BIG FACTS feat. DR. BARBER + STACK (Double Episode)

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Speaker 1: Big Bang.

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Speaker 2: What it is you don't be on nothing, I be on BBJ okay, so let me ask bring you big big facts.

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Speaker 2: From the Trap Music Museum, Big Bank, DJ Screen Baby J. We hear, we team Big Fashion. Today we're welcoming for a very important conversation to one and only, doctor Travis Barber has joined us. Welcome, Welcome, my brother. How you feeling today?

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Speaker 1: Feeling wonderful? Feeling wonderful.

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Speaker 2: So let's start by giving everybody a little background on what you're doing in the community.

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Speaker 1: How you got to that point.

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Speaker 2: We know you're all spend some time incarcerated and then you know obviously turned that negative into a positive.

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Speaker 1: So just talk to the people. Give him a little bit of background in yourself.

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Speaker 4: The background, high school football, star, college, drop for a scholarship with Jordiantown University, stayed one year, came home still addicted to the fame, name in the paper and everything.

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Speaker 1: So so thank.

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Speaker 4: Fighting the dogs, meeting on the dope boys, and from there capping the jug. And then my man came through, dropped me off a load and went on looking back from there and up catching the murder case and character that I didn't commit end up getting convicted, Sir got sent it to twenty years, served teen on ten in and ten on paper.

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Speaker 1: So I got down in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: So what was it doing your incarceration that you envisioned like writing a book, helping the community getting out and help. Was it that vacation that was that allows you to get your mind right to do everything you're doing? Now?

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Speaker 4: That that vacation put me on a new pivotal being away from my own sons and seeing so many young black boys coming through them walls and looking like my own kids. Yeah, I just had a deep passion to becoming the father to them boys that I wanted the man to be to my kids on the street.

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Speaker 5: So let me ask you this, just going back to you said that you served ten years, You had to do ten years on paper. How hard was it for you to stay out of trouble for those ten years that you had on paper so that you wouldn't go back.

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Speaker 4: It was hard just for the minor infraction, just knowing that somebody could make a phone call and say that trap did this, A trap said that a trap hit me, And I'm gonna have to go back to jail, go down the road for two years to prove Yeah, said that it was I really had to choose my friends and places wisely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: So so how was it, like what made you addicted to the street, Like made you want to go to the street? Speaking seeing my mom working twenty four seven for thirteen fourteen years throughout high school and knowing that the NFL was gonna be my way of taking her off her feet, and when that didn't work out, it was by any mean necessary at that point. And you know, our community, everybody got some work and that's why it.

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Speaker 1: Took to when you got to work.

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Speaker 4: Do you think out now you still focus after you start the money that you got, like typical nigga like fuck that. Now I'm from the flex and the bit. Well I did that too, But I still put my mon deuce in the crib and snatched me up two of them and handle them. I being I was still taking care of just my community. Yeah, so it wasn't like I was impacting the whole city as well, just just my crew, my people. But may you start just really really really like, I mean, how you stay focused doing this shit?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I know nigga have to come out. They pocket niggas got you daytime? Like how you stay focused and grounded and motivated to do this shit?

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Speaker 1: On what I'm doing now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, knowing that that can be my child getting in one of the police calls, That could be my child upon one.

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Speaker 1: Of the body bags.

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Speaker 4: Knowing the position that I put other people's lives in and being a part of a murder and having to live with knowing that I played a role in that man demise, and never being able to tell his mother that I'm sorry for what I did to cause that that night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever?

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Speaker 2: You know, along the journey of serving the community and talking to you just got to have them days with you. Like man, sometimes I feel like a lost cause, Like just a lot of frustration, you know what I'm saying, When you feel.

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Speaker 4: Like you might not be reaching like you want to, Like I had that feeling yesterday. I was getting off on the West End. I meant the light.

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Speaker 1: That I hear my periffic, I see the I see the most. I ain't tripping. I heard I look, but it got a stick. I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 4: I ain't trying his own man, But I pulled on off, dip to the right and got the hell on. And I'm sitting there, like three in the evening and you in broad daylight the gas station shooting across the street. I don't know who he was shooting at, but he was just gone home. And I'm sitting at my head like damn, I'm I really making a difference, Like what's what's the problem, what's going on? What do you think put niggas in their mindset?

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Speaker 1: Just go out like that man?

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Speaker 4: Niggas broke hungry and then probably got kids at the house, probably just got chumped all by this old lady.

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Speaker 1: His homeboys up and he.

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Speaker 4: Ain't and just that envy. It just bring hatred and just that vicious mindset. I ain't fucking I ain't got nothing to live for us.

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Speaker 2: So you think when when any of us at this table pull up and just talk to them or do something for him, that I think that helps the cause, Like at least man somebody might give a fuck, Like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when they when we pull up and we leave a phone number and we respond to a text or call, that makes the difference. Now, he said to me, that made sense though, and you like ship were trying to get the niggas who.

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Speaker 1: Ain't already made their mind.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so many niggas already made up their mind home, Like how to reach them?

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Speaker 2: Can of niggas this already got their mind made up? Or we reached them when they hit right Street, when they get down there in Jackson their life of spirits, we reached them when they send they're like, damn a fucked up.

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Speaker 5: But just like, for instance, I was able to be a part of one of his programs that he does at one of the places like around the city is called an apt Promise Center or whatever. So I had a chance to speak.

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Speaker 6: To the kid to like a group of kids.

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Speaker 5: I had a chance to interact with a group of kids and also come together with other entrepreneurs to like help put some stuff together for them. And I feel like those types of programs and those types of things is what's really making the difference. So I know, you get discouraged or whatever, and like seeing that at three o'clock in the day kind of like it's like damn, like what's really going on?

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Speaker 6: But you got to.

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Speaker 5: Understand, like even like it's like two of those kids from the program, and from like the program that you put me into, they still talk to me, like on Instagram, they still send me shit stuff I posted for or whatever from their businesses and all that kind of stuff. And I didn't even really think it was that big of a deal. But they really like just appreciated just the interaction, not even any money or anything that like you guys have done for them or anything like that, But it's just little things like that that give them the hope that they need to keep going on the road to be successful.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and just for them being able to say, she responded, yeah, who she says, she is right, That makes them give that much more strength to keep going to carry on and be like I'm gonna show them that I can do it too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Some people look at it like like when you when you have to go and speak to kids and do activities with kids or you know, young adults or whatever, like it's a chore. But sitting down to listen to their stories and to get to know what they've been through and to hear what they're trying to do, it's really it's really refreshing. Like it's not like it's something that's gonna oh my God, take a whole lot of time out of your day. Like once you do it once, you're gonna want to do it again. And it's gonna be something that's really gonna like make a difference for you as a person, even if you're going through some shit. To know that the same way that you're talking to them and you're helping them them talking to you and like you knowing that you're making a difference with them can like help your shit tremendously.

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Speaker 1: Good things in perspective for sure?

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Speaker 6: For sure.

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Speaker 2: What do do you have any like biggest regret along your journey?

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Speaker 1: Like or do you take it all in as this is how I got.

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Speaker 4: The only regret that I have is about my third year because even in prison, I was the same dude. Everybody wanted to pull up on and talk to me, get him a barber, chill, just being my present, work out with me.

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Speaker 1: And dude came to see me.

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Speaker 4: He was mental health and I was tired this day and he was at the door, so he wanted me to come hollering him, but I was tired, so I tell him I catch him out.

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Speaker 1: The child call. Child call never came.

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Speaker 4: It was locked down for the rest of the day my partner hung itself, So that fucked with me so hard, knowing that I probably was the bridge between him and suicide.

