John of Showboat TV: Orchestrating Inclusion and Celebrating Diversity through Music and Autism Engagement

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I'm Tony Mantor. Welcome to Why Not Me the World?
Today's guest is John from Showboat TV. As a great
story to tell. He works within the entertainment business. He
also works with artistic people and the special needs, and
just the diversity that he works with is just outstanding.
So welcome to the show, Tony, Thank you so much.
The pleasure is allmine. So how long have you been
doing this and how did it develop into helping people
with autism and special needs within your TV station?
I suppose really going to go right back to the
beginning because I was a mobile DJ in the eighties
and nineties and I had to stop doing that. I'll
cut very long story, very sure, okay, but I had
to stop that because I had a hernia and couldn't
carry the equipment round, and I've always been an entertainer generally, Okay,
so the idea of giving up my hobby and selling
all my equipment and sitting down and watching Saturday my
TV was just horrendous. Sure, so I, with the money
that was accrueding from the sale of the equipment, I
bought some video equipment, video cameras, video editing, stuff like that.
And then everybody said, oh, you've got to go on
film weddings now, are you. I said, well, no, I've
done fifteen years worth of weddings and birthday parties and things.
I want to do something different. So a drama group
came to me and said, let's do a film. Now.
We had no experience whatsoever with films, so it was terrible.
Okay.
I look back at the early years and they ghastly,
but you know, we carried on regardless. And then the
idea of making content specifically for the Internet, especially again
in the day's pre YouTube, and that's where showbow TV
really came into into being. And then I flipped my
work and I gave up my job and I made
my hobby my job, and then became the self employed
as the director of Showbout TV. So that's where Showbow
TV really came into being. That's awesome, and I was
I was never university educated. I've always been self taught.
School I came out with very very low grades, and
as a result, when I've been applying for work, I've
always been like turned down at the first fence because
they say, you haven't got the qualifications to match what
we need. So even though I've got the experience and
I've got the skills, i don't have the paper qualifications,
And the thought of going back and doing those paper
qualifications just scares the heck out of me. So I've
always been self taught. And when I became an employer
with show About TV, then I thought, well, I don't
really want to give these opportunities to people who've got
so many other opportunities anyway. So I've always looked at
giving a break to the people who are struggling to
get work.
I think that's awesome.
So with that in mind, I approached various training courses
in the local area, and I've said to them, if
you can give me somebody on a workplacement for a
couple of months and they can come in and basically
create their own job. So if they come in for
say twelve weeks, and at the end of the twelve weeks,
the profitability of Showburt has gone up to pay their wages,
then they stayed.
That's a great way to look at it.
That can happen in many ways. I mean, it doesn't
have to be in sales. Some people just came into
to be the office cleaner, but what that meant was
that the core team weren't cleaning the offices and they
were spending their time being more profitable. So that way,
people who were struggling to get work managed to come
into the studios then and create work for themselves. And
I'll say in that short time when they were on workplacement,
we had the necessary cash flow for them to create
the job that they needed to create. Naturally, then this
training course had people who had special needs. They were
perhaps autism or various various other learning difficulties, and that
they naturally then came into the studio, and some of
them were much much better than the university educated people
that came in because they didn't have any kind of ego,
so we didn't have anything to prove, and they came
in willing to learn and their efforts were just superb.
So that's that's a very long, a long story cut
down to a slightly slightly longer story.
Well, I think that's great.
The beauty of what you just said is that you're
allowing people to come in irregardless of what they are,
whether they're autistic or have some special needs.
And you're willing to give them that.
Opportunity to try something, work at something, and then hopefully
work into something that is a win win situation for
everyone involved. And then once you did get more artistic
people and special needs, when you started training them, because
they are known to be very focused and dedicated, what
was your reaction and what was their reaction to some
of the things that you had them doing within the station?
Do you know this? This is going to sound rather conceited,
it's the wrong word, but we didn't notice, If I'm honest,
we were always kind of well, you've always got equal opportunities,
and people really go out of their way to be
equal opportunities, et cetera. But we just that's how we were.
Everybody came in had their own way of learning and
their own way of working, and each person was an individual.
