Mike Bibby on mentoring Jeff Teague, losing to Kobe’s Lakers, playing with LeBron on Heat

The volume. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.400 All right, we back another episode of Club five twenty podcasts. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.200 I'm the host, my name is DJ Wells. We got 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:12.440 a special special guest. 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:12.879 In the building. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.279 Yo vet a legend. To my left, Man, we're gonna 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.120 introduce my man's last to my far left. We got 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.000 my dog. Bishop be hearing out the pre legs. How 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.600 you was nasty, cool and nasty. Let's get to a baby. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:24.520 Let's see Bibby. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.000 Normally he come to work and you know how to struggle, 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:28.720 and he come to work with the black forces of 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:30.000 the White Lacey. But he had to tell them we're 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:31.600 gonna let him work out in the prime time today. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.000 You know what I'm saying, Man, shout out to prime Man. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:41.360 He got the t and though both all day. He 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.600 started off to my right, my dog young not your 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:45.040 young tea. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:46.839 Got you what Man, I'm chilling and I had to 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.520 put some Jordans on for team down Man. Yes, sir, 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.199 my God showed me so much loving Onlon. I'm so 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:53.199 high for this episode. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:53.680 My o, G. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:55.760 I'm gonna let you do the honest. DJ and Man 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:56.279 for show Man. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.360 Listen Man, one of my favorite players of all time, 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.440 man before the Steph Curry he was the cod is 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.000 Light skinning point guard. Ever man got a long time 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.480 NBA fed sneaker fishing out. We got the man Mike 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.760 Bibby in the building. Appreciate you slide on this, big dogs. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.880 Y'all, haven't man, I've been. I told Jeff, Jeff, you 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.080 got to get me on there man. Soon I called him. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.520 I was wondering if you I'm surprised you have the 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:14.320 same fucking number. 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.080 Yeah, I don't switch up too much. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:17.400 And I called him, I said, Jeff, I need to 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:19.200 get on there, man, So you know, I appreciate you 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:19.960 getting me on here. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:20.920 Show man. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:21.560 We excited. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.200 I mean, I tell everybody that's the best teammate og 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:24.800 I had. 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:27.920 He showed me love, he showed me the roads. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:34.520 Fucked up too, because real because I wasn't the guy. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.399 I wasn't the bit that I wanted to be. Because 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.480 that's some ship in the upper management going on. When 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.080 they draft, I'm like, damn, they're trying to get me 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:42.440 out of here. They got a point guard. I didn't 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:43.959 really know much about you when you came, but when 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.839 you came, I knew a matter of time he was gonna, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.760 you know, eventually take it over. But I mean, I 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.080 feel like I didn't give I gave you a little bit. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.640 I didn't give you all that I think I should have, 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.240 just because the ship that was going on. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.280 Man now, but you used to always tell me, like 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.120 my rookie year, you showed me love. I really have 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.720 to pay for nothing I have to I was out 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.000 whatever I had to do. You made sure I was okay. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.080 But you always told me, like, your time gonna come. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.120 You enjoyed mind used to be like, yo, your time 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.440 gonna come. Don't worry about the big because I wasn't playing. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.520 You like, don't trip about it. Your time gonna come. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.640 He was like you, like, you're gonna replace me. And 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.320 as a young dude, I couldn't understand that. I'm like 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.399 many he keeps saying that, bro, I want to play 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.600 right now. And then as I got older, I was like, dang, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:23.960 I know what Bigby was talking about. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.519 See, but what what do you always what? He started 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:27.880 me out of respect? You know what I mean? There 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:29.960 was times, you know, when I first got there, you 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.000 know it was time. But the second year, halfway through 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:34.960 the second year is like, okay, I'm trying to I'm 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.119 starting to wind down. But then even in the third year, 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.679 he had to start me just out of respect, you 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.080 know what I mean. And even when I went to 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.960 New York, he was like, I wanted to play me 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.200 and start me. I'm like, what he I'm done. I 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.960 was done like two years ago. I'm not trying to 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.639 play right now. So I mean, that's just the way 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.359 what he was, you know, just out of respect he 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.920 would starting me. And like I said, I knew your 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.679 time would come. Man. You took over that team and 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.040 led that team to the next playoffs when it was coming. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:03.320 So I appreciate it. Man. 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.120 I did learn a lot though, Like I couldn't shoot, like, 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.080 but the pocket passing and stuff like, I learned that 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.920 all from him. He taught me how to play with 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.400 Al Horford for so like. But he's like, hey, this 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.280 is how you gotta get out open. You hit this 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.400 pocket past hour, you'll get an assist every time. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.480 And I was like, yeah, I remember the one time 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.320 he was in practice and I you know, I mean 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:24.920 I I catched the ball from it. You know, they 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.600 make a standing this close to me. I said, Jeff, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.680 what do you do? He's like, man, they told me 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.240 to pick you up full court. I said, for fucking 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.080 You're gonna try to work and practice. I'm trying to 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:39.720 say this ship for the game. Man, I'm just like, 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.760 come on, I just throw that ship to Joe. Joe smooth, 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:48.920 go ahead, y'all. I mean like, as soon as I 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:50.880 kind of about to turn around and walking up the court, 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:55.760 he's standing. They just told me to pick you up 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.960 full court. I got to pick you up. Come on. 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.120 Every practice too, man, practice for sure. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.720 That might cut my years down. Problem, yeah, Man, Like, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.160 come on, man, just pick me up at half Man, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.800 I'm gonna come down and swing it, and I'm gonna 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.480 be the fifth option. You know what i mean. Come 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:16.400 to me. I'm gonna shoot it. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.080 So man, we got we got to the origins. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:19.280 Man. 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.520 Like I said, Man, your basketball career is crazy, especially 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.880 with today's climbing with the nil and stuff. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.320 How good you were in high school? 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:26.520 Man? 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:28.479 You the cash there early. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.479 I would have liked a little bit. Man. I didn't 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.920 need the five million that they're getting now, but I 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.520 would I could have took a couple of thousand, a 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:41.120 couple when you're coming from nothing, we couldn't even get 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:42.599 a slice of pizza. You were there when you couldn't 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.400 even get a slice of pizza for free. Fact. So man, 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.880 it's good, like the money they getting there, and it's good. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.400 But when you get paid more than the coach, that's crazy. Nothing. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.839 If I'm playing man and I'm making more than the coach, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.159 coach won't be able to tell you anything. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.960 Yeah, especially sixteen seventeen. 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:07.280 Yeah, come on, man, But it's about time to get them. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:08.960 They deserve the money, man, deserve it. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.760 But if you was to get paid you, how much 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.159 you think you would have got? Liked to go to 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.400 Arizona from out here? 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.240 I think it's been a lot. Everybody always talks about 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.200 how much money I got from going to Arizona. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:20.520 I didn't. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.800 I didn't get a dime go to Arizona. No, I 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:25.279 believe I know you got some money. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.479 Not when I got there, I got some money. I 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.560 didn't get none to go there. But when I got there, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.640 I definitely made my around. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.760 Maybe about eight yeah, for sure to get But he 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.680 was the number one, number one point guards class. He 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.679 was a Gatorade Player of the Year ninety six. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.040 Looking at these guys now, like you're getting some backups 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.400 and stuff now making a million two million, That was 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:51.960 the guy the football player from Texas, the backup. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.680 You're talking about talking about taking like. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.640 Three million dollars. Ain't play the game yet. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:05:58.760 That's many. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:11.479 Clearly everybody known Henry was like the most Henry. The 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.279 most money Henry ever made in the season was seventeen thousand. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.680 Wrong, man, what thousand? 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.800 The NBA dem are Oh yeah, but they they owe 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:21.520 some of the old guys. 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:22.280 They definitely do. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:27.120 You definitely do for Henry on and clear seventeen. It's crazy. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:32.599 That's we're playing with Maurice Cheeks, doctor j Doug Collins, yeah, 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.400 se Darryl Dawkins. So you have a lot of guys 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:35.800 with him. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.240 That's a squad. Yeah, but you can't hoop it and 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.760 have to have a part time job. That's that's. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:42.960 That's crazy. 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.400 A lot of them was like that back then. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.920 It was so like we said, man, we in Arizona 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.640 and what you did in the shorts man like legendary stuff, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:53.520 and man, we got to you know, we talked about 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.320 shoes on here, man, and what you do for the 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:55.880 shoe game. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:57.440 We just got to start there. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.360 How was that to be at like that school where 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.839 they was like the insight for all the dope shit. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.359 We really weren't. We were just you know what happened. 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:06.719 I'm gonna tell you the story of how we got 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:11.480 the phones we got. So back then, everybody always like 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.080 if your uniform was written white, you wore the same 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.080 color as a uniform as white, you know what I mean. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.280 So the Nike guy comes before the tournament and was like, hey, 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.040 I got a shoe for you guys. It's not out 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.640 yet and it's not your color. But soon as you 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.240 say it's not out yet, I said, I don't care 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.960 what color you need them I need. So they gave 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.600 one pair of everybody on the team. Some of the 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.120 guys warm, someone didn't. And I just think that me 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.880 wearing them and being on the court all the time 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.960 kind of set it off for me and winning the championship. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.520 And you know, Penny was pissed that we wore the 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.960 shoes before him, so he didn't get a chance to 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.120 wear it, but so we got to wear him before him, 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.000 so I don't think he ever even wore those ones 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:53.559 that we had. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.240 And it was crazy because he was just like, man, 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:56.480 it'd been one thing. You know, I'm saying how it 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:57.720 worked out. He was like, well, man, I seen my 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:58.920 signmon and my shoe before me. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.280 He was he was. They told us too, But I 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.200 mean it made the shoe blow up, made the shoe iconic. Yeah, 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.960 so what else can you ask for with that happened? 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:14.200 I'm surprised, like you didn't go with like Nike full well, 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.000 I know you with Nike with Jordan's, but like how 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.440 you deal with those shoes and how the phones blew up, 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:20.200 I'm surprised. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:21.840 I ain't see, like, man, let's do this. 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.520 But I mean, it wasn't like it isn't like it 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.640 was back then how it is now, you know, stuff 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:32.480 like that. But Jordans and pun was only two shoes 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.320 that came at me. Nike didn't really come at me. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:38.120 So damn Pune was giving the most money out at 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.040 that time, and they, you know, we got Puma, so 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:43.480 it was like a million dollars or something it was 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.720 giving out. And so they sent me a box and 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.960 I opened the box. I was like, man, I can't. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.760 The shoe was like this long and it was just 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.439 had the Puma thing on the side. It was like, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:02.000 I mean, it was like the clock. I said, I can't. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:03.880 I said, I told him. I called my agent, I said, Dave, 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.240 I can't wear this, and he was like, you want 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.679 to go with I could probably get you. Would you 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.559 wear Jordan's I said, fucking right. That's when he put 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.000 it on there, so it was a done deal. So 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.360 I was I was with Jordan for my whole fourteen 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:16.920 year career. 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.920 Damn, that's funny because you almost had a situation with Puoma. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.240 Oh yeah, I did almost go with Poma. This was 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.120 some you know, they was a little. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.079 Bit more updated. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.679 Because nobody was in basketball. Yeah, that was basketball stuff 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.640 going on. They sent me soccer ship. It was like 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:38.599 all florescent colors in ninety Florescan wasn't really it back then. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:45.760 Yeah, it was gonna be their first Freddy I do no. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.800 But I got a crazy story about when I was 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:52.400 ten years old when y'all played in Indianapolis the Final four. Yeah, 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.880 I met you. We're at Yeah, you was coming getting 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:57.400 on the bus. We was outside. I told you all 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.240 was the badass kid. So he was out there and 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.920 we was like, yo, you can sign this, and you 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.080 signed a paper for me and I was like, yeah, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.240 that's when you became like. I was like, I like 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:10.360 Mike Bibby because you signed the paper. Mike Bibby is cool, cool, cool. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.240 I was ten years old. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.680 You would have been younger than that. I was, what 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.040 because I was eighteen? 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.240 Okay, so I be like eight yeah something in Indianapolis. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.000 Yeah, steak and shake after the game. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:30.760 Yeah, right, that's when you sign my order. Girl. I'll 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:31.320 never forget that. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.320 Then, when I fast forward, I remember telling my mom 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.880 because my mom remember too. And when I got drafted, 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.679 I was like, there was like Mike Bibby on the team. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.040 I was like, damn. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.360 It was like, yeah, Mike's starting guard. He's gonna be 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.000 coming back because you just had signed a new deal 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.400 with him. He's gonna be coming back. He's going to 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.520 teach you the ropes and stuff. And I was like, damn, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.320 I got his autograph when they played in the final. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:58.319 That's crazy. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:10:59.640 They was like what year was that? 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:01.160 Seven? 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:01.400 Yeah? 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.720 He was like you should tell him that, And I 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:04.079 was like. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.600 I had a cold college saying because that following year, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.000 y'all went to the DIY, y'all go to the Elite eight. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.320 We got our ass kicked by Utah. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.560 Yeah, y'all lost by Utah, but you had a killer game. 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.600 I think you had like nah before that, I guess Maryland. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.440 I think had like twenty six I believe out of Maryland. 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.240 And then yeah, they put a they put a triangle 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:32.880 in two on us in Utah, so like they said, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.280 you know, I think he talked to so the coach 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:39.760 was Majerial's right, and he talked to an NBA coach, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.760 I forget what you want, and he was he said, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.520 try this defense, and he said, like if the other 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.920 guys would have hit some shots, that he would have 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:50.560 got out of it. But some of our other guys 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.800 everybody was called that game. He lost, but like I 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:58.520 think he almost loved, like twenty five Yeah yeah, Doleiac 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.679 yeah yeah, but they beat the sh out of us. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.360 Miller was killing and he probably still somewhere killing somebody 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.520 in the open gym, open LF. 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:09.960 It's still probably handed out work. 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:12.960 Is that what you knew? Like, yeah, I'm done with 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:13.280 this ship. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.320 Yeah, I think the game was over there that they 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:16.959 kept asking me the question. I already knew what I 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.080 was gonna do. I mean, there's nothing else from your dude. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:19.199 You know. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.960 They wanted me to leave my freshman year and then 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.480 I was like, I'm not ready, man too, I'm not 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.840 ready mentally physically, not and then after my sophomore I 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.200 was like, Ship, I'm ready, Now. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.199 Would you play the year at the conference your freshman year? 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.400 No, sophomore sophomore year, yeah, sliphomore year after I was, 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:38.760 And that's why I knew it was time to go. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:40.520 What you think you would have win if you left 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:41.920 your freshman year you think would have been. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:43.520 I mean probably think I probably would have went the 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.000 first round. I don't know, like that Ship that was 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:47.800 a I. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.600 And then yeah, I was just wondering, Yeah, drafted duck. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:52.600 Yeah that's what I said. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:58.079 It was a good right decision. That was yeah smart. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:12:59.920 I just wonder if you thought you. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.640 Go, Like, no, I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. I 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.480 knew I wasn't ready. That's what I was, just like, fucking, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.520 I'm gonna stay. I'm gonna stay, man, get another year 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.679 and go on killing and see what I gotta do 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:13.720 because I was My girl got pregnant that that summer, 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.520 so like shit, I got him making now you know 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:17.400 what I'm saying. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:21.000 So damn that's real. And what's crazy is I mean 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.839 we're gonna jump back around, but your pe game. But 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.040 the George was so crazy. I had a homeboy. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.719 Shout out to my homide Dre when you see is 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:28.319 he gonna laugh? 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.559 He had got a pair of pees from somebody that 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.120 he had had that I ended up getting them from him, 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.920 the nine lows, the white and purple. One of my 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.199 prize was just I've ever had from the shoe, what's 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.199 one of your favorite pees you had because you had 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:41.160 a lot of heat. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:46.040 Either say the nines or the thirteen's, those are probably 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:47.800 the best ones. I mean, those are the most comfortable 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.640 ones to play in. Kill my feet, I mean, but 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.240 now they do but exactly different. Yeah, so if you're 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.360 playing them now, you're used to playing the comfortable shoes. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.199 But I mean they were all low. So, like the 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:04.600 loads came about because at the beginning of the season, 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.880 they'll send you like a little booklet with all the 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.640 shoes they're gonna have you wear during the year, and 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.720 it was all, you know, the fives and nines and everything, 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.480 and I was just like, can mak them a low top? 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.240 And they were like, yeah, we're probably making them low top. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.960 So that's when me and Derek Anderson started getting those 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.280 low tops and they started cutting everything in the fives, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.880 the two's, the nines, thirteen's everything. So it kind of 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:31.720 just played out and it's just like, you know it, 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:33.120 just give us all the low tops. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.560 That's fire. So y'all really basically started the low twos 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:37.240 and all that stuff. 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:39.760 You could probably say that, yeah, because I mean because 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.440 no one else in the in the brand was wearing loads, 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:42.800 said me. 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:47.400 And Dad said, yeah, talked about that. Yeah. 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.440 So man, it's just I mean, it was good. The 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.280 thing was good about it is that you get the 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.160 shoes like two months early and just wear might you 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.960 can not now, but I mean the players that get 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.120 that are playing now get them earlier. You know, they 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.600 kind of say you just a little bit to the end, 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.360 but you know they still take care of me. Get 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:05.840 a box every month, so it's good. 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.800 Shout out to j B. I mean, that's crazy. You know, 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.120 Jeff is a crazy snick here. So baby being your 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:12.000 team mat you know what I'm saying. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:13.080 It was Adidas when you was. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.800 When I first got there, I was Nike, and then 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.600 I went to Adidas. I remember when I was we 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:19.280 was playing, y'all, one time I had Adidas on. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:23.560 He was like, man, what the fuck? But when I 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.160 first got there, I had Nikes, but I was. 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.920 I used to look at his and his claws and 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.080 his little cubby they had at the Mareen iced to 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:32.560 looking there and that used to go to the backward 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:33.920 back I get them. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.160 He'd be like, he's gonna kill me. Man, I could 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:36.960 not touch those. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.520 You could have had anything you want, but I used 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.200 to be scared because you used to be so like nah, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.160 You'd be like you could have them and be team Jordan. 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:51.080 You took careful. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.600 P though, like because you was like your PE's was 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.400 hard at that time. I had you got the red 0:15:58.440 --> 0:15:59.560 and white twelve p M. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.800 And I was like maybe. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.160 He was like no, man. 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:06.360 Was like, only got one. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.320 I was like ship and the high Top. I didn't. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:10.720 I didn't plan. I still got him. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.440 Yeah, they was hard. I was like can I get through? 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.320 You're like nah, not the And then he came out 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.440 the back like you can have these though. I swear 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.800 that I got Him'm gonna show y'all because he signed him. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.640 He's like, you had these, it's a lot say something. Jump, 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:25.360 I'm gonna see your picture I got. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:27.560 I was like they hard. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.160 I was like they they pease, but they only gave 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.520 like the thirteen's and the twelve they gave us, but 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.560 it's only like two pair of Yeah. I remember Joe 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.000 was with them too, so kind of gave us like 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.080 the same. They give us different colors, but it was 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:40.560 like two. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:41.400 Of each now. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.440 But you showed me enough love with the Sneakers when 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.040 you gave me that twenty fifth anniversary Peck. I was like, 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.080 I came over your crib and he was like, all right, man, 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.440 go ahead. I'm like what he's like, you can get 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.920 get them. I started picking up something. He's like, hold on, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:56.480 I need to keep them. 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:58.920 It was like the all white teams. She's like, no, 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:00.840 he was with Nike. 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:02.560 Man, he'd have got anything he wanted. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.119 I wasn't big enough yet, Na, but it's all of 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:06.959 He always showed me a little though. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.440 So for show Man, we gotta talk about your career. Obviously, 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.120 you know something knows you the Arizona. Then you get 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.919 to the league. Man, you got to go to Memphis 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.320 and you know what I'm saying, cooperc was he was 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:17.880 the Grizzlies. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.480 How was that that first preson? Just going from you 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.399 know what I'm saying, Zona the candidate. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:27.680 Again, our ass kicked every night ship. We started out. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.800 It was a fifty game season that year. So we 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:30.600 started out. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:31.600 Four and four. 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:33.200 Guess so we ended up. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.000 I'm scared to say, you know what, forty two. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:45.440 So we went through. Damn. We had three double digit 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.399 losion streaks in the fifty game season. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:49.240 Shout out to the Belbie. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.040 It was fucked up because, I mean we were in 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.560 a lot of games. We were just we were young, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.480 our to our our vets, our superstar players. Reeves he 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.439 was twenty three, twenty you know what I mean, those 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.679 are a superstars, so we no one really knew how 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.000 to win, you know what I mean. So we're being games. 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:10.200 Just at the end, we'll fold. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:13.000 Jerseys was tight. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:14.800 Yeah he wasn't back then though. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:16.880 Yeah, look was hard. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.639 The black ones are nice. Was hard, but the white 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.080 and the Till we used to be like, man, we 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:23.080 hate wearing this ship. 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.199 Man, listen, I ain't gonna hold you that till grizzy 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:40.280 y that's like a light blue fellow dr our respect. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:48.359 I hate that y'all lost every game. The biggest show, 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:51.960 how good was at that time? 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.879 He was a bucket? Yeah, any time you get it, 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.879 I mean, he was he was just his his He 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.000 could score on anybody, you know, up he could, he 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.320 could take you, he could shoot the jumper. He was 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.640 just young, man, Like for you to be that young 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.800 and have to lead a team, especially when you're that bad, 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.680 Like I mean, all our all our events were guys 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.520 from teams that no one like, Like they gave up, 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.280 you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean it was 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.480 tough going into the a team like that and have 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.040 your superstars being your best players and no one could 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.719 lead the right direction, you know what I mean? 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.040 How do you feel about him and Tim Thomas? Who 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:31.800 do you think was better? 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.439 I mean I have to go with Sif Man high school. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.280 Tim Thomas was an animal. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.199 Stories behind so want to. 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.840 But I mean, like just from being being close to 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.359 Sharif and watching him play, I'd have to go with 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.399 Street because I mean it was like effortless, you know, 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.960 averaging twenty some points is his first year and just 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.359 keeping the same face and you know, I mean, just 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:58.760 just just going buckets. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.000 So yeah, he was wrong brief man, Okay, sure, man, 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:02.520 you know what I'm saying. 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.200 I had some tough times with the Grids and real tough, 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.399 and then you got to it when you went to Sacramento. 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:10.040 I won more games than sacrament in my first year 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:10.920 than three years. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.359 And that. 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.280 I'm not even I was like, borderline sixty your first 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.440 year we won sixty. We won sixty two games my 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.480 first year in Sacramento, and I know we didn't win 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.159 that in three years in Vancouver becuse I added up. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:31.400 We got eight, Like started putting the fust to count. 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.840 Fifty eight games in my three years compared to sixty 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.440 two in one year in Sacramento. 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:41.680 What was like? 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:42.480 What was that like? 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.640 When getting a chance to go to Sacramento with See 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.639 Webb and those guys and the team that was on 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.000 the verge of already being good, and then you go 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:50.160 there and you make them great? 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:55.040 It was It was like kind of unbelievable because I 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.240 knew the rest of peace. Michael Hya, he was the 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:01.040 owner of the team my last year Vancouver. He was like, 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.840 you know, we're gonna move to Memphis next year, We're 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.280 gonna start fresh. We want to get you a spot 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:07.600 because a lot of own you already know, Jeff, a 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.160 lot of owners are ain't gonna come tell you they're 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.000 gonna put you wherever the hell they want to put 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.320 you in to make them better. So he came to me, 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.160 he's like, where would you if we trade you, where 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.199 would you want to go? He's like, give me your 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.159 top five places. So I gave him, Like you know, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.560 I gave Phoenix because I'm from here. I gave Sacramento. 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.920 I might even give him Indiana and tell you truth, 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:28.920 because I mean they was back then. They was kind 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:30.320 of like to one of the top teams. So I 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.440 wanted to go in to be on a good team. 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.080 And he's like, well, where's the number one team you 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.320 want to go? And I told him I said Sacramento. 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.080 And so I didn't hear nothing about it again until 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:43.919 I got traded. So I was out. I was at 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.720 the gyms like midnight and I'm working out. So my 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.800 brother's like, you know, dang dings to everybody, No dang. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:54.200 So he get a call they just traded your brother Sacramento. 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.200 So he's like, they just traded your sacrament said well shit, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.239 that wouldn't I would have heard about. So I went 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.280 to my car. You know, got the Vancouver number, you 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:05.400 got the Sacramand number. Like something happened. And so going there, 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.040 I didn't know how the fans would take me in, 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.720 how the team would take me in, replacing you know, 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.680 Jay Will and I mean they made me feel like 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:16.840 I was there my whole my whole career. Man. That's 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.320 it just made the so easy just to go in 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.400 there and play and just be accepted and just made 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:24.000 it easy for me. 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.440 And what's so crazy, Like the team that y'all had 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:28.640 would have been so good in today's are y'all kind 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.080 of like set the trend for it, like y'all change, 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:32.480 like the way that they play, especially adding you y'all 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.359 would have went crazy in this I mean I went 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.080 crazy in that era too, But y'all would have been 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.159 so good now, especially with the position because I think 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.120 Chris Webbits was one of the most underrated players. 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.560 Ever is probably one of the best superstars I played with, 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:46.280 probably him, him and Mellow, iould say, but just going 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:51.480 there the thing that the thing Webb held himself accountable, 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.480 So that kind of trickled down that everybody that what 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.240 made it so good to where it wasn't pointing fingers 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.679 at anybody and doing that. But he always he fucked up. 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:02.360 He was I was like, shit, that's not bad. I'm 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.639 gonna get it right, and that kind of opened the thing. Well, 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.080 you know what web could say, it I could say, 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:08.600 you know what I mean, So that's kind of trickled 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.240 down made it so good. Blotti was I think Vadi 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.760 was the leader on that team. I kind of going 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:19.320 to Atlanta. I kind of brought Vloody style to Atlanta. 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:21.440 You know, I come and you know, beggame about the 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:25.040 table or when we land where we're gonna eat. We're 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.280 gonna go stop and eat it somewhere. Everybody coming, you 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:28.879 know what I mean. So that's what kind of made us, 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.560 you know, feel comfortable with each other on the court. 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:33.840 You gotta be you gotta be friends off the court, 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:35.200 man in order to be a good team. 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.639 Yeah, yeah, that's they should hear that. We part of 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:38.240 you know what I'm saying. 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:39.880 Been around this week, heard them from a couple players 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:41.040 said like that, real chemistry is. 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:42.840 Off the court. If you can get on off the court, 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:45.600 if I ain't rocking, it's evident when when she gets 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:46.240 real over the court. 