MY BROTHER RAN INTO A BIGFOOT CREATURE IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST (OREGON STATE) WE ALL SAW IT!!!

<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast. On
<v Speaker 1>this episode, we have Michelle from the state of Oregon
<v Speaker 1>and she had some bigfoot encounters that took place many
<v Speaker 1>years ago on the Pacific Northwest coast. When people think
<v Speaker 1>of the existence of bigfoot, they generally think of the
<v Speaker 1>Pacific Northwest and it's an excellent place for sasquatch to
<v Speaker 1>live at and there's a lot of sighting reports that
<v Speaker 1>come out of the area, and I think it would
<v Speaker 1>be an excellent place for people to do research. Of course,
<v Speaker 1>it's very vast and it would be easy to get
<v Speaker 1>lost and for something to go wrong. There's a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people out there who have interacted with sasquatch in
<v Speaker 1>the state of Oregon, and it seems like these creatures
<v Speaker 1>like to give people and leave very intricate things behind,
<v Speaker 1>such as woven toys made out of sticks. And the
<v Speaker 1>stories from Mount Saint Helen are just mind blowing and
<v Speaker 1>it makes me one why they named Ape Canyon Ape Canyon,
<v Speaker 1>And you know, a lot of those names are here
<v Speaker 1>in Missouri as well as far as like the Devil's
<v Speaker 1>Backbone or Monkey Mountain, and it makes you wonder why
<v Speaker 1>these places have these names set in place. If you
<v Speaker 1>guys enjoy bigfoot encounters on Sasquatch Theory, please be sure
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<v Speaker 1>down below. And of course, if you have a bigfooter
<v Speaker 1>or crypted encounter that you would like to report to
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<v Speaker 1>outlook dot com. All right, with all that being said,
<v Speaker 1>let's dive into Michelle's bigfoot encounters from the state of Oregon.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Michelle, welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you
<v Speaker 1>doing today.
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing very well and how are you.
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing excellent. Thank you so much for asking and
<v Speaker 1>it's a pleasure to have you on the show. Michelle,
<v Speaker 1>If you would tell me a little bit about yourself,
<v Speaker 1>where you're from, and your bigfoot encounters and experiences from
<v Speaker 1>the very beginning, please.
<v Speaker 2>I was born in Silverton, Oregon, and lived on my
<v Speaker 2>grandparents' farm for the first six months of my life
<v Speaker 2>while my dad was serving in the Air Force in Alaska,
<v Speaker 2>and my mom lived on the farm and then primarily
<v Speaker 2>lived in Portland for a short time, but actually grew
<v Speaker 2>up in Gresham, Oregon, and my siblings. My brothers were
<v Speaker 2>born in California during the two years we were there,
<v Speaker 2>and then I came back and my sister was born
<v Speaker 2>in Portland, and we primarily as a family, spent a
<v Speaker 2>couple of years in Portland, a couple of years in Silverton,
<v Speaker 2>Oregon as a young family, but then starting in nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy three, we spent the rest of our living growing
<v Speaker 2>up years in Gresham and my dad worked really, really
<v Speaker 2>hard and we were kind of lower middle class. Every
<v Speaker 2>year he always made sure that we got to go
<v Speaker 2>to the beach at least twice a year, always in
<v Speaker 2>July and a week in August. And I think that
<v Speaker 2>this was probably the beginning of our bigfoot experiences, but
<v Speaker 2>we didn't realize it at the time until we became
<v Speaker 2>older adults. But I'll just tell you that we would
<v Speaker 2>go to Beverly Beach State Park, which is down and
<v Speaker 2>around the central part of the coast of Oregon. It's
<v Speaker 2>between Lincoln City and Newport, and the place has now
<v Speaker 2>changed very much. The area that was the rainforest area
<v Speaker 2>where we hung out is now collapsed. It no longer there,
<v Speaker 2>but it was a restricted area. There was a sign
<v Speaker 2>that said restricted do not enter. It was about two
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards from our camp site from the main camping areas.
<v Speaker 2>And this was the only state park that we went
<v Speaker 2>to that had three forest rangers that were always on
<v Speaker 2>duty in a cart traveling around the campsites and also
<v Speaker 2>walking through the camp area at night. We could never
<v Speaker 2>figure out why, but we thought that was really interesting
<v Speaker 2>that they were always on patrol. When we went to
<v Speaker 2>Fort Stevens on occasion, there was never that kind of
<v Speaker 2>patrol going on, but always at Beverly Beach State Park
<v Speaker 2>there were three shifts, always patrolling. Now, we found this
<v Speaker 2>restricted area and we didn't see the sign. We were kids,
<v Speaker 2>and we just climbed about a forty five degree angle
<v Speaker 2>to climb up this area. And it was a Pacific
<v Speaker 2>rainforest area. It was beautiful. The only thing different about
<v Speaker 2>it was it was dead silent. It was just dead silent.
<v Speaker 2>There were no bird sounds, no insect sounds, insects sounds,
<v Speaker 2>and it was just a very quiet place. And we
<v Speaker 2>were very overdisciplined children growing up in a really strict household,
<v Speaker 2>grew up in the church. We were not allowed to
<v Speaker 2>talk in the car when we went for drives. We
<v Speaker 2>were told to be quiet. So if you can imagine
<v Speaker 2>four kids not allowed to make noises for up to
<v Speaker 2>two hours. We were just that disciplined. So when we
<v Speaker 2>went into this area, we were very quiet. We didn't
<v Speaker 2>touch the We saw these big grassy nests, we didn't
<v Speaker 2>touch them. We just looked at them with interest. We
<v Speaker 2>saw these a frame type shaped trees that were bent
<v Speaker 2>and put together funny, and we couldn't figure out what
<v Speaker 2>that was, but we just thought maybe an artist had
<v Speaker 2>been up there and put those together. We didn't realize
<v Speaker 2>until watching documentaries as adults that that's things that bigfoot do.
<v Speaker 2>But we didn't know that that's what those were. We
<v Speaker 2>just admired them. It was really quiet, and I think
<v Speaker 2>the first thing we heard was a whoop whoop sound,
<v Speaker 2>and my brothers, being mischievous, whoop whooped back, and whatever
<v Speaker 2>this thing was, we thought it was a person. Whoop
<v Speaker 2>whooped back. And then there was wood knocking, and my
<v Speaker 2>brothers developed a code where they would would knock twice,
<v Speaker 2>would knock once, and would knock three three, three times.
<v Speaker 2>This is a pattern they developed and whatever whoever this
<v Speaker 2>was would copy that, and so we did that every
<v Speaker 2>time we went into this what we called our secret
<v Speaker 2>area that we went up there and there were no
<v Speaker 2>people up there. It was just us and there were
<v Speaker 2>there were a couple of deer that would come up
<v Speaker 2>to Sheldon, my brother Sheldon, who was the youngest of
<v Speaker 2>the identical twins, and would come up to Sheldon actually
<v Speaker 2>snip him out and he would pet him. And those
<v Speaker 2>are the only animals I recall really seeing up there.
<v Speaker 2>It was like everything else is really quiet, and we
<v Speaker 2>would make our way to the edge of this rainforest
<v Speaker 2>area where we could we were on the headland where
<v Speaker 2>we could see the ocean, and we would sit there
<v Speaker 2>for hours and just watch the ocean because it was
<v Speaker 2>soothing to us. Because we were abuse children in a
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood that was predominantly white, but all around us was different,
<v Speaker 2>different races, but primarily black. And this was during a
<v Speaker 2>time in Portland in the sixties and early seventies where
<v Speaker 2>we got beat up a lot. There was a lot
<v Speaker 2>of racism and it was really hard growing up in
<v Speaker 2>that area and it was just a lot of racial
<v Speaker 2>tension and we were taught to just not see color.
<v Speaker 2>We were taught that everybody is important in Jesus's eyes,
<v Speaker 2>and so we didn't fight back but we got beat
<v Speaker 2>up a lot. So when we went to the beach,
<v Speaker 2>it was a vacation from everything, and so we went
<v Speaker 2>up into this rainforest area that was so quiet, it
<v Speaker 2>was so soothing, and our mom knew that we would
<v Speaker 2>go up in this area, and our dad did. And
<v Speaker 2>they gave us lunches peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and
<v Speaker 2>we set them on this stump and we were going
<v Speaker 2>to come back later and eat them, and they were gone.
<v Speaker 2>The whole sack was gone, and in its place was
<v Speaker 2>these shells and these rocks, and we thought, oh, our
<v Speaker 2>first thought was a homeless camper took them and didn't
<v Speaker 2>have any money and gave us these, you know, trinkets.
<v Speaker 2>So we told our parents about it, and our parents
<v Speaker 2>felt sorry for this homeless camper. So when we were
<v Speaker 2>going to go up, you know, the next afternoon to
<v Speaker 2>our you know, what we call our secret place, they
<v Speaker 2>gave us extra lunches to put up on the stump,
<v Speaker 2>and we kept ours with us, and then we put
<v Speaker 2>this lunches on the stump and sure enough they were.
<v Speaker 2>We did our whoop whoops, and then we did our
<v Speaker 2>wood knocks, and then we went about our business. But
<v Speaker 2>We didn't touch the nests or anything that we saw
<v Speaker 2>and just went right to the area where we could
<v Speaker 2>see the beach. And when we were done for the
<v Speaker 2>for the day, we came back by the stump and
<v Speaker 2>the lunches were taken, and again there were these fossil
<v Speaker 2>rocks and shells and twisted kind of little twig things
<v Speaker 2>that were left in its place. Now realize we would
<v Speaker 2>come in July for a week, we'd come in August
<v Speaker 2>for a week, and this is our pattern for almost
<v Speaker 2>twelve years doing this, and we had no clue we
<v Speaker 2>were entertaining anything. But the interesting thing that I think
<v Speaker 2>about now as an adult is we would climb down
<v Speaker 2>and the forest ranger would be standing there saying, what
<v Speaker 2>are you guys doing up there? Do you know it's restricted?
<v Speaker 2>He showed us the sign and I said, well, we're
<v Speaker 2>just going up there to watch the ocean, and he said,
<v Speaker 2>oh okay, and my brother said yeah, we do the
<v Speaker 2>whoop whoops and somebody whoop whoops back, and the ranger
<v Speaker 2>just turned ten shades shades of white and looked at
<v Speaker 2>us like, are you guys crazy? And we said, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing going on up there. There's just a homeless
<v Speaker 2>camper we're feeding. We told him what we were doing
<v Speaker 2>and what happened, and this guy just got really upset
<v Speaker 2>and he says, where are your parents? And he told
<v Speaker 2>our parents what was going on. They said, yeah, so
<v Speaker 2>says there somebody up there that they should be afraid of.
