Ep:157 The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot with Maxim Furek

<v Speaker 1>Why are people looking for this creature that a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people out of biologists and zoologists believe don't exist.
<v Speaker 1>And so I started to go and immerse myself in cryptozoology,
<v Speaker 1>do all the reading, talk to people, and I start
<v Speaker 1>to put this book and I call it the Lost
<v Speaker 1>Tribes of Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 2>Lost Types of Bigfoot is a metaphor.
<v Speaker 1>It's a metaphor for all the theories and hypotheses for
<v Speaker 1>what Sasquatch might be.
<v Speaker 3>Author, speaker and researcher Maxim Furick is joining me on
<v Speaker 3>this episode of Bigfoot Crossroads. He came highly recommended from
<v Speaker 3>my buddy Sean Forker over at the Sasquatch Experience. You
<v Speaker 3>may have heard him on other podcasts and now you're
<v Speaker 3>going to hear him on this one. Maxim, thanks for
<v Speaker 3>joining me.
<v Speaker 2>Man Matt, thanks so much.
<v Speaker 1>And I see you're in Oklahoma. You know, just just
<v Speaker 1>to get the record straight, I used to go to
<v Speaker 1>school at Saint Gregory's College in Shawnee, Oklahoma. That was
<v Speaker 1>Potawatamee County, and that was just south of Tulsa and
<v Speaker 1>ten Killer Dam.
<v Speaker 3>You know where that is, Yeah, I do, I do.
<v Speaker 3>There's actually some Bigfoot stories from around the ten Killer area.
<v Speaker 2>Oh I can imagine. I mean I loved Oklahoma.
<v Speaker 1>Uh just had you know, great memories and you know,
<v Speaker 1>everything was good. So yeah, and we even got caught
<v Speaker 1>in a in a twister and I guess you're that's
<v Speaker 1>tornado Alley your way, So yeah, you know that was
<v Speaker 1>that was pretty crazy. So anyway, thank you for having
<v Speaker 1>me on Bigfoot Crossroads. And again I got a really
<v Speaker 1>good report of you know, your your podcast from a
<v Speaker 1>number of people, so you know, your reputation precede.
<v Speaker 3>You and it's actually a good thing this time.
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome, right, Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So like, yeah, you're one of those people that seems
<v Speaker 3>to be sort of like me, where your interests lie
<v Speaker 3>in many different areas. You've got a background in psychology,
<v Speaker 3>You've done some rock journalism, you do some writing on
<v Speaker 3>addiction and recovery, and also the paranormal encrypted world. Apparently,
<v Speaker 3>how did that whole thing get started for you? What
<v Speaker 3>sparked your interest in those topics?
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know. I think I'm sort of like
<v Speaker 1>a little kid in a sandbox. You know, I got
<v Speaker 1>my my dump trucks and my bulldozers and everything else,
<v Speaker 1>and but you know, a lot of podcasters point this
<v Speaker 1>out and they think that I'm very diverse or very eclectic,
<v Speaker 1>but I argue against that. I think a lot of
<v Speaker 1>us have those interests. I mean, you know, a lot
<v Speaker 1>of us are pretty much the same. We have that commonality.
<v Speaker 1>You know, we have our wins and our losses and
<v Speaker 1>all that. But I think most of us, you know,
<v Speaker 1>if you were to go and have look at somebody's resume,
<v Speaker 1>you know, they all have their interests and their background
<v Speaker 1>and what they did, what they tried to do, so
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean what I've done is just I
<v Speaker 1>think I've been able to do a couple of things
<v Speaker 1>in my life that have been successful. And I was
<v Speaker 1>a psychologist, but mainly I worked in the realm of
<v Speaker 1>addictions and recovery. And you know, I have a love
<v Speaker 1>for rock and roll, so you know, sex, drugs and
<v Speaker 1>rock and roll, so I was sort of like fascinated
<v Speaker 1>by these drugs. That that and the celebrities. I coined
<v Speaker 1>the term called celebrity blood voyeurism, and that pertains to
<v Speaker 1>the public's pathological fixation with celebrities like Michael Jackson and
<v Speaker 1>Amy Winehouse and Elvis Presley, Jimi Hendrix, Jennis Joplin, Jim Morrison,
<v Speaker 1>Kurt Cobain, all these people at Lane Staley that crashed
<v Speaker 1>and burned. They couldn't handle the fame. And it was
<v Speaker 1>like Steven Tyler of Arrowsmith said that fame is like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, a thousand chickens pecking you at the same time.
<v Speaker 1>You know, we a lot of us hope to have
<v Speaker 1>that fame, you know, to be celebrated and successful and
<v Speaker 1>all that. But a lot of times when you get
<v Speaker 1>that fame, you can't handle it. And the first thing
<v Speaker 1>we do is we a lot of us turn to
<v Speaker 1>drugs and alcohol and all those maladaptive behaviors, and then
<v Speaker 1>we're on the real to self destruction. So, as a
<v Speaker 1>drug and alcohol specialist and as a rock and roll journalist,
<v Speaker 1>I started to write articles about some of these people
<v Speaker 1>that crashed and burned. You know, Eric Clapton, who was
<v Speaker 1>a heroin addict and alcoholic. Clapton was able to kick
<v Speaker 1>the dope, he could stop doing the heroin, but he
<v Speaker 1>had the hardest time stopping drinking. I mean, he just
<v Speaker 1>thought he wouldn't be able to play or exist without
<v Speaker 1>the booze. And just so many stories like that. So
<v Speaker 1>I wrote a whole bunch of stuff about about celebrities
<v Speaker 1>who crashed and burned again, a celebrity blood voyeurism. I
<v Speaker 1>did trainings on them, and then for a short amount
<v Speaker 1>of time, like I know, two, three, four years, maybe
<v Speaker 1>five years, I was sort of the and I'm going
<v Speaker 1>to say this in the right way, one of the
<v Speaker 1>top resource people as far as emerging drugs of abuse.
<v Speaker 1>And what I mean is that I was really knowledgeable
<v Speaker 1>about all the things that were coming out there, whether
<v Speaker 1>they were bath salts, synthetic cannabinoids, molly, you know, ecstasy
<v Speaker 1>and DMA, you know, all of these designer drugs, all
<v Speaker 1>of these drugs that promised you euphoria, promised you that
<v Speaker 1>sex and music would be so much better. But in
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times, like with basalts, it would make
<v Speaker 1>somebody psychotic. You would get so jacked up, you know,
<v Speaker 1>with whatever was in the drug, either serotonin or you know,
<v Speaker 1>some kind of methamphetamine byproduct, and you would become psychotic.
<v Speaker 2>So I wrote about this.
<v Speaker 1>And did lectures on that, and I think the biggest
<v Speaker 1>one was like invited out to a conference in Las
<v Speaker 1>Vegas and we had over one hundred people in the
<v Speaker 1>audience and people from Taiwan and all that. That was
<v Speaker 1>like my shining moment, you know, to talk about emerging
<v Speaker 1>drugs of abuse. But anyway, so that was part of
<v Speaker 1>what I did. And then certainly I've written about rock
<v Speaker 1>and roll. But anyway, and this is pretty long winded,
<v Speaker 1>but I became I got into the paranormal by accident.
