Coaching Carousel

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Speaker 1: Should we talk about Karma the president of campaign or your bike?

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Speaker 2: Your bike?

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Speaker 3: I need to get back in chip so yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Hi everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast. I'm here with Caitlin Thompson Andrea Pekovic has decided to head back to Germany for a little bit, so we'll give her a break because she's just the traveling Woelbury.

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Speaker 1: She was here for three weeks salad similarly, eating unhealthy foods, working morning in and Nate, although you were too, and you're still here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still here. I'm a trooper. No, she's gone back. I think she's doing some work. But anyway, everyone, I sent out a tweet earlier today to get a few questions from you, and we're going to get to those. But before we get to those, one of the pending things that I put out on Twitter, I think on Friday of last week was the surprise of Naomi Osaka given the old Flicky rou to the old whim for set and apparently rehiring or not rehiring hiring the one and only Patrick Moritaglu. What are your thoughts on this, because I have many and I did tweet out something along the lines of a Taylor Swift song, meaning if I was a man and no emone' was like, what do you mean? And I said, you're a man, you don't understand these things. But what are your thoughts on this, Caitlin?

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Speaker 1: I like that you've gone from an outright aggression on Twitter to a little bit more of a cryptic.

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Speaker 2: It's growth, Caitlin.

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Speaker 3: It's growth. It's proud of you, It's growth.

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Speaker 1: I am shocked.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm a little shocked.

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Speaker 1: Not that necessarily the whim fa set Naomi Osaka partnership didn't work out the second time around. Obviously they combined successfully pre child he started working with Jun Ching Wan, then Jung Ching One, and then he ditched Jung Ching One kind of at an inopportune time to sort of jump back on the ship rush back into work with Naomi, which you know, it was a bummer. She didn't like it. She sort of had some comments about it, Junction One did about how she felt like it was a betrayal, which I get it. I mean, it seemed like they had an agreement. I also, you know, and you can maybe speak to this if you're a coach and a big opportunity arises, even though I would sort of say junction one is probably a bigger opportunity. Certainly now in retrospect, that looks like the right call to get with a player who you've won for Grand Slams with, you know, like I get it.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit of.

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Speaker 1: A mercenary vibe out there that said they haven't done anything together really and Patrick and Naomi Whim and Naomi round two. Namis had a you know, rough re entry back into the pro ranks. She's not really made too much of a dent in the last six to nine months, which makes sense. But also, you know, obviously something wasn't clicking. She didn't feel like she could find her best game. I don't know who initiated this split, do you.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't, but I would have. And there's no way Whim is giving up that gravy train unless he feels like I Am not getting enough gravy out of this train because he likes the money. Like that's a lot of the I know for a fact, you know, some of the things that got him fired from other jobs is that he wanted more money. And so I just wonder if her not getting deep into tournaments and winning tournaments because as a coach, you get bonuses. Okay, so there's some coaches and I get asked this question quite a bit, like how much the coaches make, what's the normal rate? Blah blah blah. And some coaches are daily, literally daily, some are weekly, Some are on a retainer for an entire year. They might say, like, for example, Emma Navarro, I think she signed a sort of contract with her coach for two years. Now, as far as I'm concerned, there is pitfalls to that, Like what if after six months you're like, this guy's an effing nightmare or I'm not learning anything from this person, then you're like stuck with them, you say.

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Speaker 1: Or on the other side, which happened the coach realizes, oh, my player has no work ethic and has is a b and won't work hard.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin, on that respect, it's you do you do sign that contract for two years? Going, okay, my player after six months is a nightmare, blah blah blah blah blah. But you're guaranteed the money, right, You're guaranteed money. So some players, you know, sign a contract for say a year and pay their coach. I don't know. I've never I don't know, but let's saye hundred and fifty thousand or two hundred thousand dollars bomb that's it. That's all you're getting. Most me, when I was coaching, I always took from the bonuses. I always took from the seed on. That was always that's my rule. Like if my player was number one seed, they had to make the final. If they didn't make the final, I haven't done my job. That's how I felt. If they were the fourth seed, if they made the semi final, then I've done my job in some respects. And then everything on top of that is a gravy, right, is a bonus, the cherry on top. But if they're losing in the first round, I'm not taking seven percent of their freaking prize money. And there aren't coaches that do that. So you know, think about seven percent.

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Speaker 3: Of in addition to the base salary.

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Speaker 2: In addition to the base salary, so you're getting a base salary. So I would work on weekly basis. This is how much you pay me for the week, and then I take a bonus on you.

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Speaker 1: Know, if you get further than maybe anticipated, that's fair is.

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Speaker 2: That on fair And I don't think there's a lot of coaches that do what I do. But I think because I was a former player, I just feel like I just feel like that's the right thing to do. Now. Some coaches get you know, some players get the ships after a month and like, oh, I don't like you out of there, and you may have said no to somebody else that may be more successful or may be willing to pay you a little bit of money. Most coaches will jump ship most of the time. I'm not that type of person, and I like my credibility and I like my reputation.

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Speaker 3: Intact, when I leave situations for sure, and you want to say.

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Speaker 2: When situation and be like you kind of got what was that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, think he got played.

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Speaker 1: I think she based on nothing, no wins at or knowledge whatsoever. But based on the fact that she already has what appears to be her next coach lined up, and when Faset does not have what appears to be his next player line that, as far as we know, it does seem to indicate, based on speculation, that maybe she initiated this and wanted a change again, based on no one set her information whatsoever, and I have to say, Patrick is a choice.

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Speaker 3: It's a choice, it's a statement. It's a statement and a choice.

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Speaker 2: She's always looked up to Serena, so maybe she's thinking that this is going to be her you know, moment where she can pick up someone who has you know, molded the Serena Williams person. I would argue and say, there's a lot of coaches that could have made a huge difference in Serena Williams's life. You know, when he picked her up, she was in a bit of a you know, a bit of a slump. But anyone with a brain in their head knows that every player goes through stump a slumps, and someone as good as Serena was always going to bounce back. This is a player that got to where she got to, you know, with her mom and dad sort of being the ones in there helping her navigate that.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, it is a little.

