Kathy & Susan Help You Navigate Loneliness | Golden Hour

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks so much for joining us. We're so excited to be back, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: Catthy always excited to see you, Susan. But here I've got issues, like when am I going to see you again? I need a haircut.

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Speaker 1: I soon, very soon. I'm packing This year is aren't we going to California?

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Speaker 2: We're going to meet Okay, the end of the month, we are.

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Speaker 1: We're going for my big birthday.

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Speaker 2: It's not your big birthday, honey, it's a year.

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Speaker 1: It's not big, it's huge.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's twenty sixty nine. Get over it. Next year, when your seventieth birthday, we're planning a trip.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, I better be somewhere far. I'm not turning seventy though. I've decided I'm going to celebrate the anniversaries of my sixty ninth. No you're not. Yes, seventy's fun that count backwards. I'll go there.

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Speaker 2: Age is just a number, Susan. All right, Well, since age is just a number, today this is I love these episodes because today we're going to answer more of your questions, fan questions, and these might get a little tough because they're all about loneliness versus being alone, And what do you think the difference there?

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Speaker 1: It's opposites almost.

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Speaker 2: Agree.

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Speaker 1: It is such a huge difference in those two words.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me what you think.

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Speaker 1: Being alone is powerful?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I think I just fell in love with you all over again.

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Speaker 1: What's this people, she's going to agree today?

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Speaker 2: No, it's true, it is.

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Speaker 1: It's very powerful.

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Speaker 2: It is very powerful. It's time for reflection time. Yeah, okay. And loneliness is.

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Speaker 1: Sad, feeling sorry for yourself.

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Speaker 2: Loneliness to me is sad. It's sad. That's the difference being alone. To me, I can't even believe you said that it is powerful. It's it's having time to reflect on yourself, reflect on your situation, finding your own strengths, but celebrating yourself.

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Speaker 1: Loneliness and Kathy, If it's too long of a stretch, I could see it turning into loneliness. Like as we go on, we'll hear different questions. But some people were so involved and they have big families, and then the ones that go through like you did a little bit, the empty nest when they went to college and all you felt like.

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Speaker 2: That was loveliness. That was loneliness. I was very sad that my kids left, but and when my.

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Speaker 1: Husband died, it's part of them growing.

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Speaker 2: That's right. When my husband died, Now that that was loneliness, horrible loneliness. But you know, God has a way. I've learned to be alone and celebrate it, and I've gotten to know myself better. And so yeah, it's from a point of strength. So I can't wait. All right, here we go. I just I love that we agree.

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Speaker 1: You have a question of the day.

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Speaker 2: Here we go with the question, and I'm going to start it off with the question of today. What advice, Susan, do you have to anyone, especially in their golden years, that are having trouble being alone?

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Speaker 1: Talk to people, communicate with you have to have a friend out there. Just share it with your family, with your kids, with your pastor with your church, whoever. Talk about it. Don't isolate yourself.

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Speaker 2: That's the word I think. So I think when people say have trouble being alone, we just talked about that. It's good to learn to be alone. I think it's a learned characteristic. It's a learned trait. You don't work, not born with that, were born. I think to be social humans, to be in groups, community. That's what we're that's what we're I think born to do. But I think what you said earlier, if if you learn how to be alone, it gives you strength.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I had to learn it, Kathy, because we always had a housefully always had company. It was always chaos, chaos case and I love chaos when that's having a good time. Then I moved out on my own and I was so fearful of being by myself. Yeah, I grew to love it, but it took time. It was an adjustment, just like people that are feeling sad when their families are going or God forbid, they lost children and they had nobody. How about the ones that never had children and their spouse passes, you're alone?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think this question is interesting because it really does underscore the question of loneliness or being alone. I think people in their golden years sometimes feel alone and sometimes feel loneliness and loneliness. You have to get out, you have to meet people, you have to join groups, you have to find community somewhere. But being alone is learning how to be introspective, learning how to occupy yourself without needing others. Whether it's reading a book, gardening, needle pointing, Bible state, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: And it won't be every day you might get those feelings. But loneliness, to me, the word depression comes in. If you're feeling loneliness, I feel like you're sad, Like you said, you're depressed or.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I think so, yeah, so I agree with you. So I think my advice is you have to determine whether you feel alone or whether you're feeling loneliness.

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Speaker 1: And you know there's people that are worried that feel lonely.

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Speaker 2: That's right, because they're not connecting with their partner. Right. So I think we all need connection. I think we all need community. And as we get older, at least for me, it's harder to join, you know, like I'm not. I've gone to bars with friends and stuff I join. I go to needle point groups once in a while. But you know, it gets harder, more difficult.