<v Speaker 1>I was writing a book about the song Timothy and
<v Speaker 1>Timothy from nineteen seventy one was a song about cannibalism
<v Speaker 1>in a mine, and it was recorded by a group
<v Speaker 1>called the Boys Buoys. They were the most popular, most
<v Speaker 1>successful act in northeastern Pennsylvania, where I'm from. And so
<v Speaker 1>I was writing a book about this and the connection
<v Speaker 1>with the Shepton mind disaster, and this where it all began.
<v Speaker 1>The Shepton mind disaster, there were three guys that were entombed,
<v Speaker 1>only two came out, and there were allegations of cannibalism,
<v Speaker 1>and so I was writing about Shepton and then I
<v Speaker 1>discovered that there were elements of out of body experiences,
<v Speaker 1>near death experiences, and life after death experiences. One of
<v Speaker 1>the miners was Roman Catholic. He claimed that Pope John
<v Speaker 1>the twenty third was in the mine with them for
<v Speaker 1>the two weeks that they were entombed, and Pope John
<v Speaker 1>the twenty third had died in June of sixty three.
<v Speaker 1>Shepton took place in August of sixty three, had died
<v Speaker 1>before Shepton happened. It was a matter of life after death.
<v Speaker 1>All three of Pope John the twenty thirds purported miracles.
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you believe in this stuff or not.
<v Speaker 1>And you know we're talking to paranormal I mean this,
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the realm of outside the scientific But well,
<v Speaker 1>all three of this miracles happened after he had died.
<v Speaker 1>And I've spoken with Catholic sisters and brothers and priests
<v Speaker 1>about this, you know, so a lot of them sort
<v Speaker 1>of steer away from the apparitions and the miracles and
<v Speaker 1>the exorcisms and all that which which I love. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I'm really just so you know, intrigued by it and
<v Speaker 1>fascinated by it. But a lot of the traditional Catholic
<v Speaker 1>organizations stays away from it because they don't want to
<v Speaker 1>get embarrassed by some psychotic person, you know, some vela
<v Speaker 1>that you know may be schizophrenic. And you know, we
<v Speaker 1>know that even with exorcism, the first thing the priest
<v Speaker 1>has to determine is whether or not the person is
<v Speaker 1>schizophrenic and it's hallucinating, or if they're actually possessed by
<v Speaker 1>the devil. And with you know, with that possession, you know,
<v Speaker 1>we see things like superhuman powers. We see the person
<v Speaker 1>being able to talk, these strange languages may maybe levitate.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, just crazy stuff that you and I. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you, but I can't do you know.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I've never broke out in Latin.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, yeah, so that's the key. But I've done
<v Speaker 1>a number of presentations on Catholic mysticism. And I'll tell
<v Speaker 1>you what if those Roman Catholics come out because they're
<v Speaker 1>they hunger for this, because they don't get this in church.
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I talk about demonology, and I had
<v Speaker 1>a relationship with da and Lorraine Warren. They were the
<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholic demonologists from Connecticut, and I had met them
<v Speaker 1>and befriended them and stayed in contact with him. And
<v Speaker 1>you know, I would call that up and say, well,
<v Speaker 1>tell me again, how did you do battle with the demons?
<v Speaker 1>And Ed Lauren would say how he would go and
<v Speaker 1>invoke the spirit of Jesus Christ of Saint Michael, the
<v Speaker 1>archangel and of Padre Peel to do battle with these demons.
<v Speaker 1>So I would call him up and just pick his brain.
<v Speaker 1>And I put a lot of that information in my
<v Speaker 1>book Cole Reagi and Whodo, which has a lot of
<v Speaker 1>my conversation, my interactions with Edan Marine Warren so so.
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, the Sheefton book came out in twenty sixteen,
<v Speaker 1>that was nine years ago, and that for me opened
<v Speaker 1>up the doors to the paranormal. I never went looking
<v Speaker 1>for it. It stalked me, It found me, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>it hit me over the head. So you know, those
<v Speaker 1>energies were channeled through me, and that's how I became
<v Speaker 1>a paranormal author. I mean just twenty sixteen, the Shepton book,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, nine years, nine years ago, So you
<v Speaker 1>know that's my story basically.
<v Speaker 3>So how did Bigfoot hook you? What led you down
<v Speaker 3>the path of designing to do this Bigfoot book that
<v Speaker 3>you just released recently? I guess the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, twenty twenty four. Yeah, in twenty twenty three, Beyond
<v Speaker 1>the Fray published Cole Region, who do paranormal tales from
<v Speaker 1>inside the Pit, And that's almost like a two for
<v Speaker 1>one I mean, there was a ton of information there,
<v Speaker 1>and if I was just you know, trying to market
<v Speaker 1>and promote and make money, I would have made two books,
<v Speaker 1>not one. But anyway, it's sort of like an encyclopedia
<v Speaker 1>of the paranormal. It's an awesome book. It's doing well
<v Speaker 1>on Amazon, you know, with as far as the reviews
<v Speaker 1>and everything, so we're really good. So like one of
<v Speaker 1>my best selling books. But there were two chapters there
<v Speaker 1>on Bigfoot. One was the Bigfoot Enigma and the other
<v Speaker 1>was the Bigfoot Hypotheses. And in that book and those
<v Speaker 1>two chapters, I was just trying to figure out what
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot was. Well, I realized there was there's no way
<v Speaker 1>to go and tell the story in two chapters. So
<v Speaker 1>I said wait, and I was fascinated. I mean, why
<v Speaker 1>are people looking for this creature that a lot of people,
<v Speaker 1>out of biologists and zoologists believe don't exist. And so
<v Speaker 1>I started to go and immerse myself in cryptozoology, do
<v Speaker 1>all the reading, talk to people, and I start to
<v Speaker 1>put this book and I call it The Lost Tribes
<v Speaker 1>of Bigfoot. It's published by Hangar One and they're the
<v Speaker 1>one guys that did Monster Quest, and it has something
<v Speaker 1>called IBT. It's immersive book technology. And throughout the book
<v Speaker 1>you have these bar codes and if you take your phone,
<v Speaker 1>you take your phone's camera and place it on the
<v Speaker 1>bar codes, It'll open up a video of me, like
<v Speaker 1>maybe a two or three minute video of me that
<v Speaker 1>was shot back in Pennsylvania and my office there, and
<v Speaker 1>I'll talk, I'll do a synopsis of the chapters. So
<v Speaker 1>the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot has this new I think,
<v Speaker 1>cutting edge technology. I mean, I don't know, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're one of the few books that I
<v Speaker 1>know that have that, and it just makes it interactive.
