I Got Paid $200 to F* in Public - Arabelle Raphael Wildest Scene Ever**

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered Today. I'm
<v Speaker 2>joined by the inevitable Arabel Raphael, A true original in
<v Speaker 2>the adult industry with over fifteen years of experience, Arabel
<v Speaker 2>has done it all, mainstream indie art, activism, and even TNTRA.
<v Speaker 2>She's a performer, painter, writer, and sex educator whose work
<v Speaker 2>blurs the lines between erotica and expression. From co founding
<v Speaker 2>grassroots sex worker support groups to leading workshops on pleasure
<v Speaker 2>and empowerment, Arabella brings a deeply thoughtful, often radical perspective
<v Speaker 2>to sex, healing and creativity. This one's smart, sexy, and
<v Speaker 2>full of surprises. So let's dive in. Hi, Hi, how
<v Speaker 2>are you good? You're welcome. I'm just really glad that
<v Speaker 2>I was able to pronounce inimitable while in the intro,
<v Speaker 2>because I, yeah, we were struggling with that word before
<v Speaker 2>we started recording. I'm like, why did I pick such
<v Speaker 2>a hard word. So, before we actually dive into her
<v Speaker 2>origin story and all the questions I have lined up
<v Speaker 2>for her, We're going to do something a little bit different.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to do this or that with her so
<v Speaker 2>we can get to know Arabella and kind of a
<v Speaker 2>different level. I've never done this before. We're going to
<v Speaker 2>see if this is fun, if you guys like this,
<v Speaker 2>if this works, if it's seamless. So we've got twenty
<v Speaker 2>six of these, all right, so you ready, let's do it? Okay?
<v Speaker 2>Work or play way? Love? Friendship?
<v Speaker 3>Love, because that includes friendship.
<v Speaker 2>I like money or happiness happiness because happiness is money.
<v Speaker 4>No, it's real though, cats are dogs both bisexual.
<v Speaker 2>Already we were trying to be sweet. I'm sorry. I
<v Speaker 2>like both morning or evening morning salty or sweet salty.
<v Speaker 2>Do you watch shows one episode or a time or
<v Speaker 2>do you binge the whole season? I like to binge.
<v Speaker 2>Do you shower at night or in the morning both?
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're clean, yeah, or you're very dirty, which is
<v Speaker 2>why you need to shower twice a day. Would you
<v Speaker 2>rather fly or have super strength?
<v Speaker 3>Ooh?
<v Speaker 2>Fly? Okay? Would you rather find your dream job or
<v Speaker 2>win the lottery? M a dream job? The lottery doesn't
<v Speaker 2>last for a lifetime. Usually, you know you're seeing like
<v Speaker 2>those documentaries like Everybody Who Wins the lottery ends up
<v Speaker 2>being like the most miserable person really.
<v Speaker 3>And then they take attack.
<v Speaker 4>I just like, I'm just like, it's not gonna set
<v Speaker 4>you up for I mean, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much they give. I wish did
<v Speaker 2>they give? It depends on what you win. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>uh physical strength or mental strength? Mental strength? Yeah, you
<v Speaker 2>probably have a lot of mental strength just to work
<v Speaker 2>in this industry. You already have that already. Are you
<v Speaker 2>more of an introvert or an extrovert? Mmmm?
<v Speaker 3>Ah, depends on the crowd, makes sense, Yeah, night out
<v Speaker 3>or night in?
<v Speaker 2>Night? In expensive presence or homemade presence? Homemade? Do you
<v Speaker 2>kill bugs you find inside or take them outside?
<v Speaker 3>Just spiders kill?
<v Speaker 2>Spiders? Spiders killer?
<v Speaker 3>Sorry?
<v Speaker 2>Do you prefer driving or flying? Driving? Would you rather
<v Speaker 2>travel to the past or to the future? Oh?
<v Speaker 3>Past, because I know what I'm dealing with.
<v Speaker 2>Where would you travel to the past? You have like
<v Speaker 2>an era that you would like to go to? Just
<v Speaker 2>a shop.
<v Speaker 4>I would go to the Secondies so I can get
<v Speaker 4>all I want. I like, that's my era.