So when they came in, then we would sit with
them and said this is how you do your job,
et cetera. And you could see where their skills were
going to be. And some people came in and they
had no idea what they wanted to do, and I'd say, well,
try to do a bit of reception work and a
bit of customer services. Others wanted to just do some
data entry on the computer and you be database in
front of them, et cetera. Other people want to be
more creative and get behind the cameras. And it was
a really kind of open plain for them to come
in and try whatever they wanted to do. And I say,
everybody was taken on their own merits and we didn't
look at what their needs were necessarily, but after a
half hour conversation at the beginning of the day, you
could see where they're skill sets were and unharness it.
Really Yeah, that's so true.
Now there's a lot of people that don't realize that
some of the celebrities they watch and listen to are artistic.
So did you have any of the people that you
dealt with that were autistic that really would have rather
gotten in front of the camera than being behind in
the background all the time.
A couple, not many, to be fair, most of them
were more interested in the production side of it. Okay,
we did have We did have one girl who was
a very very good singer, and she spent more time
in the vocal booths than actually doing any work. But again,
but again that was fine because I always look at
that as performance being part of a job.
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah.
At the end she was employed as a presenter. So
so again that that's another way that autistic people got
did get involved, was sitting in front of the camera
and having a smile and talking to people, because very
often they're very good at very good at chattering.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Now, I had an interesting conversation with a radio station manager.
He hired a couple of autistic presenters, and the interesting
part about that is they kind of got into a
little squabble between the two of them, and one of
them said, well, he should understand what I'm going through.
He's autistic too.
The guy said, well, you know, just because he's autistic
doesn't mean that he's the same as you are. And
the old saying goes, you've met one autistic person, You've
met one autistic person. Have you run into anything similar
to that in your situations with the people you've had.
Not really, No, I mean I was sorry, sorry to
cut that conversation dead, but good Again. Everybody was individual,
and it wasn't just autistic people that came in. Some
people were physically disabled, others were learning difficulties. I don't
want to describe us as a bunch of misfits.
I don't believe anyone would think that.
We were people who were all had different needs and
different different skill sets. Yeah, and I always look at
I don't look at the needs. I look at the
skill set.
I think that's awesome.
This one guy who was he had a lot of
physical disabilities and mentally he was quite slow in picking
things up, and his speech was rather slow. And again
when you taught him things, he had to be taught
several times. But once he got it, once he got it,
he was super And again because of his autism, his
attention to detail was second to none. Sure, so when
he was doing data entry into our database and looking
after all the scheduling of the programs and things, I
knew if I left it to him, it was always
going to be perfect.
That's just so good.
And he could do that so much better than I could.
So I always just looked at what people could do
and looked at their skill sets rather than their needs.
Does that make sense, Absolutely?
And I think that's great because with so many different
people that I've taught with that are artistic. On my podcast,
I've had one person tell me that if you walked
into a pharmaceutical laboratory and you threw a pebble at somebody,
you're probably going to hit somebody this artistic. So many
people do not realize what autism is. There's a lack
of understanding there, and I think the fact that you're
willing to help these people, so I think that's just
great that you're doing that.
Absolutely. I've got to tell you a story about one
young lady. Obviously I can't mention names, et cetera. Okay,
this young lady came in on a workplacement and she
was so nervous her mom had to sit downstairs in
the green room. On the first day, she didn't even
go down and talk to her mum because she didn't
need to. She just felt so included. And her mom
said to me, like in our coffee break and several
of us were downstairs, and she said, I was a
bit worried because she's the only girl in the office.
And this one guy who was one of my editors said,
do you know, I don't get anybody noticed. And it
wasn't that we did know surgender, but it wasn't it
wasn't relevant, right, right, And we've always been very proud
in the fact that we are kind of gender blind,
color blind, and again, regardless of whatever their abilities are.
And this girl, why could she draw? And she would
come in with a sketch pad and she was just
doodling for a lot of the day. Wow, that's nice,
by the foot By lunchtime on the first day, I said,
we need an animation program because you just love drawing.
So let's let's come up. Let's come up with a
program now which involves animation. And she became a really,
really good animator.
Oh that's really good.
Yeah.