<v Speaker 1>You know. People love it because there I am adding
<v Speaker 1>to the to the dimension, to the to the essence,
<v Speaker 1>you know. So it's really kind of cool just to
<v Speaker 1>see that. And so that's one thing that makes the
<v Speaker 1>Lost Tribes of Bigfoot unique. The other thing, though, the
<v Speaker 1>Lost Tripes of Bigfoot is a metaphor. It's a metaphor
<v Speaker 1>for all the theories and hypotheses for what Sasquatch might be.
<v Speaker 1>And throughout the ages, we've had theories that even Jeff
<v Speaker 1>Meldrum believes that it might be connected to Gigantopithecus, which
<v Speaker 1>was this eight I think maybe twelve to sixteen foot
<v Speaker 1>eight that looked like an orangutang that probably came across
<v Speaker 1>the Bearing straight from Asia and landed in for the
<v Speaker 1>Pacific Northwest and British Columbia. That's the theory. But Giganto
<v Speaker 1>Pithecus is one of the usual suspects. Neanderthal Austrolopithecus is one,
<v Speaker 1>you know, the various missing links, you know, if you
<v Speaker 1>believe that. I don't, but you know, we use that
<v Speaker 1>term missing link. But so the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>was a metaphor for all of these possibilities of what
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot could actually be. So I do I talk about that,
<v Speaker 1>and people that read it say that I was able
<v Speaker 1>to distill a complex subject matter into something that was
<v Speaker 1>easy to read. And that's just awesome. I'm just so
<v Speaker 1>glad that, you know, I mean, when you get feedback,
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't matter if it's bad feedback. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>some people don't like my writing style, and I get that,
<v Speaker 1>you know, but a lot of people do, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>and what I get is that it's easy to read,
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's easy to comprehend, and that it's well
<v Speaker 1>researched and well written and That's the key if you're
<v Speaker 1>going to be a writer, give your audience something that
<v Speaker 1>is readable. Don't kill them with the adjectives and adverbs
<v Speaker 1>and the superfluous stuff that you don't need. Cut it down,
<v Speaker 1>you know, make it sparse, you know, like Hemingway and
<v Speaker 1>and proof for you to get more eyes on it,
<v Speaker 1>and so that you don't embarrass yourself or you're you know,
<v Speaker 1>the paranormal community with something that's crap. And there's a
<v Speaker 1>lot of books out there that are written first person
<v Speaker 1>about people that go out into the woods looking for
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch and ye da YadA, YadA. You know, it's just
<v Speaker 1>you know, so, I mean there's a lot of basic,
<v Speaker 1>almost like knuckle dragging books, and I personally hate that.
<v Speaker 1>I what I want to do is I just want
<v Speaker 1>to elevate the discussion, to make it a little bit
<v Speaker 1>more academic and more palatable to the scientific community and
<v Speaker 1>the general public.
<v Speaker 2>So that's what I try to do.
<v Speaker 1>I just try to go and uh, you know, bring
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, bring a little bit of kademia and
<v Speaker 1>maybe a little bit of sophistication to the field, you know. So,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know if I'm if that's
<v Speaker 1>how people read me, but that's what I'm trying to do.
<v Speaker 3>So with this book, were you targeting newcomers to Bigfoot
<v Speaker 3>or people that were already experienced with the subject matter.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, that's a great question, and that's probably
<v Speaker 1>a question that a publisher would ask.
<v Speaker 2>But I was just doing it for me. I was
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure.
<v Speaker 1>Out what's what's what's all the ruckus, what's everybody so
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, uh uh so crazy about? What's so
<v Speaker 1>exciting about Bigfoot and Sasquatch and all that? And I
<v Speaker 1>just started to do the research and look at it
<v Speaker 1>and follow the dots. And it's just amazing that so
<v Speaker 1>many people are looking for for Bigfoot and we've been
<v Speaker 1>doing it for a long time, and I've been able
<v Speaker 1>to go and determine, you know, identify the different camps,
<v Speaker 1>you know, the different you know, there's there's there's there's
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of wars going on within the Bigfoot realm,
<v Speaker 1>and but you know, but it's a very changing, fluid community.
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot conferences are just popping up all over the place.
<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you what, until we reach a point
<v Speaker 1>of saturation, I think you're going to see this, and
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you an example. You know, I'm a snowbird.
<v Speaker 1>I'm down here in Florida right now, and you know
<v Speaker 1>they look for skuncape down here. But I'll be leaving
<v Speaker 1>for Pennsylvania in late August. I'll be at the Butler
<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth Annual Butler Paranormal Conference in Butler, Pennsylvania, and
<v Speaker 1>I'll be talking about the lost Tribes of Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 2>But it's the researchers.
<v Speaker 1>And again, we don't have one organization that keeps track
<v Speaker 1>of Bigfoot or flying saucers. However, numerous organ organizations have
<v Speaker 1>said that Pennsylvania or Florida or the number three state
<v Speaker 1>with the most Bigfoot sightings and after California and Washington State.
<v Speaker 1>So you know, when I'm down here in Florida, I
<v Speaker 1>look for skunk cavee. You know, we go hiking all
<v Speaker 1>the time. I mean just at a two hour hike
<v Speaker 1>yesterday through the hills and dales, and Florida does have hills,
<v Speaker 1>so we you know, we go into this very remote
<v Speaker 1>place looking for the skun cave. And then when I'm
<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania, we go looking for Bigfoot. And I don't
<v Speaker 1>know if you were going to ask me if I
<v Speaker 1>ever saw bigfoot. But yes, and no, I was. It
<v Speaker 1>was last year. My wife and I were walking in
<v Speaker 1>this place in Pennsylvania called the Riverlands, and it's parallels
<v Speaker 1>the Susquehanna River, and have you heard of the Susquhinna River.
<v Speaker 1>I have, yes, okay, okay, yeah, very nice, very long.
<v Speaker 1>And so we walk down this one pathway that's next
<v Speaker 1>to the river that's usually flooded out, and when we
<v Speaker 1>were there was dry. So we're just going down there
<v Speaker 1>just to see if there's any wildlife. See you see
<v Speaker 1>what's down there, and it's very remote, and I'm looking
<v Speaker 1>and here in front of me, there's this black shape
<v Speaker 1>coming towards me, coming closer, and I'm thinking, maybe it's bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm hoping for a bigfoot. I'm God, I want
<v Speaker 1>to see one of these things. But it ducks behind
<v Speaker 1>a tree, comes towards me. So we're talking about one
<v Speaker 1>thousand and one, one thousand and two, one thousand and three,
<v Speaker 1>maybe three seconds, maybe four seconds, and my heart's pounding,
<v Speaker 1>it's racing, and I'm looking at the sasquatch. Here it
<v Speaker 1>comes towards me, and that black shape becomes more defined,
<v Speaker 1>and here it's a woman wearing like a fur like
<v Speaker 1>coat with these lapel shoulder lapels, you know, the extended
<v Speaker 1>shoulders that made her look like it was a bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>like creature. And then I saw that it wasn't. But
<v Speaker 1>for those three or four seconds, I know that awe,
<v Speaker 1>I know that feeling a sense of wonder of seeing
<v Speaker 1>this cryptid that so many people are looking for. And
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sort of like Renee de Hinden. He
<v Speaker 1>was one of the original four Horsemen of Sasquatry, and
<v Speaker 1>he said that after forty years of hunting for bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>he's never seen one, and he said that he probably
<v Speaker 1>never would, but he was one of the original guys
<v Speaker 1>that track them down. And in my book The Lost
<v Speaker 1>Chards of Bigfoot, I dedicate my book to the Four
<v Speaker 1>Horsemen of Sasquatchry, just for all of the wonderful things
<v Speaker 1>they did before computers and microfiche, and you know, before
<v Speaker 1>guys like me and you could go and read all
<v Speaker 1>about bigfoot on Google and know what they look like
<v Speaker 1>and what they sound, and their behaviors and everything else.