<v Speaker 2>Well no, well no, I guess everything's okay. He never
<v Speaker 2>told us anything about anything being up there, which I,
<v Speaker 2>as an adult now I find kind of disturbing because
<v Speaker 2>if he thought there was a big foot up there,
<v Speaker 2>he should have told my parents. But I guess they
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to keep everything quiet. And you know, they
<v Speaker 2>finally got to know us when we come every year.
<v Speaker 2>It was the same rangers most of the time. We
<v Speaker 2>got to know them and they say, oh, it's three children,
<v Speaker 2>and they'd watch us go up there, and then we'd
<v Speaker 2>come back down and we were just rinning and smiling,
<v Speaker 2>having had a nice afternoon. And this went on for
<v Speaker 2>years and we never realized it. So now in nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy four, it's about the best I can recall. It
<v Speaker 2>was probably about August, and I've looked up the BFRO
<v Speaker 2>report and found one about was made about three days
<v Speaker 2>after our incident. Because there were reports on this. We
<v Speaker 2>went to a place my dad's military friends said that
<v Speaker 2>they found a new lake in the mount Hood National Forest.
<v Speaker 2>The corp of Engineers were working on making a new
<v Speaker 2>camping and fishing and overnight use area, day use area,
<v Speaker 2>and they found this lake and my dad called it
<v Speaker 2>lost Lake. But I don't think that that's what the
<v Speaker 2>name of the lake was, because there was already a
<v Speaker 2>lost lake on Mountain Mountain Wooded National Forests at Big Place.
<v Speaker 2>So this is just a small lake they found with
<v Speaker 2>big fish in it. It was a pristine lake. And
<v Speaker 2>we drove we probably got about seven to ten thousand
<v Speaker 2>mile ten thousand foot level on the mountain and on
<v Speaker 2>a dirt road. We left. The paved roads were on
<v Speaker 2>a dirt road. Finally, that's what I can recall. I
<v Speaker 2>was about eleven years old, and my brothers were nine,
<v Speaker 2>and my sister, she was about I think four four
<v Speaker 2>years old. She stayed with my parents while they laid
<v Speaker 2>out a tailgate picnic, and my brothers and I went
<v Speaker 2>down a game trail and you could see the lake.
<v Speaker 2>My dad wanted to fish out of it, but couldn't
<v Speaker 2>get close enough because it was about a three foot
<v Speaker 2>area around it that had a lot of brush and
<v Speaker 2>stuff still around it. And they went down the game trail,
<v Speaker 2>and I stayed by the lake, and I was interested
<v Speaker 2>in looking at the fish because I'd never seen fish
<v Speaker 2>that big before in my life. There must have been
<v Speaker 2>about two to three feet in the link, and I
<v Speaker 2>was just looking around and Shannon and Sheldon went down
<v Speaker 2>the game trail. Well, they were kind of run. Shannon
<v Speaker 2>was running because he was a runner. And Shannon couldn't
<v Speaker 2>talk about this with me until about forty years later
<v Speaker 2>because he was so shocked by what happened. And he
<v Speaker 2>and I recently talked about this. I'm now sixty two
<v Speaker 2>years old and he's sixty and we finally had a
<v Speaker 2>conversation about this about a month ago and he was
<v Speaker 2>able to tell me in detail, and this is what
<v Speaker 2>he told me. He said, I was running down the
<v Speaker 2>game trail and I tripped and I kind of flew
<v Speaker 2>through the air and I landed on something, and he says,
<v Speaker 2>I basically did a face plant into the chest of
<v Speaker 2>what I now know was a female bigfoot, actually into
<v Speaker 2>its chest. My feet were kicking in the air, and
<v Speaker 2>she was squatted using the bathroom. I think she was
<v Speaker 2>taking a crap, and she lifted me up in the
<v Speaker 2>air with her hands, with her hands, and she was
<v Speaker 2>looking at me in the face, and he says, at
<v Speaker 2>the time, I was so shocked. I don't know if
<v Speaker 2>I was scared yet, but I was looking at her
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what she was. I realized she
<v Speaker 2>wasn't human. And she tried to smile at me like
<v Speaker 2>her like her lips went into kind of like a
<v Speaker 2>kind of a curl, like a smile. I could see
<v Speaker 2>her teeth, and her eyes were really big, and they
<v Speaker 2>were brown, and she had orange orange brown hair. And
<v Speaker 2>she made this sound like she was trying to laugh
<v Speaker 2>for or make a chuckle, is what he remembers, like
<v Speaker 2>she was seeing the humor in the situation. As a child,
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't figure it out, but as an adult he's
<v Speaker 2>looking back at his memories and said, it was like
<v Speaker 2>she was trying to see the humor that he landed
<v Speaker 2>on her like that, and she lifted him up in
<v Speaker 2>the air and just studied him, and then she gently
<v Speaker 2>set him down on the ground and they had eye
<v Speaker 2>contact for a few more seconds. And then and finally
<v Speaker 2>his flighter fight or flight kicked in and he said,
<v Speaker 2>he just turned around and ran and then it finally
<v Speaker 2>kicked in. He started crying. And my twin brothers are
<v Speaker 2>developmentally disabled and developmentally delayed and didn't talk till they
<v Speaker 2>were five, and uh, this twin is actually mentally challenged.
<v Speaker 2>While that happened to Shannon, Sheldon was skipping along the
<v Speaker 2>trail and he heard a sound and he turned toward
<v Speaker 2>a tree and saw a very hairy man peeing on
<v Speaker 2>a tree. And Sheldon, at first, he said, we talked
<v Speaker 2>about this about two months ago. And he said, at first,
<v Speaker 2>he was really offended. He thought, what are you doing?
<v Speaker 2>He said, our mom taught us that you don't pee
<v Speaker 2>out in public, and he thought, this man is being
<v Speaker 2>very rude, and he's naked. He was really incense that
<v Speaker 2>the idea this guy was naked, and he got mad.
<v Speaker 2>He was going to tell the guy, what are you
<v Speaker 2>doing out here pee and naked in the woods. And
<v Speaker 2>the other thing that got him was the guy had
<v Speaker 2>this ginormous penis. He'd never seen a penis that big
<v Speaker 2>in his life. And I know that sounds that's exactly
<v Speaker 2>what he said. And it scared him then because he thought,
<v Speaker 2>who has something that big? And then he looked up
<v Speaker 2>into its face and realized that that it wasn't human,
<v Speaker 2>and he thought to himself, you're not human, what are you?
<v Speaker 2>And he was so memorized, mesmerized by that, that he
<v Speaker 2>couldn't move for a moment. And then his brother Shannon
<v Speaker 2>came running by and said, we have to get out
<v Speaker 2>of here. There's things in the woods here. There's things
<v Speaker 2>in the woods here. We have to out of here.
<v Speaker 2>And he noticed his brother was crying and he was
<v Speaker 2>shocked looking at this thing that he was looking at.
<v Speaker 2>That he followed his brother and then he said, because
<v Speaker 2>Shannon was crying, he started crying and they're running, so
<v Speaker 2>now they're having this experience. Meanwhile, I'm at this small
<v Speaker 2>lake and I finally look up across the lake and
<v Speaker 2>it's only about fifty feet and I see this very
<v Speaker 2>tall brown thing. It's not a bear. It's too big,
<v Speaker 2>and it's standing on two feet and I'm looking at
<v Speaker 2>it and I'm not scared because i can't figure out
<v Speaker 2>what it is. And I'm staring at this thing and
<v Speaker 2>I noticed, okay, it's got long arms down past its waist.
<v Speaker 2>The shadow the sun is. It was a bright sunny
<v Speaker 2>day and it was standing in shadow, but there were
<v Speaker 2>sun dappling through the trees, so I could see the
<v Speaker 2>sun shining on parts of it. I noticed it had fingers,
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, okay, bears don't have fingers. We'd been
<v Speaker 2>to the zoo as kids, we'd seen bears, and so
<v Speaker 2>I knew that this wasn't a bear. It wasn't a monkey.
<v Speaker 2>It was too big. It reminded me of a monkey,
<v Speaker 2>but it was too big to be a monkey. It
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a gorilla because it wasn't shaped like a gorilla,
<v Speaker 2>but it was tall and had big shoulders. Its head
<v Speaker 2>was round. I couldn't see its eyes because it was
<v Speaker 2>just too far away, but I could see that its
<v Speaker 2>face was flat when the sun shined across it when
<v Speaker 2>the trees would move, and it was standing in a
<v Speaker 2>way that it was leaned up against the tree with
<v Speaker 2>his arm across the trees. His head was against it's
<v Speaker 2>had his head against his arm, standing in the pose
<v Speaker 2>with his one foot with the knee bent foot cocked up,
<v Speaker 2>just looking like a child that was going to play
<v Speaker 2>Ali Ali oxen free. That's what came into my mind,
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, that is so weird. And then it
<v Speaker 2>turned to face me, and I just noticed how long
<v Speaker 2>his arms were and I could see fingers. And I
<v Speaker 2>kept staring at this thing, looking at me. I'm looking
<v Speaker 2>at I'm looking at it, looking at me, looking at it,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I'm thinking, what are you. It's not
<v Speaker 2>making any move towards me. I don't feel threatened. I
<v Speaker 2>just am fascinated because I can't figure out what it is.
<v Speaker 2>And we didn't we weren't allowed to watch much TV.
<v Speaker 2>We were Our TV watching was really restricted, so we
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a really big fun and knowledge of anything
<v Speaker 2>strange or weird, so we never heard a big foot
<v Speaker 2>and up to this point. And about that time, my
<v Speaker 2>brothers came running down behind me, crying, you know, yelling
<v Speaker 2>we have to get out of here. There's things here.
<v Speaker 2>And I said, yeah, no kidding, and I turned to
<v Speaker 2>look at them, and then when I turned back, what
<v Speaker 2>I had been looking at was gone, and so I thought, okay,
<v Speaker 2>So I followed after my brothers and they were so
<v Speaker 2>upset that it upset me and I started crying. And
<v Speaker 2>by the time we got back to where my sister was,
<v Speaker 2>she heard us crying, so she started crying. And then
<v Speaker 2>my mom said something happened and at that point, the
<v Speaker 2>crickets quit making noise, the birds stopped chirping, and it
<v Speaker 2>got dead silent, and she said the hair raised up
<v Speaker 2>off the back of her neck, and she felt like
<v Speaker 2>something creepy was going on, and she had four crying children,
<v Speaker 2>and my brothers were trying to tell my dad they
<v Speaker 2>saw these creatures. And Dad said, no, you saw a bear.