It's unfortunate that autism is like, I think, one percent
of the population in the world. And it's unfortunate that
the other people that don't understand autism don't make some
sort of effort to find out what's going on so
that they can be more inclusive. Because there's just a
lot of brilliant people that are autistic, and they can
do so much and contribute to society. There's a lot
of things that we have right now that if it
wasn't for autistic people, we may have it.
It been delayed by seven years.
Yeah, you're so right again. You know, the people who've
been very high on the autistic spectrum, we've come into
the studios. They are so focused on what they do.
And again, one of our schedulers, he just basically sat
down moving programs into the schedule to make sure they
were broadcast on time. And I didn't even have to
check his work. I knew I could just sit back
and relax. No, it's going to happen. But again, we
weren't really thinking about, oh, he's autistic, he needs this,
and she needs this because she's autistic. Because he wasn't autistic.
He was I'm not going to use his name, but
he was Bob and and she's not autistic. She's Jane.
And that's everybody had. Everybody's got their own traits and personalities,
and we just encouraged everybody to come along and be
part of the family. And we knew what they were
good at and as you say, the people who were
on the autistic spectrum, Oh, they had so much to
offer in terms of accuracy and creativity and creativity.
Yeah, now you've expanded what you're doing. I understand to.
Be more inclusive and do some things that actually aren't
just about show about TV anymore.
It's about the community. Yeah.
Well this was this was something I fell into by accident.
A similar sort of story. My son went to university
and came out. He was a performing arts student, okay,
came out, came home because he didn't get the brakes
and because he was always kind of middle of the
class and not top of the group, and they didn't
get the jobs that he wanted and as a result,
the stuff and had been knocked out of him for
what of a better phrase, and he just felt that
he couldn't do things. And one of your old guests
on this podcast was a lady called a lease Yes,
and she came down she was doing some film in
with Showbo TV one day and she said, well, I
run an open night and Kamal, then why do you
come up and join in? And we went up there
for a bit of fun and thinking it was going
to be.
A karaoke night.
It wasn't. It was so much nicer than that. It
was a really friendly family atmosphere. And as I was
sitting back watching it, I was realizing that the people
who were on stage weren't just karaoke sayings or wannabes,
but these were people who actually a lot of them
had confidence issues and by getting up on stage and
just having a bit of a song, it was their
weekly fix, right, And I thought, actually, this lady's doing
a lot of good. And we became good friends with
at Lease, and I supported the open mic night everywhere
I could because everybody who was getting up on stage
were getting so much out of it.
That's great.
And then a couple of years later, at least at
least retired and they're going to end it, and again
the DJ and me said, oh no, we're not going
to leave this. So she put my name forward and
I've taken over as the host. So again it's another
comedy of errors, but it's just another way that I've
got involved.
So how long, I mean, is it a full night,
is it a couple hours? How long does it last?
And what type of people do you have they get
up there on that stage.
It's well, where do you start again? It's another group
of misfits for one of a better phrase, but we're
It's eight o'clock to eleven o'clock in a small raf
club in Cammarden and it's just kind of open to everybody.
It's a real family atmosphere.
Nice.
Everybody who comes in feels part of the gang, which
is how I felt when I started going there. That's
that kind of feeling has just gone on.
That's just such a great atmosphere to be part of.
It's got a karaoke sort of feel, and that people
come up on stage one at a time and sing
to back in tracks. Something that I've introduced in the
last couple of years though, is getting people to sing
with each other.
That's nice.
So if two people have both sung the same song,
I think, well, let's get them on stage and sing together.
That's a great idea because friendships spark that way absolutely.
And then I like to pick a couple of group
songs where lots of people can come up on stage
in a kind of a four or five piece band
only for the one night, and they become friends with
each other and less experienced people can sing along with
the more experienced people.
That's a great idea.
Once again, people who have confidence issues, people who have autism.
One guy is bipolar and schizophrenic, but oh boy, can
he get up and perform and have a bit of fun.
That's what it's all about.
And he's great fun to be with. And again, because
it's an RAF club, the Air Force Club, there's a
lot of senior people in there and they don't have
much to live for apart from going down and meeting
friends and coming out on a Sunday. I've a bit
of a sing song, so they just for those moments.
So do they get you up there at all?