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Speaker 1: To do it by yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you know, you know it's like geez, I got to do this again by myself. So, but I do think you're you hit on something, Susan. Loneliness in the golden years. It's not a good thing. It's not. You've got to force yourself to get out. Research has shown that loneliness people being alone and not having community, it really does cause earlier death early, you know, it causes problems.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious what like chat has to say.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you don't look at chat, gubt, look at Gemini. We support Google here Gemini.

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Speaker 1: But I do think this versus being alone. Yeah, are just curious. Being alone is about circumstance. It's physical. You might be by yourself, reading, traveling things, that's what we said. And loneliness is about connection. It's emotional. You can't feel lonely in a crowded room like we just said, in a relationship or surrounded by family. If you don't feel seen, understood, or valued, loneliness hurts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what's not good. That is what's not good. Being alone is not necessarily negative. But when you're lonely, that's really doing seen.

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Speaker 1: That was that's that's really something. All right, it's time to answer some of our fan questions.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I think some of these are going to be about being alone and being lonely.

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Speaker 1: What do you think that is the topic for today? Okay, I'll take the first one, and this is from Anonymous. Hi, Kathy and Susan. I'm struggling right now and could really use your help. How did you handle the transition from living around your friends to reaching a level of adulthood where you all go your own way? Excuse me, I'm experiencing that right now. I've finally reached that point where all my friends are settling down in different parts of the country, and now it's just me and my husband. We're trying to find new friends in our community. But it's so fresh, and I'm just sad. How did you get through this? Thanks? Ladies?

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Speaker 2: Can I take the first stab at this?

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Speaker 1: Please go right to.

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Speaker 2: Anonymous. First of all, I'm sorry that you're feeling this way, but I feel like this might be that you and your husband don't have a strong enough connection, because if you guys do, then together you would say, hey, let's join a pickleball group, Let's do this. I think she feels alone and not in good communication with her spouse. That's just the feeling I get. You said, it's just me and my husband. You know that.

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Speaker 1: Im being around a bunch of couples that you do a lot with, and everybody moves away. And then you're just looking at each other like what do we do now? It is difficult to find a new crowd when you're golden, but as you always say, join a group, join something, get out there. But there's still not going to be those lifelong friendships that they had with these other people.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. This question says reaching a level of adulthood where you all go in your own ways. I don't know what that means, Like did they all go to live where their kids live? You know?

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Speaker 1: Did Why do they retired? And who's retiring in Florida or yeah, Charleston or wherever?

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Speaker 2: I would say, anonymous, what you're feeling. Everybody is feeling. It's like walking to a cocktail party where you don't know anybody, or the first day of college campus right, nobody knows anybody. So what you're feeling school, Yeah, exactly what you're feeling other people are feeling. I would encourage you, for you and your husband to take up a new activity. Get out there. You'll make new friends. You know, it's the old girl scout thing. Make new friends and keep the old summer silver and the others are gold. And where did that come from? Really? That was the thing. So you know, get out there and you'll make some new friends and it's a new chapter of your life.

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Speaker 1: Well, she does say, we're trying to find new friends in our community, but it's so fresh. I'm just sad, and it's normal to be sad, and it's okay to miss them. And I would also if there's three different couples that live three different places, I would make plans to go visit. Yeah, we're going to visit. Yep, I'm coming down. Yeah, And then you have something to look forward to, and then you also have something to talk about with your new friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think Susan's right. It's about keeping relations. Do you hear this?

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Speaker 1: She agrees with me, So let it go.

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Speaker 2: To your head. It's partially making friends new friends and keeping the golden friends, you know, making new friends and finding new activities and keeping in touch with your old friends. And we wish you a lot of luck, and you know, get your husband together and join figure out what you guys want to do and make some new friends because.

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Speaker 1: And it's okay to feel sad, but you'll get it's okay.

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Speaker 2: I guess what, there are other people in your community who are in the same boat as you are, all right, but let us know, let us know what you decide, you know, what new things you find to do with your own.

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Speaker 1: They're probably going to move where the best friends moved.

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Speaker 2: And if there's any single guys, send them to me. I swear I'm going to say to you every question, all right. The second question is also from an anonymous listener. Okay, hi ladies, I love your podcast, and I really could use your advice right now. I'm the youngest sibling of four kids, and it's finally time for me to move out for good. I lived on campus for college, but I was able to come back frequently and have always stayed with my parents over breaks. Now I'm moving for a new job to New York City, where all of my friends are. My question is how do I help my parents during this time. They're really supportive, but I can tell it's really hurting them that they won't have any kids in the house anymore. What can I do for them? What do you wish you could have done when you were first going through this? Ooh, what says you?