<v Speaker 2>And about that time, a deer came running out of
<v Speaker 2>the down the game trail, out of the forested area
<v Speaker 2>like its tale was on fire. And Dad said, see
<v Speaker 2>the bear's scared of deer. And Shannon Sheldon said no, no, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 2>it's not bears. They're not bears. And I said no,
<v Speaker 2>I saw something too, Dad, not a bear. And we
<v Speaker 2>were just hysterical. We knew we had not seen bears.
<v Speaker 2>And Dad kept telling us, no, you saw bear. And
<v Speaker 2>Mom says, I don't care what they saw. Something's wrong.
<v Speaker 2>It's now dead silent. Now, Kimberly's creeped out. I'm creeped out.
<v Speaker 2>Let's get the heck out of here. So they packed
<v Speaker 2>up the lunch and we left. Three days later, on
<v Speaker 2>the TV news, on a local news and in the newspaper,
<v Speaker 2>there was a report that hunters and the workers, the
<v Speaker 2>corp of Engineer workers found these huge footprints and somebody
<v Speaker 2>had a sighting of this creature known to be bigfoot,
<v Speaker 2>and they showed a drawing on the TV set. All
<v Speaker 2>three of us, my brothers and myself pointed to the
<v Speaker 2>TV screens that that's what we saw. That's what we saw,
<v Speaker 2>and that's when we realized we'd seen a bigfoot, and
<v Speaker 2>our parents were just stupefied, and my mom never believed us.
<v Speaker 2>But my dad, who has a really good friend, owns
<v Speaker 2>a bigfoot museum to this today. Just recently he went
<v Speaker 2>to that museum, and now my dad's convinced that that's
<v Speaker 2>what we really did see, and now he believes us.
<v Speaker 2>And my dad agreed that I should go ahead and
<v Speaker 2>talk to you and tell you about our experiences because
<v Speaker 2>he now believes that we not only entertained a bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>in the rainforest, but that we did see that when
<v Speaker 2>we were children, and he's just fascinated that that happened,
<v Speaker 2>and he feels bad he never believed us when we
<v Speaker 2>were kids, because it caused my brothers to just clam
<v Speaker 2>up and not talk, and they couldn't talk about it
<v Speaker 2>for forty years, and my one brother became a bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>of ficiondo has big foot foot flippers, has books about
<v Speaker 2>bigfoots and became obsessed with bigfoot, and the other one
<v Speaker 2>developed PTSD over it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's incredible and scary at the same time. And
<v Speaker 1>I can see how this really affected your family. And
<v Speaker 1>you guys were certain that what you saw was no
<v Speaker 1>bear and it was absolutely one of these sasquatch creatures.
<v Speaker 1>And it's good that your dad ended up believe in
<v Speaker 1>you guys, and that the news validated these creatures were
<v Speaker 1>in the area. Someone found huge prints and a person
<v Speaker 1>had a big foot sighting. But yeah, it's unfortunate that
<v Speaker 1>one of your brothers got PTSD from this encounter. And
<v Speaker 1>I can see how that can happen. For sure, one
<v Speaker 1>person will be obsessed with the encounter and they want
<v Speaker 1>to go out there looking for these creatures, and the
<v Speaker 1>next person, you know, is terrified and they never want
<v Speaker 1>to go back into.
<v Speaker 3>The woods again.
<v Speaker 2>And that's what happened.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, before we talk about these two encounters, do
<v Speaker 1>you want to continue on with your experiences and anything
<v Speaker 1>else that you've had happen in your life.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting to note that I know you've discussed
<v Speaker 2>there are normal with some of the other people you've interviewed,
<v Speaker 2>and it's interesting. I've thought about this about our family
<v Speaker 2>and my brother Sheldon is very attractive to animals when
<v Speaker 2>animals were attracted to him. He has actually seen an
<v Speaker 2>angel in his lifetime, and I've seen an angel too,
<v Speaker 2>during a high period of stress when I lost my apartment,
<v Speaker 2>lost my job, and I wound up having to move
<v Speaker 2>back home as an adult in my thirties to my
<v Speaker 2>parents' house. And I was sleeping on a mattress on
<v Speaker 2>the floor in what they call their library one night,
<v Speaker 2>and I was just having a really rough time and
<v Speaker 2>I woke up, and when I woke up, there was
<v Speaker 2>this angel floating above me, and I remember acknowledging it
<v Speaker 2>in my sleep, saying, oh, an angel. And I was
<v Speaker 2>just so tired, but I was just filled with this
<v Speaker 2>sudden feeling of peace, and I went back to sleep.
<v Speaker 2>Hours later, I woke up and realized, oh, my gosh,
<v Speaker 2>I saw an angel. I saw an angel. And I
<v Speaker 2>remember talking to my pastor about it and my weakness
<v Speaker 2>about it, and they said, yes, that's totally possible that
<v Speaker 2>you did see an angel, because they do show themselves
<v Speaker 2>in times when you need to see them, and it
<v Speaker 2>just further cemented the reality to me that God is
<v Speaker 2>real and that angels are real. And when my brother
<v Speaker 2>experienced this, he too was having a high time of
<v Speaker 2>stress and experiencing a demonic attack at his job, where
<v Speaker 2>the owner insisted it was her dead father moving things
<v Speaker 2>around the employment where he worked, and he'd find things
<v Speaker 2>moved around during while he was working at night. Garbage
<v Speaker 2>cans would move themselves across the floor by themselves. He
<v Speaker 2>would find the coffee pot would move itself from the
<v Speaker 2>counter into the sinct and he was by himself, and
<v Speaker 2>he'd find cups that were he'd put up in the
<v Speaker 2>shelves they'd suddenly now be back down on the table.
<v Speaker 2>He was experiencing things like that, and he finally brought
<v Speaker 2>his Bible to work and prayed again, and then it stopped,
<v Speaker 2>and then he saw an angel. So he felt that
<v Speaker 2>God was finally protecting him against whatever was doing this
<v Speaker 2>crazy stuff at work. And whatever was doing that disappeared.
<v Speaker 2>And I actually got a phone call from this woman
<v Speaker 2>saying that her father had disappeared, and she blamed my
<v Speaker 2>brother for disturbing her father, and it finally came down.
<v Speaker 2>She will excuse me, But you know what, my brother
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to put up with that kind of paranormal activity,
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's best he doesn't work for you anymore.
<v Speaker 2>And he actually left that that employer. But I just
<v Speaker 2>thought that that was insane kind of stuff to put
<v Speaker 2>up with, to have stuff move around behind you. And
<v Speaker 2>he actually got smacked in the head with something too
<v Speaker 2>that was flying across the room, and that was my brother, Sheldon,
<v Speaker 2>and he told me it was a really wild experience.
<v Speaker 2>And he worked at the airport for a while and
<v Speaker 2>sometimes he would see groups of people walking toward him,
<v Speaker 2>and one of these figures slapped him on the face
<v Speaker 2>one time at work, and then he started praying against
<v Speaker 2>that and then it finally stopped. And I don't know
<v Speaker 2>why he's sensitive to that stuff, but apparently he is.
<v Speaker 2>And he can see angels and he can see demonic
<v Speaker 2>figures and he prays away the demonic figures and they
<v Speaker 2>go away. But he's able to see that stuff, and
<v Speaker 2>he's experienced that off and on throughout his life, and
<v Speaker 2>he tells me every once in a while he experiences that.
<v Speaker 2>So he goes many times a week to this place.
<v Speaker 2>It's run by the Roman Catholic Church and it's a
<v Speaker 2>bratto that they have that's a garden, and he goes
<v Speaker 2>there several times a week and to meditate because he
<v Speaker 2>gets disturbed by these things that he sees, and that's
<v Speaker 2>his routine so that he can fight back against these things.
<v Speaker 2>And that's his that's what he does. And he's a
<v Speaker 2>and he's the one that's the Bigfoot of Ficiando that
<v Speaker 2>really wants to know more about these creatures, why they exist,
<v Speaker 2>and what they are. And he's curious about them, and
<v Speaker 2>he believes that they're a real physical creature, and he
<v Speaker 2>believes that they're one of God's creatures and that they
<v Speaker 2>should be left alone. And I do too. And as
<v Speaker 2>far as my paranormal experiences, I've experienced a person that
<v Speaker 2>walked into my bedroom one night from the from the
<v Speaker 2>sidewalk into my room and sit next to my bed.
<v Speaker 2>He was dressed as a cowboy and a cowboy hat,
<v Speaker 2>shirt and pants, and I didn't know what he was
<v Speaker 2>or what he wanted, but in the name of Jesus Christ,
<v Speaker 2>I banished him from my room and he left, and
<v Speaker 2>then I saw him again outside and I banished him
<v Speaker 2>again from the property, and then people later said that
<v Speaker 2>the ghosts of the property had disappeared, and they described it,
<v Speaker 2>and it was the same thing that I had banished
<v Speaker 2>in the name of Jesus. So these things, as far
<v Speaker 2>as I understand them from my Bible, are not ghosts.
<v Speaker 2>They're actually demons masquerading around as dead people, and Christians
<v Speaker 2>are allowed to banish them, so I've done that. So
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I've seen these things. I just have.
<v Speaker 2>But I think probably the greatest paranormal experience I've ever
<v Speaker 2>had is one where I could have died. And I
<v Speaker 2>was writing in a car on Columbia River Highway and
<v Speaker 2>two cars came around a curve was less than a
<v Speaker 2>car link between us, and there was a red car
<v Speaker 2>and a red car with a white stripe racing stripe
<v Speaker 2>going down the top of the car and across the
<v Speaker 2>hood on my side, and there was nowhere to go,
<v Speaker 2>either a steep embankment or the mountain side. And I
<v Speaker 2>looked at my friend and I said, this is it.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to die. They were going about seventy miles
<v Speaker 2>an hour, we were traveling fifty, and I just closed
<v Speaker 2>my eyes and waited to die, and there was a
<v Speaker 2>snap and a sizzle sound in the air and a
<v Speaker 2>smell of sulfur. And I opened my eyes and the
<v Speaker 2>car that was on my side on the passenger side
<v Speaker 2>was suddenly all the way over on the driver's side,
<v Speaker 2>and the red car was still about on the quarter
<v Speaker 2>panel of my friends on the driver's side. And we
<v Speaker 2>don't know how that car was magically somehow on the
<v Speaker 2>driver's side now ahead of the other car. It was
<v Speaker 2>like something lifted up and moved it. And we were
<v Speaker 2>traveling now at that point at three miles an hour.