<v Speaker 2>I could also just go to a thrist. I could,
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 4>People ask that all the time. I'm like, I don't know,
<v Speaker 4>I don't no idea.
<v Speaker 2>Seventies, I go back to like literally like the Roman era,
<v Speaker 2>like I go so far.
<v Speaker 3>By genk there No, absolutely not.
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean it depends on how like if
<v Speaker 2>you were rich or poor.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, except but even then they were gnarly.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>No, well, I mean like the bath toys to day,
<v Speaker 2>the Romans were big on the Roman baths.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yes, but you so that wouldn't have worked out either,
<v Speaker 6>I mean the MIDI okay, so the medieval like if
<v Speaker 6>you're talking about like England, like in the medieval times, yes,
<v Speaker 6>they did not bathe that much, especially because.
<v Speaker 2>It was cold. Yeah, but the Romans they bathed a lot.
<v Speaker 3>If you were wealthy, wealthy, wealthy woman. I guess I
<v Speaker 3>was a man.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Unfortunately you kind of want to be a man,
<v Speaker 2>Like if you lived in the past, you were much
<v Speaker 2>better off being a man exactly.
<v Speaker 3>That's why I like going super back is not bad.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just I'm like I wouldn't live there. I'm
<v Speaker 2>just like hang out like maybe like you're not even there.
<v Speaker 2>You're just like walking around like seeing everything, like no
<v Speaker 2>one can see you. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>don't think like I would want to participate. I would
<v Speaker 2>just want to see how everything is, like like just
<v Speaker 2>like a ghost. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because also like the butterfly effect, like every little thing
<v Speaker 2>you do could like affect the future. And then maybe
<v Speaker 2>you're never born.
<v Speaker 4>So what if even just like your breath, because you
<v Speaker 4>have like, let's say, germs that they didn't have.
<v Speaker 2>Now we're getting into like a weird time this. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this is going off on a tangent. I did not Sorry,
<v Speaker 2>all right. Do you prefer social time or alone time?
<v Speaker 3>I'm social? I like social.
<v Speaker 2>Are you more of a thinker or a doer? Thinker
<v Speaker 2>street smarts or book smarts. I'd say a little bit
<v Speaker 2>of both. Learn by watching or learn by doing? Doing
<v Speaker 2>fresh food or fried food? Fresh? Are you more cautious
<v Speaker 2>or bold? Bold? Cannonball into the pool or dip a
<v Speaker 2>toe in first cannonball? Okay, yeah, I guess that kind
<v Speaker 2>of goes with the bold. Would you rather sleep in
<v Speaker 2>late or take a long nap midday?
<v Speaker 3>I wish I could sleep in and I can't.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know.
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, can't I just wake up at like seventy,
<v Speaker 4>Like no matter what no matter what.
<v Speaker 3>So I guess I would like to sleep in. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>sounds nice.
<v Speaker 2>All right, now we're going to get into the good stuff. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so let's talk about how you got into the industry.
<v Speaker 2>You've been in the adult industry for over fifteen years.
<v Speaker 2>How did your journey begin?
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I guess at first it was like a model
<v Speaker 4>on Model Mayhem.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Model may Yeah, I remember that sich
<v Speaker 2>still exist, I think so I was talking to somebody
<v Speaker 2>about this the other like in one of my previous
<v Speaker 2>episodes I can't remember which. I got in a fight
<v Speaker 2>with Model Mayhem once appropriate, I think towards the end
<v Speaker 2>because I think I booked somebody for Playboy and they
<v Speaker 2>accused me of booking them for porn but I wasn't.
<v Speaker 2>I booked them for Playboy. But because I think I
<v Speaker 2>also shot adult, they like thought I was booking I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, and I got in this big fight with
<v Speaker 2>them and they tried to ban my account. I can't
<v Speaker 2>remember what came of it that checks out, But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I got I got a lot of great like models
<v Speaker 2>off of Model Mayhem. Like it was really great in
<v Speaker 2>its day. It was.
<v Speaker 4>It was a great place to like get started, especially
<v Speaker 4>if you didn't know what you were doing.
