this was
<v Speaker 1>two hours away from us back at like that whole
<v Speaker 1>area is surrounded by mountains and woods and forests. I
<v Speaker 1>mean it's pretty remote back in there, so and there
<v Speaker 1>have been Sasquatch reports in that if you go in
<v Speaker 1>the brfo All website, there's actually been sasquatch reports from
<v Speaker 1>that general area back in there. So I wasn't I'm
<v Speaker 1>not too surprised that maybe that could have been a sasquatch,
<v Speaker 1>but I am surprised that I saw what I saw,
<v Speaker 1>even though I can't confirm that I was a bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>But what other animal was long hair or that? I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, man, I just don't know what I saw.
<v Speaker 1>It was strange. It was very strange.
<v Speaker 3>I have one of those sightings too, where I got
<v Speaker 3>I got a glimpse of something on all fours and
<v Speaker 3>I never got to look at its head and I
<v Speaker 3>couldn't really see what it was, and it's just always
<v Speaker 3>stuck with me, and it sucks, you know, because it's
<v Speaker 3>just one of those things like I don't know what
<v Speaker 3>it could have been, but I can't say for sure
<v Speaker 3>that that's what it was. I mean, yours is even
<v Speaker 3>stranger because of the size difference and the blonde kind
<v Speaker 3>of wavy hair like that. Like, yeah, there's nothing that
<v Speaker 3>I can think of in North America that comes to mind.
<v Speaker 1>I don't either. I mean, it was there was a large,
<v Speaker 1>glittering theater running around out there, But honestly, man, that's
<v Speaker 1>like the closest thing I could ever, That's the closest
<v Speaker 1>thing I could think of, you know. I kept thinking,
<v Speaker 1>is that my dog? But it didn't make any sense,
<v Speaker 1>especially the size of it definitely wasn't the size of
<v Speaker 1>my dog it was larger. But I'm hoping someday I
<v Speaker 1>get a confirmation sighting. I am hoping to get that.
<v Speaker 3>Well. I mean, keep at it, man, you're bound to someday,
<v Speaker 3>because you've got some amazing evidence. Regardless, you've been very fortunate.
<v Speaker 3>Whatever you're doing, you're doing it right. It seems to
<v Speaker 3>be working for you.
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. Yeah, I I you know, I'm not
<v Speaker 1>doing anything different than what other people are doing. I'm
<v Speaker 1>just going out there, living out recorders and going to
<v Speaker 1>areas where they could be, you know, where the sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>could be. So just to just got to keep at it,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and share it with people. I think it's
<v Speaker 1>important to share it with people and get feedback. And
<v Speaker 1>but again, like I don't like cleaning things as big
<v Speaker 1>for until I know for sure it's Bigfoot, I think.
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's important because I don't want to
<v Speaker 1>release something and call it when when it could be
<v Speaker 1>something else. I just don't want to do that.
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<v Speaker 3>like to share your story on the podcast, email me
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