<v Speaker 2>Because my friend had slammed on the brakes and she
<v Speaker 2>was like in a trance. It's like her eyes were open.
<v Speaker 2>She was in a trance. She couldn't respond, but she
<v Speaker 2>just the car kept moving. We traveled on to Crown Point,
<v Speaker 2>which is this beautiful lookout over the gorge between Washington
<v Speaker 2>State and Oregon, and I got out of the car
<v Speaker 2>and what pulled up beside us was two black SUVs
<v Speaker 2>with really high wheels so they could see over the
<v Speaker 2>top of our vehicle and beyond and I'm a monster
<v Speaker 2>truck behind that. It was an suv and a monster
<v Speaker 2>truck and these teens poured out and she had wet
<v Speaker 2>her pants, so she got closed out of the back
<v Speaker 2>the trunk. She had extra clothes and went into the
<v Speaker 2>bathroom at Crown Point to change. And these kids got
<v Speaker 2>out and they said, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 2>did you see the white hand. Did you see the
<v Speaker 2>white hand that picked up the car and moved it.
<v Speaker 2>We saw this big white hand come down out of
<v Speaker 2>the forest, out of the sky, pick up this car
<v Speaker 2>and they moved it beside your car. Did you see it?
<v Speaker 2>And they were all talking over each other talking about
<v Speaker 2>this big white hand that came down and picked up
<v Speaker 2>this car, nine of them nineteens. And I said, no,
<v Speaker 2>I had my eyes closed. I said, did you smell
<v Speaker 2>the sulfur? I said, I smelled the sulfur and heard
<v Speaker 2>the zap and the sizzle, and they said, yeah, it
<v Speaker 2>was a really loud snapping sound. And we all talked
<v Speaker 2>about this in the parking lot. And this one guy,
<v Speaker 2>his dad was a pastor, and he said, my old
<v Speaker 2>man's been telling me about God for years and I
<v Speaker 2>didn't believe him. Now he says, I believe that was
<v Speaker 2>the hand of God. That was the hand of God,
<v Speaker 2>or the hand of an angel something, and right there
<v Speaker 2>in the parking lot, they wanted to know if anybody
<v Speaker 2>had a Bible, and I had my Bible, and we
<v Speaker 2>had like a mini revival right there in the parking lot.
<v Speaker 2>Man and these teenagers were believing in Jesus Christ who
<v Speaker 2>were going through verses, and then they all decided they
<v Speaker 2>wanted to go to this kid's church and get baptized.
<v Speaker 2>And that was an enormous experience and I've never forgotten
<v Speaker 2>it because I would have died had this car just
<v Speaker 2>smacked at seventy miles an hour right into the car
<v Speaker 2>in front of me, and he just would have smacked
<v Speaker 2>and moved and died. There was just no other way
<v Speaker 2>around it. And so God saved my life. And these
<v Speaker 2>kids were witnessed to that. They saw this white hand,
<v Speaker 2>and the way they described it was just I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I wish I'd had my eyes open, but I was
<v Speaker 2>too chicken. I just wanted to I was just praying
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't feel the pain of being killed. And so
<v Speaker 2>that's probably one of the greatest things I've ever experienced,
<v Speaker 2>and I've just never forgotten it. And that was back
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty seven. It was August, it was about
<v Speaker 2>the last week of August, and it was a bright,
<v Speaker 2>sunny day and I just remember remember that clear as
<v Speaker 2>a bell. And I don't know if all these experiences
<v Speaker 2>are related. I have no idea, but I just know
<v Speaker 2>I've experienced them, and it's amazing. It's just amazing.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And thank God that he saved you guys and
<v Speaker 1>reached out and saved the the car full of teenagers,
<v Speaker 1>and that you guys weren't injured. I definitely believe that.
<v Speaker 1>And the fact that you described that sound and the
<v Speaker 1>smell that definitely sounds like something supernatural. And it's a
<v Speaker 1>miracle that you're still here today.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because we would have we would have been hit.
<v Speaker 2>It would have hit those teams and it would have
<v Speaker 2>been a chain reaction, so it would have been a major,
<v Speaker 2>major accident on the highway. It would have been just major.
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what happened to the other cars,
<v Speaker 2>if they recognize what happened or what. I never saw
<v Speaker 2>those two drivers that were raising each other, So to
<v Speaker 2>this day, I don't know what happened to them, what
<v Speaker 2>they believed. I don't know if they realized what happened
<v Speaker 2>to them. I don't know, but I know that these
<v Speaker 2>teenagers knew.
<v Speaker 3>And it was something, Yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 1>And you often hear people say I have no evidence
<v Speaker 1>that God exists. You know a lot of people just
<v Speaker 1>believe it because they read something that someone else wrote
<v Speaker 1>thousands of years ago. There's no evidence that he exists.
<v Speaker 1>But for the people that have an experience like this, like,
<v Speaker 1>how can you not believe in God? I think a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people out there in the world have had
<v Speaker 1>supernatural paranormal experiences or they have seen sasquatch, And how
<v Speaker 1>can you not believe in God when you see something
<v Speaker 1>that shouldn't exist, that defies logic, science and everything that
<v Speaker 1>you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I just believe that that sasquatch bigfoot is
<v Speaker 2>a creature that God created that just exists and it's
<v Speaker 2>part of his creation. I don't know why it exists.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, if you know it pre existed the flood,
<v Speaker 2>And when I read the Bible the flood, it pretty
<v Speaker 2>much states that killed everything except for the marine life,
<v Speaker 2>and that God gathered the animals for Noah two by
<v Speaker 2>two except for the clean animals there were seven and
<v Speaker 2>that then everything you know, came off the arc. They're
<v Speaker 2>on error rat and that then everything after its own
<v Speaker 2>kind reproduced and if somewhere in the DNA line of
<v Speaker 2>primates out emerged this sasquatch, which I believe is solely possible,
<v Speaker 2>you know, And I think the reason we may have
<v Speaker 2>not discovered until recently, although it's been in existence since
<v Speaker 2>the Native Americans. They talk about it, and there's the
<v Speaker 2>eddy and I believe this creature is everywhere that there's
<v Speaker 2>land mass where it can exist. I just think the
<v Speaker 2>reason people didn't start really modern man is because we
<v Speaker 2>haven't pushed back into the forest like we have and
<v Speaker 2>now we're living in its environment and now we're having
<v Speaker 2>contact with it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And it's very possible that the sasquatch were on
<v Speaker 1>the arc or perhaps people mentioned like the orbs and
<v Speaker 1>other dimensions. Maybe they went somewhere else, and it's too
<v Speaker 1>hard for me to speculate, but I definitely agree that
<v Speaker 1>God created everything, even you know, Satan has angels demons,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know if he directly created, but he
<v Speaker 1>is the author of everything, and he allowed it to
<v Speaker 1>happen for a reason.
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, Lucifer was created as a beautiful cherup on
<v Speaker 2>God's mountain, and Lucifer rebelled and once he was tossed
<v Speaker 2>down to the earth, then he became sane.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of people say that Lucifer is different
<v Speaker 1>than Satan, but I think it's the same thing.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not really sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if I've read the Bible cover to cover many
<v Speaker 2>many times and studying it since I was ten, and
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I'm sixty two now, and I made
<v Speaker 2>a hobby out of studying Genesis and creation science because
<v Speaker 2>I had a teacher when I was in great challenge
<v Speaker 2>me on evolution, and so I decided to study everything
<v Speaker 2>I could on evolution, including reading Darwin's theory. I've actually
<v Speaker 2>got the leather bound book on Darwin's theory and I've
<v Speaker 2>read that several times. And I've read read Genesis over
<v Speaker 2>and over and studied every aspect of hydrology, different factions
<v Speaker 2>of science on creationism and evolution, and there's more evidence
<v Speaker 2>for creation science than there is evolution. Evolution is really
<v Speaker 2>a theory. You can't really prove it. You can prove
<v Speaker 2>micro evolution, which is what creationism is, but you can't
<v Speaker 2>prove macro evolution, which is a fish turning into a mammal.
<v Speaker 2>You can't really prove that. But yet they make statements
<v Speaker 2>like that, Like they'll say the reason we have mammals
<v Speaker 2>is because whales got too close to shore and grew limbs.
<v Speaker 2>That's why once in a while you'll see a hind
<v Speaker 2>leg on a whale. Well, you know, I've been to
<v Speaker 2>the beach for years, Miguel, and I've never seen a
<v Speaker 2>whale with the hind leg. Okay, it just doesn't make
<v Speaker 2>sense to me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree.
<v Speaker 1>I think even in Darwin's book, towards the end, he
<v Speaker 1>says that none of this is actual prove and it's
<v Speaker 1>all speculation. But I think science used it as actual
<v Speaker 1>proof to try to change the narrative.
<v Speaker 2>And even Darwin himself, I've read biographies on Darwin. He
<v Speaker 2>actually asked his children to honor his wife's religion and
<v Speaker 2>to pray, so he wasn't a total non believer in God.
<v Speaker 2>He just wanted to prove his theory. And even he
<v Speaker 2>didn't know if he could prove his theory. And it
<v Speaker 2>does say that in his book that that someday science
<v Speaker 2>will become advanced enough to prove or disprove him that
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't prove his theory.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. I mean it can go two ways,
<v Speaker 1>Like when you study the universe or the oceans or
<v Speaker 1>other land masses. I think it can push you towards
<v Speaker 1>believing in God, like, wow, look at all this as
<v Speaker 1>you're studying it. You know, it just blows your mind.
<v Speaker 1>But other people go different direction where they say, oh,
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's got to be a reason why all
<v Speaker 1>this is here and we can recreate it.
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a lot of what I studied pushed
<v Speaker 1>me towards God, like wow, look how many stars are
<v Speaker 1>up there, Look how infinite the universe is. But another
<v Speaker 1>person can see that and say, you know, there's an answer,
<v Speaker 1>a mathematical answer to all this and it's all random.
<v Speaker 2>Now, it's you have to have all the amino acids
<v Speaker 2>present to create DNA. They can't just crawl out of
<v Speaker 2>primorial soup. The mathematical you know, I studied math in college.