<v Speaker 3>And in a way it was also a bad place to.
<v Speaker 2>Get started, especially if you didn't know what you were doing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of grey. Yes, if you guys don't know
<v Speaker 2>what that is, it's called a guy with camera so creamy. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So I think it started there kind of and I
<v Speaker 4>was just interested in like nude modeling, and as I
<v Speaker 4>started doing that, it was more and more curious.
<v Speaker 2>More and more curious to do more and more risky stuff.
<v Speaker 4>And then I think I got booked for was it
<v Speaker 4>for kink dot com?
<v Speaker 3>And at the time, I was like it was for
<v Speaker 3>Public Disgrace And I was.
<v Speaker 2>Like, damn girl, you jump and that is a call
<v Speaker 2>into the pool.
<v Speaker 4>So at the time I was like, hey, I don't
<v Speaker 4>do boy girl, so like blah blah blah, because like yeah,
<v Speaker 4>and they were like okay, okay, and then I never
<v Speaker 4>heard from them, and then they hit me up again
<v Speaker 4>and they're like, oh, well you can just be an extra.
<v Speaker 2>So then so then we do the scene and you'll
<v Speaker 2>explain to those who don't know what Public disgraces because it.
<v Speaker 4>Was a thing that now like you could never do
<v Speaker 4>and that's why it doesn't exist anymore. But basically, back
<v Speaker 4>in the day, you kink would go into a public
<v Speaker 4>place and they usually before start shooting, just like let
<v Speaker 4>people know that there would be like a porner being shot,
<v Speaker 4>so people could choose to like be there or not,
<v Speaker 4>and they would do a whole scene heavily based on
<v Speaker 4>like public humiliation and that kind of thing.
<v Speaker 2>In public.
<v Speaker 4>Where would they go They went to, like from the
<v Speaker 4>experience I had, was in a bar, okay and yeah,
<v Speaker 4>and they would just come in.
<v Speaker 2>They're like, soh you know, if you're down, yeah, if not.
<v Speaker 4>You should leave, and they make everybody sign model releases
<v Speaker 4>or like, and people could decide if they were would
<v Speaker 4>wear a mask or not, and then they would hire
<v Speaker 4>two people to like actually engage with the model like
<v Speaker 4>full like with like food exchange, but everybody else in
<v Speaker 4>the crowd, random people could touch you, right, And I
<v Speaker 4>was hired to be the extra person that could do
<v Speaker 4>the thing.
<v Speaker 2>But at the time the director had.
<v Speaker 4>Some beef with the star of it, and so the
<v Speaker 4>whole game was like, how do you publicly disgrace like
<v Speaker 4>an attention or I'm not calling her that That is
<v Speaker 4>what they pitched it as.
<v Speaker 2>Give her no attention.
<v Speaker 4>So her entire public disgrace was having to watch me
<v Speaker 4>get fucked in public, which I had not really planned
<v Speaker 4>on and all this, and they were like boy girl,
<v Speaker 4>and I like, at the time, I was so young
<v Speaker 4>and I just wanted to do good and whatever, and
<v Speaker 4>I was like sure, I like threw all of my
<v Speaker 4>leg it rolls out the window. Yeah, and I was
<v Speaker 4>like okay. So, like her public disgrace was me getting
<v Speaker 4>fucked in public for most of the time.
<v Speaker 2>That wow, it's so messy. Okay, so so mess So
<v Speaker 2>her public disgrace was her watching you. Yeah kind of
<v Speaker 2>she got fun because the director didn't like her.
<v Speaker 4>They were she was fucking with her. Yeah, yeah, like
<v Speaker 4>it was. It was a it was a different era.
<v Speaker 4>It was a different era. Porn is so different than
<v Speaker 4>it used to be. I mean, you you know this,
<v Speaker 4>and so you know, did you get paid nothing? You
<v Speaker 4>get paid like two hundred dollars to get fucked by James.
<v Speaker 2>Dean in public? Oh no? Yeah no, So like it's
<v Speaker 2>like insane.
