Kenya Barris drops GEMS on Black Hollywood, his new Jerry West doc, ‘Black-ish’ legacy & snitching in hip hop culture

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm so proud of like Ryan and Asa and you know, Antoina, because I feel like the more we can succeed and do it on the level that is unquestionably excellent, the more that it makes room for other people to come up behind us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, what up, Y'all's Coca the dog Coca? You know it is your boy for the Noes Knucker.

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Speaker 3: Show Man, every show legendary, every show iconic. This one is so iconic. She shit calls for the time for it, you know what I mean. Always talking about Thomas's he's talking about eyes in sight and losing sight and things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: But on a real serious tip, when.

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Speaker 3: You think of today's guests, you think about somebody who really changed the game, not just in Hollywood, but in the culture.

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Speaker 2: This is a man who looked at television.

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Speaker 3: And said, I don't see us, and then built the empire making sure we were seen. From Blackish, the Girl's Trips, the Black Ass Fit.

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Speaker 2: Everything he touches turns into gold. I say, platinum backs me.

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Speaker 3: And now he's stepping behind the lens as a director to tell the story of one of basketball's greatest icons. On top of all of that, he's working with my brother on something very special. I mean, ladies and gentleman, thanks some noise.

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Speaker 2: For the one and only can you batteran young kid? Embarrass You got that ship on this usual the whole way pull over. You gotta one only closets that.

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Speaker 3: I'm jealous And it probably was just not even his real close his Hollywood closet was.

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Speaker 2: It was the person of his real closet, but it was incorrect. Let me explain, Sunny. I still feel a little bit something just the guy who beat me to it. Never I'm telling you when I saw black as fuck and he just felt like you was just they gave you an excuse to throw that ship on. It was a fastest show. And I said, if I'm on TV or something, I'm doing that same ship. We've been coming up on this show. We even throwing that ship on. These niggas's dizzy. You know before we came, they were wearing the DA suit, just black piece. We up on here boat take on type of shit Earn mass Slewie ship and he and you get every day would never run out and never run out. You wear him. It's a throwaway. Not for me. You're double up man, said we never want nothing twice this time when you wear it on the show where you wear it out? Fuck yeah, really well, you know now I don't go to the clubs no more. I'm on so I use the nick Game as the club. If you ever wanted to know that's hard, I'm telling you that's why you Let me tell you that's how you stay. I used to sell drugs to impress the nay. So I'm sitting on the couch with the ice on the This the new. You know, you get the width to just drive around Harlem, and now we nationally syndicated. I go to the Nick Game like I'm not the fucking be out. I'm so fucking fresh. Let me tell you something. You know, it's some ship when you see the leather and it just can't crumble, like that ship just too neat. Like I don't know what he got on, but he got some ship on. I go the game like it's a fucking club. I'm going there. Just ain't no girls there. Madison is great. Diamond lights too, make some dance. Last night they said some ship. They said Joe got that bling bling on. He got them diamonds on the ship. I say, yeah, you know, it's what we don't. You know what I'm saying, that's how we paralyzed the situation. But my point is blackness. Fuck, I'm watching every episode. I swear to God. My stylist to well, I called them every episode. I said, Yoda sting and got that ship on Nigga like he is not fucking playing with them. That was conscious.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah, man, Now, yeah, I got one chance. I'm a fat writer. I get a chance to be on TV. I'm at least put some shit on. I just come on.

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Speaker 2: And then you was telling us off here that that was your actual crib that they turned in to the set. Yeah, that's that's craze.

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Speaker 1: And then we had to go from the set from my prayer in the morning, sleep, get in the car, and then get out the car and walk back on my I'd be like, this is crazy, this is blowing my mind.

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Speaker 2: I forget sometime we would do that. I'm tired, you know. I did Night School the movie, and Kevin Hard kept fucking with me because is this every actor or like, my scene would be a ten at night, but they come get me a six in the morning. The prep for TV is much different. I'm waiting all fucking day, didn't they tapped me. I get home one in the morning, I'm up at six in the morning, and I'm just sitting there till like nine at night. And then like, all right, Joe, you're scene. Andy Kevin Hart used to catch me sleeping all day and be like, Yo, this ain't the fucking studio. You can't sleep, this is what And I'm like, damn. I felt like, you know, like, is it like that for everybody? Or no? Look at that? So if you will Smith, you're coming up in there nine am, Samuel Jackson.

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Speaker 1: I mean even you shouldn't the real cavil tell you, like, you should be scheduled. You should know where your day falls. I never did it five hours off. I never did it again nine am to one am. Like that's unless you're working all day. That's different.

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Speaker 2: But you shouldn't have to sit around that what he doesn't do that? Now? That was a while shout out to them. I was one hundred opportunity. So he's showing me love and giving me that opportunity, but never again pimping, pimp my Rideigga, the biggis like Joe ten that night, come on, I'm like Yo, these niggas, I'm eating a beef jerkey, Like, Yo, this ship crazy gonna We're gonna bring you out of retirement. But you know what else for what we're working with, We got a show called the Book Joseld Brothers, and that's gonna just bring that whole eighties nineties New York. That'sh's gonna be crazy, Like it's gonna be nuts.

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Speaker 1: It's it is. It's it's not just your story, it's it's you're the no like the forest gonna hip hop, like the idea of like all the moments that you've been there, you know what I'm saying. My favorite part is the you know, the moment that you saw punt in the crowd, Like that's when the books are like in that crowdate apartment, you know what I'm saying, Like and you see something that nobody else and you're like, this is gonna like that. I was like, when we I get to get a chance to do that, have that moment, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But you do that with with all your movies or your you know, when you take a chance for somebody or you see a guy that writes yeah, you're like all right. I think he could be, you know, because you're putting your career, your word, your everything.

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Speaker 1: On the line on the You know, when you see something and if you're smart, you get singe you with it. You know what I'm saying, because you're like, if you see something, you're like, yo, we can help each other. But I know I'm saying, like, this is something special, try to try to bring it out. But like make sure that you keep that you know those people close to you, I think people and you know, and make sure that they get taken care of them too. I think that's important.

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Speaker 2: If you can. Everybody got to eat, That's what that's that's the whole you know, my mentor jail righty girl, billionaire and nothing. He taught me everything about business and his philosophy or ideology was everybody got it eat if he he what he did not feel good if everybody in the team wasn't eating. And he taught me different. Because I've come from a crabs in a barrel mentality out the bronx. I come in there, I'm the kid, I'm the leader. You know, He's come through me. Then a trick who down, you know what I mean? But after I fucked with him. I realize everybody gotta eat. So now you come to my sneaker store, they look like they're selling dope. They got fucking Ben's trucks out there. Rolexes Range Rovers stated in the art like everybody gotta eat. No, everybody gotta eat. But it reflects on you when your team is living good and they're doing great, you know some guys. You know what fucks me up is when people don't see the blessings of being down and they get that entitlement and they think, you know, the lights can't be turned off, right.

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Speaker 1: But everybody gotta cook though, and everybody gotta eat. Everybody gotta cook to And I think that's the problem sometimes everybody. You sometimes feel like today you get around people and they feel like, you know, you want everybody, but everybody gotta be a part of it. And everybody you can't just you know, expected to just fall off. People's put your plate on the air. What I'm saying, I think everybody else. Why the crews that I really respect and I see them come up. Everybody has a lane, you know what I'm saying. And when you start figuring out what everybody's laying is everybody is not gonna fit on the freeway seriously, and sometimes you got to I've gotten older, and I realize sometime now that you got to, you know, be like your crew only can have a certain amount of lanes in it. Of your other people, you really can be like I can. I can take care of you, you know what I'm saying. We can take care of each other. And then those people got to have they people. But I feel like I think that's a problem with us a little bit sometimes that we and.