<v Speaker 2>And the mathematical probabilities of that happening. You can take
<v Speaker 2>a watch and break into pieces, put it in a
<v Speaker 2>paper bag and shake it up, and the mathematical probabilities
<v Speaker 2>of that watch coming out in one piece. The mathematical
<v Speaker 2>probabilities are greater for that watch to come out in
<v Speaker 2>one piece than it is for all the amino acids
<v Speaker 2>come in line to form DNA. And when you think
<v Speaker 2>about that, because you know there's no way that watch
<v Speaker 2>is going to come out of a paper bag after
<v Speaker 2>you shake it up and come out in one piece,
<v Speaker 2>then you realize the idea of DNA just coming out
<v Speaker 2>in one piece to form life, it's not going to
<v Speaker 2>happen when you.
<v Speaker 3>Think about that, Yeah, I agree.
<v Speaker 2>Mathematics. Yeah, if they say the mathematical probabilities of the
<v Speaker 2>watch coming out are greater than the DNA coming out
<v Speaker 2>and forming.
<v Speaker 3>On its own, yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of what science talks about with the Big
<v Speaker 1>Bang just honestly sounds like what the Bible describes in
<v Speaker 1>Genesis when God said let there be light. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty much the same thing, just told in a
<v Speaker 1>different fashion.
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, it's just all these experiences have convinced me
<v Speaker 2>that God is very real. There's a very real spiritual world,
<v Speaker 2>a very real physical world. And you have to decide
<v Speaker 2>in your life which side are you going to stand on.
<v Speaker 2>Are you going to stand on the God's light? Are
<v Speaker 2>you going to stand on the other light. And you
<v Speaker 2>stand on the other light, you're going to be in
<v Speaker 2>trouble and you're going to be exposed to a lot
<v Speaker 2>of dark things. You stand on God's light, then your
<v Speaker 2>life is full of peace and hope. And that's the
<v Speaker 2>decision we have to make every day, is what side
<v Speaker 2>we're going to stand on. And I make the decision
<v Speaker 2>every day to stand on God's side. Yeah, And then
<v Speaker 2>I just hope for the best. And then we have
<v Speaker 2>these experiences and hopefully God is with us and walking
<v Speaker 2>with us, protecting us. And I just praise the Lord
<v Speaker 2>that when we had these experiences with Bigfoot, we were
<v Speaker 2>never harmed. We were never harmed. When we were in
<v Speaker 2>the rainforest, we didn't know what we were dealing with,
<v Speaker 2>and yet we were never hurt. We admired all the
<v Speaker 2>things we saw. We thought they were amazing. We didn't
<v Speaker 2>mess with them, we didn't touch them. We obviously we're
<v Speaker 2>communicating with something that we didn't know who we were
<v Speaker 2>communicating with. We left food for it. It was thankful
<v Speaker 2>for the food, and we just went about our business
<v Speaker 2>because you know, and it must have been you know,
<v Speaker 2>listening to other people talk about Bigfoot being compassionate, I
<v Speaker 2>think now as an adult looking back, that it may
<v Speaker 2>have recognized or felt that we were hurt children and
<v Speaker 2>that we were looking for a place of just solitude
<v Speaker 2>and peacefulness, and I think it led us alone.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does sound like it. And I feel like
<v Speaker 1>these creatures have an ability to sense individuals and what
<v Speaker 1>they're going through and possibly like their or o their
<v Speaker 1>energy or if they have like a disability.
<v Speaker 2>So I think that they. I think whatever whatever that
<v Speaker 2>was up there since that and probably appreciate the fact
<v Speaker 2>we left something for it. We didn't know we were
<v Speaker 2>doing that, We were ignorant, but we left something for it,
<v Speaker 2>and it was gratified by that. We communicated with it,
<v Speaker 2>and then we didn't mess with its structures or mess
<v Speaker 2>with its bed. We respected that because we were taught
<v Speaker 2>to respect things and respect the area that you're in,
<v Speaker 2>and I guess it receives that. So, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>were perfectly safe up there. We never had a bad experience,
<v Speaker 2>and we took our parents. And what's interesting, and I
<v Speaker 2>forgot to mention this is our parents wanted to go
<v Speaker 2>up there one time with us, so they did and
<v Speaker 2>my dad brought the dog. Now the dogs flipped out
<v Speaker 2>and would not walk. It was a docks and and
<v Speaker 2>my dad had to carry it up the side of
<v Speaker 2>the hill to get it up there, and Fritz would
<v Speaker 2>not walk. He was scared. He'd peed all over himself
<v Speaker 2>and laid on his back and just would not walk.
<v Speaker 2>My dad had to carry him. And my dad couldn't
<v Speaker 2>figure out what he was afraid of. And now I
<v Speaker 2>wonder if he sends the big foot up there.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, without a doubt.
<v Speaker 1>These animals are able to pick up on other creatures
<v Speaker 1>in the forest way better than we are. So that
<v Speaker 1>dog knew immediately that something was following you guys in
<v Speaker 1>the woods, something was nearby. And they can smell really
<v Speaker 1>good and a lot better than a human being. I've
<v Speaker 1>noticed here in Missouri, like when there's a bunch of
<v Speaker 1>turkeys around, the deer will hang out with them, and
<v Speaker 1>the turkeys have really good eyesight. But also when the
<v Speaker 1>turkeys are out in the woods, they can't smell as
<v Speaker 1>good as the deer. So when the deer pick up
<v Speaker 1>someone sent they'll make this like this snort sound or
<v Speaker 1>like they'll blow is what they call it, and it
<v Speaker 1>alerts all the other deer. So I think that helps
<v Speaker 1>the turkeys. And yeah, animals just have amazing senses.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every time, my dad, my dad and my mom
<v Speaker 2>came up a couple of different times with us, and
<v Speaker 2>every time they brought the dog, that was his reaction
<v Speaker 2>every time. Yeah, And my mom noticed how quiet it
<v Speaker 2>was and it kind of raised the hair on the
<v Speaker 2>back of her neck, so she didn't like to come
<v Speaker 2>up to that area. But my dad was curious and
<v Speaker 2>wanted to come up and see the ships, bring the
<v Speaker 2>binocular and look at the ocean and see the ships.
<v Speaker 2>And he remarked how quiet it was. And he didn't
<v Speaker 2>touch any of the stuff up there either, but we
<v Speaker 2>did a whoop whoop and a knock knock, and he
<v Speaker 2>was shocked at what answered back. And he was amused
<v Speaker 2>by that, but he thought it was a homeless camper. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And you guys were interacting with sasquatch the whole time
<v Speaker 1>and didn't know it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I so now that we're now that we're
<v Speaker 2>adults and older and so anyway, Yeah, that that just
<v Speaker 2>amazes me. I mean, we didn't realize this when we
<v Speaker 2>were children. And I saw my first Bigfoot documentary when
<v Speaker 2>I was thirty five, and I just looked at that
<v Speaker 2>and the hair raised in the back of my neck.
<v Speaker 2>I called my brothers and they said Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 2>They turned it on the TV and they said, I've
<v Speaker 2>seen this before, and Chandon said, I've seen this before.
<v Speaker 2>I said where where you think? We saw it at
<v Speaker 2>the beach and it just shocked us. It just shocked
<v Speaker 2>us all. Anyway, fast forward, I went to that same
<v Speaker 2>area here in twenty nineteen to go visit that same
<v Speaker 2>camp area, and that rainforest area is gone. It's been
<v Speaker 2>wiped out by a landslide and it's no longer there.
<v Speaker 2>I was so shocked. The camp area is totally different.
<v Speaker 2>The rainforest area has been wiped out, so whatever was
<v Speaker 2>there is probably not Their Bigfoot's probably not there now,
<v Speaker 2>because I think that was a special area where it
<v Speaker 2>hung out. And I was so shocked to see how
<v Speaker 2>different and everything has changed and the forest has been
<v Speaker 2>thinned out, and it just it just shocked me. I
<v Speaker 2>was hoping that it was still there and intact, and
<v Speaker 2>it's just gone and they've totally done some different construction
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, oh my gosh. And there wasn't a
<v Speaker 2>forest ranger to be found. Yeah, So I.
<v Speaker 1>Think that's why the restriction signs were in the area
<v Speaker 1>and why there were forest rangers walking around, especially on
<v Speaker 1>night time. That's unusual. It's like they were looking for
<v Speaker 1>something or protecting something.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I think, because we've never seen that ever
<v Speaker 2>other than there. And it was like that for the
<v Speaker 2>entire time over the years that we went camping there
<v Speaker 2>always and even at night there was patrols. They'd run
<v Speaker 2>into them when we went to use the They had
<v Speaker 2>flush toilets there and we would go up the trail
<v Speaker 2>to the flush toilets and I'd run into one of
<v Speaker 2>them and they're, you know there. They'd always been in
<v Speaker 2>priors or in trees and I thought, why we've never
<v Speaker 2>had that at at at at four Stevens, but always
<v Speaker 2>there they did.
<v Speaker 1>Did you notice if they had any equipment on them,
<v Speaker 1>anything unusual.
<v Speaker 2>The only thing I noticed is they always had their
<v Speaker 2>shovels and stuff. But it seemed like they had in
<v Speaker 2>their cart something under a blanket and I think it
<v Speaker 2>was a rifle. My dad won't swear to it, but
<v Speaker 2>I think they were hiding a rifle.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And these masts that you found in
<v Speaker 1>the area, can you describe them these structures.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were. They were a lot of There was
<v Speaker 2>a lot of twisted trees that were bent over like
<v Speaker 2>they looked like coops. And then there'd be lots of
<v Speaker 2>them like that in one area. But that it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>like the tree was bent over. It was like they
<v Speaker 2>took It was like several trees were ripped out and
<v Speaker 2>you could see the roots sticking up in the air slightly,
<v Speaker 2>and they were bent and interwoven, almost like baskets, but
<v Speaker 2>they were woven structures, and they were it looked, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know how to describe it, shelves that looked like
<v Speaker 2>woven tree rainbows. They were woven like that. And then
<v Speaker 2>there were x'es, and they'd be several, it would be
<v Speaker 2>several the trees were probably about three or four inches
<v Speaker 2>in diameter, and there'd be three or four of those
<v Speaker 2>with the roots at the end. You could see them,
<v Speaker 2>and they'd be made into exes, and then there'd be
<v Speaker 2>a frame type structures, and again the same thing. You'd
<v Speaker 2>see probably half a dozen of those collected together. And
<v Speaker 2>again you'd see a few of them with the root
<v Speaker 2>structures hanging out on the end. So it wasn't just
<v Speaker 2>at first I thought, well, the wind blew these things together,
<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't trees that were still in the ground
<v Speaker 2>like that. They'd been actually taken out of the ground.
