Nice to MEAT You, Pinky: RHOA Recap with Dustin, Claudia & Blue

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from The Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: So in some very unfortunate news, jue So Dora has accused her strange husband Ralph, of allegedly beating their son.

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Speaker 3: She dropped this bombshell abuse claim about Wrap.

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Speaker 2: According to court documents, Drew made the case for the judge presiding over the divorce to reconsider the decision ordering the reality start to vacate the Georgia homes she shares with the Rap by the end of the month. Drew told the court she doesn't have the funds and would be homeless. In addition to that, she did submit evidence, which is a video in which Rap allegedly could be heard severely beating the party's son.

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Speaker 3: She meeting jus.

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Speaker 2: Dora takes issues with being ordered to be out of the home, and also claims that Rap admitted that they are twenty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Behind on the mortgage payments.

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Speaker 2: She also said that she gave Ralph half her check that she was making on the Real Housewives of Atlanta. For the record, Ralph Pittman has denied all of these allegations.

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Speaker 3: Claudia, let's start with you. What are your thoughts on all of this.

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Speaker 4: I like to talk to my cousin first before I judge. Now say this, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I.

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Speaker 4: Believe that she gave hyper check to him. Why would she? He makes all that money, right, you know, I'm like.

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Speaker 3: I will say this and my frozen am I good?

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Speaker 6: You were?

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Speaker 4: And you are with mouth open too for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's between the hours of midnight.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know that's my peak time.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: So the thing is, so when I go on TMZ all of those ads and stuff, it messes on my Wi Fi.

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Speaker 3: So because I was reading a barbadim obviously.

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is this, Claudia said she doesn't believe that Drew Gabe Rap happicks check. Now, I don't. I think that's a that's a lot to give.

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Speaker 2: But what I will say is Claudia, you know, Cynthia Bailly has admitted, and a lot of housewives do do this.

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Speaker 3: They give their husbands.

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Speaker 2: A percentage right of their earnings because their husbands don't get paid by Bravo at all. I believe Syntha gave Peter, I think twenty percent. Candy has admitted to giving Todd something, so yeah.

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Speaker 4: I believe, yeah, she probably. I'm sure she gave him something, because you know, I do think the men should be compensated for what they bring to the shows. I do think that's kind of a crazy policy. I really do. And I think you know, you want them to show their real lives and their men. The men got stuff to do and they should be They shouldn't be treated like extras. Even extras get paid. Actually, but half your check, I hope that's not true. Cousin, cousin, you should have called me. We could have talked at the family reunion. We could have talked about this, not half. Not if he's making seventy some thousand dollars a month, and I you know, we on two. You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know, I don't know about that. I haven't a chance to ask her, so I don't really know. But it sounds like I hope, I hope it's not true. I hope it's not true.

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Speaker 5: Half of what though, like, what is?

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Speaker 2: What is?

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Speaker 5: The My thing is? I heard twelve thousand dollars? Do you all think that's the real number?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: No, he's gotten a nice pack to be in Housewives this many years. Yeahk On calls his face right now, Colos, keep that same look if she makes over four hundred thousand, Yep, that's so funny, that same look, Colors, if we're all going on tour, I am.

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Speaker 7: He spoke the same damn text messages that Drew sent to him right where she was saying she gave him half of that money and ship. You know what I'm saying. It was also said that he had this huge inflated and come. But listen, if if there were really abuse thing, if there were really actions that were abusive going on from Ralph towards her son or their son in that household, that shame on Ralph, shame on whoever.

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Speaker 6: Allowed it to happen. But it seems retaliatory.

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Speaker 7: The accusation does, because it did not come out until after Ralph had this win, this random ass win in court. Right, We've heard from Ralph in the context of the court documents, court proceedings and reacting to shit like that, but he ain't really been in the headlines like.

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Speaker 6: That, you know.

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Speaker 7: And Drew has responded to all of these things, and it just seems retaliatory.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to negate the allegation because if it happened, then fuck Ralph, fuck everybody that abused that boy, you know. But it's just random that it came out after he had this win that was going to unhouse Drew in that way, which she ain't broke.

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Speaker 6: We know she can get another place to live. We know what's going on.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, her money, the larger payout from her participation on these shows. I'm assuming it is being issued to you know, another entity at LLC, some shit like that. So that's what I think is going on. But it's just gone too far, and I really hope that this accusation was not revealed in a retaliatory manner because it involves her son, and Drew has never struck me as a type of mother who was dismissive or abusive to her son in that way or obtuse of his emotional needs. She seems like a loving mother. I will say that that's never been questioned in question for me, based on what the ways I've seen her interact with her kids. So I would hate for her to be weaponizing a story like that, or making up a story like that, whatever.

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Speaker 6: I just think the timing is fucked up, that's all.

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Speaker 8: I'm nervous about the timing because because Drew is such a loving mother, I find it hard to understand or even think of a of a time where someone like her would have known that and not told us immediately and not made it an urgency for the court to know immediately.

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Speaker 5: That's why I'm confused.

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Speaker 8: She seems like the kind of mother that would very urgently want that out there as a way to protect her and her check, particularly if housing is on the table right and so I would like her to answer the gap. But I'm not one of the people who says, why do victims wait a long time? I'm not one of those. I'm saying, an active thing that's happening in the household with the child, there's.

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Speaker 5: An urgency to that. That's because you're not the victim, the child is, so as the advocate.

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Speaker 8: That's very different. And I have a hard time seeing Drew do that. So I don't know, Sis, why why'd you if he is doing it, why did you wait so long? Did he threaten you? Did he do something worse? Because that could actually help your case, you know what I mean? So what we're hearing feels half baked. Something is missing from this story, you know.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking after like, I was like, why y'all talking like hmm, thinking about dealing with like and another word narcissisticans thrown around so much, and I'm sorry that in my brand. I'm so sick of hand people saying that Okay, oh god, irritating, so irritating. But like when you are, okay, two things. When you're on a reality show, optics are everything, right, Optics, especially in Atlanta, optics are everything, and a lot of times and we're seeing now it's even candy and tide. And like other people, once they break up, like when they're together, you kind of protect them. You don't say the thing. Although abuse is where I would definitely do abuse. I definitely would, But a lot of times these people try to keep this facade, these facades up about their lives, especially in a reality show, because you know, that's fodder for the reunion. It's it's farted for a blog. So I understand, Like, maybe I'm just trying to think like open minded. Maybe there's a world where you did see certain things and like you wait, now that it's all blown up, you like it. I'm just gonna say the thing. And then if anyone's ever dealt with being in a relationship where the guy is a narcissist, it is one of the most confusing things because the most confident person will look down at themselves after being with someone for a few months or a year and be like, I cannot believe I reacted like this, So I can't believe I didn't fight back myself when I can't believe I thought I was crazy and I thought I was wrong. This person made me feel like I was wrong and I and I did not move the way I usually move. That's been my experience, and like, I look back and I'm mad at the person I was when I was dealing with someone that had a hold on me, you know, And he was a better explainer, he was better with the media game you know, if the person is better at putting the image out where you know the guy that everyone thinks man, but he's so cool to me and all, Really it must be you. You must be the problem. You know, you'll be lying. It's easy. I'm trying to.

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Speaker 5: But that's why I'm confused. Ralph was seen as a loser universally for years.

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Speaker 4: Like it almost felt like maybe not to hear them, yeah.

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Speaker 8: But because but because he was a punchline for so long and from the beginning, and it involves a child, and it could help her case. I think that's why I'm confused about this case specifically, where normally I would understand and by the way to the thing that Claudia's saying about, why did I do that? When your cortosol levels are heightened because you are in an abusive relationship, it actually eats a way the part of your brain that has executive functioning. So people don't understand domestic violence victims have brain damage. If you look at the messic Brolin's victim's brain, the cortisol, the stress actually eats a weight at their brain. So it's not just oh, a character thing, I'm a badass bitch, their brains are being altered by the abuse.

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Speaker 7: My thing is this involves first of all, thank you for that Blue, because that is a critically important detail, right like that would affect judgment, you know what I'm saying, And so that's why that's relevant. I just think that, like I said, Drew appears to really love her children, and I don't think for one second, especially in the throes of a tumultuous divorce, I don't think that Drew would allow casually allow or passively allow her son to be physically abused in any way, you know what I'm saying. And also on some real shit, Claudia, that's your girl. You know what I'm saying, and I'm a stand behind mind is the same motherfucking way. So I'm not even negating like what Drew is saying or nothing like that, y'all.

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Speaker 2: All.

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Speaker 6: No, I am very biased. Call it what you want.

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Speaker 7: I honestly could give a fuck, But like I'm biased when I just like everybody on this panel, I defend in other spaces, this space, any space. I'm like that about my friends. So Claudia, I ain't mad at you.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Thank you? And then defensive. I haven't spoken to her about it, and I don't see her though it talks that much. We like have a little group chat here and there. But I was just trying to think about, like time that I've been with a guy that I did not want the public like I was the name or I was people that like they talked about more right, and you want to protect them, like so you keep the secrets, you don't say the thing. Of course they be things different, But like I look back and I want to slap my old self, Like I can't believe I was that weak. I can't believe I move like that. I would never move like that now, I would never ever do that. I'm just thinking of a possibility. Or she's waiting to the divorce got ugly and she's dropping a bot on him. I'm gonna call her and asking.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is this, I listen, anytime a child is involved and there's allegations of abuse that us it takes things to a different level to where concerned. At this point, it's the safety of the kid. Those are our doghin situation. I agree with all three of you guys in the sense of if that was going on for so long, then what was happening in that moment and listen, only she can answer that, and only he can answer that. And I want to say, because you know we are journalists.

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Speaker 3: He has denied all allegations, yeah, saying that it isn't true.

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Speaker 2: And her documents have stated that she has provided video evidence that we haven't seen. So we don't know what that video evidence that she provided to the judge, what that looks like. But I think at the end of the day, all of us can agree we want the best for then Z.

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Speaker 4: Says, if you go back when Drew first came on, she speaks to Ralph about how he was treating her oldest son in an episode, do you remember.

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Speaker 3: That, I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't abou abust. I don't remember it being with an.

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Speaker 2: Abuse it though, right, yeah, that's the comment. I don't remember that personally. But again, these are things that the court will obviously figure out. Speaking of the court, Kenya Moore unfortunately has been evicted from the building in which she was housing her Kenyamore Hairspo. Video footage surface Friday morning to where some of her furniture was out on the streets.