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Speaker 2: People around us sometimes just feel entitled because we all came up together. But like you want everybody to win.

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Speaker 1: But the whole thing is that the proximity of being around you, being around Jada, like that's a winn in itself.

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Speaker 2: And don't understand that.

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Speaker 1: And I think the people slow for the people in the half when I look and I look and I look and I look at the crews that I love, and I look and I see the bron Is Clue and his group. Like people have jobs, you know what I'm saying, You and your people have jobs.

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Speaker 2: People I think that they do.

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Speaker 1: And there's not that whole era of people just be around to be around that.

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Speaker 3: You always talk about that on this show. Coming in the game early, you tend to you think it's cool to want to break everybody till you learn financially, mentally, spiritually, judicially you had it up the head with bills and lawyers and just taking in a big aunt of rage turns into three maybe three or four.

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Speaker 2: That's enough, and that's my circle was so small. It's like a fucking period. I can't even fits I was supposed to be and you got still got your crew, the people people.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like the problem is that people feel like that they're just they just should have you know what I'm saying. I feel like that causes for sent It causes contempt, and that energy is toxic.

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Speaker 3: Fort the family member. Oh no, I got it. I gotta I got a crazy Joe moment before you Okay, because I've seen you back me up talking about we baited cel smooth. I don't like almost turned that into youth.

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Speaker 2: We got the big dog here it.

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Speaker 2: Pete Rock here, Pete Rocket, everybody. So I asked, you.

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Speaker 2: I begged Cel Smooth and Pete Rock to get back together. They couldn't see out. So Pete Rock comes up here and I ask him what was the fallout? So that some guy in the podcast, God bless him. Uh, he's interviewing Sel Smooth. So Pete Rock said he was jealous of him or some ship. I didn't tell Pete Rock this, nobody did. It wasn't no cute cards said out of his came out of him. I'm gonna tell you something to your opinion, right to double down on what you said. The same guy he tells Smooth, y'all feel like fat Joe baited Pete Rocket. Not true. I didn't know what he was going to say. That same guy after he said that. His next question was like, so did p Rock fuck you girl? Did he smash your sister? Did he what happened? I'm like, Yo, you baiting the man talking about bait and he doing the baiting.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the world that we live, right, I just was happening in this conversation, and it's crazy. I remember my and I remember when Jay dropped a lri My dadd had said it to me. You know, the kid skilled on the block I had darted on had a mongoose, and I know you know that I had a huffy and I wanted I was like saying someone like my dad was like come here. He was like where during eat? Don't make you ship? And I was like okay. Then when Jay said look, I remember it was copped back up.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: I went back in the house talking to my great grandma and I was like, she's like, what's wrong. I was like, Daddy custom me and She's like, what's wrong. I was like, I told her what he said. She was like, you know what he meant by man? And she was like now it was hungry and he are you gonna have to use a bathroom later? And so I was like no, She's like, so, then why do you care about what? And I was like, and I'm telling you and I put this on my children off my life is I'm not trying to I have a lot of fun. This is I have never been jealous of a person in my entire I've been envious. I've been envious. I've looked at I love Ryan Coogler. I've looked at Ryan Coougier's career and be like, oh I wish I had, like I love it, but I celebrate him. Jealousy is when you see somebody who you would love to have something to be like, but you you let the take away from that first stated that, yes, you, I've never been jealous of a person in my entire life. And when I used to hear people in high school girls be like, she's she's jealous, I was like, should I R jealous?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Just sounds stupid, like I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I didn't understand it when people saying And now as I got older, I started for the first time realizing that jealousy was a real, real, real emotion.

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Speaker 2: Back to what I was going to say before. Y'all had two albums, one's called Jealous, ones Envy, Joe and jealous one still envy. And one of the most dangerous things you can have in your life is a family member or a so called friend that athourized. It's actually jealous of you. If you believe that one of your friends of family members is one percent one I'm not saying a hundred one percent jealous of you. You got to get rid of them because it's a disease. And they sitting there and they're like, and you, You're trying to be nice bringing them to places with you. I brought gods to Madison Square Guard and I'm performing there on the side looking at me, and I knew they was jealous. It's the worst em that's a person move. It's an old person move. I don't have nobody around me that I feel is jealous. If I feel you jealous, you're gone. I don't care if you're a family member, I don't think which.

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Speaker 1: You have to be, because it's like somebody on dope. They can't get rid of you, know what I'm saying, and that stop.

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Speaker 2: Once they get on that road changed. I don't even know how it happens. And so with me, one of the biggest believe it or not, One of the biggest problems I ever had was getting down with rock Nation, right because automatically they think I know jay Z. When I tell you, the dumbest dude you've ever seen in your life, the most illiterate, you know friends that you you know, you know, the i Q is like a peanut, yo, when you're gonna set up the meeting with me and jay Z, and I'm looking at him like, Yo, bro, what are you talking about? You ain't even sell an orange on the fuck You ain't never meeting jay Z. You think I'm let me tell you something. I'll tell your story. I did it one time. I did it one time under Donald. But listen, Superstar Rapper wants to meet the Powers to Be. It's the only person on the earth I introduced to the Powers to Be. They get him a situation, hook him up. The man don't want to pay. I was mind bogg I was just I never look at this guy the same no more. I see him and I just like and I'm I'm like and when they say yo, so can I ask a couple questions? You know how? Jay Z says it. He says, yo, so what your man? That's my man? Now? No, it's hip hop's man chase your hips off man met the man's hip hop man, Jose, I'm trying to look up.

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Speaker 1: No, it's my man who didn't pay. So let me ask a question. Was it clearly expressed?

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Speaker 2: Of course? Business is business. You're trying to get something done you can't do on your own. They put you in the right place, you get it done, and then you don't want to pay, Like come on, like now, I can't even respect you as a man. Not only that I have ever brought a person into this building talking about YO, great guy, this style. I'm like, wow, I can't he know? And well, who perhaps something for the nose? You know, Ken, you let me tell you something. Man. So they make you to be like, uh what you are, But they make you to be like the voice of black people with a baron Tyler Perry.

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Speaker 1: It's a great position to be instead of a voice, though not the part is the part that hurts. We need if I'm of voice. But I feel like the part is the part that causes problems.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's got your name in their mouth of pause right now. But everybody's say, yo, I know, can you bearish? Can you bearish? Just gonna do. I'm just like word, I just hut my head down there. Can'st the dudes or type of dudes y'all, I know, can your parish? He said. I mean like, and they just expect so much from you, set a high standing. I just keep my head down there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I I love being able to do what we do. You know what I'm saying, Like it's a blessing. I know every day you wake up and you're like, yo, like I never thought this was possible. You know what I'm saying, Like some of the stuff we you know, I see saying I still remember dreaming about the things I do today. What I'm saying like I never thought it was possible. But I think the blessing in the curse is that they need more of us, you know what I'm saying. And I feel like the idea that the few of us that there is makes it harder one. Anything you do gets blasted immediately. Anything anybody says, it's immediately true. You know, I'm saying, anything that that you do is put it under the microscope in a different kind of way. That's why I'm so proud of like Ryan and Asa and you know, Anchoina, because I feel like the more we can succeed and do it on the level that is unquestionably excellent, the more that it makes room.