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:46.760 For sure. 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:49.520 I was one of the most unselfish teams that I 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.840 saw pass that had two leap passing big. 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:55.840 That was crazy. Then I had my most underrated six man, 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.680 Bobby Jack that was my guy on to live. 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.440 He gets that thing up, but he was looking to 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:10.600 do nothing else. Get that fu up, bro my god too, 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:12.119 he shoot that bitch. 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.439 But all the players actually had though, Like Geral Wallace 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.800 on the bench, you got he You had all these 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:21.960 guys you played with Insac. 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.560 Jared was nineteen at the time too, Damn he just 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:27.240 came from high school. But I mean, it was just 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:32.159 like everybody was okay with whoever score, as long as 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.320 he was winning. It wasn't like I've been on teams 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:37.920 were like if you don't if I don't get my points, 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.280 I'm gonna be on the plane shitty, you know what 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.080 I mean. And there was never a time when that 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:44.800 happened in Sacramento. Not one time. 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:47.480 Paigeon was putting that my fuck up there. Yeah. 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:52.639 Remember he's six ten too, Soarli is too. He was sixteen. 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:56.760 It was nice clip elite. He was super nice. But 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:58.200 people don't know how tall he is. 0:24:58.520 --> 0:24:59.600 Yeah he was about six eight. 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:02.600 Yeah, but he he was the reason why that Magic 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.720 team was so good. People talking like people sleep him. 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:07.640 Paying a six eight point guard for the team changed 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:09.040 that whole situation with them. 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:15.440 He's a funny motherfucker too, man, understand he says, he said. 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.359 Now you speak about your like your way of leading. 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:24.480 Like when I first got in the league, like I 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:27.840 took everything so serious, like for the game, I was like, 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:30.640 I want to play like we had preseason games. I'm 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.920 all serious and I'll never forget our first preseason game. 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.480 Wood is talking and you take a piece of paper and. 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:39.879 You like boom and it hit Wood And I'm like, 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:43.159 I never forget. 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.600 Because I was so like listening to what was saying, 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.280 like like I'm in college, like ready to run through 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:48.640 a wall. 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:50.240 He like, let's go out there and play good. You 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:55.639 like piece of paper. I was like, I was like, 0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:00.560 we got it, man. He was like Mike, you know 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.360 how it was with you. They was like brothers. 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:07.680 Probably one of my favorite coaches. So look at this 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.040 story with Woody. Right, So I'd always go into Woody's office. 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:13.679 I don't know if you were there yet. Were you there? 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:17.000 We almost spot somebody in the locker room. Look, he 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:21.040 pulls me in and pulls that's crazy. He pulls me 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:25.600 in the office like before before the shooting around. He's like, hey, 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.240 you think I should start go try to start a 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.080 fight with somebody and there's a light of fire on 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.200 their ass. I'm like, you gonna make sure you picked 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.960 the right out there. I don't have to get your ass. 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:38.000 He comes in there. I think he started going that mom. Yeah, 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:42.440 so he started so he started talking ship, but then 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.520 he thinking his coach is going to hold him back. 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.040 But Moe got up out of see they had to 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:51.879 hold mo back and then and was about to whoop 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:56.840 his ass, and then he took me. We got done. 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:58.520 He went in the back in the office. He's like, 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:02.840 that was good right there to Ship. You're lucky motherfucking 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:04.720 back because he was about to fuck you up. 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:09.880 The way you bro. 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.440 Was easy to MoU was easy to get the most here. 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.040 That's why were you there when they made him grows 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.920 hair out until it comes to my last year. 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:25.440 Oh that would have been crying that bullshit. 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:27.680 So we got some old hair, you know, you see 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:33.520 more been a ball since like eighty seven. Moa was 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:35.720 my guy up. So so we get there, so we 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:37.399 put it get we put it back together and me 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:41.040 Joe and Smooth will give you ten thousand dollars for 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:47.360 every month you grow your hair. So he comes out 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:51.560 this ship about that high and so nappy ship. So 0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.040 we like he growned it though. You know what I 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.879 mean like we didn't think it could grow. So remember 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.720 we were in Phoenix before they traded me. So was 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.440 in walk through. I was saying, I was like, today's 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:06.040 the trade deadline. If anybody owe anybody money, but get 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:07.680 that ship today because we don't know who's gonna be 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:11.359 here tomorrow. They traded him. He's got traded with me 0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.959 to Washington, and so I asked him. I asked him, 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.480 like a month ago, then, did anybody pay you? He said, ship, 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.159 you don't want to pay me. They didn't give you. 0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:23.800 He can grew share out for nothing, but I'm one 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.360 that paid him. Yoh. 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.399 He used to mess with Mo so much. They used 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.160 to play this ru UFC game before practice all the time. 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:34.280 They would whoop his every day. I'll be coming in, 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:36.400 I'll be listening to him. 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:43.600 Best with him every day, like. 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.520 Mo fucking suck. Remember the shoes so he used to 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.320 wear this trying. I hate working with my God. Yeah, 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:54.600 I love about but he he coming with trunners, remember 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:58.600 the Jordan trunners. Trunners. Damn, come on, man, you got 0:28:58.680 --> 0:28:59.200 socks something? 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:02.320 No shows. 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.400 I'm like, come on, man, you gotta put something on man. 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:07.960 Them just take over. 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.480 Now play NBA games in there. 0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.600 I love Mo, but the last thing about because I 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.840 love he was cool. He was super cool. But they 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:19.120 hung his outfit up. 0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:23.720 What they hung it up in the locker room, Bro, 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:26.160 from the top of the ceiling, Bro with the pain 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.560 shirt like he hung it up. 0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:31.080 Bro. 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:35.479 MO came in from shooting. Oh my god, I lost it. Bro. 0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.000 He was so mad and he had these true religion. 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:40.880 Ya returned. 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:50.440 Was so funny, Yo, has your bro like I hang 0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.680 over outfit up? Look at this ship and they just 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:58.120 had it hanging terrible my fun but that ship was 0:29:58.200 --> 0:29:58.800 so funny. 0:29:58.840 --> 0:29:58.959 Bro. 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.040 That was about rookie year. I couldn't believe. It's the NBA. Bro, 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:04.480 what's going on? 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.480 You gotta have fun, man, You with each other for 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.479 nine months. You gotta make the best of every situation 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:11.960 you're with. You're with the guys, where you're with your family, 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:14.520 So you gotta have fun, man. 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:15.120 For sure. 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.400 Man, I got to ask about this because obviously I'm 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.800 tackinging on teams. Was crazy when y'all like heard of 0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:22.520 Kyle Rien that this ship was real with the Tim 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.440 Donahue stuff, Like, how was that reaction. 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.280 Amongst y'all because we knew that before he came out. 0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:28.760 Damn it was. 0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.920 I mean, it's a funny situation because Chucky Brown. You 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.160 know Chucky Brown's fourteen seasons. You know, I'm in my 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.840 I'm in my fourth. Man, I'm talking cash ship in La. 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:43.800 So like the Mulus, the best owners ever, like they 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:45.920 put you at movie premieers, they put you at these, 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.480 they put you at this and in order to be 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.880 seen and stuff. So I was at movie premiers and 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.640 the red carpet talking shit, sh it's over with. Ain't 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.640 nothing they could do them, Ain't nothing. They can't stop 0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.840 us on the radio talking ship. So I mean, Chuck 0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:02.200 you Brown pulled me so they might. You know, if 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:06.320 they're bringing a certain crew, it's gonna go a certain way. 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.520 It was like, man, bullshit, Man, ain't no way. We're 0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:11.520 up twenty points, server game. Ain't nothing even if they 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:15.360 do it and can stop. And so just watching that, man, 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.880 just seeing it looking back now, that shit makes me sick, man, 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.880 because I think we could. That could have been our 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.680 championship for damn sure. And so going and playing New Jersey, 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.560 they swept New Jersey. I think we beat the shit 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.440 out of New Jersey that year too. I think we 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.240 being a bout fifty I think one time going to 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.840 New Jersey. But it was just just sad to see. 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:37.640 I mean, we had that we kind of shipped the 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:41.440 bad Game seven, but I really don't think it should 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:42.400 have got to Game seven. 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.080 I shouldn't sure, like you said, you look back at 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.840 especially the team I had was so crazy and then 0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:49.280 for that to come out, and then for them like 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:52.120 to Africa comes out, y'all know, and it's publicized, but 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.160 then for people like to romanticize about it, just like 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:57.080 that's so crazy that, like, especially like y'all worked so 0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:58.880 hard for moments and play our ass off to beat 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:02.080 them situations. We know how many things have to fall 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:03.920 in the line perfectly to win the championship is like 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:05.880 to play your ass off and to have thats just like. 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.960 What the still makes me sick man, Like this, even 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.800 like Robert Horry shot, like I watched the highlights and 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.360 still watch the ship and I'll cut it off before 0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.400 that before that going. I remember that ship like it 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.840 was yesterday, watching that month for boom walking in the 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:22.480 locker room, Damn, we gotta go one more. 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:24.040 That broke everybody heart. 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:24.200 Man. 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:25.760 I think the whole world was pulling for you off. 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.400 Every getting that they had our champagne already in the 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:31.720 locker room. They have to put all that ship back, Damn. 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.560 I know all the time. Yeah, I think you just 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.000 had a moment of silence. 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:47.920 There because I'm thinking about this, watching thinking about the champagne. 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.640 I'm like, I remember we won, we had that champ. 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.959 That got you one. That's all. That's all that, man. 