Military Veteran Turned BFRO Researcher: Marsha’s Bigfoot Encounters Across America

<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. In today's episode, we sit
<v Speaker 1>down with Marsha, a BFRORO researcher, military veteran, and scientist
<v Speaker 1>who has spent decades investigating bigfoot encounters across North America.
<v Speaker 1>From face to face sidings while on military duty in
<v Speaker 1>California to leading expeditions with the BFRO on the East Coast.
<v Speaker 1>Marsha's experiences are both chilling and eye opening. Get ready
<v Speaker 1>to hear stories of juvenile sasquatch, black helicopters, thermal captures,
<v Speaker 1>and mysterious encounters that span from California to South Carolina.
<v Speaker 1>This is an interview that you won't want to miss.
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<v Speaker 1>have a bigfoot encounter that you would like to share
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<v Speaker 1>that being said, let's dive into Marsha's bigfoot encounters from
<v Speaker 1>North America. All right, Marsha, welcome Sasquatch Theory. How are
<v Speaker 1>you doing today?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm doing pretty good. Thanks for contacting me again.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's a pleasure to have you on the show.
<v Speaker 1>You heard Travis's Encounters from South Carolina and you reached
<v Speaker 1>out to me, and here we are now. If you
<v Speaker 1>would tell me a little bit about yourself, where you're from,
<v Speaker 1>and your encounters, your experiences, and your research from the
<v Speaker 1>very beginning, please.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I'm from a little bit of everywhere, originally
<v Speaker 2>from upstate New York. But I before I go to
<v Speaker 2>it a high school, I went to seventeen different schools,
<v Speaker 2>so pretty much over the eastern side of the United
<v Speaker 2>States is where I'm from. And then my time in
<v Speaker 2>the Marine Corps retired from there and they had me
<v Speaker 2>all over the world, and then working for Excellon Mobile
<v Speaker 2>as a field geologist. Pretty much home is where I
<v Speaker 2>hang my hat anymore. And now that I'm fully retired,
<v Speaker 2>I put myself full time to the BFRO and researching
<v Speaker 2>this topic. Oh gosh, my first experience with Bigfoot would
<v Speaker 2>have been nineteen eighty February of nineteen eighty four. That
<v Speaker 2>would have been at not the White Mountains, but the
<v Speaker 2>Sierra Mountains in California at the Bridgeport Marine Corps Cold
<v Speaker 2>weather training facility at Bridgeport, California, stay and guard duty
<v Speaker 2>what we call firewatch and working and doing the second
<v Speaker 2>shift midnight to three and low and behold. I'm standing
<v Speaker 2>on my pallette and about eight or nine inches of snow,
<v Speaker 2>and from about thirty five feet away, out from behind
<v Speaker 2>this huge tree, steps out this very tall brown, blackish
<v Speaker 2>hair sasquatch. I had a sixteen in my hands, and
<v Speaker 2>he stepped out from behind the tree. We locked eyes
<v Speaker 2>for a good six or seven full mississippis, and I
<v Speaker 2>just didn't know how to respond to that. Each went
<v Speaker 2>back behind a tree and then took off as fast
<v Speaker 2>as it came, and I just stood there like my
<v Speaker 2>thumb on the sluughter or switch, not knowing how to
<v Speaker 2>It looked human. I mean it had straight teeth, that
<v Speaker 2>it had eyes like human, had genitalia like a human.
<v Speaker 2>It was just huge. I thought I was the biggest,
<v Speaker 2>baddest thing in the woods. You know, young marine, you
<v Speaker 2>all think that. And I found out that I wasn't.
<v Speaker 2>Now it was far from it. Taught me a little humility. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Later I went to lock that log book and my
<v Speaker 2>staff sergeant came by and said, listen, I understand strange
<v Speaker 2>things happen up here. Just write it down as encountered
<v Speaker 2>indigenous life. I said, Aye, I, sir, that's what I did.
<v Speaker 2>Now I've understand that, sense I admitted to that revelation.
<v Speaker 2>Ever about a year go online, a couple other Marines
<v Speaker 2>have come forward as well, relieving their story at this
<v Speaker 2>same training facility that a lot of US Marines go
<v Speaker 2>to in the winter. And I'm not happy for him
<v Speaker 2>that we're able to get that off their chest. That's
<v Speaker 2>really awesome. Wherever I went in the Marine Corps, I
<v Speaker 2>always had this thing about is there something there in
<v Speaker 2>the dark or is there not something in the dark?
<v Speaker 2>And I sort of packed it away. Later I went
<v Speaker 2>on to retire, I had finished my degrees, went to
<v Speaker 2>u C l A and UCR, acquired between master's degrees,
<v Speaker 2>and I went to work for doing contract work for
<v Speaker 2>the USGS and later actually on mobile and I started
<v Speaker 2>to do a lot of field work for geology. One
<v Speaker 2>of the places was Montana and up there in the
<v Speaker 2>mountains doing some mapping and looking at old gas seams
<v Speaker 2>and the different formations. Being out in the woods by
<v Speaker 2>myself was never really bothered me until I got just
<v Speaker 2>outside of oh gosh, what's that called Phillipsburg? And I'm
<v Speaker 2>camping there, but you know, by myself. And later that
<v Speaker 2>night something came into my camp. The shadow cast by
<v Speaker 2>the moon put that thing way above my tent that
<v Speaker 2>rattled my pots and pants, and went into it opened
<v Speaker 2>two ammal cans that I kept like rock chisels and
<v Speaker 2>hammers and different things in And wow, what the hell
<v Speaker 2>is that? I just froze. Do I go out there?
<v Speaker 2>Do I pull a weapon? What do I do? So
<v Speaker 2>in the morning, I'm looking around, and even though there's
<v Speaker 2>gravel on the ground, I can still see there's an
<v Speaker 2>impression of something left impression. I walk around, I follow it.
<v Speaker 2>I find this area in waste high weeds where about
<v Speaker 2>nine to ten foot sort of circular pattern of grass,
<v Speaker 2>all matted down, and this is about forty five fifty
<v Speaker 2>feet away from my campsite. I look up the slope
<v Speaker 2>and I see this real odd tree trunk about four
<v Speaker 2>four and a half inches diameter, stuck in the ground
<v Speaker 2>on the side of the slope, and the root ball
<v Speaker 2>bup in the air. Didn't put two and two together.
<v Speaker 2>I just thought, wow, I got some energetic young teenagers.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why, they'd mess with my camp for
<v Speaker 2>they're lucky they didn't get shot or get hurt or
<v Speaker 2>something like that. It wasn't until oh, I'd say about
<v Speaker 2>about two thousand and nine, twenty ten, I started to
<v Speaker 2>really question this and of different things I had been encountering,
<v Speaker 2>and I mentioned it to my boss, one of our
<v Speaker 2>field supervisors, and he said, you know, there's something curious
<v Speaker 2>out there too. We really don't want you or any
<v Speaker 2>of the other geologists going out in there in these
<v Speaker 2>areas by yourself anymore. It could be potentially dangerous. And
<v Speaker 2>it's a supervisor from Exon telling me that. So I
<v Speaker 2>started investigating more. I talked to a couple other people
<v Speaker 2>I worked with in the field, and they directed me
<v Speaker 2>to the BFRO at the time, it was called the Blueboards,
<v Speaker 2>the public discussion panels, and I started to read a
<v Speaker 2>lot of what they had and all of a sudden
<v Speaker 2>things started making sense, and I made the connection all
<v Speaker 2>the way back to nineteen eighty four and just really like, wow,
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of silly then not seeing it and understanding
<v Speaker 2>what had been taking place. Well, once I started reading
<v Speaker 2>those boards and making cursory introduction with some of those folks,
<v Speaker 2>I went back along my business, and now I'm in
<v Speaker 2>California and Oregon, and I started going out with a
<v Speaker 2>few other different smaller groups in Oregon and Washington, Idaho,
<v Speaker 2>a few of them outside court Aline and a little
<v Speaker 2>place called in Canada. I think everyone knows that place.
<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden, I started to realize there's
<v Speaker 2>something more to that for sure. These just weren't a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of coops on the internet. And so I continued working,
<v Speaker 2>but it would take me out of the country and
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't fully in the States. And I come back
<v Speaker 2>and I just didn't have enough time to put into
<v Speaker 2>it full time. And once I retired from that, I
<v Speaker 2>took early retirement from that and settled here in South Carolina.
<v Speaker 2>Then I started looking at it more and more. And
<v Speaker 2>so I'm gonna be serious about this. I'm a scientist,
<v Speaker 2>I'm a duel disciplined I'm an engineering geologist and a
<v Speaker 2>meteorologist with master's degrees and experience and licensees to back
<v Speaker 2>it up. So I'm going to investigate this. I want
<v Speaker 2>to know for sure. That's why I started doing my
<v Speaker 2>first BFRO expedition, went out with those guys in Ohio
<v Speaker 2>that first time had positive fleer sighting watching an adult
<v Speaker 2>female with two juvis as part of a hunting party
<v Speaker 2>with two males right in the middle of it, walk
<v Speaker 2>right into the middle of it. And then that same night,
<v Speaker 2>sleeping in my tent, sleeping too close to the wall
<v Speaker 2>of my tent, and they have something push me as
<v Speaker 2>if it was kneeling or standing right by my tent,
<v Speaker 2>and I could hear it breathing heavily, even a couple
<v Speaker 2>of little groans and grumps. And then my cot was
<v Speaker 2>at an angle and I kept sliding down because I
<v Speaker 2>was an incline, and I felt one hand across both
<v Speaker 2>my feet pushed me up my cot. I just couldn't
<v Speaker 2>believe that that was like intense. I rolled off that
<v Speaker 2>cot quicker than anything I've been taught in the Marine Corps.
<v Speaker 2>I got off that cock, and right then and there,
<v Speaker 2>I said, Okay, game's on. So I started volunteering for more.
<v Speaker 2>I started hanging out with other people that this is
<v Speaker 2>what they do. So oh gosh. Then between Ohio and
<v Speaker 2>Tennessee and Georgia, Gosh, West Virginia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Pennsylvania,
<v Speaker 2>every extradition came up by volunteer go I'd go. And
<v Speaker 2>then I started going out in areas adjacent to where
<v Speaker 2>the extraditions were on my own. And then I met
<v Speaker 2>a couple of people I knew of the South Carolina
<v Speaker 2>D and R and a few people who worked with
<v Speaker 2>the forestry Department in Georgia, and they would tell me
<v Speaker 2>stories and reports and I'd go follow them up. My
<v Speaker 2>first real since that time in nineteen eighty four, I
<v Speaker 2>was on an expedition in Tennessee and I had a
<v Speaker 2>very odd encounter there where our coordinator had rented this
<v Speaker 2>huge tent because we're having rain off and on and
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to keep people dry. But it was a
<v Speaker 2>huge tent like you see at a used car dealership
<v Speaker 2>fifty or something along that lines. But it took a
<v Speaker 2>professional company to come install it. And so the end
<v Speaker 2>of the expedition, this is in the fall, and the
<v Speaker 2>ranger tells us, what, you know, we have to have
<v Speaker 2>everyone out of the park. The entire not the park,
<v Speaker 2>but the area is going to be closed. It's being
<v Speaker 2>completely shut down, no one allowed in. Well, we pleaded
<v Speaker 2>our case, we have a rental company come on Monday.
<v Speaker 2>So he capitulated and said, okay, leave someone here. Then
<v Speaker 2>and and because even the camp post is leaving, our
<v Speaker 2>rangers will be at meetings, You'll be here by yourself. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So myself and another person volunteered to stick by ourselves.
<v Speaker 2>We were going to be the only people within miles,
<v Speaker 2>I guess, in this one area. And gosh, that's that
<v Speaker 2>Sunday when everyone was gone. It didn't take more in
<v Speaker 2>a few hours that I'm stacking firewood and a wagging
<v Speaker 2>to take it over to my campsite. And I look
<v Speaker 2>out of my right peripheral vision and juvenile squatch stepped
<v Speaker 2>out from behind a tree right there at by three o'clock.
<v Speaker 2>I say juvenile. However, he and I were about the
<v Speaker 2>same size, but the hair was thin, you sort of see,
<v Speaker 2>like a grayish skin. The neck wasn't fully developed. He
<v Speaker 2>was probably six and a half to seven feet, maybe
<v Speaker 2>two fifty three pounds, not the big massive, no neck
<v Speaker 2>type examples. You hear about this, you depicted. I just
<v Speaker 2>caught my breath and tried not to react out point,
<v Speaker 2>not yell, none of those things, make no eye contact.
<v Speaker 2>And I just slowly kept turning my body towards him
<v Speaker 2>every time I reached for a piece of wood, and
<v Speaker 2>he stayed there for a good no thirty forty five seconds.