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Speaker 2: Good coach would have made Serena Williams, I'm sorry, a better player. They would have with those tools, with that serve with her work ethic. Let's not I worked with her. I know her work ethic was unbelievable. She pushed herself really hard on the court. She always did the right thing, and her you know determination won her so many matches through the years, as well as her thamis. But like since then, you know, before Serena and after Serena, what are the great accomplishments that these players just bow down and think He's going to be the difference maker in my life? I mean, I mean, he arguably is fucked up Simona Harlett's life, you know, with this incidence, with these you know, allegations of who is the one that brought these people in that has you know, put this stuff in her drinks or whatever the hell, and she's now you know, had had a two year suspension. I mean, I don't know, I'd be a little wary of having people around me that had those credentials.

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Speaker 1: I have no standing whatsoever to speak about Patra, but I will say I have grown kind of related to our conversation last week with Andrea about Nick Kurios.

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Speaker 3: From the outside, it.

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Speaker 1: Does appear that Naomi's around a bunch of people who might not be pushing her into the best sort of situations, Like is she getting a lot of you know results at the end of the day, is she playing her best tennis. Does she seem happy out there? I don't know the answers to those questions. My hope is yes, but it doesn't seem to be the case. And I think, you know, I want to sort of draw a parallel because a lot of people have criticized, including our friend Kim Cleister's on Andy Rottock's podcast was sort of I think in the nicest possible way, because she's a kind and generous person who doesn't like take shots to take shots, But Kim Cloister is sort of intimated, like, hey, I'm not sure Emarti kan, who's like got the best coaching setup if they didn't get her prepared for the US Open, especially after she'd had a pretty good Wimbledon, Right, So I think these kind of questions are fair to say, especially from former players, especially from former players and coaches, which is what you are to say, like, hey, if the results on the on the pitch are not what we want to see after a certain amount of time, you do start off to looking around, like who's in the coterie, who's in the entourage, who's making the decisions, who's setting her up with these coaches? And I think in the case of Naomi, having met her a couple of times, like, I'm not sure she's entirely in charge of her own decision making process, and so it's sort of there's a lot of noise off the court with her and the folks around her, and Patrick will not lessen that noise certainly, And you kind of got to wonder, like, what what is the goal for a player like her? Does she actually want to be playing tennis? Is she happy to be out there? Does she want to improve? I hope the answers are yes. Obviously when she plays well.

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Speaker 2: It's the answers is yes to that. There's no question in my mind she wants to come back and be good again. I think she's frustrated that she's not as good as she was before she went away and had her baby. And you know a lot of people would say that might take time to come back, and there's been some players that have struggled after having kids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, to be fair, a year is not tremendously long amount of time.

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Speaker 3: But she is young.

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Speaker 1: It's not like she's, you know, back like Andreie Kerber who's had a very long career and then had a kid and then came back.

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Speaker 2: And then but also Andie Kerber's in her mid to late thirty.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly my point.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot a lot more different. It's a lot different. Is that Does that make sense anyway? Whatever? But my whole point and bring this up is more along the lines. Also, the reason I sent out the tweet with the Taylor Swift song I Was a Man is is that these men fall up, like literally the amount of men. Just count the times that you have seen a coach get fired. Okay, they're getting fired, and then all of a sudden, two weeks later, boom they're on another with an either great player or top ten player. And then a year later, boom they get fired and they're boom back onto another player. It's like And the reason I'm saying that is, Look, I'm gonna bring myself into this situation because I have coached. I've coached some rate players. You know, Carolina Pushkova when she went to know, she was two in the world. You know, when I started working with Carolina, she was like thirteen, fourteen in the world and really a little bit struggling, you know. And then Conchita and I, you know, me to start, and then obviously Conchi came in and we were, you know, both sort of working with her like a dual coach like Darren like Sinner has, you know, with the Darren and Simoni, and we were, in my opinion, we were good for her because we worked on very different things together. And then you know, I worked with Genie Bouchard a little bit in that capacity.

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Speaker 3: And that was a huge actually like three impact.

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Speaker 2: Like one ten again with a little collaboration with the Aussie guy in Vegas. He was traveling with her there a bit, and I was working with her. There has not been one player even with Serena, like she was not playing well going into that US Open sam Stoza, like struggling a lot, you know, when she a couple of weeks later made the finals at Guangzhou and that all our attention was to try and get her back inside the top one hundred and then she you know, won another double slam, and none of that is because of me, but I was there for it, you know, and these players are the ones doing it. Since working with Serena. I've had one player in two years since working with Serena, one that an agent has called me to work.

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Speaker 3: With la Ritner.

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Speaker 2: Well he should have chosen men to say come on hold, but but but one, I've had one conversation with an agent about another player working with them. In two years now, there hasn't been one player that I have worked with that has not gone up in the rankings. Okay, and not one agent has called me because all these guy coaches have agents. Now, they have agents. The coaches have agents representing them, going hey, your player needs some help. I've got you know this guy, and I've got this guy, and I've got this guy. And they're like, oh, okay, that's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like men just go from one to the other to the other. If you're a female doing a good job on the WTA tour, it's like you've got your one chance. And then people don't think about some of these women coaches.

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Speaker 1: And do you think it's because most of the agents are men.

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Speaker 2: Dah, Yeah, of course, and they have them all in their little pocket. And I mean there are little agents.

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Speaker 3: Got a boy network, perhaps certain.

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Speaker 2: Agents that have like five or six coaches, and then they just you know, just filter them around to other players and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, so and so is available, what about him? They don't think, huh are there other people? There? Is there a woman maybe that can make a difference. I mean, look at Marta Kostuk, I mean her totally in the last year or so working with Zaneska, right, they're working with her. Conchita Martinez has made a great difference with all the players that she's worked with through the years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andreva now and obviously go being here before, Like yeah, it's sort of it's like investing Cole Pratt.