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:55.640 You get to go home, take one home. Man, That's 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:56.600 what That's what it's about. 0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:56.720 Bro. 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.959 You could say. And I made people say they want 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:03.000 NBA Championship for congratulations on that I finally got in one. 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:04.720 I was so fie something. 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:06.520 It's good man, y'all deserve it, man, I. 0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:08.840 Appreciate it for sure. I got to ask, man, what 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.640 is your favorite city that you played in favor? What 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:12.360 favorite city? 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.040 I like playing home and I like being in Phoenix 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:16.680 just because I get to see my family, I got 0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:20.239 to stay at home. I always love coming back home 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:23.200 as fifty people at the game, one hundred people at 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:24.600 the game, you know, I mean just going and just 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:27.120 playing in front of your family and friends. I love 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:27.840 coming back home. 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.880 When you leave Sacramento, you come to Atlanta, and what's 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.080 that like? Because that first year y'all in Atlanta, well 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.040 maybe your second year or whatever you y'all played the 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:38.520 Celtics in. 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.560 The playoffs, was the first year I think, Yeah, y'all 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:41.760 got it cracking. It was. 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.520 I mean it was different because, like I said, no 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.520 one really I don't think me and Joe were only 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:49.040 two people that ever been in the playoffs, and so 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.560 for to come there and have the city on fire 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.640 like that and take them to seven, I mean, we 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:56.680 got our ass beat every time in Boston, but I 0:33:56.760 --> 0:34:00.240 mean we we had that shit on fire in It 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.080 was just I think it had to do I'm not 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:04.400 saying it was all me, but I think it had 0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:06.680 to do it with a lot of just bringing the 0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:09.960 guys together and just hanging out and just you know, 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.960 trusting people and ship like that. So I mean just 0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:14.600 being a c like that and putting that on fire. 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.359 It was fun, man, because I came to next year 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.520 and the buzz was still there. When I got drafted. 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.640 It was like, as I had the. 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.879 Fight video with kg S, it was just like, yeah, 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.319 he had the rocky, rocky stuff going. 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:31.360 It was just like a buzz in the city and 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:32.560 I was like, see. 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:33.919 You got to see it. You didn't get to see 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:35.360 it when it was really bad, because it used to 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.960 be really bad ten years before they made the playoffs. 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:39.400 Yeah, I only seen the good. 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:48.720 Steven Jackson, it was wicked. It was wicked Jersey. 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:50.040 Yeah, it was nasty. 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.359 I only seen the good. So but when I got there, 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.520 Vivian and they was it was rolling. I came into 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:57.279 a winning team. 0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:58.759 So you're there with Flip. 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.320 Nah wasn't there, but you you probably don't remember. He 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.719 had just left and so you know how smooth is. 0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:08.960 He Like you took a C lost spot and you 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:12.759 took Flip spot. And I'm like, I don't even know 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:13.279 who they are. 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:16.080 I'm like, okay, A was young. I think it was 0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:17.359 like a C like second year. 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.680 I'm like, He's like, you took the spot. 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:21.600 They're gonna be at you because we played them in 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.600 the preseason and Flip made me fall was cold. 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:26.279 Motherfucker man. 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:28.880 A lot of people find he hit me with a 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.960 snatch back and I feel I looked at the bench. 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:36.200 Joe Smith was like this, I looked at Ben looking. 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:42.279 That's why you can't pay defense like that, man, That's what. 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:50.680 The shot he made me so big, Josh stand up 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:52.080 point that. 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.840 I'm like, that's a crazy I like the story that 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:59.120 you told about here shooting threes to he he wasn't 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:02.840 about it. And my boy used to boots Smooth. I 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:09.840 was like, he turned around like, Smooth, it's the home fans. 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.759 He would just shoot it just because the show them. 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.279 Shut the fuck up. Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:23.319 Smooth was so you remember the bet you made with him? Man, 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:26.600 you remember ship you got to break it up. You 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.680 bet him like maybe like five or ten thousand dollars 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.799 that he can shoot. He couldn't shoot more than ten 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:35.040 threes that year and he would shoot all right in 0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.960 front of the three point. But he had it was 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:39.480 like his best year. He almost should have made the 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.880 All Star team. It was my first year and he 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.440 would not shoot threes. He was just pump fake, take 0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:46.719 a step in. He was making them and he was 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.799 like he would not shoot he like one. I was like, yeah, 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.759 but it worked. I'm like, damn Bibby really playing like man. 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.040 He figured like he figures Smooth. 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:56.480 Out like that. 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.960 He's the most athletic player I play with and that 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:02.080 I've seen that motherfucker do whatever you want if you 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.120 get in the open court so I try to just 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:05.960 you try to get get him in open court to 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:07.400 give him the ball to where he does he's not 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.960 standing in the spotting up. He was a monster in 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:11.759 the in the in the open court man. 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:13.680 He was one of the smartest players I played with. 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.560 He Todd never forget. He told me you want to shoot. 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:17.959 The ball team. I was like yeah. 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.279 He's like, when you get in, just go stand right 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:21.040 next to Joe. 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:22.319 And I was like why. 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.000 He's like, they gonna double team, They're gonna pass it 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:28.600 to you. You're gonna be wild. He's at work every time, 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:31.080 the bitch crying Joe. 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.680 Like cut through, smooth, smooth, like go ahead, smooth and 0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:36.719 smooth in the way. So he getting shot. You know what, 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.440 We're there. You were there when we used to play 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.680 that game after durn practice. 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:44.680 Yeah, a shooting game. 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:50.440 No shoot, We had this fucked up game that remember 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.160 you got pissed this game right, So like it was 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:57.800 like five hundred dollars. So if it touched three hands, 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:01.759 your fifteen yea, the person that your thousands of Jeff 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:05.080 and five hundred. So we'll be running play all your 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.680 run you're running offense. Boom boom, someone shoots a jumper, 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:12.959 they start will start sprinting that. So like if it missed, 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:14.719 I tip the Jeff different, tip back to me and 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.319 I'll make it. You owe me a thousand, you owe 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.160 him five hundred. So we were shooting that like during 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:21.120 we like running. 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:25.520 Plays practice just like I can't take it serious. 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.880 Like I mean every every shot, Muffle was shooting and 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.960 just take off full speed and just person up where 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:33.879 they can't tap it. So when the ball hits the ground, 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.080 it's over with. So remember LD was like, man, do 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.560 that ship after So we said, like after the press 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:41.120 would be like five or six of us we get. 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:44.040 We shoot five shots. You can't move until you make 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.319 the three. So if you make if you make off five, 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.920 you don't know money. But if you if you miss 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:51.440 and you fuck them up and they don't make it 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:53.279 or they make it, you gotta you gotta old than 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:53.879 the money man. 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.960 They start doing that ship for anything though, like one fuck, 0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:58.800 just be shooting by itself, come out of nowhere. 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:08.200 I would even shoot a jumper in practice. He don't count, 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:08.759 he don't count. 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:15.480 I was like, thank you please, crazy playing tipsy, serious 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:15.799 as hell. 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:17.600 This is in the playoffs. All type of ship we 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:18.040 have fun. 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:18.799 You gotta have fun. 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:19.000 Man. 0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.439 We had fun out there was great. 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:22.600 Man. We gotta ask you know what I'm saying. So 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:24.880 you was young Nachos man, how was he as a rookie? 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.480 Man? He was just I mean you could tell that 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.799 he was like kind of under the under the bright 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.160 lights to where he listened to anything he said because 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.320 like everything they're telling him, like you couldn't tell you couldn't. 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.000 I didn't take anything what he said serious, you know 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.839 what I mean. But he like coming in he would 0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:42.560 have to he had to listen, you know what I mean. 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:45.600 Like he's his mindset was like I gotta do what 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:47.239 I gotta do to get some playing time. So he 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:48.759 was going to try to stay in the right. That's 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.520 why they got Jordan Crawford out there because they didn't 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:56.000 want him, Jordan to corrupt. Yeah, they put Jordan the 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.799 trade with me, me, the fucking the fucking Wizards trying 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:04.360 to Yeah, because they don't want Jeff to be corrupted. 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:04.520 Man. 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:07.000 But I mean, but Jeff, Jeff was quiet. I mean, 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.320 he played his role. He wanted to like he wanted to. 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:13.239 I don't wanna say fit in. But as far as 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:16.440 just like being a rookie man being a rookie eyes 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:19.480 wide open. You're playing against superstars that you watch, been 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.799 watching on TV for years, and I mean, like I could, 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.560 I knew he was gonna be something special when the 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:27.560 time came, you know what I mean. Just I mean 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:28.920 it was good that I think to come from the 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:33.560 comfort a team that was winning, you know, and have 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:36.320 some good bets for him to getting ready for that 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.480 because you get the shitty team. Motherfuckers ain't gonna help you. 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.359 You go like a sucked up team. You're gonna be sitting, 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.040 You're gonna be by yourself all night. You know what 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.719 I mean. I would see you tomorrow and walking in 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:49.960 right before practice starts and ain't gonna be it ain't 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:51.040 gonna be. That's how it's gonna be. 0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:53.880 Yeah, when he was in your prime, That's what I 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:55.759 want to ask you, Like, who was one of your 0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:56.920 toughest matchups that you. 0:40:56.960 --> 0:41:01.719 Knew you had to Ain't no over there gonna say, Marburry, Marburry. 