<v Speaker 2>As soon as I got the area where I've seen
<v Speaker 2>him into my one thirty one o'clock position, he took
<v Speaker 2>off and ran again behind another huge tree. I think
<v Speaker 2>they call him mock Hickorys or something like that. And
<v Speaker 2>at that point it's like I would make it obvious
<v Speaker 2>that I'm tracking him and stuff like that, So I
<v Speaker 2>turned it, ripped around real quick and see where he
<v Speaker 2>was at, and he was gone. They had just gone.
<v Speaker 2>From what I had learned up to that point that
<v Speaker 2>told me that there's war around. Juvenile was hang out independently,
<v Speaker 2>there was adults supervising around. I assumed that later that
<v Speaker 2>night was going to be pretty eventful. I contacted my
<v Speaker 2>field partner who's on the other side of the encampment area,
<v Speaker 2>and said, come on down, look what I told him,
<v Speaker 2>what happened, you know, help me track this down. See
<v Speaker 2>if the footprints, et cetera, maybe DNA on a tree.
<v Speaker 2>So he comes down, we look around, he goes, oh,
<v Speaker 2>that's really good this regular. We didn't find something convincing.
<v Speaker 2>So he went back to his campsite and about half
<v Speaker 2>our later say you know what, Marsha, I just don't
<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable. I'm going to go home. Well, I can
<v Speaker 2>tell you my reaction. I was like, I didn't say
<v Speaker 2>anything about it, Okay, have a nice shrip home. I
<v Speaker 2>wasn't about the chicken out. I wasn't about to just
<v Speaker 2>walk away. My good friend signed off on a huge
<v Speaker 2>tent that rental. Something could happen to it. So I said, okay,
<v Speaker 2>I know spots they here. I'm probably going to get
<v Speaker 2>more counters tonight. So I decided just to circle my wagons.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I even tipped up a picnic table on
<v Speaker 2>the side, just to put it like a detection grid
<v Speaker 2>around my tent and my car, et cetera. I even
<v Speaker 2>put out a small personal alarm, hooked up the fishing
<v Speaker 2>line type of personal alarm. You pulled the pin in
<v Speaker 2>it and it shrieks at about sixty five seventy desciols.
<v Speaker 2>And I put that all the way around my camp area.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm pretty much assuming they're going to come. If
<v Speaker 2>they're that bold and brazen, they're going to come see me.
<v Speaker 2>So weather started moving in as it got dark, and
<v Speaker 2>we'd get drizzle and fog and a little bit of rain.
<v Speaker 2>It would stop a little bit more drizzle, and so
<v Speaker 2>I had finished off a pot of coffee by ten
<v Speaker 2>o'clock that night. And I usually I'm in a field
<v Speaker 2>in a very larger ten ten by sixteen where I
<v Speaker 2>have like a little office in there, my cot l
<v Speaker 2>shaped tables, folding tables and laptop out, et cetera. And
<v Speaker 2>so I'm writing in my notebook everything that transpires. So
<v Speaker 2>I want this fresh in my mind on the paper
<v Speaker 2>and of everything that occurred that afternoon. And so I
<v Speaker 2>started approaching close to eleven, and I'm writing everything that happened,
<v Speaker 2>and alsoden, I hear the little personal alarm go off. Well,
<v Speaker 2>the first thing that happened is the hair on my
<v Speaker 2>arm stands up. And I'm like, wow, okay, what's going on?
<v Speaker 2>And I hear it, I hear it. I look out
<v Speaker 2>at the top of the door. I see nothing out there. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was a stick or a squirrel or something
<v Speaker 2>got tangled up in the in the fishing line. So
<v Speaker 2>I go out there and sure enough there's the unit
<v Speaker 2>with the pin out of it, and that's the only
<v Speaker 2>way to turn it off. There's no switch or a
<v Speaker 2>screw or something. And so I'll hold up to light,
<v Speaker 2>and I put the pin back in it, turn it off,
<v Speaker 2>and I put a little bit more slack in it,
<v Speaker 2>just in case it was a bird or a stick
<v Speaker 2>or something. And I go back in. I'm sitting there,
<v Speaker 2>and now that the expedition's over, I took my rifle
<v Speaker 2>out of the car and I put it on the
<v Speaker 2>cot next to me, just in case you know who knows.
<v Speaker 2>So I carry a lever action rifle. And so here
<v Speaker 2>it is. About forty five minutes later, I hear the
<v Speaker 2>alarm go off again. This time, I'm not thinking this coincidence.
<v Speaker 2>I yelled out, hey, don't mess with me. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>use such a nice language. I'm armed. I'll shoot through
<v Speaker 2>this tent. So I go to put my boots back on.
<v Speaker 2>I reach up for the zipper and the alarm turned off.
<v Speaker 2>Here my neck raised up everything. My first reaction, I
<v Speaker 2>grabbed my rifle. I tim burned around. It's a forty
<v Speaker 2>five seventy and I said, okay, well we're going to
<v Speaker 2>go out the door, and so I end zip for
<v Speaker 2>real slowly. I look around. There's nothing there. I go
<v Speaker 2>to where the device was. It's gone, the device, the pin.
<v Speaker 2>There's two ends of fish and string just sitting there.
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, something had the intelligence and opposing thumbs that
<v Speaker 2>saw me put that pin back in. So this point,
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting kind of a little worried. Not enough to
<v Speaker 2>fire up the sat phone, but I'm getting a little worried.
<v Speaker 2>I put up more things around me. Behind my tent
<v Speaker 2>is big roaded dendroom bushes, and I have the picnic
<v Speaker 2>tables up on side my camp kitchen. I have storage
<v Speaker 2>tots and a couple of metal amial cans up with
<v Speaker 2>tools in all stacked up around me. I even backed
<v Speaker 2>my car up right over my own tent pins, so
<v Speaker 2>it was right close to me. And I figure, if
<v Speaker 2>anything comes towards me, I'm going to hear it. That's
<v Speaker 2>my detection, remember, And so I go back in the tent.
<v Speaker 2>I leave my boots on, my jacket on, I'm sending
<v Speaker 2>my chair. I got my rifle across my lap, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, let's go, you know, let's party whoever or
<v Speaker 2>whatever's messing with me were it's gonna have to come
<v Speaker 2>to a head. I sat there after consuming a full
<v Speaker 2>pot of coffee, and I'm sitting there and baby, it's
<v Speaker 2>a little past twelve. The next thing I know I'm
<v Speaker 2>laying in my cot by rifles next to me on
<v Speaker 2>the cot. My boots are still on. Daylight starting to
<v Speaker 2>shine in the tent, the drizzle and the rain that stopped,
<v Speaker 2>and I hear something pitter pattering scratching on the outside
<v Speaker 2>of my tent, like a couple of feet away. I'm
<v Speaker 2>kind of confused. I don't know the last thing. I
<v Speaker 2>remember sitting in my chair anticipating some confrontation, and I
<v Speaker 2>hear something moving again. I yell, don't f with me,
<v Speaker 2>I'll shoot, and nothing adds the top ten door and
<v Speaker 2>there's a coyote standing on top of the picnic table.
<v Speaker 2>It had been pushed down back of all four legs.
<v Speaker 2>He's standing on top of the picnic table, just staring
<v Speaker 2>at me. All right, scare him away, And I'm looking
<v Speaker 2>finished on zipping the door, and I look around. My
<v Speaker 2>totes are tipped over, the AMMO camps, pushed over, the
<v Speaker 2>whole campus disheveled, and what the hell happened? I remember
<v Speaker 2>sitting in my chair and here I wake up in
<v Speaker 2>my cot. Okay, I push everything back, I start water
<v Speaker 2>for coffee and I'm gonna have a breakfast bar and
<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting there. I'm writing all my notes down in
<v Speaker 2>my notebook of everything happened while I'm waiting for the
<v Speaker 2>the coffee pot, the perk, and all of a sudden
<v Speaker 2>I hear this loud boom sounded like a four to
<v Speaker 2>ten shotgun at about one hundred yards away, and it's
<v Speaker 2>over where that tent is. Go crap. So I look around.
<v Speaker 2>I go, well, okay, I got to go check this out.
<v Speaker 2>So I turned the water off, I set my pen
<v Speaker 2>and my notepook down on the picnic table, grab my rifle.
<v Speaker 2>It's dense fog, you can't see more than thirty forty
<v Speaker 2>feet right in and so I proceed over to the
<v Speaker 2>big pen. Make sure it's okay, so I'm not trying
<v Speaker 2>to steal it or whatever. I get over there and
<v Speaker 2>on the left corner of the tent there's a tree.
<v Speaker 2>Limb broke off a tree that's about six seven inches
<v Speaker 2>in diameter. It's broke cleanly off the side of that tree.
<v Speaker 2>And the first thing that came into my head was ambush.
<v Speaker 2>Ring Corps training, you know, first first word that came
<v Speaker 2>into my head was ambush. I go to a knee,
<v Speaker 2>I do three sixty around me, look at everything near me,
<v Speaker 2>and I quickly proceed back to my camp. I get
<v Speaker 2>back to my camp. Everything's fine, nothing, you know. So
<v Speaker 2>I turned the water back on. I sit down in
<v Speaker 2>my chair. I get my notebook and I look, my
<v Speaker 2>pen's gone. That's a special pen. The tip lights up
<v Speaker 2>so that when you're in night ops you don't have
<v Speaker 2>to turn on your head lamp to take notes. The
<v Speaker 2>tip lights up. And my friend of mine gave me
<v Speaker 2>that pen. And what the hell I must have printed
<v Speaker 2>in my pocket and dropped it somewhere. And I really
<v Speaker 2>upset about that because a good friend of mine gave
<v Speaker 2>that to me. So Coffee water cooks and Nick Coffee
<v Speaker 2>have oatmeal on the breakfast bar, and I go, you
<v Speaker 2>know what, Okay, I'm just gonna write all this down
<v Speaker 2>and try to figure it out later. Right now, everything
<v Speaker 2>seems to be safe, but I'm not going anywhere without firearm.
<v Speaker 2>And so I go to the restroom. I come back,
<v Speaker 2>and you know what, I'm gonna go get that firewood
<v Speaker 2>where all this started from, this fire ring about fifty
<v Speaker 2>sixty yards away. There's a stack of red oak there,
<v Speaker 2>and so I go over there with the wagon and
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to sit down at that picnic table where
<v Speaker 2>the fire ring is and load up thro ust that wood,
<v Speaker 2>and there's my pen on that picnic table. Well, that
<v Speaker 2>told me right away the intelligence of these animals to
<v Speaker 2>intentionally lure me away from my camp. They must have
<v Speaker 2>liked that orange tipped pen, and they took it, and
<v Speaker 2>then when I came back, I must have did something
<v Speaker 2>to startle them, say I left it on the table.
<v Speaker 2>At this point, I said, to hell with the wood.
<v Speaker 2>I go back to my tent. I poured a coffee
<v Speaker 2>in my thermos, and I just start packing up camp.
<v Speaker 2>Get it in the car. I put the wagon up
<v Speaker 2>on top of the car, bunging it in, and I
<v Speaker 2>had my rifle in my hand. I walk around to
<v Speaker 2>the driver's side and there's this white oil of handprint
<v Speaker 2>on my driver's door window. That means say it had
<v Speaker 2>been there watching me that close and I didn't know it.
<v Speaker 2>So I opened the door, get in, lock it, put
<v Speaker 2>the rifle next to me, and I just sped out
<v Speaker 2>of there. The rental company had not come yet. The
<v Speaker 2>tent was fine. I went out the gate and went
<v Speaker 2>to a spot that was a couple of miles away
<v Speaker 2>where I knew there was cell phone reception, and I
<v Speaker 2>checked in with the coordinator, gave her a low down
<v Speaker 2>on what was going on, and say, you know the
<v Speaker 2>rental company, I passed them on the drive here to
<v Speaker 2>get cell reception. The tent will be fine. I'm going home.
<v Speaker 2>It took me a long time to get over that
<v Speaker 2>what had happened, even mentioning it to my support group
<v Speaker 2>at the BA, my PTSD support group. Sitting at home
<v Speaker 2>by myself, or waking up in the middle of the
<v Speaker 2>night feeling like something is grabbing my thigh or pushing
<v Speaker 2>on me, or or something is pushing my back, that
<v Speaker 2>just it's still it still gets my crawl every now
<v Speaker 2>and then.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can only imagine. What is your take on
<v Speaker 1>the activity that these creatures display. Do you think it's
<v Speaker 1>just simply territorial or do you think their hostile?
<v Speaker 3>What do you think?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't want to think it's that intricate. Normally,
<v Speaker 2>it's been my experience that when a large group in
<v Speaker 2>the expedition leaves an area, you know, we're humans, We
<v Speaker 2>leave trash, we leave food scraps, we do all those things.