<v Speaker 1>You know, back in the day, these researchers didn't have
<v Speaker 1>any of that information, and you know, one of the
<v Speaker 1>guys I talked to was Albert Ossman nineteen twenty four,
<v Speaker 1>and there's a chapter in Lost Tribes about him. But
<v Speaker 1>he was a Swedish Canadian trapper hunter and somebody was
<v Speaker 1>messing with his campground, taking things, stealing things, messing things up.
<v Speaker 1>So Osman hid himself in a sleeping bag with the rifle,
<v Speaker 1>and he was going to wait until they reappeared, and
<v Speaker 1>he was going to shoot him. And what happened was
<v Speaker 1>something picked him up and carried him for miles and
<v Speaker 1>miles of miles. This is nineteen twenty four, and they
<v Speaker 1>let him out. In this valley here, it was a
<v Speaker 1>family of sasquatch, you know, mother, father, son, daughter, and
<v Speaker 1>the daughter bigfoot was feeding Albert Osman's sweet grass. They
<v Speaker 1>all were curious, you know, they weren't mean, they weren't malicious,
<v Speaker 1>but Albert Osman thought that maybe they were going to
<v Speaker 1>use him to procreate.
<v Speaker 2>So he freaks out.
<v Speaker 1>So he made a plan, and he tempted the large
<v Speaker 1>big foot, the large sasquatch, with chewing tobacco, and the
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch got sick, and Albert Osmin took off and went
<v Speaker 1>back home to safety and he didn't say anything. But
<v Speaker 1>then reports of creatures like Bigfoot and sasquatch started to
<v Speaker 1>pop up in British Columbia, so he contacted John Green.
<v Speaker 1>John Green was one of the four Horsemen of Sasquatry,
<v Speaker 1>just like Renee de Hinden, and he was a journalist,
<v Speaker 1>and he took Albert Osman's story, which again this was
<v Speaker 1>before computers, before Osman had the advantage of knowing all
<v Speaker 1>about this. But he talked about the family of Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of times we talk about single, solitary bigfoot, well,
<v Speaker 1>he talked about this family structure. He talked about how
<v Speaker 1>they acted, what they did. He didn't talk about the smell.
<v Speaker 1>You know, we typically talk about Bigfoot smelling like a
<v Speaker 1>wet dog or rotten eggs. You know, some you know
<v Speaker 1>speakle matter, something really nasty.
<v Speaker 2>Right, there was no.
<v Speaker 1>But he didn't mention any smell at all. And you know,
<v Speaker 1>from what I've heard of people that are you know,
<v Speaker 1>that are knowledgeable about sasquatch, you know, they use that
<v Speaker 1>smell to either chase us away or maybe a perfume
<v Speaker 1>like smell to you know, to get closer to us,
<v Speaker 1>or none at all. So but in Albert Osman's case
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty four. There was no smell, but everything else
<v Speaker 1>that he said seemed to make sense, you know. And
<v Speaker 1>again this was his description of the way they looked
<v Speaker 1>and their behaviors. And again this is nineteen twenty four,
<v Speaker 1>and this guy wasn't looking for exposure, wasn't looking for publicity.
<v Speaker 1>But the interesting thing, in nineteen twenty four, we had
<v Speaker 1>the first bigfoot abduction and as far as I know
<v Speaker 1>in my research, that's the only one I've ever heard
<v Speaker 1>of as opposed to the nineteen sixty three Betty and
<v Speaker 1>Barney Hill UFO abduction in the White Hills of New Hampshire.
<v Speaker 1>And after Betty and Barney Hill, there was a whole
<v Speaker 1>cascade of fellow abductees that said, yes, I was abducted too.
<v Speaker 1>And then you had people like Whitney Streiber and John
<v Speaker 1>Mack from Harvard that started to investigate this and look
<v Speaker 1>at this scientifically and document this. And it became you know,
<v Speaker 1>with the Jay Allen Hinex close encounters of the first
<v Speaker 1>and second kind, they became another ce encounter, you know,
<v Speaker 1>those who were being abducted and probed and all that.
<v Speaker 1>So there was a correlation between Albert Osman's nineteen twenty
<v Speaker 1>four abduction and Betty and Barney Hills. I think it
<v Speaker 1>was nineteen sixty three abduction there in New Hampshire. But
<v Speaker 1>just interesting parallels. You know, plenty plenty of UFO abductions,
<v Speaker 1>but only one, as far as I.
<v Speaker 2>Know, Bigfoot one.
<v Speaker 1>So I thought that was kind of interesting.
<v Speaker 3>What was your favorite part of writing this book? Was
<v Speaker 3>there a certain part to it that really stood out
<v Speaker 3>in your mind as something more personally connected to you
<v Speaker 3>than other parts.
<v Speaker 2>I liked the well, I don't.
<v Speaker 1>I guess it was connected to me. But anything that
<v Speaker 1>resonated with me was the Patterson Gimlin film. And here
<v Speaker 1>you had this film from I say nineteen sixty seven,
<v Speaker 1>a fifty eight second film that they shot, and this
<v Speaker 1>is when they were writing around in northern California, Roger
<v Speaker 1>Patterson and Bob Gimlin, and they were going to make
<v Speaker 1>they were making a documentary and they were trying to
<v Speaker 1>make money to go and have an expedition to find Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>So they're riding had three horses. Patterson's on the first horse.
<v Speaker 1>He had his camera. I think it was a Kodak
<v Speaker 1>camera that he rented. It was in his one saddle bag.
<v Speaker 1>Just one of the straps was tied down. He wanted
<v Speaker 1>to be able to reach into it just in case.
<v Speaker 1>And then behind him was Bob Gimlin riding a horse,
<v Speaker 1>and then he had a pack horse. They round a
<v Speaker 1>corner they see this bigfoot female bigfoot head breasts and everything,
<v Speaker 1>and the horse is reared, so everybody's knocked off the horses.
<v Speaker 1>Patterson was able to grab the camera and start shooting
<v Speaker 1>as he's fallen down, and the bigfoot turned around, looked
<v Speaker 1>at Patterson and then walked off. Only fifty eight seconds.
