Oz Pearlman's Life Story is UNREAL - The Art of Mentalism | Miss Understood #373

[SPEAKER_00]: I miss those.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were just talking about your name.
[SPEAKER_02]: You go by O's and people I think would say, Oz all the time, how'd you get that name?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's in Israeli name, so it means brave and strong and Hebrew.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in Israel, it's not as weird of a name or pronunciation, but here, first off, now I'm kind of like, you know, a mentalist and a magician.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're leaning into the Wizard of Oz thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have so many things going against me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes sense for it to be Oz.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was born.
[SPEAKER_03]: My mom can only have twins.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some very strange conditions.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have twin sisters.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a twin, but my twin died at birth.
[SPEAKER_03]: which I found out later in life, she actually didn't tell me for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what was interesting is, because I was gonna have a totally different name, but since I survived, they changed my name to be, it means like brave and strong.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's, that was the name.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it a twin boy or two?
[SPEAKER_03]: Twin boy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I always, this is the weirdest thing, because I am not a psychic.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like supernatural.
[SPEAKER_03]: What I do, it's a skill that you can learn, but I always had the as intuitive thing for everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a kid that I kept saying, I have a twin, I have a twin, and it freaked out my parents.
[SPEAKER_03]: because I don't believe in ghost rating, but I really felt as if I two had a twin.
[SPEAKER_03]: And only when I was about 11 in my mom tell me, hey, you had a twin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was shocked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Had they named him?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember, it's a great question.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they did, you know, in like Judaism, you don't really name the kids before they're born, it's a little superstitious, but I think they had other names for us.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, I don't know what the names would have been, but it definitely wouldn't have been my name.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe my life would have been a different trajectory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it was destined.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a perfect name, obviously, for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Worked out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So tell me the difference between a magician and a mentalist for people that are confused.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have paid more, no kidding.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but truly a mentalist is a specialist, so within magic and I always tell people you know what a magician is visually, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You could think of somebody on stage who makes like a something float or cuts a woman in half and card tricks right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's visual.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna do something fast with my hands.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's gonna trick your eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have props, so I could go do a show for five people or five thousand people
[SPEAKER_03]: I am the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: What I do is I've learned how people behave.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know how they think.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's a lot of things that have to do with misdirection, the same way a magician does.
[SPEAKER_03]: But instead of me telling you pick a card, I say think of a card.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now I can figure out what you'll think of before you even do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I can guide you in a certain direction.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a mixture of kind of light bits of hypnosis, influence, behavioral analytics, good old fashion, trickery, and it gives the illusion that I can read your mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're saying illusion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is an illusion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like you can see into something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like can you read people's minds?
[SPEAKER_03]: I can, so a great question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Am I doing something that can't be explained within the laws of science?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but does it sure as heck look that way?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of things I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's this simple solution.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people think if I told you to pick a number one to a hundred, there's no way you could do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: How could you know that?
[SPEAKER_03]: But what you're not realizing is, what if I've already done this to 10,000 other people?
[SPEAKER_03]: And now I realize certain people go for this number.
[SPEAKER_03]: Certain people go for this number.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what if the same way if you're in a casino, you could tip the odds in your favor.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can do little things that will guide you in the way I want.
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of it being one in a hundred, it's one in five or one in three or one in two.
[SPEAKER_03]: What if literally I could know exactly what you're going to do before you did it?
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's science.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've learned to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So,
[SPEAKER_03]: it's done under the guise of entertainment, but it's not mind reading, it's a science, it's skill you can learn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, okay, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, do you believe in what psychics do?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really see psychics in me overlapping, if that makes sense, because I'm not really pretending to be a psychic or doing it, but I can do what a lot of psychics do, better than them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, 100% like if I didn't have the ethical or moral compass, where I would feel okay,
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I don't want to say scamming because I'm not saying psychics or scamming people, I can recreate what they do legitimately.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I know how the elements of cold reading, warm reading, you walk into a room, you can observe people.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can observe so much about them and instantly judge a book by its cover.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, if someone goes to a psychic, they'll usually have...
[SPEAKER_03]: One of four topics they're interested in right love money my future some sort of an issue health problems and just by feeling those out You can watch their body language shift and you know you got to hit suddenly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god We're talking about health and you can just feel is it their mothers at their daughters It's somebody in their dad's side and just little feelers You can get a sense of who it is and somebody like oh my god, I walk in the psychic He knew my dad was going through chemo.
[SPEAKER_03]: How could he have known that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well because you're in your forties They know your parents are older.
[SPEAKER_03]: They see the way you're shifting.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's all these tactics
[SPEAKER_03]: That you could learn that you could utilize.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I say I could do it better than them because quite frankly, I'm better trained than most of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like a Navy SEAL.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's probably better at playing video games like Call of Duty than a 12-year-old.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know it's I'm so how did you get the training for this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like do they have classes?
[SPEAKER_03]: University of Michigan, find it in the syllabus.
[SPEAKER_03]: I start as a magician and most mentalist because our magicians, where you learn magic first, and once you ditch the props, kind of think of it as stand up comedian.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stand up comedians, the purest art form, because you stand up in front of a group and you have nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're to tell jokes.
[SPEAKER_03]: You tell stories, you tell your life, and people laugh, and that's your fuel.
[SPEAKER_03]: So my fuel is laughter, but also amazing, just wow, memorable moments.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I started getting rid of the props when I did magic.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd go in instead of like a card trick, great parallel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of picking a card, before someone even picked the card, I feel like this guy's going to pick a seven of diamonds.
[SPEAKER_03]: He'd pick it, I'd be like, how is that happening?
[SPEAKER_03]: How am I getting that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm learning little things about this person.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trusting my intuition.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you start to do quick, impulsive.
[SPEAKER_03]: body language reads.
[SPEAKER_03]: You figure out what you are going to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you learn books to get better at it and better at it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it took a while to just stop doing magic because it's a crutch.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, magic tricks work every time.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you practice them enough, they're going to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Manfulism doesn't work every time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've screwed up countless times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I screw up less and less now because I do this for a living and I've gotten better.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it
[SPEAKER_03]: If it worked every time, it'd be boring.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'd be boring.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fun to watch because you don't know what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So tell me about your background for a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did you get started in this?
[SPEAKER_02]: How old were you when you started magic?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was 13, I had my bar mitzvah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had never really done like we didn't have a big party.
[SPEAKER_03]: I lived in Michigan at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: My folks got in divorce recently.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of like a really tumultuous bad time my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think looking back, like a little psychoanalytic, I saw a magician.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went on cruise ship instead of a party from my bar mitzvah and I saw this magician.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was blown away and this filled this void.