<v Speaker 2>It's usually what happens is the night after the extradition
<v Speaker 2>pulls out, they leave. They come out of the woodwork
<v Speaker 2>looking for whatever we've left behind, and so they're to
<v Speaker 2>a certain degree they're probably familiar with our behavior in
<v Speaker 2>certain areas, and so they were looking for food. That's
<v Speaker 2>what I think Obviously Updates wanted to harm me. I
<v Speaker 2>was the only human being in this whole recreation area,
<v Speaker 2>sold wildlife area. It's the only one they could know
<v Speaker 2>what they wanted. I couldn't have probably carried in the
<v Speaker 2>bullets to dispatch them. So so I don't think. I
<v Speaker 2>think it's more of an an animalistic thing for food
<v Speaker 2>and survival that drives it. But I also realized that
<v Speaker 2>they've survived probably by learning to stay away from the
<v Speaker 2>dangerous humans that have boomsticks, and so that's another part
<v Speaker 2>of that. That's part of their survival technique, is realizing
<v Speaker 2>what's a danger. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, they are well familiar with people activity and how
<v Speaker 1>we work. It almost reminds me of mice, Like when
<v Speaker 1>you leave food out inside your house at nighttime, when
<v Speaker 1>you're asleep, they come out and when you wake up,
<v Speaker 1>there's no mice, but you can see their drop means
<v Speaker 1>you can see sign and you can tell something tore
<v Speaker 1>into like the bag of chips. That's like, dang it,
<v Speaker 1>something was here.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you got to think that there is a
<v Speaker 2>level of intellect here if we want to look at
<v Speaker 2>this sociologically. When First Nation and Native Americans first came
<v Speaker 2>to this continent, there's certain things and behaviors they brought
<v Speaker 2>with them. Let's take for example, the Plains Indians and
<v Speaker 2>some of the Indians in California as well as Nevada
<v Speaker 2>in Idaho building teepees, putting up a stick structure and
<v Speaker 2>putting hides on it. This is sounding familiar. Did squat
<v Speaker 2>see that behavior and emulate it? Who knows? Or is
<v Speaker 2>it the other way around? The first humans that came
<v Speaker 2>to North America came from Upper manch the Gobey Desert,
<v Speaker 2>upper areas of Russia. They didn't build tepees there. They
<v Speaker 2>built sod huts, and they built structures using masted on
<v Speaker 2>tusks and bones and whatnot tepees. So you sort of
<v Speaker 2>have to ask questions who taught who? I sort of
<v Speaker 2>suspect squatches saw that Native Americans were pretty ingenious with
<v Speaker 2>the materials around them, and they emulated what they saw,
<v Speaker 2>not so much with hides, but at least creating the
<v Speaker 2>structures with sticks and limbs and branches. There's another behavior
<v Speaker 2>that seems to be copied, and that's called the act
<v Speaker 2>of coup. Native American First Nations people being able to
<v Speaker 2>touch an enemy or touch a foe and not be
<v Speaker 2>harmed was considered a very intense act of bravery. And
<v Speaker 2>here we have squatch sort of emulating that. Countless stories
<v Speaker 2>a squatch just laying in wait in a bush and
<v Speaker 2>just all they do is reach out and touch someone
<v Speaker 2>and then run away sort of makes you say, hmm.
<v Speaker 2>There's numerous other behavioral traits that is being observed. Number
<v Speaker 2>one hunting. I actually watched a hunting party of squatch
<v Speaker 2>being in Ohio, being up on this very narrow ridge,
<v Speaker 2>maybe no more than forty fifty feet wide at its widest,
<v Speaker 2>going out to a pencil and having a U shaped
<v Speaker 2>valley surrounding it, and just by dumb luck, going out
<v Speaker 2>there with six people in the middle of the night
<v Speaker 2>and sitting down and within fifteen to twenty minutes having
<v Speaker 2>things thrown at us from one side from the north,
<v Speaker 2>and then within minutes rocks and pine cones and acorns
<v Speaker 2>being thrown at us from the south on the other side. Well,
<v Speaker 2>we stand up, We're fleering the area. We're looking rock
<v Speaker 2>thermals and low and behold right in front of us
<v Speaker 2>and feet there's this huge, large hot spot in your viewer,
<v Speaker 2>you us figure who's shining a light at you or
<v Speaker 2>someone doing something hot right there, And you take the
<v Speaker 2>flut away from your eye, You rub your eye, you
<v Speaker 2>look back again, and here's the back of the head
<v Speaker 2>of a female squatch running down the hill from you.
<v Speaker 2>She must have been so close that when I looked
<v Speaker 2>at it with a viewer, it just looked like a
<v Speaker 2>big hot spot. And on either side of her see
<v Speaker 2>smaller little hot spots, probably four or five feet tall,
<v Speaker 2>and they run down this valley to the north. They
<v Speaker 2>come up the slope of the parallel little peninsula there,
<v Speaker 2>and she's standing behind a bush at about eighty yards,
<v Speaker 2>weaving back and forth, and the temperatures in the upper
<v Speaker 2>thirties little forties, and you can actually see her breath
<v Speaker 2>exhale through the viewer, and the two littler ones are
<v Speaker 2>in trees on either side of her. Well, why that's happening?
<v Speaker 2>We noticed that there's a deer right next to us,
<v Speaker 2>like fifteen twenty feet al a just shaking and hiding
<v Speaker 2>in the in the brush right next to us. When
<v Speaker 2>she takes off, the deer just bolts, and the footsteps
<v Speaker 2>we heard behind us to the south, to the southwest,
<v Speaker 2>and the footsteps and the groans we heard to the
<v Speaker 2>southeast they ceased one that was to the southwest. We're
<v Speaker 2>here in feet run away. We suspect to probably chase
<v Speaker 2>that deer to the southeast. That guy grunts and grounds,
<v Speaker 2>walks up between the vehicles. We see his silhouette. He
<v Speaker 2>leaves a handprint on one of the subs, goes down
<v Speaker 2>to the north and rejoins for the female, and they
<v Speaker 2>take off down that trail. So what did we observe.
<v Speaker 2>We saw a female with two little ones chase a deer,
<v Speaker 2>supposedly towards the waiting hands of the two males hunting party.
<v Speaker 2>This is something quite similar that Native First Nation and
<v Speaker 2>Native Americans used to do eighteen twenty thousand years ago.
<v Speaker 2>They would chase a small group of animals off a cliff.
<v Speaker 2>They would chase him into an awaiting group with spears
<v Speaker 2>and arrows and force them into it party. So you
<v Speaker 2>got to ask who taught who, because this wasn't the
<v Speaker 2>behavior that was where they had come from. This is
<v Speaker 2>something they crafted, a new behavior hunting style that was
<v Speaker 2>crafted here in North America. I suspect this squatch probably
<v Speaker 2>watching their success hunting bison, ma sedon and what else
<v Speaker 2>they could go after antelope or deer, and they're probably
<v Speaker 2>emulating copying that. So that hunting party was that was
<v Speaker 2>quite extraordinary. That's also when I got felt in my
<v Speaker 2>tent that same night to squatch coming into camp looking
<v Speaker 2>for food on a table and they hide behind my
<v Speaker 2>tent because I'm on the outer periphery, and I could
<v Speaker 2>hear them breathing less than a couple of feet away
<v Speaker 2>from me. I hear them sniffles and grows, and they're
<v Speaker 2>breathing heavy because they've just run up the slope up
<v Speaker 2>to the plateau. And that just like.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, absolutely, And those are some excellent theories. It's
<v Speaker 1>difficult to determine if the sasquatch learned it from us,
<v Speaker 1>or if we learned it from them, or if it's
<v Speaker 1>simply behavior and tactics that are encoded in our DNA
<v Speaker 1>and just there is a hominid.
<v Speaker 2>That's very true. As a scientist, I work with the
<v Speaker 2>come up with the idea, the hypothesis test, the hypothesis
<v Speaker 2>experiment and maybe if I'm lucky craft of theory, Well,
<v Speaker 2>right now I'm in that model stage. I've created this
<v Speaker 2>model that I refine every day and tweak it every day.
<v Speaker 2>Some things I find I'm wrong, some things I find
<v Speaker 2>them right, and other times I find new information that
<v Speaker 2>never occurred to me before, and I add that to
<v Speaker 2>the model. And this behavior is part of that. Knowing
<v Speaker 2>that squatch is like to look into vehicles. We have
<v Speaker 2>found handprints. In fact, I can tell you that there's
<v Speaker 2>a BFRO seeing your investigator that has crafted a finger
<v Speaker 2>fingerprint file on the squashes. Like FBI has a file
<v Speaker 2>of fingerprints, he has a file of fingerprints of squatches.
<v Speaker 2>And we've seen them return at certain in certain areas
<v Speaker 2>time and time again. It's the same fingerprints, nose prints
<v Speaker 2>up against the glass. They've learned how to open the
<v Speaker 2>car doors. Uh, someone entertained. They wake up and they
<v Speaker 2>find a car door swung open because they saw something
<v Speaker 2>potentially that was edible inside the car that they had
<v Speaker 2>to have. They had to have observed it many times
<v Speaker 2>then gone out and practice it and attempted ith. That
<v Speaker 2>means they're good at observation and they're willing to experiment
<v Speaker 2>and try, and there's other items that they or other
<v Speaker 2>behaviors that they do that they seem to learn that
<v Speaker 2>from us. One of the one of the traits we
<v Speaker 2>are starting to see in the field is well, one
<v Speaker 2>we know that if you have a long stick in
<v Speaker 2>your hand, they'll they'll suspect it may be a weapon.
<v Speaker 2>Now we're starting to see that they're reacting to when
<v Speaker 2>we hold things up to our eyes, uh that maybe
<v Speaker 2>we can see them in the dark, because we have
<v Speaker 2>observed behavior where in the past asked it's their assumption.
<v Speaker 2>Squash this assumption that we can't see them in a
<v Speaker 2>dark and to a degree we would play with that.
<v Speaker 2>You pretend you don't see them. However, now we're putting
<v Speaker 2>up flears in night vision to our faces and we're
<v Speaker 2>pointing right at them and we can see them. They
<v Speaker 2>may be learning that we can do that. So what
<v Speaker 2>we sort of try to reinforce is that one, even
<v Speaker 2>if you're using aided vision devices, do not focus, do
<v Speaker 2>not point, use your peripheral vision to observe. We don't
<v Speaker 2>want them to learn potentially that we can see them
<v Speaker 2>in the dark where they're probably not accustomed having a
<v Speaker 2>human do that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree with that. So ignore ignore the
<v Speaker 1>excessivity when it's happening. And possibly these creatures are able
<v Speaker 1>to learn if we're figuring them out, for example, looking
<v Speaker 1>through a monocular thermal or if we got a drone
<v Speaker 1>in the air, that they're figuring out that we're watching them.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, Later we're being able to reason and anticipate
<v Speaker 2>their behavior this model that we're crafting. And it's not
<v Speaker 2>just me. I have a very good friend and I
<v Speaker 2>can mention her name. Her name is Lourie Russell. She's
<v Speaker 2>kind of ill right now as my field partner and
<v Speaker 2>bouncing things off one another in crafting this model of
<v Speaker 2>social behavior. And we had an occurrence where we actually
<v Speaker 2>entrapped one for about a minute and a half two minutes,
<v Speaker 2>and we're able to to trick it up into a
<v Speaker 2>little wooded area quarter acre in size, and to rapidly
<v Speaker 2>surround it with about a dozen people and uh we
<v Speaker 2>we enticed it by circling this larger area with a
<v Speaker 2>jeep uh call blasting, and this juvenile came to look
<v Speaker 2>to see what's going on, and we recorded it on
<v Speaker 2>flear and with audio of it hissing and screaming and
<v Speaker 2>stopping back and forth, and uh, it just it was
<v Speaker 2>just totally confused that this hadn't happened before. And the
<v Speaker 2>person operating the flear on my side of this wooded area,
<v Speaker 2>out of the blue, just says he wants us to
<v Speaker 2>let him go. He wants us to let him go.
<v Speaker 2>And then I sort of thinking, you know what, there's
<v Speaker 2>could there could be some unseen circumstances from this we
<v Speaker 2>may not like. So I dine on rail till everyone
<v Speaker 2>back off, back off, and sure enough young squatch took off,
<v Speaker 2>running to the north where we thought he would go.
<v Speaker 2>That led us into a situation the following day where
<v Speaker 2>the whole expedition was left gone. At Sunday morning, everyone's
<v Speaker 2>gone except about five of us investigators, and we're assuming
<v Speaker 2>we're going to stay the night because we want to
<v Speaker 2>see what happens after the expedition leaves. If you recall
<v Speaker 2>I referred to that earlier about actions by squatches after
<v Speaker 2>an expedition leaves, and so this during the day daylight,
<v Speaker 2>one of our female members goes back to her tent
<v Speaker 2>and she comes walking back towards base camp. She gets
<v Speaker 2>by the pit toilets and she can hear something following her,
<v Speaker 2>paralleling or in the woods. She stops off to do
<v Speaker 2>her business and the pit toilet she comes out, and
<v Speaker 2>there's a squatch taller than the pit toilet, full head higher,
<v Speaker 2>perhaps nine and a half ten feet. She comes out,
<v Speaker 2>she looks over and left, and he sees her, and
<v Speaker 2>he immediately starts to squat down. Maybe it was his
<v Speaker 2>intent to pounce or what. She immediately dropped her cigarette.