<v Speaker 2>And when you're a kid, if we were kids, we
<v Speaker 2>just thought somebody did this on purpose, like artwork. But
<v Speaker 2>we weren't thinking some creature did it. We couldn't figure
<v Speaker 2>out how it was done, but we just thought, oh,
<v Speaker 2>great artwork. And when we saw the documentary we realized, oh,
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, you know, a bigfoot did this. And my
<v Speaker 2>parents noticed this stuff too, and they said this is
<v Speaker 2>kind of unique, but we didn't touch it. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>we just looked at it and thought, wow, this is really,
<v Speaker 2>you know, weird. I think things that we thought were
<v Speaker 2>the most interesting were the the saplings that were and
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen this on a Bigfoot documentary, but I
<v Speaker 2>remember it. They were interwoven together almost like a basket
<v Speaker 2>handle and curved. There were two like that, and I
<v Speaker 2>don't know how a human being could do that. They
<v Speaker 2>were giant size. Yeah, I've never seen that.
<v Speaker 1>It almost makes you wonder if that was like breeding
<v Speaker 1>grounds for the Sasquatch. And those are like masts for
<v Speaker 1>the little ones, and I mean where the whole clans
<v Speaker 1>were hanging out at.
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting. And there were lots of these big grass
<v Speaker 2>nests and My dad saw them and said, oh, that's
<v Speaker 2>for the deer. Don't ever mess with those. The deer
<v Speaker 2>are sleeping in those. And I thought, what really, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it looks like it's five times bigger than a deer. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So where you guys left the sack launches, they they
<v Speaker 1>would take it and leave fossils, shells and twisted sticks.
<v Speaker 1>Can you describe the twisted sticks.
<v Speaker 2>The twisted sticks were like they'd be like, oh, one
<v Speaker 2>or two two, maybe two two millimeters in round, and
<v Speaker 2>then they'd be about that's the link in my hand
<v Speaker 2>with my hands, about five inches I guess, and length
<v Speaker 2>six inches. Anyway, they'd twisted those around and they'd use
<v Speaker 2>three they'd be three or four of those interwoven around,
<v Speaker 2>and my brothers took those. I was interested in the
<v Speaker 2>fossilized rocks. I still have one of them, and it's
<v Speaker 2>a sheet seashell inside a rock. And I was fascinated
<v Speaker 2>by those. And then there was a time when they
<v Speaker 2>actually left a rusty coin and some rusty bottle caps.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is really interesting.
<v Speaker 2>The twigs though, that were woven were it looked like
<v Speaker 2>braided hair, but it was actually thick two or three
<v Speaker 2>centimeters in width and then the length was about five
<v Speaker 2>six inches and those would be woven together, and I
<v Speaker 2>thought those were interesting. I don't know what those were
<v Speaker 2>used for. I don't know if that, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>wonder if those were play toys for maybe Bigfoot or something.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but those would be left there too. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>It could be as simple as toys, or possibly they're
<v Speaker 1>trying to tell you something and communicate with you or both.
<v Speaker 1>But I've seen that before in Oregon with researchers, and
<v Speaker 1>it almost reminded me of like the crown of Thorns
<v Speaker 1>that was placed on Jesus' head. I'm not comparing it
<v Speaker 1>to it, but it just reminded me of that. Like
<v Speaker 1>how woven it was and circular, you could definitely tell
<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't a natural occurrence.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was something that somebody made, and so we
<v Speaker 2>just assumed that this guy was an artist. The scamper
<v Speaker 2>was an artist, and he appreciated what we left him.
<v Speaker 2>You know, My mom even got to the point of
<v Speaker 2>putting apples in with the peanut butter jelly sandwiches. So,
<v Speaker 2>I mean there was apples and peanut butter jelly sandwiches,
<v Speaker 2>and that's why I was leaving comments about leaving sane
<v Speaker 2>because this thing we were leaving, he'd love peanut butter
<v Speaker 2>and jelly sandwiches.
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, you have noticed they liked peanut butter, So
<v Speaker 1>I'll try the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Maybe that'll work.
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, really loved the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
<v Speaker 2>So that's when we left it. And really liked the
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Man, so we made it happy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, It's terrifying that your brother was running down that
<v Speaker 1>game trail and he tripped and did a face plant
<v Speaker 1>onto a female bigfoot. It doesn't sound like, no, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't sound like this thing was out to hurt him,
<v Speaker 1>like it was just as surprised as he was.
<v Speaker 2>He now that he's sixty, he actually can laugh about
<v Speaker 2>it a little bit because he's had a lot of counseling.
<v Speaker 2>And I said, he said, he said to me the
<v Speaker 2>other day the other day, actually was like two weeks ago.
<v Speaker 2>He talked about a little bit and he said, who
<v Speaker 2>in the hell is a kid I'm nine years old
<v Speaker 2>and I do a face plant into a female? I said, well,
<v Speaker 2>how'd you know it was a female. He said it
<v Speaker 2>had breast. He said, my face was in his breast,
<v Speaker 2>Michelle in her chest. And he says, my legs are
<v Speaker 2>kicking in the air. And he says, I'm trying to
<v Speaker 2>picture that now. And he says, he says, it's like
<v Speaker 2>a cartoon. And he says, what the hell. He says,
<v Speaker 2>I've got my feet in the air and I'm thinking
<v Speaker 2>I can't do anywhere. My arms are flailing, and he said,
<v Speaker 2>what am I doing? And they said, then this thing
<v Speaker 2>listening up in the air and looks at me, and
<v Speaker 2>he said, he said she wasn't mad. And he said,
<v Speaker 2>for the first time he used the word she had
<v Speaker 2>kind eyes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I noticed that with the juvenile I encountered it
<v Speaker 1>had kind eyes. It was I don't know you could
<v Speaker 1>tell it wasn't evil. But that's just my perception of
<v Speaker 1>the encounter, he said.
<v Speaker 2>I said, how do you know that he's just the
<v Speaker 2>way she looked at me, He said, kind eyes and
<v Speaker 2>he and he said, it looked to me like she
<v Speaker 2>was trying to smile at me. And the sound, he said,
<v Speaker 2>in my mind, I think she was trying to chuckle.
<v Speaker 2>It's like she thought it was funny what happened, but
<v Speaker 2>he remembers the stink. He said, she really did smell
<v Speaker 2>so but he said he was he was just at first,
<v Speaker 2>he said, he was just terrified. Whoa, whoaa what you
<v Speaker 2>know what was happening, he said, he just it just
<v Speaker 2>froze him, he said it was. It was several minutes
<v Speaker 2>of her studying him. Huh.
<v Speaker 3>Why why do you think the creature picked him up?
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was he was face planeted into her and
<v Speaker 2>he was kicking a seat in the air, so she
<v Speaker 2>just gently picked him up, picked him up and held
<v Speaker 2>him up in the air to look at him. I
<v Speaker 2>think she just wanted to look at him.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so too. The sasquatch creature was studying Sheldon.
<v Speaker 1>And you often hear that if you run into one
<v Speaker 1>of these creatures, they'll kill you. But I mean, this
<v Speaker 1>thing could have snapped him in half, and it didn't.
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, she just studied Channon, like you know,
<v Speaker 2>what are you? And Channon said, she just looked at
<v Speaker 2>him really good, just looked at him, and he looked
<v Speaker 2>at her, and then she just gently set him back
<v Speaker 2>down on the ground, just really gently. She just slam
<v Speaker 2>him down on the ground. She just gently slowly, it
<v Speaker 2>was really slow set him on the ground. She said,
<v Speaker 2>everything was like in slow motion, just slowly set him
<v Speaker 2>on the ground.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting. And I often wonder why there's good
<v Speaker 1>clans of Sasquatch and why there are bad ones. And
<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of the Native Americans, like there were
<v Speaker 1>good tribes and there were evil tribes and they were
<v Speaker 1>at war with each other. It makes me wonder if
<v Speaker 1>it's the same thing with these Sasquatch creatures because you
<v Speaker 1>hear encounters like what you and your family had, and
<v Speaker 1>I've heard that over and over, and then you hear
<v Speaker 1>other stories. Even the Native Americans will say it that
<v Speaker 1>these things will eat you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the thing I can't quite figure out because
<v Speaker 2>I hear people talk about how they were attacked and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and I can't understand, what did you do. It's like
<v Speaker 2>my first reaction is, what did you do? Did you
<v Speaker 2>do something to them? First? I mean, did you offend
<v Speaker 2>them somehow? I don't understand. And then I'm just wondering
<v Speaker 2>how the Sasquatch had bad interactions with humans so that
<v Speaker 2>they're danders up. I don't understand because our encounters were
<v Speaker 2>not that way. Our encounters were peaceful, they were positive.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we clearly entered into their territory. We didn't
<v Speaker 2>have those that kind of reaction. No, I don't understand.
<v Speaker 2>But then we were children too. We were children, and
<v Speaker 2>we were we were emotionally damaged and hurt children too,
<v Speaker 2>So you know, if these things are intuitive, they sense that.
<v Speaker 2>And we weren't really wild children. We didn't come in
<v Speaker 2>screaming and yelling and hollering and making a lot of noise.
<v Speaker 2>We were like dead, silent, quiet children. And so I
<v Speaker 2>don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, And I feel like they study certain
<v Speaker 1>people and only interact with certain people. But at the
<v Speaker 1>same time, like you and I and everyone listening, we've
<v Speaker 1>all ran into bad humans. And you know, you're really
<v Speaker 1>mindful of that in the future after you have an
<v Speaker 1>interaction like that, and you don't want it to happen again.
<v Speaker 1>It's like who's good and who's bad, and you're constantly
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that. And I'm sure these creatures do the
<v Speaker 1>same thing.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that they do so and I can't help.