0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:04.600 I mean you'd like, I was never the defensive player 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:09.560 anyway I heard. So my main thing is like, shit, 0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:11.480 you're gonna I would always go and I'm gonna say 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.279 the weakest player. But the guy that's really not gonna 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:17.200 get the most shots, Doug Christie, you need me guarding them. 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.640 Bobby Jackson with Bobby Jackson on. So, I mean the 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.920 main thing, like my thing was with Marburry, because Marbury, 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:28.680 he's gonna get thirty shots. He's strong, he's quick, he's fast, 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:31.000 and he was just I mean, he's like he's the 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:33.000 type of guy that, like when you go against the 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.640 point guard. His mindset was like, Okay, these are the 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.200 guys that they have trying to come up against him, 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:39.960 gonna go outre and try to bust his ass. He 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:41.319 had that mentality like for. 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.800 Real, Yeah that was a light twenty and eight guarantee 0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:45.239 of life. 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.359 So yeah, tough. 0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:48.839 He don't get spoken enough. 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:53.400 He almost made me tear my knee. Shit. He was 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.160 in Phoenix and he I kind of closed out to 0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.320 him half aass, closed out and I think, okay, just 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.759 shoot it. So I kind of like and he kind 0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:03.239 of hit me with a So I was like I 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:08.239 wanted to retreat, and I just like kind of sat down. 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:16.279 I was like dam and I got up and I 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:17.840 was I played the rest of the game, but by 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:19.680 trying the end of the game, my legs started like 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.640 it started cramping. I'm like, and that ship was like 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:26.839 this big damn. I said, man, please check make sure 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.719 and they I mean it wasn't torn, it was it 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.400 was spring, but that ship like this, that's on the 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:40.879 first time anybody shook me like that. I was trying 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:42.960 to let him shoot, but then I was gonna at 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:44.799 least try to, you know, kind of body him up 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:46.279 if you I can't just give him straight line to 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:49.080 the basket for almost killed me. 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.400 I know Memphis was, I mean, Vancouver so shitty, But 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:58.359 do you have a memorable game career or anything from 0:42:58.440 --> 0:42:59.880 Vancouver that you remember, Like. 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.520 I remember playing my first game. The thing I remember. 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.759 It was a preseason game. We played the Blazers, so 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.719 I mean everybody on their team was six eight or 0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:13.880 tall except the start of my and I remember my 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.759 first game and I turned around. They started there fucking 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:22.040 full court pressing me and like Scottie Pippen, she Wallace 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.920 fucking trapping me. So then fort like from the start, bro, 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.319 I can remember that like it was yesterday. I was like, damn, 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.080 if this ship gonna be like this, I don't know 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.000 if I want I don't think I want to play 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:37.560 no like six eight six night there. I mean, their 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:40.640 team was big, so it was like coming to trap, 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:42.840 I'm like, damn man. It was just like once I 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:44.640 got out there, I was okay, but there's no really. 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.000 I mean, I had a lot of assists when I 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:50.480 was in in Vancouver, but that's the main thing I 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.320 played with my dude, my mood out though, roof, and 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:54.960 all I did was just standing out there and pass him. 0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:59.560 He's shot. So I got I got my highest I 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:01.480 let the I was in the top ten and assists 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:02.719 for three years out there, I think. 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:07.840 So you have some good memories, nigga. It wasn't always sorry. 0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:11.320 You got buckets and drafted. 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.360 I said, I get drafted was a good memory, you know. 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:16.440 And I got a story on that too. I got it. 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.200 So it was between me and Oliver Candy to get 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:24.279 drafted number one. So I got super agent David Falk, 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:27.040 and you know, he's like, yeah, they're gonna they're gonna 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:28.640 wait till the day of the draft to figure out 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:32.080 what they're gonna pick. So the drafts in Vancouver, and 0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:34.719 you know when you said at the table, you're there, 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:36.719 so like he comes back here, like they're gonna take 0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:42.800 Olliver Candy one. Grizzly's gonna take you to like. But 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.359 I mean, it's just been there's nothing about the city. 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.440 I was just. I was nineteen, I just turned twenty. 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.359 I got a family. I don't want to move to Canada, man, 0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:53.320 in a different country. So I go up to the 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.759 I go up to the meeting rooms. I'm with the 0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:01.320 GM and the co coach and my agent there, and 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:03.520 he was like, I remember looking out the window, man, 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:05.839 it's I'm from Arizona. Y'all see how it is here. 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.279 We get seventy seven days in a row over one 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.799 hundred degrees, so we don't see no rain. So I'm 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.160 looking out the window and it's raining, it's dark and 0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:17.680 it's noon. I'm like, man just telling me. I said, look, 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:23.440 I don't want to play here. That says nothing against 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.279 you guys, nonhe against the city, the fans, the team. 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:28.160 I just I told him the same thing. I'm young, 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:32.399 I want to be We're gonna pick you anyway, I said, 0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:37.480 damn shift team. Minutes later, I was walking around the 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:41.080 thing in the Vancouver. Man, it was three years of ship. 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:49.120 You made it through those day up there, bro. You 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:52.480 went to the joint for a little bit, right, all right? 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:55.160 You know what I mean? What camp? You though, like 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:57.200 wanting to work on your game though, because it seemed 0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:59.240 like that you was depressed out there. Now, I wouldn't 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:00.319 say depressed, but down. 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:02.160 I mean, I just I mean because when we weren't 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.200 like getting our ass kicked like that. I've always worked, 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:06.200 you know, ever since I got to When I got 0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:07.839 to U of A, I would work my ass off 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:09.480 and was like when I got to the league, I 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:12.360 even worked harder. So my main thing was just like 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.160 just being on top of your game, and you know, 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.239 things were trying for good. And the first pick was 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:19.560 the Clippers. You know back then it was a that 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:24.799 was a fucked up situation, like the organization. I think 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.040 everything happens for a reason, man. So I mean, like 0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:29.839 I said, Michael Heise, trade me the sacrament of Kings 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:32.000 without him, who knows what happened? 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:34.680 Legend was built for sure? 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:37.759 For sure, I gotta ask you, I know, obviously still 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:39.640 tuning the game on your coaching and staying on tune 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:39.800 with it. 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:41.840 What is you know some of the young players are 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:42.720 mind you yourself? 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.759 I like you know that some people that game I 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:50.520 don't know if they remind me on a subbingd I like, 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:55.360 I like Dame, I like something I like step I 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:58.520 love step like Steph's mindset in just the way that 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.560 he plays in the shots and the best shooter to 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:08.960 ever played a game. I remember all this ship once 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.680 I leave here. But I mean, I mean, just I 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:14.160 watched basketball. I like to see just guy, it's a 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:17.560 different game now, Like it's a lot of dripple handoffs 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.920 and stuff like that, but a lot of three point shooting. 0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.120 But my main guy, Like, if I had to pick 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:24.680 one guy that like, I'm gonna go. 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:28.960 At the end, I'm not to say Dame, Yeah yeah, 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:29.520 dang bro. 0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:31.840 And we talked to Dame earlier and it's like he 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.040 don't get enough just do he does? He does, don't 0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:36.800 get enough just and he does it. He does it 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.640 at the right time of games, you know, like a 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:41.120 lot of game winners and stuff like that. 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.600 But he stopped up. 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.360 That's one thing that you like you did too. You 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.840 hit big tim shots, like in the clutch. You always 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:51.680 showed up. Even when you was in Atlanta. I remember 0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:53.320 we used to run that out of bounds player. I 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.800 run it for my high school team. Used to I 0:47:56.920 --> 0:48:03.840 was running the big three. What do he has some 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.359 good players, but I just remember you to make big 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:09.960 shots off there. You set the backscreen, get the ball, 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:11.480 come off, one dribble, pull up. 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.600 Same. My thing is strong, Mine is a strong thing man. 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.680 So I always like I've always had a strong mind. 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.520 I could be playing golf and it'd be down forty 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.160 strokes on the whole eighteen. I still think I've got 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:22.839 a chance to win. 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:24.000 He don't. 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:30.360 Come back of the site. 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:33.399 I feel I put enough work in, Like I've worked 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:35.640 hard enough on my shots. Every shot I took I 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:37.800 thought was going there. And so I mean it's just 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:39.719 just putting in the time. 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:42.120 That my fucker pick and roll with you. And see 0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.600 Web used to be so healy too. 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:48.560 What killed him was Webb's jumper like Web, Like I said, 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.200 I don't even think Web gets enough credit that he 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:53.040 should be getting. In fact, I mean he's probably the 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.399 best big man passer probably ever played the game. Top 0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:59.399 three for sure, and I mean he had the soft hands. 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.840 He catch any thing you throw, the knock down, the 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:04.840 jump shot, and the main thing with him was that 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:09.200 he held himself accountable. That's what made him the top 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:12.000 top player that I played with, Yeah, because he used 0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:15.640 to set you up for all kind of open He 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.120 was still end up with twenty eight. It was in 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.359 the past, but he still want to score twenty eight 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:21.560 points for sure. 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:25.439 You play with some cold players, like you just said, 0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:29.560 see you Webb underrated, should be one of the top 0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.560 power forwards all time. But like you played with Mellow, 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:34.759 you play with Joe Johnson. I always go back and 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.600 forth and say who was the better isolation player ship, 0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:41.239 and I always picked Joe. I think Joe was the 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:42.799 best isolation player I ever seen. 0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:45.080 I mean, it's tough. They both I think they are 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:49.719 both two different types. Joe kind of used his strength more, yeah, 0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.719 and uh and Melow was more use his height to 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:54.800 where like he'll shoot over you or step back or 0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:58.120 something like that. Wonderable pullups. But I mean, Ship, that's hard. 0:49:58.400 --> 0:49:59.960 That's a hard decision to make. 