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Speaker 2: I want to throw her out there. Nicole Prat's done a great job through the years with a bunch of Aussie girls that are not hoppriv high profile, not top ten material, but certainly top fifty material, that have gotten them back from major injuries back to being inside the top fifty in the world. Nicole Prat's in a great job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like an investment bank where the women consistently return heigher than the men across the board, and yet women can't get investment to start their businesses.

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Speaker 3: It's this, it's not a dissimilar.

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Speaker 1: There's so few of them and very few people invest in them, and they get one chance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie Bolt is a good example. She's working with a female coach as well, and she's improved out of sight in the last two years. So there are a number of really great women coaches out there that do not get the opportunity. That's my point. They do not get the opportunity to work with some of these players. And I think these players would learn a lot from being around a woman who knows the game, who knows how to work with a player, who knows how to take them further in their career, fix some of the things that they're doing wrong, but be able to talk to them in a way that they don't. Men are unable to do with women, and some of these women need. And let me tell you, I can tell you coaching is eighty percent working with the psychology of a player, for sure. The other ten percent is working on their technique, and the other ten percent is working on the game plan to play against somebody. Eighty percent, Like I'm not kidding you, it's all about preparing them mentally, getting them, you know, to buy into your ideas, or mentally talking them off a ledge when they're like I suck. You know, every player goes through that. And when you've When you're around a person that's been there and done it before, it certainly helps that they understand you and your emotions. And I don't think that happens enough. So there there's my rank.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think I speak for a lot of people want to say I'm rooting for Namyosaka, so we all are. However, there does seem to be a bit of a with this announcement, which is reflected in sort of the chatter that's happened across the many, many channels of response.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: Nobody would be happier to see Nameyosaka back in the top echelines.

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Speaker 3: Of the game.

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Speaker 1: When she's dangerous and deep in a tournament. She is, you know, lightning in a battle.

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Speaker 2: My question is where will whims It find himself at the.

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Speaker 1: Estray and certainly not in chinwein John chin Win's buck. I think she's done with them.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you one thing. It'll be interesting to see because I guarantee you he'll be with a top player at the Australian.

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Speaker 3: Can I put you on the spot a little bit?

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Speaker 1: Who?

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Speaker 2: Who?

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Speaker 3: What's your Who's your dream?

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Speaker 2: Asked me that question?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, usually just do it? Who would your dream player.

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Speaker 2: Oh to coach, Oh, I'm not putting that out there. You out of your freaking mind. Me me an X, yes, you dream.

00:16:24
Speaker 3: I am playing a very important tournament in two weeks.

00:16:26
Speaker 2: I cannot fix that fourhand of yours.

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Speaker 3: It's getting better. Christy you know what Christian.

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Speaker 1: Coach?

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Speaker 3: She do not. She's seen some potential.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we have to talk a little bit about yes. But back on that, I'm not telling you who i'd like to. Can you imagine Twitter? Well, that's stupid? What do they call it now? X? Like, can you imagine?

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Speaker 3: I think X is over what a dum platform it is?

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Speaker 2: Can you believe that Elon Musk actually put that out yesterday about oh, well you know people aren't going after Harrison Walls with rifles. Basically, I was like, what the fuck are you talking about it?

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Speaker 3: I don't go on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: I think I think he took it down.

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Speaker 3: I think he took from a media perspective, Twitter does not impact anybody's bottom line. I know.

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Speaker 1: I say this from personal experience because I was the main character on Tender to Tennis Twitter a couple of weeks ago, because of this Ben Rothenberg.

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Speaker 2: Controversy, address that actually, I mean you said you wanted to sort of. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, the things I have to share do not are not going to be helpful for Ben. They call in a question a lot of his journalistic practices in a way that will only undermine his legal standing. I'm not thrilled with him, but I'm also not the kind of person that wants to see him go down, not at all, especially not considering who he's up against. For me, realizing that this legal situation had way more to do with Ben essentially turning into an activist and making it exceptionally hard to defend him through the years with his online Shenanigan's, the stuff he did, press conferences, you know, I would just say I get why Ben felt like, you know, getting a sympathetic ear from the de Factor to write a piece about how he's sad about being home during a slam. There are many, many, many outlets that could hire him, and they could choose to, and I would love for any.

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Speaker 3: Of them to do so.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm nothing if not a competitor, so I'm happy for him to go to anybody out else in the spectrum. I desperately think Tennis needs investigative journalism.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know you have. I can say this for a fact. You are a very big proponent of that. You you have a hard time with certain people, whether it be myself, who have conflicts with working at ESPN and having to deal with you know, players on a regular basis. Like people come at me all the time and they're like, why don't you say something about this and blah blah. I'm like, what the would you go on a public you know forum forever? Or someone has to do a screenshot my tweet again your employee, Like, think about that for one second out there, people like, of course I'm not going to say shit on Twitter about a fellow you know, journalist, or a fellow workmate or somebody who employs me. I mean, I like my job.

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Speaker 1: I like what I do, and also I think you can make an impact in the way that you're making it, by the way you choose to comport yourself as a commentator and pundit on TV. I have a little bit of a different remat. I come from newsrooms. I come from journalism, and there's a little bit more leeway that I get to have. I don't have any aspirations to be on TV and making best friends with other commentators. That's not the path that my career has ever wanted to take. And so for me, I think that what is one of the fun things about our show is that we come at it usually sort of coming to similar conclusions, but from pretty different places. And one thing that I will say, having gone to journalism school, having worked in newsrooms at the Washington Post, having worked at time, is that if you're an investigative journalists, which I am not, but I have PubL and worked on Pulitro Prize practice winning packages of investigative journalism, the one thing you don't do is an investigative journalism journalists make yourself the story is make yourself the story ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. You lose credibility and you don't get people on record who should be on record. I can tell you that Ben's reporting would be a lot better if people would talk to him. He doesn't have to be friends with them, but he does have to make them feel like he's not going to burn them. So the truth is, you know, which.

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Speaker 2: Is why I don't write a lot of shit on Twitter or you know, throw people on the bus on my podcast, because I like I like relationships.