<v Speaker 2>But one if they're disturbed by loud noises and loud sounds,
<v Speaker 2>and I before, before we were talking here, I was
<v Speaker 2>watching one of your programs and it's about this Spellow
<v Speaker 2>building a garage out in the area that he bought
<v Speaker 2>that's in the forest, and he's banging on his garage,
<v Speaker 2>on his garages building, and suddenly he hears these two trees,
<v Speaker 2>you know, go slam bang, And I'm thinking the Sasquatch
<v Speaker 2>is trying to communicate to him that, hey, you're disturbing me,
<v Speaker 2>So now I'm going to slam these two trees down
<v Speaker 2>to communicate with you that you're bothering me. And I
<v Speaker 2>think that they try to communicate when they're unhappy, and
<v Speaker 2>I think that they make contact with people on purpose
<v Speaker 2>when there's something disturbing them and we just don't pick
<v Speaker 2>up on the cues, and I think they become more aggressive,
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe when their signs or sounds or their communication
<v Speaker 2>is not understood clearly, so then they get a little
<v Speaker 2>bit more pushy. Maybe it's just my gas from all
<v Speaker 2>the different programs I've watched. I've watched dozens of your programs,
<v Speaker 2>and I listen to people talk about their experiences and
<v Speaker 2>I can't help but wondering if we're just too noisy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very well, could be.
<v Speaker 1>And Sheldon he ran into the first creature and it
<v Speaker 1>was taken a number two. And then the second one
<v Speaker 1>he said it was it was peen possibly on a tree.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Sheldon, Sheldon, he ran into the one that
<v Speaker 2>was peeing on the tree. And you know, now he's
<v Speaker 2>mentally challenged, so he wasn't scared right away. He he
<v Speaker 2>just you know, was incensed that this hairy naked man
<v Speaker 2>and see now his was I asked Sheldon how tall
<v Speaker 2>was the harry naked man and he said about five
<v Speaker 2>foot so I figure this was junior.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does sound like it. And after he figured
<v Speaker 1>out this thing wasn't human, he took off running.
<v Speaker 3>Is that correct?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, he took off running and he realized, oh,
<v Speaker 2>you're not human. I don't know what you are, but
<v Speaker 2>you're not human. I'm getting out of here. And that
<v Speaker 2>was after Shannon had run by, after he had his
<v Speaker 2>after he had his encounter with the female, which I
<v Speaker 2>think was the mom of the group. I think she
<v Speaker 2>was mom, and he's running by, and then after he's terrified,
<v Speaker 2>Sheldon realizes, Okay, you're not human. I got to get
<v Speaker 2>out of here too. Meanwhile, I think I'm confronting the
<v Speaker 2>dad because I think dad was about eight foot tall,
<v Speaker 2>eight or nine feet No.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, So you guys all saw a different family member
<v Speaker 1>from the Sasquatch clan.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we did. I think we encountered what
<v Speaker 2>I now understand is called a pod and it was
<v Speaker 2>a family group.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it didn't look like a gorilla. But it
<v Speaker 1>did look primate. It looked human. I think primates look
<v Speaker 1>like humans.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was primate. It was not a gorilla.
<v Speaker 2>We went to the zoo as kids, and we've seen
<v Speaker 2>a gorilla. We've seen monkeys, we've seen bears, and it
<v Speaker 2>was not a bear. For one thing, the ears are
<v Speaker 2>on top of the head, and they didn't have ears
<v Speaker 2>on top of its head. It was not a monkey.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a chimpanzee. It didn't have a tail. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a Monkeys have tails, Chimpanzees don't. I think
<v Speaker 2>that's right. And it didn't have the right kind of
<v Speaker 2>head for a monkey or a chimpanzee. It had a
<v Speaker 2>round head like a human. It was just a bigger head.
<v Speaker 2>And also, chimps and monkeys have necks. This thing didn't
<v Speaker 2>really have a neck that I could see.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure that was a terrifying encounter, especially when
<v Speaker 1>all three of you were crying, and your parents were
<v Speaker 1>probably really confused and alarmed themselves, but they probably didn't
<v Speaker 1>want to say and you know, scare you guys even more.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, they just they just kept trying
<v Speaker 2>to influence us to think that it was a bear
<v Speaker 2>and no, and then when the deer comes running out
<v Speaker 2>scared like its tails on fires. How my dad described it,
<v Speaker 2>You said, see, you told you they are scared, and no, no,
<v Speaker 2>afraid not. But they were really astonished when we pointed
<v Speaker 2>to the TV screen at this drawing of a bigfoot,
<v Speaker 2>and we all pointed to it at the same time
<v Speaker 2>and said, that's it. That's what we saw. And Shannon
<v Speaker 2>said his head had He said it had boobs on it,
<v Speaker 2>and and Shouldon said mine was shorter, and I said
<v Speaker 2>mine was like that, and so anyway, you know, they
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't get over that. They just thought, holy how. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they just they were just as they didn't know what
<v Speaker 2>to do with that information.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that confirms it. And I'm sure whenever it
<v Speaker 1>got eerily quiet, there was like a strange feeling in
<v Speaker 1>the air. I noticed that when these things are around here,
<v Speaker 1>like everything would just get dead quiet, and you just
<v Speaker 1>felt like you were being watched, like something wasn't right.
<v Speaker 2>That's what my mom felt. She said, it was like
<v Speaker 2>somebody's here. I don't know who, but it's getting weird,
<v Speaker 2>it's getting creepy. Let's just go.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Then you know for sure that something's off when the
<v Speaker 1>hair is on your arms and on the back of
<v Speaker 1>your neck start rising up like there's electricity on you,
<v Speaker 1>Like there's definitely something not right.
<v Speaker 2>That's what she said she felt. And she passed away
<v Speaker 2>in twenty eighteen, so I can't talk her about it anymore.
<v Speaker 2>But I asked her about that, you know, and uh
<v Speaker 2>oh was it twenty ten after I saw a special
<v Speaker 2>on this And she said that's what she felt, So
<v Speaker 2>that's why we left.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well let's move on to the angel that you
<v Speaker 1>saw when you were in your bedroom. What did it
<v Speaker 1>look like and was it like in a dream state
<v Speaker 1>or were you fully awake.
<v Speaker 2>I woke up briefly after being in a having a nightmare,
<v Speaker 2>and I woke up and I rolled over and this
<v Speaker 2>thing was floating above me. It was white, with flowing
<v Speaker 2>with flowing robes. It didn't have wings. It had flowing robes,
<v Speaker 2>and in my mind, I rolled over and said, oh,
<v Speaker 2>it's an angel, look at that. And I was very tired.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I was fully awake, but I
<v Speaker 2>recognized it to be an angel, and it was glowing white,
<v Speaker 2>and it was floating in the air, and there was
<v Speaker 2>no wind in my bedroom. But I noticed that the
<v Speaker 2>garment that it was wearing rippling, is if there was
<v Speaker 2>wind in the air. That's the thing I remember the
<v Speaker 2>most was the garments were rippling as if there was
<v Speaker 2>wind blowing, but yet there was no wind in the bedroom.
<v Speaker 2>But these garments were rippling and flowing, flowing white robes.
<v Speaker 2>And I noticed this face was very kind, very kind face,
<v Speaker 2>and seemed to be full of concern and was smiling
<v Speaker 2>and had golden eyes. And I felt immediately at peace.
<v Speaker 2>Just a warmth, of a feeling of warmth came over me,
<v Speaker 2>of just instantaneous peace and love, and I felt comforted,
<v Speaker 2>as if I'd received the warmest hug I'd ever received
<v Speaker 2>in my life. And I just felt like, I'm so
<v Speaker 2>safe now I can go back to sleep and know
<v Speaker 2>that I'm taken care of. Those were the feelings that
<v Speaker 2>went through me, and I just thought, I'm okay. Now,
<v Speaker 2>I'm okay, it's okay, I'm unemployed, it's okay that I'm
<v Speaker 2>sleeping on the floor here, It's okay. Everything's going to
<v Speaker 2>work out. And I just felt like this heavenly peace,
<v Speaker 2>and I just rolled over, went back to sleep, and
<v Speaker 2>I slept probably another five hours and I woke up.
<v Speaker 2>I'm totally refreshed, and the first thing on my mind was, oh,
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, I saw an angel, and I know everything's
<v Speaker 2>going to be okay. And it was not long after
<v Speaker 2>that experience I found a job and I was financially
<v Speaker 2>back on my feet and I managed to get moved
<v Speaker 2>out into an apartment and back on my own again.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's an incredible testimony. And I believe it was
<v Speaker 1>an angel because the feeling that you got of peace
<v Speaker 1>and love and that does sound like an angel. You
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel this feeling of like hate, fear and worry
<v Speaker 1>mm hmm, not at all.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, I spoke to my pastor and
<v Speaker 2>my deakonness about it, and they assured me that that's
<v Speaker 2>definitely an angelic presence.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does sound like it. What other experiences have
<v Speaker 1>you had that maybe you didn't think of at the moment.
<v Speaker 1>Have you had any more with bigfoot anywhere else? Anything
<v Speaker 1>else that you can think of, any other paranormal experiences,
<v Speaker 1>any like visitations from aliens, anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>There was one other experience out in Ames, Oregon, when
<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine from work invited me to come
<v Speaker 2>out to your parents' house out in Ames. It was
<v Speaker 2>really hot. We were going to sleep on the balcony
<v Speaker 2>and their house sat out in a country area and
<v Speaker 2>there was forests about I can't figure out the distance,
<v Speaker 2>but there was forestry that there was a heavy forest
<v Speaker 2>are forested area. There's a lot of forest out there,
<v Speaker 2>and that was on the back side of their property.
<v Speaker 2>And I said, sure, okay, and she laughed and said
<v Speaker 2>it was rumored that there was big foot in the forest.
<v Speaker 2>I said, well, that would be funny if it came out.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we had a demonstration of bigfoot out
<v Speaker 2>in the backyard. And she said, don't laugh about that.
<v Speaker 2>She says, that's not very funny because people have seen them.
<v Speaker 2>And I said okay. So we went to sleep and
<v Speaker 2>it was pitch black out there, and I remember hearing
<v Speaker 2>a weird noise that woke me up, and I rolled
<v Speaker 2>over my sleeping bag on the cot I was sleeping on,
<v Speaker 2>and I remember the moon was out as a full moon,
<v Speaker 2>and I saw this eyeshine in the forest and it
<v Speaker 2>started out as kind of an orange red yellowish kind
<v Speaker 2>of I'm trying to remember here. It was like greenish
<v Speaker 2>and then more orange red kind of eye shine, but
<v Speaker 2>except the eyes. Except the eyes were too big to
<v Speaker 2>be now. I mean, it was that the forest was
<v Speaker 2>far in off a way that if I would be
<v Speaker 2>seeing eye shine and be really tiny, but this looked
<v Speaker 2>like flashlights staring at me. And I was like, good grief,
<v Speaker 2>what the hell is that? You know? I couldn't figure
<v Speaker 2>out why these eyes were so big, and they were
<v Speaker 2>high up off the ground, so it wasn't a coyote
<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't a wolf, and I thought, what the
<v Speaker 2>heck are you? It must have been eight to nine
<v Speaker 2>feet off the ground, and it wasn't in the trees.