<v Speaker 4>And then I came home, I got kicked out of
<v Speaker 4>my house because like my boyfriend at the time was
<v Speaker 4>like it's like old man Biker was like, no, it's imporn.
<v Speaker 4>Saved my life though I almost married an old man
<v Speaker 4>biker and instaid I did that sketchy shit and it
<v Speaker 4>really ended up better for me than the other way.
<v Speaker 2>That's spending how life works. Yeah, yeah, you were like,
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty funny, and so then that was that. It
<v Speaker 2>was weird.
<v Speaker 4>So like the first thing I ever did, I'm not
<v Speaker 4>even credited, Like, I'm pretty sure it's so embarrassing.
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm pretty sure.
<v Speaker 4>It says blah blah blah blah, gets you know, cocked
<v Speaker 4>by big titted nobody.
<v Speaker 2>Like it's so bad. It's so bad.
<v Speaker 4>And that was my first experience important and I don't
<v Speaker 4>know what kind of mental illness I had at the
<v Speaker 4>time that I continued going to do port after that
<v Speaker 4>because it was like a pretty shitty.
<v Speaker 2>First experience, but I was like sure.
<v Speaker 4>And at the time, James Dean was with Joanna and
<v Speaker 4>so then through him, I met Joanna and tattooed girls.
<v Speaker 4>So I met Joanna Angel and then I started to
<v Speaker 4>get connected and then started to do more and more.
<v Speaker 4>And at the time he was working with kids like
<v Speaker 4>full time, and I realized I was like, this is
<v Speaker 4>gonna like this will like nanny nanny. I was a
<v Speaker 4>bilingual nanny, so I would like, raise your kids and
<v Speaker 4>teach them French, right, And I was like, this is
<v Speaker 4>gonna like bite me in the ass some day.
<v Speaker 2>It's a problem. Yeah, this is gonna be a problem.
<v Speaker 4>So I quit, and all of a sudden, I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 4>like you know, and girls like me weren't getting a
<v Speaker 4>ton of work. I didn't even live in La So
<v Speaker 4>I started dancing at the Lusty Lady, which is a
<v Speaker 4>pretty iconic. Yes, do you know about the Lustie I've
<v Speaker 4>heard about it.
<v Speaker 2>So it was a unionized.
<v Speaker 4>Co op, a peep show or you put it a
<v Speaker 4>little baller in then the like window would go up
<v Speaker 4>and you'd see a dancing naked girl. Like that doesn't
<v Speaker 4>exist really anymore. I think there's probably maybe one somewhere. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>but yeah, that's kind of a thing of the past. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>And then I like fell into all kinds of different
<v Speaker 4>like weird, sketchy sex and your stuff to make ends me.
<v Speaker 4>And that was kind of how I started. Wow, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>really a wild entry.
<v Speaker 2>And so what was your mindset while you were in
<v Speaker 2>this early part of your career. Were you just like
<v Speaker 2>I need the money, fuck it, and you just kind
<v Speaker 2>of like did you like turn yourself off a little bit,
<v Speaker 2>or like how did you like mentally handle it or
<v Speaker 2>did it not feel like a big deal at the time.
<v Speaker 3>So there were a couple of things going first.
<v Speaker 4>I was really naive to like what the world thought
<v Speaker 4>of sex work, so I was like very like it
<v Speaker 4>was pretty dumb when everybody thought was like turned around
<v Speaker 4>and was like she wasn't raised right, she's bad.
<v Speaker 2>I got shunned.
<v Speaker 4>I really was in shock because I was just like
<v Speaker 4>I grew up in the Bay Area and free love
<v Speaker 4>and like feminism and whatever, and so I really like
<v Speaker 4>didn't think that it would be so taboo coming from
<v Speaker 4>such a liberal place, but it was very taboo. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>people were not down, So it's naive. I really needed
<v Speaker 4>to make money, Like I knowun was like squatting, right
<v Speaker 4>because I like lost my home.
<v Speaker 2>And like was pretty just like I don't.
<v Speaker 4>Even a really rough time in life in general, So
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. And a part of me also had this,
<v Speaker 4>like I have I have mixed feelings about this idea
<v Speaker 4>of like associating sex work to like empowerment, and I
<v Speaker 4>kind of had that false notion of like this is
<v Speaker 4>a feminist act, and I don't I necessarily think it's not.