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Speaker 1: I actually, you know, and also sometimes you can be more influential or have more effect if you're advocating behind the scenes or talking behind the scenes. In the case of you know, why is Ben sitting at home because during this US Open, it's not really his racket.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it's not even because of Alex vere If.

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Speaker 1: It's because of Ben, and I would love to see many, many more investigative journalists in the mix, it would.

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Speaker 2: You know.

00:20:55
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I defended him for so many years, despite him growing in sort of increasing problematic, especially on Twitter, is because we need this function of investigative journalism.

00:21:04
Speaker 2: You have been you have from the very get go, Caitlin. I know I can say this on the record, is that you have been a huge proponent of more journalists being real journalists in tennis, and not just like because it is hard to be a journalist in tennis, because you need to be able to just like every other sport, you need to curry favor, You need to have the players like you. They give you soundbites, they give you good interviews, you know, blah blah blah. And we see it often where some of these journalists going there and ask the just the dumbest, lamest questions. And that's one thing. But we do need journalists that do ask the hard questions. But then again, like you said, don't make it about themselves.

00:21:43
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, that became such a compromised.

00:21:47
Speaker 2: Because would you not agree that a journalist who is really a true journalist would go in there and if you are in the right, would be the first one to write about you in the right right.

00:21:58
Speaker 1: I sat next to two journalists when I worked at the Washington Post. One was Dana Priest. The other one was Crystaliza. Crystalis is famous. He's on TV. He's a pundit. He talks on TV all day about who's up, who's down, political blah blah blah. He's on Twitter all the time. I don't think anyone would accuse him of being a journalist. Dana Priest kept her mouth shut, kept her head down, won a whole bunch of Pilitzer prizes, and changed laws with her investigations, especially when I was there, into the Walter Reed Medical Center and in the way was treating veterans. That is what an investigative journalist does. And I think Tennis needs plenty and I'd like to, you know, just say, in no way, shape or form whatever, hang a staffer out to dry a free answer who decides to change his persona and become essentially indefensible. That's a bit of a different vibe.

00:22:44
Speaker 2: But yeah, all right, well I think you've answered that question as well as you could. No, but I appreciate it.

00:22:49
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Twitter's sort of just acsessible anyway, Like half the time I'm getting made fun.

00:22:54
Speaker 3: Of for whatever.

00:22:56
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think had I not gone through several years of having like death threats from sir or like you know, in entire countries decide I'm person and ungraded, I would have taken maybe a little bit more personalthing. But the truth is like nothing on Twitter matters nobody. You guys want to cancel your subscriptions.

00:23:09
Speaker 2: None of you read it in actual fact, if I didn't, you know, I mean, I've got a lot of like followers on Twitter for my standard, and I'm like Jesus like for me to get stuff across. It's nice to be able to get it out there. But then the hate that comes on Twitter is just insane, especially from certain fan fandoms. Standems you know if you say something a little bit that's tough about their favorite player, it's like, oh my god, and you don't need to say anything right now.

00:23:37
Speaker 3: But I don't know what you're talking about yet, But there.

00:23:39
Speaker 2: Are a lot and you know it's one line and it's not sometimes how you feel, you know, in a whole context about a player. But you have to also say things that, whether it be a critique or whatever. And you know, those are the questions we're going to get too.

00:23:53
Speaker 3: Should we get in? Should we get in?

00:24:03
Speaker 2: I just want to say on Zubo has pulled out, Eager pulled out of Korea, On has pulled out. Nobody went to Guadalajara, although a big shout out to Olivia Goodeki from Australia, Australia who got through qualifying and made the final with no coach. It's not even get into that. Well, that's been a little bit. She's had a lot of coaches over the last few years. But live. If I can say anything to you publicly, my god, if you can find someone to really help you, do it, because you're too good to be languishing.

00:24:32
Speaker 3: I feel, as we know a coach.

00:24:33
Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that I didn't even think of that, but listen, I'd be happy to help her at any time. There you go. I threw out a name.

00:24:39
Speaker 1: Wait just a moment on Korea because they did lose Pagoula Shiantek Emma at Kano is now in the mandra They love her.

00:24:45
Speaker 3: In Asia.

00:24:46
Speaker 1: We are doing something in Korea. We are doing a fun VIP party with our racket Career and our friends. No more bego score in the original beer company. Follow her Instagram. It's going to be very fun. I'm very jealous.

00:24:59
Speaker 3: I'm not flying to Soul right now, which is what I was supposed to do.

00:25:01
Speaker 2: And Soul is great too. Soul is great.

00:25:03
Speaker 1: I know it could be getting the best officials in the world. Anyway, Korea, despite not having some of the biggest names, will be a good time just because of how popping off that tennis is. But the larger point remains, the schedule is killing everybody.

00:25:14
Speaker 2: The schedule is killing area.

00:25:16
Speaker 3: It's killing everybody, you know.

00:25:17
Speaker 2: I do remember having to go to Europe after the US Open. Asia is like another It's just it's just an added h right, It's more hours. You know, everybody who goes back to Europe after the US Open. Europeans like to play in Europe. Now they've got to go back home and then back to Asia, and then Americans are got to go over to Asia. It's like it's a I mean, the only people benefiting people that live in Asia. Great, you know, Japanese players, Chinese players, players from that region of the world. They're like, great, this is great for us, But man, it's a bear. It's a bear to have to go to Asia and then you've got to go to Guadalajara. Like what after the US Open? Fuck? What are we doing? WTA Like, get it together, Matt.

00:25:57
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, I love Mexico tournaments. It's just see, like with all of the different tournament, why can't they be all in the same period of the calendar?

00:26:06
Speaker 2: Have them before.

00:26:06
Speaker 1: We've got a great tournament in Manorree, We've got a great ternam in a Caapolca. We've got a great tournament Guadalajara. Why not just put them all in one place so once you're in Mexico you're there for a while.

00:26:14
Speaker 2: No, really, Caitlyn, you think that's smart. Come on, I mean, no, God, make it easier on the players. So I have to travel sixteen hours to get to another time.

00:26:23
Speaker 3: People figure it out.