I sing in a way that doesn't give any entertainment
to anybody, but but yeah I will. Again, you can't
ask people to do anything that you're not prepared to
do yourself.
Right, at of the things that you've done, you know,
because it Showbow TV and because of this Sunday night
thing that you do. What are some of the things
that you can sit back and look at and say
after a few years or a few months, or whatever
the timeframe may be, and say, wow, that was a
real success.
Oh hang on? What hang on? Max is telling me
something oh, go on, tell me, come on match just
to speak speak up, Come on, she's She's prompted me.
You can get her on the microphone too if you want,
you know. I, funnily enough, I had exactly the same thought.
Okay, there is one young lady who when I first
went there as a as a guest to the open
mic nights. Okay, she was I'm trying to think of
the right phrase confidence right through the floor. And she
got up to sing, she forgot the words, she started
to cry. Everybody just cheered and clapped her arm, and
she did finish the song. And for the next couple
of months I kind of overlooked her rudely enough, And
over a couple of years, I've seen her grow and
grow and grow through doing these Sunday nights, and her
confidence got better and better and better. Then I tried
to get it down to come to Show About TV
and do some filming with us. That took several months
to get her to be confident enough to come down.
Then she did start coming down, and now I can't
stop her coming down because she just loves every second
of it.
That's great.
But now now I listened to her sing and she
is absolutely phenomenal nice. The quality of her voice is
almost one of the best voices I've heard for a
long long time. And I think that's just become a
success story from the whole project. Just to see the
way that her confidence has grown. She's performed at various
theaters and churches and weddings and things. To see the
way she's gone from a very timid sort of person
who wouldn't even get up on stage to this fantastic
performer is It's just superb to watch and I'm so
glad to be able to stand next to her on
a Sunday introducer because she is an incredible singer. She's
got to go a long way.
That's good.
So many people will look at somebody and then because
they don't have the confidence, they don't have the inclination
they get up there and sing or perform to a
very high standard. And just to be able to nurture
that and follow it through and see it through to
the end where it can be a success story, that's
got to take and fill you with pride and make
you feel real good about it.
Absolutely, it's great to see accomplished singers coming up on stage,
but when you see the transition from beginner to accomplished
singer or accomplished anything. Really Yes, yes, get in again
in the growdroots and say yes you've got talent and
to be part of the growth. It's a great feeling.
Now with the good always comes to bad unfortunately. How
have you handled or have you had this pop up
to where you get someone up there this artistic or
special needs, or has you know something that's not quite right?
How have you overcome some.
Of those things where maybe one or two people might
throw some darts at people and try and demean them
so that they can put them down and kind of
compress them away from it so that they could still
move forward and still become a success.
I think a lot of the credit for that has
to come from the audience. We talk about the open
mic nights again though, would take it yet? Yes, the
audience are very encouraging it the real family feeling. I
always say to everybody that sit back, enjoy the music.
We're not going to force anybody to cover and sing
if you don't want to. But all I ask is
that you sit down and give lots of encouragement and
support to everybody who comes up on stage. Because it's
not easy to stand up and sing in front of
forty to fifty one hundred people. So I asked the
audience just to take part and whoop and cheer and
clap all the time, even when people don't deserve it.
But they must give that kind of encouragement. And to
be fair, they always do. They don't need me to
say that, they just do. And some people come up
on stage and they I can't say so. They're singing.
They make some kind of noise, but they have fun,
and that's the important thing. They have fun.
That's right.
And at the end of the song they put the
microphone down, they take a bow, but the audience are
in rapturous applause.
That's so good to hear.
We very very rarely get any negative feedback from the audience.
That's good.
I think that's that's one of the reasons I think
why I took it over, because it was such a
welcoming environment. We've never really had a bad audience. To
be fair, again, we get regulars coming each week, so
I know every week it's going to be a safe
environment to bring newcomers into it as well. So when
people a couple of oh, I don't want to get
them to sing, don't you know it doesn't matter everybodysier
just to just to have a bit of fun when
people come on stage and they can be a bit
drunk or or a bit of a handful. Some people
with additional needs can be a bit troublesome. And again
I go back to my days as a mobile DJ,
when when you've got the best amount of the wedding,
who can be a bit of a handful. So I
learned my trade at the grassroots when when you're out
on the club circuits and you know you've got a
bunch of rowdy drunks on a hen night, bachelor party
or anything like that, and so and I can I
can then steer them into a way where come on,
let's get you singing again. The audience then start feeding
in as well, and we then suppressed any kind of
negativity and then move on to a bit of singing.