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Speaker 1: What can they do for them? I would leave little notes that they'd find after I'm gone. To make their day and tell them what a great job they did.

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Speaker 2: I would call them, you email them, text them, FaceTime.

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Speaker 1: Them, stay in touch with today. You're going to get involved in your own life and you're going to get all caught up. I don't care if you put a reminder on your calendar.

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Speaker 2: Yes, call mom, Call mom, and I will tell you. And Susan, I think I've told this story before. When my daughter went to college, she was a soccer player, so she had to go early, you know, for soccer season in August, and my husband and I went out there like Labor Day weekend. It was her first scrimmage, and can I just tell you, it makes me cry. She had no time in retrospect. I get it. She was in a new school, making new friends, and she didn't want mom and dad around, and we were missing her. She was the youngest of our children. We were missing her so much. We just wanted to be part of her life. So, you know, we all could have handled it better. We shouldn't. My husband I shouldn't have gone out so early to see the scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: We should have waited like parents weekend or something.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, we just went out for the first scrimmage. Parents weekend was like in October, this was Labor Day weekend. I mean we went out. She'd only been there like two and a half weeks, but we missed her. We wanted to see her scrimmage, so I didn't see terrible. She was like, Mom and dad, I'm here. She was right, she said, I'm here in a new school to make friends.

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Speaker 1: You know, so to start her life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So what you can do for your parents is reach out to them, call them, FaceTime them, and hope that slowly but surely they understand that you're making a new life for yourself. And just take for us parents.

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Speaker 1: But take a second to be grateful of how much you are being loved, how much they love you, that they're feeling this pain, and what a good kid you probably are. Yeah, so continue to be the good kid that they can brag about and call them mommy and yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean I was married anonymous at twenty, so I didn't go through what you're going through, but I did go through it as the parent. And that's what I can respond to, is Susan's right, You're probably a great kid. Just tell them how much you appreciate them. And you love them, send them a card in the mail, FaceTime. Just the little things matter.

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Speaker 1: I also realized that this is part of life. You do grow up and you do go out on your own. Every parent has to go through this.

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. I want my children all to move home.

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Speaker 1: I don't they don't live like I do.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Susan would be sweeping under the table. Stop eating up, don't eat on the table, eat outside so you don't have to sweep up before.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Kathy. Our next one is from Charlotte. She says, Hi, Kathy and Susan, I was wondering if you could help me navigate finding alone time. Well, here you go. It's the opposite. I've always been an extrovert and I love being around people. It really helps me recharge. Oh my gosh, she sounds like me. I've been with my boyfriend for like three years now, and he is someone that definitely needs some alone time. We were in the honeymoon phase for what felt like a really long time, but now that we live together, I feel like we've moved out of that. So now he needs to have some alone time regularly, which is fine. But I just don't know what to do with myself. Lol. I'm starting to realize I've never really have alone time because I'm always surrounding myself with people. It's not that I need to constantly be with him. I think I just never gave myself the space to be alone. What do people do? I've always had a busy household growing up, lots of roommates in college to chat and hang with. I could fill my time with people. But now I'm realizing maybe I should learn to be alone. What do you think? Thanks? Ladies, Like we just said, it's like I didn't see this coming. It's everything we just said. First of all, she sounded so much like myself, and I had to adjust to being alone, and then you end up loving it.

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Speaker 2: Well, So I'm going to say again, reading this question, hearing you read it, all I could think of was my husband, who was an introvert, and I'm an extrovert, and so people being with people recharges me. That's how it used to be when my husband was alive. I never understood he would say to me, I need time alone, I need to reacharge. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I felt I would take that as a hurt.

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Speaker 2: I did. I felt it was a what's what I wanted? I felt, I felt took it as rejection. Now i've I've unfortunately I had to learn that one the hard way. But I think that Charlotte, learning to be alone, not lonely, but alone will give you such a wonderful perspective. You'll learn so much about yourself. You'll learn, you'll find things that give you joy that aren't necessarily related to other people or your boyfriend or your husband or whatever. You know, whoever it is, and.

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Speaker 1: He needs it regularly. So introverts do you need? They have to recharge on their own. They have to be alone because that's what helps them.

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Speaker 2: But she said, what do people do? People, Charlotte, learn to be alone, because you gain perspective on yourself. You enrich your own self by giving your by learning to be alone, not lonely, by learning to be alone and doing things for you without needing the what's the word I want, Susan, When you need like injections, That's not the word I'm thinking of.

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Speaker 1: But you know you need constant people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you need that hit that, you need that the fix, the fix that's exactly of other people. Learning to not need that is really important in life I learned it very late.