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Speaker 3: Britt Edie decided to drive by in her Maybox truck, shrinking her head.

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Speaker 2: Kenya Moore did release a statement where she says, I have spent the last several weeks moving out of my salon as a result of my ongoing legal battle with the landlord, who has failed to reimburse me nearly eighty thousand dollars of improvement funds. I'm vifullly owed. My only recourse was to withhold Brandt and file a counter suit. I already have my outfit laid out for court child.

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Speaker 3: Starting with you justin what do you think about this?

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Speaker 2: And what are your thoughts on brat Edie driving by and being videotape doing so.

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Speaker 7: First of all, I'm laughing at you reading the quote, because what did she say about her outfit for court Carlos.

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Speaker 3: I already got my outfit picked out a court.

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Speaker 7: Child, Okay, So I'm gonna keep it real. Kenya Moore is a black woman from Detroit raising a beautiful black daughter. I'm not gonna laugh at her misfortune full stop for me, right because it's not personal.

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Speaker 6: I'm not a cast member on the show.

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Speaker 7: She ain't never done shit to me, you know what, I'm saying, so I'm not gonna laugh at her misfortune. That being said, had Kenya showed a poster board to me sucking a dick okay in the environment that I didn't want nobody to see me doing that, Absolutely, I don't care. If I was rolling in the Geo tracker, I would have rolled right through that motherfucking parking lot and showed the shit on the curve. So I understand both sides. I'm not saying that it's right because to me, again, I'm not gonna laugh at nobody's misfortune myself, But had you done something egregious to me, I would laugh at you and encourage others to do so as well.

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Speaker 6: So I understand why Bride did it.

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Speaker 7: I also am so sick of everything related to the brit Edie and Kenya more conflict that fucking ruined season sixteen for all the Real Housewives of Atlanta loyalists and viewers from day one who have been waiting on the motherfucking show to come back, excited about the new faces and ready to see Kenya at Porsche Shine as a duo presiding amongst the cast. So there's a group of us that's still fucking pissed about being robbed of season rope, especially after we had to deal with season fifteen and Marlowe throwing spaghetti at the motherfucking wall, trying to find conflicts, and being let down by Marlowe, who we loved and still loved but were disappointed in because we had had such high hopes for her. Okay, so we have residual hurt from season fifth from season fifteen. We were even more pissed in season sixteen. So hearing this during season seventeen is triggering for a person like me who watched the show from day one. That being said, I'm not gonna laugh at Kenya getting evicted from the salon because it's simply not funny to me. I can understand why someone who has a personal vendetta with her would, right, let's keep it real, but it's not funny to me.

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Here's my thing. Britt Eadie, Why would you do that if, alexibly it was not you and the pictures sucking said dick rights. If the dick doesn't quit, you must get over it, Okay, So why are you driving by the salon laughing at another black woman's misfortune and business over a fake ass story because if someone put a poster up of I don't know one of my friends or coworkers or a woman that I can't even identify that look like me, and I'm like this on the picture, right, but it ain't really me. I could be mad when it was implied, but once it came out that it wasn't me, why am I still holding onto that brick? You're still trying to get relevancy off this beef with Kenymore because if it wasn't me, it's like case's closes. Yeah, I may have some bad feelings about you how I went down on the season, and you definitely have a rite for that, because y'all definitely y'all went at it. I get I told you understand you can have that, But like, what is a year later, they're halfway through the new season. They finished filming the new season, and you're doing this, so you got dressed, dropped one of your friends off, got the camera and position, they filmed you driving up and you drove off. That shows that you are too corny to be on the show. And yes, we did have high hosts because you can dress well, but you're annoying your bootleg NICKI minaj in the face and in the attitude, your your your ten year old. You're irritating. So you are exactly where you're supposed to be, not working. And how's that real estate going? Since you want to laugh at other people whose business are not doing well, how's yours going? Because you had time during the day to go buy a salon and laugh at another woman who's I don't want even the girls I want. I don't want any of their business to fail, even phasia. I just want how to win more cases. Like Cynthia Billy said, you know what I mean, but like I I yeah, like no, I want, I want them to do well. They're black women. So I thought that was corny grit and but you know what I'm trying to do balanced since I'm with libras or Libray. You your silace had you dressed in your ass off and you looked you looked great. You could have should have water. But that was corny.

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Speaker 8: I couldn't even tell what kind of outfit she had on because I was waiting for her to blow her nose the whole season. I think britt Idy is a wet fart. She's a staying on the legacy of the show I think about her, I get PTSD for all the reasons that Dustin said.

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Speaker 5: Cannot stand that lady. Think she's corny as hell.

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Speaker 8: Also as someone who makes a significant amount of money but had a nightmare landlord that caused me a lot that I loved and invested thousands of dollars in. Let's not be quick to assume that Kenya is lying, because I have been in her position where I invested a lot of money and refurbishing a space house on business out of I had a landlord who was not doing what they needed to I reported them, and because they would not do what needed to be done, I with held rent. So let's not assume that Kenya's just making up a lie. She might actually have the money and be doing what her lawyer told her to do, because what my lawyer told me to do. So I'm not even assuming that her business failed. Her lender might actually be a piece of shit, just like brit Right. And I also think too, Kenya is such a special show talent. I can't even explain it. I don't think anybody can replace her. That people who are just as good as her, but she's very specific. I weep to think about what this season would be like had she not been kicked.

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Speaker 5: Out of last season.

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Speaker 8: The idea of Kenya Moore and Kay Michelle. Oh, come on, I was thinking about it, so y f you break up?

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

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Speaker 4: Listen. I can give y'all someone. Kenyon's tactics may rub some people the wrong way, and it may come off bitchy and mean. I will agree with that. I'm not going to be a blanket apologist for someone.

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Speaker 6: To my friend, he's got a.

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Speaker 5: Couple of things with me.

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Speaker 4: What I was like, I'm okay, bitch, I'll see you. But when the dust settles right, it may take us years to find out. Please tell us when Kenya has lied.

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Speaker 5: I know to be a liar.

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Speaker 4: Maybe her presentation or maybe her you may not like, but she's not a liar. So if she says she did eighty thousand dollars worth of upgrades on that building, which blue, I agree with you. If I changed and fixed the plumbing and replace floors and the landlord said, okay, we're gonna you know, you don't pay rent the first six months or whatever the agreement was. We're gonna stick to that. I'm gonna give you rent on top of an eighty thousand so when you kicked me out and the victory, you got eighty thousand dollars worth of free upgrades. Let's just see about that. I want to. I think we should give her that because she hasn't been known to be a liar. That's tactic, but she's not gonna liar.

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Speaker 6: In fact, it's been the opposite.

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Speaker 7: She's been vindicated right when people have accused her of being allowed follow she's been proven right. So I think that's relevant. I just I'm you know, I just wish they could have had a different outcome because to me.

00:21:45
Speaker 6: Real shit, real shit.

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Speaker 7: Kenya and bridd Edie as a duo could have ran that motherfucking show. And it's a damn shame that we never even got to see that as a possibility, you know what I'm saying. But neither here nor there at this point because both of them have moved on.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, So what I will say is this, So.

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Speaker 2: I haven't spoken to Kenya recently about this, but I spoke to Kenya when she was going through being suspended from the show obviously, and and what that means. So let's have a real conversation right when it comes to reality stars and business. And I'm not saying this is Kenya's case, right because she's not here to defend herself, but a lot of reality stars they get the business because they have a.

00:22:33
Speaker 3: Show to promote it on. And the money you invest you get.

00:22:38
Speaker 2: You know, you get profits from that based on the promotion you get courtesy of being on a hit show.

00:22:44
Speaker 3: So when Kenya got her.

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Speaker 2: Hair spot, obviously, listen, Kenya had no idea she was going to get suspended.

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Speaker 3: She invested so much money into that salon. She have marble floors, you know, like, like can you put a lot of money into this hairspot? And to know that, like this, your job is gone. And I think we have to.

00:23:12
Speaker 2: Understand Kenya Moore has been on that show since season five. This happened season sixteen and she was gone one season.

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Speaker 3: So ten years of making a significant amount of money in.

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Speaker 2: The seven figures to know that that's what you're accustomed to and to have this job taken away from you like that early in the season, she was gone by episode six out of like twenty something, so I definitely remember her telling me prior to getting suspended that she was dealing with landlord issues. The point I'm making too is, look, at the end of the day, I don't blame her for not only not paying what she felt was I believe hers, which was the reimbursement of things that needs to be fixed, that money spending more into this business when you just lost your high paying job and you have a daughter.

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Speaker 3: You know again, I think a lot of that. So you all can say la la, la, la la.

00:24:20
Speaker 2: I will go ahead and say Kenya was smart. It's hard to be like, that's a business. Hey, I had it for a couple of months.

00:24:29
Speaker 3: This isn't like she had Warner Brothers.

00:24:32
Speaker 6: Right.

00:24:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, See, it's a couple of months bad investment.

00:24:36
Speaker 2: I'd rather walk away now than to continue to pour money into something to where this big show that I was on no longer is there anymore. And I have a daughter who's in private school and I have to worry about her future and her college fund.

00:24:51
Speaker 3: So team Kenya, I'm on Kenya side. And look the brit eaty thing. I'm a dustin in the sense.

00:24:58
Speaker 2: Of look one thing, I'll i personally, Carlos King, I'm never ever, ever, ever going to smile at someone's misfortune because same way the Lord gave it, he'll take it away.

00:25:14
Speaker 4: And I google karma.

00:25:16
Speaker 3: I have never even the people who did me wrong they want their jobs. I didn't laugh.

00:25:23
Speaker 2: I just said God sees it that they had to whatever. So that's how I feel now. With that being said, I also understand it's not me. But I do understand that you also can't tell somebody how to respond whatever.

00:25:39
Speaker 3: Happened to them. I do understand that. Logically, people say.

00:25:44
Speaker 2: Nini will say something I'm gonna butcher it, but Nini would say something like.

00:25:50
Speaker 3: If you throw something at me, bitch, I'm about to pop. You know what I mean?

00:25:54
Speaker 2: Like, can't you can't decide if my response to you fits the crime.

00:26:01
Speaker 6: I live and die by that I don't give again.

00:26:04
Speaker 5: I don't like her, we just don't want to do it.