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Speaker 2: For other people to come up behind us. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: The more you get to spread your wings, you're not under such a you know, a light microscope. You get to spread your wings when everybody's watching everything you do. It makes it a lot harder. And it's just not a lot of you know, writer, director, you know what I'm saying. It's just not enough.

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Speaker 2: I want to be in the illuminati. Two me too. Next time you have a meeting building. Not true, That's what they are come. You know, when you see big Bunny, look at this guy, Look at this guy, This guy looks at twenty two. He just something about that that level of bag that they.

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Speaker 2: You know I'm about I'm fucking with them pep tizes. I think it's I'm fucking with the If y'all want to know what Luminat is talking about talking about that's read it gets you better than read it to a top. Tell me about what's the pepsize? Well, you know I'm diabetic. I've been diabetics to some mom well twelve, Hey, yo, you fucking when I didn't know? I have five boys? Don't fuck with me. We have shot out here? Does I mean? Mother? Fun? We've been around each other too long, you know everything. The point is it came out here. I remember the day you came back from lunch. Yeah, oh no, no, no, but you know, but in any case, right now, you see everybody with weight loss stuff. The weight loss stuff was a side effect two diabetes. That was diabetes mess medicine. And by the way they figured out long you gonna lose Wait like ozan picking all these things. But that's that's the two G. I take the triple G. The third G is the gorilla that bread and to it tr that bred to get you better. You see my cheek bones and all that ship. What is it? Because I've heard people it make you young, it make you good. I did, but did not do my sugar to test that. It wasn't my ship, Ain' one. My ship was out of my ship and make you the best. If you want to know what it is, let me tell you. Somebody tell you some if we talked about, yeah, going to the gym, let me tell you about some other shit. Listen, Autism Awareness month, right, you know my son Joey on the spectrum. Right. Let me tell you what I've been doing. Parents. It's very very expensive, but I get my son to stem cells every six months. It's very very very expensive. If you could afford it change his life. Joey now tries to walk. Joey even tries to dobor day, he called the lady Padi like he never said nobody's name in his life. Oh my god, Like he never walked. He never. My son is non verbal nothing, He's doing shit. He get up and start dancing like stem celp. I've been giving it to him for two years, every six months. He just the reason why I remember because he just had his dose today. It's very expensive, but it will change your kid's life if you got it.

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Speaker 1: Get it, Yeah, I gotta It's interesting. I've seen you with Joey. I've seen and your relationship to your family is.

00:28:19
Speaker 2: Enviewable.

00:28:20
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The idea of how you I call you like my mom right here. Joey's like, I remember you not when I was going through the worse. You told me you like.

00:28:29
Speaker 2: Get your wife back.

00:28:30
Speaker 1: You're like, you're gonna walk in the club a Lakers, gonna be cupping her ass.

00:28:37
Speaker 2: That's what you gotta do. You're like, you're gonna if your wife somebody, that's what you gotta do. You gotta say to yourself, Okay, yeah, this plenty Fishency. You know how about from us Tom and Ass. He makes gass.

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Speaker 5: Looks small you walking club lift, She on the couch, she was all ways you allway. You put the fucking ship on the Instagram room, you put the shade room.

00:29:11
Speaker 2: Fuck guys outside, fucking all these girls. When fucking Steve dol.

00:29:19
Speaker 6: Dory from the Pistols come in with your girls?

00:29:25
Speaker 2: What's the guy? What's the guy from the next cool guy?

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Speaker 7: He never plays Dotty hair when Dotty has boil Deal Wallace, Ben Wallace, j Wallace, Ben Wallace sssession.

00:29:38
Speaker 6: Big James Olden, pumped over with your girl. The Davis Brothers. Yo, Now Devil's advocate. One of my friends was, let me tell you something, one of the.

00:29:54
Speaker 2: Devil's advocates, This Devil's advocate, one of my taking up with it his wife. Okay, right, and now this might be no, he was breaking up with his wife. And for all the wives that no, Fat Joe, I'm the guy that will talk you. Look what you did. You said you was going through a divorce. What I said, get your wife back. Brother. You don't wonder, but I do that to everybody. I don't know that situation I'm the guy who talks the guy into staying with him, life.

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Speaker 3: Him at a good time. Everything is tim and inserting things. When I tell my one, I know for a fact, you can't fix this. If somebody come home in oldest stork shoes that loogy ones, you can't. Will you fix?

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Speaker 2: It's over? He's no fixed. So timing is over walking in your house. And then nigga got the loafer sneaker? You say, tho, Yoe, you've seen that loafer? Yoe? You're a fashionable Joe? Can you're a fashionable guy? Would you ever wear loafer? It's a leagal, it's a loafer, a sneaking. We call it a leaker. Where's the dollar in the room? Yo? Why you ain't burn them ships already? Oh my god? Can you get that? What with the with the cuff over them? They're cool?

00:31:32
Speaker 1: But when it comes up a little bit, it's a little you know, I meant with them.

00:31:39
Speaker 2: I like the shape of it. Yeah, you gave him the best tomsp limit of all time. They looked like Batchel.

00:31:48
Speaker 3: Listen, you asked me that ship is horrible?

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Speaker 2: So what the fuck I was talking about? Just before that? Your friend breaking up your friends, all my friends breaking up with his wife. Joe, come over here, this this that I go over there, Yo, you've been with your wife's high school. This this that? I said, Yo, are you sure? I'm sure? Joe. Well, if you walk in club Live and the lied you on is cuffing your wife's ass on the couch, he said, what if I call her sucking your dick? I still would and give a fuck? I said, Oh no, he's the boy he was. He's done deal workers the walk because my ship usually worked because I'm a storyteller, so I vision I put you in the plass. Yo, listen, I know this is funny. Games. Do you think this ship is cool? But when you see her? He said, I don't give fuck about he serious? Yeah, he left eighteen years later. You gotta buy him. She stopped. Yeah, because he's just.

00:33:04
Speaker 8: You.

00:33:04
Speaker 2: Try to hit him with the visualize He doubled.

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Speaker 5: Jim.

00:33:08
Speaker 2: He told me that's nothing with you. Tom. Detrimental happened?

00:33:14
Speaker 7: Whoa she did?

00:33:17
Speaker 2: It was way worse than you. Where's the envelope? Told him you are not the father. Hit him with that happens, that'll do it. That man said, your Kenya the man Mury povis. I asked him, right, because we all know what's a moment in our life that you know we know? Right? Like so you asked me, Joe, what's your favorite verse ever? Saying, well with big l uh that you know we know? Maury, what's your most episode that change your life? He said, the woman had twins. That was selling the guy he's the father when they've seen the result, he is the father of one twin? Is this google?

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Speaker 8: Then?

00:34:10
Speaker 2: When I started this, that's really fact? Huhoski he was the father of what what they was bumping heads? Yo? This ship is crazy. He was the father one and somebody else is the father the other baby. It is possible to have twins with two different fathers. Yes, no, I got no fraternal and identical, that's no, that's the wrong term. Fraternal. Fraternal means they don't look the same brothers twins. It's called hetero paternal, hetero fraternal. She was fucking everybody back to back, back the back. Really that ship was maybe that was her perfection? Oh my god, two lovers. This is not the father. Yo. Okay, what's do battle off screen? Y? Okay? Twins? One of them is the father the other nah.

00:35:23
Speaker 3: That ship, and that you might as well just let the other nigga have the other nigga. We beat that eighteen years child support. Doesn't winning eight get there first? Just charged the other one to him too. What about the basketball player? He gave the girl a flat deal. She spent that minute, was paid for the whole. He's the eighteen flat dish marked Jesus about Joe. I found sit under the pillow, Joe. This guy's making all type of money. Now he to hear it that he hit that one shot deal. When to take call, everything must go. She took them a million dollars. I ran out that bitch. I was crazy. It was such a such a battle here.