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Speaker 1: I want to and I've traveled on my own, and I second guessed it the whole time I was planning it, and even when I stepped foot in Italy and I thought to myself, oh my god, I'm here for fifteen days and I got nobody. But I embraced it and said, this is going to make me stronger and appreciate who am I really. I always surround it like her myself with people, and I like to entertain, and I liked I'm a giver and I want everybody to have fun and it's constant.

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Speaker 2: And then so you know, it's interesting about that, since that's what's so interesting about that, And we've had this conversation before. I've never traveled by myself. I think I could do it, but for me, the joy of sharing the experience, sharing the experience. And so while I think it would be a growing experience if you will to travel by yeah, I think it would be. I would feel like it was half a trip for me, because for me, it's it's sharing the experience. Now, there's a lot of other things that I do that I've learned to do by myself.

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Speaker 1: For me, it being power I wanted to know that I could do it. I could do this now. I even wrote in a journal every day, and I've written I don't know how many times those fifteen days. I really wish I had someone here to share this beauty with and to share this moment with, but I didn't, and I continued on. It was the best experience. Yes, I'm not saying I want to do it every year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a different experience for you.

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Speaker 1: For me, it was just proving to myself that I am okay alone as well as we recommend people go out to dinner by themselves and try not to get on your phone.

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Speaker 2: Oh, now I can't do that. I'm not doing that either. All right, Well, Charlotte, let us know. I've got another question here. But I, Charlotte, let us know. I hope that you learn to be alone and that you see the benefits of it. Here's another question from Kennedy. Did I ever tell you that I almost named my daughter Kennedy Kennedy? Yeah, yep, Okay, just a little factory there. Okay. Lately, I've been noticing something about myself that feels different from everyone around me. All my friends are constantly making plans, filling every free hour with group dinners, facetimes, dates, weekend trips, you name it, and I keep finding myself doing the opposite. After work, I crave going home, shutting the door and just being by myself. It's not that I don't like people. I love my friends, but being alone feels easier, calmer, safer. It also does make dating hard, though, because I need this time. I need this alone time a lot. The thing is, I'm starting to wonder if something's wrong and if I'll ever meet a partner who gets it. Is it normal to generally prefer being alone even when everyone else seems to crave constant connection? And how do I know if this is healthy solitude or if I'm slowly isolating myself without realizing it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a good point, but are you ever joining your friends? Like you have to answer that own question yourself. Do you occasionally join them or is this constant?

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Speaker 2: Well, she says, all of her friends are constantly making plans, and she finds herself doing the opposite after work, She creates going home. Now the question is in her job. Does she have a job where she's interacting with people all the time, and you know, that's a lot of social.

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Speaker 1: Funny me being behind the chair and doing how many customers clients a day. When I used to get in the car and drive back to the city to my place, I couldn't even put the radio one. Sometimes, especially on a Saturday, the buzz, the chaos just quite silent. Yeah, and I wouldn't have a problem staying in on a Saturdays after working.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I may say to you, Kennedy, you know yourself, if you're feeling like you're spending too much alone time. I mean, work is work, right, But if you're not socializing very little, you're not doing those trips occasionally, you're not going out for those dinners occasionally, you're not getting together with your friends occasionally, then that's probably too much alone time. If you're asking us if it's too much alone time, it probably is.

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Speaker 1: Friends are going to do things without you, and stop asking. That's another thing that happens. Yes, when you constantly turn people down from an invite, eventually they don't ask it.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: They'll say something like this, you know you're always invited. You let us know when you want to come.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and you're not asked to get your feelings hurt. Yeah. Well, and Kennedy says she's looking for a partner. If she said, if I ever get a partner who gets it, well, sweet girl, Kennedy, to find a partner, you have to get out and socialize. They're not going to materialize on your front yard. So you know, healthy solitude is one thing, but isolation. And you seem to know the difference because you use those words. You know what is healthy and what is going to be on the pale. And so I would encourage you to sit down in your alone time and maybe you know, look at your schedule. How much time are you alone? How much time are you devoting to others?

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Speaker 1: That's true, right, That's absolutely true.

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Speaker 2: It's just you know, Kennedy, let us know. We hope that you get out, but let us know how you're feeling. We don't want you to feel isolated. So let us know. And in the meantime, we're going to tell you, guys what our ideal day alone looks like. So okay, Susan oh no, I'm asking your girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: First, if you have tire day to yourself to do whatever you want it, what would you.