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of dealing with all this trauma and stuff going on,
[SPEAKER_03]: I just became obsessed with magic, and so I started buying books, videos, my parents was Rayleigh, I was born Israel, so they're very, you know, you want to buy more of these go-work.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was very much a pull it yourself by your bootstrap, so I got a job when I was 14 doing this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been doing this for less than a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I started in kids' birthday parties, got little business cards printed at Kinko's, and I just started doing this as my hustle.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was my business since I was 14.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would assume that magic is hard to learn at that age, like how are you actually learning tricks that people haven't seen or that adults can't call you out on a deck?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think you learn at a certain point.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was great for me as a stepping stone, which is you think, how do you learn this stuff?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: You can learn anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's an excuse when people think they can't learn stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is going back 30 years ago for me where there was no internet.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there was like dial up AOL.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went to the library.
[SPEAKER_03]: I checked out every book.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went to borders.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bought every book.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now, you can go on YouTube and learn anything in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think you find mentors.
[SPEAKER_03]: I found out there was a magic store.
[SPEAKER_03]: A half hour drive for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I would you know, just drive my mom to the point and say if it's taking me to the magic store, it's 14, I couldn't drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'd found when I got there, I met older people that were mentors that like, hey, can you give me a ride?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: and start learning from other people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Find a way to appreciate yourself to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't have money, you can't buy them something, pay them compliments.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, find something you give them as a gift.
[SPEAKER_03]: find people that will open doors for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I learned that at a really young age and I think I just learned how to network and communicate with others and that's honestly the biggest skill.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just kept learning and learning from other people, from books, from videos, I'm all self taught.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never went to a class or a camp or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have like a hero or somebody you've always followed their path?
[SPEAKER_03]: I've always admired certain people, like David Blaine when he came out was kind of a big time for me because I was teenager, I was about 16 when his first special drop and he changed the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just an icon, a legend.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was on the tail end of David Copperfield, he was still very popular, but I loved his stuff, but I never got drawn into those big illusions because I don't know, wasn't me, I like close up, I like being close to an audience and feeling that energy versus a lot of
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's people within my craft who you wouldn't know, they're not famous, but they're kind of visionaries.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are people that, you know, you stand on the shoulder of giants who kind of created mentalism.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's relatively new.
[SPEAKER_03]: This really started 100 years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Before that, you know, not like a joke, you'd be burned at the state like anybody you could do.
[SPEAKER_03]: What I do 200 years ago would seem like a witch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, talk to me about then you go to college and you have a corporate job, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I moved, I moved, I think some of our paths aligned.
[SPEAKER_03]: I worked at 78th floor of the South Tower of World Trade Center before 9-11.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had an internship, I went back to school.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's insane, it was a company called Martin Progressive and I worked there, which is just bananas.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I worked on Wall Street, I had internships.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when I graduated contract came here, like, you know, I didn't really know what to do and worked on Wall Street, worked from Maryland.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't my calling, but making good money.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have an older sister, two older sisters.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, get a job in Wall Street, and so I kinda do what I'm told.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, did you like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you still, we're doing magic, and I was always doing it on the side.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was never with this purpose of, I wanna do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, when people like I have a dream, I wanna be an astronaut?
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know this was an option.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: literally it was just a hobby.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a hobby, but it made money, but I never thought this was something you could actually do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it seemed silly.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seemed like being I want to be a pop star.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: The real playbook.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was doing this on the side by I was always doing this as a way to network, but also in life.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was my method of, you know, I don't want to make it sound like lame, but to me, friends, to me, girls, to, to, I go to a bar with my friends, all of us are getting free drinks that night.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just, you're the life of the party.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have a superpower.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do I get my job?
[SPEAKER_03]: When you go to an interview in your resume, says professional magician last seven years, I guarantee you a thousand percent on my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: My kids like, there is no way that interview is not going to ask you.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean your professional magician is most interesting thing they've heard all day?
[SPEAKER_03]: resume resume resume so now at the end of it you entice them you say oh like at the end of the interview if we have time let me show you a thing let me show you one trick
[SPEAKER_03]: the poor person after me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That trick turns into three tricks, turns into them, who'd ink hollering the next person gets 15 minutes of their interview eaten up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, hit me on the shoulder, shake me, and I'm like, you'll hear it from us because you've just won them over.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been in countries where I don't speak the language.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've performed in order of 40 countries.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't speak the language.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can walk up to anyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kids adult elderly, and I have this power to just make them smile to warm them up to instantly create a bond and rapport.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a superpower.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you're able to open doors you could never open otherwise that's amazing So at what point did you were you able to quit your you know day job so to speak and make this your full-time job How did that happen it happened in steps like if you look back You know whenever you hear people it always sounds easy in hindsight when you're like oh, you left my side hustle And now I'm making all this money and it always looks easy in hindsight, but I was there for two and a few years And I wasn't doing it with a purpose, but I just kept getting so busy
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, at the time I worked at a bunch of restaurants on the upper east side.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tea bar would shout out to Tony and Arthur McCall if they hear this great guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, um, and a place called Nino's, which was on 72nd first, and I got into these place permola, all these places where you had corporate expense accounts.
[SPEAKER_03]: You had kind of all the real housewives, all these various people that were in the fabric of the upper east side and big corporate decision makers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I learned
[SPEAKER_03]: these restaurants had people that were influential.
[SPEAKER_03]: They would see me and I'm not really making money, but it's a long-term play.
[SPEAKER_03]: The money will come first established that you're graded something and have people know you and I'm given out 50, 60 business cards a night and suddenly it's like pushing a snowball down a mountain, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It gets bigger and bigger and everyone knows you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I became a very well-known local act.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it got to the point, I have kind of a story that says it all, I was doing something at Merrill Lynch internally, all the event planners knew me within the company because they heard about me, I do happy hours and so they hired me to do something for the CFO with this meeting with like 20 big wigs and I did more magic then and I did a trick where I would turn one dollar bills to hundreds.
[SPEAKER_03]: Works great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm last straight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: He does it and I did this in front of them in a guy named James Gorman He's the CEO of Morgan Stanley's there Australian and I take ones from everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Go watch this snap my fingers five hundreds They're all laugh and they're like you we got to get this guy working here I'm like kind of a sur I do work here and he thinks I'm telling a joke What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like I'm like no serious that working your GTS division You go he looks at me and I can see it vividly and his morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: He looks who's what the hell you doing working here?