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Speaker 1: So that ship be on my back them there every day.

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Speaker 6: But you can't blame yourself for that though I.

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Speaker 1: Can't, but you know, he had me my biggest regret.

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Speaker 4: What's the worst part about like trying to, you know, go clean and stay clean and be an activist, Like, what's the worst part of that ship for you?

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Speaker 1: One of my partners calls me a police, saying niggas, and.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, you know me, you know, like for real, And then I think about my granddaughter calling me grand grand and I just.

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Speaker 1: Like, y'all, you don't be doing police.

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Speaker 4: But you know, when when you're doing good and when you're doing what you're supposed to do, you don't found your lane and you ain't over that. I ain't got that same guyage as conversation no more. Yeah, I don't want to talk about the holes and calls and clubs. I'm talking about these laws, restrictions or reform and everything else going on in our community with the kids. So he feels sometimes away. So I'm just like, cool, that's what to do, and I had to go ahead and let that rolling off the shoulder. He's just saying, like, just if like this is so bathed, we nigga, try to do something positive that you're opposed to saying, that's what.

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Speaker 1: I am, that's where we are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I go into the courtroom juvenile, I'm a credible messenger. I can intercede on the behalf of the on juveniles. Mister, let me credible message me. I've been sworn in going to the courtroom and they're gonna take my expert advice on what the child needs of what they can do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no help niggas based damn right. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Wed the last class that we graduated.

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Speaker 6: Of the how many kids was in that class?

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Speaker 1: Sixteen sixteen?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like sixteen kids.

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Speaker 5: They came through one of his programs in conjunction with the Fulton County Court system, and they completed the program, they graduated.

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Speaker 6: We threw a party for them to their parents.

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Speaker 5: They didn't have any jail time, and I think fourteen or fifteen out of the sixteen kids left the program with jobs and like stable employment.

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Speaker 1: What happened? Vouch for a nigga, He don't do what he sposed to be doing what happened.

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Speaker 4: Then they're gonna lock his ass up. When parole vouch for you, you get in trouble, you're going.

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Speaker 1: Back to so but but you ain't gotta go.

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Speaker 4: Turn now now now he he gotta fuck up on you know what I'm saying, Yeah, fucked up like I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Like if you've seen like saying, you've seen early.

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Speaker 4: Signs like they ain't listen, you ain't gonna go tell them like you try to do what you need to do. Yeah, So what I do before I go in there, I'm gonna go. I want to see your your criminal history. I ain't put my snap on just know anything right right right, so that I go in there and do my own homework. I just go because the mama cried, I ain't got nothing to do with that. Three folks got home invasion. Mama, get your.

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Speaker 1: Lawyer. You don't need me for real. So that's how I do that. I try to do my own vetting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I work hard to get this voice inside the courtroom most definitely.

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Speaker 6: To have it's incrediblized.

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Speaker 4: That's all right, Yeah, No, sir, was like one of my moment that really like like damn, like you felt one of them kids like you know what I'm saying, Like, damn like a story from a kid, you know what I'm saying. The dude that I took to the studio homeless, he left his mother in New Orleans to come up here to try to get on his feet so he can send for them. And he was just struggling living at the at the children's foster care home.

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Speaker 1: And he took him to the studio.

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Speaker 4: He on the Martyr bus playing his bluetooth and give him a concert lady recording.

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Speaker 1: And he went viral.

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Speaker 4: Little Farrell he doing shows. Now I got a little agent doing. He doing good man, it's just taking that time out.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 1: It didn't cost me nothing but about forty dollars buff of gas.

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Speaker 4: Pick him up for the train station, take him the slip big studio and he put it on the track and man doing his thing and there because somebody took the time to be a friend or father, role model.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I seen, I seen.

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Speaker 4: I seen a post on your paid with y'all y'all getting ya hugs by and you looking like But I ain't never had a hook like hey man. And for me, I never had a hook for my father. And when I realized that forty seven years old in counseling, that that was.

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Speaker 6: Part of your problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now.

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Speaker 4: I can speak on it and from a masculine point and let the boys know that you're not alone. And when I asked you who never had a hook from their father, half the room raised their hand in the little buck. He didn't let go, and I ain't let go. We just sitting there crying and praying. And then it with viral.

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Speaker 5: I been telling people that I'm a big like I'm a big hugger person. I'm big on hugs too, and it's like it's not even just about the hug or the embrace, it's the transfer of that energy like in that that comfort within, that like wrap around you know what I'm saying That people don't understand it is very important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, everybody responsible for their own actions and choices. But if you could, I don't want to use the word blame, but point a finger to the community and say, well, y'all just as much as the problem as the youth, you know what I'm saying, Like, where would you point that fingers?

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Speaker 4: The education, the information and it's out there, but we ain't trying to get it. We like common sense, don't want to get the acquired sense. You gotta go get it that common stance. Everybody just gonna get what's on their plate. Well, I seen did Gregor say we wanted educational reliberation? What you're thinking?

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Speaker 2: Like, I think the mine at first, you gotta add That's what I was gonna say. You gotta add that to it too. That's the main part of it. I think that you gotta be educated on that money first time. We're gonna do it here.

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Speaker 1: It's real. Watch, I gotta keep this image up. I'm crazy crazy. That's so. That's where get that.

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Speaker 4: So that's what We're gonna take some some financial advisors into our programs and let these kids learn how to manage fifty dollars and you know, we just take them start off small until we get the back of that we need.

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Speaker 1: We gotta do what we gotta do for hours. Do you think it's a mental blocking though?

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Speaker 4: When the nigga so fucked up, he got so much trauma, like he can't even learn, he can't even.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, generation to the ship some of the ship generation.

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Speaker 4: I think niggas be having so much ship going on in their mind and when they leave the house, by the time I get to school, on really just he'll just just tore.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sitting in the motherucking really out. I can't learn ship thinking about this. Just say your mama get beat up. That's that's that's major.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I like to go meet the parents, go see the home life so I know what I'm dealing with, so we can have a special.

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Speaker 6: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: So I can't just do that with you in school. I need to see how living where you come from.

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Speaker 1: Say anything else when I get big.

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Speaker 2: But I think we all gotta look at there's some people who came up out of that with no mentors, no health, no nothing, and also clicked in.

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Speaker 1: Their head that man, I'm gonna do something different. They still be fucked up in the.

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Speaker 4: Through you to suppress that ship needs to be still fucked up and PTSD like I'm off I've been shot three times. Then the ship I experienced in prison and all the violence and everything, so you know, like I don't slip by three hours and I'm cool with it, and I learned how to live with it, right, But that ship that still got dawn underwing, No ship that a nigga fucked up and don't even know what it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I go talk. I learned that in prison the first time.

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Speaker 4: We don't held hands and praying and cry because everybody got the same problem. I want to be free, I want to be my family. We wouldn't doing that on the street probably unless we be in the locker room, football game, the large prayer and we're finisah go, but just really pouring out, expressing what's going on and having an accountability partner, Uh.

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Speaker 1: That band of brothers that I can lean on and ship getting tough. You don't have that. I hit too tough. That's why I want to get these kids.

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Speaker 6: So let's talk about your degree.

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Speaker 5: What was the road to you getting your degree and what made you understand the importance of actually having it?

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Speaker 6: And the third part is how has it helped you?

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Speaker 4: Since I got my degree through my acts of kindness in the community.

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Speaker 1: I got an honorary doctor degree.

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Speaker 4: And that was a miracle within itself and it's really catapulned me to the next level of just respect as well as put me in rooms with different people that can do more for our community than we can together and for my kids. Send me walk across that stage in that captain gown. It was priceless because they seen me go across the courtroom in them shackles and now to come back ten years later.