00:26:07
Speaker 2: But I I logically can understand why she feeesn't need to be like, no, bitch is up forever, feel like it's up forever.

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Speaker 4: I think it would have been funnier if they were both on the show. It would have been like a shady little scene we're like, oh, bitch, no, you did not go mind my salon. But like that, you know the lawsuit. Knowing that that like just doesn't said that was a catalyst of ruining what could have been a really amazing season. It's like makes it like a little uglier.

00:26:34
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't like the ladies, So I'm not even gonna make it logical. I just don't like the lady.

00:26:43
Speaker 6: You know how, I'm the same way, man, I respect you like you had justin.

00:26:47
Speaker 3: Said, y'all feel like she rereal with this show.

00:26:49
Speaker 2: So again, as fans of the show, she can't brick, can't be mad at how.

00:26:53
Speaker 3: Y'all responded to it.

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Speaker 7: I feel like they both did in a way right, And I don't really want to place a blame on who just clarity, right, I don't want to play some blame on who ruined the show. I just felt like that season was ruined by that conflict. And I was both ladies who both showed themselves capable in other ways and fit in other ways to be housewives. I wish they would have made different choices, but it is what it is, you know what I'm saying.

00:27:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, real talk, real talk.

00:27:22
Speaker 2: So moving on to the Real Housewives of Atlanta Season seventeen, episode.

00:27:31
Speaker 3: Four, right this episode four already? Wow? Is it four or fives?

00:27:37
Speaker 6: It was four?

00:27:38
Speaker 5: Four.

00:27:39
Speaker 3: Episode kicks off guys with.

00:27:43
Speaker 2: Kelly and Peaky Cole chatting and they both are relating on the fact that they both are filing for bankruptcy due to being the personal guaranteurs of the loans that they received for their business and rain drops. What that means is, in most cases, when you get a loan and the bank gives it to you, in order for you to in order for the bank to get their money back, you sometimes have to put yourself as a personal gaming tour which means, yes, you can file for bankruptcy business wise, but they can't come after you personally.

00:28:25
Speaker 3: And that was happening in this case.

00:28:27
Speaker 2: But I want to talk about this though, because there's a lot of chatter on Twitter about this. Start with you, Claudia, Listen. The Real Housewise franchise has always been heralded as successful, women, aspirational, all these things. This is episode four. Pinky is a new housewife Kelly this or second season? Is it daunting for you to know early on that you are dealing with two houses lies who are both having to file for bankruptcy, and is that something you want to watch when you're watching over a housewives show.

00:29:13
Speaker 4: I don't like seeing it for any Like I said, I don't want to see any of those women go through bankruptcy, but it is part of the story. And also I do think more people need to be educated on the topic of bankruptcy because for a lot of white people, they use it as a business move, you know, for a reset. Like when people hear bank bankruptcy, you broke, you ain't got no money. Sometimes you have to reorganize. And the way to put a pause on things, to not lose at all and to make arrangements is what bank is. To follow bankruptcy. I had to do it before. And then I remember being on like the finale of Apprentice, and well, that's why you bitch relaxed. Let's talk about pH levels if you want to talk about what's bad about each other? Okay, but.

00:29:53
Speaker 5: Yeah college.

00:29:57
Speaker 4: College teammates tell me about that anyways.

00:30:03
Speaker 5: Counts.

00:30:04
Speaker 4: But like you know, I don't like seeing that, But maybe I'm hoping by the end of the season we can like see it resolve and see how it's not as daunting as people think it might be, but it is real life. I mean, I do get tired on this on the flip side of everybody pretending like everybody on a reality TV show is so wealthy. And though Pinky Cole has been very successful, but even the most successful people they go through lows, they have bad years, they have they can have some financial devastation, and I think it's I commend them for being that that open about it, because everybody on these reality shows wants you to think that they step out the house every single day in lvy and product and Gucci every single day to go to the store and have four sets of lashes on, and it's actually not reality. So I do appreciate it. It's true. It's like, yo, no one's really living like that. So as long as that have a happy ending, I do appreciate them talking about it, but I don't like how they're keeping I did not like for Pinky to keep it away from her man, but I loved loved his masculine energy.

00:31:04
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I got you.

00:31:07
Speaker 4: I was like, ah, I'm a fan, now, I was.

00:31:11
Speaker 5: I've never been so sexually aroused.

00:31:13
Speaker 8: During an episode of Her Housewives of Atlanta, and I say that respectfully.

00:31:16
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

00:31:17
Speaker 8: I'm a Pinky fan and I don't care that the rest of y'all magic, because the lady is front on.

00:31:22
Speaker 5: I love her so much this season.

00:31:25
Speaker 8: She is so authentic and also in on the joke and roll with the punches, and she could take she could give it and take it, you know what I mean? All the notes that we give about the other girls who are one trick ponies or who make up fancy words to make up. It's not like Maya Angelo and try to be above it all. Pinky said fitt, I'm gonna just be me. And the fact that even when she messes up, she doesn't make excuses. Her emotional intelligence is incredibly high, even though her egos tripping her up right now when they did that last scene, and I wish we could see more of this of her. And by the way, me and Claudiyah we got tag a lot the people were saying that we were vindicated for saying we don't think her husband it's.

00:32:00
Speaker 5: A bad man that she had to keep a secret from.

00:32:02
Speaker 8: We just think that her the best of her as women, and we've been vindicated so any people, we're tagging me and thanking us for having that perspective seeing a black man love a black woman who was incredibly successful and not only not try to humble her, have her back when she stumbles.

00:32:23
Speaker 5: Chef's kiss.

00:32:24
Speaker 4: He's my favorite husband right now.

00:32:26
Speaker 9: And like how Charles did come through for Angels, Daddy, I love him but no, yes, beautiful because like the way that Pinky's getting like people are dragging her because of the aesthetic somehow not being like the other ones.

00:32:39
Speaker 4: And four bottles of weave down our back and whatever stupid surface reasons they may have, we need more of this. And guess what, everyone doesn't look the same and a twenty forty inch bust down. Okay, everyone doesn't look like that.

00:32:51
Speaker 5: And she got better husband than someone ya on the bust that? How about that? Sorry?

00:32:54
Speaker 4: Her husband loves all every single into that okay, And the way he was gripping her booty like that said, Okay, I know, I told you I may have good sex. I think they have the most the best sex of everyone cast. You can tell knock them kids out right away, back to.

00:33:08
Speaker 2: Back to back to back, watch What Happens Live. They had sex in the band and building once I believe it.

00:33:14
Speaker 4: I fucked with that. I like ratchet, ship like that and like driving up. Listen, if you're watching, I would love to go do some ratchet, borderline, homeless ship.

00:33:27
Speaker 5: Band nome, the power of words.

00:33:31
Speaker 4: Elevators, unha, elevators, dangerous, yellow tape not supposed to be there. And then we pull the panty to the side. You put me against the brick wall and my white outfit is getting dirty. But then we see that anatomy when you touch that wall. Because I want to be like, oh girl, but you know what I'm saying, that'll be sexy. I'll do some savage shit like everyone like a Viking. Why not.

00:33:54
Speaker 5: Grown women?

00:33:55
Speaker 8: Grown women appreciate pinky anyone if you're a grown woman who you know how they used to say back in the day, a grown man on mine a little bit of hair. I feel like at the station that we're not to be nasty fault grown women who are watching.

00:34:11
Speaker 4: Now today? Friend, we bump up the yellow one becoming really bring flowers.

00:34:18
Speaker 5: Lady, who's ever had a man lay you down and spread it wide?

00:34:21
Speaker 8: You understand what it looks like when a man really fucks with you, like when he really has your back. I love it, and I also think a lot of the girls who are who are taking jobs should be taking notes, because, honestly, as someone who's an entrepreneur, I'm learning so much about this whole garantory thing.

00:34:35
Speaker 5: I'm scared to ask for a loan again.

00:34:37
Speaker 8: I'm taking so many business notes sincerely watching this show. It's actually helped me figure out what kind of investments I want to make in my own business. I remember the last time I was educated watching the show, so respectfully.

00:34:48
Speaker 5: I'm here for it.

00:34:51
Speaker 6: Here for number two. Pinky and her husband are in love.

00:34:56
Speaker 7: The the attentiveness that he displayed when she finally reveal that she had met with the bankruptcy attorney and planned on filing for bankruptcy right, which was information that was omitted through their daily conversation until that point.

00:35:10
Speaker 6: Right.

00:35:12
Speaker 7: He literally he never lambasted her about, you know, her timeline of revealing the information. He immediately was attentive to her emotional needs as well as offering a solution in real dollars five million to be exact. Okay, he offered her five million on the spot, and not in a way where he was trying to flex or It was so authentic and so sincere that I walked away from that scene like Pinky got a good husband.

00:35:40
Speaker 6: Pink got a good husband.

00:35:42
Speaker 7: And also in that saying, I just feel like that same scene nullified all the criticism in so many ways. In the same scene where he not only offered her a solution to the problem that she was uncomfortable sharing with him initially, he also affirmed her as a woman. He told her she good, rubbed her ass, you know what I'm saying, like, turned her around, backed her up into him, and immediately it was like it was a magnet.

00:36:07
Speaker 6: You know what Cardie B Song said. Okay, I'll be feeling I feel like a magnet.

00:36:11
Speaker 7: Peaky immediately knew to turn around and put that mental put the middle, put from the front to the middle, and around, back to the middle and around again.

00:36:18
Speaker 6: She knew what to do.

00:36:19
Speaker 7: So I think that represents a security that is that is developed and nurtured and solidified over the way you show up for your partner. And seeing this black couple with these beautiful children who are obviously in love.

00:36:34
Speaker 6: Who y'all might not like pinky hair, but he do.

00:36:37
Speaker 7: Okay, So seeing seeing that and seeing him show up in that way, not one time did he do anything to shame her for her decision. He showed her that he understood, and this was on camera and it wasn't no bullshit. So I love what they showed and represented. And this is this scene itself, I think represents why representation, okay matters. This is why you need to see black couples and couples of all different communities right showing up for each other in that way. That was love that you've seen when they was walking down that street. Because he so immediately you need five million dollars, like, Okay, I'm gonna help you out.

00:37:20
Speaker 6: We in this together. And it wasn't again, it wasn't to flex. It was an immediate, yo, you need this, okay, cool because we in this together. I'm ten tots with you.