<v Speaker 1>But that fifty eight seconds is you know, just recently
<v Speaker 1>they released the jfk assassination files, right, and the Zapruder
<v Speaker 1>film was the one that's been so scrutinized because the
<v Speaker 1>pruter was able to go and shoot this film of
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy being shot and the Secret Service fan jumping over
<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff. So, uh, that film has been
<v Speaker 1>scrutinized a million times. But also the Patterson Gimlin film
<v Speaker 1>is right up there with scientists and anthropologists and primatologists
<v Speaker 1>looking at it and trying to make sense of it.
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much the and the thing that attracted me was
<v Speaker 1>that it seems to be the proof that we've been
<v Speaker 1>looking for. I think this may be the holy grail
<v Speaker 1>that you know, that scientists believe that it's valid. That
<v Speaker 1>it's not a man in a monkey suit. You know,
<v Speaker 1>you could see the glute muscles, there's no button zippers,
<v Speaker 1>seems you know, it's a creature. And the interesting thing
<v Speaker 1>that one of the things that that was convincing for
<v Speaker 1>me was there was an English primatologist called John Napier,
<v Speaker 1>and Napier was with associated with the Smithsonian Institute, and
<v Speaker 1>in let me see nineteen seventy two, he was presented
<v Speaker 1>a copy of the Patterson Gimlin film. It's nineteen seventy two,
<v Speaker 1>and he looked at it with his buddies from Russia,
<v Speaker 1>some of these other scientists. But John Napier said that
<v Speaker 1>this Patterson Gimlin film was a fake. And the reason
<v Speaker 1>he said this back in seventy two was that this Patty,
<v Speaker 1>this creature seemed to have an upper body like an
<v Speaker 1>ape and a bottom like a hominid, you know, a
<v Speaker 1>bipedal hominid. So Napier said that now this has to
<v Speaker 1>be a fake. They just cobbled together these two characteristics.
<v Speaker 2>That was nineteen seventy two.
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy four, these archaeologists discovered Lucy that was Austrolopithecus.
<v Speaker 1>They discovered Lucy in Ethiopia, and this is the man's
<v Speaker 1>oldest relative. And here Lucy had an upper body like
<v Speaker 1>an ape, in the bottom like a d So when
<v Speaker 1>John Napier heard about that, he said, whoa wait a second,
<v Speaker 1>he goes, I've been wrong. He goes, here's scientific proof
<v Speaker 1>that you know, Patty, you know from the Patterson Gimblin film.
<v Speaker 1>You know, is connected to Lucy named after the Beatles,
<v Speaker 1>Lucy and the sky with diamonds, you know, the austro pithecus.
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, it was a great example of science coming
<v Speaker 1>around full circle to validate some of these hypotheses. And
<v Speaker 1>so Patterson Gimblin film is filled with a whole lot
<v Speaker 1>of those. I think most people like Jeff Meldrum and
<v Speaker 1>Lauren Coleman, Nick Redfern, all these people, I mean, maxim
<v Speaker 1>Furic and well, we all believe that it's authentic, and uh,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and until it's proven otherwise, you know, I
<v Speaker 1>think this is the best evidence we have for the
<v Speaker 1>existence of bigfoot. I know, we had the Freeman. I
<v Speaker 1>think it was a Paul Freeman uh film from maybe
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four. I think it was, And that looks
<v Speaker 1>kind of convincing, But again, you know, I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's real, if it's contrived. I
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Colorado Bigfoot sighting of nineteen ninety three,
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was. That's in my book Lost Tribes.
<v Speaker 1>And this young couple they were celebrating their anniversary. They
<v Speaker 1>were on a train and as they're going through Colorado
<v Speaker 1>through this valley, they saw what looked like a bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>creature and it was controversy whether or not it was
<v Speaker 1>just staged or you know, and that maybe it was
<v Speaker 1>a guy in a gilly suit, you know, a special
<v Speaker 1>suit that is created so that you could creep up
<v Speaker 1>on these animals without being detected. But still, nonetheless, this
<v Speaker 1>was during elk hunting season, and it would be really
<v Speaker 1>stupid to be out there, you know, wearing a gilly
<v Speaker 1>suit when you have all these hunters out there. So
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but that one. You know, there's plenty
<v Speaker 1>of AI generated bigfoots, you know, sightings and everything, and
<v Speaker 1>we're just unfortunately, we're living in this era where it's
<v Speaker 1>pretty easy to go and fabricate something, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>and we're it makes our job harder for us. But again,
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty seven Patterson Gimlin film seems to be the bomb,
<v Speaker 1>that's the holy grail, that's the thing we're looking for.
<v Speaker 1>That's the one that is you know pretty much you know,
<v Speaker 1>the proof we have similar to the two thousand and
<v Speaker 1>four limits the United States maybe TikTok video of the
<v Speaker 1>UFO two thousand and four that they saw off the
<v Speaker 1>coast of San Diego, and this one hovered back and forth,
<v Speaker 1>went under the water. You know, the Pentagon had changed
<v Speaker 1>the name UFO to UAP Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, and then
<v Speaker 1>this sucker went under the water, so they decided that
<v Speaker 1>it was an unidentified anomalous phenomenon. So, uh, nineteen sixty
<v Speaker 1>seven in two thousand and four, really good proof that
<v Speaker 1>there's something there. And I don't you know, we know
<v Speaker 1>that three percent of the things we see are anomalists.
<v Speaker 1>We can't figure out what they are. But the Patterson
<v Speaker 1>Gimlin film and the Nimts San Diego film are pretty
<v Speaker 1>much authentic. There's you know there, you know, you just
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's there's I mean, I have no doubt
<v Speaker 1>in my mind that that's probably the best that we
<v Speaker 1>have right now, after looking at all these different camps
<v Speaker 1>and trains of thought and theories on Bigfoot and what
<v Speaker 1>they are.
<v Speaker 3>What's your personal opinion at this point, what do you
<v Speaker 3>think the most likely explanation for this phenomenon is?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I go with the premise that if it's not
<v Speaker 1>flesh and blood, then what is it? And you know, again,
<v Speaker 1>we've had plenty of time to find a carcass and
<v Speaker 1>to find DNA and we have an any of that.
<v Speaker 2>Now.
<v Speaker 1>Now, again, what we do have, and again I'm not
<v Speaker 1>saying that this is insignificant, but we have certain aspects
<v Speaker 1>of high strangeness. We have the eyewitnesses, we have the
<v Speaker 1>smells people that smell the bigfoot, the sounds, the wood knocks,
<v Speaker 1>the pebbles, the stones that Bigfoot throws at the camp.
<v Speaker 1>And also probably the best evidence, I think are the
<v Speaker 1>footcasts that are of a creature that is bigger than
<v Speaker 1>any man or bear and has a stride that's bigger
<v Speaker 1>than any man or bear that we know. So that's
<v Speaker 1>good proof. No, it's not good enough for the scientific
<v Speaker 1>community because we don't have that body and we don't
<v Speaker 1>have the DNA. So that's, you know, the one side
<v Speaker 1>of it, and I sort of straddle both sides. But
<v Speaker 1>I'm more of the belief that Bigfoot may be interdimensional,
<v Speaker 1>that Bigfoot may share other dimension with us, another world.