Very really do have to put my foot down, very.
Really because it's about community. I mean, it's community supporting
other people that need that support. Because there's a lot
of people out there that.
We've been very fortunate.
We don't have any problems, we don't have any health issues.
We don't have this or we don't have that, and.
It's very easy for someone that has that little chip
on their shoulder to you know, kind of be condescending
to people that have issues. And so when you can
get a community that can come together and support those
that really need it, to see potential development and growth
within those people, it's a pretty special thing.
Absolutely. And similarly, on that note, when when people have
additional needs and things, once they've been on stage and
they've had that feedback, they feel good about themselves. When
they walk back to their seat, they then feel a
part of the community, but be supportive to the next
person who's going to come up on stage. So somehow
we always kind of include everybody and it just happens organically,
not really take the credit for it. It's it's the
whole community coming together. But when newcomers join in then
and they get up on the stage, they get that
kind of I got to say the Gremlin welcome. I
just dropped the name of the club then, but they
get they get the Gremlin welcome and and they kind
of integrate them and they feel a part of the family.
And when the next person gets up on stage, well
then they think, oh, that's that's the support I've got
to give.
Them right now.
Have you had anyone that's come into those events that's
ultimately maybe work their way into coming down and working
with you at the TV station.
Most of them, I think have come down and had
to go again. On a very selfish note, well, I
think I think I'm always on the lookout for new
people to come down and have a look at what
we do down here in show books. So when we
first went to the open mic, obviously, as well as
hoping that my son was going to take part in
it and shake off the hang ups that he had,
I was also on the lookout for talent as well.
But the way it turned out is that I wasn't
asking talented people to come down and take part. I
was asking people who were friendly and having fun to
come down and have some fun with us. Sure, and
as it's gone on, new people have come in and
once as long as they can sing up to a
certain standard, and it's great to welcome them down here
at chow Boat. Obviously we can't open the doors to
every karaoke singer that comes into the club, but as
long as they hit a certain standard. Now there's one
young lady who she's been singing at the Gremlin now
for about a year, and I've seen her grow and
grow and grow. And she just came down a month
ago and recorded her first music video and we're going
to be releasing that very soon. And that's that's just
somebody who came in off the streets and just fancied
getting up and having a go. And she was okay.
But you know, I'm comparing her as an okay singer
against the various professionals that have to over the years.
Sure, yeah, she's she's.
A decent thing and now she's a rather good sayer
and I can't wait to see where she's going to
be in another twelve months time. So so yeah, I
think Showbot is always a little character dangle in front
of these singers and say, you know, keep practicing and
you'll be able to come down and shoot your music videos.
Now, do you do anything else?
Far as I'm because I know you you go on
the road every now and then and do some location
videos and everything. Do you do any other location videos
that might include special needs or autism or anything along
that line.
No, I don't think so, No, not not so much
in the in the outside broadcast. We've there is a
group of special needs people who meet weekly in Pembrokeshire
and it's called Pembrokeshire People First. And they called me
up one day and said, do you think we could
have a tour around your studio? How could you say no?
So they came around and they had a bit of
fun around the studios and they made their own podcasts
and to shoot their shot their own music videos, presented
the weather, presented the news, and got into the costume room,
did a bit of a dressed up right sure. And
as a result, now when they tend to have fates
and events and things stage productions, I'm always invited to
go out and pass a bit of filming with them.
I've been integrated into their production, which is which had
been quite welcome.
Artistic people are known for meltdowns.
A lot of people don't differentiate between somebody just having
a tantrum or having a meltdown. Have you ever had
situations either at your Sunday night events or people that
are working at showbode Occasionally they might just hit that
nervousness or something happens and then they have a meltdown,
and if they did, how do you handle it?