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Speaker 1: And hey, yeah, yeah for real? That Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what's the biggest thing you feel like you still got to accomplish in order to, you know, further push forwards your journey.

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Speaker 4: Get that facility, the One More Question Life Center. It's gonna be open like the waffle house. So no matter what time, kids twenty four seven, boot walk in no red tape. I don't care where you're from, who your parents are, what you got going on, We're gonna sit down and get you what you need.

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Speaker 2: Have a real conversation with you. Hirt, Now, how do you feel about doing that? And the potential that niggas can fuck it up just having it's a great idea.

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing. I can't let that stop me because I'm a nigga.

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Speaker 2: They said it was a fuck upright, but look at me now, convict.

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Speaker 4: The failing I did. I got a proclamation on parole in the City South forard. They got my own holiday on parole. You got a program in the aps on parole, So I can't let that stopped me, man, because some good ones out there got to push forward. You know, my faith to God know that this ain't even my assignment. I wouldn't have chose that ship on my own, for you know, I wouldn't have chose it. They chose what's the shit you do? To Like, you know when you kids, some of your niggas who just think they why what's the shit you do?

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Speaker 1: It makes them know like, oh nah, the thing like that came was different.

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Speaker 4: See some of them, I just I just let them let life spankle because I got all kind of warnings right before I caught my case.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: It was a drought on no work, So I'm chilling, Grandmama. I'm chilling, mama. But everybody tell me about see polices around you. But you gotta slow down so once life catcher wouldn't then there. Listen to me until the end, but you can't do never these young cats, especially they getting their money. They don't need you, but when they hit the fan.

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Speaker 2: Though, we was talking about this on another episode. How important do you think that the daddies and the father figures are?

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Speaker 1: For number one? Right? Number one. You see the little boy with.

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Speaker 4: Well, my buddy has a six year old son that does cody.

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Speaker 1: He creates video games. Six another little boy six play football.

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Speaker 4: But it's all about what the daddy pours into him.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the father is very important, especially for a male. Ain't nowhere around it. Mm hmm. Do you think that like.

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Speaker 2: Black men might not know what they're doing when they abandon their family or abandon that child. They know what we know we hit that bland. We don't hit that cocaine. We know we hit that bill. We know leaving your child is going to leave him to the wolves.

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Speaker 1: Up other people absolutely going to Yeah in most cases, h yeah, that's man. Yeah we know. Yeah, daddy's around. Ye got too.

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Speaker 2: Even if you're mama trip, you still got a fight for that's for that visitation, for that availability.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of hard though.

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Speaker 4: What's what about some of them got damn some of them they do for sure.

00:21:15
Speaker 1: But I mean in that case, the woman is hurting the family just like a pawn or a balcony chip.

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Speaker 6: That ship, bro, that's why you gotta go get naturalized.

00:21:24
Speaker 1: How was that?

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Speaker 6: I mean I might have said it wrong, but it's.

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Speaker 5: When when you have legitimized, legitimized, they're not saying nothing at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're legitimate, so you.

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Speaker 6: Can have just as just as many rights. Is the custodial periods equal?

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Speaker 4: But but but just thinking about this though, I ain't I'm just playing devil. I ain't saying it right or wrong, saying but what nigga going down and talking them folks about anything? Right the daddy going I went down there. I know, I'm just saying, but you but you you had them.

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Speaker 1: Became a man y.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, niggah just still in the street, still trying to do this, still doing that. Still, I ain't trying to go down there and get on some folks mind about know nothing. Yeah, and you know it's crazy that my son, he's twenty one and problems. If I wasn't here in his life, he wouldn't be going down on his own because he's arguing about the time to get with his kid. You have you just the baby dad right now, buddy, Yeah, you gotta go get on legitimate. You gotta go down and put yourself on child support if you want. You want to have to say something. Yeah, now you're saying so that that's the way they can just go down and put itself on you and ask for what you want.

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Speaker 1: That's it. They're gonna eat it up, and.

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Speaker 6: That way you'll be able to make your demands.

00:22:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful. It's people watching. It's gonna know that nothing that we touched absolutely don't know.

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Speaker 2: Probably if you got you have a baby the wet lock, that baby belongs to that mother, and if you die, if the mother dies, that baby's going to the cust of her parents, not you dadd on the birth certificate.

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Speaker 4: If you're not legitimised, even if your name is versus, it don't even matter. That's they go to the grandparents. Yeah, state of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: If I think it's differently, I get married.

00:23:01
Speaker 2: But can you're married already?

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Speaker 1: I ain't know that.

00:23:07
Speaker 2: So some people be taking care of the kids, doing everything they gotta do. This ship might happen and they ain't even it is their kid and they can't even.

00:23:15
Speaker 1: Yeah you can't. You operated, don't operate. You ain't got no say so. But that's cold.

00:23:23
Speaker 2: So do you how how much do you partake in Do you listen to the Do you listen to music like the current?

00:23:28
Speaker 1: I do what you like, What I like? What music?

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Speaker 2: Got like R and B pretty much. I listened to a little rap. I like baby, couple of songs. I like t I, Troy, I like.

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Speaker 1: I like a lot of the music.

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Speaker 4: But I can't deal into it. I can't ride around and just beat im. Gonna catch two or three songs and I'm good, Yeah, a couple of them.

00:23:49
Speaker 1: I'm good. Yeah.

00:23:51
Speaker 5: So let's get into behind the Trap, Behind the Trap, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 4: That was me, big trap. You know, the trap was the man. Yeah, he was a pretty wild guy. Yeah, pretty wild. I got this was gonna be my abitu where I ain't think I was gonna live the twenty years. So I wanted my sons to know exactly who I was and what I was about. And yeah, so I end up turning to a book when I got out. Another part to coming o because of everything that I'm doing now. But behind the Trap, this is my life story from this from college to I caught my cage, the lifestyle I lived in prison. But I wanted them to know who Travis Barble was instead of trap.

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Speaker 1: You know, you put it in put on a film.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's next. That's next. Baby steps for me. You know, I'm a one man show.

00:24:41
Speaker 6: I need like a part.

00:24:42
Speaker 5: I need to play like I'm halfway through.

00:24:46
Speaker 1: Okay, cool you go.

00:24:47
Speaker 6: I haven't finished yet, but I'm halfway through.

00:24:49
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah so that yeah, that's you did the audio. I haven't get out there yet. I'm gonna get one from my brothers.

00:24:57
Speaker 1: Don't like to read. Hey, I got you definitely that thing that nice I did.

00:25:06
Speaker 2: I did the documentary to the documentary should be coming on Amazon Prime.

00:25:09
Speaker 1: Were getting all the specs together now.

00:25:11
Speaker 4: I did a documentary to just give a backdrop of where I come from, what happened, who I hurt, and who I've helped along the way, so that you have to understanding who I am when they do.

00:25:23
Speaker 1: See to move and read the book.

00:25:25
Speaker 6: That's big.

00:25:26
Speaker 2: What you tell somebody that you just feel like they got a dark cloud over there, That's the first thing you tell somebody just feel like that dark cloud over the head and.

00:25:34
Speaker 1: It won't leave. Oh yeah, you're in a good place, guy. I know somebody got to cast it over their body the whole dop you know, for really you got just a cloud, great cloud? Yeah you feel here you talking about I tell.

00:25:53
Speaker 2: Them cats all the time. Man, there's some cats that's praying for your problems.

00:25:58
Speaker 1: That's real ship. Mm hmm.