00:36:13
Speaker 1: It was like a week of people fresh from a fresh out of law school just taking that's no money.

00:36:19
Speaker 2: Been good for him, I tell you, Sometimes it work against him. No, No, sometimes work against him. I walk in the club one time, this girl, I don't know her name, but she was around in Miami like she was a beautiful girl, but she was out, let's say, seven days a week forever, and she ran up to me and she was pregnant. She was like, look, I'm in the club. She said, your brother and she told me who. No, No, I might to get sued me on a different level right now, but she told me who. And the fucking bitch went and sat by the ball over there and was looking at me the whole night light. I got him. Well, she ain't no way that nigga went broke around that time, bankruptcy legend, the best of ever. She sticking over there. I said, damn, I just loan that nigga twenty thousand. I said, she's done. She don't even know. She thought she was in for this, she said, got him. She was in for section eight. Man, I've been around a long time. Can you is gone? She told me, got him? Your friend? Your brother is sat by the bar, and I was watching it the whole night. I was like, cause she was like, why is she out a seductive She was one of them. But listen, I'm looking at her the whole night, right, I'm like this, you know, I don't. I don't, yeah, ah nothing, I'm just fuck yeah, sput up. I'm looking at her. And I said, man, little did she know the rainbow. I don't think she got paid to this day. That shit was about twenty years ago. I don't think she made it dollars. Let me hear about what to us about the logo. I got a chance to.

00:38:32
Speaker 1: Meet and tell the story of the logo fact like it really and I went into it and be completely honest, not even thinking he would, you know, I just I was going to get the chance to meet it. Did not any way, shape or form think he would let me do it. And you know when you sometimes you go around white people and you know immediately they're comfortable. There's a certain energy.

00:38:55
Speaker 2: He has that energy. You know what I'm saying.

00:38:56
Speaker 1: He had that energy like you knew immediately he was super comfortable. And also he had a bullshit to take it. You know what I'm saying. Some people are talking to you know when they've been around and we just hit it off. And when they com me and said I you know I could do it, I really was like I got nervous because I was like, oh, this is this means something, especially after you read his book, because his book is so honest about the life that he had and he was there before the NBA was with the NBA Black and white. I'm saying, Dave Bobus, I'm saying all the way through till now, that's why so many people showed up and say yes. And I, you know, for me, it was telling the story more than basketball, telling the story of more than a man, telling a story about somebody who was an icon and who I learned a lot from, who I became a family, and I for me, the story that like when I met m J. I had never met him JA before. I wanted to, you know, and I want to literally nervous whatever, and to see him walking. He has an aura, you know what I'm saying about. He has or walks in. You almost can hear him walk in. You know what I'm saying. Something feels different in the room, like the temperature, you know what I'm saying. He comes in, he sits down, It's all there. The moment he started talking about Jerry, though, it changed for him, like he changed from usually you know, he talked about his experiences and he has that same about her, But now he's talking about somebody that he looked up to. And j told me Doctor Jay was desired. He told me that. And when he talked to me, he spoke about him differently, you know what I'm saying.

00:40:31
Speaker 2: And he talked.

00:40:33
Speaker 1: He felt, he said he felt like the NBA. The trinity for him was Jerry, Mike, Kobe, and Jerry basically said the same thing. He said, they all three of them, may they're all friends. They are talking in exchange, you know, texting, And he said they all have the same thing, that they would die on the court if they had it.

00:40:53
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That was that they had that cold blooded, just killer mentality.

00:40:58
Speaker 1: And I think that was that interview changed and pivoted for me how I wanted this to be because I was like, some the dude, who's the dude has this kind of respect for him? And I wanted to make it more than about basketball, and I started like getting into and Jay was really up on like mental health. I'm saying, like his own mental health and our men, our mental health. We often don't examine it in a certain way because we're supposed to have a certain demeanor. We're supposed to keep stuck, You're supposed to sort of be a certain way, and that doesn't always let in that part of you that allows you to sort of be vulnerable, allows you to be sort of like I need help. I'm not you know, saying like it's so. And I think that that was was a big part of his life. I think it was a big part of like what his family had to deal with and what he had to do with you know what I'm saying.

00:41:44
Speaker 2: So it just it was.

00:41:46
Speaker 1: It was a crazy four years to do. It was a crazy journey, and it made me really respect documentary filmmakers because they have to do it in reverse. You say this what your documentary is going to be. But truthfully, if you really want to do it, good job. If I did, either of you got stories. I would not be able to go into it saying what it's gonna be. I would have an idea of what I thought I wanted to be. But then I talked to people, and I hang out with you and we talk and I see things. It kind of tells you what it's gonna be. And your job is to build a back.

00:42:16
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy? You were started with a sky rizzy moment because I gotta go use the bathroom right now. The documentary to start with the sky rizzier old man break, but give me two minutes skyrazy? Is it a beautiful bill with a story to tell? The twelve was hilarious. I was like, is it really twelve? He wasn't twelve.

00:42:46
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if it was even twelve or thirteen or fourteen. That's he said it so much, that's fucking I know the number.

00:42:54
Speaker 3: I've been diapatic since I was about twelve, Right, twelve twelve.

00:43:03
Speaker 9: Listen.

00:43:04
Speaker 2: That's all I do is listen. I become a professional avid listening with this new gig. Right, how are you liking him? I love it? It's fun. Is it different?

00:43:15
Speaker 3: Definitely different. I think we The dynamic works for us because it's like it's like Yan and Yang freaking frack. The age gap that's not too far apart makes it perfect too, because I actually grew up looking at him. But then we actually got some contemporary time being in the game together.

00:43:43
Speaker 2: With some of the same things. You know, what made y'all want to do this? Was there a moment y'all hanging out, we should we should do this now.

00:43:52
Speaker 3: A few years back they had the Rock Team. We had a few meetings to do something and it fell through, and then out of nowhere, I got volume came back like, yo, you're interested in creating show with Joe and Jaylen, And we was with it because we.

00:44:10
Speaker 2: Was already gonna do job. John something together before. No, we never did know any work.

00:44:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, he asked me how they know it would worked? They thought it wasn't gonna work. Work dish, They counted us out. He goes, are we rolling?

00:44:28
Speaker 4: What?

00:44:29
Speaker 2: You have to fix it out? Now? I'm trying to explain something. You're messing up the angle. What I'm saying, I gotta show you no what I didn't have so much swag said that. I want to thank you. This motherfucker. He's been a sugar here we've been today. What we're talking about? Could we talk about logo? Talk about the logo Joe and Java? He asked us. I know, but you saying earlier than his swag was crazy? Did you talk? He asked us? How did we get to head with me and you? And then people thought I was not.

00:45:15
Speaker 8: Here when I left two nicess, listen why you went on your sky Rizzie, But most me and my brother was chopping it up.

00:45:28
Speaker 2: He said, Yo, how did how did y'all even get a show? What made y'all get together? Da? Da da? And how did y'all how did they know it was gonna work? He didn't think it. He's top five dead or alive still actually I'm trying to tell him what he's actually there, actually are human beings walking around thinking that he's top five wrap up all time, right, So he comes with a whole different type of authenticity and aura around it. Me on the gout that on, admit, but I hit fucking hits out. I'm fucking big poppy or teas. I go in there, I clean them fucking bases, bases loaded. I smacked the ship out the park all the time. But they don't want to give it up. They never give nothing up to me, kidding you nothing. I just win all the time. Everything's number one, you get your We're number one all the time. I you think I give a fuck I walked in with that shit, nor even on first different car. I don't give off fuck. I don't care, can you I don't give you think I don't know. They always do our top five fashionable rappers. These thinkers can't wash my socks. They make this list. I'm like, they must not know that jacket I had on that night right next to him with thirty seven thousand, Fuck out of here with that till you want me to convince me I'm not a Are you you know how high my ceilings is in the crib. That shit crazy for the kid out of here.