00:26:24
Speaker 2: No, it's like they should have a couple before Palm Springs in Wells, Okay, a couple before the US Open. That makes sense. Two back to back weeks in Mexico, and Mexican fans are the absolute best, right, they're the best anyway. Davis Cup was also over the last week. Australia made it through to the last night. So did the Americans.

00:26:46
Speaker 1: Australia beat the Czech Republic? Yeah, we beat the Czechs been the Australian.

00:26:50
Speaker 2: But the question I asked you about it is, how do you feel about this format? Like playing like four teams in one country four teams in another country. You've got you know, there's a whole home tie sort of, but not really because when you've got France playing Australia in Spain, that's not a home tie for anybody. I know the players aren't super happy about it. How do you solve this? I have one thing I would like to see because I watched the Solheim Cup this week, you know, the women's golf. It's like the I have to I hate that I have to describe this because people should know, but it's like the female version of the Ryder Cup.

00:27:22
Speaker 3: When I say that, I don't know the cup is for you, definitely. I don't know how it's but it's a team. It's a team, and it's.

00:27:30
Speaker 2: Such a great vibe. It's fun. It makes it's golf that's fun, which is I guess what the Live to I tried to do as well with music and the stands were going bonkers, like literally, the Americans the Europeans would go to hit off and it was like crickets. Do you know how nerve wracking it is to be in front of like ten thousand people in a massive stadium around you and you're about to hit off your first shot at a golf on a golf course. It's like, what the fuck? It's so quiet, which they're used to granted golfers. But then the Americans came up to hit and it was going The music was pumper and people were screaming USA, USA, and these players hit off the first hole with music and the fans going bonkers, and I'm like, yes, golf, this is what it should be, which is, as I said, what the Live tried to do. Make it less, you know, snobby and quiet and all that shitt of shit because I go to golf all the time. I have so many friends that played golf, and I know you, I mean literally, I try not to walk when I put My friend who was playing is like about to hit. I'm like, what if I make a noise? You know what I mean. So it's like, it was fun, But tennis needs something like this, and is it a team competition. It's a team competition, so maybe.

00:28:34
Speaker 1: That's why it's Smart Churs Europe and so it's your cumulative scorers.

00:28:38
Speaker 2: Scores for days. It literally came down to the last, like three players on the last day, even though the Americans had a really big lead going into Sunday, it came down to the end. It was so exciting and it was so great. Tennis needs something very similar and they need to do it every two years. So enough with Davis Cup and Billy Jean King Cup. As much as I love them, they were my favorite weeks of the year. But if we're going to continue to have Labor Cup and Hopman Cup and Blah Blah Blah Cup and this exhibition and that exhibition, Davis Cup and Billygean king Cup are suffering and they're they should be the root of the youth of tennis watching in their home countries. And I miss the home and away ties. Understand if you're going to do it in one place, but do it every once every two years and make it a true destination where people go and travel, like the Soiling Cup, like Ryder Cup, where they make a trip out of it, you know, instead of like I can't even keep up with the Billy Jean King Cup and Davis Cup anymore.

00:29:32
Speaker 3: I'm like, aren't you going to the village where I am going?

00:29:34
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to take the show to the Billy Jean King Cup and actually give it some you know, gravitas and like some publicity and all that sort of stuff. But you know, the Tennis Channel I think is maybe covering it. But it's like it should be a bigger event every I think it should be every two years. It should be opposite the Olympics. It should never be the year of the Olympics ever. Okay, your thoughts.

00:29:56
Speaker 1: There's so many things to react to there. I were kill Labor Cup immediately.

00:30:03
Speaker 3: I just in the interest.

00:30:05
Speaker 1: You have to prune, right if you're gonna plant some seeds that you want to have.

00:30:09
Speaker 2: I only need to get together and do something about it. Because Labor Cup gets amazing crowds. It'll be interesting to see what happens with no Rafa, no Roger nob.

00:30:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, does it get amazing crowds or does Roger just get amazing crowds Rafa. I don't mind exhibitions. I don't mind that things are not for a score. We got one of Madison Square Garden with men and women amazing Amm Navarro, La, Ben Shelton and Carlitos are coming the beginning of December to Madison Square, which is awesome. Which is where the year end championships used to be played, which is so cool.

00:30:47
Speaker 3: You've played a.

00:30:47
Speaker 1: Year in championships at Madison Square Gard time playing the WTA finals, which is so cool.

00:30:52
Speaker 2: It's just these things become Chamberlain watching me believe that.

00:30:55
Speaker 3: No, that's insane. Okay, he loved tennis, but he was easiest, but and a crowd.

00:31:01
Speaker 2: It was easy to spot. I sat with him a couple of times, and he loved tennis. He just loved it.

00:31:06
Speaker 3: Anyway, that was a whole I just think, you know, I don't mind this. I was on a podcast Friday and they're like, what do you think about uts? And the thing in the format? Fact, that's another thing, and I don't mind it.

00:31:14
Speaker 1: I don't care about the formats. What I care about is are these things good for the players? Does it make for good tennis? And most importantly does it promote the sport? Because it's easy to follow, easy to find and make sense in the meta.

00:31:27
Speaker 3: Narrative, and easy to get behind. And so that's always the issue, which is just like, I.

00:31:33
Speaker 2: Know they want to do this super two and there's this all big talk about it, la la lah. But what would be actually interesting is after the US Open is over, they have a couple of really big team events and just literally make the US Open the last tournament where outside of the WTA and ATP finals where they have you know, points or whatever it is. And after the US Open, that's the end of year. Number one, we played Davis Cup, we play fed Cup, and we play the WTA Finals and I T finals. That to me makes sense.

00:32:01
Speaker 3: I agree.

00:32:02
Speaker 2: What do you think of that, listeners, I'd like to hear what you think about it. Yeah, I think I just came up with that out of my ass right now.

00:32:07
Speaker 1: I think it's smart and I think it makes sense, which is which phase of the year are we in? Okay, we're in the team part phase.

00:32:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess what if Asia wants to put it on because they put a lot of money into tennis, because China has a lot of money, probably most of it is ours, and they have put on the team's event there.