00:37:29
Speaker 7: So I thought it was beautiful and shout out to that couple, shout out to Hayes.

00:37:34
Speaker 4: I was a little surprised when like, I was like so happy for her, but I was also like, well, damn if we found out he was that dope in one episode. She's been married to him, she should know that she's able to tell him that. So that's right, that's all I like it a.

00:37:47
Speaker 3: Little bit like was next with that, So it's funny. It's funny you took the words out of my mouth.

00:37:52
Speaker 2: I first of all, I love a Pinky is bringing to the show aesthetically and personal story since Atlanta, and the one thing I've always wanted for this show was the different looks of women in Atlanta. He has succeeded in that effort. And I like the fact that she's very honest about it. And I'm clawing into the worst out of my mouth because when Derek did say I'll pay for it.

00:38:18
Speaker 3: We're in this together, and she started crying. In that moment, I was like, but this is the man you marry, like you you, why don't you? Why don't you know this? And then it hit me too, like I think she. I think she does know it, which is why she didn't want to ask him. I mean from telling him. I think she knew that he was going to say that.

00:38:41
Speaker 2: I think Pinky is this, And Pinky, if you're watching, because I know you are, this is my advice to you.

00:38:48
Speaker 3: It's okay to be a boss at work and be a soft girl at home and allow this man.

00:38:54
Speaker 2: I think I think Pinky has to when she walks to that house and listen, I'm popular opinion. Maybe I think Pinky has to the moment she walks in, allow herself to be vulnerable around her husband.

00:39:11
Speaker 3: And your husband is not impressed with you taking on everything. He wants to help you.

00:39:18
Speaker 2: He's also an entrepreneur, and yes, don't cry at the office with your employees, right, but at home, baby, you better.

00:39:29
Speaker 3: Cry in your husband's arms and say this is too much? What do I do?

00:39:34
Speaker 2: I need some advice and I want Pinky to feel comfortable doing that.

00:39:40
Speaker 7: I just want to add right that this is not an average or normal, right or typical disagreement between spouses. We're talking about millions and millions of dollars on the line here and two wildly successful entrepreneurs who have seen continued success in different spaces.

00:39:58
Speaker 6: So these stakes are a little bit.

00:40:00
Speaker 7: Different than not telling your husband that you bought up her coat, you know what I'm saying, or something like that. Like this, this is different, and so again his instinctual right reaction to be supportive and to be attentive to her needs I think is exemplary, right. And they black people in love with a beautiful family, and the way that she was able to immediate. She it was tough for her to reveal that to him, and it was tough for her to surrender to him in that way because she told us in explicit detail that her prowess as an entrepreneur was part of her appeal to him, or at least for her understanding you know what I'm saying, So it was difficult to compromise that. I just think that was a great example of two of a couple, black, white, whatever the fuck, but in this case, a black couple showing up for each other, you know what I'm saying, without ego, without any any sort of like again, lambasting, you know what I'm saying. Like He literally just was like, oh, that's what's going on. Well, I want you to know I got your bank, he reassured her. And I think it was a great example. So shout out to the Hayes family.

00:41:09
Speaker 5: I spically wanted to be a black family, though I know we're yeah.

00:41:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:41:13
Speaker 8: We have black on black crime as a fake term that was created to make us think that black people are pathologically more violent than others. Speaking, all people kill their own the most. So if we can make it a fake term like black on black crime. Why can't we highlight for once black on black love? And it makes me so proud to be able to witness this happen for a woman who looks like all the women that we know in real life and also too though to Claudia and Carlos's point, sometimes when you are in a relationship with a good person, you like to make them proud. It's the same reason why a kid who always gets a'sed lies about that sea to their good parent. It's like, I love the fact that I make you proud, and I'm internalizing shame that I'm not going to hit the mark. Even if I know you're gonna show me kindness, if anything, Sometime times that kindness makes you fall apart.

00:42:02
Speaker 5: I can joke about it with.

00:42:03
Speaker 8: The girls at the function, I can kicky with Kelly in them, But when I see the tenderness in your eyes, if I start crying, I might never stop. And that's the part that gets tricky. Sometimes when you have a good man or even a good friend. I've had friends tell me Blue, I didn't tell you because I knew you were going to be so understanding, and I knew the I told you, I would fall apart, So I get it, and.

00:42:23
Speaker 4: Then also like, even though like he's you know, listen, we've had different opinions of him a couple of weeks ago when he said that humbling comment, well, it wasn't like we hated him. We were like, hold up, it was just like a even in a loving relationship. I do think that it is possible to be a little competition going on, maybe unspoken, you know what I mean, Like you know, hey, I made my million speak oh I made my million to Okay, there's no weak links here, so nobody if you have listened, if you're a boss, alpha woman, you have to go through jump through a lot of hoops to get there. You got to go through a lot, especially a black woman. So I feel like you feel like it's like it's shameful, like you don't want to be like looked at like a failure. Everybody the man that's you look So I could see what she would feel a little bit inflicted to say, I asked up, man, I messed up the church's money.

00:43:07
Speaker 6: Shame.

00:43:11
Speaker 3: That's why I appreciate it. With Angela, who is coming out with her own fan. First of all, Blue, Oh sorry, you can see me.

00:43:22
Speaker 2: Blue rolled the eyes on the back of her head the moment I said that, so clearly, I'm gonna start with you first.

00:43:28
Speaker 3: Okay.

00:43:29
Speaker 2: So Angela Oakley is coming out with a line of fans. Okay, it's called Fanngela Fannies. Okay, she wants to be able to have inventory, but she has to invest.

00:43:45
Speaker 3: Fifty thousand dollars.

00:43:46
Speaker 2: Now, mind you, Angela has been open and honest about losing two million dollars worth of housing inventory.

00:43:56
Speaker 3: That did not go her way.

00:43:57
Speaker 2: So in this case, she's telling her, Look, I need to make sure that I make a profit immediately, don't I don't have it to invest in something else and lose money. So if I'm going to do this and it's fifty g's, then I'm going to need to make sure that I make a profit. How many orders do we have? Charles Oakley walks in. She asked him for half. He eventually says yes. But Blue, my question to you is a do you think this line of fans is a good business endeavor for Angela? And do you think in this particular case, Charles should be the one telling her this ain't a good idea. I might give you twenty five thousand dollars. How about you focus on something else.

00:44:46
Speaker 8: I bought a fan the other day, lost it, went on Amazon, got another one for four dollars, and kept the pushing.

00:44:50
Speaker 5: No, I don't think this is a good business idea. I'm so sorry.

00:44:53
Speaker 8: Please put that fifty k in a high ul Savers account so you can make a couple thousand every month on it.

00:44:58
Speaker 5: What is you doing? I'm sorry?

00:45:00
Speaker 8: I love Angela so much, but this is giving desperation to be to be a businesswoman. Sometimes the best thing you could do in businesses be still. Sometimes the best thing you could do is and no offense. If you only have forty what did you say? We had thirty thousand for marketing, fifteen thousand for the team move fans. Whatever the numbers were, they were very small, respectfully okay, as somebody who has a buy inventory. The numbers were very small. That already tells me you ain't got it.

00:45:24
Speaker 5: Sis.

00:45:26
Speaker 8: If somebody said, Kadi, I want to start a line of scrunchies, I got thirty dollars.

00:45:30
Speaker 5: Do you want to go in business?

00:45:31
Speaker 8: Pop were like girl at that price point, I think the funk not right? So I think Angela, I love you, You're gorgeous, You're amazing. You don't even need the storyline. You don't even need this storyline. I loved you without the fans, Fangela. So I hope that she sits still for a second and recognizes that she doesn't need this storyline and she should be sitting with what went wrong and do a swat analysis strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats in her last business before pivoting so quickly to recreate.

00:45:56
Speaker 5: Them in a new business. I think this is a desperation tactic and I'm like, Pinky, this one. I can't. I'm sorry, y'all just in it.

00:46:02
Speaker 4: Can we ask the rain drops because I seen a couple of people said they would buy them any range drows would you buy the fans? Will fan?

00:46:09
Speaker 5: Just how much?

00:46:10
Speaker 3: For fifty K? I also think we need to know how much she's gonna sell them for too, I mean, because the thing is that I've seen the handheld fans.

00:46:19
Speaker 2: I've taken them from people and unfortunately I discarded them because the ones I had was like whatever, But what are the average price for fans?

00:46:29
Speaker 3: The hamheld ones?

00:46:31
Speaker 4: I never had one. I don't know, I don't know what.

00:46:34
Speaker 7: I don't give a fuck. I'm buying it straight up. I fuck with her being hot. Charles Oakley telling her to fix that wig and her having that fan in that scene from season sixteen was noteworthy. Okay, it was a moment for me. And so I'm not concerned with the sustainability of the fan. I'm not concerned with the price outside of anything that is not ridiculous. Right, But she won thirty five dollars for the fan, and you know whatever, we'll pay it. My thing is, I just want to hold a fan that she's responsible for. That's it, you know what I'm saying.

00:47:09
Speaker 6: So it is what it is, and.

00:47:12
Speaker 7: It's just that that's the long and short of it for me. I don't think that And Blue made a great point. Blue, you made a great point whether when you talked about the amounts of money that she was identifying as seed money, and like, you know, the investment or whatever, they were small in paltry, right, compared to other amounts that we invest in the thriving businesses.

00:47:32
Speaker 6: But I think that reflects the fact that this is something she's.

00:47:35
Speaker 7: Doing for her fans, no pun intended, right, I don't think that it is a venture that she is anticipating, you know, changing her life with I think that she can get larger amounts in profit and her real estate participation if she focuses. But the Fangelia's, the fans are for the Fangilas, and it just is what it is, you know what I'm saying. I'm a buy one.

00:47:58
Speaker 5: Hell, Amazon looked them up, So going right right now is about four dollars.

00:48:02
Speaker 6: Per fam I'll played a thirty dollars premium for Angela.

00:48:06
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's definitely for a niche people. For the people who are make time Angela fans, which we all are.

00:48:11
Speaker 6: We all love it.