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Speaker 2: Do for me? It's so easy from the point. I would get up, have my couple of cups of coffee, water my plants. I have a lot of days by myself, so this is an easy question for me. Water my plants, have coffee, take a walk, work on needle point, call my sister. It's you know, read. I love to read, bake something if I feel like it. I don't have any trouble occupying my day. None. Sometimes, you know, I listen to music, i'll pray, I do a variety of things. But I sometimes, though, especially lately, you know, my husband being gone creeps into my consciousness and I'm like, and I have to guard against that, and that's when I know I need to get out. What about you?

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Speaker 1: Well, it could be either or what does that mean? A perfect day for me? It would be go out and get a massage or a facial or go shopping, take myself out to lunch or dinner, or stay home, make my house clean, all the laundry done, maybe clean out of closet, open a bottle of wine, have some cheese and crackers. Netflix it like they do these things.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. You and I, it's not fair because you and I are mostly retired and we get. We we get the option to do these things, and and I'm grateful for those times. I mean, I wake up, You're gonna laugh. I wake up in the morning, Like this morning, I woke up. I'm embarrassed to tell you. I woke up at four. I woke up at five. I woke up at six. At six o'clock, I said, damn it. I got up.

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Speaker 1: I mad, like I did the all night. I think it was the full move.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I was up all night. I got up and made a cup of coffee, brought it upstairs. The cats were like, oh goody, breakfast, eirly, mommy's up, Mommy's up. I got up, I made a cup of coffee. I crawled into bed with my book and I sat there and I read for an hour, and then I fell back asleep for an hour and a half. I mean it was and I literally sat there thinking, boy, if I had a guy in my bed next to me, this probably wouldn't go so well.

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Speaker 1: So you might be doing the same.

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Speaker 2: Thing maybe, But I'm just saying it's like that, I'm not lonely. I find loneliness for me. Just to round out this whole episode. Sometimes I feel lonely. When I go back and think about the time loss with my husband, then I'm lonely and I have to fight against that.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll look ahead and see I have nothing going on for four straight days. It's almost fearful. It was, We're not going to do it myself. I figure it out, trust me. Yeah, but I do have those moments from back when I surrounded myself with people. Well, I'm sorry you did, or do quiet? Pardon me, I didn't hear you.

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Speaker 2: Did, or do surround yourself with people. I didn't know what you said.

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Speaker 1: Always did, always, And now I'm okay not constantly being with people. I work with people every day, you know, that was my whole career, right, And it's okay to have the quiet time. But there was a time I would fear being alone. I don't want to be by myself. It's no fun being by myself, you know.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, sometimes when I think, I mean not to be morbid. But when I think, I'm I'm pretty happy girl. But sometimes when I I think it would be so nice to have someone, you know, when I went to Lakinga and visited my friend, my guy friend who shall be nameless he you shall not be named. We're just friends. But I thought, you know, we're so comfortable with each other. I just I thought, this is what it could be like to have a friend so that you're not alone when you don't want to be alone, but.

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Speaker 1: And you don't isolate yourself from others, force yourself to be a part.

00:30:06
Speaker 2: Well.

00:30:06
Speaker 1: I do always turn people down, like the one woman.

00:30:10
Speaker 2: Was saying, oh no, saying yes, and opportunity has.

00:30:14
Speaker 1: To say yes for sure. Some people don't even want to go. Just force yourself. A lot of times, you're gonna have a good time. I remember somebody saying to me, you don't want me there, I'm not gonna be good company. Oh shut up, get dressed, come on, We're gonna make you have fun.

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I again, I think you and I are a point in our lives where we know the difference between loneliness and being alone. And loneliness to me, you know, has a negative connotation. It just does. But being alone that is a choice, and it's a choice where we get to grow and have fun and enjoy ourselves and our activities. And with that, you know, I'm gonna go be alone right now. Susan, that's gonna do it for this episode, I'm done with you.

00:30:58
Speaker 1: Thanks everyone calls me in thirty minutes now.

00:31:03
Speaker 2: Myself probably I will call her. But in the meantime, thank you to everybody for listening in. We hope that you learn something and maybe you can think about yourself. Are you lonely or alone? And if you're lonely, do something about it. If you're alone, learn to enjoy it.

00:31:18
Speaker 1: Definitely enjoy your time alone. It's empowering, yeah, and it's discovering who you are, what your likes are. Don't be lonely. If you are feeling that, remove yourself from that situation.

00:31:34
Speaker 2: Do something about it.

00:31:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, and be sure to keep sending us your questions because we just love diving into these. And just go to Bachelor Nation dot com slash Golden Hour and submit away because that's what we're here for.

00:31:48
Speaker 2: That's what we're here for. Listen to Batchelor Happy Hours Golden Hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Until next time, have a great week, have

00:31:58
Speaker 1: A good one.