00:26:00
Speaker 4: I know a bunch of them just praying for our problems. So them dark clouds. That really what made me the man that I am. I wouldn't have went to prison. I wouldn't I probably already be dead summer, you know, don't you know start using my own shifters. I ain't no telling, but I wasn't gonna have this type of knowledge, of this type of drive to go back into the community that I once explored it and destroyed, to help rebuild it and give the information and even partnering with Impact and geting into the county jails, getting the people that have who hasn't been convicted, the absentee ballot, people who won't parole, they don't know that they can still.

00:26:35
Speaker 1: Vote as long as they are all fine.

00:26:36
Speaker 4: I just want to be the biggen the light while I'm here to just make a difference and a bigger, greater impact.

00:26:43
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

00:26:43
Speaker 1: That's hard. What you got coming up. Appreciate you. We took out. We gonna what you got coming up? I got coming up working with the DA office. Ms.

00:26:56
Speaker 4: Willis and her assistant. We're going into the schools and into the community to do the record expaniement, going with Captain White with Cobb County. He has a domestic violence centator that they're opening. I'll be I'll be mentoring the kids, and then Harry County Sheriff's Kendrick working with him as well as his S three program. I'm just trying to be in every position man to help all people. All people get a better understanding what what's really going on when they do break the law and it ain't the end of your life when you do get a sentence.

00:27:33
Speaker 1: I want them to know that turn your your your diary into a novel.

00:27:39
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, it is a big shout out Doctor Travis Barbary. Check out ho up a book One more Time for Behind the Travels on Amazon.

00:27:53
Speaker 1: Amazon. Check that out. You know what I'm saying. It's solutely for coming. Thank you as important conversation.

00:27:59
Speaker 2: Check us out to Triple W dot bigfaspod dot com on the street exactly.

00:28:03
Speaker 1: It's a big facts I don't Captain Bitch.

00:28:07
Speaker 2: Coming to you from the Trap Music Museum, Big Bank, Baby j DJ Scream is here. We're about to have a conversation with the one and only stacked on big facts right.

00:28:15
Speaker 1: Now, give it up a stack Stack. What's up, my brother? How you feeling. How you're feeling?

00:28:19
Speaker 3: Man, slow motion? I can't complain. Man. Happy to be here. Congratulations. What you guys got going.

00:28:23
Speaker 1: Bro, Salute to you, Salute to you. Man.

00:28:25
Speaker 3: Let everybody know, you know what I'm saying.

00:28:27
Speaker 2: You give yourself your own proper introduction to who Stack is. You know what I'm saying, a little bit of your history, a little bit what you got going on now, and everything like that.

00:28:35
Speaker 7: Uh, you know, I'm just humble serving my brother, that's all. But born and raised in California, San Diego. Been out here in Atlanta over twenty years. Went to college out here. I went to Morris Brown back in the day. I'm back in the nineties. Came out here for a minute with the Morris Brown left, went back to California, you know, started dibbling, dabbling with the little music industry, and.

00:28:58
Speaker 3: Came back to Atlanta in two thousand and one.

00:28:59
Speaker 7: So I've been out here, you know for a long about over twenty plus years out here.

00:29:04
Speaker 2: At what point, I guess, you know, between the HBCU and the music industry. At what point of that journey did you run into your legal issues?

00:29:13
Speaker 7: Shit, I really probably about two thousand and I got my case in March twenty fourteen, So you know, I've been you know, ducking dodging for a while. But then you know, life happens and you got to sit down and reevaluate some things, you know.

00:29:28
Speaker 2: And they're coming out of that, like what was your mindset to say, Man, I'm gonna come out of this stronger and bigger and better and wise and basically make sure I don't have to go through this shit again.

00:29:39
Speaker 7: You know, I always tell a person about if it's about when something happened to you and how you react and respond to any situation. So when I came home in January twenty twenty, so you know, I had a chance to sit down and change my whole perspective. Man, sometime life will sit you down, and if you get it, you know you make the right decision when you come home. So when you're out here in the streets and you're doing your one two to worry about no bills, you ain't got to worry about the only thing you're worried about your freedom. But if you use your time, right, you got to put a plan together. So that's what I did, man, really set down and just reevaluate some things and put things in perspective.

00:30:12
Speaker 5: So when you were when you had caught your case and they sentenced you, and during the period of time that you were incarcerated, you applied for the first offender at I mean the first it was the first offender, first step.

00:30:27
Speaker 3: First, you know, first offender. But the judge don't have to give it to you. A lot of that shit.

00:30:30
Speaker 7: I didn't know the judge, the judge you asking for the first offender. They denied it because of the amount of work I had. So there was like not not in this case, but it's all up to the judge. So you know, basically, when the judge told me thirty to fifteen, I didn't know nothing about another shit and my attorney was telling me five years and.

00:30:48
Speaker 3: That's the thirty year time for non violent drug charge. And so the judge was like, you know, they was laughing at my sentence talking about first offender. Not for that amount of amount of work you got, you know what I mean. So they denied it. They denied it.

00:31:02
Speaker 6: But it's something so basically at their discretion.

00:31:05
Speaker 3: Basically yepp okay.

00:31:06
Speaker 6: And then when you did get sentenced, I know that you got out twenty twenty correct and once you got out, you're still on is it ten years of probation or twenty five total?

00:31:22
Speaker 7: It's a total of twenty five because out of that thirty, you know, when they say do a thirty OD.

00:31:27
Speaker 3: Time, which is five years. The rest is all paperwork.

00:31:30
Speaker 7: So they wanted me to do ten years parole, which I've been home almost four years now, so basically ten years parole.

00:31:36
Speaker 3: Then after my.

00:31:37
Speaker 7: Paroles, like, okay, you're done with parole, nigga, Now give me fifteen years of probation six hundred thousand dollars.

00:31:42
Speaker 3: Fine, you know what I mean?

00:31:43
Speaker 6: So explain to people what's the difference between parole and probation parole.

00:31:47
Speaker 7: You're still in the Department of Corrections, you know what I mean? Like you still yeah, you're still locked up. Like out here in Cally we say you're walking with a long tail. So it's like you steal any little hiccup you do shit, they send you back to the pen for anything.

00:32:00
Speaker 3: Probation.

00:32:00
Speaker 7: It's easier to get off probation parole. You know, they try to they want you to do that whole thing. And like I didn't know this at the time, you know, I was you know, it's my first offense. You know, I made the cracks from gang banging in California to make it out of here. But all my partners went through it. So it's like, right, you know, now I understand, like damn, but I know people that's in different states, they get slapped on the risk parole, you know, especially even the FAD.

00:32:21
Speaker 3: Cause I did stay time the fad. You do it.

00:32:24
Speaker 7: Given about two years, I'm coming on off parole. They let you off of that paperwork, you know what I mean?

00:32:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So what's the difference, like since you've been home, what's the difference you feel?

00:32:33
Speaker 1: Like, what's the difference in your life? Man? Really?

00:32:35
Speaker 3: Black, it's like.

00:32:38
Speaker 7: Just the way you move everything you do. Now you got to make calculated moves. Now, everything you do, you got to be careful of the people that you're around, you know what I mean, because any little hiccup, they're sending you back to the pens. So like the things that you thought was important back then ain't important no more, you know what I mean. Like you try to realize we don't borrow time out here, man, So everything we do you got to make sense.

00:32:57
Speaker 3: You got to do it with a purpose, now, you know, you do you.

00:33:00
Speaker 1: See where you were, like, damn where I got caught up at? Like was it greed? Was it? God? Damn? You know what I'm saying.

00:33:06
Speaker 4: You know, like when you go sit down and do your time and be like, damn, if I wouldn't have been greed up, I would have just at at one more chance.