00:48:13
Speaker 4: But I do think that now would probably with like stuff that's happening in the market real estate wise, a lot of people going to foreclosure right now, now was a great time to snatch up some of those properties if you really want to like put that money, especially you're in Georgia, there's a whole bunch of inventory. I think she needs to lead those high end homes alone. Do not buy million dollars anything over four hunde thousand dollars right now. I would not. I would snatch up those smaller ones. I think she's on the right track with that fixer uper that had the spiders in it, that was like one sixty nine. You can maybe get that to be worth two fifty with some upgrades, some new countertops, some new floors, some paint whatever, curbs on a pill. I mean, you can do that, but I think I do. I hope she doesn't put I'm glad the budget is small for these fans because I don't think she she should waste a lot of money with this. I think she should stick to what she knows and go into you know, well, even though she's had some battle real estate. You can blame that on the market. The markets really messed up a lot of us right now, real estate holdings.

00:49:06
Speaker 5: But yeah, I like her. I'll buy one too. About you know about six I about that, I buy a whole six pack? You got bread?

00:49:16
Speaker 4: Howmey gonna buy?

00:49:18
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm in a very fortunate position to where people give me stuff for three Yeah, but we need you to support them.

00:49:25
Speaker 4: That wasn't the question.

00:49:26
Speaker 9: I will.

00:49:29
Speaker 3: By, I mean I'll do buy. I I will buy. I will definitely buy Fangelize. But like when with candles, and you know, I guess something, I'm promoted on my mother that.

00:49:43
Speaker 6: Lie the novelty. You know what I'm saying.

00:49:47
Speaker 3: I got Angela, by the way, this weekend at the Hawks game.

00:49:53
Speaker 5: Gorgeous, Huh I know?

00:49:55
Speaker 3: Oh no, No, she had on a onesie.

00:49:58
Speaker 4: Who Angela?

00:49:59
Speaker 3: Angela openly head on.

00:50:01
Speaker 4: I love she is the best body on the show.

00:50:04
Speaker 5: She really does.

00:50:06
Speaker 2: I had and I did her freaking interview in her house and I'm like, where did this come from?

00:50:13
Speaker 3: She looks gorge had a jet black bob And one thing I will say about Angela.

00:50:21
Speaker 2: And I think it's a good thing because I've seen Sarah tax Robbers do it. Which, by the way, Sarah Jax Robbers, no, what what.

00:50:31
Speaker 5: What Sunday was that.

00:50:34
Speaker 3: I did not even finish Sarah Jax Robberts. This is like, did I say and he's day?

00:50:48
Speaker 4: It was like, oh my god, he's like speaking of hose.

00:50:55
Speaker 3: Okay, pay that's Sarah tax Robber was a little buggsy.

00:51:01
Speaker 6: No, okay, okay.

00:51:03
Speaker 3: What I was saying was this, by the way, I'm praying for you, missus Roberts.

00:51:07
Speaker 2: She had an accident to where she was jumping on a trampoline and fell on her neck. She was two inches from her spine and her lives so she's recovering.

00:51:21
Speaker 3: We're praying for you, Sarah Jakes. But no, I wan wasn't say she were onesie.

00:51:24
Speaker 2: What I was saying is Angela Oakley was at the game with her husband, and mind you, she is Angela Oakley like she's a big star now in the housewives. What I was saying was similarly to Sarah Jakes Roberts, who is to me the Beyonce of a poopet. Whenever I see her in Terrey, she definitely like make sure that her man is like, that's my man. Like she has this very graceful way of like leaning next to him but making sure that the husband leads so.

00:52:00
Speaker 3: But Angela, I was like, look at Angela. Charles was there being Charles.

00:52:04
Speaker 2: But Angela still has this very dainty way of presenting herself as Charles Oakley wife that I that I'm marveled at. I thought I was so that she wasn't like move, it's all about me. She was definitely more so like whatever, not like dimming her light or nothing, but more so like this.

00:52:25
Speaker 3: Is my man.

00:52:26
Speaker 5: And Holly is very old Hollywood, and I just I it.

00:52:31
Speaker 3: Made me love an Angela Gamore.

00:52:32
Speaker 2: So anyways, sell that to say, Angela will buy all the fans you want, honey, but definitely give you more for free.

00:52:38
Speaker 4: Then shape by Cherie as well and the candles. And they're asking about all the other products in the hospital. They should just have a swat.

00:52:46
Speaker 8: You never bought anything, Carlos, be honest, Have you ever bought anything from my housewife girls?

00:52:50
Speaker 4: To me?

00:52:54
Speaker 9: Now?

00:52:55
Speaker 3: Now to know charae, Now that's a good question. Now I had to buy from Charrett.

00:53:02
Speaker 4: Absolutely support your friend.

00:53:05
Speaker 3: I have a very special place in my heart for so for Chara. I'll do anything for Charat So.

00:53:12
Speaker 4: Yes, they want to know if you bought your go naked hair.

00:53:16
Speaker 2: Well you'll see my Okay, porchs friend Mike came back in this episode, okay, and which was a surprised to me because obviously we saw her and Sway in the prior episode. So Mike is back and he's in the house and Porsche us talking to him about feeling a bit sad because she received an offer from a home buyer who wants to buy her mother's home, and that was the home she bought once she divorced Cordell, so has sentiments of value to it, but it also is making it has over a million dollars worth in equity.

00:54:07
Speaker 3: But Claudia, what do you think about that? You know of Portia got burner ball. She's with Mike. Mike is big and strong and and all those things.

00:54:16
Speaker 2: And they hug in and she did an OTF child she's on the spot confessional.

00:54:21
Speaker 4: First of all, I thought she looked extra pretty this whole episode. Yeah, it was like less makeup or something, and she doesn't even when you saw that, she looks like she looks really pretty this episode. So I want to definitely give credit where credit is due. The house looked amazing. The house was like the one she's in. And I the scene with old boy, I know, we talked about him being an actor and being a paid actor and all that kind of stuff. Not that she's paying him, but an actor, but it seemed a little more real though. It did seem like there was like real moments with them, which is kind of sad knowing that then we know that she's now you know, it's not going to end up with them, except when they hugged. Did you see the hug?

00:55:02
Speaker 6: I see the hug.

00:55:04
Speaker 4: You know what I'm talking about.

00:55:06
Speaker 5: You know, when you like when you.

00:55:09
Speaker 10: Yeah.

00:55:09
Speaker 4: So when I saw that, I was like, maybe it made me think maybe she's knew that. She was like, Okay, I'm really feeling Sways. I'm not really gonna because when you really like, when you you what's on your it's pelvis, the pelvis you like.

00:55:21
Speaker 8: Yeah, for those who don't requite talk about if the pelvis is in because you like it if the pelvis is out, I'm being polite for the camera, right.

00:55:28
Speaker 4: But I did like the scene. I thought it was nice and it was nice to see the vulnerability in that scene. I thought it was nice and I actually liked it. It seemed it was very like normal, you know what I mean. But the hug gave me like Okay, she ain't really didn't. We didn't see much more of this, guys. It's gonna be all about Sway moving for That's what I thought.

00:55:46
Speaker 7: Well, that was because while they both have humps on their chest, right, he is his hair on it, So Sway is a more comfortable landing pad, you know what I'm saying when it comes to hugging. Probably leaning in the swing was like okay, yeah, yeah, she leaned into him and it was like abrasing you know what I'm saying, the chest, hair, the chair. Yeah, because he he had tits, he was he was buxom.

00:56:11
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

00:56:12
Speaker 7: That not in a way where they were you know, but he had a big he had a big buxom chest. He had a mammy titty chest. You know what I'm saying, Like you want to lay down and tell him drying your sorrows on his chest, you know what I'm saying. No matter how you identified. But sway right, who also has lovely lumps, you know what I'm saying, her smooth, So it's a different landing I think for portion, and that would reflect the hug element, I would think, you know what I'm saying, that's all like true Hill.

00:56:41
Speaker 5: Though I don't understand the outfit the kids, I couldn't. I couldn't focus because of the outfit. It was a lot happening.

00:56:49
Speaker 4: The kids definitely gave friends like we're not like you could tell from the kid the way that they kissed. It was like a like how you would kiss on that? Okay, I can just kiss you, just say I kiss you, but not what was that passionate? And going on?

00:57:01
Speaker 8: Now you have a theory you ever liked like more than one person. But then somebody one of them put it down.

00:57:06
Speaker 3: As we're gonna we're gonna just draw by ju Hill and Cisco.

00:57:10
Speaker 5: And you want hop on one on one knee. He was dressed like.

00:57:19
Speaker 3: Hilarious.

00:57:20
Speaker 8: I can't sorry because it's true though, right, and so once you see it, you can't see it. So it ruined the whole thing until I saw how pretty she looked a Claude's port. She looked fine as hell.

00:57:29
Speaker 4: I felt like I feel I was pretty. She really didn't a whole episode.

00:57:34
Speaker 8: As somebody who's paying session mm hm. The ladies can be real tender, but also really good at the things that the fellows do to like this. People don't understand that when you are having an open, fluid experience and dating different jen as at the same time, you get to in real time see the differences, Carlos, You in real time see the differences there wool hang ups that men have that women like Sway because that woman like Sways who got me?

00:58:07
Speaker 5: That women like Sway don't have?

00:58:09
Speaker 8: And when they got you making them dolphin noises, the next time you see somebody else who's not them, your body already belongs to her.

00:58:16
Speaker 5: Like, so I think that as we're back in the head Dolphin. Yes, I believe that Sway had her doing.

00:58:25
Speaker 10: Flippers the night before and that's why she couldn't hugg that at me, right, yeah, because that's why she was out along as somebody else man like that before movie that just came out.

00:58:39
Speaker 6: It was an OSCAR nominated movie about somebody. Right, what was the name of that movie?

00:58:45
Speaker 4: I hated that movie.

00:58:46
Speaker 6: Name The Shape of Water, The Shape of water, paper water.

00:58:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, your scissors was a little too good, friend, be careful.

00:58:55
Speaker 10: Yeah, your little girlfriends hugging the man.

00:59:01
Speaker 4: Wait, this is the man like this?

00:59:04
Speaker 5: Yep, that's exactly. Yes, that is sexually accurate. That is sexually accurate.

00:59:13
Speaker 8: So you the night before and then Drew you know, no, Kio comes up the next day. You don't give a theamn about that hug. I'm sorry, I'm just.

00:59:23
Speaker 3: Your moves.

00:59:28
Speaker 6: You want to see dancing the club? I shoot, now, I'm just playing. I'm just.

00:59:37
Speaker 5: By by Way the night before.