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:00.160 Eight. 0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:04.319 He put you in the ring, right, Yeah, he played 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:06.880 with them up close. That's a good question, bro, That's. 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.640 Tough though, A good question I don't answer. 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.680 On I'm taking Mellow just because to me, well, y'all 0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:14.279 niggas was in the league. What I'm saying, I just 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:17.440 feel like Mellow had that inside game too, but Joe 0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:21.560 did had that postworker like Melo though. 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:23.440 Joe Scott. 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.600 One to hand jumper, mellowing that body and you, God 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:32.440 damn you, I've seen even personal that he's built like 0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:33.320 Lebron James. 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.040 That's a bit you can't lose either way. I think 0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:40.040 neither one of them get the justice that they deserve. 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.440 They both cold speaking Lebron use the part of that 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:46.279 I'm saying show that he does seem how was that 0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:47.760 it was different? 0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:47.960 Man? 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:51.160 What something I wasn't used to it, you know what 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.040 I mean? Like as far as I wasn't playing that 0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:56.520 much anywhere, I was playing about twelve minutes a game, 0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:59.600 and just it was different. Man, There's nothing like I 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:04.439 ever been in before, as far as like body fat 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:08.400 testsing every week if you like, if you don't make 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:11.080 the body fat tests, you gotta you gotta do extra cardo, 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:15.400 you gotta weigh yourself every week. No, I had to 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:18.040 pay for one of my jerseys to take my jersey home. 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:21.279 I had to pay for a jersey there. I think 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:22.600 they keep all of them. I don't know what they 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:24.320 keep them for, but it was hard to get some 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:27.440 stuff out of there, and it was just different. I 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:30.680 mean it was it was something different, that pat own 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:34.960 ship that he does and but something I wasn't used to. 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:38.239 It wasn't my best years or best time there, but 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:39.880 like I said, I was playing a little bit of 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:41.719 the game in my mind. Stting that started, My mind 0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:43.920 started to go like maybe it's time for me to 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:47.600 be done, you know, you know all that. 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:52.080 Yeah, especially with all the media circus that came with 0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:54.040 being on that team, Like you said, you transition in 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:55.600 your career. Can imagine that's a lot to deal with 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.839 because that's like even now a lot of people don't 0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:59.560 want to deal with the Lakers because they don't want 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:01.120 to deal with come the playing with Lebron. I can 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.560 imagine that exception that y'all was getting hate. Everybody hated 0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:05.120 you all at that time. 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.480 It was it was it was it was crazy man, 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:11.160 because like every like the hot hotels, I mean thousands 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:14.279 people outside the hotels just waiting to get autographs and 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:15.120 just everywhere you go. 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:19.080 And it was different. It was differently he was in 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:22.520 the rock start it comes up the heat on us. Yeah, 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:26.200 that was crazy. Testing for body is crazy ship. I 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:28.320 couldn't I couldn't played for the heat. 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:38.399 Well, you know what's crazy, like testing body talking about 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:41.479 wait and stuff. Bro, you used to do perfect push 0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:42.960 ups in the middle of practice. 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:46.919 You told you told Lou I didn't work out man, 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:55.680 push ups, Bro. Way you've seen our weight Bro, it 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:57.160 was it was upstairs. 0:52:57.200 --> 0:52:58.000 Have you been to London. 0:52:58.920 --> 0:52:59.960 I've been to Like it's nice. 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.280 What they got a whole new facility off in and nowhere. 0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:07.879 It's a it's in Brookhaven. Man, it's unbelievable, really unbelievable. 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.560 But the weight room you're talking about, it was terrible. 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:12.080 Do push ups, bro. 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:14.720 He would be in the middle, he had these perfect 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:17.120 push ups. He'll look to the sidelight, but get in there. 0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:19.320 He could do a perfect push up. I'm like, this 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:20.440 could not be the NBA. 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:20.719 Bro. 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:23.160 My way out. 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:25.720 I'm trying to get you ready. 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:28.200 I'm like doing perfect push ups. 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:32.279 Practice would once you started hitting the weight room heavy though, 0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:34.760 because you were not always lifted. 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:37.160 But they, like when I was in Sacramento, they kind 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:40.360 of frowned upon lifting. So when I was a Sacramento 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.360 I came back one year and they're like, Mike, I 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:45.680 can't keep lifting like that. You look like a linebackers. 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.640 I'm like, see what you want to do is sit 0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:48.560 at home and do nothing. 0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:51.000 I got I'm I left Cardio, Mike. 0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:53.799 No, hell, I got hurt. 0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:55.320 I got hurt twice. 0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:59.560 I'll never do Cardio again. I got hurt twice. And 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.560 they me on the bike and on the armed cycle 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:04.799 and on the thing for like twelve weeks straight. Bro, 0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:08.000 I'll say you never again. I'm not going that ship 0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:08.560 ever again. 0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:11.520 Because Bro used to talk about you, like used to 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:16.040 be on that ship. Hell know he came here for 0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:18.600 the Big three ship. Boy, he should see by day. Bro, 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:22.399 he was strong. You were strong as hell and lone. 0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:24.200 I used to be like because when I first met you, 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:25.000 I'm thinking of Mike. 0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:29.200 Baby. You know I've seen man Sacramento. I walked up 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:32.360 to him like, damn twenty I was. 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:33.680 I was too five. 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.200 You had an IG filter on Twitter on the TV. 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:44.080 What yeah, I know what they put on there. Bro. 0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:47.520 I was ninety five, Bro, like two hundred and five. 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:49.480 I was. I was two five when I got to 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:49.960 New York. 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:52.280 Bro, all it might just be chesting. 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:55.080 Your chest was out to here, like I'm like this, dude, 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:59.480 I'm like, baby, man, you could guard all big dudes. 0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:03.640 He would tell Joe take the point guard. He'd be 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:05.279 guard somebody six. They trying to post. 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:11.640 I'm like about the post hill they got outside weren't working. 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:15.759 He was so strong, Bro, I was like, man, he 0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:16.520 is too strong. 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:18.440 Yeah, I don't remember you like that and sex and 0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:21.760 when you start hitting hiding the way, said Mike, look. 0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:24.600 Like they like I come in to practice, do one bench, 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.160 one pull down, one leg, running back and you're done. 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:29.960 That wasn't enough. 0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:34.399 Don't know though, but you look. 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:37.400 I ain't gonna lie, bro, and I ain't staring at 0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:39.799 you like that. But you don't look as crazy as 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:43.239 what this nigga made you said, because I was played 0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:45.400 because I wasn't he was. I was looking for that 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:46.359 thing on your neck. 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:51.480 I seen him. 0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:57.080 I'm used to be like hooping years ago for a 0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.360 long time. So when I said, God was like a wrestler. 0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:04.360 But now you, like you said, you don't look crazy, 0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:06.000 like you work out a lot. 0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:11.160 Because I don't remember you liked that. On two K two, Bro, I. 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:13.280 Think that they keep putting me into two K shoes 0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:16.560 and I wanted to fucking first joring to get two ks. Man, 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:20.960 I get pissed coming in two k's. 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:25.160 Man, you get there right, get that right, many got 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:27.279 the Trumphy rooms. Right. You know what I'm saying, You know, 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.480 the face put me or something. Man shout out to Marcus. Yeah, 0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:35.760 for sure. We gotta ask, man, what's your favorite Jordans 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:36.399 of all time? 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:39.520 I probably have to go with the elevens. 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:39.799 Man. 0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:45.399 I like the I think they're called captain gowns all 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:46.160 black ones. 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:48.279 Damn, you're probably the only person in the world that 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:52.080 like them. What you mean nobody surprised by the black ones? 0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:54.200 Right? Yeah? Yeah, what you mean you don't like those? 0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:57.719 They decent, but not a lot of people whiting the 0:56:57.800 --> 0:56:58.200 black though. 0:56:58.320 --> 0:56:58.560 Right now. 0:56:58.680 --> 0:56:59.960 I like the concourse, they're not my face. 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:00.359 I don't. 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:01.160 I don't like elevens. 0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:03.640 I like eleven man, it's my favorite. 0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:05.719 He's a Columbia eleven. That white. 0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:08.680 Was the elevens. 0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:12.440 You had the cherry cherry elevens when we were in Atlanta, 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:14.839 so white with the red. 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:19.120 You had the red pat leather. They can't end up 0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:21.440 coming out years later. They gave them you back then, 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:22.200 you know what I. 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.720 Told him, because somebody was like they had that. I 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.320 seen him a I'm like, those gotta be fake. I 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.040 never seen them. And the guys like ship. We had 0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:31.680 them for you, we just never gave them to you. 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:33.960 They had them on nice kicks, That's what I'm saying. 0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:36.000 But the Nike you guys like, we had them, we 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:37.280 just never gave them to him. 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:41.280 Like because uh, you had them in Atlanta, because I 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.680 remember when you h Zach when I was I was 0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:45.400 writing the joint. 0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:48.120 It was probably a different one, but they gave me. 0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:49.680 They gave me a different one. 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:51.800 You had a white and red eleven. 0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:53.840 I was like it was called something else. I know 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:56.760 exactly what one too. And I was like Joe had 0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:02.840 by the weren't eleven? I was like, can I get them? 0:58:02.920 --> 0:58:05.160 He was like, you have to ask, bib. I was like, 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:06.840 I'm wild, I ain't gonna ask for them. 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:08.400 So you could have took anything. Nah. 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:10.600 I know when you gave me all the white ones, bro, 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:12.840 I said, I looked at you. I was like you sure. 0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:16.080 He was like, yeah, man, go ahead, Merry Christmas. I'm 0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:19.040 like this ship the home. 