00:47:09
Speaker 9: So I go like that, he said, We go right, Joe and jadasshow dot com we got new first fresh off the press. Go get it big out of big bomb, going jadasshow dot com you can get these little cole for a T shirt.

00:47:31
Speaker 2: Widow it exact. I need an extra lodge showing jadashow dot com, Go there and get it. I think by now they exaggerated the numbers. So the numbers they were saying everybody who had a podcast, it was like, just got fifty million honey, like they made money. They were the first to the gold rush. But the numbers are little exaggerated. There's great money. But because we smashing them like so we I know I'm in the algorithm of the money. We're there right, so so I pretty much know what these guys could be making or not, like you know, because I know the numbers. So these guys are not like us. Unless you got kidnapped in Africa, unless you performed in the first I told you what happened. I just told him. Unless you got unless you perform in the Vivela in Brazil where they just killed sixty nine cops the day before there where you're performing, unless you perform in the club in Brooklyn where a guy you don't know if the promoter is gonna pay you or he got three German shepherds. You ain't did this ship. Sorry. And the worst night mare ever was when somebody, another podcaster who was the King or whatever, turned on that YouTube and.

00:49:15
Speaker 10: Said, Jesus Christ, they gave this nigga a microphone and then Jada little boy little warming up.

00:49:25
Speaker 2: He's doing this face you expressions. He's bringing this. They like, holy shit, these niggas like the odd couple. They going crazy. We going crazy. Let me tell you something. I'll tell you something. I admit to something. So we gotta deal with Netflix. The other day I went and you know how they put episodes and more. I don't know if you got yo bro every day. If it ain't Cardi b it's doctor j it ain't calling Kenya barrass If it ain't him, it's this one, is that one? This fucking the young Miami nigga. This ship is insanity. What we're doing up here. This ain't normal ship. This ain't normal ship. You can't take that. I'm not delirious. This ship. It ain't normal. If you look, I dare you when you go to the hotel, you go to that place. Look at the episodes and more John Legugano, this one, that one, this, this, this. I don't even know because we just come to work. We get paid to doe. I love to do. He don't like to don't ship like me, but I love it. I am a ship talker. You know they used to come to kill me. Can you embarrassed? Man? I gotta give it to you. You know you're a real one. But I'm gonna tell you. They used to come kill me. They kill me. I got up here. It used to come kill them. They had every reason to kill me, every fucking reason to kill me. I did deserved it, is what I'm trying to tell you. And when they come, come on, we're all Puerto Rican, we party. Why would you want to kill me? They got the gun in my face like this, I deserve it. Come on, I don't work. Get decided.

00:51:17
Speaker 7: You know this this.

00:51:19
Speaker 2: I get the fuck out of there every time. So you're gonna put Fat Joe up in here to tell a story and we the realist in the game. You guys are done. Everybody had the pack they ship up and pull out the white flag. You think. I don't know. And there's one thing I don't respect, and the ain't a personal shot because Jada does. Right. I don't respect that. You've been hotter hot for ten years and we did we only did one year. We're number one now. I don't want to hear last year Ryan Cooger, have seen you shot him out four or five times? Why he the hottest nigga? Now he's been the hottest. No, he's the hottest now in recent award memory, Billy ever, his hardware is now. Bro, don't talk about these old niggas that had to be the same niggas the right.

00:52:16
Speaker 4: Not me.

00:52:18
Speaker 2: You can't trick me out of it. I'm yeah, I'm crazy. Yeah I'm insane, but it's all in good reason and I know what it is. And you're not young nigga scared the death. You'll through that shit with. Let me tell you something. I'm from the South Bronx. I'm telling you from the South Bronx. They invented hip hop music. I was there as a kid for the invention, as a fan. Not crossdown, not this Grandmaster Flash. My brother was a great boy, Mellie Mail, mister Ness lives in my grandmother's really the first female and see shot Rock lives in my projects. I see the first Latino NC room. Nah nigga, I'm y, I'm into Mecca. I'm there, I'm not cross down. I'm not hearing rumors. I'm not this. I'm there in the saw. You just telling you all that to let you know that the Bronx ran hip hop for about the first twelve to thirteen years. There was nothing you could be aminem and rap. And you live in Brooklyn. You not getting it. Nobody. It was just Bronx mania, right. It was a time like that. I'm in junior high school. We're doing the talent show I do She'll only come out at nine, I mean, and every time nothing to do. I've seen that here. I performed that right, hauling notes right. Three girls came out to dance and they played one DMC in the Bronx homeie hip hop. All we knew was the Bronx. I watched one thousand niggas looking say, oh, it's over this shit going to Queens fast nigga like Easy Cass. I watched the whole Bronx. They played run DMC for the first time the whole nigga said, and we knew it was over. That shit was like, that's why it happened to all these podcasters. When they saw Joe and Jada, they said, they said, let us front, let us try, let us keep going and trying to act like we do. One.

00:54:45
Speaker 11: You ain't been kidnapped, you ain't been killed, you ain't been kidnapped. The Iron Sheet didn't ask you for perhaps something for the no, she they're just not and the fluidity is and they it's just not the same for that. We need more, got a break feet. It's always the new energy is everything. I feel like I love it.

00:55:18
Speaker 2: Listen, we went from YouTube to Netflix. First of all, what was the one we did?

00:55:24
Speaker 3: Now?

00:55:24
Speaker 2: We did it on my I G. We went from YouTube to Netflix. Everybody said, you crazy? This this that they used to diss me every day. I don't know they used to diss me every day. Now I've been looking at them. Should the way these guys the up and coming let's just say the up and coming podcast is because you don't like me to say that. There's a section of YouTube that's like AM Radio, good Morning No with all stepped up without dumb knowing they're doing better every day. Their content was us so Fat Joe says some crazy shit. Yeah, I met the algorithm. Their whole show is fuck out. A year were giving them content and they're like, y'all, fuck these guys. They ain't really hot. Now we're on Netflix. They don't have Netflix and Chill, so they can't really do the commentary every day about you do have nothing. I thought it's miss miss. I thought everybody has Netflix and Chip. Motherfucker don't got nine ninety nine. You think I need that customer? Fuck nigga, Like, I don't know what these people talking about. If you ain't got netflixing, you ain't got nine ninety nine, you can't buy a fucking button. I hate Fat Joe Bill. I'm not worried about you. I'm worried about the money. That's all I'm ever worried about. Of Course, we're preserving the culture. Of course, this is hip hop, is where everybody feel comfortable. We never do negativity on it. This is all positivity of the negative. I'm sick of everything being negative. The negative shit. You know what I'm saying.

00:57:24
Speaker 1: It can be amazing day in the world and one negative thing will come up, and that will be the internet is so happy, you know what I'm saying, Like literally it could be arguably everyone's like, this is the best day ever and the one negative thing that's.