[SPEAKER_03]: And this guy is my boss's boss's boss, you know, the kid in the who I am, he can't believe.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, what am I doing working here?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was a real existential thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just kind of thought, like, this is it, you know, go for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the worst that happens?
[SPEAKER_03]: Find another job.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that set wheels in motion about a month later, I quit.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I know kids, I wasn't married.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's so many things I can hold you down is perfect timing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so nothing was going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm money saved up.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, everything can hold you back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone can have excuses.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's easy to say go for it when you have like you can but no one on the count on you, besides your sack.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think get your ducks in order if you're going to do something that plan make your luck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't just wait for luck to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to like get yourself in a position for that type of luck to occur and then go for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So after that, did you really hone in on being a mentalist or you still were doing a lot of magic?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was still doing magic, and it's funny because like takes 10 years to be the overnight success.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was doing this on the side.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was building up, building up, getting really known in and around New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: I made a kind of a branding decision.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was doing a lot of mentalism, but in 2015, I did America's Got Talent.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was kind of like the blow up moment for me, that show I got third place.
[SPEAKER_03]: The year before a magician had won the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I knew that you can and also he kind of like we all I don't want to say look at like, but he's like a white guy He's in his 20s.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean my 30s.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're the same height.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like we look on TV on mute a lot of you'll be like I saw you in my cuten scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: You tell him so I need to differentiate
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you really know your lane that you got to make yourself set apart and you've got to stand out You got to do something better than anyone else or different unique than anyone else.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's got to be in your unique selling proposition So I said I'm gonna be the mentalist and that's when I decided to be always the mentalist kind of like go with it That's my social media.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's everything and I decided that point cut the magic
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So tell me about getting on America's Got Talent, talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: You tried a couple times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did that work out?
[SPEAKER_03]: And the first time I tried, they call it like a producer call in.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like the red velvet rope at a club.
[SPEAKER_03]: We opened it up, walk right in.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for that one, producers call you in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't wait in line for like 10 hours with other people in a pier.
[SPEAKER_03]: They did it at a pier in Central Park on the west side.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're a thousand.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like being on a football field with thousands of people waiting.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they give you a number.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you're like it's a mug shot in the best ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, some of those people I met that day to this day.
[SPEAKER_03]: I keep in touch with all that's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing Guy if he hears it's amazing Josh Orley and he was on the season before him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a comedian.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look him up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fawty kid I met him and his dad there to this day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure so many talented people.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, also feel they're absolutely not talented But they are so sure of themselves amazing
[SPEAKER_03]: So who's the girl?
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, it's gonna be the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got the producer call.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went and did it bombed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, it wasn't really my fault.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to throw any of the bus, but if you're a mind reader, they bring me in a room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, imagine a room like this, and there's no one there, and there's a camera person.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I go, I read minds, I need someone's mind to read them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They thought I was just gonna do my thing, like a singer.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so they bring someone in a PA with like a headset who's super distracted in the middle of my act.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not paying attention.
[SPEAKER_03]: How am I gonna get a good reaction to them?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it bombed two years later I came back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Howard Stern was the was the judge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved Howard.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all my friends love Howard.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Those two years proved pivotal because I probably did 500 plus shows those two years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was seasoned.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was much more like it was the right time right place.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, cattle call.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went in there were thousands of people waited all day, killed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that was my time one year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't get in two years later.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get in to make third place.
[SPEAKER_02]: And how did you decide what do you call them tricks?
[SPEAKER_02]: I should have had how do you decide what tricks to do that are most impressive that people haven't seen before.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's really it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I did something which I worked for me at hindsight.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never planned more than one round ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was so in the moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, that mindfulness, I would never even think of the next round because what I've seen is that when people start planning ahead like that, you know what happens?
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't even make it through this round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You start thinking about what you're going to do after you catch the ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm in a run.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't even catch the ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: football like parallel, but so I just did, for the first two rounds, I did things that I knew I could do perfectly.
[SPEAKER_03]: In my sleep, I've done 10,000 times, literally shake me awake at 3am.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could do this routine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's my signature.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Things I created.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then we got to lay it around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nothing like pressure for creative bursts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's, if you told me right now, I could be in TV in six months, plan for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to procrastinate, talk to me a day before and get my, if you tell me you're going to be a national TV in 24 hours, I'm going to have the best bursts of my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go for a three hour run.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be in the shower.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put my phone down in D&D and that's when I need it to be forced.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's when I get my best ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and do you come up with them out of nowhere or these are ideas that you've heard of and people have done before you?
[SPEAKER_03]: So everything is kind of like packaging.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like I've never read a book self-help motivation a book that is something repackaged from a decade or a hundred years ago, but it's how do you put your own spin on it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, dancer, yes, I create most of my stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: The way you think of like a Jimmy Fallon, he has a team of writers that write for him, and a lot of the people you've seen on TV, they have a set of creators for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a rare group that are creator performers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I create, kind of like a singer songwriter, like a Taylor Swift.
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of what you see me do, I've created it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like something else.
[SPEAKER_03]: I make up the things I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I always create from the ending backwards.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I, I just like to think what's the coolest thing I could do.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I went on TV and I'm doing stuff for, I did stuff for a bunch of football players this year on NFL.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I go, what if I could go up there and what's the ultimate thing that a football coach wants me to do?
[SPEAKER_03]: Forget tricks, forget card tricks for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was crap.
[SPEAKER_03]: What if I could tell you what the other coach just told his player to do in the play?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's what I want a billion dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: literally.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what they're gonna do before they do.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I told the coach go get your playbook from upstairs and flip through anyone of your playbooks pick any play you want right now and then I literally told him the play that he thought of and he's freaking out.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I like to create things that that and that's never been done before.
[SPEAKER_03]: I made that up because I just said this will appeal to this audience this viewer.
[SPEAKER_03]: First is if I go on to show that it's about cooking we're gonna do something all about your best recipe that you made for somebody in your family that you love that you have
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But how could you really plan on that and for people that, you know, seeing some of the stuff you do, you're picking out things that they're thinking of way earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you have a t-shirt on underneath whatever it is of what they're going to say, like, how can you make them say that, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the million dollar question, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: How?
[SPEAKER_03]: But no, there's a bunch of tactics and skills.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's kind of think of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really is like a chef who knows how to make a recipe 10 different ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have so many different ways to get to the answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: And from your perspective, it looks impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what's keeping me in business, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Screwed, you know, Chad G-P-T, I'll take my job.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's the skill is knowing how to,
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like the word manipulate, but that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you get someone to do what you want them to do?