Very very raally good. I've had more meltdowns with people
who have been university educated, okay, and as a result
think they know better than the rest of us, right,
have more meltdowns than the autistic people who are really
enjoying what they do. Again, I think back to the
young lady who's animating and she just wants to draw,
and for her to be able to spend eight hours
a day drawing, she's she's loving, like, that's great. So
the meltdowns come very very rarely good. And again, as
the manager, I tend I have to manage tantrums and
meltdowns from non autistic people, right, right, So the meltdowns
and tantrums from autistic people tend to be a lot
easier to manage.
Yeah, yeah, that's good because you.
Know where it's coming from, and you know they don't
necessarily mean it's it's often our fault, right, because we've
approached the situation for the wrong angle, and I think, right,
let's let's stop, let's start again, let's come out this
from a different way. And as a result, then we
can always get over these little hubs hubs. That's all
it is. It's a hum right.
Well, you know, I've talked with people that are ADHD
and autistic, and they're always telling me that one is
fighting the and mentally they have to really sit down
and think about what's going on so that they know
how to control the ADHD. But yet they know how
to take and handle it with their autism. So the
fact that what you just said kind of makes sense
that they're enjoying it. So chances are they're not going
to have those type of situations that would create that.
Yeah. One thing I do have to accept is that
they may not be able to sit to their desk
for eight hours.
Right. I have a hard time sitting at my desk
for an hour.
They may have to get up and walk around a
couple of times. And again, I try to be quite
flexible in that as long as we set realistic targets. Right,
I can say, right, how long is this going to
take you to do this? And they'll say, oh, about
about three weeks? And I say, oh, okay, then let's
let's schedule lot, so we're going to broadcast that in
six weeks for example. Right, we've got a bit of
breathing space to do it. Yeah, we know that they
can get up and walk around as long as as
long as we get the program out one way or another,
then that's that's the important thing. And it's not really
important for them to be working from nine to five
or ten till six or whatever. Right, working hours are
not important. What's important is they get what they're supposed
to do done in a realistic time frame. Sure, and
they always do. We've never missed the deadline because a
it's been realistic, it's been set with them. So they
know what they can achieve and how they can achieve it,
and they enjoy what they do, and that's the important thing.
They come in and they've they've fallen into a slot
with which is which is what they enjoy. Right, some
people don't have any creative skills, but they just like
sitting down chatting the people and who better can you
put onto the reception desk and somebody like that?
Yeah, absolutely, and you're right.
I mean I've talked with several different artistic people and
they say that the one thing that they do need
is a little space and a little time to get
up and get into their safe space, which is maybe
a loone time for five or ten minutes, and then
they get back to doing what they set out to do.
Yeah, exactly. I can't add anything to that. Really, it's
they again, but they just need to If they fail,
like they're being a bit overwhelmed, they can go down
and have a cup of tea, sit in the green
room for a bit. And if I'm missing anybody, well
then I know where they are. They haven't gone far
and they'll be back at the minute. What's the problem, right?
Okay, So you're standing in front of one hundred people
right now, or a thousand people, whatever the number may be,
and you're trying to put across something that they can
take home and absorb and realize what autism is about
and how people deal with it.
What would you like to tell them?
Oh, good question, good question. I don't want to sound
disrespectful to autism because but at the same time, I
think we just got to look at everybody as individuals.
Everybody is different, everybody's got something to bring to the
party one way or another, and as long as we
listen to what that person has in terms of their
skill sets and their needs and what we could do
for them as well, as what they can do for us.
That sounds like a quote. I'm not sure who first
said that, but but you know, it's a two way
thing and that's that's what community is, right. And again,
every member of staff who came in, not only was
I looking to see what they can bring the showboat,
but also how can we encourage their learning sets so
they can become a better person and better animator, editor,
whatever they happen to be, so everybody grows together. And yeah,
I would just really sort of encourage everybody to listen
to the person they're talking to and remember that everybody's
different and everybody has needs of some kind. It's just
that autism and autistic people may have slightly more needs
than others. But again, I think that's that's really important,
is to grow the community by seeing what everybody needs.
Absolutely, well, I really appreciate you taking the time to
come on.
No, it's been a joy. Can I can? I can
sit and talk for another hour if you want me to.
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