00:33:12
Speaker 1: Shit, like when you feel.

00:33:14
Speaker 7: Like you fucked up at man, I should have been washed my hands on me. You know, I gotta You know, I've been on you for a long time. And you told me something a while back. You said, when you're on the other side, you're blind. You don't know what's going on. You don't know what's going to happen when it's coming.

00:33:25
Speaker 3: From that other end.

00:33:26
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What you mean? Hellok, you gotta get to them.

00:33:28
Speaker 7: What you said, you know, like basically when you when you're receiving, you know, you don't know what's going on with the senders, you know what I mean. And you told me a while back home, you said, you know the migos they dirty, you know, what I mean, they do you in without without a second, you know, without the second guess and then what happened basically Yeah, But I was a a lot of people relying on me black, you know what I mean. I had a lot of people are speaking and taken care of man, people's family, and they depended on me for a lot of things. And I wasn't loud with doing my one too, you know what I mean. I was, you know, fucking with the music, doing my want to stand out the way. But man, I think I had I should have been washed my hands on me, you know what I mean? But people keep everybody don't realize, man, that getting that money is an addiction, just like a dope and dope thing they addicted. You can't knock a dope thing because when you are getting that money, man, you living, You having financial freedom, you can go where you want to go. You can do what you want to do. You know, I mean, I actually go other the country. Man, I'm a Dominican. I'm in Columbia taking trips and the experience I got to travel as price was bro I wouldn't trade it for nothing, even my whole sit down. I know, people so of my potets got knocked off, you know what I mean. So, I mean, I'm thankful, homie. I ain't got no planks for real on me. I'm thankful.

00:34:36
Speaker 1: Man.

00:34:37
Speaker 2: When it comes to criminal justice reform, what do you think is the most pressing issue?

00:34:43
Speaker 1: Man?

00:34:43
Speaker 3: They just.

00:34:46
Speaker 7: Man, they just I see out here I'm speaking in the state of Georgia.

00:34:51
Speaker 3: They look at you as a number, homie. They look at you as a as a number when you locked up behind the system.

00:34:56
Speaker 7: And I think what you guys are doing speaking on it, you got it's gotta you know, you got to have knowledge about it because you know, again, a lot of people don't know what's going on. They don't know about you know, getting out here and catching the case. And they don't know about these public defenders gonna wash them up. So it's all it's all like it's a setup for us, man, like we were behind the eight ball.

00:35:17
Speaker 3: Man, scream. We need to educate the people more about it, because, man, you don't know about this.

00:35:22
Speaker 7: I didn't know about the My judge told me I'm doing five years. I mean, my attorney told me I'm doing five years, homie. I was looking at five years when that judge said thirty to fifteen. Nigga, my whole life lashed from me. But you know I can't let them see me.

00:35:35
Speaker 3: I have no prior from your lawyer that he didn't tell He didn't tell me nonh that he said, you're looking at five years.

00:35:40
Speaker 7: He ain't tell me about all that time on paperwork. But see, I'm thinking money could buy me, you know, buy me off.

00:35:45
Speaker 3: Yer, pay pay lawyer. I had a paid lawyer.

00:35:47
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

00:35:48
Speaker 3: And my shit happened in Kyle County. It is dirty is you know? It was a good old boy system.

00:35:54
Speaker 7: And you know I gave my attorney what twenty five thousand dollars And because once you decided to state state, I got rid of my federal attorney because we thought I was gonna be a fair case. Again, I didn't know that fans have the right to take it or not take it.

00:36:06
Speaker 1: And in my mind, I'm thinking I'm already doing fed time.

00:36:09
Speaker 3: When they said it stay in state, I said, okay, everybody like.

00:36:12
Speaker 1: You win that. I think black you told me that, you said, nigga, that's good to stay stayed.

00:36:14
Speaker 7: I'm like, nigga, you know now, I say, I look back at it like damn I wish to be it worked out the way it's supposed to work out.

00:36:20
Speaker 3: But I have the slightest idea of home up. When they said thirty nigga, I said, damn, but you know you gotta stand strong, nigga. You know you know what you're signed up for. So you know, you know, I'll go, yeah.

00:36:31
Speaker 1: So what that and standing strong?

00:36:33
Speaker 2: And I ask people that have been on their vacations, like when you see so much not standing strong, and what kind of nerve is that striking you?

00:36:43
Speaker 1: Like? People who don't stand strong? Man?

00:36:47
Speaker 7: You know it's a trip, man, because we living in a society now where motherfucker's okay that ship, you know what I mean, when motherfucker's fold up under pressure and it's like, nigga, you know what you're signing for.

00:36:55
Speaker 3: Even these little youngsters banging out here in the.

00:36:57
Speaker 7: Streets or you know, it's a lot of that going known people accepting it and they still dapping a nigga up.

00:37:02
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

00:37:03
Speaker 7: I can't I can't condon you, you know what I mean, Like you look at a lot of people that do some time back in the days, and you know, I ain't gonna speak on another man's you know, without seeing no paperwork. But you know, a nigga get offered thirty years, a nigga do ten and fifteen, but don't know he got He told you get that ten to fifteen and you bet that nigga silid, you know what I mean. But come on with your homework and see why he really told. You know why you got that ten to fifteen and nigga's offered thirty or forty, you know what I mean. So it's it's all I can't get. You know, anybody out here who you know what you sign up for?

00:37:34
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You know what you sign up for. They came at you with that shit. You know, it's crazy. Right when the state trooper pulled me over, he's like, look, nobody know what you got pulled over? He said, tell us what's what I'm like, huh. I'm like, man, that's what attorneys for. He's like, oh, this your first evente you only looking at about twenty five years, you know what I mean.

00:37:51
Speaker 7: So and then one of the attorneys, the federal attorney, he said something. He was like, man, look, you don't have no choice but to cooperate, I said, motherfucker. He ain't even looked at my damn case. John, No, it was it was uh, it was his name. The nigga was he worked with the dude Jerry Frolick. He had he had a cop forgot his name. He is a retired officer, so I forgot his name, I said, nigga, that's why. That's why I said, no, I'm done.

00:38:16
Speaker 1: I think.

00:38:16
Speaker 3: I mean you were sitting down at Benny Hannah and I said, now I got rid.

00:38:19
Speaker 7: Of dude because you know a boy that got the Jerry his homeboy, his home boy.

00:38:23
Speaker 1: I forgot his name.

00:38:24
Speaker 7: He's out of Cob County, but he is like he ain't got I said, man, you fired. That's why I hired Jim Barry out of cop County. This motherfucker talking about cooperator. I'm like, nigga, like we ain't even gotta we ain't gotta discuss this more, you know what I mean, Like it ain't nothing for us to talk about, you know what I mean? So, and that's and that's what they do. They get him up. Fucker like who we and the motherfucker fold. We never been in that situation, you know what I mean? But like no, I stay in ten toes down.

00:38:50
Speaker 2: Anything else about when I got big.

00:38:55
Speaker 1: Would you would you say to a young nigga like.

00:38:58
Speaker 2: Streets is the dead, Like if you can stay out the streets, right, would you say that to them? Or do you think that some people just got to go through the streets to open up other doors and learn certain shit on their journey.

00:39:08
Speaker 7: I mean, I say, do what's best for you, because we don't know everybody's situation, you know what I mean. Like, I ain't gonna never tell a nigga not to do it if I ain't got nothing to offer them, you know what I mean, Like offer these little young niggas some opportunities to do something, you know what I mean. That's why I said I don't knock these little young niggas out here making music, Like a lot of people don't like this new generation of music. I mean, these little niggas getting these checks, but you gotta maximize it. When you get that money, you nigga do something where to take care of your people and put them on And it's all about trying to have financial freedom the right way, because nigga has got damn the streets today, it's a circle. It's gonna set you up. If you get in, get in and get out, you know what I mean. I should have been washed my hands on me. I had a good run. I say I was in and out, but again I have people relying on me. I'm feeding people in the other states and other cities.