00:59:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, I agree with you. Like when you like you, you're like you got two people you're like, but then you just had great passion with the other person. You almost feel disloyal when you see the other person. So you're like, I'll do enough. Yeah, I'll do enough, like i'll but she's not lean into him like that.

00:59:55
Speaker 2: She was not.

00:59:55
Speaker 4: And now I saw the kiss and I was ready to be like, oh they look like but then I'm like the his and she avoided his crotch like he had monkey pocks. Hold on, let me not say that like you had covid.

01:00:10
Speaker 5: Let me, let me, let me let you have the florid.

01:00:14
Speaker 4: Give me no disease. Uhs SoRs Okay.

01:00:21
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get a whooping call Claudia.

01:00:28
Speaker 4: But I did like to see with her and Dennis like they even though they're not together, they are.

01:00:32
Speaker 5: A little bit. You call him baby, she's a baby. I mean.

01:00:36
Speaker 4: We got a key relationship though.

01:00:39
Speaker 7: As a person from Detroit and Carlos, you can tap into Dennis. Take your ass to the barbershop, man, and you even want to the barbershop, nigga, you can have somebody come to the motherfucking house and clean all that up them scraggly ass.

01:00:51
Speaker 6: Great here, if you want to keep your graat, I ain't mad at you.

01:00:53
Speaker 7: It shows wisdom and you got it because you're a successful businessman. Dennis but when you're filming and you already clashed with the blue and red of that jong and suit, you know, and the gray hairs clashed.

01:01:05
Speaker 4: It wasn't one of his better days looks wise. But I like the band.

01:01:08
Speaker 6: I love their relationship.

01:01:10
Speaker 5: You look like like you know, when you roll over and put on some closes to go to the store. It was given you. You didn't brush your teeth yet, and so I didn't like that.

01:01:16
Speaker 6: But it did seem like he got a lot of ship on the floor in the back seat of the car. You know what I'm saying. Mail, You know what I'm saying. Witer bottles, you know what I'm saying.

01:01:26
Speaker 4: It was a comment, and I know we're all listening. It's kind of like a recession. That commie's not great, Dustin Blue or Carlos. Someone said, who else is going to dance a little something for the super Chat? They want to see some movement here.

01:01:41
Speaker 6: Well, only fans is available.

01:01:42
Speaker 3: We're not here to be you know, like you got some moves?

01:01:45
Speaker 5: Stay up.

01:01:46
Speaker 8: It gotta be a fifty dollars super Chat. Just bat your bottom lip. There we go, bite it.

01:01:57
Speaker 5: They just show you what the angels know.

01:02:00
Speaker 4: I know you have right there, show you a little right there. I know you got it. At least at least that I heard about.

01:02:07
Speaker 7: That leads that big old We're gonna let the legend remain urban. We're gonna let we gonna let the legend remain urban.

01:02:15
Speaker 4: You know.

01:02:19
Speaker 7: Right here, baby, I would make the noise, you know what I'm saying. But I'm not gonna do that.

01:02:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you really the gun show in the middle Dustin's demonstration?

01:02:29
Speaker 6: You know he did? You know he did?

01:02:32
Speaker 3: He lifted not need to lift something else that will black office whole screen.

01:02:38
Speaker 7: Oh well, they ask about me, nigga, ask about like you said. You think I'm in the run from that, I'm not. Everything you heard was true so much the show. Don't give a funk. I'm blessed so thank you God.

01:02:55
Speaker 6: But yeah, anyways, me too.

01:03:00
Speaker 3: Oh okay, y'all are doing to.

01:03:06
Speaker 6: Patreon from Monday night? Uh uh after dark?

01:03:12
Speaker 2: Reality after dark and guess what, at least a reality after dark.

01:03:16
Speaker 3: Unlike Pinky, we do eat meat.

01:03:19
Speaker 2: So one of the biggest controversies on this episode is whether or not Pedra.

01:03:29
Speaker 3: Told Shemia ate meat.

01:03:33
Speaker 2: There was a flashback that showed a phone call where Fedra told Samia.

01:03:40
Speaker 3: That Pinky used to own a Jamaican restaurant and serve meat. But there is a scene.

01:03:46
Speaker 2: Where Kelly tells Shemia that Pinky ate meat, so there's a difference. Kelly told Shamia Pinky ate it, Beedra told Samia Pinky owned a staurant used to sell meat, but Shemiah told Pinky that Phaedra says she ate it, to which Phaja denied and said there's more things for Pinky to worry about because she heard from the credible AJC and the DAILI mail that she owes back Brant. Starting with you, Dustin, what do you think about this whole misunderstanding of meat, potatoes and back brant semantics?

01:04:31
Speaker 6: Okay, Haguash scuttle.

01:04:33
Speaker 7: But you know what I'm saying, that's what it is. It's random words. First of all, the intention is one hundred percent in the same. Whether you say she used to sell meat, which she did. She had a Jamaican spot on one hundred and forty fourth Street, one hundred and forty fifth Street, which is where I know Pinky from from back in the day, so that is true. But she never ate that shit.

01:04:53
Speaker 6: She just served it.

01:04:55
Speaker 7: We always knew Pinky was vegan even back then, so the intention in sharing that with her cast member was to shine some negative light on Pinky's authenticity as a vegan, you know what I'm saying, And it was what it was. So I don't think there was a difference in saying she ate meat or sold meat. Both were shared with the same intention. I thought from a comedic perspective, right, it was so funny to me the way SMI was like, I could have swore that Paeder told me she ate meat. That shit was funny, you know what I'm saying. I laughed, So I thought it brought some levity to levity to the show. We know it wasn't work. It wasn't true. And also Fader then Faedri just cannot escape the shackles of being a liar. She just can't because she literally said, oh, well, you talked about my kids.

01:05:46
Speaker 6: Why you didn't talk about your kids?

01:05:48
Speaker 7: Shemia said she rather have Cynthia watch her kids and you and who wouldn't went faced with the option of Cynthia Bailey watching your kids versus Faedra parts it's a clean decision, So I thought was reaching. I didn't think that Samia was Shamia literally didn't say nothing about fa or her children.

01:06:06
Speaker 6: So that was that. But yeah, I thought the intention was the same, So whatever, Blue.

01:06:17
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm trying to be nice.

01:06:18
Speaker 8: Ok Why's ability to suck the joy out of a moment this season needs to be studied.

01:06:29
Speaker 5: All she does is make weird faces and then and then like wait for somebody laughing. Nobody ever does. I'm so tired. I'm so tired.

01:06:38
Speaker 8: And the thing is, it was sorry, I'm never doing that again, but it was such a fun cute scene, Shamia was.

01:06:45
Speaker 5: It was a fun cute scene.

01:06:46
Speaker 8: And then here comes Faedr bringing it back down and you could even see that Shamia's face got serious, like no, no, I don't play with kids, Like what are you doing?

01:06:52
Speaker 5: I thought we were having this a key right, And so this is she coming back next season? That might have an intel the lady. Somebody needs to put her out the past.

01:07:00
Speaker 8: Maybe they're gonna have an all star rendition of Traders where she can impress the white folk who don't know better. But like Faser on, this show for me is a constant dud. I don't understand why she's still there.

01:07:11
Speaker 5: And also too. Can I say this nicely?

01:07:15
Speaker 8: I'm clinic to think. Okay, I'm gonna say this. I think Fader was a sympathy higher. I don't know who she has a deal with, but I really do think this season is showing that she does not need to come back. If she comes back next season, I will be very, very shocked. There are two in a world of Pinky and Angela and k Michelle Faeder has never been more redundant in my eyes. And the thing about saying, oh, well, because you said you'd rather Cynthia take care of your kids than me, you said I was a bad mother. That reach was even desperate even for her, So yeah, I'm giving her zeros across the board.

01:07:48
Speaker 5: Shamia, I will say this. We always say Shimia goes too much, like she says too much when she's doing her confessionals.

01:07:53
Speaker 8: This is a perfect example. When Shamia is light with the touch. Her comedic timing is impeccable. When she knows when the clip the moment, Yeah, that moment right there with you, the whole my Karana was too much. But when she doesn't want to clip the moment. I love her commedic timing so more of that sham.

01:08:07
Speaker 6: Girl, and she looked the good in that cat.

01:08:10
Speaker 7: So say what you want. Pretty as motherfucker. I don't give a fuck with nobody say.

01:08:14
Speaker 6: Love her or hater. She can't dress. We know that, you know what I'm saying. But but but her as a woman, Shamia is mother fucking beautiful.

01:08:23
Speaker 4: Banging body.

01:08:25
Speaker 5: It's amazing at that charity that's.

01:08:26
Speaker 7: A pretty ass woman, like like flat out like she she walked past you, You're gonna do a double take.

01:08:33
Speaker 6: She's that kind of pretty.

01:08:37
Speaker 5: But Dustin, do you think everybody was a little too fine at the charity function? It was I feel like a grown man. It was a little distracting that charity function. They all look extra kind of fine. I'm like y'all giving out.

01:08:46
Speaker 7: Songs the restaurant crossed sledty Vgan. I'd have my teddies out too.

01:08:54
Speaker 4: I can't believe I'm about to say this, but this is the one time that Phaser didn't lie right. He actually did. Pinky did serve me. But like note said, she was trying to be shady and she got caught doing it. And then July about you talked about I hate when people say you're talking about my kids when you're not when you make a general statement and then let me be clear, and hey, y'all better write this day down. Okay, here's another compliment. First, people you say I hate them. I do think Fadia is a great mom to her kids. But that does not that even with that being said, someone can still have the right to prefer Cynthia over phasia. Like there's nothing wrong with that. Like that doesn't mean that you suck as a mom. It means someone could prefer Cynthia and it's a preference. And you know, I think she said something about look at how no Well be traveling the world. Noah has a fly ass lifestyle and she's always the soul like she listen, the girl was like thirteen fourteen years old. We was on a yacht in the Bahamas, Okay, a private yacht which is five of us. Okay, her mom or her daughter and me and my friend. Like like, she's had a dope ass life and she's very mature and and to Fagi's credit, her sons turned out amazing. They're very hand some smoking, smart, mostly intelligent children. From what I can see. I don't know them like that from what I see as an outside looking in, so you cannot take away or anything about Phaser with being a mom. She's just annoying as a member of the Real Housewives of Atlanta, and her wigs usually look good. And I saw the guy that does a wigs online that does a great job. I forgot his name. No disrespect the one she had on this one. It was given the girl that's on the package of the hot chocolate, like the Swiss miss girl with a part down the middle. Hard. I hated it and it just irritated me and Padre, you're reaching with you talk about my kids. It was like you're losing what made you great, Like you don't have that thing anymore where you're like your your clop ax, your logic, your why is not there anymore.