[SPEAKER_03]: Even when they're out of their way trying to be unpredictable, how do you still make them predictable?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because also those people I would think are skeptics, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, you never can figure out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's skeptic of all.
[SPEAKER_03]: The biggest skeptics turned into mentalists.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I've had these hedge fund guys that hire me who they wanted to have, but I had one guy who literally decided he's got more money than he needs for 10 lifetimes that I'm gonna spend the next year learning how to do this and I actually came up and gave him lessons that he was a legitimate, a legitimately interested person.
[SPEAKER_03]: He went past like a passing context of, oh, this is cool, he really wanted to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's funny because it's only gonna fall into two camps.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once you find out how you do it, you're either gonna be supremely disappointed
[SPEAKER_03]: you're gonna be absolutely like shell shock.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna be there there's no way that you are in live national TV with 15 million people watching live and you did that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, that could have gone wrong 20 ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It goes, that's insane and it's funny when you hear because it only is those two.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's never a middle ground.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's either the simplest, most ridiculous solution or you cannot believe that you would actually have the balls to do that part of my French because it's so risky, so risky but it works.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you've got to believe in yourself,
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[SPEAKER_02]: These skills like for somebody you're talking about, like that must be really good in business.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and no.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it would be great in certain contexts, but it's done, like think about a director of a movie, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You think they're displaying things in a certain way.
[SPEAKER_03]: They get to point the camera where they watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're guiding any of you, you get to ask the questions you've got.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when I'm doing my show, I get to do things in a certain way.
[SPEAKER_03]: For example, if you thought of a card and I guess the card, you go, why don't you go in the casino?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because when you're playing poker, I can't say stop, look at me, think of it's red, think of it's black.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, hearts, diamonds, repeat after me.
[SPEAKER_03]: People are going to do all that.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is a rhythm.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a way that I do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: A doctor can't diagnose you over the phone.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've got to look at your body.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've got to check things.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: I need a certain...
[SPEAKER_03]: procedure to get to the answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why during the Zoom era, during COVID, all of us who did this, we reinvented, we're out of a job.
[SPEAKER_03]: We kind of reinvented how to do this over Zoom.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was so much harder because when you're not in the room with somebody, you can't impact them this way.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I reinvented my show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you can't read their body language or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you can't control things.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't forget body language.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I can't even see anything about your face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I reinvented my show over Zoom and it became kind of wildly successful.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't fulfilling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like kind of like, it was like a webcam girl.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah, I want content.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm only fans.
[SPEAKER_03]: Big time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it wasn't the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's nothing of being in the room with people and that energy is electric.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when it's muted, everyone's muted.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't even hear somebody being amazed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I'm in a room alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyways, I don't know if I missed your question or crambling.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: You kind of I was just asking a certain way if it was like how for a person to go to a hundred percent for me to negotiate certain things.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell when people are lying.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell people uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell people aren't listening.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it does give me a technical advantage.
[SPEAKER_03]: But do I think I've got the ultimate lowest offer on a real estate deal that I wanted, maybe, I was within five percent, it definitely gave me some edge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you ever go to magic shows or watching David Copperfield or something, and you're like, I know how we did it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much always.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for David Copperfield, it's a little different, because I don't really specialize in illusions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Huge illusions or more.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's maybe a set of 20 principles, because you can learn them all, you know, and you're always going to hear like smoke and mirrors, but literally some of it will be like, how do you use a mirror?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to give you some way, but there's a lot of tactics and things, how they're built, how you do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem for me with that is when you watch somebody do a trick, like the proverbial saw woman in half, you know, in my mind, I think if I had those props, could I do that trick?
[SPEAKER_03]: it feels like a puzzle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that they're doing this somehow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know they don't really saw woman in half, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not silly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I know that somehow you're doing this and you have a secret that I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still appreciate the craft, but with mentalism what I like and what I think a lot of people like people after my show will say, I don't like magic, but I love what you just did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's cerebral and they realize that there's a skill and that it's not supernatural So they're watching some of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'll figure out a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like I know that you when you guess the card I did something so you knew it was red and then you saw me do something with my body that was dying But how you got the six of diamonds?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they they they love being a part of it Sure you like being behind the scenes It's nothing more fun than getting kind of tipped off to a little bit of how something works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Is there someone or a type of person you can't read and you can't work with them?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when people are really drunk, it can be difficult.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, sometimes they're even more fun, but certain things are challenging where if you can't maintain people's focus in attention, it can be difficult.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some people are very introverted, and they don't want anything to do with you, and it's your job to build rapport and open them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, maybe they had a bad day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, you don't know what just went on at home.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I learned early on when I was 14, like a shrimpy little kid, me walks up to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got a babysitter, you're out to dinner.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want me bothering you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's the hardest thing to approach people to restaurant where they don't know who I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'd walk up to your table and be like, you know, want to be entertained.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I started learning body language then and how to see who's the right person, what's the right time to walk up to them and how do you diffuse tension?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you de-escalate a situation?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like what a police officer does.
[SPEAKER_03]: You walk in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Someone's hot.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you cool them down?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't meet their energy at the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That'll just get kind of a piss and competition of who's tougher and who's this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I go into it in a way where I don't want
[SPEAKER_03]: Think of what I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's creepy.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can read my mind right now, that's a super creepy breach of privacy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you either have to go down the path of this is fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: And at the end of my show, you want to share a drink with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to have a beer with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm that kind of person you like.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, I want to hear more about you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or you're kind of scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's two paths of mentalists.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you watch other people's shows, you'll see what I mean very quickly.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're...
[SPEAKER_03]: character and demeanor is one of Mr.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mysterious or you're a little bit on edge yeah I want to be likeable I want to be somebody who you feel comfortable around yeah and so I made a conscious decision with that where I kind of let you in a little bit on how I'm doing it I show you while I'm doing it what's done Not tipping everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll show you a little bit and then I'll up the ante and do something just a little more But you're like, how'd you do that one I'm like well, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to keep some secrets
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there something you could tell listeners about how to easy things about how to read body language that might help them in certain situations, like relationships or dates or whatever it is?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know I have my master's in forensic investigation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we were learning that stuff, we had to take a body language course.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a small amount of our studies.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, it was a way people fidgeted or looked or, you know, if they would look to the left of the right or are there things that people can learn from you right now about it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally, so I mean there's there's things that are hard and fast rules, but they don't apply to everyone So when you tell somebody you know if they're if they're pausing itching their nose and looking to the left They're lying you can't do that for everyone because some people just doesn't they don't have the same body language reads right it's kind of like testing somebody for steroids You have to first see their blood type and see if you know
[SPEAKER_03]: what the level is.