<v Speaker 2>Her chair comes running and screaming. This was during the day,
<v Speaker 2>which is very rare, and so we obviously react. We
<v Speaker 2>go down, try to We went back down the hill
<v Speaker 2>to look for it, which may not have been a
<v Speaker 2>smarter way to react. So we made the decision bring
<v Speaker 2>everyone up on this little hilltop. We circle our wagons
<v Speaker 2>and keep a fire going all night. And so that's
<v Speaker 2>what we did. Throughout the whole night. We were bombarded
<v Speaker 2>with something thrown at us. It sounded like someone took
<v Speaker 2>a back home and took the bucket and kept slamming
<v Speaker 2>it into the ground. You could hear it, you could
<v Speaker 2>feel it. We'd get the strangest roofs and owl calls.
<v Speaker 2>It's a donkey brain and uh. The whole night just
<v Speaker 2>totally harassing us. Everyone stayed in a little like mini
<v Speaker 2>trader or slept in a car except for me. I'm
<v Speaker 2>the hard headed one. I supped in my tent and
<v Speaker 2>lo and behold, I'm laying there. It's about four o'clock
<v Speaker 2>and I see a hand just rake across the back
<v Speaker 2>of my tent the full length as if just walking by,
<v Speaker 2>talking and again on a radio. Hey, everyone gets I
<v Speaker 2>get out out and get your white strobe lights out
<v Speaker 2>and got a situation. Well, we see the footprints and
<v Speaker 2>he takes off into the full So we all made
<v Speaker 2>agreement that we all get up at five to help
<v Speaker 2>two of the members get their stuff packs. So they
<v Speaker 2>did leave and lead together as a team. So we
<v Speaker 2>did that memory of all throughout the night this constant
<v Speaker 2>and all said that stops. We the strange owl with
<v Speaker 2>a gravelly call to it, because we knew what that was.
<v Speaker 2>They were fully us, and so we decided not to
<v Speaker 2>spend one more night there. That we must have pissed off.
<v Speaker 2>Oh sorry, the language. We must have upset that adult
<v Speaker 2>or maybe the parents of that young one the night
<v Speaker 2>before by you know, keeping it confined into a like
<v Speaker 2>a quarter acre wooded area. They must not have liked
<v Speaker 2>that we had done that, and this was retaliate, pure
<v Speaker 2>and simple. Since going back there, because we've had three
<v Speaker 2>that's traditions back to the same area and again the
<v Speaker 2>same practice. We stay there past the expedition, meet a
<v Speaker 2>few other investigators, and we have all kinds of interaction
<v Speaker 2>with squatch strained lights. We even had at four o'clock
<v Speaker 2>in the morning, a totally blacked out helicopter going probably
<v Speaker 2>ground speed twenty thirty miles an hour over our campsite
<v Speaker 2>at about a couple hundred feet but slowly going over us. No,
<v Speaker 2>it can't be an AMT flight or life light. Why
<v Speaker 2>would be going that slow. But all the lights were
<v Speaker 2>blacked out and the only way you can see it
<v Speaker 2>was because of the moonlight. So there's something obviously going
<v Speaker 2>on there that's beyond all our comprehension.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's incredible. So you've noticed that the black Hawk
<v Speaker 1>helicopters were hovering in the same areas that you guys
<v Speaker 1>were getting activity. And I've noticed that in the past
<v Speaker 1>where I had my sightings and there were there was
<v Speaker 1>a lot of activity taking place. I noticed these black
<v Speaker 1>Hawk helicopters flying around. I was thinking at the time,
<v Speaker 1>Well that's normal. You know, there's a military base probably
<v Speaker 1>about an hour from here. But after the activity fizzled out,
<v Speaker 1>months later, years later, no more black helicopters, like what
<v Speaker 1>happened to them? And I never see them anymore.
<v Speaker 2>But one of our investigators is a retired Army helicopter
<v Speaker 2>pilot who is very very well trained, very experienced combat veteran. Uh, going,
<v Speaker 2>that's not right, that totally violates all law. Well what
<v Speaker 2>they're doing and why here? You know, that kind of thing.
<v Speaker 2>And another expedition but a year and a half after
<v Speaker 2>that in Florida, North Florida, and I take a team
<v Speaker 2>out that night. I got five other people with me,
<v Speaker 2>and we're in an area where there's these palmettos that
<v Speaker 2>are about waist high and then pine trees and you
<v Speaker 2>can see for a good distance. And so we're sitting
<v Speaker 2>on this road, me and the rest of my group,
<v Speaker 2>and I send out walkers, a team of two people
<v Speaker 2>to go out to the east. They're the walk for
<v Speaker 2>half an hour and then turn around to come back,
<v Speaker 2>and we're a radio communication. And then when they get back,
<v Speaker 2>I send out a team to the west, go out
<v Speaker 2>for a half hour and come back, and the goal
<v Speaker 2>here is to sort of rustle up a potential encounter
<v Speaker 2>after something out there in the woods. Let's shake the trees.
<v Speaker 2>And so I got both teams out there, and one
<v Speaker 2>person is you know, we don't stand by ourselves, So
<v Speaker 2>there's one person standing with me, and both teams are gone,
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, the entire forest around the
<v Speaker 2>two of us lightens up. When I say lightens up,
<v Speaker 2>it was like looking through night vision, like daytime. For
<v Speaker 2>about a good one hundred yards around us, we could
<v Speaker 2>see clear as day. Now the people that are my walkers,
<v Speaker 2>they're radioing in and saying, marsha, what's going on? There
<v Speaker 2>seems to be a dome of light over YouTube Boz
<v Speaker 2>high as a telephone pole, and it goes out about
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty yards. I go, okay, thanks, but do you
<v Speaker 2>see a spotlight being shown at us? Maybe it's like
<v Speaker 2>a helicopter or something, you know, think for breaking the law. No,
<v Speaker 2>they don't. They see no helicopters in the sky. And
<v Speaker 2>it's a starlit night. There's nothing, and but there's this
<v Speaker 2>dome of light over us, and we could see quite clearly.
<v Speaker 2>At this point, I grabbed my mini and my garment
<v Speaker 2>mini in reach. I popped the cap off the SOS
<v Speaker 2>button and I'm getting ready to push it, thinking something,
<v Speaker 2>this is not right. I'd rather I'd rather beg for
<v Speaker 2>a forgiveness, you know, I rather ask for forgiveness and
<v Speaker 2>beg for mercy at this point, and I'm and so
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting anything else gets weird or I'm pushing this
<v Speaker 2>SOS button. We could end up at David Politest chapter
<v Speaker 2>in a future book, I'm not sure. And all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, the darkness comes back. It's now night. The
<v Speaker 2>two Walker teams they've come back now in a rush.
<v Speaker 2>That light has gone. Well, we did lose radio reception
<v Speaker 2>just for a couple of minutes. My E and that
<v Speaker 2>and EMR meters were off the scale in the red
<v Speaker 2>zone for about a good thirty seconds. So I do
<v Speaker 2>monitor EMR and E and F while on night ops,
<v Speaker 2>along with some other instruments, and so it's like, what
<v Speaker 2>the hell just happened? I could never explain that. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I don't know both of us who stayed
<v Speaker 2>back in the middle, they got the light on us
<v Speaker 2>that night. I slept really sound. No medical or physical
<v Speaker 2>reaction or anything like that. It just something told me
<v Speaker 2>that I don't know, maybe we were in danger, and
<v Speaker 2>that's why I popped the cap from mysos button. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't push it, but I thought enough of the situation
<v Speaker 2>that I might have to.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and as a researcher, a scientist, do you believe
<v Speaker 1>in the supernatural? And what do you think it was?
<v Speaker 2>I achieve a special notebook for those things that I
<v Speaker 2>just simply can't explain. I don't try to fit it
<v Speaker 2>into a model or a mold just to say it works.
<v Speaker 2>I just I take the notes on that kind of
<v Speaker 2>stuff and write it down and maybe later it'll fit
<v Speaker 2>into something that can rationally explain it. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Certain friends of the WU, and we all know who
<v Speaker 2>the WU are, say that that was probably one of
<v Speaker 2>those portals potentially or UFO. I don't know. I know
<v Speaker 2>the mf MR readers were all the way read we shoot,
<v Speaker 2>many radiated and had severe health effects after that kind
<v Speaker 2>of exposure. I noticed on my sound analyzer I did
<v Speaker 2>not pick up any infrasound at all, and in fact,
<v Speaker 2>the background noise sort of went the nil less than
<v Speaker 2>zero hurts or at zero hurts for that timeframe as well.
<v Speaker 2>When I was monitoring with a spectrum analyzer. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>It's in that category of let me write it down,
<v Speaker 2>let me put everything down. I know about it, and
<v Speaker 2>hopefully one day it'll fit into something and I'll figure
<v Speaker 2>it out. I've had those encounters there that are not
<v Speaker 2>necessarily bigfoot, but happened during that time. Had another one.
<v Speaker 2>See this is Ohio where me and I have a
<v Speaker 2>group out and we're sitting between two old farmers fields
<v Speaker 2>and between the two fields there's a small one a
<v Speaker 2>one and a half acre a lot of trees. On
<v Speaker 2>the other side of that is a seventeenth i'm sorry,
<v Speaker 2>eighteenth and nineteenth century graveyard about two dozen gray headstones
<v Speaker 2>and me and there's six people in the group, but
<v Speaker 2>five of us had flear. We see and hear something
<v Speaker 2>move in the woods. We all activate our flear. We're
<v Speaker 2>all set at white Hot and we're looking into these
<v Speaker 2>woods and we see the outline of someone walking back
<v Speaker 2>and forth. But they're dark, they're black, they're not white hot.
<v Speaker 2>You can see that a lot of a hat on
<v Speaker 2>one of them, on this whatever it is, and it's
<v Speaker 2>walking back and forth, it's pacing. At one time it
<v Speaker 2>seems to stop and because of the body language, maybe
<v Speaker 2>looking at us and we're all looking through fleeer, We're going,
<v Speaker 2>this can't be happened. It should be white hot. There's
<v Speaker 2>someone moving around out there, we should see it, and
<v Speaker 2>it should be white hot, and we're all set and
<v Speaker 2>boom as quick as it came at left. The rest
<v Speaker 2>of the time we were in this location, we had
<v Speaker 2>the smell of like a real rustic men's cologne, sort
<v Speaker 2>of like a spoiled version of old spice that just
<v Speaker 2>permeated everywhere where we were at the first thought was, well,
<v Speaker 2>maybe some kind of weird snake copperheads do a cucumber
<v Speaker 2>smell or something, But no, it wasn't that. So how
<v Speaker 2>do you explain that? I can't. EMF and EMR were
<v Speaker 2>totally flatlined, nothing going on. Sound analyzer showed normal background noise,
<v Speaker 2>but yet all the flear set the white hot showed
<v Speaker 2>a black entity, a shadow entity walking back and forth
<v Speaker 2>in the woods.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying. And what other experiences do you have
<v Speaker 1>in the special notebook of things you can't explain?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I had an occurrence where this is in Pennsylvania.
<v Speaker 2>I can't say where. Obviously, sitting there with a group
<v Speaker 2>of six people and all of a sudden, there's no wind,
<v Speaker 2>all the force noise goes away. We have flear active everywhere.
<v Speaker 2>We got people with listening devices everything else, and we
<v Speaker 2>record what sounds like cannon fire and like gunshots. Well
<v Speaker 2>they lasted twenty thirty seconds, but it sounded like cannon fire.
<v Speaker 2>It sounded like someone firing muskets. That to you know
<v Speaker 2>where there's a double explosion, a swallow one and a
<v Speaker 2>loud one. And we have it on recorders that we
<v Speaker 2>know we heard it, we know it's there, but I
<v Speaker 2>just I don't know how to explain that. Later that
<v Speaker 2>night we go out there, Squatch gets over by one
<v Speaker 2>of the oil derricks that are near there and it's
<v Speaker 2>throwing rocks at us. We get tree knocks from two
<v Speaker 2>different directions. We recorded the first time. Fifty two tree
<v Speaker 2>knocks are occurring in two different tones, so it was
<v Speaker 2>two different trees, a total of fifty two tree's within
<v Speaker 2>a couple hours, going on back and forth, back and forth,
<v Speaker 2>like we were in the middle of something and they
<v Speaker 2>didn't care if we were there or not. I can't
<v Speaker 2>explain that. But the Canaan fire and the musket fire
<v Speaker 2>is it revolutionary war. Maybe it is a civil war.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know. I just forget my notebook of
<v Speaker 2>HM and I can't explain that right now. I just can't.