<v Speaker 1>You know what Rosemary Ellen Guiley called bylocation or rapid transport,
<v Speaker 1>the ie that you know, Bigfoot could transform from the
<v Speaker 1>material to the intangible world to the intangible. So again,
<v Speaker 1>you know, you see this creature in front of you
<v Speaker 1>and then they're behind you. So this by location, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>what is that with us? I mean, well, it suggests
<v Speaker 1>that Bigfoot has paranormal abilities. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>You know people that I talked to in British Columbia.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I do a lot of podcasts in British
<v Speaker 1>Columbia in Toronto, and these people talk about Bigfoot being telepathic.
<v Speaker 1>He talks to or she talks to, uh you know,
<v Speaker 1>his students.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>They these people up in British Columbia tell me that
<v Speaker 1>they are students and Bigfoot is their teacher. That they speak,
<v Speaker 1>you know, telepathically, that they know things that maybe certain
<v Speaker 1>people are on a certain vibration or a certain level
<v Speaker 1>that Bigfoot's been able to communicate with them. So again,
<v Speaker 1>these are the theories, but I believe that it's interdimensional.
<v Speaker 1>And I believe there's a connection between bigfoot creatures and
<v Speaker 1>flying saucers. And I use that term flying saucer rather
<v Speaker 1>than UAPs, but I think there's a connection. I believe
<v Speaker 1>that they both sort of shape shifts from one dimension
<v Speaker 1>to another, you know, they go through these time warps,
<v Speaker 1>these portals, you know what Einstein called the you know,
<v Speaker 1>the wormhole or bridges you know, between the space time continuum.
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, you know exactly what that means,
<v Speaker 1>but it's a theory and that was proposed back in
<v Speaker 1>the thirties. It was refined by Einstein, and it's what's interesting,
<v Speaker 1>it's the best we have right now, you know, the
<v Speaker 1>Einstein's wormhole theory that you know, maybe this is how
<v Speaker 1>these cryptids, these flying saucers, you know, navigate from one
<v Speaker 1>dimension to another, from one parallel world to another. So again,
<v Speaker 1>that's the theory that makes the most sense to me.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, so we'll see. But you know, I
<v Speaker 1>think the scientific community and crypto zoologists need to come
<v Speaker 1>up with working theories that the majority of us will agree,
<v Speaker 1>you know, makes sense. So that's what we're looking for.
<v Speaker 1>And I I kind of try to do that, you know,
<v Speaker 1>with my term celebrity celebrity blood voyeurism. And I think
<v Speaker 1>it really encapsulated, you know, the like what I call
<v Speaker 1>the pathological need to watch these celebrities.
<v Speaker 2>Crash and burn. And you know, I think there, you.
<v Speaker 1>Know, if if, if it takes that, if we need
<v Speaker 1>to go and invent a new term, you know, to
<v Speaker 1>explain some of these things and find do that. But
<v Speaker 1>I think most a lot of us need to go
<v Speaker 1>and just do do our homework, do our due diligence,
<v Speaker 1>and read what Jacques Philet and Jay Allen Heinek and
<v Speaker 1>all you know, all these other folks had to say
<v Speaker 1>about it, and uh, you know, and you know, uh,
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Melgerman. Although so just you know, do your research,
<v Speaker 1>read and then you know, and then start putting together
<v Speaker 1>your your theories and hypotheses.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, but let's start.
<v Speaker 1>With an understanding of you know, the framework, the information
<v Speaker 1>that we already have, rather than going into a new
<v Speaker 1>direction with new words and terminology and everything. You know,
<v Speaker 1>we don't have to reinvent the wheel because you know,
<v Speaker 1>we know we have some of the answers, but not
<v Speaker 1>all of them. So you know, that's that's what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 3>Do you see any psychological or sociological traits that are
<v Speaker 3>kind of common and both witnesses and maybe like Bigfoot
<v Speaker 3>researchers or UFO researchers and the people that investigate these things.
<v Speaker 2>Well, what I think is that.
<v Speaker 1>I think all of us have a little bit of that, uh,
<v Speaker 1>Indiana Jones and us. You know, we're looking for answers.
<v Speaker 1>We're looking for that holy grail. And it's uh with me,
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's like being on a journey and
<v Speaker 1>we don't know where the with the destination is, but
<v Speaker 1>we're on this journey.
<v Speaker 2>We're looking for something.
<v Speaker 1>We're doing it collectively, just like today, Matt, you and
<v Speaker 1>I are trading, or at least I'm mouthing off about
<v Speaker 1>you know what I believe. But uh, I just think
<v Speaker 1>that you know, uh, we're getting together and trying to
<v Speaker 1>figure this out together. And so that's the uh. I
<v Speaker 1>think that curiosity is the most is the driving force
<v Speaker 1>that need to know and man does that we need
<v Speaker 1>to do that. We need to fill in the blanks.
<v Speaker 1>And there's a thing called confabulation when uh, we get
<v Speaker 1>zapped by electricity, when we have a gap in the
<v Speaker 1>in the memory and the and the memory, we have
<v Speaker 1>to fill that in. You know, we're looking for the
<v Speaker 1>psyche's looking for balance or homeostasis, and so we have
<v Speaker 1>this mechanism where we might go and confabulate something to
<v Speaker 1>fill in the gap. So you know, uh, the guy
<v Speaker 1>from I think it was Arizona, trying to think of
<v Speaker 1>his name, that was zapped by the high power line,
<v Speaker 1>it was that Travis Walton I believe, uh claimed that
<v Speaker 1>he was you know, abducted and all that, but you know,
<v Speaker 1>and and and and maybe he was you know, fire
<v Speaker 1>in the sky I think was the book in the
<v Speaker 1>motion picture. But uh, but he probably was abducted. But
<v Speaker 1>maybe you know, there's some scientific skeptics that say, no,
<v Speaker 1>you know that when he was zapped by the electricity,
<v Speaker 1>there was a gap, there, an emptiness, and what he
<v Speaker 1>did was he confabulated and he created something that made
<v Speaker 1>sense to him. So that could have been his experience.
<v Speaker 1>But again, this is the paranormal realm. You know, we
<v Speaker 1>don't know the scientific basis yet, and that's what we're doing.
<v Speaker 1>We're trying to find the connection, and I think a
<v Speaker 1>lot of the paranormal is connected to the scientific we
<v Speaker 1>just don't know the cause and effect. For example, you
<v Speaker 1>drop an apple and you see the apple dropping. That's
<v Speaker 1>the effect and the cause. We know the cause. It's
<v Speaker 1>it's Newton's theory of gravity. You know, drop a ball
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to or an orange or so we
<v Speaker 1>know that one. But when you see lights in the
<v Speaker 1>sky or cryptids or all that stuff, we don't know
<v Speaker 1>what the scientific cause and effect is. There probably is one,
<v Speaker 1>there may be one, but at this point we don't know,
<v Speaker 1>and we're trying to figure that out. And the bottom
<v Speaker 1>line is that pretty much three percent of these anomalies
<v Speaker 1>are unexplainable. And you know, the government is saying that
<v Speaker 1>now in twenty twenty five. But I liked, you know,
<v Speaker 1>one of the things I do, one of my pastimes
<v Speaker 1>is I'll get on YouTube and I'll watch a a
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties, you know, black and white sci fi movie,
<v Speaker 1>just because I mean, I love the special effects and everything.