[SPEAKER_02]: The level.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because some of you have naturally high testosterone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the same thing applies where there's not one rule fits for everyone, otherwise I would tell it to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to watch somebody for a little while and then I get their benchmark and then I get a sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because some people do opposites.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll get the first thing wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I have something where I'll tell somebody, get out your phone, look through and pick anybody in your phone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really known for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll say, look, pick anybody out of your phone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our mutual friend Adam White's mini challenge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm like, get your phone up, pick anybody, you know everybody Adam, pick anybody out of your phone right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and so I will be able to always tell if it's a male or female based on reaction, but sometimes I'll get that wrong the first time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can show it to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if people are like trying to make sure they don't react.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're even better.
[SPEAKER_03]: The more they try, the actual, it actually goes against what you think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because the more tense you are, the more you are showing it off.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, if they're actually super loose and don't care, it's the same way somebody can pass a polygraph.
[SPEAKER_03]: People that are almost like sociopaths can pass polygraphs because they don't even
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like pathological liars can tell stories so much that they actually believe something that didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they can they can pass polygraph.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your body doesn't have tension.
[SPEAKER_03]: That everyone else does when they lie because they fool themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can look it up for free.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean by tension?
[SPEAKER_02]: What does it look like?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not, no, no, it's internal.
[SPEAKER_03]: So your body, like your breathing shifts, your perspiration shifts, and your blood pressure shifts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Internally, like stuff you cannot control, that's why they do a polygraph, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: you can't control it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's auto-nome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the same way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now, somebody burst in your with a gun, your adrenaline system will fire before you even knew what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You fight or flight like, it's, it's,
[SPEAKER_03]: thousands, millions of years at DNA and evolution.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the same thing applies where here's stuff that you can use listening.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can tell when people are listening versus waiting for their chance to speak.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can always see it in their eyes where their eyes open, there's things that people will do where you just said something and now in their brain,
[SPEAKER_03]: They're they're they're they're now thinking of something which means they're brain is turned to switch and they're not really listening to what you're saying more Most people forget your name.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell when somebody heard my name if they remembered it hurt it or didn't just by looking in their eyes Insanely because if they were thinking of what they were about to say They're not gonna hear your name right one of the best tricks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have it's not even a trick is I will remember everyone's name.
[SPEAKER_03]: I meet at a party each night and the night I met a hundred people although everybody's name.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember anyone's name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, which is, you always say, oh my god, I've stayed about a million things.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the exact problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your brain is like your phone getting a hundred texts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, what's my daughter doing later?
[SPEAKER_03]: What am I getting for dinner?
[SPEAKER_03]: What, you have all these other thoughts that are competing?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can find a way to quiet your mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: for just that one second.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you look at them, you have to make your mind a blank.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's, there's certain moments that are a blank.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a lot of time, right before you go to sleep, if your mind is quiet or right when you get in the shower, right when you sit on the bathroom, I know it sounds weird, when you're brushing your teeth, certain people of moments where your brain gets quieted, take your mind and right when you're about to hear their name, repeat their name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: don't think of anything else.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be like, oh my god, what's your name, Brandon?
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you spell it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it Brandon with an O or an E?
[SPEAKER_03]: Repeat the name if it's a name that might be misspelled.
[SPEAKER_03]: Always ask how it's spelled.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's gonna help you remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you go Brandon with an O.
[SPEAKER_03]: God it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now if you say that and you look them in the eye and you're not thinking of anything else, it will imprint.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's taking a snapshot and you will remember it, minimum short-term memory for the next 30 seconds to five minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you repeat it one more time, or you pay them a compliment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you're like, oh my god, Rachel, I love this camouflage jacket.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just say it again with some sort of reference point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It will stick in your mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: And at the night, you'll be like, that woman Elena, I know her.
[SPEAKER_03]: And oh my god, that guy's kid's name is, oh, his dad's name is Tim.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll shock yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll do this the first time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in that night, instead of barely remembering one name,
[SPEAKER_03]: and then practice it the next time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'm gonna do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Try it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just try to really repeat the name once if you can pay them a compliment.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little awkward if you need six people at once because it's a lot to take in.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know when you get those lines of, oh, I'm John, I'm this.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's tough because you can't really repeat everybody's name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, John with an HP, how do you spell it?
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks psycho.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you can just slow your roll there and go, John, great to meet you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Bianca, you guys, a John and Bianca.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you guys know each other?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, just anything to slow down the flow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't associate it with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not an demonic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's a different thing where you try to make somebody outlandish.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can create lists in your mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a different skill.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is quite literally listening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but also in negotiations, you're with your boss or your with your spouse and you're trying to find out you can tell.
[SPEAKER_03]: people can have a six cents with their spouse like are they mad at me right now did I do something wrong you can feel it and it's an instinct and it works in a lot of other parts of life but we don't trust it a lot of people be like I sense this and it's about that person what do you think I go you're probably right like you just are talking yourself out of it that's interesting so has anything ever gone wrong when you are in like a public
[SPEAKER_03]: like shows.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, I tried to shoot for things to go wrong very frequently, but not like if things go wrong over and over because I tried to do things that are pushing the boundaries.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of a comedian who tries and tests out new material.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jokes are gonna bomb so the same thing applies where I will try and do things that are on the cusp of beyond my like I'll just reach for stuff and if it hits it's huge on TV it's way worse because on TV it's amplified by millions.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've had definitely things go wrong like I had one on a gt where I just guess something wrong but hopefully I'm moving through it quickly
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to an alternate ending.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm troubleshooting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I always have things planned where something goes wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: I pull another card out of the sleeve.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you won't even know it goes wrong in certain instances.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be sweating bullets, but I'll have something else planned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so you can make them think that wasn't the end of the track.
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right, but has it ever happened to you that you couldn't get out of Sedari?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you couldn't figure out what they were thinking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I mean, I've had like a finale kind of bomb.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the worst because you want to, you're leaving somebody on a terrible note is the worst feeling.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had a TV appearance.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is kind of way back when I think it was on CBS Morning News where I was guessing a celebrity.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody was thinking of, and I think straight up, I guess John Travolta, and she just goes, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I don't like who was it and I can't remember who she said it was somebody else It was pretty close actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know it was like Alex Alpachino like you're killing great, you know great You don't tell your actors It was just it was cool, but there was no real you couldn't unwind if I had had another minute if you know If it wasn't live TV, and they said you I would have had one more minute before you go to commercial break I bet I could have done something cool to kind of pull myself out of it But you learn from those you learn from those moments of how do I what what should I have done different?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And how do I plan better next time?