<v Speaker 2>Another occasion in northern Georgia again, these are all BFRO expeditions.
<v Speaker 2>And we're sitting there on top of a small hill
<v Speaker 2>and in a circle like we normally do, and a
<v Speaker 2>guy sitting next to me, all of a sudden goes
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel good, and he bends over. He starts
<v Speaker 2>shaking his head and he falls to the ground, and
<v Speaker 2>I look over towards him and I see in the
<v Speaker 2>tree line I hit with my with my fleer, there's
<v Speaker 2>a squatch looking up over a tree log. With my fleer,
<v Speaker 2>I videotape in the fleer, you know, the video. Chip
<v Speaker 2>gets up, walks through the woods, and walks away. While
<v Speaker 2>this is happening, he's experiencing what we think as like
<v Speaker 2>a mini stroke. Now late we know now later he
<v Speaker 2>was zapped. And below us in the hill, it looked
<v Speaker 2>like a string of white Christmas tree lights about ten eleven,
<v Speaker 2>twelve feet off the ground, just going in and out
<v Speaker 2>of the trees. Didn't come near us, but it just
<v Speaker 2>seemed to stay off at about fifty yards in and
<v Speaker 2>out of the trees and just circling back and forth,
<v Speaker 2>and then just like someone pulled the plug gone. I
<v Speaker 2>can't explain that. Later and more further research, I think
<v Speaker 2>I can explain this zapping. And I've put a lot
<v Speaker 2>of research. I've interviewed a large mammal specialists at two
<v Speaker 2>different zoos, et cetera. I've got an understanding, I believe,
<v Speaker 2>or a working model for that. However, seeing those orbs,
<v Speaker 2>just the geologists and meteorologist in me tells me that
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't exist, but it does. I've seen it with my
<v Speaker 2>own eyes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so certainly strange activity taking place out there. Not
<v Speaker 1>sure what it is, but it is happening.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yes, and that's happened along with you know, running
<v Speaker 2>through your camp and stealing food off tables and looking
<v Speaker 2>in the cars, sometimes pushing people through their tents. So
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of things going on that you just
<v Speaker 2>have to sit back and take notes and then re
<v Speaker 2>examine it later. I've seen other occasions where people have
<v Speaker 2>been zapped at different degrees, and I've come to learn
<v Speaker 2>that each person reacts differently to infrasound, and that infrasound
<v Speaker 2>is highly specific to the sender because it's dependent on
<v Speaker 2>the length of the vocal cords that could press air
<v Speaker 2>behind it, the size of the voice box, et cetera,
<v Speaker 2>and the receiver, the configurationals three bowls in each year,
<v Speaker 2>and the skull thickness and everything else. Others may not
<v Speaker 2>realize this, but to be zapped, that squatch has got
<v Speaker 2>to be within twenty to forty feet of you. That's
<v Speaker 2>how it works with large mammals. I've done to two
<v Speaker 2>different zoos to speak to professionals PhDs about that occurrence.
<v Speaker 2>And that is something that happens very close and it's
<v Speaker 2>not like we think. It knocks you out and you know,
<v Speaker 2>it makes you freeze in space. It confuses you emotionally.
<v Speaker 2>It can cause you to have a reaction like vertico
<v Speaker 2>or an upset motion, sickness or something like that. It's
<v Speaker 2>enough to distract you that an attack is coming, which
<v Speaker 2>is why certain large mammals use it to hunt with.
<v Speaker 2>But other mammals like elephants and whales, et cetera, use infrasound,
<v Speaker 2>or at least sound in that wavelength zero to twenty
<v Speaker 2>hurts to communicate with others and so with us. If
<v Speaker 2>a sender is sending out hurts frequency in the infrasound
<v Speaker 2>and you are susceptible to that particular frequency, you're going
<v Speaker 2>to have a reaction where everyone around you may not.
<v Speaker 2>And quite similarly, squatch may put out a signal and
<v Speaker 2>only another squash can hear it and not us. So
<v Speaker 2>so far, that's what the research has shown me in
<v Speaker 2>the data. I'm pretty I have a high degree of
<v Speaker 2>confidence that's generally accurate description of it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would agree.
<v Speaker 1>It seems like certain people are a lot more sensitive
<v Speaker 1>to the infrasound. And yeah, I do believe the sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>us something similar to echolocation. Sometimes we can't hear it,
<v Speaker 1>but I think they can over long distances. I've noticed
<v Speaker 1>things on the video recorders. I'll hear like woodenknocks that
<v Speaker 1>I never heard in the moment when we were having activity,
<v Speaker 1>and i'd review it and it's a clear, solid wood knock.
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like someone's breaking a pool table, and it's definitely strange.
<v Speaker 2>I've recorded with a spectrum analyzer sound analyzer from zero
<v Speaker 2>to twenty thousand herts as a scale I'm working with,
<v Speaker 2>and it's on a loggarithmic scale. I've recorded a seven
<v Speaker 2>point five hurts and eleven point five hurts, two different
<v Speaker 2>alternating frequencies that went back to back like a call
<v Speaker 2>and answer type conversation. I've recorded that. Those are something
<v Speaker 2>that you can take back to a laboratory and examine.
<v Speaker 2>That says, this entity over here was communicating with this entity,
<v Speaker 2>and here is their conversation. You would see it. The
<v Speaker 2>frequency of the call and response was not uniform, like
<v Speaker 2>a piece of equipment sending out a signal. Sometimes the
<v Speaker 2>seven point five verst would be two or three seconds long,
<v Speaker 2>maybe a second long, maybe ten seconds long, and there'd
<v Speaker 2>be a response in between. So here's some form of
<v Speaker 2>communication taking place now. So far, they don't know that
<v Speaker 2>we know that that we're recording it. If we start
<v Speaker 2>reacting as if we do, they may stop doing it.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's part of my model that they
<v Speaker 2>learn by watching us as to how we react to
<v Speaker 2>their behavior. So and for example, with long duration recorders,
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, there are screams and screeches out there that
<v Speaker 2>we send them off to a couple people who are
<v Speaker 2>affiliated with the BFRO and we ask them to analyze them,
<v Speaker 2>and they just shake the head and go nope, don't know,
<v Speaker 2>don't know. So you keep the recording, you keep it
<v Speaker 2>in a file, and okay, let's see if we ever
<v Speaker 2>id this again. Just like how the Navy will track
<v Speaker 2>a submarine. It has a very unique tone, it has
<v Speaker 2>a very unique sound signature. Well, now we have a
<v Speaker 2>sound signature of something that's emitting a groan in a scream.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we hear it again, maybe we're recorded again, and
<v Speaker 2>it matches up perfectly. Who knows. Just like my friend
<v Speaker 2>who has a finger in it a fingerprint file of squatches,
<v Speaker 2>he can tell you if there's fingerprints in your car.
<v Speaker 2>They'll go lift them, just like a forensic investigator, and
<v Speaker 2>they'll compare them to their data file. Yep, he's been
<v Speaker 2>here twice before. We've seen these fingerprints ten miles from here,
<v Speaker 2>five years ago. We've seen these fingerprints maybe thirty miles
<v Speaker 2>in this direction six months ago, something like that. And okay,
<v Speaker 2>so the data is catching up, the science is catching up,
<v Speaker 2>and it's just a matter of time. In certain parts,
<v Speaker 2>I regret that we're able to show that beyond our
<v Speaker 2>reasonable doubt that these animals exist, and it's just a
<v Speaker 2>matter of time.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and it seems like the BFRO is a
<v Speaker 1>lot more advanced than a lot of other research groups.
<v Speaker 1>And it's cool to see people collecting DNA footprints, fingerprints
<v Speaker 1>and all this information. And it goes beyond just saying, oh,
<v Speaker 1>it's a demon or it's just another person. There are
<v Speaker 1>people like there's got to be more to it, and
<v Speaker 1>I definitely do believe that, and it makes sense how
<v Speaker 1>these things can avoid people with ease, And yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>do believe there's something going on that we can't see
<v Speaker 1>or hear, and possibly some type of echolocation or sonar
<v Speaker 1>is at play. Definitely strange activity like we mentioned before,
<v Speaker 1>And I really do believe there's a way to figure
<v Speaker 1>this out. There has to be. And there's people that
<v Speaker 1>say you can't sneak up on them.
<v Speaker 3>I've done it.
<v Speaker 1>I've snuck up on sasquatch, but I've never seen the
<v Speaker 1>same one twice. And I think that makes sense that
<v Speaker 1>they learn once, once they mess up, they never do
<v Speaker 1>it again, or once they catch on to you, they
<v Speaker 1>figure you out and they're able to learn and adapt
<v Speaker 1>to their environment.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when we sort of entrap that one for a
<v Speaker 2>minute and a half, two minutes, we got a young
<v Speaker 2>one to focus on a white strobe light on the
<v Speaker 2>other end of these woods. When we heard them, we
<v Speaker 2>got our rais said, hey, turned on your lights. So
<v Speaker 2>they turned on, you know, the setting on your flashlight,
<v Speaker 2>a white strobe. We had two of them going on,
<v Speaker 2>and he just totally afphixiated on those two lights and
<v Speaker 2>didn't pay attention to what was happening around him. And
<v Speaker 2>so that's one exactly as you were referencing the others
<v Speaker 2>walking into a middle of a hunting party. They didn't
<v Speaker 2>hear us coming right We just walked right in the
<v Speaker 2>middle of it. Maybe if we were there fifteen twenty
<v Speaker 2>centuries later, we actually would have bumped into a squatch,
<v Speaker 2>walked right into the back or something. I think we
<v Speaker 2>were that close. So yeah, it is possible. However, I've
<v Speaker 2>got to say I don't want to discount and say
<v Speaker 2>the WU faction, the supernatural, the paranormal faction is wrong.
<v Speaker 2>I've seen things and heard things that I cannot explain,
<v Speaker 2>and so I don't want to tell them they're wrong.
<v Speaker 2>I experienced mind speak for the first time twice. If
<v Speaker 2>you had asked me a year and a half two
<v Speaker 2>years ago, I said, nah, shake my head. Now I've
<v Speaker 2>heard it myself, sitting with a group doing night ops
<v Speaker 2>and hear someone from the forest behind me over my
<v Speaker 2>left shoulder call out my name in a soft feminine voice.
<v Speaker 2>Marsha made me jump up and look confused. And then
<v Speaker 2>six months later, sending a completely different state in a
<v Speaker 2>research area of a friends of mine, in my tent,
<v Speaker 2>hearing voice come from the forest that says, go, what okay,
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's a frog, weird or a bird or something.
<v Speaker 2>And I go ot my tent and I'm listening, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm listening, and then I hear Marsha, it't mean my name.
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to discount the lou faction and I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to. You know, there are things that are
<v Speaker 2>happening out there that we just cannot explain, and there's
<v Speaker 2>a paranormal bent to it, and I don't want to
<v Speaker 2>discount that either. I'm just going to focus on the
<v Speaker 2>model and collecting the data. The bf RO O is
<v Speaker 2>very good with that. There's a dual mission. One is
<v Speaker 2>public information and being hoping to educate the public, and
<v Speaker 2>the other is collecting data. Now, the BFRO is not
<v Speaker 2>critter rare. It's not hey, I got a family, squatch
<v Speaker 2>my back forty they're eating my chickens. Come get rid
<v Speaker 2>of them. No, that's not us, that's not us. We'll
<v Speaker 2>come and study it. We'll take evidence, say okay, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's what you get, what we can certify. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's what's happening. But we're not there to get rid
<v Speaker 2>of them. And likewise, with a paranormal supernatural, I can't
<v Speaker 2>sit here in being honest and tell you that it's wrong,
<v Speaker 2>or it doesn't exist, or it's imaginary. I know as
<v Speaker 2>a trained multi discipline scientist, I have seen and heard
<v Speaker 2>things that I cannot explain and in parentheses next to
<v Speaker 2>that at large letters yet. But until I do, me
<v Speaker 2>and my friends and my neighbors will call it supernatural
<v Speaker 2>and paranormal.
<v Speaker 1>I would agree with that at this point, you can't
<v Speaker 1>discount anything, and we live on a mysterious planet.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that's terrifying.
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, that sent chills down my spine when you were
<v Speaker 1>talking about the mind speak, and I've gotten a lot
<v Speaker 1>of reports about that where it says someone's name, it
<v Speaker 1>calls it out loud, and I wonder, like, how do
<v Speaker 1>they know your name? But now it hit me doing
<v Speaker 1>this interview, and possibly it was mine speak when someone
<v Speaker 1>hears their name called out, or if they hear something
<v Speaker 1>that would saying help help.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, at first I was theorizing that in both
<v Speaker 2>situations we were using radio communication frs frequencies, and the
<v Speaker 2>communication we were having was Team one, Team two, Team three,
<v Speaker 2>base camp and the only name mentioned over the airwaves
<v Speaker 2>was my, Marsha. This is Team one, Marsha, the base camp,
<v Speaker 2>Team two, the Team one. Marsh Are you copying mine?