00:32:25
Speaker 1: And also China has a fantastic woman and a fantastic man, both of which medaled at the Olympics. So it's not like it's a bunch of you know, AstroTurf. There could be some real grassroots stuff. No. I think my issue is just more the things that feel one off and cannibalize the other stuff. Is the is what starts to feel unnecessary, tiring for the players, obligatory and just and give them a lot of money, put these events on and give them a lot of money, but it also just makes for the tennis worse. Like, how many players did you see play the uts Cup who did not play the US Open? Like everyone gave Nick whatever reviews they gave Neck for commentating during the US Open. Nick played in the uts he didn't play in the US Open.

00:33:07
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't know that. I wasn't paying attention.

00:33:10
Speaker 1: He played two days of exhibition tennis, and then he bounced and okay, put on his sweat urt and back retat.

00:33:17
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to some questions before we get onto that train again. All right, Cola City, Hey, why are we making the ball kids grab the sweaty towels again? Thanks? Gas, I don't know, yeh TP. I think the only ones doing it the w T nine. I'm so over it because you know, back in my day, the heat was just the same. The sweat was coming off me just the same. It's like we didn't have ball kids running the towel to us every point. Go and watch some tennis. I mean, the greatest. One of the best finals was Steffi Graft playing a Rancher Sanchez for Curry and I think it was five all on the third of the final, okay, and it was hot that day, and I remember them they played like an eighteen minute game.

00:33:54
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember that. Just go and yeah, it's famous, but unbelievable.

00:34:00
Speaker 2: I think after like that sixteenth minute, Stephie finally ran to her chair, ran to her chair, grabbed a towel, teeled herself down and then ran back. I was like, one time she went to the towel one time in eighteen points in a final of the US Open. If that was now, she'd be taking the towel every she wouldn't be because she's not that player. But these players now, like tw I got ased, tell I got ased, tell Ooh a double fault towel. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Wear a sweatband, wipe your face just like all of us.

00:34:29
Speaker 1: Do you know what?

00:34:29
Speaker 2: Use your shirt? Like like like Taylor Fritz does every time he lifts his shirt up and wipes his face. It's like, you don't need a towel. It's a reset. And I understand it's all mental now, but it's like, oh my god, if you can't get over there and get your own towel in twenty seconds, too bad. That's how I feel about it.

00:34:44
Speaker 1: So they go, we have a racket superfan Mark Shapiro, who's a hospitalist, who says that it is appalling to him that the CDC and other health protocols are not being fun and these are Germ vecetors.

00:34:59
Speaker 2: So from the person, look at what's his name, pukin in the towel, Hey boy, boy, give it that towel enough. I'd be like giving him the middle finger. You'll get your own, damn puky towel.

00:35:08
Speaker 3: Tweter from Colver City. We are agreed with you.

00:35:11
Speaker 2: Here we go. Okay. If a three point three or three point five player wants to improve to the point of winning tournaments, what should they focus on? Oh?

00:35:19
Speaker 3: Well, now's your big opportunity, coach.

00:35:22
Speaker 2: I'm not good with the three point three five players.

00:35:25
Speaker 3: I'm married to one.

00:35:26
Speaker 2: Oh really, uh huh, So what would you tell her to do better?

00:35:30
Speaker 1: You know what? I love that she does naturally whether she deserves to come in or not, because she's not constructed the points she does.

00:35:37
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I like about it.

00:35:39
Speaker 2: The answer to this is find what you're good at and get better at that, yes, and don't harp on the negatives of what you don't do well. Okay, So that is the key.

00:35:48
Speaker 3: Clear rights under the net.

00:35:49
Speaker 2: I was not a great returner of the ball, but I was like, if I get this return in, everything else is really good. Yep. So that's what you need to focus on. You need to focus on the positives and practice those over and the things you don't do well, practice those at nauseum as well, and you might get that little bit better to turn.

00:36:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, but everybody's give to a four point.

00:36:07
Speaker 2: Everybody has to run us or US flex I like that name, all right, Philwin who always writes to us, what would happen if players boycott at towour events if they do not like the two week Masters, they'd get a big fit zero on their rankings, and it counts. So they players have a certain amount of ranking, a certain amount of tournaments where they count their rankings for their end of year ranking, and so you do not want to zero on your ranking because that counts.

00:36:32
Speaker 3: But explain that it counts for your bonuses, for your everything.

00:36:35
Speaker 2: I mean where you're ranked at the end of the years, your bonuses. Like if you're a number one in the world, you might have something written into your contract clause that says you get six million dollars or three million dollars for being number one in the world from Nike or On or Wilson or whatever. So it's super important rankings.

00:36:51
Speaker 1: Not only fan seeding, but also don't they get fined if they scime.

00:36:56
Speaker 2: Masters, they get fined and they get a zero points.

00:36:58
Speaker 3: So the main answer is check book your chap book.

00:37:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, players don't care if they're really well off, don't care much.

00:37:05
Speaker 1: About Yeah Novak job doesn't care about missing out the Master's one thousands.

00:37:08
Speaker 2: Then one know that there's a lot of other players. Thoughts on Rafah nixing Labor Cup last minute from glam Spin Tennis, Well, I'm not surprised he's not one hundred percent. Why would you waste your body on something that's not worth anything to you other than money, and God knows he doesn't need the money. So I think he pulled out because he's trying to get prepared for Australia. That's my thoughts.

00:37:28
Speaker 3: Also, without Raja, I don't know that he has much of a reason to be there.

00:37:32
Speaker 2: No, I think he truly wants to play one more year. I can't believe I'm saying that, but I think he really does, and I think if he puts in the work, he feels like I could give it a good go next year and then be done. Okay to run, Asaurus reflects again, let's pretend that you coach Serena after the twenty eighteen US Open.

00:37:50
Speaker 3: This one's directed to me with her to.