[SPEAKER_02]: So where do you come up with most of these tricks?
[SPEAKER_03]: When I'm running, I run a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I run like marathons and ultra marathons.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was going to ask you about my side passion.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so if I'm out running, like tonight, I'm probably going to go run with some buddies.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know sounds ridiculous for five or six hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go on like 30 or 40 miles tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't even run to the corner.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting bored and tired.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have great ideas during that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I listen to podcasts or I just zone out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I, in the shower, honestly, certain places where I have no electronics, no screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't do it with kids or wife or family or just like places where your mind can wander and be quiet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dane dreaming, like when you were eight years old and I've never phone a iPad or any of that, just let your mind wander and suddenly just things come to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that and why I have pressured situations and a lot of TV stuff coming up and so I'm just constantly just in my mind something sets it in motion.
[SPEAKER_03]: are you working on a new trick right now or I'm always working on your stuff it's I think it's like a comedian like a Jerry sign felt always writing on a no-pad you know I'm reasons what I read about reasons so I will I had an idea the other day it came to me just a little I was just talking to a magician friend and I just thought of it I just thought of something that would be amazing for and I fell and it's
[SPEAKER_03]: It's already it came together and within a minute I started buying a proper two because the key with mine is visuals.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm constantly revealing information that's impossible for me to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Either I'm influencing you to pick something or telling you something about your life or your path that I couldn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do I do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you said that T-shirt reveal is crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you make something on a billboard?
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you do it visually?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like with fire?
[SPEAKER_03]: With you want to do it in a cool way that captures your attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, okay, so do you practice this on your wife for?
[SPEAKER_03]: She's so over it.
[SPEAKER_03]: She is, no, I mean, like, she still loves me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure it's her birthday tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have you birthday on it, but this is not, she is a tough critic in a good way, but she's been through it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've known her for like 13 years.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's not really, I don't practice, I practice on audiences.
[SPEAKER_03]: My practice is my work now.
[SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense, you know, my kids are too young to get it yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're on the cusp, like I'm still kind of cool to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do magic shows, but that's different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doing a magic show for I did one for my four-year-old and six-year-olds classes.
[SPEAKER_03]: First graders love me.
[SPEAKER_03]: In like three years, I'll be a total loser and nerd to them, but I'm really in this finite zone.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kids will bust you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also totally, it's don't know that he doesn't know what mind reading is, so I do more like big slapsticky funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you pull a bunny out of a hat there in heaven.
[SPEAKER_03]: You tell them the name of their best friend.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, that's not cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't realize what's amazing yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there somebody that you've performed for that you thought was like the coolest?
[SPEAKER_03]: So many people honestly that's kind of one of the perks of the job.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've met so many heroes I I mean, I went on my Steven Spielberg.
[SPEAKER_03]: I spent time with him like Larry David is on my Mount Rushmore I got to hang out with him It's just certain people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like to be around people that are it's not always entertainment or you know People that are the most famous.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like people that I'm drawn to you that are just very insightful Successful doing event next week with Warren Buffett like that somebody I can't wait to meet just people that are
[SPEAKER_03]: They've just created things and they're that have broken through in certain ways, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not always about money or fame, but just I'm drawn to success or people that have pushed boundaries and continue to for years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Richard Branson, I met him, I went to the private island, unbelievable person.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just somebody who never is constrained, always innovating, always like went to space.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that must be such a cool thing that you are impressing people like that that are so impressive that everyone else wants to know and impress and hear you are their mesmerized with you and they think you're the ultimate.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a lucky thing I stumbled into and just, you know, it's a unique craft and quite frankly it's a weird thing cause I get to see them in a way that most people don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm not selling anything to them, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So like somebody I work for them and I'm also not,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's they get to be like kids again.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of those weird things where I get to do something where people are okay opening up in a certain way, you know, kind of being vulnerable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're at that level, how often are you getting to go, oh my god, just kind of allowing yourself to just be wowed and depressed and let yourself go.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's not a lot of instances where you can do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of these people are very serious.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like a great moment to kind of see people be kids again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and not a lot, it's so true, because not a lot of things are surprises anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, think about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: And do you see something that you can't explain?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's a really fun thing, because I think everything's planned.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can find everything on the internet.
[SPEAKER_02]: You kind of know it to expect when you get into a situation with anyone these days.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's really fun to, as an adult, almost, feel like a kid again where you're like, there's no way this is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're just overwhelmed with what you see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a very cool thing about managing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You and me are New Yorkers.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen it all, done it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when some of the needles, and that's my favorite audience.
[SPEAKER_03]: I truly like the people that will walk up to me and they're just like, no chance buddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't going to impress me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, all right, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's dance.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like, I will tell people in my show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I go, I'm the biggest skeptic here.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I became a mental.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought none of this crap is possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I pushed myself to say, what can I do?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this really?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no way anyone could read minds.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I go, I don't read minds.
[SPEAKER_03]: I read people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, so do you have a favorite trick like I'm a skeptic sort of I don't really believe in stuff like this I feel like you can't read me I'm gonna make sure there's something you can do on me that we see if you Let's do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go a skeptical and I wanted to be right now in this moment So I want people to know that like if I told you right now in this exact moment to think of somebody that You're gonna talk to it could be family it could be friend by one thing as somebody that you'll probably call in the next two or three weeks
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you think of someone?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: That seems impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That I could know who you just thought of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you agree?
[SPEAKER_03]: I totally agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you think about it even before this one second?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you didn't even know what you were going to think of.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, how could I know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now, if we put our hat and start to be really cynical.
[SPEAKER_03]: Think of a private investigator.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew you were going to interview me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what if and everything's on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now we all post like a million things stories every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: You probably have an inner circle of tops, 20 people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of us do favorites in your phone.
[SPEAKER_03]: And people are going to talk to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't like because it's be your daughter, could be me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you don't realize it, but I just limited you a lot more than you think of somebody that's in your inner circle that you might talk to you soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: So how about this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's make this more impossible.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I was going to say, I figured that you could, because I'm a skeptic, I think you could investigate or look into me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just purposely picked somebody that I know I need to call that you wouldn't know that I'm in front of.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I might go to that next, but I want to go to something that it's going to fool you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So before you even walked in this room, somebody you had not thought of in years, somebody you grew up with or somebody that you have no
[SPEAKER_03]: You had not thought of in years, and we had never before I walked in the room, have we?