<v Speaker 2>Was the only name mentioned over the airwaves. Is that significant?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It could be. It could be. Now,
<v Speaker 2>I do know in all these experiences I've shared with you,
<v Speaker 2>I've sat and I carry a set of three by
<v Speaker 2>five cards with me, and it's three different Native American languages.
<v Speaker 2>One is Iroquois, the other's Cherokee. And when I say Iroquois,
<v Speaker 2>I mean oneight in on night in or on a
<v Speaker 2>dog in, and the other's Navajo. And when I get
<v Speaker 2>in a situation out there, I will go to the
<v Speaker 2>tree line and yell out these phrases in Cherokee, or
<v Speaker 2>I'll yell it in on a dog in on Naida Indian.
<v Speaker 2>Let's see if I get a response. It's an experiment.
<v Speaker 2>Only one time have I gotten a response. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what was said. I could just write it down,
<v Speaker 2>but who knows. Maybe it's worthwhile pursuing, I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>to have a Native American or First Nations person go
<v Speaker 2>out in the woods and start singing traditional songs, yelling
<v Speaker 2>out to the forest. Whenever they come across the squatch,
<v Speaker 2>talk to it in their native tongue. Maybe that will
<v Speaker 2>have some kind of positive effect. I don't know. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but that's part of what else we do,
<v Speaker 2>taking people out there. And I tell myself and I
<v Speaker 2>tell the participants, I'm not here to convince you of anything.
<v Speaker 2>I know they exist. I've seen them in person at
<v Speaker 2>a range of fifty feet or less three times in
<v Speaker 2>my life. It is rare. However, I put myself into
<v Speaker 2>positions where there's a high degree of probability i'll have
<v Speaker 2>an the counter and even so doing that, it's only
<v Speaker 2>been three times. However, I'm going to put you in
<v Speaker 2>a position where you could potentially have some kind of encounter,
<v Speaker 2>maybe an odor, you'll hear something, maybe you'll see something,
<v Speaker 2>maybe you'll sense something, and who knows, but convince you
<v Speaker 2>no that's not what I'm here for. I already know
<v Speaker 2>they exist. And with that understanding, you know, I love
<v Speaker 2>having skeptics come. I love having people go I don't
<v Speaker 2>know about this why, that's great, that's great. Please pick
<v Speaker 2>it apart, please analyze it. That's why when I go
<v Speaker 2>out on night ops, I have a backpack filled with
<v Speaker 2>monitors and electronic equipment. I'm monitoring electromagnetic radiation, naturing, gravimetric
<v Speaker 2>changes eansh you left a magnetic force of changes. I'm
<v Speaker 2>monitoring sound, I'm menturing infrasound. I'm monitoring all these spectral
<v Speaker 2>phases of potential evidence and see what happens, see what happens.
<v Speaker 2>I do know that half the time, fifty percent so far,
<v Speaker 2>I've been able to detect a squatch somehow interact with us,
<v Speaker 2>either running by us, sitting out there watching us. At
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty yards in eyeshine. When I get infrasound from
<v Speaker 2>two wavelengths going back and forth with one another, that
<v Speaker 2>tells me there's a squatch very nearby. Because the effective
<v Speaker 2>range of my microphones is only at best maybe fifty
<v Speaker 2>yards sixty so when I see on my meter ems
<v Speaker 2>spike up, I am er goes up, and then I'm
<v Speaker 2>watching infra sound at ten and at twelve or seven
<v Speaker 2>and thirteen or something like that. Now, seeing this conversation
<v Speaker 2>take place half the time, I've been able to say
<v Speaker 2>convincingly to myself, Yep, there's a squad here. Before we
<v Speaker 2>hear the footsteps, before we hear the branch breaks, before
<v Speaker 2>we sense the smell, I can detect that it's there.
<v Speaker 2>So far i've been you know, knocked on wood. I've
<v Speaker 2>been successful fifty percent of the time for it occurring,
<v Speaker 2>So eight out of sixteen times I've been right.
<v Speaker 1>That's incredible and it's awesome to hear that someone out
<v Speaker 1>there is deploying a lot of different tactics, using high
<v Speaker 1>end gear and collecting data. I suspect that the BFRO
<v Speaker 1>has figured out methods that they probably don't talk about
<v Speaker 1>out openly, and they'd have to because they've done so
<v Speaker 1>much research and there's a lot more equipment out there.
<v Speaker 1>What do you believe has worked the best for you
<v Speaker 1>with your research to experiencing the activity.
<v Speaker 2>I think this is gonna sound probably counterintuitive. I think
<v Speaker 2>putting yourself in a position where there's not a lot
<v Speaker 2>of people around in the forest go out there with
<v Speaker 2>you and one friend, good friends, set up a tent,
<v Speaker 2>set up a campfire, and just talk normal and interact
<v Speaker 2>with nature. Normally, if there's a squatch in the area
<v Speaker 2>and it's just you two there, they will find you.
<v Speaker 2>They will find you. They'll come visit you between midnight
<v Speaker 2>and four or five in the morning. Put a recorder
<v Speaker 2>in your tent, stay awake, do what you gotta do.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you hear it. You'll hear them walk up
<v Speaker 2>to your tent, hear them smell your car, or walk
<v Speaker 2>around the corners of your tent, and you'll hear a
<v Speaker 2>gruff or a groan, and they'll stay. Typically they stay
<v Speaker 2>for two, three four minutes. They see there's no food,
<v Speaker 2>they're gone. I don't encourage people to gift or leave
<v Speaker 2>food out unintentionally. That could start or a presidents that.
<v Speaker 2>Now if they don't get food, they get angry. I
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't recommend that, however, just putting you know, look at
<v Speaker 2>the Bigfoot mapping project, look at the b off our
<v Speaker 2>own database. You can most people have a good sense
<v Speaker 2>about them. They can look and say, wow, look at
<v Speaker 2>this one county in North Carolina. It's got three times
<v Speaker 2>more reports than anywhere else in a state. You know what,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to find a campground in that area. You'll
<v Speaker 2>spend a couple of nights. Again, do not do it
<v Speaker 2>by yourself. Go with a friend, a couple of friends,
<v Speaker 2>but isolate yourself away from other folks where you are
<v Speaker 2>in a position to encourage and encounter. And if maybe
<v Speaker 2>the first night nothing but second or third you'll probably
<v Speaker 2>get a visitor at night. You may even smell them.
<v Speaker 2>But I find that's probably the most encouraging way to
<v Speaker 2>have an encounter. Have a little small recorder. Olympus and
<v Speaker 2>other companies make real inexpensive audio recorders. Then in fact,
<v Speaker 2>now they have this micro technology little Wi Fi camera
<v Speaker 2>as big as a button on your coat that will
<v Speaker 2>bluetooth to your phone. But one of those don't put
<v Speaker 2>out a gamecam because they sense the ir but like
<v Speaker 2>most other animals do deer and bear, et cetera. However,
<v Speaker 2>you a little microcamera or something bluetooth on your phone,
<v Speaker 2>who knows, maybe you pick something up, maybe you'll get
<v Speaker 2>a shadow that corresponds with that audio recording. It doesn't
<v Speaker 2>take a whole lot of money, And this takes being
<v Speaker 2>a little common sense and put yourself in a position
<v Speaker 2>to have a higher percentage of an encounter. Again, the
<v Speaker 2>BFRO database, you can check that by county. Look at
<v Speaker 2>the state map and you can see where the predominance
<v Speaker 2>of reports are. Even look at the Bigfoot mapping project
<v Speaker 2>that cooperates with the BFRO and you can see, oh wow,
<v Speaker 2>there's fifty dots right there in that one little area.
<v Speaker 2>There's a beautiful state park there. What I'm going to
<v Speaker 2>go there in the middle of the week when no
<v Speaker 2>one's around Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Just camp out for
<v Speaker 2>a couple of nights. That's how you will get an interaction.
<v Speaker 1>No, I agree, the encounters I had were in the
<v Speaker 1>middle of the week. Yeah, it seems like when people
<v Speaker 1>are busy working, middle of the day, everyone's at school,
<v Speaker 1>these things come out to play. And it doesn't have
<v Speaker 1>to be nighttime. I know a lot of people say
<v Speaker 1>they're nocturnal, but they move during the day.
<v Speaker 2>No. In my current In the current South Carolina expedition
<v Speaker 2>that comes up in November, by the way, that's sold
<v Speaker 2>out in less than twenty four hours. Thank you everyone,
<v Speaker 2>we had an occurrence. We're doing a reconnaissance there and
<v Speaker 2>walk to the restroom and fifty feet away in the
<v Speaker 2>middle of the day. They have trash receptacles there that
<v Speaker 2>have heavy metal lids to dissuade raccoons and possums, et cetera.
<v Speaker 2>Go after trash and we hear the handle lift and
<v Speaker 2>the lids slam four times. We were the only ones
<v Speaker 2>in the park, no rangers, no anything, just us two
<v Speaker 2>and we hear slam, slam, slam slam. Okay, we walk
<v Speaker 2>back there, be careful, We look around, we start searching,
<v Speaker 2>and sure enough, there's a fourteen to sixteen inch footstep
<v Speaker 2>in the loose sand. Sure enough right there. Yeah, during
<v Speaker 2>the day, like two o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, they're there.
<v Speaker 2>We know they're there. And so again, putting yourself in
<v Speaker 2>a situation safely. I'm not saying go out in the
<v Speaker 2>middle somewhere and you know, get caught up and be
<v Speaker 2>in next chapter and gave play as his book or something.
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is be smart, go with a friend
<v Speaker 2>or two and have a nice, quiet little campground, cook
<v Speaker 2>some food, and if you do spot something, experience something,
<v Speaker 2>don't point, don't yell, don't run, don't scream. Let them
<v Speaker 2>think you don't see them. They'll come closer. If they
<v Speaker 2>think they're getting away with it, don't come closer. I've
<v Speaker 2>had eye shine from the back of my tent looking
<v Speaker 2>at us from twenty five to thirty feet because we
<v Speaker 2>acted like we didn't think he was there. So I
<v Speaker 2>think that's the best way to do that. And then
<v Speaker 2>once you have here encounter, like I said, don't overreact,
<v Speaker 2>be respectful the area always, you know, camp, you know,
<v Speaker 2>trek in, trek out, don't leave trash behind and hey,
<v Speaker 2>chalk it up, you had a great experience and leave, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>don't try to feed them or hunt them, or we're
<v Speaker 2>not out there to hunt. I'm a firm believer in
<v Speaker 2>non kill. I don't want to harm these animals at all,
<v Speaker 2>and to some degree you have to suspect one of
<v Speaker 2>the ways to protect them is let them stay. A
<v Speaker 2>myth'd be a way to protect them, So who knows, However,
<v Speaker 2>I know my passion is being out in the woods
<v Speaker 2>two or three weeks out of the every month, different locations,
<v Speaker 2>in encountering this big guy and you know, and sharing
<v Speaker 2>that with others.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's awesome.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure you guys get a lot of reports
<v Speaker 1>where it's not just deep in national forests or state parks.
<v Speaker 3>But you get.
<v Speaker 1>Reports where people live right outside of a small town.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's houses around, but there's still woods and their
<v Speaker 1>experience and activity having encounters. Do you guys get a
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a mixture of that where right on that
<v Speaker 2>edge of urbanization and woodlands, right in that edge, right
<v Speaker 2>where they those two meet, there's a higher amount of
<v Speaker 2>reports made at the same time. You know, there's a
<v Speaker 2>wonderful lady who lives out near Savannah, and bless her heart,
<v Speaker 2>she's in her mid eighties. She lives in a little
<v Speaker 2>quarter acre law in the house that she grew up in,
<v Speaker 2>and she's not in the town, but she's in the community,
<v Speaker 2>and she'll call you up three four times a month.
<v Speaker 2>There's a family sasquatch living in her backyard, you know. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so every once in a while, drive down there with
<v Speaker 2>a dozen donuts and a gallon of sweet tea and
<v Speaker 2>I sit and visit with her for a couple hours,
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, there's nothing there. So sometimes those reports come
<v Speaker 2>in and just you know, people for whatever their reasons,
<v Speaker 2>are not being one hundred percent accurate. And that's part
<v Speaker 2>of the job, is sorting out and still encouraging them
<v Speaker 2>to maintain their curiosity. But at the same time, it's
<v Speaker 2>not a verifiable report.
<v Speaker 3>No, No, I get a lot of those too.
<v Speaker 1>I had a guy in Missouri contact me a while back,
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted me to come out. He was very
<v Speaker 1>adamant about the sasquatch showing up to his place. I
<v Speaker 1>was really excited. It sounded like there was a lot
<v Speaker 1>going on there. But he showed me on a map
<v Speaker 1>and he's sitting in the middle of town. There's no
<v Speaker 1>woods or nothing.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, what, there's a considerable nunt of reports.