<v Speaker 1>But I was watching Earth versus the Flying Saucers, and
<v Speaker 1>that's this Roy Harry Houlsen who did all the special
<v Speaker 1>affection of the stop motion effects, which is and he
<v Speaker 1>was just wonderful with you know, Jason and the Argonauts.
<v Speaker 1>And I think it came from twenty twenty million years
<v Speaker 1>or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, in Earth Versus the Flying Saucers, there's this scientist.
<v Speaker 1>He starts off the program by talking about there's life
<v Speaker 1>and other planets and all this other stuff, and then
<v Speaker 1>he goes, three percent of the things that we see
<v Speaker 1>we cannot explain. And that was back in like maybe
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty seven, and it's that same three percent today,
<v Speaker 1>which I think is just like wild you know. I
<v Speaker 1>mean that part hasn't changed. I mean, people are seeing
<v Speaker 1>things and experiencing things and we can't figure out what
<v Speaker 1>they are. So you know, that's why we're here. That's
<v Speaker 1>why we're talking. We're trying to figure out, you know,
<v Speaker 1>what makes sense? What what could this be all about?
<v Speaker 2>You know?
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, that's that. But that was the Earth Force
<v Speaker 1>Versus the Flying Saucers. You can watch it free tonight
<v Speaker 1>on YouTube.
<v Speaker 3>So what's the biggest obstacle? Then whenever it comes to
<v Speaker 3>bigfoot and bigfoot research.
<v Speaker 1>Well, the wars, there's war's going on with the scientific
<v Speaker 1>community and uh bigfooters, you know, they think that we're
<v Speaker 1>just foolish people. We're zealous, you know, we're just chasing uh,
<v Speaker 1>you know, fairies and chasing you know, uh, you know, unicorns.
<v Speaker 1>So they don't believe anything that we do. So we
<v Speaker 1>need to go in approach this from a more scientific basis. Uh,
<v Speaker 1>maybe taking eyewitness reports and and and doing this, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like if somebody has seen one, uh, take down that narrative,
<v Speaker 1>write it down time place, you know, uh, trees that
<v Speaker 1>were close to you, you know, uh, you know, uh,
<v Speaker 1>you know, gauging how tall or how big this creature was,
<v Speaker 1>how long you saw all that? So I mean that
<v Speaker 1>kind of data, that kind of detail is important. So
<v Speaker 1>at least we have something there. So we have to
<v Speaker 1>just be more diligent in our reporting. I think that's
<v Speaker 1>the one thing. The other thing is that we have
<v Speaker 1>to go and stop fighting between each other. And you know,
<v Speaker 1>you have the sasquatchers that are the flesh and blood
<v Speaker 1>sasquatchers who are looking for those bodies, and then you
<v Speaker 1>have people like me that you know, are more into
<v Speaker 1>the inner dimensional theory and.
<v Speaker 2>Uh, and there's a bit of a war.
<v Speaker 1>You know. They call us wooers, you know, I've been
<v Speaker 1>called doctor wu because you know, because I don't I
<v Speaker 1>don't really believe in the flesh and blood thing. But
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's what I mean. You know, this is
<v Speaker 1>the road I've chosen to take, and they have theirs.
<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot of different camps. There seems to
<v Speaker 1>be a lot of you know, back and forth and
<v Speaker 1>name calling and you know, and uh, you know, at
<v Speaker 1>some point we got to go and just get this
<v Speaker 1>right and get on the same page. But right now
<v Speaker 1>we're just trying to find a way and figure this out.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think you have enough people there that
<v Speaker 1>are approaching this, you know, like academics, and I think
<v Speaker 1>we need more of that. I just you know, I
<v Speaker 1>just talk to some of these people and they're almost
<v Speaker 1>like knuckle draggers. They're not elevating or paranormal genre to
<v Speaker 1>a higher level. And they just and they you know,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, articulate speak, the King's English, give
<v Speaker 1>us the documentation, the details, you know, do all of that,
<v Speaker 1>do the right do it the right way. And but
<v Speaker 1>but again, you know, you may disagree with me, but
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's why.
<v Speaker 3>Now I totally agree, and I think it needs to
<v Speaker 3>happen on both sides of the line, whether it's a
<v Speaker 3>flesh and blood belief or a quote unquote wool belief
<v Speaker 3>or paranormal belief. I think both sides need to up
<v Speaker 3>their gain quite a bit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And and so you know, by doing that, I
<v Speaker 1>think that we're gonna find some kind of common ground
<v Speaker 1>and then go from there.
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, but I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but I just have such a fascination for
<v Speaker 1>all things paranormal, you know, whether it's you know, cryptids
<v Speaker 1>or flying saucers or you know, demonology and all that.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just like fascinating stuff. And human beings
<v Speaker 1>do this. We search for answers. We got to find
<v Speaker 1>find something, and that's that's what we're doing. And I
<v Speaker 1>think that, you know, this is you know, the driving thing,
<v Speaker 1>the driving motivator for probably all of us. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>we don't do it for money, you know, I don't
<v Speaker 1>know anybody that's making a whole lot of money with this.
<v Speaker 1>We don't do it for the notoriety, you know, because
<v Speaker 1>it works like this. There's my universal law of ninety
<v Speaker 1>In any situation, thirty percent of the people are going
<v Speaker 1>to love you they're going to love your light. They
<v Speaker 1>like what you represent, your attitude, your energy, your aptitude,
<v Speaker 1>all that. Thirty percent are not going to like you
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason. They don't like the way you sound,
<v Speaker 1>the way you come off. You're too mouthy, too arrogant
<v Speaker 1>to opinionate it. They're not going to like it. Thirty
<v Speaker 1>percent are out there and maybe they're thinking about, you know,
<v Speaker 1>their bills to pay or filling up the car with
<v Speaker 1>gas or whatever. But you know, you got thirty, thirty
<v Speaker 1>and thirty On a good day, you have sixty percent
<v Speaker 1>of the people that have your back and may be
<v Speaker 1>supporters of you. But you know you're not going to
<v Speaker 1>get a fifty percent. You know, in any vote, you
<v Speaker 1>never get fifty percent of the vote. So you could
<v Speaker 1>expect to pushback, could you could expect, you know, things
<v Speaker 1>to go sideways. But again, you know there's more good
<v Speaker 1>things happening than not. And as long as it's two
<v Speaker 1>steps forward and only one back, you know you're still
<v Speaker 1>making progress. So you know, but uh, you know, when
<v Speaker 1>you're out there, when you're a sort of a public figure,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm kind of like that, I mean, like a tiny,
<v Speaker 1>tiny little public figure, but I mean people will still
<v Speaker 1>take their shots, you know.