[SPEAKER_03]: Never, never spoken.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you a question, you could have thought of a boy or a girl, but somebody that would anyone in your family, like parents, siblings, good friends with anybody know this person that you thought of or nobody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK, so watch this, this is how we break it down.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just so I know this is a boy or a girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, can I change who I picked originally, so that it makes it more sure after it for me, uh, boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: A boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you thought of a girl and switched to a boy?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why did you know the boy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, how did I know him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an action.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew him 20 years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Think of his name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And see, I like when we go back and forth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Think of the girl's name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Think of the boys name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Think of how many letters are in each one.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to count, but just kind of go through it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The girl's name was shorter, is that right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw, you see, how, okay, I know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: She just literally changed my in the middle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where you were counting over here, it took you longer to count on this side.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it's longer, go back to her name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Go to this girl's name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I want you to mix up the letters in her first name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just mix them up.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's an interesting name.
[SPEAKER_03]: My right to weird name.
[SPEAKER_03]: You look like you, it's a challenge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want you to stop, don't say it, but just grab a letter out of her first name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just grab a letter out of the middle of her first name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just think of that one letter in your brain.
[SPEAKER_03]: You rolled your tongue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Watch the same way when I see your name, Rachel, you thought of an R, didn't you?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there an R in her name?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: You switched, you switched from the R to something else you wanted.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't switch actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: You thought of the R first, you rolled your tongue.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should see how you told me, does it work with everyone?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but I can always tell, as I'm going, what I'm picking up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are most people going to be listening to this,
[SPEAKER_03]: on a podcast audio or they also going to be seeing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will also be seeing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think most people listen to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Listen to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to tell everyone so you can hear this noise.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is me writing down on a marker, on a pad of paper, when I wrote, I think you have not talked to this person in more than 20 years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you don't even know why she pops in your head.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, oh my gosh, you got a weird name, but I don't know why I thought of her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sarma isn't it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Call the fuck did you do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's for everyone who can't see.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wrote that down on the paper and turned it around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, I'm like, I was thinking of my head.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's never going to get this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be embarrassed for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was nervous about how I would like talk you through this.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's incredible.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've not written this down anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have literally not done any of you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thought of this person for the first time in a decade.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: The boy, the boy you haven't talked to in 20 years, not the same boy, you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you were like misgivings because you're like, ugh, I don't want to do him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you have a crush on this boy or not, related to it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody you had a crush on and you wanted you thought of him, but you're like it's too easy of a name.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Michael, was that your first crush?
[SPEAKER_02]: That was so weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no way, but I'm not doing anything for you to know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's that's whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're a psychic then, you're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many people at the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing in my body language.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're psychic and you're pretending you're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing in my body language that would get you to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love when people that are skeptical like Sarma, super common name, totally what it got in Sarma.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know so many Sarmas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know any, I don't think anyone knows a sarma.
[SPEAKER_03]: Except for sarma who's going to hear this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I've been mis-understood this whole time.
[SPEAKER_03]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I don't even know what to say after that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why we do the trick at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never open a podcast or an interview with a trick, because I'm going to be like, I don't know what to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot all my questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: All gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, what can you do another one I gotta leave you one more.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're getting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you All right, so I think that everybody should hire you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's like I'm floored by that I'm gonna have to I'm gonna end up thinking about this forever of how you got that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope
[SPEAKER_03]: That's literally my job.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not to fool you.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not to entertain those are side effects if I do my job It's to give you memorable moments.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it when people if somebody walks out on my show Apathy is the death of me and they just forget about me and they never mention to anyone I just just that's the worst if you figure everyone my tricks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind
[SPEAKER_03]: I want you to leave and be like, you are not going to believe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully you remember my name because the weird one of you go, this guy owes, oh my God, he guessed my friend from 30 years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want a moment that you will take and it will stay in your brain somewhere nestled in there forever, or at least for a few months or years, that's what I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, you guys, you have to, you have to go, look at this guy's Instagram, you have to look at what he does, it's amazing, you have to hire him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I have a quick lightning round for you, is that okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: Best moment in my life when I'm here in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best advice you've ever gotten.
[SPEAKER_03]: The best advice I've ever gotten.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of good ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to think, what is the best one?
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I think it's a little cheesy and hokey and mindfulness, but you never know what's going to happen tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of people think they do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you really have to find ways to enjoy that moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember where I read this, but they say take your life and create little slices of joy and I just sit there and like when I'm with my kids with my wife and when I'm kind of bitching about certain stupid stuff, I just try to stand back and just think
[SPEAKER_03]: This is amazing like you to be alive is such a gift.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, never forget it and even when you feel like crap And there's always things to complain about and you know my life is very blessed and I know But just if you're alive, it's a real blessing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like remember that think about it Success to you means
[SPEAKER_03]: Success to me means, I'm just getting to be my own boss, getting to be with my family, getting to chase my dream.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been so lucky in life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, having certain things, like obviously money, material possessions, things like that are great because they create a certain, like, I don't know, they give you freedom in life, but the biggest blessing is just having my family and getting to do what I love.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's been success.
[SPEAKER_03]: Failure to me is losing ambition, losing drive, whether that means for me with running, where I like to race and challenge myself, I have to challenge myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever that means in life to be better, to do something different, failure is kind of giving up and not striving for new things in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone you would like to perform for, or read,
[SPEAKER_03]: Barack Obama.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's a good one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something I haven't done that's on my bucket list is.
[SPEAKER_03]: My wife's going to kill me if I say this, but one of my good friends right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy's running across America, for Scum Style, William Gouge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been tracking my Instagram 3000 miles, shout out to William, you guys should donate.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is just, it's been inspiring.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got no another feel I've done it, but I'm watching him every day post on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_03]: They use amazing videos, the audacious support.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's making me want to do it, but my wife will divorce me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not doing it, but God, I'm so jealous.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love just these crazy running.
[SPEAKER_03]: I ran last year from Montauct, to Manhattan.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I broke the record as a hottest day of summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I ran, I'm the fastest crossing of Long Island ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: How long did it take?
[SPEAKER_03]: Just over 21 hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so I started.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes that's not much longer than the traffic.
[SPEAKER_03]: The traffic exactly, especially 27, when it's one lane.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just like these challenges.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like to do things that I don't know if I'll be able to pull it off.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I know I'm going to pull it off, it's not exciting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know if you ask me if I like to fail, I like to have that feeling of failure as a possibility.