<v Speaker 2>You look at California near Idlewile and Big Bear, where
<v Speaker 2>because of the behavior of the folks, you know, Friday
<v Speaker 2>till Monday morning, you get ten thousand people flooding area
<v Speaker 2>where there's normally a population of two or three hundred.
<v Speaker 2>And as soon as all those tourists leave Monday morning,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Monday night, the squatches come out and they're
<v Speaker 2>digging through dipsy dumpsters or rooting through trash cans, et cetera.
<v Speaker 2>For food. They'll walk right through the middle of town.
<v Speaker 2>There was no one there.
<v Speaker 1>I thought about that too, because he was having all
<v Speaker 1>these encounters at nighttime when it get dark, So I
<v Speaker 1>was like, maybe it's possible. There's a tiny strip of
<v Speaker 1>woods in a ditchline and tons of houses around.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe yeah, same thing as Julian, California. A great
<v Speaker 2>place if you're looking for fresh baked apple pies and breads. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>it's a mecca for the locals who know and reports
<v Speaker 2>coming from there. Reports have been with Native Americans in
<v Speaker 2>the area, including the Agua Caliente and the Pachanga tribes
<v Speaker 2>of the Mission Man of Pachanga missionvan Agua Caliante, my
<v Speaker 2>Indians of squatches in those foot hills for hundreds of years.
<v Speaker 2>Reports from Marines in Camp Pendleton, I know when I
<v Speaker 2>was there, so saying, yeah, there's something out there about
<v Speaker 2>eight or nine feet walking around in the desert, and
<v Speaker 2>I mean you should be able to see it. But
<v Speaker 2>going through town, there's a couple festivals that go through Julian,
<v Speaker 2>real small, charming town and the motorcyclists go through the
<v Speaker 2>hills and beautiful riding on their bikes, and right around dusk,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the last guy on the bike who's a
<v Speaker 2>head quarter mile back because he doesn't want to push
<v Speaker 2>his bike. Also squatch runs across the road right in
<v Speaker 2>front of them. That's a middle town. So it happens.
<v Speaker 2>It happens, But usually when it does, it's in a
<v Speaker 2>heavily tourist area like Julian, like Idlewild, like Big Bear Lake,
<v Speaker 2>Arrowhead Lake, Tahoe. When you look at reports in those areas,
<v Speaker 2>you'll see it's during the non peak time when the
<v Speaker 2>tourists genuinely leave and it's just the locals, and that's
<v Speaker 2>when it happens.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, that fits the model of them hunting for food,
<v Speaker 2>all the trash that gets left behind, that sort of
<v Speaker 2>fits that model.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even though I'm skeptical of some of the reports,
<v Speaker 1>I remain open minded and I don't discount the supernatural.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I keep it in my own special
<v Speaker 1>folder as well. Anything's possible. You just got to treat
<v Speaker 1>them like anyone.
<v Speaker 2>Else, exactly. And yet, all data is good data. There's
<v Speaker 2>a phrasing marine Corps. All recon is good recon. Even
<v Speaker 2>if it's negative, it proves a positive. Right, So the
<v Speaker 2>same thing with this. All data is valuable. Even if
<v Speaker 2>it who's that nothing is there is still good data.
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, there we also want to get people
<v Speaker 2>out there that are one hundred percent honest, And that's fine.
<v Speaker 2>You have to anticipate that. But but you keep track
<v Speaker 2>of all the information.
<v Speaker 1>No, for sure. I've spoken with a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>and said they saw a giant buck. It was a
<v Speaker 1>huge buck and it was like a little bitty six pointer.
<v Speaker 1>They're like, look at it, it's huge.
<v Speaker 2>I'm you know that The average story from the fisherman
<v Speaker 2>it was how big you know? But okay, okay, But
<v Speaker 2>for those observations. Taking a group out on a hike
<v Speaker 2>once on Tennessee expedition, we we go down across this creek.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to go out through this area in the forest,
<v Speaker 2>and two different groups walked by the same went down
<v Speaker 2>the same trail and came back. It wasn't to the
<v Speaker 2>third group went by. The guy just happens to look
<v Speaker 2>to his left and there's a squash looking at him
<v Speaker 2>from over a tree, a fallen tree. How many times
<v Speaker 2>did all of us pass this during the day? Stored
<v Speaker 2>it close to a town and we went by it
<v Speaker 2>twice before. Oh, there it was. He was right there,
<v Speaker 2>hiding in plain sight. So again, if you put yourself
<v Speaker 2>in a position to where you increase your odds in
<v Speaker 2>doing it safely. I want to make sure your listeners
<v Speaker 2>are not interpreting what I say is to put yourself
<v Speaker 2>in danger. Do not put yourself in harm's way at
<v Speaker 2>any time you feel anxiety, you feel like you have vertico,
<v Speaker 2>you feel just uncomfortable. Leave, Leave, however, you go safely.
<v Speaker 2>Go out into the woods in an area where there's
<v Speaker 2>a high amount of preponderance or reports you staying a
<v Speaker 2>good chance having the visitation at night.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree the best tactic is to just
<v Speaker 1>go out in nature. And that's the best thing you
<v Speaker 1>can do. Because you can try playing music or playing
<v Speaker 1>flute sounds, or leaving food out, cooking bacon, but in
<v Speaker 1>the end, the only thing that matters is that you're
<v Speaker 1>out there. And another tactic, it is, like you said,
<v Speaker 1>search the BFRORO database and look at the Bigfoot mapping project.
<v Speaker 1>You'll see all those dots in a certain area, maybe
<v Speaker 1>it's the Uuri National Forest or whatever it's called. And
<v Speaker 1>you know, you just find a good spot out there
<v Speaker 1>where there's no people and maybe you'll experience something.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little trick from those who are out there.
<v Speaker 2>I don't cook bacon over a fire with it, with
<v Speaker 2>a frying pain and the fire. I buy cheap bacon
<v Speaker 2>bits and sprinkle them on my campfire just as and
<v Speaker 2>it seems like the imitation cheap bacon that oditor seems
<v Speaker 2>to permeate a lot farther.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea.
<v Speaker 2>I thought about getting miriated.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought about just like collecting bacon grease and
<v Speaker 1>leaving it out by the recorders, or maybe getting like
<v Speaker 1>vanilla extract. And I remember Ron Moorehead saying when he
<v Speaker 1>got that audio recording they were cooking Stu. Stu takes
<v Speaker 1>a long time to cook. It's a slow cooked meal
<v Speaker 1>and it leaves a scent that lasts a long time.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, you talk about scent. Uh. Part of
<v Speaker 2>my medical health care, so I have to use a
<v Speaker 2>a hormone patch of estrogen. And I used to ask
<v Speaker 2>myself why I was getting an innate amount of encounters.
<v Speaker 2>It might be because they can smell the thermones of
<v Speaker 2>those patches that are on my skin. But we experimented
<v Speaker 2>with that. A friend of mine bfro investigator or we
<v Speaker 2>talked veterinarian biologists specialists out of Washington. He comes out
<v Speaker 2>and visited us in Tennessee and Hey, let's give this
<v Speaker 2>a shot. So I take a couple of my hormone
<v Speaker 2>patches and we go rub some leaves around this and
<v Speaker 2>leave them on the bark and stuff like that, and
<v Speaker 2>we wait around a couple hours. Nothing happens, and some
<v Speaker 2>of us leave. We figure we'll go to the backside
<v Speaker 2>of the hill, make some noise and maybe push something
<v Speaker 2>towards us. And why we were gone. The two people
<v Speaker 2>that were back had two silhouettes walk between the vehicles,
<v Speaker 2>grunt at them, and go towards the tree where the
<v Speaker 2>faomones were, and then ran off up the hill. That
<v Speaker 2>was a pretty good observation. Yeah, very good observation. So
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was I don't want to do that again,
<v Speaker 2>one because it is a prescription, and two I don't
<v Speaker 2>want to how I put this plightly, I don't want
<v Speaker 2>to get a male sasquatch excited and have him track
<v Speaker 2>me down to my tent. That's not an encounter, you know,
<v Speaker 2>that i'd want to have. If you get my point,
<v Speaker 2>some excited state sasquatch looking for the source of those hormones.
<v Speaker 2>That would not be fun. So I've quit doing that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is there any way to get these pheromone chips.
<v Speaker 1>I know there was a BFRO guy that would sell
<v Speaker 1>like gorilla pheromone mixed with like human women.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about all those. Like I said, I
<v Speaker 2>use my own medical estrogen patches that are prescribed to
<v Speaker 2>me by a doctor at the VA, and I have
<v Speaker 2>to apply three of them to my skin, you know,
<v Speaker 2>twice a week, etc. And to deal with a hormone
<v Speaker 2>in balance. And so that's what I pulled out and used.
<v Speaker 2>Now all these other things of gorilla urine or other stuff,
<v Speaker 2>I can't attest to that. Again, I'm looking. I would
<v Speaker 2>encourage others have a safe encounter. I wouldn't put out
<v Speaker 2>any kind of gifting like that unless you're with other
<v Speaker 2>people who are really experienced with doing this kind of thing.
<v Speaker 2>I give you an idea about how you do something
<v Speaker 2>the wrong way. The first time I went out squatching
<v Speaker 2>on my own was a little San Brdanino mountains in
<v Speaker 2>Riverside County. And I go out and I'm gonna make
<v Speaker 2>a name for myself. I'm all energetic, and I find
<v Speaker 2>a nice little isolated campground out near Cherry Valley in
<v Speaker 2>the mountains there in Riverside County, and I got permission
<v Speaker 2>to be there, and I bring with me a quarter
<v Speaker 2>bushel us some really soft peaches and plums. They're starting
<v Speaker 2>to attract fruit flies and whatnot, so they're really smelly.
<v Speaker 2>And so it gets to be nighttime. I start a
<v Speaker 2>fire and I start chucking these peaches and plumps all
<v Speaker 2>the way round my campsite. I'm thinking to myself, I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to bring in a family of squatches. That's what
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking to myself. So it gets to be about midnight.
<v Speaker 2>I hit the hey, I lay awake as best I
<v Speaker 2>can it's on my tent, and lower them my hold.
<v Speaker 2>Within an hour, I hear movement, and out in the grass,
<v Speaker 2>I can hear strange scratching and all this stuff all
<v Speaker 2>the way around me. I think I got it. I
<v Speaker 2>got it. So I get out of my tent and
<v Speaker 2>then get ready to start snapping pictures, and I noticed
<v Speaker 2>that a family of skunks had totally encircled my tent
<v Speaker 2>and going after all this fruit. That's how not to
<v Speaker 2>do it. So so I've never done that again.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense. You can certainly attract a lot
<v Speaker 1>of local critters when you leave food out, and it's
<v Speaker 1>just really hard to determine what took the food.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. So that's one of the first experiences I
<v Speaker 2>ever had squatching, and I shared that story on the
<v Speaker 2>blueboards when I used to participate with those of the
<v Speaker 2>BFRO and everyone got a big truckle out of it. However,
<v Speaker 2>it taught me that you can't take this stuff for granted.
<v Speaker 2>And the people who go do this on a regular basis,
<v Speaker 2>they know little something about what they're doing. All props
<v Speaker 2>to you, and I see you out there, I hear
<v Speaker 2>about you out there. You know, do what you can
<v Speaker 2>get data information, et cetera. That it's totally cool, that's
<v Speaker 2>totally cool. That's the proper we to do it. Going
<v Speaker 2>out and throwing a bunch of peaches and stinky thumbs
<v Speaker 2>out in the forest to attract wildlife, that's not the
<v Speaker 2>way to do it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree, and I'm sure I try. I've
<v Speaker 1>tried a lot of things that probably don't make sense
<v Speaker 1>and probably won't work, but you can just check them, like,
<v Speaker 1>check them off the list and try something else. But
<v Speaker 1>I definitely know the Olympus seven M audio recorders work great,
<v Speaker 1>the Alltel Alpha Thermal night vision drone works good. And
<v Speaker 1>just having a camera on you. I mean, you just
<v Speaker 1>never know what you're going to see. Maybe you'll you'll
<v Speaker 1>come across the sasquatch that had no idea you were there,
<v Speaker 1>and you'll be glad you had a camera, and maybe
<v Speaker 1>it'll be the next Patty footage. But for the most part,
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they're well aware. When people have cameras, guns,
<v Speaker 1>they know you're hunting them.
<v Speaker 2>I usually for expeditions, I have a bodycam active when
<v Speaker 2>I'm on night ops, same kind of law enforcement use.