00:39:49
Speaker 3: So it was hard.

00:39:50
Speaker 7: It's easy to say, get in, get out, but when you when you got financial freedom, nigga, you could go touch one hundred some thousand dollars cash. Two hundred some thousand dollars cash, nigga, that's hard to you know what I mean. I'm mad that I didn't make no investments, Homie. I didn't have nobody to really guide me and schooled me to show me how literacy. Yeah, yeah, I didn't have nobody like that. I didn't have I've been around when Meat was doing this thing. I see the same thing I've been. I've been around when he went to side in life back in the day. He's like, yo, Stack, you know tell life.

00:40:13
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, you know, Homie, I just it's it's all a learning experience on me.

00:40:18
Speaker 7: It's all about what you go through. Like again, we all gonna face something in life, homies. How you're gonna react and respond when you face with it, you know.

00:40:24
Speaker 1: What I mean. What's the worst part about the current modern day street to street.

00:40:29
Speaker 7: Coach man, They know they don't respect the old geez It's no, it's no. You know, these niggas don't respect the cold, you know what I mean? Like, but who paid the way?

00:40:38
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

00:40:39
Speaker 7: These the younger generation, you gotta go, you know, go sit down and talk to your big homies and really see what's up. Let them lay you up, you know what I mean, Because when your low homies is uh is disrespecting the big homie or the big homie, ain't you know?

00:40:52
Speaker 4: It's the big disrespecting these Yeah, that's right too, went paying the cody respec Yeah, they definitely, they definitely ain't.

00:41:01
Speaker 7: See when I when I go back home to Cali, my nigga, the little young niggas like you know, like like gangster gangster I told you, you know, the homie he he removed himself because these little young niggas is he he he lived by the cold, you know what I mean. We come up in the sambost together even like shure, they don't look at these young niggas, don't They don't fear sugar no more.

00:41:18
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

00:41:18
Speaker 7: They look at him like, Nigga, you a joke, you know, man ready bush he I already known reputation and so. But but they they they knock each other off. Homie scream were so strong Homie as a unit, you know what I mean. Like even when I was in the pen the niggas respected me in the penitentiary because I know how to carry myself.

00:41:39
Speaker 3: Homie.

00:41:39
Speaker 7: I come from a school or you know what I'm saying. They laced my tennis shoes up real well. But Homie, I don't think. I don't think they live by these same rules. And these little niggas is telling. I think telling is a big thing going on right now. The niggas, Hey, him did it, That's the first thing. Him did it, you know what I mean.

00:41:55
Speaker 3: But then the social media fuckingly people up too.

00:41:58
Speaker 7: They I just saw something on TV the other day where what's a little young nigga name out of New York him and him, an offset was beeping about something like, Nigga, you don't don't get on camera, nigga.

00:42:10
Speaker 3: Do if you gotta do.

00:42:11
Speaker 7: Something, do something, do it, nigga. But you know, what I mean, like, and you know, dudes seem like a pretty solid dude. But it's like, nigga, sometimes you're telling yourself one nigga, you know what I mean, if you're gonna do someth nigga, I don't know. We ain't got to parade it. You know, you know what it is. So you know, we're you on social media. Like way back then.

00:42:27
Speaker 3: Before your being and everything, Man, I had a Facebook page or like like that. But it's like right now, I feel like if I got something to promote, I'll get on there and make it.

00:42:35
Speaker 7: I know eventually i'ma have to get an Instagram page. I want to do this the social move I want to talk about criminal justice reform. I want to talk about this shit and I really want to have a platform. But I don't want to do it just for no likes. I don't want people that I don't want to be looking at nobody's page.

00:42:47
Speaker 3: Home.

00:42:47
Speaker 7: It's about it's a sense of urgency now stream home, it ain't we ain't got time to play right now. It's about building generational wealth. Homean thinking, long term stability foundation, you know what I mean.

00:42:56
Speaker 5: So, speaking of generational wealth and the future, and all that kind of stuff. Go ahead and tell people who might not be familiar with what you're doing now about like everything that you have going on now, because you got some really big nature shit.

00:43:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see you all the time on seid, you know what I mean.

00:43:11
Speaker 1: That's you.

00:43:12
Speaker 3: You're doing big things.

00:43:12
Speaker 7: But you know, I came home in January twenty twenty, and like two months after that home, it was a pandemic, you know, covid here.

00:43:20
Speaker 3: I said, damn, everybody talking about nigga locked deal. I said, nigga.

00:43:23
Speaker 1: I just came off with lockdown Nigga.

00:43:25
Speaker 3: We're gonna have fun.

00:43:26
Speaker 7: So in my mind, I'm thinking, like, what's how am I gonna get some money now? Because I you know, I got the money the other way.

00:43:31
Speaker 1: So I sing.

00:43:31
Speaker 7: They're just waiting, waiting, trying to figure out what I'm gonna do. I have my cdo license for a long time. I never used them, you know what I mean. When when Jamal had the little truck coming here, I never put to use, you know what I mean.

00:43:41
Speaker 3: But so I'm thinking, like what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do?

00:43:44
Speaker 7: And one of my partners phase I love e from my hometown and Toashina Arnold like you still got your farm?

00:43:49
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:43:49
Speaker 7: Yeah, he from home. He's the hometown from Daego man him and Toshina Arnold and ye that's from mister Homegirls. And then Storm Reed's mind. They all the industry robbin. I don't know if you need to rob it. So they telling me, they like, you got your CDO license. Man, you need to get on with the teamsters. I'm like, what the fuck is the Team Stir?

00:44:07
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

00:44:08
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is right after the strike, so after the pandemic.

00:44:10
Speaker 7: I'm sitting around like my money going like this, the money I have saved up is going smaller and smaller.

00:44:15
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, about to force my hand. I'm like what I'm gonna do?

00:44:19
Speaker 7: And so there was like you need to get your teamsters, you need to get with the team strews some good money, you know what I mean. So and so so on and so and somebody's like there go apply and I'm like, okay, So I applied.

00:44:29
Speaker 3: You know it's a little spot over off by Lakewood.

00:44:31
Speaker 7: Oh what's that? Lakewood one sixty six. That's where the headquarters of the Team Stirs is. So I don't know nothing about the team. They say, you got to pay eighteen hundred dollars, You got to get.

00:44:39
Speaker 3: A copy of deal. Eighteen hundred dollars.

00:44:41
Speaker 7: The don't give you a guaranteed job home. It's like, you pay eighteen hundred dollars, you might get on. So I'm like, man, I'm not going to get nigga. I ain't got eighteen hundreds to give away.

00:44:49
Speaker 3: And someone said, fuck, you know what, just go try to them down there taking eighteen hundred dollars. I slept in the car.

00:44:54
Speaker 7: I never did this before, Homie. I said, you know, I've been been transferred on buses, in prison for X amount of hours, been in the hole, and all that's what's gonna take you to go send the car for a minute.

00:45:02
Speaker 3: Had everything? Got me a pillow? Slept in the car.

00:45:04
Speaker 7: Was a long ass line to apply because this is the first time the team was hired since twenty seventeen. To pay that eighteen hundred dollars shit, I got on working My first show was like The Residents with what's my man's name?