[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, it's not exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: favorite sports team.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, if I say something that New York, I'm going to eat in the line.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go ahead and say for World Cup soccer, Argentina, just one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was cheering them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been cheering them on since I was six.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I've almost found this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was very awesome when messy one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, favorite binge worthy show right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Succession, please don't spoil it for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want four episodes in.
[SPEAKER_03]: My wife almost spoiled for me the huge thing that happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was so mad You're four episodes into the first season.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, like her and season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, your mantra or your life quote would be
[SPEAKER_03]: I say it when I run these ultramarathons when the good things are happening when bad things are happening and go blank and it will be over.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone of those things when I'm suffering when I ran that thing across Mon Talk and I was heat stroke and feeling terrible, blank and it will be over.
[SPEAKER_03]: Both in a good way and a bad way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think life just flies by.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just keeps getting faster and faster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything you remember just keeps going.
[SPEAKER_03]: The older you get, the quicker it goes, because statistically that becomes smaller and smaller piece of your life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once you're 70, every year is less and less.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Versus when you're five turning six, that's 16% of your life.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels really long.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to enjoy the ride.
[SPEAKER_02]: for people that are wanting to get into this, what would you suggest they start doing now?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I've suggested this to everyone I've ever met is knowing a few magic tricks like the way I told you when I go anywhere in the world, it will open doors.
[SPEAKER_03]: And most people that are magicians are not professionals.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are people like dentists, teachers, you know, many funeral directors are magicians.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that sounds so funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a talk about a place we need to break the ice pun intended, but most of the organizations where there's something called society of American magicians and international brotherhood of magicians are really doorky, but those are professional organizations, and most of the people are not professionals, they're hobbyists.
[SPEAKER_03]: And imagine you learn two or three tricks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just to know, for life, just imagine you go into a situation and you can do something really amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have something that I've done since I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anywhere, I grab a napkin.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I'm at a bar, I can do 20 tricks.
[SPEAKER_03]: But one is I grab a napkin and I rip it into small little pieces.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a three year old like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I rip in their hand, I say squeeze it tight and say a magic word or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I snap my fingers or we do something.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when they open their hand, they open the napkin and it's restored itself.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I could teach that to my six-year-old.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's something you could do anywhere, anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the smiles you will get, the moments you will get.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you need nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Learning a few of those tricks just to have.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care if they're the best or you're the best at doing them is such a leg-up in life that I've told everyone I've ever met.
[SPEAKER_03]: Learn a couple cool tricks.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's videos.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a website called pengwindmagic.com that I used to do tons of work for and videos to teach you.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you really serious about it, go, just look stuff up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Google teaches you everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm going to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to want to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them to ask them
[SPEAKER_03]: Next for me is just like I told you I'm go big or go home.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just keep trying to increase what I'm doing and amplify it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The what I see is for mentalism when you go up to most people, what's a mentalist with a minor, they don't know what that is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that's unacceptable.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that there's a slot to be a household name in this country where if somebody hears that word, a mentalist or a minor, I want them to know my name.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be the person you think of.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't have to knock anyone off to do that, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to be the next David Blaine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to be the next David Copfield.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to because they have their slots, so what I've focused on a lot is just bigger and better, doing things no one's ever seen on bigger and better platforms.
[SPEAKER_03]: So millions and millions of people seeing it, there's a lot coming up with me with sports stars and different athletes and working on some TV stuff, which and social media is also the biggest amplifier nowadays.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, so where could people find you and see some of your stuff if they want to get more information on you?
[SPEAKER_03]: And most of what I post is Instagram.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then YouTube Facebook, all the normal routes on Instagram, I'm at OZ, the mentalist.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it looks like us, pronounced OZ, but at OZ, the mentalist, I post all my tour dates.
[SPEAKER_03]: all my TV clips.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you jump on there, just put something on with John Cena, Ludacris, a lot of fun ones on there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our mutual friend Adam Weitzman, he was awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I just constantly like to kind of amaze people and I might be coming to a town near you soon too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so you guys should definitely look at his schedule, check it out and you should see him in person.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you read your DMs and your comments?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I electing gauges my fans right to me if you ask me with the lottery numbers are I don't know I wish I could tell you how many times you ask me what are the lottery numbers?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like if I knew I would have won and given half to charity by now I don't know the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a psychic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I read people.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can't predict if somebody's having a boy or a girl I'm pretty good at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you later.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if people know what they're having does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so for example one of the funny jokes of my wife is when we didn't want to know for our second kid She wouldn't let me in the room with the ultrasound tech.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh
[SPEAKER_03]: You know the ultrasound tech can know it 10-12 weeks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so even if you if they say Do you want to know that doesn't matter?
[SPEAKER_03]: I already know from looking at that 50 50 50 I hope I can get But so I've I've guessed and so funny thing I've done this I have a lot of couples that have in their scrapbook You know a first year of life like the kids put prints and stuff they will have a business card or something I gave them
[SPEAKER_03]: that I said to them, I go, you guys know what name you're going to use, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, we haven't told anyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, first time parents especially, they're very superstitious.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, put this in your scrapbook, open it the day your kid is born.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I will give them, and I will have predicted the name they used.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of them, they saw me, their kids ten years old.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now it's so funny, and they go, the craziest thing, the craziest thing, is that what you gave us, we were sure we were going to use this other name.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're daughter's name, like end up being Harper, but they thought it was going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: and they opened up, and it was crazy because they go, we were sure we were gonna name something else, and at the last moment we changed to this name, how the F did you know that?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they have, they have my card, and it's like, she's now like a person, she's ten, you know, it's so funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just so funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did so many, I've done thousands of barren bond midsmas.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was like my hustle, when I was like from 2005 to 15.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so many kids are now, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: 20 something you're all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, some of them are getting married.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know when you feel old you're like I did your bar mitzvah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and so anyway, the funny thing is is that's what I want.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I've learned is I'm not there to fool you entertaining.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to create memorable moments.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's when I can do that and you take something and you keep it with you and like they have that card that I did for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's the biggest joy.
[SPEAKER_03]: The biggest gift that I have is that I get to give that to people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've locked out in life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that, but I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, you're honest about you can't pick lottery numbers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You probably can't decide who's going to be president next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could tell you what I want, but yeah, let's go there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, DM's comments.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on their all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, my fans are everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're the people that got me to where I am now, so I truly appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: you need people's minds to read them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a job that I can't do by myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I need an audience to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you guys make sure you go see him in person because he's absolutely amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for joining me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much.
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