01:10:41
Speaker 6: You just your rindtones on your eye lids and roses in your hair. You need to go back to that. Stick your roses back in your hair. I'm with Claudia on this one.

01:10:50
Speaker 7: We're not even gonna sit here and pretend like Fader don't love her kids and it's not a great has not shown herself to be a great mom.

01:10:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that is. And we're not even gonna pretend about that. Or play no games about that.

01:11:01
Speaker 7: Faedra has always percentaris up presented herself as a loving, doting mother to her children.

01:11:07
Speaker 6: And you can't dispute that. So like that just is what it is.

01:11:11
Speaker 7: I just want to add that note because I don't want people to misunderstand that, even though y'all want to misunderstand what we say anyway, but just not that, because Faedra is a hell of a mother to her sons, and they seem well.

01:11:21
Speaker 6: Adjusted and and and privileged in all the best ways.

01:11:26
Speaker 4: So I'm curious about the Phasira pinky thing though, because like Piggy has thrown some jobs to Fader's side, you know, towards Faedera about her wigs, about like little things. I wonder what they're I'm sure we'll find out.

01:11:39
Speaker 7: Well, you see, Faedra was throwing them too on the phone to me like well she used to serve, you know what I'm saying.

01:11:44
Speaker 4: I wonder what they said. They knew it was for fifteen years. So then I wonder what if we'll get to the backstory. I hope so because if not that Bravo, you're getting ripped off. You could have paid anybody to go on there and go and do this, we cover my topic, like you know what I mean? Like that's it, Like we're phaser and clock in clock in.

01:12:05
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I.

01:12:08
Speaker 2: Want to get to that too, and then I go backwards when you say clock in. The moment I was like, okay, is Phaedra about the clock in? When Harns me was getting into it and then Pinky stopped it.

01:12:24
Speaker 3: So Carlos King, Carlos, I'm gonna take you what I have done.

01:12:31
Speaker 2: Asked my witness, Poor Shamus said this, and an interview that dropped tomorrow. The moment Pinky would have said this ain't the place for it, I would have said, Pinky, we're in this place. Let these girls finish talking. If you don't want them to talk here, then at least tell them to go outside with it. But we're not not gonna have these girls addresser issue. And that was the producer me. It annoyed me because I felt like we're about to finally see Phedra clock in and the moment. Samia was ready for it and more except for her drink, ready for the fact that Pinky had the power.

01:13:12
Speaker 3: To say stop.

01:13:14
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why I would you say that?

01:13:16
Speaker 7: Like I didn't I didn't understand that why that flew either personally, especially as a day one season one viewer who remembers the season nine reunion epic four part reunion right where Samia versus Phaedra was a highlight.

01:13:30
Speaker 6: Of the region.

01:13:31
Speaker 3: Why your cheerleader?

01:13:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, all of that ship. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, so, yeah, I would.

01:13:39
Speaker 3: Have been I would have been living.

01:13:40
Speaker 2: I would have been like the moment Phaedra finally listen, I believe, And y'all gonna tell me if I got this wrong. I thought in that moment, Pedra was at least ready to get something started.

01:13:53
Speaker 4: This is her best episode where she's been the most present when we heard the most.

01:13:57
Speaker 7: I will say that, yeah, me, she's not intimidated by Shemia in conflict, and so I think that that kind of spoke to her readiness for the moment.

01:14:06
Speaker 2: I think, you know what I'm saying, I wanted, which is why I wanted it, and I love the fact that Shemiah was ready to give it. And I was like, what the fuck are y'all letting Pinky control this scene when there's cameras here, we control the scene. Excuse me, Pinky let them finish. We'll get to these burgers in a second and these backpacks, but the first thing we're gonna get so this scene can be interesting.

01:14:34
Speaker 3: Let these girls do what they do.

01:14:36
Speaker 2: It's sort of like when in Mexico Season six, episode thirteen, they're in Mexico and Fedra and Kenya are getting into it and Kenya kept over talking Fedra and he said, Fedra never says anything.

01:14:54
Speaker 3: Can you at least let her finish? Because they were like, she's clocked in because she saw you talk to her.

01:14:59
Speaker 2: He everybody knows that Faedr isn't the one to always give it, but when she does, that's when you, as producers, you say quiet on the set, cook, and let's see what she can give. So I thought Faeda was ready to do it, and I was disappointed that Pinky stopped it and they left her.

01:15:18
Speaker 4: It's like Pinky forgot she was on a reality show and she thought she was really and people give people like a lot of shit with these shows. Oh, I can't believe you mess up that charity event. These events be bullshit for TVO. Okay, maybe up for the show. If everyone in there has signed a release that not real events. Half the time. Okay, nine times out of ten. Sometimes they are, but for the most part they are for the show. You can turn up with those events. So y'all you want to mess up the event, fuck that event. The event is for Bravo. The event is for the network, and yeah, I want to mess it up.

01:15:54
Speaker 3: We pay and in some cases we paid for it. I'm not saying the Pinky thing and listen, yes it was charity.

01:16:01
Speaker 4: I get it.

01:16:02
Speaker 2: There were kids there, so like this is House fives. I agree what we're doing here, so I thought was gonna give it. But I do agree with all of you. I there is something we'd between Phadr and Pinky. My hope is that we get it.

01:16:21
Speaker 3: What we are going to get next week is Pinky versus Angela, which I heard.

01:16:25
Speaker 2: I heard that was gonna be great. But I want to see Faedra clock in. I want to see Fadra gather the girls, and.

01:16:34
Speaker 3: I'm I don't. I don't know if we're gonna get that with her in Pinky this season.

01:16:39
Speaker 6: I'm not. I don't know. We won't.

01:16:41
Speaker 7: If you want Fraser to clock in, figure out a way to bring Candy back, Let's have the conversation.

01:16:51
Speaker 6: Fuck it.

01:16:51
Speaker 7: If you want fare to clock in, then someone has to figure out how to have a successful negotiation with Candy Burrs to bring her back to the show, because that is the ultimate clocking in that we will received from both of them, to be honest with you, So whatever we need to do to sweeten the pot to make that happen.

01:17:12
Speaker 6: What a return for Candy, you know what I mean? What a what a that? That's the show. So if you want to if you.

01:17:19
Speaker 7: Want Fader activated, everything else is child's play to her because she's in a great position on the cast.

01:17:24
Speaker 6: She's tenured. The network obviously fucks with her. They moved her from show to show.

01:17:29
Speaker 7: She has she has privilege amongst the cast, and you can tell by the way that she chooses or the choices that she makes, you know her engagement. So if you want to see Phaedra shook up, bring Candy back.

01:17:44
Speaker 8: But but Dustin and Carlos. First of all, Dustin, that is exceptional. I hope somebody.

01:17:51
Speaker 5: I would pay to see that.

01:17:52
Speaker 8: Kenya or Candy. Yeah, what if they already let that moment happened? If Fadrier kept falling flat? So this time they didn't care to stop it because my thing is, Fader's been falling flat so much, and there have been so many confrontational moments that were lackluster. There might have been nothing to say that you wanted to empty the clip.

01:18:12
Speaker 6: The clip might be empty, might not be no clip.

01:18:14
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing. Well, and and that's a fair assessment.

01:18:18
Speaker 2: But the thing for me was like, let us let us least see it so that listen, we're gonna have a real conversation. It is trending on social media whether or not Faedra is good for the show anymore. I'm sure Faedra has seen it, and only Fadri can answer that herself. They and listen, Fadri has fans who feel like, I think she's.

01:18:41
Speaker 3: Great, y'all are haters and that and and they they they have the right to say that. But what we're not gonna do is not talk about the fact that there is this call to action when it comes to whether or not she is who the fans fell in love with.

01:18:58
Speaker 2: And that's why as a producer, it is one of those things where it's sort of like either she's gonna give it or she has to be able to do it. And that's why I just had a bad reaction with Pinky stop there because I said, well, if I.

01:19:16
Speaker 3: Was Phaedra, I would say I tried.

01:19:19
Speaker 7: But yeah, Fadri is a cast member that is beloved right by the fans and by the audience of the show, and there is a value.

01:19:27
Speaker 6: There's value to that, right. But when it comes to abilities amongst the cast, right.

01:19:33
Speaker 7: When it comes to someone who can anchor a show, someone who can can be have a cast built around them in a way that the other cast members are supplemental and they are the one who are providing the energy and stuff. Faeder simply is not that cast member. Don't make her a bad cast member, don't make her a good one. It's just it's not her skill set. That's not her strong suit. And so I think that somewhere along the way the the adoration of the fandom and her success on other shows on other platforms, I think that those two things equated to value amongst this show, and that contributed to her coming back.

01:20:11
Speaker 6: And I'm not a hater, so good for her.

01:20:13
Speaker 7: I'm glad that she's back and able to do her thing again, raising two black sons. I want to see her employed and doing well. But I'm also not going to denote her as this heavyweight amongst the housewives in the housewives zeitgeist, that she.

01:20:27
Speaker 6: Simply is not able to live up to. She's not.

01:20:29
Speaker 7: Y'all just love her and it's okay, and you should if that's your girl. Like, I don't think there's nothing wrong with her.

01:20:35
Speaker 6: I don't want her go on. I just think it is what it is.

01:20:38
Speaker 4: It's like loving your favorite quarterback that was good in the nineties and how there's nostalgia, like bring them back. I want them back in the super Bowl on my team, and then they bring them back, but the arm isn't what it used to be or they were good when they had that certain team around them, but with the new team, it's not really working.

01:20:55
Speaker 6: It's yeah, you cook right there.

01:20:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we need to simmer on that a bit.

01:21:00
Speaker 2: Claudia made a lot of sense that actually I think that to me, that sort of like solidifies it. Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan. But if you bring Michael Jordan back with these with the with the current players on on the on the Bulls, he's not going to be as great as he was because back then he did have Scottie Pippen and that's why Scottie Pippen was.

01:21:22
Speaker 3: Like you were everything.