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:20.800 And you know, he was what twelve and a half 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:23.720 and I was at twelve, So I'm like, shit, it's cool, 0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:25.000 fucking little. 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:29.080 Big ain't tripping happened to them? Elevens? My little brother man, 0:58:29.400 --> 0:58:31.960 he won him to the club and got hennessy all over. 0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:32.760 I still got him. 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.120 Damn you let him take him? 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:35.920 Nah, I didn't know. 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.880 So he went to my closet at my house and 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.080 he rocked him. He ain't know I was going out 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:43.160 that night put him on. I seen him in the club. 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:44.080 He kept hiding from you. 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:46.640 I'm like, I'm here, Bro, like, come up here. He's like, no, 0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:49.040 I'm stay down here. What the hell you doing? So 0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:52.080 I go up to him. I look down. I was like, man, 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:52.840 what the fuck? 0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:55.760 He brung them back upstairs. He was like, I don't 0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:59.160 know what happened, and it's n see brown everything. I 0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:02.960 was like, man, man, these ain't coming out. Bro, these 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:03.520 don't come out. 0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:05.280 He like, I don't know. 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:05.960 He just. 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:09.080 They still still got them. 0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:14.360 What you got brothers from that boy? 0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:20.440 Lots to me, bro, mens a lot to me, Like 0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:23.240 it's crazy. You remember what we talked about. You bomb 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:26.120 me That watch? Bid was the best. He bought me 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:28.840 a watch. I was in Beverly Hills. We was in 0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:31.680 Beverly Hills, whatever, and I was looking at this watch 0:59:31.720 --> 0:59:33.960 at the hotel and I'm like looking at it and 0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:37.240 I'm amazed, Like, look at the diamonds dropping in. He like, 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:39.640 when you like that watch? I'm like yeah, Like thirty 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:42.320 minutes go by. He called me like where you at rook. 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:46.280 I'm like, man, I'm here here about to leave. He's like, now, 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:47.160 come to my room real quick. 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:49.280 Come to his room. He opened a box like here 0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:51.600 you go. It was me and jord Crawford gave me 0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:53.800 one Jordan one. I'm like, what the fuck? 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:54.720 Yeah, I forgot that. 0:59:55.000 --> 0:59:55.560 Yeah, yeah. 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:58.680 I threw my watch on so quick and my brother 0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:02.640 still got that watch. You still got that. I'm like, damn, 1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:05.120 that ship was crazy. I'm like, he got a lot 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:05.479 of money. 1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:08.960 You gotta take care of you. The young guys man, 1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:11.840 no matter what. When I was there once a Vancouver, 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:15.600 our older guys weren't really yeah. I mean they were 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:17.960 trying to hold on. But I mean I never had 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:20.920 that what I'm saying. So I try to make everywhere 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:22.640 I went like here ship and make sure you come 1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:24.560 whenever you with me. You ain't got paid for nothing. 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:27.520 I appreciate that, bro, I appreciate that. I was a 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:34.040 cheesecake factory king every city. I was like, yeah, I know, 1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:35.480 I'm going cheese hae factory today. 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:38.600 I'm like I still go cheesecake to see girls refuse 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:41.040 that as a first day Now, it's just insane. 1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:44.200 Disrespect because that was you got heat. I remember was 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:47.480 when we got here to Phoenix. Uh, the cheesecake factory 1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:50.160 was like it was a Califori pizza kitchen, a cheesecae 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:51.160 across from the hotel. 1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:52.960 And I looked at you and got off the bus. 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.960 I'm like, we're going to He's like, hell no, I'm going. 1:00:59.520 --> 1:00:59.840 Right on. 1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:01.760 He was like, nah, I'm going home today. 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:05.280 I was like parked at the hotel to get that. 1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:06.000 I'm gone. 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:09.800 I was like, I gotta pay for this. It was 1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:11.920 funny because what was you eating when you went with me? 1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:14.760 I literally every city over a bit so that only 1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:16.640 time I didn't I just went over there by myself, 1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:19.920 like went to the cheesecake factory. But every city he 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:21.840 took me, it didn't matter what city was in. I 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:24.040 remember we went to Miami. He took me to eat. 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:25.919 I got a chance with me, Fat Joe, Chris Brown, 1:01:25.960 --> 1:01:29.080 all these dudes. I'm like, damn, he really famous. 1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:31.440 As Hill, Like you know FA you know Fat Joe. 1:01:31.520 --> 1:01:32.400 He's like, yeah, my brother. 1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:33.440 They all tell you. 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:36.400 I'm like team Dom I'm looking at him like. 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:37.600 That's what that means. 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:42.240 Yeah, he the truth out here. I'm like he took 1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:45.320 me to prole one twelve. He always I was always 1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:46.080 a bit man. 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:47.760 Before we get out of here, we got somebody's snigger. 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:50.440 Show you fat Joe man, who collection was crazy at 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:50.880 your height. 1:01:52.400 --> 1:01:56.760 I think I have more shoes. They probably got more 1:01:57.040 --> 1:01:59.880 like more heat heat. I got a lot of shoes, man, 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:02.320 just I've been giving so many away. After years, it 1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:04.160 kind of it kind of went down a little bit. 1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:07.080 But I've been collecting the shoes for twenty years. So 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:08.680 I used to do like when out there, give me 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:11.240 the shoes, I'll be like they sen me, they send 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:13.440 me wanted everything, and I was just like, send me 1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:16.120 ten period of leaves. They sent a box ten pair 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:18.480 of those. I just put them away. So I always 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:21.760 had like replicas of shoes. I like, you know what 1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:25.160 I'm saying. So that's putting made a closet garage out 1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:25.320 of it. 1:02:26.280 --> 1:02:31.360 Yeah, man, historic even like his cars though, like I 1:02:31.400 --> 1:02:32.040 always wanted. 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:36.040 I always tell everybody about the garage. Him and Joe 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:40.720 and Smooth Bro. It was like watching MTV Cribs when 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:42.120 you gotta. 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:43.000 Get yourself a nice car. 1:02:43.360 --> 1:02:43.480 Bro. 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:46.840 Yeah, I ain't never had a car till like, I mean, 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:48.400 I had a car when I got the cars, man, 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:50.800 you first time I did was buying me a nice, 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:52.040 a nice Rose Bush. 1:02:54.120 --> 1:02:55.960 I'm telling you, Bron, I used to come out there 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:58.880 and I had I had a seven forty five, seven 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:03.440 fifty and they popcorn my joint. I'll never forget, so 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:07.640 the whole season. This is why they popcorn, I'm gonna 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:09.760 tell you. So they used to make me buy donuts 1:03:09.800 --> 1:03:12.640 in the morning. Oh ship, So they used to make 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:13.560 me buy donuts. 1:03:14.360 --> 1:03:17.120 I always forget. Come on, man, just I'll get them next. 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:21.160 So I used to go get them some time. They 1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:23.400 would never eat them. So I'm like, man, I ain't 1:03:23.440 --> 1:03:25.960 eating them and not eating them. So I just started 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:29.040 putting the box in my locker. Shit it up there, 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:30.960 sit up there. Put it back out every morning, put 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:33.000 it back out every morning. It was finally the night 1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:35.280 I think everybody the team went out or whatever. We 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:38.080 go out and smooth. You know, it had to be smooth. 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:40.520 He come in, he want a donut. This random day, 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:42.720 I put the box out. The donuts are green. 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:43.400 Damn. 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:44.920 They molded everything. 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:46.280 Even what the fuck. 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:53.880 I'm like shy, like, man, look, this. 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:56.120 Is what you're doing with our money. Where you give 1:03:56.160 --> 1:03:57.160 me the money and ship what. 1:03:57.200 --> 1:03:58.800 You doing was like ship. 1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:02.760 Next thing you know, I opened my every time I 1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:05.520 go to practice, my key is like this placed or 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:07.959 something like out or for my dog, like they about 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:13.520 to popcorn your car, damn shout to al. So half 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:16.600 the season I'm putting my key in my tight like 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:18.240 I wasn't playing in practice. 1:04:18.400 --> 1:04:20.960 After a while we just stopped practicing. Wood didn't practice 1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:21.240 no more. 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:22.000 So I'll be out. 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:23.760 I told them, like, I'll be playing Wood one on 1:04:23.880 --> 1:04:26.960 one right, So I'm putting the key in my tight 1:04:27.280 --> 1:04:29.080 of my other key in my tights the whole time. 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:31.600 Finally get to play the last game of season. I 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:35.760 forgot we play. I'm having I had a great game. 1:04:35.760 --> 1:04:37.560 I had twenty six and fifteen. I'm all hype. 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:38.640 They ruled me on you. 1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:43.680 We get in the locker room, everybody usually Shire, they nobody. 1:04:43.800 --> 1:04:46.600 Everybody already dressed. I'm getting out the shore. They're like, yeah, 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:48.920 all right, but we're going out tonight. We're gonna see you. 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:52.080 They rushing out. I come up the steps in the linny. 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:53.640 You had to walk up these steps to get to 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:55.439 your cars. I walk up to the steps. I open 1:04:55.520 --> 1:05:00.200 the door. Everybody got flashlights on. Smooth wife. Everybody don't 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:01.240 know what the fun going on. 1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:02.680 I walked to my car. 1:05:02.720 --> 1:05:04.800 At this time, I was dating this lady named Ashley, 1:05:05.160 --> 1:05:09.960 and she like about to cry. She like, I opened 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:13.080 the door, popcorn come flying out. I first looked, what 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:13.760 the fuck. 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:16.640 I'm looking at? Smooth, I'm a flag your turn? He 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:25.400 like laughing and ship Bien like like you know, He like, ho, 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:30.040 be get this car, like see you bore. I was like, 1:05:31.080 --> 1:05:32.760 and then I'm like, man, who did that ship? Tyler 1:05:32.920 --> 1:05:36.760 like all right, man, they paid me five thousand dollars 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:38.560 to do the ship man. I was like, who did? 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:40.240 He was like it was all of them. They all 1:05:40.320 --> 1:05:42.680 came together, community. 1:05:43.800 --> 1:05:44.240 Came together. 1:05:44.400 --> 1:05:45.880 He was like, you see these big He wouldn't got 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:50.439 the popcorn. Everything showed me the bag. I'm like, we're 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:53.440 my iPad. That's when the iPad firstumber my iPad at 1:05:53.600 --> 1:05:56.400 He was like, oh, yeah, send your trump. I opened 1:05:56.440 --> 1:05:59.000 the trunk. It's full of popcorn. I'm like, oh, they 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:03.400 ain't playing damn was they didn't sucked up, but it 1:06:03.600 --> 1:06:06.040 was my dog. I went to the club with that popcorn. 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:10.520 That's crazy. This give you something to get a detail? 1:06:10.800 --> 1:06:12.960 Five mins to get a detail. I ain't get a detail. 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:16.200 My brother said, ship, excite that, I'll do this ship. 1:06:20.560 --> 1:06:24.360 Oh man, it's been crazy. Big dogs, Mike Biby, we 1:06:24.440 --> 1:06:26.080 appreciate you sliding on this man. We were waiting for 1:06:26.160 --> 1:06:28.439 this episode. Man, you big finally got on the show. 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:28.640 Man. 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:29.800 I'm so happy. 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.120 I appreciate y'all having me on. Man, I just watch 1:06:32.280 --> 1:06:35.560 all the time. Man, that some crazy motherfucker show. 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:36.840 Before we got out of here be here sell the 1:06:36.840 --> 1:06:38.160 people that can grasp some march at. 1:06:38.160 --> 1:06:40.520 Shop Club five twenty dot com Baby were out of 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:42.280 Here Club five twenty 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:44.560 The volume