00:45:17
Speaker 3: This is a Fox show with the act like they doctors or something like that. Dougie Hazard, I don't know I don't know. I was just driving. I was just driving.

00:45:26
Speaker 7: What you do like so so transportation. I'm in the transportation department. So we might pull trailers that the actors be in. Were the first ones on the set with the last ones to leave, you know, we just if we're film it right here, and then tomorrow we got to fill in downtown Atlanta.

00:45:39
Speaker 1: We got to get all the.

00:45:40
Speaker 7: Quick lot of trailers and yeah, and then like or some type of the big white truck, some of.

00:45:45
Speaker 1: The big ones. So many different departments.

00:45:46
Speaker 7: You could drive the you could drive the actors personally, you could drive the trailers. You could do stuff with sound, you can do stuff with electric. There's so many different departments. But it's it's some good little money.

00:45:56
Speaker 1: Man.

00:45:56
Speaker 7: You can make anywhere five thousand dollars a week. You can make three thousand dollars a week, and it's you know, health benefits is good. It's some good money for a person that want.

00:46:05
Speaker 1: To live right.

00:46:06
Speaker 7: Like, it's not an average job. Like I told you, I haven't worked on BMF. That's why always see Jade on that I worked on BMF. I worked on Underdogs movies with Snoop Dogg and Mike Epps. I done worked on Kingdom Business, a BT show, and I didn't build some great relationship with the actors, with the directors. So it's you know, you put me in a position, you put me with the worst of the worst and the best of the best, and it's like, you know, I really had a good opportunity to meet some good people on them sets.

00:46:28
Speaker 1: Man, So how is that?

00:46:30
Speaker 6: I'm sorry? So how is the strike affecting you guys? Right now?

00:46:34
Speaker 3: Man? Everybody going through it?

00:46:35
Speaker 7: Everybody through I'm talking about people losing a like a lot of people, a lot of drivers calling me like, man, Stack, can you help me get a job?

00:46:42
Speaker 1: Do this?

00:46:42
Speaker 7: And you know, I got some good connection with some people. What I still I can call an artist and get on the road and do some road manager work.

00:46:47
Speaker 3: But they're like, man, can you help me get a job?

00:46:49
Speaker 1: Everybody?

00:46:49
Speaker 3: It's fucked up, Jay, like.

00:46:53
Speaker 1: More money.

00:46:53
Speaker 7: The actors and writers. You know they're trying to and I'm new to all this black you know what I mean, I'm like shit, So when they say strike, I now that rod sleeves up on me. I'm not gonna just depend on the teachers or the film But you know.

00:47:06
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, everybody, Yeah, everybody, everybody going through a black like.

00:47:14
Speaker 5: Then another thing too that I saw that was like extremely disrespectful from my perspective, is how they were trying to basically say that during the strike they were going to replace the people that have been working this hard all their lives with like some artificial intelligence and pay them more than they were paying.

00:47:36
Speaker 6: The people, the human people. That's crazy.

00:47:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard about it.

00:47:41
Speaker 6: Man.

00:47:42
Speaker 7: People out here got family and needs they got to take care of, like the directors and like the A list actors, and they good.

00:47:49
Speaker 3: They could they can sit back and they could take their trips, you know what I mean.

00:47:52
Speaker 7: I know it might affect them, but for the ones who are just now struggling that's trying to get on, man, that's motherfucker's out here getting.

00:47:57
Speaker 3: Sucked up, you know what I mean.

00:47:58
Speaker 7: I'm it's all bad, but I know again it ain't. It ain't the best. But I got collateral if I need to sell some of these rolextions if I need to.

00:48:07
Speaker 3: You know, this ain't nothing go that's just for I don't. I don't care about none of that stuff, you know.

00:48:15
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not a survive When you when you when you've been in the in the trenches, at the bottom of the bottom, you know what I mean, buying this ship. Just listen, I don't care about none of that ship man. That's all materials, cushion, you know what I mean. So ship, But I know we're supposed to get back rolling probably about hopefully.

00:48:32
Speaker 3: They saying about January, you know what I mean. And damn, that's still that's a long way. You know, it's a long way.

00:48:37
Speaker 7: But you know, you gotta you know, they offer a little bit of small assistance for teams. I can't speak of how they do with the actors and hearing that, you know what I mean.

00:48:44
Speaker 3: But they offer us a little a little help, a little incentives to just get us, you know, get us to get by. But it ain't like them three four thousand dollars checks coming every week, you know.

00:48:53
Speaker 1: Right, So what's the ultimate goal for you? Like, what's your next big win? You know what I'm saying.

00:48:59
Speaker 2: Obviously it's a win being free and changing everything around, But what's your next big win?

00:49:03
Speaker 7: Definitely, I'm in the process trying to get off parole. I just submitted a package to the pro board last weekend. Once I get off parole, I can start traveling more because you know, like traveling is like it's therapeutic to me, bro like just one of the different countries and just meet people from different backgrounds. So once I get off parole, you know, if I get off this hopefully, but then hopefully I should we hear something the next couple of months about getting off parole and then once I get off probation.

00:49:27
Speaker 3: But I want to travel. I want to get to these prisons and speak. I want to get to these juvenile facilities, go to Metroll, hit DC out here in the line, and start at these elementary schools, I mean not the elementary, the high schools and talk to them. It's it's a difference between sympathy and empathy home, you know what I mean.

00:49:39
Speaker 7: Like so when you when you've been through it, you could get a nigga to get up here and talk way and never been through the system and everything. They probably have some family members, but nigga, when you've been through it, Nigga, that's my passion. I get up here and I can speak about this shit all day because it's like nigga, I want to say the next month, but I might not be able to get them all homie. But I get out there and you put me around the worst of the worst little niggas, and I'm gonna go out there and speak and tell them what it is home. You don't like if you get an opportunity, get in and get out. If you don't, that's what you're gonna get in. Because I ain't gonna say don't do it. I'm gonna just say I ain't gonna shagarcoat it like nigga get in cause some people in a situation, that's what they gotta do right now, you know what I mean. But I'm gonna just try to give him the real deal, you know what I mean. Like I got a little boy, a little youngsters I was mentoring. Man, he locked up right now. But it's like his environment. He comes from the he come from the trenches, my nigga.

00:50:21
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

00:50:22
Speaker 7: Five brothers and sisters, you know what I mean. I want two bedroom apartment. And when I left the streets, I had him under my wing.

00:50:27
Speaker 3: I used to look out for him. When I left, I kind of lost him in the system, you know what I mean. So my my end game, man, just get out here and speak and if you guys got something going, y'all need me to help him?

00:50:36
Speaker 7: Come talk to somebody. Man, I'll do it anytime. I'll show up anytime.

00:50:39
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna let you come to the schools on parole and shit, now you.

00:50:42
Speaker 3: Could get by, but they gotta it's a process. You gotta go through it.

00:50:44
Speaker 7: I'm trying to go speak at metroll Hite DC right now, and they say they gotta go.

00:50:48
Speaker 3: You know. It's just like waivers and stuff you gotta sign.

00:50:50
Speaker 1: But I speak.

00:50:50
Speaker 7: I speak over at the Atlanta Refuge, you know, the City of Refuge over here.

00:50:54
Speaker 3: I go there and speak to some of them brothers making transitions, you know what I mean. And you know I remember loom other mirror. We do a lot of speaking, We go around and do a lot of streaking. He got parole though.

00:51:03
Speaker 5: So yeah, that process is like their process is very tedious because I do like I've been going. I started doing that last year too, like going into the jails, and you know, like the schools aren't really as tedious as it is like when you're going into the correctional facilities. But once you get past that, like you can pretty much go anywhere and do anything and like really get in there and make a difference for real.