00:57:37
Speaker 2: All everybody ever talked about that whole day. So I love that. So Ice spices in McDonald's. Yes, some girls starts with hunh a, look how fat Joe thinks? Crazy fat Joe girl smacks I Spice, Right, who is wrong? The girl? You can't put hands on the ice spice eating her chicken McNugget whatever. And the girl come up in there and she's like, yo, she smacks him. I Spice a real girl, She got a spice, got the fuck out of it. She gotta get rid of that. Done. That's that circle getting smaller and got out of there. On listen, I'm talking about negativity and social media. I Spice gets smacked. She's of course, she's from the Bronx. She's gonna defend herself. She gets up, try to get him. These two fem A day later, the pretty girls what's their name dressed the or and all of them they fighting the club. Whoever the girls are? Who Jada waya alright, because you gotta go. I understand if you don't know who Jada Wait is or dsd rs, see, something's wrong with you. Brother. You don't know nobody's names, nigga, you know all fried, but I know who they are. They get it popping in the club. Two females. Somebody just dying too. Hello, little kid, Hello, he got it, he got it, he got it. The girl come up, she smack, I stick got it girl. The girl smack ice spice. They get it popping. I heard that. The two pretty girls get it popping. Now the two pretty girls in the UK want to get it popping. Fucked up. She ran over her with a car. Now she got a body. She killed the girl, the other pretty girl murderer. This is all generating registration. It's all generated from social media negativity. They seeing this, they seeing they don't they'll they'll, they'll mimic everything till somebody dyes, that's a great valid point. You made you that, and so social media, I have you doing ship you don't want to do, and so all this negativity, all that I don't even you know what. I'm gonna be honest with you. I know everything that's going on, but I'm pretty much in the bubble. Now I go home, I do my graffiti. If I don't go to a game or somewhere i'm getting paid, I stay home. It's just like that right now, in the streets and social media and all that. It just got me. I look, you know, I've always been a guy, never got hind all that. I've been a guy that can look at you and be like, oh no, I don't want to do that. That's what happens. So I'm looking at social media is so negative. I'm like, let me just stay my ass right here, keep your hand down. Because this ship and they love it, and they celebrated, and they come every day and they start some more ship and they start and I'm just looking at all this ship and everybody's ratting and everybody, how about there was a time where people used to ride horses, not cars. Somebody's grandmother or grandfather saw the horses turn into a car and then turned into a phone and then turn into an airplane. That worked.

01:01:31
Speaker 1: I'm at the point where this nigga starts conversations way ahead.

01:01:40
Speaker 2: And then I gotta see what you can figure out?

01:01:47
Speaker 4: This is?

01:01:47
Speaker 2: It's always it always, it always lands, but landed landed. I don't know what I was saying.

01:01:52
Speaker 6: No, it was we started with horse somebody I don't even know what somebody that turned into a call went turned into a phone. It didn't stop.

01:02:05
Speaker 2: Because we're watching the evolution of destruction through his social social media. And so I just gave you an example. I listen, I just no, but Forday's mathematics. Can I call this ship goes into Yo? What can I add to this? Though in a good way. That's just what you're saying about the chicks fight, not even think about it like that. That is that was great. That was great.

01:02:35
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that there's another version of it too, that if that can happen on the negative side.

01:02:42
Speaker 2: We can see Cougar, we can see you. We can see that.

01:02:46
Speaker 1: We can see literally the positive vibrations. And I'm not even that kind of personal I'm talking like, you know what I'm saying. We can see I think there's a version of people start emulating. I don't need to talk about another person to be dope. I don't need to bring talk to somebody else down to be dope. I don't need, you know, to do this. I cannot fight and still be hard you know what I'm saying, I feel like, you know, I feel like there is another version that people can look at what I'm saying. That's why I was so when I look at like we talked about WILLI Smith. You know what I'm saying, Like Will forever, every year of his life that we knew him, kept winning without being what everybody said you had to be. That's why I was so you know, set to see anything that happened him, saying negative of him, because I think everyone has a bad moment, but I still remember, I'm still gonna always root for Will because he did it so big, so long without having to do the ship they said we had to do.

01:03:39
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Oh so let's shout out Chris Rock so like a gentleman and he's a legend. But Will Smith's moment was almost like a young Disney star. You ever see that, like Zen Daya has to go from Disney to Euphoria, you know, just just bieber Golds from a Disney start to six seventy six tattoos in his face. And this because they try to eliminate that that image, I think, how about I know Will Smith premeditated the smack or you think something. I think he was having a bad day. I met. I'd seen him right after. He told me, y'all he had that coming. He might he might have. I think he did feel that way. No, he said, I don't care what he thought. You was one of the first celebrities I seen with Will. After that, you've seen some screening or some ship But the man told me, y'all he had to get that. I said, Damn, Will ain't give a fuck. It wasn't like a spur of the moment. It was something that was a hell of a place to do it. MM didn't momentarily fuck up the bag you think for Will?

01:04:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, well agree to that, you know what I'm saying. But the bag is so big, you know what I'm saying. It's at a certain point you're like, it wasn't worth it, you know what I'm saying. That Maybe for him it was, But I feel like my point I was trying to get is I think I love this show. I don't fucking sit up and like I feel like so many men right now and this is no offense, swimmer, but are not handling themselves like men.

01:05:22
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like that say that again, Please not far love for the men out there. You're not handling yourselves like a man like I don't think men set up in gossiping, truth and talk.

01:05:39
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying publicly, you know, me my stuff behind, but we'll talk, you know, to each other. But the idea of like that is not a manly trait. You know what I'm saying, to get on and you know, and go. And I feel like that's becoming celebrated and it's not something that.

01:05:54
Speaker 2: May come up here and get what. Everything changed. That's why I stay home. I'm home. I mean time and shit everything changed. Man slept with a woman twenty years ago. He bring this shit up twenty years later. Yo, I fucked such and such in ninety nine eighty nine, and shit like, Yo, don't they doing that. That's so against covie. Yeah, that's it's just so weird, yo. Everything we thought the snitches shit out of control. Like I'm ready to snitch on somebody, I'm ready. They fucked me up. I was the last of the Mohicans. Let me tell you something. I'm so anti snitching, Like it's so much in my DNA and my blood. I go to the Knicks game, right, and I'm celebrated. You know, I go in there to parking Attendon's nice. Cops are nice. The securities, it's nice. The glizzie, the guy who gives me the glizzies. Everybody's it's one guy who's secured you. I'm talking about the gardens, really really white. Really see who the real employees are. And there's one Puerto Rican in the whole stadium. He's security and he's by my seat. And if you see this, or your nephews or your son show you please just watch it for yourself. And every time everybody knows Fat Joe. Every time I try to get up to take a picture, he goes, Yoe the line yo not Now, this is the only Puerto Rican did work in this shit keep fucking with And I try tolerated because I'm a nice guy. Everybody loves Fat Joe and this and this, And I say, you know why I had to talk to myself. I'm about to snitch on this, snipper. It starts so far ahead. And so have you ever seen our leader of the New York Knicks, our great owner who takes care of us, James Dolan. Have you ever seen him. I don't know. As much as this man took care of me and looks out for me, he always got a face like he don't want to be bothering you. Ever seen it. He be there like so he know. I salute you, and he salute me. Fat Joe number one fan. But I don't bother that man for nothing. He looks like he doesn't want to be bothered. No, no, he looks like you don't want to be I was disclose. Okay. I went to the garden one day and I said, okay, I'm telling him no, no, his fucking dad. I'm twenty five year is. I never asked mister Dolan for shit in my life. Nothing. I don't bother him. I said today, this motherfucker tells me I'm standing on the line or somebody's walking through. I said, I'm going to mister Duncan, because he's right there. Hey, mister Dolan. Yeah, this guy ras him him in front of the all the stadium. This man and I always I don't know how to fire people. I don't like to get people with. But whatever happens to him, if he's cleaning toilets from there on, he's up the niggas on unemployment. And that one day is where I realized the Puerto Rican man with God. That was the one day he smiled at me and was like, hey, mister Joe, I said, this motherfucker with God right here, I said, ship they stayed this motherfucker because I'm snitching. I'm going to miss the Dolan Yodi's man. I can't take it. He's him. Thank God, he smiled at me yesterday.