<v Speaker 2>They're a little pricey. I had that going. It's on
<v Speaker 2>my front jacket, and I also have a GoPro thirteen
<v Speaker 2>hero going as well, checking out my six behind me
<v Speaker 2>and on my sides, recording because you never know. You
<v Speaker 2>never know what's going to be on there. Six months
<v Speaker 2>from now, when you're going through countless hours of digital recording,
<v Speaker 2>you might see a glimpse of something in there. But
<v Speaker 2>at least with the bodycam, it's wherever I am that
<v Speaker 2>records the sound and video of everything going on around me,
<v Speaker 2>and so so far that's been a successful tool. Got
<v Speaker 2>a great recording through the mis he do'll mesh off
<v Speaker 2>my tent of a squat standing next to another investigator's
<v Speaker 2>tent and he had a hold of the tent hole
<v Speaker 2>gently shaking the tent, So that demonstrated to me that
<v Speaker 2>it worked quite well.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's so many tactics you can try, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>glad to hear that there's other people out there doing research.
<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned being out there for two or three
<v Speaker 1>weeks at a time. I wish I had time to
<v Speaker 1>do that, and that's definitely the way to go.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm fortunate that I'm a triple dipper. I have
<v Speaker 2>my retirement from the Marine Corps, I have my retirement
<v Speaker 2>for Exit Mobile, and now I have Social Security, so
<v Speaker 2>I have the way with all the go do that.
<v Speaker 2>And it's just something I like to do, even if
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any encounter. The fact that I can
<v Speaker 2>go out to a park and just lay in a
<v Speaker 2>hammock and enjoy the wind and the critters in the lake,
<v Speaker 2>and I thoroughly enjoy that. That's just where I feel
<v Speaker 2>at my best. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Okay, Marsha, I feel like this was a really
<v Speaker 1>good podcast and I definitely learned a lot from you.
<v Speaker 1>Do you have any more encounters any Class A sidings
<v Speaker 1>that you'd like to share, or does that sum it
<v Speaker 1>all up.
<v Speaker 2>Well, that one where we had gone and we set
<v Speaker 2>up all our tents to where we could all spy
<v Speaker 2>on one another, and everyone had to sit by and
<v Speaker 2>watch the other tent all night and lull Behold we say,
<v Speaker 2>at juvenile maybe a young adult at seven seven a
<v Speaker 2>half foot range comes right up to my friend Kathy's tent,
<v Speaker 2>and it's got his hand on the tent pole and
<v Speaker 2>right next to a tree that was next to them.
<v Speaker 2>And so we have a good idea for the height
<v Speaker 2>and the width, et cetera. And if you do a
<v Speaker 2>compression tests on the soil, have a good estimation as
<v Speaker 2>to the weight of the animal. And not right there.
<v Speaker 2>It was like, Wow, he was not bashful. And that
<v Speaker 2>was another class A sighting that we were able to observe.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, what did this one look like?
<v Speaker 2>This one had black hair, conical head ears on both
<v Speaker 2>sides of its skull, not on top it's face. At
<v Speaker 2>that distance you couldn't really see exact face details. However,
<v Speaker 2>the nose seemed to be a little recessed. The eye,
<v Speaker 2>the eye ride eyebrow ridge seemed to be a little
<v Speaker 2>bit more predominant muscular now compared to other juveniles. I'll
<v Speaker 2>see this one was much more muscular. It was. It
<v Speaker 2>still had a defined neck, but it was much thicker
<v Speaker 2>than what I've seen in the past. The shoulders were broader,
<v Speaker 2>more muscular. The arms hung pretty low, fingertips probably almost
<v Speaker 2>to the knees, a few inches above the knees. Me
<v Speaker 2>being six foot seven, when I see something another animal
<v Speaker 2>that's a foot taller than me, I noticed all those
<v Speaker 2>little things. The other thing that calfs in the buttocks
<v Speaker 2>were really heavily muscular. Another observation to point out to
<v Speaker 2>yourself and your listeners. This is a good friend of
<v Speaker 2>mine pointed this out. Okay, when all these reports, do
<v Speaker 2>you ever hear of someone reporting a belly button that
<v Speaker 2>was suggested they have a belly button, that they are
<v Speaker 2>a placenta mammal. No one ever reports seeing a belly
<v Speaker 2>button at all. I've never seen one. Yeah, yeah, because
<v Speaker 2>it would tell you that means life, birth, a placenta,
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. In biblical cord do they do like some
<v Speaker 2>tribes in Africa and some groups in South America, where
<v Speaker 2>the female or birding mother will actually bite the cord.
<v Speaker 2>The women sometimes will cook the placenta and eat it
<v Speaker 2>as a village as a group. No. No, So now
<v Speaker 2>I try to make it a point to see if
<v Speaker 2>there are people who observe a belly button. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, a good friend of mine, he brought
<v Speaker 2>it up that perhaps these are not animals like we
<v Speaker 2>suspect they are. That maybe they are are what did
<v Speaker 2>he call him, nephroim?
<v Speaker 1>Uh?
<v Speaker 2>I know, I can't say yes or not to that. Again,
<v Speaker 2>it's part of that rule factor that I don't know. However,
<v Speaker 2>I had the privilege being out there with him on
<v Speaker 2>a trail a couple of times and telling me to
<v Speaker 2>record behind me and all these other things, and so
<v Speaker 2>I felt kind of privileged to have shared that. But anyhow, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>if anyone's bossibility button, please point it out, Uh, I'd
<v Speaker 2>like to. I'd like to know, because I have yet
<v Speaker 2>the fine one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I wonder the same. I mean with the
<v Speaker 1>creature that's covered with hair, it's hard to determine that
<v Speaker 1>unless you you see one that doesn't have any hair
<v Speaker 1>on its chest, which you get those reports. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to know if anyone else has seen a
<v Speaker 1>belly button on a sasquatch.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly, I don't know, but just you know, if
<v Speaker 2>these are in fact a mammal, If in fact they're
<v Speaker 2>an animal in the forest, let's start looking at all
<v Speaker 2>the physical characteristics that should be there. Okay, one of
<v Speaker 2>them is going to be a belly button, and no
<v Speaker 2>one's reported one at all. So maybe it's because of
<v Speaker 2>the excitement of the encounter that's the last thing to
<v Speaker 2>look at, or they see a penis, or they say breast,
<v Speaker 2>so they're not going to worry about seeing a belly button.
<v Speaker 2>Who knows. But at the same time, no one has
<v Speaker 2>reported one. I find that odd.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've never had anyone report that it had a
<v Speaker 1>belly button. Okay, well, Marsha, we're running out of time, and.
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you. I hear you.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Michael John.
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. Like I share with the others, if
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to check in with me about every six months,
<v Speaker 2>so I give you an update.
<v Speaker 1>That sounds good, and hopefully I can have you back
<v Speaker 1>on in the future, and I'm sure you have a
<v Speaker 1>lot more information to share and definitely keep in touch
<v Speaker 1>and maybe we can communicate back and forth about different
<v Speaker 1>tactics and gear to use. And I'd like to learn
<v Speaker 1>more and just gather more data myself.
<v Speaker 2>Understood, understood, and that goes both ways. Miguel. You learn something,
<v Speaker 2>even it's a little tidbit. Maybe it's a specific type
<v Speaker 2>of groan that you like over another. Put that out
<v Speaker 2>on the airwaves. You don't have to do me personally,
<v Speaker 2>but put it out there, share it with your peers.
<v Speaker 2>And just like I shared with y'all about putting bacon
<v Speaker 2>mits in the fire or not looking directly at them,
<v Speaker 2>monitoring infra sound, those are all things we need to
<v Speaker 2>share must our peers.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And right now I feel like the all Tel
<v Speaker 1>Alpha drone that I just purchased is the best piece
<v Speaker 1>of gear that I have because although it's loud, you
<v Speaker 1>can have it flying above you and you can zoom
<v Speaker 1>in miles and miles away and see it clearly.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've noticed though there's some places where we do
<v Speaker 2>expeditions it is prohibited to have a drone.
<v Speaker 3>M Yeah, there's certain areas.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or you have to have a specific license type
<v Speaker 2>to operate a drone in that area.
<v Speaker 3>And so it seems like it's.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably, but I don't know almittry, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>enough about them. I know I played around with one
<v Speaker 2>that cost one hundred bucks in my backyard. I lost
<v Speaker 2>it within in the afternoon, never found it. So that's
<v Speaker 2>my extent with drones.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the best way is just to have boots
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, be out there and spend as much
<v Speaker 1>time as possible in nature.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. And what's the worst thing that can happen?
<v Speaker 1>You enjoyed the nature m Yeah, and although they don't
<v Speaker 1>like the cameras, if you come across structures or an
<v Speaker 1>awesome track, at least you got a camera to document it.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. That's why I recommend the body cams. They
<v Speaker 2>just record continuously. You know. You can get ones out
<v Speaker 2>there like mine will do ten to twelve hours, depending
<v Speaker 2>on the quality setting, and just walk around, do your
<v Speaker 2>normal stuff at camp and have that body cam running.
<v Speaker 2>At the end of the night, pull the chip out,
<v Speaker 2>put another chip in it, do it again the next day.
<v Speaker 2>You never know what might happen. The last bite of
<v Speaker 2>technique is before you go to bed at night, every night,
<v Speaker 2>before you zip up that ten take a quick picture
<v Speaker 2>of your camp and when you get up in the morning,
<v Speaker 2>compare it to the picture you took when you went
<v Speaker 2>to bed.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, Yeah, that's a good point. I've never thought
<v Speaker 1>about that. I'll definitely keep that in mind because the
<v Speaker 1>last time I camped at one of my research areas,
<v Speaker 1>I heard something stomping around. I mean, I went to
<v Speaker 1>bed like at three thirty in the morning, and I
<v Speaker 1>woke up around four thirty or five, and I heard
<v Speaker 1>something stomping. I could hear it breathing, just like and
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was my friend Adam that got up
<v Speaker 1>to take a leek. And then as I was hearing
<v Speaker 1>that noise outside of camp, I heard him slightly snoring
<v Speaker 1>in his tent and I was like, wait, that's not him,
<v Speaker 1>and I fell asleep and then I woke back up.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was minutes later, and I
<v Speaker 1>heard the same thing, and I was just kind of
<v Speaker 1>too afraid to go outside, and I just fell into
<v Speaker 1>a deep sleep. And I woke up the next morning
<v Speaker 1>and saying, man, this happened, and I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>it was a dream, And my friend Adam said, weird,
<v Speaker 1>I heard the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But if you get up in the morning and
<v Speaker 2>compare the two pictures, you see that maybe a solar
<v Speaker 2>panel has been moved, or a chair has been tipped
<v Speaker 2>over or something like that and you'll see it. It'll
<v Speaker 2>be quite obvious to you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. It was making a racket. You
<v Speaker 1>could hear pots and pans moving and they were like
<v Speaker 1>in a container. But when I woke up the next morning,
<v Speaker 1>everything was the way it looked before I went.
<v Speaker 2>To bed, exactly.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Okayell, it's been a really nice chat with you.
<v Speaker 2>Then let me know if you ever want to chat again.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, that sounds good.
<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate you for taking the time and openly
<v Speaker 1>sharing these experiences on the channel.
<v Speaker 3>It really means a lot.
<v Speaker 2>Not a problem, not a problem once spread the data
<v Speaker 2>and get the news out there.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and just let me know if you need anything
<v Speaker 1>in the future.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I shall take care.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, you take care.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, bye bye.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for watching this powerful conversation with Mark from
<v Speaker 1>the BFRO. Marsha's research, field work and experiences shed new
<v Speaker 1>light on the mystery of Bigfoot and the government's possible
<v Speaker 1>interest in these encounters. It was certainly insightful hearing about
<v Speaker 1>the different tactics the BFRO uses and all the different
<v Speaker 1>equipment that they use out in the field. It would
<v Speaker 1>certainly make sense that there are frequencies being used out
<v Speaker 1>in the forest that we cannot hear being produced by sasquatch,
<v Speaker 1>and possibly our equipment is able to pick it up.
<v Speaker 1>It could be possible the sasquatch have a built in
<v Speaker 1>sonar or possibly use echolocation similar to bats. Bats use echolocation,
<v Speaker 1>they emit high pitched sounds and listen to how the
<v Speaker 1>echoes bounce back from the echo pattern. They can construct
<v Speaker 1>a kind of three D sound map of their environment.
<v Speaker 1>Could it be possible the sasquatch are utilizing these same
<v Speaker 1>techniques to survive out in the forest, And it's my
<v Speaker 1>theory that possibly the tree structures that are being found
<v Speaker 1>all around the world represent these three D maps that
<v Speaker 1>are constructed by sound. This lets them detect not just
<v Speaker 1>the presence of an object, but also its shape, size, texture,
<v Speaker 1>and movement. Maybe instead of researching primate behavior and human behavior,
<v Speaker 1>it would be best to understand every single ability that
<v Speaker 1>animals possess in the animal kingdom to better understand the sasquatch.
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