00:51:26
Speaker 3: But you know that, you know they pay, they pay. Now it's all kind of grunted when you go out here and get money on me, like to really go speak in these prisons.

00:51:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, school too, Yeah yeah, school, bank too.

00:51:35
Speaker 3: And somebody told me like, man, Stack, don't go, don't don't.

00:51:38
Speaker 8: Speak for free, you know, But it's like my mindset fee free, Like could bring a fee, you know what I mean, Like I go up there, but everybody like Stack, they paying people, giving people grunts.

00:51:48
Speaker 6: No, but I mean you gotta like go like in the first got to start.

00:51:52
Speaker 5: And then once you're able to show that like Okay, this is what I'm able to do, and this is how I'm able to cap to may these kids or you know, these inmates or you know the community that's incarcerated or whatever, then you can demand you know what I'm saying, your worth basically.

00:52:10
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, And that's why I want you to let where'd you guys have a book?

00:52:15
Speaker 3: That's the thing that just passed. I saw, you know, brother Jeremy Anderson, and I know him and Eric Thomas.

00:52:21
Speaker 7: They be getting paid. They get paid a lot of money to speak to motivational speaks. I'm like, shit, ship, we could go up there and get like you know what I mean, We go and speak, but they have a different audience. But you know it's like but like again, it's sympathy and empathy. They speak that message, they motivate and they do a good job. I'm not knocking brothers, but we've been through it, you know what I mean. We know what it's likes real to get up here and speak and they cutting bake checks. So that's why I said, what you guys doing, man? Like this a lot of time, you guys just dropping so many jewels on here. Man, I'd be like, damn, that's a beautiful thing. So eventually, you know what I mean, I ain't got to approach about to do a couple of podcasts. So if I you know, if I get something going, man, I'm just you know, it's all about in life, we gotta became cheap the process.

00:53:00
Speaker 3: We gotta trust it. So I'm just trusting the process and showing up man, and staying consistent, you know what i mean.

00:53:06
Speaker 1: Read.

00:53:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, I read a lot. Yeah I read.

00:53:08
Speaker 1: If you could recommend one book that's like life changing for somebody, what would you recommend.

00:53:13
Speaker 3: Let me see my one book.

00:53:18
Speaker 7: It's a book out by I forgot the brother's name. It's called He's talking about Martin and Malcolm. I can't think of the name of it. It's uh, a dream and a nightmare or something like that.

00:53:33
Speaker 3: I want to say. I forgot the author's name, but I read it back in the pen.

00:53:36
Speaker 7: But it was like, you know, when Martin and Malcolm, you know what I mean, It's like talking about their lives I had combined.

00:53:43
Speaker 3: But I can't think of that name right now.

00:53:44
Speaker 7: Man, I can't think of it as a book somebody recommended to me when I was in the pen.

00:53:48
Speaker 1: I read it.

00:53:48
Speaker 3: It was life changing. It's a dream or a nightmare or something like that, but it's it's it's a it's a great read. I recommend anybody to read it.

00:53:54
Speaker 7: But I love I love reading about a person autobiography about their life, what they've been through, and you know, telling the story how they just came through adversity and made it out.

00:54:03
Speaker 3: You know what I mean By James come yeah, James, come yeah? What is a dream or not here.

00:54:08
Speaker 1: With Martin Malcolm? Yeah? An American? A dream or a nightmare? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

00:54:15
Speaker 7: So you know, they both played a major role in our in our lives, you know what I mean, because like right now, we ain't we ain't got no major leaders out here that story that's in position that's willing to die.

00:54:24
Speaker 3: For this ship, you know what I mean. Right, So we got we got work to do. It's our job. You know.

00:54:28
Speaker 7: You guys got platforms, you know what I mean, to go here and speak and you know, and blite people.

00:54:32
Speaker 3: Want to you know, really it's really ready to step up to the plate, you.

00:54:35
Speaker 7: Know what I mean, Like I ain't afraid to, you know, to speak, speak of mind.

00:54:39
Speaker 1: So you gotta be squeaky clean to do that ship. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

00:54:43
Speaker 4: You gotta be all the way clean and just jump out there like that because soon as you.

00:54:48
Speaker 1: Know, they they try to dig into you and find the worst. Yeah yeah, what do you call it?

00:54:54
Speaker 3: Uh the credit credit?

00:55:00
Speaker 4: They're going to discredit you by pulling up you know you probably did it before you became man.

00:55:05
Speaker 3: But you know what, I'm black.

00:55:06
Speaker 7: You know, you got to stand on what your stand on in life, you know what I mean, Like my past will make our past make us who we are, you know, what I mean. Like, you know, sometimes people wait till late in the game because I jump off the porch, Like, nigga, don't.

00:55:18
Speaker 3: Wait to you.

00:55:18
Speaker 7: It's just two later to jump out the game. But it make you who you are, a bill character, you know what I mean. Like I'm not a shame in my past. I'm not a shame with what I did in the past because it made me who I am, you know what I mean, from from banging to hustling to doing all I did, Homie, it shows you who you really are, you know what I mean, And you gotta still have that Like like Black, I know you. I've seen you grow, Homie, I seen you mature. I mean, you ain't who you used to be, but you still bite, you know what I mean. Like, you know you still bite, and it's like you just move different now and people respect your mind, you know what I mean, So you don't have to go back and be who you are.

00:55:50
Speaker 3: But you know, like, don't nigga, don't test me. That's still in me, Nigga, you know what I mean.

00:55:53
Speaker 7: But it's like when you get older, you get wiser, bro, and it's like the decisions you make you can't know. It's consequences now, you know what I mean, Like damn okay, if I do this, you got to think about the consequence. So now in the penitentiary, a nigga call you a punk, call you fact.

00:56:07
Speaker 1: You gotta whoop.

00:56:08
Speaker 7: Niggas ask you know what I mean, nigga, nigga can't try you in there now.

00:56:15
Speaker 6: Some real ship.

00:56:18
Speaker 3: Yeah here, you got a nigga you gotta pass nigga because you ain't gonna take it. I'm gonnake it to So nigga you got you know, I mean, just so buch your hands on me, my nigga.

00:56:25
Speaker 7: So it's about maturity now the old Yeah, come on home, let's let's take this one.

00:56:30
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. But now it's like, nigga, you got that, you know what I mean, Like, nigga, I got I got stuff to left for it. Now, nigga, you so you still in the so a lot of people stuck homey and they look at.

00:56:39
Speaker 1: You where you used to be. You know what I mean.

00:56:40
Speaker 7: I'm pretty people probably still look at you like, oh the old black you know, I do take you know what I mean. There's another you know, it's like they don't see the elevation and growth of maturity, you.

00:56:49
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

00:56:49
Speaker 7: So it's like, Homie, I'm just thinkingful home every day, scream on some real ship.

00:56:54
Speaker 4: And everything extra every day extra man, every breath I take after after saying this is extra.

00:57:01
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah man, salute to you man. We appreciate you. On social media, so they want to catch up with what you got going on.

00:57:10
Speaker 3: They can hit black.

00:57:11
Speaker 6: They get.

00:57:14
Speaker 7: If it's something, if it's something important, you know what I mean. Like, you know what I mean, But eventually I'm gonna get you. I'm gaet tapped in with social media. Hom I just got a lot of work to do out here. You know, I got work to do, and I feel like I don't. I'm not saying social media on knock me off my square, but distraction.

00:57:27
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so don't get you back on. Yeah, appreciate real.

00:57:31
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is real. This is you know, Yeah, you got a part to else smoking you know what I mean. I don't know which always, I appreciate.

00:57:44
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