01:10:16
Speaker 10: You know.

01:10:25
Speaker 2: So when I got this is the whole thing.

01:10:27
Speaker 1: I don't understand, I'm gonna be the whole Everybody sinching at the same time. The idea though, of what when is snitching okay and who is it okay for? Like the reason that I feel like that it's not okay for what we're hearing for, because these are niggas from the street who dorees a cold and what they live by. If that's what you're gonna live by, this, you gotta die.

01:10:49
Speaker 3: You're a criminal, do crime. You shouldn't snitch. I agree, but you're not under any of them unbrothers. You have the right the signed it or call the police or call it.

01:11:04
Speaker 1: There needs to be a distinction that put out today because it's becoming too many, too many rappers and street niggas that are telling people you can't stinch. You can And I'm like, that's a that's a culture. That's for that culture and for that lifestyle. That's the rules.

01:11:19
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell my child, you know, I got a guy I put on one of my albums. He's from Atlanta. Oh who big bank? You got a podcast box? That real ship. The other day he put a picture of one of them white boys crying a ship. He put a song behind it, Like I forget what song was. It was the funniest ship in the world. But we've reached a moment. We've reached. It was a pivot, what you call it, the pivot, not an end of it. He played end of the role. It was the end of It's like everybody that you thought was real, right, it filled you and you sitting there and you're just like, I mean this, your mom's gets robbed, your lady, your wife gets robbed, your daughter's son did did whatever. They could call the cops on everybody. But if you out here pretending to be a gangster, if you out here talking in your music like you some super extra gangster, nigga, and all of a sudden you get It's like, what's my man from ab in Living Color? Remember the educated all? What was the educated guy? Dam he was the educator. All of a sudden you were educated, y'all. I'm a businessman. I'm snitching this ship out of control. You had me fooled. So I stay home because all the rules I grew up by, it ain't it no more. They and and and I've been living by a cold that they almost got me confused, Like did I like when I go up the habit, Am I gonna go up and speak to my guys and they're gonna be like, man, you felt for that shit? You you moved? Like you know what I'm saying because my whole life I tried for the yeah, and my floored Am I uh not a perfect guy at my dish? Yeah you correct, I'm a sinner whatever you want, But for the most part, I try to follow the rules, like really follow the rules. So everything I grew up by, and all the morals and all the codes, this ship got me confused. So I'm sitting here like yo, this ship.

01:13:47
Speaker 1: But that's social media too, because I feel like it's washing everybody into one.

01:13:53
Speaker 2: And it's like everybody who's a rapper ain't from the streets, you know what I'm saying.

01:13:58
Speaker 1: But they feel like they have to be will have to assume, you know how people assume that they are because they want to be part of Well.

01:14:06
Speaker 2: I like Tyler the Creative. Yeah, but Tyler the Creators from LA and from the hood.

01:14:11
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, like Tyler Creators, how about that people don't know Tyler Creator is not like like Kyler Creators like you just don't.

01:14:18
Speaker 2: He chooses to rock the way he does.

01:14:20
Speaker 1: But he's from Hallingthorn. I'm saying like he's from a real part of LA. He grew up around realge. I'm saying, he just is the way he is, and he's those are real dudes around him. And I love the fact that he doesn't feel the need to sort of be something that he doesn't feel he's not.

01:14:34
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the way it worked for me, sustainble. I have friends who are the nicest, sweetest guys, tell the greatest jokes, worked hard their own life, this this that, and I respect them for who they are. He ain't got to be actually tough for me? How about the tough guys don't act tough. The more tough of the guys is, the more dangerous is the more nicer the guy when you beat him. I met guys that their fucking reputations. You're doing the movie with one of these gangs and guys from LA right. Who my conception Mike Conceptional? Yeah, you know how legendary is that name? He's every time I got around him, he was a perfect gentleman. So every time you hear all these rumors, and when you get around the real ones, you're like, wow, I was just a tops house right, Top, another one. Top is a legend. He's a reputable. No, no, he's a super legend.

01:15:31
Speaker 1: He's a reputable you know what I'm saying, one of the most lethal hoods and beyond respect in a different way. I know of him, that's right, forget the hood. I know his jail time.

01:15:46
Speaker 2: Yes, and while he was beyond respected in jail, his people are wildly respected in jail. Yeah.

01:15:57
Speaker 1: You go around Top and it is he is happy to be in his beautiful home, beautiful home either next door to Elon Musk and the King of Katar, and he says he don't want none of the street. You know what I'm saying. But he knows what he he is what he is, and he's a real one. And I feel like, to me, that's what you know, I respect the idea. When I go around him, I feel like I feel comfortable. You know what I'm saying. He doesn't need to be a gangster.

01:16:23
Speaker 2: He is a gangster. You know what I'm saying. He doesn't act and I feel like he doesn't need to talk about it. You know what I'm saying. You know, for me, it gets overwhelming, right, So shout out to the one year anniversary of my brother Rich Player. He got Dynasty Commodity Cannabis in Harlem. You ever come to New York Dynasty, But I go there for his one year anniversary. In every gangster I counted in my one hour there, three hundred and fifty years of jail time, my one I'm sitting there. I'm not gonna lie to you. It gets overwhelming for me to hear everybody telling gangst the stories and and and it won't stop. And for me, Fat Joe, I'm gonna tell you something about Fat Joe. Fat Joe talk a lot. Hello. But the people that know, they know he don't talk a lot. The ship I can't talk about. I keep to myself legendary, like I got a treasure chest of shit out there with the nigga who killed Howfa, the niggas the ship wow shit. For some reason, they want to come to me for some reason, all these guys who did the most historical shit you ever heard of, you are I'm sitting in Dubai one day. I'm not lying to you. I'm sitting in in Dubai one day with white linen on with the sea shot. Everybody shit, cray uh, I killed such and such in Dubai. Well, the dude had the nerve to tell me he killed Tupac. And the dude is a soup perier gangster of the ages nigga. They got movies about them. So I'm sitting there like this. One day, I got a tuxedo on with a fucking bow tie. Somebody come up to me and say, Yo, you've seen the movie Pay the Food, y'all. Yeah, I'm the guy who gave rich part of the that the guy to tend the ten keys. He did this, And that's why I get like, I don't know why they have to tell me every aspect of American gangster culture and break it down. I don't want to hear that if I'm with these niggas, y'all, let's get money, man, Let's see the fucking sandwich is something like why I gotta ha No, it becomes overbearing for me. It becomes it's too much gainst. And right now I'm looking at all these niggas telling and all that, I'm like, Yo, I don't even know what. I don't know what's going on.

01:19:17
Speaker 1: You're talking about Mike and Sis. Mike told me, he was like, you from here. You know a lot of people have these relationships. You know what I'm saying. I'm grew up in the city and so people coming up and he was like, you don't want no parts of that. He was like, because once you start going down, he was like, Mike is like, go buy some real estate. Let's go to the Dominican Republican hangout. He's like, He's like, once you start putting yourself. And it's a lot of people we all know that set it from hoods, even from LA. I'm saying, they getting pressed, they're getting taxed because they want to be a part of it. So that once you become a part of it.