<v Speaker 2>So that's just the way it is.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you uh, put out, you know, put out
<v Speaker 1>your opinion and you state what you think, and then
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be people that you know, I was
<v Speaker 1>on George Norrea's Coast to Coast last Halloween and this
<v Speaker 1>guy got on my website and he blasted me. Man,
<v Speaker 1>he did not like some of the stuff that he
<v Speaker 1>thought was well anyway he thought, you know, against what
<v Speaker 1>he believed. But he wasn't asky man. I'm glad he
<v Speaker 1>wasn't packing, and I'm glad he didn't have a gun.
<v Speaker 1>So god, yeah, man might have been like a dead
<v Speaker 1>or wounded paranormal author.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean, that's definitely one of the traits
<v Speaker 3>that's severely lacking in all aspects of society these days,
<v Speaker 3>it seems, is the ability to be okay with someone
<v Speaker 3>believing something you don't or thinking differently than you do,
<v Speaker 3>or having a different opinion.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well, one thing that we've learned with this last election
<v Speaker 1>and the one before and the one before that, is
<v Speaker 1>watch who you talk politics with, because if they're on
<v Speaker 1>another side, just don't talk politics, because I mean, if
<v Speaker 1>you want to keep maintaining that friendship, then just don't
<v Speaker 1>talk politics, talk about everything else, you know. And I
<v Speaker 1>know people that are like that. I mean, we're totally
<v Speaker 1>different with our political slant, and so we just don't
<v Speaker 1>talk the politics because that would be that would just
<v Speaker 1>harm the relationship.
<v Speaker 3>So but Bigfoot is definitely very political whenever you get
<v Speaker 3>involved in the community and the research aspect of it
<v Speaker 3>and everything. The parallels to the police world are just
<v Speaker 3>obvious and upfront.
<v Speaker 1>The one thing that I've heard people will ask me,
<v Speaker 1>you know, what's the government hiding? Are they trying to
<v Speaker 1>keep us away from Bigfoot? Because there's like logging rights
<v Speaker 1>or mineral rights or bigfoots on these lands that they
<v Speaker 1>want to own or things like that, And it's just
<v Speaker 1>like it really gets convoluted fast. And I have haven't
<v Speaker 1>been able to sink my teeth into that conspiracy theory
<v Speaker 1>because I really don't understand it. But I don't think
<v Speaker 1>the government is withholding anything from us. I think Bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>is our own domain. It's ours, you know, to do
<v Speaker 1>with whatever we want. And you know, so I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I will be for your listeners, if there's
<v Speaker 1>anybody there in the Pennsylvania New York, Ohio area.
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be at the eighteenth.
<v Speaker 1>Annual Butler Paranormal Conference on April the twenty sixth, and
<v Speaker 1>I'll be doing the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot. That'll be
<v Speaker 1>my presentation, and we're getting a really good response at
<v Speaker 1>this point, so I think that's going to be a
<v Speaker 1>really big one, and you know, looking.
<v Speaker 2>Forward to that.
<v Speaker 1>And also I'll be down in O'calla on April the
<v Speaker 1>fifth at the o'calla Bigfoot Expo here down in here
<v Speaker 1>in Florida, which draws thousands of people, and that's another
<v Speaker 1>big one, so I'll have a booth there. I won't
<v Speaker 1>be a guest speaker, but maybe next year. But anyway,
<v Speaker 1>so I have a busy twenty twenty five ahead of me.
<v Speaker 1>And then one other thing that I'll be finishing my
<v Speaker 1>next book, and that's Paranormal Apocalypse. Is this how it ends?
<v Speaker 1>And I take a look at all those fortune tellers
<v Speaker 1>and soothsayers and those people, those doomsday people that claim
<v Speaker 1>that the end of the world is right around the corner.
<v Speaker 1>I talk about the four Horsemen of the apost I
<v Speaker 1>talk about revelations that you know, we're all going to die,
<v Speaker 1>but before we die, We're going to suffer.
<v Speaker 3>I can check that one off.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, so there's going to be some doom and gloom,
<v Speaker 1>but it has a happy ending. But you know, again,
<v Speaker 1>this was just something I started to think about and
<v Speaker 1>put together, and I think it's going to be pretty
<v Speaker 1>interesting because this is new territory.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, most.
<v Speaker 1>Of the books they write about cryptozoology or flying sorficers
<v Speaker 1>or demonology, but not the apocalypse. And so this is
<v Speaker 1>where my next book, the Paranormal Apocalypse, is this how
<v Speaker 1>it ends.
<v Speaker 2>So that's the one I'll.
<v Speaker 1>Finish this summer and that'll be.
<v Speaker 2>Published by Hangar one Publishers.
<v Speaker 3>And now where can all your material be found? Of
<v Speaker 3>some he wants to purchase a book and check it out?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you could find Lost Tribes of Bigfoot and Corege
<v Speaker 1>and who do and all the rest Flying Celsirestltic on
<v Speaker 1>Amazon dot com. My name is Maxim Furick. If you
<v Speaker 1>are e K and you could also if you want
<v Speaker 1>an autograph copy if any of my books, check me
<v Speaker 1>out on my website www dot Maximfurick dot com and
<v Speaker 1>just email me and we'll work something out to get
<v Speaker 1>you an autograph copy. At a good price, better than
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bezos and Amazon. One last thing I tell you
<v Speaker 1>to all your listeners. You know, if you're going to
<v Speaker 1>buy books, if you can support your local libraries, support
<v Speaker 1>your local bookstores, and support your local authors. You know,
<v Speaker 1>Corporate America doesn't need your bucks, you know, but we do.
<v Speaker 1>So just think about that. I mean, you know, God
<v Speaker 1>bless them. But Jeff Bezos is a billionaire twice over.
<v Speaker 1>And even though my books are on Amazon, you know,
<v Speaker 1>Jeff's a pretty good businessman. He gets uh, he gets
<v Speaker 1>the money, the revenue.
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I make my money when people buy books
<v Speaker 2>for me. And but again, it's not about making the money.
<v Speaker 1>It's just about you know, getting the word out there,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and making your cost and you know,
<v Speaker 1>getting in the blacks. So but anyway, that's that's that
<v Speaker 1>Maximpure dot com. Uh. I hope your listeners enjoyed the chat.
<v Speaker 1>I hope I wasn't too too for both and.
<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. I've enjoyed it. I'm sure they will. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>we'll be speaking again in the future for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well yeah, well, thank you so much. I
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate this is great, so, you know, thank you
<v Speaker 1>so much and and good luck with the podcast. And
<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping, you know, it's hoping that you're around for
<v Speaker 1>a long long time. Yeah, Bigfoot Crossroads is a pretty
<v Speaker 1>amazing thing.
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<v Speaker 3>else you can't explain, and you'd like to share your
<v Speaker 3>story on the podcast, send me an email at Bigfoot
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<v Speaker 3>And until next time, remember there's something in the woods.