00:37:52
Speaker 2: Win some more Slams. That's hard for me to say because I wasn't in her day to day life after twenty eighteen, but I think I would loved to have coached her after that period of time. I would have just done what I did when I was working with her, is just you know, built her confidence to the point where she believed so much in her own game and herself that she probably would have maybe got through some of those finals. I also would have probably given her better game plans.

00:38:19
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's.

00:38:21
Speaker 2: Reservoir Duck wants to know how rich do you have to be to make it into the top ten as an American player. I think that's a dig on my tweet from the other day about when I said, you do not get into the top ten because you're a daughter of a billionaire. Okay, it doesn't fucking happen. Okay, you have to actually put in the work to be in the top ten in the world, and you won't see Amminavara and Jess Pagoula like off, you know, having a drink at a local pub the night before their match. They are approaching it just like any person who grew up like me with a garbage man and a Milkman as dad, like, you have to put in the work. It comes down to you. I was around a lot of wealthy kids who had talent who never made it because they were lazy.

00:39:04
Speaker 3: Yah, And I would actually say super.

00:39:06
Speaker 2: Talented people that were poor and they didn't make it because they were lazy. That's what it comes down to.

00:39:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jess Pigola drives to tournaments when she's in the States. I mean, I'm not saying that, you know, she's billionaires should exist and we shouldn't.

00:39:20
Speaker 2: Andanavara went to college Okay.

00:39:22
Speaker 1: But yeah, these are those two are particularly bad examples because they also didn't tell if it's like ton of cut off money. Yeah, but didn't he and his dad have some sort of schism where like he didn't get the money or I don't know, good Scoop, I think. I mean, listen, don't don't quote that, but I feel like at some point he kind of made his own has made his own path.

00:39:40
Speaker 2: Okay. Tennis man, should there be a defined off season in tennis for any reasons? Hell? Yes, and all the reasons stop. Like I said, I think it needs to finish after the US Open, have a couple of really big team events, after that where everyone's happy, they're getting paid a shitload of money, but the points aren't an important thing for them because that's why they have to go and play. So that's what I think we should do. So, yes, there needs to be more of an off season. We don't have an off season in tennis. I'm going to tell you right now. When I played twenty two years, if I took two weeks off of tennis, that was too much. It was like, I take a week off of tennis, a week off of getting in the gym, and then when I came back it was torture. When you take one week off of being in the gym or on the tennis court, comeback is really hard. So that's why players have to keep going and that's why we have burnouts. Is it possible for the WTA to change rules for the next year about mandatory events after players complaints, Well, listen, I think that's a bigger story. And as I said, we need to have mandatory events because we need to guarantee these tournaments that are putting a lot of money that they have the best players there and that's why they're mandatory events. But we have to be more strategic where they are and how many we have and how close to each other. They are like this whole Cincinnati Toronto back to back mandatory weeks are stupid.

00:40:54
Speaker 1: They are like, well, this came up because Ego, I think, was flying to and from Europe in between two American tournaments and that felt like, yeah, she's right, that's insane. That schedule makes no sense. And she's either penalized by the national team or she's penalized by the WTA, But either way it's a lose lose And it's like the way, the route in which these players have to take to get from one way together makes absolutely no sense. I mean, you know me, I would tear up the entire calendar.

00:41:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think, yeah they need to. Okay, passive passive, passive Pasivo. Is Pagola at her peak performance. No, I think she can win a Slam. I think after what she did at the US Open, she can look at herself in the bear and go ooh yeah, because when you get to a final, you go, oh, if I can get to another final, I know I can win that tournament.

00:41:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:41:39
Speaker 3: I think against many, many, many other players in the draw. That was Jessica Polo's match. She played a good match, and I.

00:41:45
Speaker 2: Think the only thing that really stopped her from winning that was maybe this the thought of can I win it?

00:41:50
Speaker 3: I mean subconscious arena saga?

00:41:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lorena, something like a ceiling is higher than most people, but against almost anybody. Listen, Jess Pogola wins that slam last year.

00:42:00
Speaker 3: It's Coca.

00:42:01
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, oh with yes, because she has a great record against Coco. Though, Let's not forget it, but let's do a deeper dive into Coco serve? Did Rutick rework it? Also? Can she change her forehand grip? Can anyone at that level change their grip? Thanks? And best? Do you wait? Yes? You can absolutely change your grip. You can ask Caitlin.

00:42:18
Speaker 3: Yes, at the level that I'm playing at, you can change your grip you have.

00:42:22
Speaker 2: You can change your grip slightly. It does take time. You can absolutely change your serve, There's no question about it. I think she needs to change the grip a little on the serve. I think that's half the problem.

00:42:32
Speaker 3: Do you think it is? You pronated? I wrote it down.

00:42:34
Speaker 2: I wrote this down the other day because I didn't want to forget. If you have a certain grip you're It's amazing how you as a tennis player knows what your where your racket face is as you're about to hit a ball, right, So when you know your grip is and it's it can be completely subconcios. It's most of the time very subconscious. When you go to hit that, you go, oh, my grip's going to do this, So I need to do that with my body to get the result I want. Right, So with me, I didn't have a super I didn't have a Western grip. I had like a I don't even know, like content not continental, but.

00:43:08
Speaker 3: I had like a very late semi Yeah, you.

00:43:11
Speaker 2: Probably no better than me. I'm terrible with the grips, but I was like like the names. But of course I knew I didn't have a grip that allowed me to get a lot of spin on my forehand. I tended to use my body too much because I had quite a straight arm on my forehand. Like I've been given shit with my forehand technique through the years. But it's like like Lisa Raymond, my old doubles partner, she had such strong like forearms she could like use her top spin on her forehand, so easily, and she could flick it and flick a lob and flick across court forehand and then she could whack it down the line. Me I was a little bit like, oh, I had to take this big swing, and because I knew that I didn't have spin on my forehand, I tried to use my body. So it's like it's all this the chicken before the egg thing, right, So I think she knows course of her grip, she has to sort of fall away. It's like it all goes together.

00:43:58
Speaker 1: Right.