01:19:54
Speaker 2: How they want to be.

01:19:55
Speaker 1: You can't get out of it. They want to be a part of it. Yeah, they want to be a part of something I don't feel like. And it's all funny games. It's not what No, it's never funny games. And the thing about it, you ain't getting them.

01:20:09
Speaker 2: Let me tell you the biggest part problem with LA crime politics. La is not safe. It's not right. Any one is not. And what I'm trying to tell you is that I'm being with the King of bell Layer. I'm talking about the Jerry West of the game, the logo of all logos. These things we can't talk about. Kiss. But what I'm saying is, I don't come out the club and Nigga's front on him, the guy on the Mount Rushmore, the fucking guy went to the moon first, the illest Nigga ever left. Y'all, homie, what that about home? I'm like, yo, if they don't respect the fucking John Gotti of I'm sitting there with the John Gotti of l A like this, like and they trying to play with him. I'm like, yo, they got no respect out of here. One of the biggest rules you have to learn in life. Don't invite me to yonkers. If there's a crazy nigga and yonkers dick to scream on me and try to stick me up in front of you, don't do it. People invit me. I'm not saying that. I'm not talking about you personally. They're gonna give you. I'm not talking about yon too. That's great, But I've been in situations where I don't win places with guys that I thought had the juice. There didn't. I'm talking about younger before rap, and they ain't really had a juice. So you think you with that, dude, and then they packed in front of you like, yo, my man, I thought you had this on a lot. You ain't got this. Everybody got juice, everybody from here, everybody there till you go there, nigga, be like, yo, get out of here, Joe. It ain't safe. It's stop alive right now, like are we lying? This? Shits smoking mirrors like a motherfuck out here. And I overstand that. So that's why you know all the crazy guys, the real killers, they love Fat Joe. I never had a killer, not like Fat Joe. In fact, when I cheer with them, they tell me I'm crazy, he said, you fucking crazy, Fat Joe. I've been with guys that their name is so scary in New York that I've talked to them and I got a million dollars a jury like this. It's excuse me, Joe. One second, and they go across the street. They stick up a rapper, a known rapper, come back with the shans in their neck and eye. You know, I just go over there, you know, I stick up such and such, you know this, And I'm looking at them and say, you what, yeah, just rob such as a home. Okay, just that niggas, And so I don't understand that language. You know, I don't understand that. That's why I stay home and I draw a lot. Keep your hear down it stop a lot, you know these niggas is The point is, listen, guys, whether you rap, whatever the case may be, don't go to somebody's hood and they acting and pretending like they got the power that you shoot dice in that lobby and the real guy comes out because the money stay on the floor. They say, leave it here, right what they say at the dice game, they'd be like, yo, y'all, y'all in the wood, No, not money on the good gun. Nah when they come out and be like, y'all leave it on that even Fat Joe no better. I'm talking.

01:23:57
Speaker 1: Mike got put in a wheelchair out of crap game. Well it wasn't game bang and it was at a crap game. That's how it happened.

01:24:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, my man, Black Ant was the nicest, the best guy in the world. He was not pussy. He lost the game over a dollar and they stabbed him in the heart because he ain't have the dollar. That's a true story. I told you his name, Black Ant from McKinley Projects, the best guy in the world. He didn't have the dollar. They stabbed him in his heart. I'm in Hallow getting money just before rap. I'm in Harlem getting money some guys. Some guys are shooting dice. Some guys are shooting dice across the street. Of course I go not mind my business. It's a legend. Bob Lemon. I'll tell you his name, Bob Lemon. He did like thirty years with boy Georgian on him. He side of Harlem. I start shooting dice, I start beating these I'm not even a gambler, can you I start beating these guys and all fat Joe know how to do the fuck that you know how to. Then I realized, like, how am I getting out of here? I had to give everybody some money. I was like, yo, yo, ran in my truck, got the fuck out of here. I realized, oh shit, I overstepped my bounderment from here. Nigga, they'll take my head off Star for love. So yeah, you guys should watch the documentary. Is it or it's on Amazon Prime, Amazon Primes. Jerry West the logo you know what Jerry West taught me to shoot and turn around. I'm watching Kobe Bryant's funeral on TV. Michael Jordan's is giving his speech and he's in tears and he says, I I believe he said. I. I told my wife I didn't want to do this because I knew they were gonna make me a mean at that moment. Because some people try to act like they're not on social media or they're not watching everybody got a dummy account. They try to act like this. So I'm really thinking, Michael Jordan ain't on social media playing golf. Now he on the boat. He you know, he not fucking with that, right, but when he says my wife, I told my wife I didn't want them to make a mean The camera shot to Jerry West and he immediately started laughing like he knew what he was saying. I said this motherfucker on social media, Jerry West, he understood exactly what Michael was saying. No matter how because he the logo he gotta be old. Now how old is he? Now? Times my motherfucker with laughing and shit like oh meme, I said, Yo, everybody watching social media, even Jerry Wes the logo, knew what time it was. With that, you know, great work in your barrass I can't wait till we get our ship started. Need to meet Tyler Perry. I need to meet Tyler Perry and all your other illuminati. French gotta have a bag for me. I need them all, I need they. You know you got that little you know? I know, send the kids Alish Society crew, we need it. I can read you know. I'm I'm sagged registered man. I want to shout out Netflix for supporting us and giving us the bag. I don't lie to you guys. This is a race to the paper. Guys sending me watches for half a million. That's what the text I get when I'm home. They're like, yo, this is the one of five. This is the one like I'm not I'm not trying to be broke never. And thank god I told him one day I stood home. You know, you love your family, but the one day they leave the house feels like a sanctuary. Don it. It's so nice. You get to eat whatever the fuck you want. You chilling you watch it And I start looking at my light bulbs in the house. Fucking light bulb. You're so far ahead of the story. And I'm like, no, why I'm trying to tell you is I grew up so fucking poor. Everybody was running around here with leather v bombers. I had to plastic my nigga. I tell Mayor, Mayor from Patterson Projects. He's like, yo, this, I said, bro, you know why I know your projects. It's a hundred projects in the brook. And said why, face the face was right behind your projects. You know what face the face is? Face the faces when your mother goes and begs Welfare to give us some fucking food stamps so we can eat breakfast. Oh, I'm from the Sai. You the bottom of the ship in the summer. We ain't had no ac. You have to sleep on the floor. Low it's cooler. No paper toilet with the newspaper, white gas, with the newspaper. I'm like, y'all want this ship or not?

01:29:21
Speaker 12: Paper toilet, No paper toilet, the newspaper, white yard. They don't want it here this toilet paper thank you. You know Puerto Rican's we say, throw us a picture. I never knew what the fuck that man?

01:29:39
Speaker 2: Throw me a picture? Like? But my point is, can you when you get the looking at the light all the ship? I look at my light boars like we got light bulbs, this expensive light bulbs. Fucking light backer Rot expense doctor rot. You you know what I'm saying. I sit, I'm just so blead. What are you mad about? Tutim a felon, I've seen your face. Yeah, but that's how I feel every day. I'm looking at the penny, not for shit you're wearing over you got nursing schools. They're not even nurse shoes, they're nursing school shoes. You got told booth what shoes? Listen? Can you barrows? Thank you so much? Man? This ain't that the.

01:30:28
Speaker 6: Logo male Amazon Prime make sure you too by that ship the night you hurt fracking.

01:30:34
Speaker 2: Just make some noise for my brother. Can your barrasser