01:21:24
Speaker 2: But let's be clear, I also was a part of that too, and I do think, look, I do think there is something to say about people bringing out the best in you when you are a part of an ensemble. And that's why I don't believe in bringing someone back because they're a familiar face.

01:21:44
Speaker 3: I believe in bringing someone back because they make sense with this current slew of cast.

01:21:51
Speaker 5: And the story.

01:21:53
Speaker 2: You know, and I listen, Pedro works to me when it's heard Portsche Candy, Kenya and needy yep yep, because.

01:22:03
Speaker 4: She was good at like bringing it to Kenya sometimes and then also then Nanni was good at checking her and being like, hold up, I didn't know you back then. So like that in that dynamic, like there was a time you could almost root for her, right and then there's a time you can root against her. It was like interesting, but now it's like she's awkward. I think I think having her on ice all these years and then kind of her kind of like doing a marriage medicine or Dubai whatever she was doing, like she kind of lost something. And maybe that's also when you get fired from a show or taken off a show, suspended you sometimes like you lose a step. Like again, to give you a sports analogy, you know, when you're out the game for a few years, you're gonna come back. That arm's gonna be a little rusty. It's not gonna be look at what it was before because you was in a rhythm. You was in a rhythm, and now you don't have your old teammates and you're rusty. And then I also think the stuff that used to work back then is not working now because like everyone else has stayed on the show or kind of stayed in the mix, they've actually been able to grow and kind of move with the times. Phaser is like a man that went to prison in nineteen eighty nine and got let out and twenty twenty six and still wants to dress like when he went in and through two thousand nineteen. Like you know what I mean, say, your.

01:23:06
Speaker 5: Cell phone don't know what the internet is?

01:23:09
Speaker 4: Like, what is this? What fo situation?

01:23:12
Speaker 6: Again?

01:23:12
Speaker 3: I have to but I have to say this in Favor's defense.

01:23:16
Speaker 6: What is poor g.

01:23:19
Speaker 3: I have to say this in Fhagor's defense.

01:23:22
Speaker 2: You saw Ky Michelle say she make faces, but Cay Michelle didn't say it to Fagor's face. You saw Pinky make comments about Phaedra, but Pinky didn't make it to Favor's face.

01:23:33
Speaker 3: So in Fager's defense, that's why I believe.

01:23:37
Speaker 2: When I was producing that show and you know this, Claudia, you're telling me shade about these girls, don't mean shitay.

01:23:44
Speaker 4: It on camera?

01:23:45
Speaker 3: I would be like this, why are you telling me tell her to her face?

01:23:52
Speaker 11: Or or if you if you said it behind her back, you best believe you're gonna get the opportunity to say it to her. Faith and working with Phedra, one thing I will say working with Pedro, if you bring something to her, Pedri has never backed.

01:24:09
Speaker 3: Down for a fight that she was presented with.

01:24:13
Speaker 2: If you came at her, like when they said when Kenya Moore said you were their Clauda, you and Demetria you know mister chocolate, the man you sleeping with, she said.

01:24:23
Speaker 4: She got mad and we was like got her, you got her.

01:24:28
Speaker 12: She saw Kenya talk to Apollo and she said, my first mind was to slap the dog piss out of your mouth, like when she when you come at her, I will say.

01:24:39
Speaker 3: This about her. She she she always delivers and doesn't brought it up season nine.

01:24:45
Speaker 6: To me, it was.

01:24:49
Speaker 3: At that reunion, but she came back and forth and in my advice to the girls is this and okay, let me go.

01:24:58
Speaker 2: I'll in my my thought by saying, if you are to the housewives, if y'all want Phaedra activated, you have to tell her things to her face, because talking about her behind her back or confessionals ain't gonna work. And her defense, I will collect these mon dollar checks because you girls aren't bringing me anything to deliver with.

01:25:17
Speaker 6: And I respect that.

01:25:18
Speaker 7: My thing is she falls flat when it's time to show and improve on your feet. In the moment the men that her lives were exposed in that reunion, she literally stopped answering questions.

01:25:29
Speaker 6: Andy Cohen, Candy.

01:25:31
Speaker 7: Birrs, Todd Tucker, several people were asking her pointed questions during that reunion, and after her life was exposed, she completely shut down and deflated, which doesn't really respect, which doesn't really reflect rather fortitude and strength in high pressure situations.

01:25:51
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

01:25:51
Speaker 7: It seems like, yeah, if you're in a controlled environment where they gonna ask you a question, and you know that you can give a witty answer and without any recourse, there's no one there to respond to it. Yeah, you're gonna be funny or go a little further in your confessionals. But that never that same, the same strength never showed up in the moment when it was time to have a verbal, when it was time to discuss feelings.

01:26:17
Speaker 6: It never showed up.

01:26:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, so good out the cuff, because we all know that read that very evil read to Kenya that she's the most this is the most memorable read that I hated that blue and eye we both agree on about the pizza man, a sperm couple, all that stuff you know, that was written out and she said, I'm gonna hit it with this in round three of the questions. But go back to season seven. We was at that table in Puerto Rico, Nubie Demitria, who was in her head a lot. What did she say? She took a moment and she read her down with that number eight, with the thing you got in common is mine, You'll just got yours going in for eight and I've been with mine for eight. Fader had no response to that except I don't care about that girl, So she's I think he's highly overrated because of some written had They's like going to a freestyle battle and you have your lyrics written. Now that's not a freestyle. You can still you can still be dope rapper, you can still be dope. But it ain't off the cup, it ain't Nott the dome, and only a few of us are good at the dome like that, and I'm sorry she's not.

01:27:14
Speaker 5: One of them.

01:27:15
Speaker 6: You know what I learned though we're in the minority.

01:27:18
Speaker 7: I think that a lot of people who I think that maybe our lived experiences, maybe our own capacity to verbally, you know what I'm saying, address the situation. I think that that puts us in a place where we register the things that are said differently. And so I think that we're in the minority. Friend, after all these years, That's what I'm back because people fuck with phase or and they feel like she is great and has a sharp tongue, sharp tongue, and we simply don't. So we in the minority.

01:27:49
Speaker 4: I think. I think she's in the record skipt and you can be great and be in the moment and like process something in the moment quickly doesn't your point because we're not being fake. If you're fake, you have to keep track of the lies you said, the presentation that you're offering. Oh, I'm a religious woman, I'm a little woman of the community. I've done this, i have one cases, I'm this, I'm that, I'm a great woman, I'm classic. It's a lot to remember to keep track of in the heat of moment. But when you are who you are and who you really say you are, you can react to real time and you ain't faking shit. You don't have to remember scripts. It's all right here and right here in your heart. It's right there. You speaking from off the domino, off the heart of the heart. So that's what's the difference. Yeah, we can all go home and write some shit out and deliver it. That's the difference between comedians that can do great stand up comedian comedy or the ones that and then they go around and try to hold something they suck. You know, you can make a funny moment in the heat of the moment, you can pivot, whereas someone that has this stuff pre written and they can still be great comedians, but their shit is all written.

01:28:53
Speaker 6: Out the limited A question.

01:28:57
Speaker 8: I'm just curious all three of you if you have to chew between quitting why you were ahead and having your legacy solid or coming back for a couple extra six.

01:29:07
Speaker 5: Figures, which would you choose for preserving the legacy.

01:29:11
Speaker 3: I'll answer that great question obviously. People excuse me. People always say Carlos come back to Housewives like to Housewives. I won't ever go back to Housewives. You would kill it, right because I've done it and the legacy is there. You know, we talked about the top twenty highs for the episodes, it was you. My legacy is on that. You can't erase history.

01:29:38
Speaker 2: So for me, the reason why I really and I'm not being egotistical when I say this, because that's not where my spirit is. I have done so much to that show that no amount of money can satisfy what I built over there and where I'm.

01:29:58
Speaker 3: At today, the piece that I have today and doing other things. So I do agree with you.

01:30:03
Speaker 2: I think, listen, all money and good money, and I think there are certain people who need to look at it and say, me, going back, what else is there besides the check? And because when I look at when I look at who I used to work with, and again not to keep bringing her name. But but Portcha brought this up in an interview, is I know what to do with those girls, But I also think the times have changed, you know what I mean, Like the times have changed.

01:30:33
Speaker 3: And the world has evolved, and da da da da da da da da da.

01:30:37
Speaker 2: So I have decided there's no amount of money that anybody can offer me to go back producing on that housewolds.

01:30:45
Speaker 4: Okay, not money, But what if when Nini comes back, and when this lawsuit stuff is over with Kenya and she goes back and they have Kenya Nini po fakes believing would still be good with them? What if they bring the ogs back? Then would that be a reason to go back? Would you do? I know money is not an issue because you're rich, rich, you saw, but for the for the you know, for the culture, and like you know you, I feel like you know how to work with those girls the best, is what I'm saying. Would you go back and under those circumstances.

01:31:26
Speaker 2: That would be a great start of a conversation. But there's so much other stuff that would have to be included because and when I say, things just aren't the same anymore, Like there's so much shit with that.

01:31:38
Speaker 3: But I also think this. It's sort of like you. I do believe in this.

01:31:45
Speaker 6: I do believe in this.

01:31:46
Speaker 2: I do believe in some cases you gotta just say, like Michael Jordan, sometimes you got to sit back and be like, man, that was a great time.

01:31:55
Speaker 3: And I love it. And I will say this, I love critique the game versus being the coach of it.

01:32:04
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, you have the option.

01:32:08
Speaker 3: I like to be, you know, the reality you.

01:32:12
Speaker 5: Know, analyst.

01:32:13
Speaker 4: But what if what if the condition is.

01:32:16
Speaker 3: The graduation of it? But to go back and be like Pinky, let her finish, I'll.

01:32:21
Speaker 4: Just be What if the OG said their one conditions to come back would be if Carlos King was the executive producer. Oh and you had editing, you had complete editing and casting control.

01:32:37
Speaker 5: Cut.

01:32:38
Speaker 4: I know, Lauren, If you're huh, I said, Lauren.

01:32:46
Speaker 3: If you're listening, you are so shady Blue Claudia, I love you.

01:32:53
Speaker 5: Guys.

01:32:53
Speaker 3: Have a great weekend as well.

01:32:56
Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you, Lizzie, bye y'all.

01:33:00
Speaker 1: By Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with the Lack Effect Network.

01:33:15
Speaker 3: You can also find us on my YouTube channel. At the Carlos King Underscore