00:43:58
Speaker 2: When you have a technique that's wrong, your body adjusts to try and get the result you want. And that's part of the problem with her serve. So she falls down with her left eye, her body opens up to her her elbow is too low, which I think could help her. So if she got her elbowup a little bit high and changed the grip a little bit, she'd be like, Oh, I don't need to fall down like this because I can pronate better on my serf. But there's a lot of things. So to answer your question, yes, you can change it, and it will be better if she does.

00:44:23
Speaker 3: And I think she's still young.

00:44:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, such that, like we saw with a Rena Soblenka, who kind of played through a different technique change.

00:44:30
Speaker 3: I mean Thomas.

00:44:31
Speaker 1: Musergat hit by a car and was hidden fourhands from a wheelchair on the Santa Scuot, Like, you can do it, anything is possible.

00:44:39
Speaker 2: It's just will change her serf and won the Austrai Open because of it. Really, yes, absolutely, and it wasn't a dramatic change, but it was a change and I saw it immediately. She got a ball toss further behind her head, she started hitting kickserves because she also the year before she won the Austrain Open, I was caught side doing a match in new Haven, Connecticut and Haven, Connecticut and she double folded like twenty times in that match and I was like, oh my god. And then at the Autrain Open she changed her swing a little bit, she changed her ball toss, and god knows guess what she did. She won the Australian Open that year and she had a very good second serve that was not going to break down previously not the case. So you can. And she was thirty at the time, so don't tell me you can't change it, all right, John Doe is my beloved Meddi going downhill. I feel like he might retire from the sports soon. Great US Open coverage, Thank you, John. No, I don't think he's going downhill. I think that he just happens to have come across two unbelievable players of the next generation in our craz and Sinner, because if he doesn't lose to Sinner likelihood he gets to the final of the US Open.

00:45:42
Speaker 3: And he was in the final of the Australian Open.

00:45:44
Speaker 2: That's right, so I mean, and he was up two sets to love, So let's calm the farm. Don't worry. Meddi's going to be fine.

00:45:49
Speaker 1: Also, like a lot of his players who's been around for a minute, like their period of adjustment when somebody knew with a new game, their highs and lows, you know, like we just come to expect, like, oh, well, Maddie wants now, so he's going to be in every final.

00:46:01
Speaker 3: It's like, no, they have.

00:46:02
Speaker 2: Tullis And if he'd had a better schedule in Australia, maybe he would have won this straight and open. The dude was up two sets of love and he ran out of gas. The guy played sixty five million hours of tennis in Australia and most of it passed two am. Yeah, okay, so that did not happen. No, mate, he's not gone anywhere. Okay, maybe someday. Do players get paid for Davis Cup and Billy Jean King Cup games? Yes, they do. They get paid by the ITF, and this year's money for the Billy Jean King Cup is quite significant because they've got great sponsors now. So yes, the players do get paid by the ITF and by their federations. Some pay the some pay from the federations, like Tennis Australia does because we have quite a lot of money, as does the USTA. I'm sure there's other smaller countries that don't have the money, like a you know, Kazakhstan. Kazakstan actually they probably had a lot of Bulgaria. Yeah, Indonesia. They're not going to be paying their players probably, so okay. And last question from some maybe someday again, if Monicas sell Us hadn't been stabbed, how many more Grand Slams which simply have won? Not forty kline forty. I was there that day. It was a sad.

00:47:04
Speaker 1: We have a very long piece about this in the current issue of Racket, written by Joannett Howard, the only woman, the only reporter to have interviewed Monica before, during, and after in The Times. I encourage you to read it. It won't answer the question about how many slams, but everyone's accurate assessment is plenty.

00:47:23
Speaker 2: What I can tell you being so close to Stephie and being around and being in the same age group as Monica, she would have won a lot and it took away one of the greatest rivalries in tennis with Steffie and Monica. Steffie was, you know, sort of like the eager Sabalanca situation. You know, Steffie was so good on all surfaces. As his ego, She's won of years Open. You know, Sabalanca is a little bit up and down on clay and things like that, but you know Sabalanc Steffie was so good on grass, I'm on fast coughed, and Monica was just so dominant on clay. And they had one of the greatest French Open finals in nineteen ninety two.

00:47:59
Speaker 1: I was there.

00:47:59
Speaker 2: It was two of the greatest competitors I've ever seen. I would have liked to have seen Monica keep going, and I think arguably she would have won well over fifteen grand slams in her career. But also, you know, one of the things you also have to remember is that you don't know what someone's also going to go through in their life. Now, she could have done all that, she could have also got injured a year later. She could have had a met Look at Naomi Osaka. I mean, look like Naomi was going to win fifteen grand slams herself and then you know she has a little bit of a mental you know, breakdown and can't handle the stress and the power, the press and the you know, the pressure. So you don't know. So it's kind of like a dumb question in a way because we don't know what the future would have held. But I tell you what it would have been. The one thing I can guarantee you is it took away literally one of the greatest rivalries in tennis. So for that, it was a really bad day, all right, Caitline, I think we have covered a lot today.

00:48:51
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait until next week. What questions on the daying Twitter transom may come across.

00:48:58
Speaker 2: And I wish we could take it to three because they're just nicer.

00:49:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, but threat nobody's on threads, all right.

00:49:03
Speaker 2: I gotta go listen. I just want you to know I fell down my stairs the other day. I did. I had my little you know, your little pets that you wear with your nikes and shit, and I have these wood stairs that go down. I've now just guaranteed, I've just bought some stuff to put on the stairs because I'm like that old brown now. But I'm not kidding you. I stare a bit. It so bad, and I had like satin pants on, and when I hit the wood, it propelled me down the stairs so fast that my neighbors, who never hear anything in my apartment go At twelve thirty, my neighbor and Maddy says to her husband, Jeremy, did you hear that Renee just fall down the stairs? Literally they knew, and Jeremy's like, nah, she's fine, thanks Jeremy. But anyway, yeah, I really, I really really did a number on that.

00:49:45
Speaker 1: Right. Well, assuming Renee is in one piece, we'll see you away you next week, hopefully that fall down the stairs.

00:49:49
Speaker 3: Thanks next week. They b