<v Speaker 2>And they didn't move really as far as they I mean,
<v Speaker 2>there was a blink once in a while, but it
<v Speaker 2>just they were just steady, and I thought, what are you?
<v Speaker 2>And then this was weird noise again, like nothing I've
<v Speaker 2>ever heard. I don't know if I can replicate it.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a whoop whoop, and there was no wood knocking,
<v Speaker 2>but there was this There was just this kind of
<v Speaker 2>a funny, funny kind of a yowl or howl, like
<v Speaker 2>something in pain. And it just gave me the chills.
<v Speaker 2>And I looked at that and I thought, what what
<v Speaker 2>the heck? And the next thing, her dad is standing
<v Speaker 2>We're on the upstairs floor and her dad is standing
<v Speaker 2>there pulling the drapes back, and he's got his hand
<v Speaker 2>over his over his lips, his finger over his lips,
<v Speaker 2>and he's got a shotgun and he's whispering to me,
<v Speaker 2>come on, get in the house, get in the house
<v Speaker 2>right now. And he woke up. He woke up my friend.
<v Speaker 2>He woke her up for his daughter and said get
<v Speaker 2>in the house right now. And he shut the door
<v Speaker 2>and locked it and pulled pulled the drapes. He's going
<v Speaker 2>all the house making sure the lights are out and
<v Speaker 2>the drapes are pulled, and he's telling us to be
<v Speaker 2>really quiet and go to the main bedroom and go
<v Speaker 2>to bed. And I said, what's going on? He said,
<v Speaker 2>just be quiet, don't make any noise, keep the lights out,
<v Speaker 2>and that's it. And we'll talk about it in the morning.
<v Speaker 2>And the morning came and I said, what was the
<v Speaker 2>big deal? And he said, well, don't you know what
<v Speaker 2>that was? And I said, I have no clue. I said,
<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about. That's a big foot. And
<v Speaker 2>he said, if you make any racket or any noise,
<v Speaker 2>you attracted to the house. I said, what he says, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he says, the neighbor made the mistake. The last time
<v Speaker 2>that thing was like that in the woods with the
<v Speaker 2>full moon and was yowling like that. He made the
<v Speaker 2>mistake that turning all the lights on in the house,
<v Speaker 2>and the darn thing came out of the forest and
<v Speaker 2>punched out his back window. I said, you got to
<v Speaker 2>be kidding me. Punched out the back window of his
<v Speaker 2>house and he reached in and was grabbing stuff. I said, oh,
<v Speaker 2>not a nice bigfoot. So that was that was the
<v Speaker 2>only time we talked about bigfoot at his house. So
<v Speaker 2>he said, when we see that thing or hear it
<v Speaker 2>and we see the eyes shine, he said, we turn
<v Speaker 2>all the lights out, pull all the drapes, and everybody
<v Speaker 2>is quiet. We don't want to attract it to the house.
<v Speaker 2>I said, when are you guys moving? He says, we're
<v Speaker 2>moving next month. I said, I see. He said that
<v Speaker 2>thing is going to punch our windows out. I'm not
<v Speaker 2>going to be here when it does. And that's the
<v Speaker 2>only other thing I can recall of having an experience,
<v Speaker 2>And that's the only negative thing I can recall, because
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why it would want to do that.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it doesn't like, doesn't like the
<v Speaker 2>noise that was going on around the area or what.
<v Speaker 2>And I asked, finally, I said, what do you guys
<v Speaker 2>do to make it mad? And he says, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I said, I run my lawn mower a lot, and
<v Speaker 2>I chain saw when I chopped stuff down, And so
<v Speaker 2>the only thing I could figure is it didn't like
<v Speaker 2>the unfriendly noises that they were making, and it was
<v Speaker 2>making it mad. So I almost forgot about that experience.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you reminded me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, eyeshine does sound like Bigfoot, and they confirmed it,
<v Speaker 1>so that's most likely what it was.
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that was their you know, neighborhood or local
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot there in that area. And that's also the area
<v Speaker 2>where my dad's friend has a Bigfoot museum where he's
<v Speaker 2>collected fasts and hair and people's photographs and that kind
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. He's actually got a little museum out there,
<v Speaker 2>and my dad's been to visit and he saw the
<v Speaker 2>evidence and was convinced that not only does this thing exist,
<v Speaker 2>but they actually have one out there somewhere living. So
<v Speaker 2>then that shocked my dad.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's incredible, and that validates their existence. They're here,
<v Speaker 1>They're all over the planet, and people are running into
<v Speaker 1>these creatures. Do you have any questions for me before
<v Speaker 1>we wrap up the podcast.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I just think that there's I
<v Speaker 2>think that there's different there's different species that live in
<v Speaker 2>different areas of the United States, and I think they
<v Speaker 2>have different temperaments.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely. What do you think these creatures are?
<v Speaker 2>I believe that they are ancient creatures that developed after
<v Speaker 2>the ARC settled on Mount Ara Rat and things spread out.
<v Speaker 2>I think they are natural descendants of primates, and I
<v Speaker 2>believe that they are a special group of primates, and
<v Speaker 2>that because our DNA has been so corrupted by the
<v Speaker 2>Cursed Earth, that they are just a different type of creature.
<v Speaker 2>And I think they're misunderstood, and I don't know if
<v Speaker 2>they're tried to the supernatural, not supernatural or not. I
<v Speaker 2>can't answer that. Only God would know that answer. But
<v Speaker 2>I think that it's a good idea for mankind to
<v Speaker 2>not hunt them, to not deliberately provoke them. And I
<v Speaker 2>think it's okay to try and research them to learn
<v Speaker 2>more about them, but to treat them kindly and respect
<v Speaker 2>the area in which they live and try not to
<v Speaker 2>provoke them.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I would agree with that, so I really do. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's an excellent theory and it very well could be possible. Okay, Well, Michelle,
<v Speaker 1>you did an excellent job today at describing these encounters
<v Speaker 1>that you and your family had, and it was quite
<v Speaker 1>a bit. I mean, there was a lot going on there.
<v Speaker 1>It makes me wonder if there's some type of connection.
<v Speaker 1>You even mentioned it earlier that these things are possibly
<v Speaker 1>a tract did to certain individuals, and I think that
<v Speaker 1>may be the case.
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you very much for having me. I really
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed being able to talk to someone else who has
<v Speaker 2>experienced these things, to see these things as a researcher,
<v Speaker 2>because nobody other than outside my family has had these
<v Speaker 2>experiences and when I talk about it, they look at
<v Speaker 2>me like I'm crazy. And so for the first time
<v Speaker 2>in my life. I feel like, oh I'm validated, and
<v Speaker 2>it just feels so good to be able to talk
<v Speaker 2>to somebody else who's experienced this kind of stuff. And
<v Speaker 2>I want to thank you so much, very very much
<v Speaker 2>for this opportunity. I really appreciate it, Miguel, really I do.
<v Speaker 2>And God bless you for what you do and how
<v Speaker 2>you help people and allow people to share their stories.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a wonderful thing that you're doing. It's
<v Speaker 2>really great.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I appreciate that, Michelle, and thank you very much
<v Speaker 1>for telling your encounters here on Sasquatch Theory, for your
<v Speaker 1>kindness and for everything.
<v Speaker 3>You did for me today.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you're very welcome.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I'll let you go for now, and I
<v Speaker 1>hope you have a good day. And if you need
<v Speaker 1>anything else or if you encounter anything else in the future,
<v Speaker 1>definitely feel free to reach out to me.
<v Speaker 3>And I appreciate you.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you too, all right, thank you, and.
<v Speaker 3>God bless by.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Michelle, thank you again for sharing your bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>encounters and experiences with me here on Sasquatch Theory. And
<v Speaker 1>you did an excellent job at describing these encounters, and
<v Speaker 1>I am sure that terrified you and your other siblings
<v Speaker 1>because you guys didn't know what it was. You didn't
<v Speaker 1>know what you were interacting with at the time. And
<v Speaker 1>that is very interesting because that's how it all begins,
<v Speaker 1>and people start having these experiences and they just can't
<v Speaker 1>put their finger on it. They know that something's there,
<v Speaker 1>something's watching them, and eventually they find out what it is.
<v Speaker 1>That's certainly how it unfolded for me. And it definitely
<v Speaker 1>gives you the creep factor, like somebody is watching you.
<v Speaker 1>You can tell that something's just different in the atmosphere,
<v Speaker 1>like there's just eyeballs all over you in the forest,
<v Speaker 1>and that eerie silence definitely overwhelms you and you just
<v Speaker 1>know that something's off. It does sound like Michelle has
<v Speaker 1>been through a lot, and these creatures are connected with
<v Speaker 1>people who have experienced a lot of things in their lives,
<v Speaker 1>and people who like to spend a lot of time
<v Speaker 1>in nature, people who like to be on their own
<v Speaker 1>by themselves. And yeah, I think it's interesting that these
<v Speaker 1>creatures took a liking to you and your family. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that both of your twin brothers had disabilities
<v Speaker 1>in their lives, and maybe that's why these creatures allowed
<v Speaker 1>them to approach them, or maybe they couldn't pick up
<v Speaker 1>on them. What are your thoughts and theories about this.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think maybe these creatures just aren't able to
<v Speaker 1>tune in on certain people, or they're able to highly
<v Speaker 1>tune into people and they seem to gravitate towards certain individuals.
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know, but the theory is there, and
<v Speaker 1>it makes me wonder. I just think it's extremely cool
<v Speaker 1>that you got to hang out in the Pacific Northwest
<v Speaker 1>as a child out in the forest, and that just
<v Speaker 1>sounds so.
<v Speaker 3>Peaceful to me.
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to go there one day and visit, but
<v Speaker 1>of course it would only be for a short amount
<v Speaker 1>of time, and you'd have to live there to really
<v Speaker 1>enjoy the.
<v Speaker 3>Area and appreciate it for what it is, because it's
<v Speaker 3>so vast.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there is somebody listening right now to this podcast
<v Speaker 1>who has had an encounter in Oregon State, possibly northern
<v Speaker 1>California or even Washington, who hasn't told anyone, and they're
<v Speaker 1>very adamant about keeping this hush hush, But if you're willing,
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to hear about it. But anyways, I appreciate
<v Speaker 1>everyone for listening. Thank you guys for tuning in, and
<v Speaker 1>until the next one, take care and be safe.