<v Speaker 2>But I no longer feel this way about sex work.
<v Speaker 4>I feel like it's empowering because I make a good
<v Speaker 4>living and I can take care of myself and in
<v Speaker 4>that way, but I don't think the actual work itself
<v Speaker 4>is really I think it's a job.
<v Speaker 2>I think it.
<v Speaker 4>Can be really cool and whatever, and I think sometimes
<v Speaker 4>it's not.
<v Speaker 2>Like I just like, I.
<v Speaker 4>Don't love branding it as like some like feminist act,
<v Speaker 4>even though I don't think it's necessarily anti feminist. I
<v Speaker 4>think it's I think it's actually more neutral than that.
<v Speaker 4>More on, it's way more nuanced than that. Yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 4>And I know, like a lot of the like sex
<v Speaker 4>positive people want to be like, oh, yes, this is
<v Speaker 4>an empowering act, and I'm like yes and no. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you know, but I definitely came from that maybe that
<v Speaker 4>and maybe that fed that for me for a little bit,
<v Speaker 4>but yeah, that changed.
<v Speaker 2>Over the years.
<v Speaker 4>I have had more nuanced relationship with the work, which
<v Speaker 4>is funny because I love the work more than i've
<v Speaker 4>ever have too. So yeah, but yeah, so that that
<v Speaker 4>was the start on the mind frame. It was a
<v Speaker 4>really messy, messy time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds like you've had a complicated relationship with it,
<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure, which is like you kind of like
<v Speaker 2>come to this conclusion. That's interesting because I've obviously talked
<v Speaker 2>to so many people that feel like it is really empowering,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I even receive criticism from people about
<v Speaker 2>having this show that like that I'm I only talk
<v Speaker 2>about the positive aspects of sex work and not the negative,
<v Speaker 2>and which is actually not true. Like I let people
<v Speaker 2>tell their stories in whichever way it is, and I've
<v Speaker 2>definitely talked about like the negative side, and I let
<v Speaker 2>people just like everyone has a different story totally. So
<v Speaker 2>I'm always interested to talk to people who you know,
<v Speaker 2>have a different perspective on it, because i think what's
<v Speaker 2>empowering to people is is different for everyone. Right, It's
<v Speaker 2>like whatever you feel makes you feel powerful, and it
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be the same for everyone. So that's
<v Speaker 2>like really interesting to me, Like where what do you think.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just interested to hear a little bit more about
<v Speaker 2>like how you arrived at that conclusion.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, it's just that it's nuanced, right, And
<v Speaker 4>I have had moments in this industry and this is
<v Speaker 4>not the case for me at this point because I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot that goes with I think a lot
<v Speaker 4>of privilege also changes the kind of experience that you
<v Speaker 4>have in the industry, so that's a big part of it.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I've had moments that I felt like the
<v Speaker 4>least empowering. Definitely have had like bad experiences like on
<v Speaker 4>set or doing other kinds of sex work that felt
<v Speaker 4>definitely any kind of like power ripped away from me.
<v Speaker 4>And at other times, like I am a like sexually
<v Speaker 4>creative person. I do believe that like what we make
<v Speaker 4>when we get to can be art. I do believe
<v Speaker 4>it's like self expression. And I don't think there's anything
<v Speaker 4>wrong with like sex, you know, and being sexual, and
<v Speaker 4>I think like women are you know, growing up for me,
<v Speaker 4>I was definitely like very much chastised for like being
<v Speaker 4>sexual and I'm like a child, you know, it was
<v Speaker 4>just like not it was really weird messages. So like
<v Speaker 4>in those ways, I you know, getting to do that
<v Speaker 4>making what I do, I call the shots. I like,
<v Speaker 4>I love what I do now and I get to
<v Speaker 4>do whatever I want and it's like completely on my terms.
<v Speaker 4>I love my job. But like it wasn't always that way,
<v Speaker 4>and a lot changed.
<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say, like, do you feel that
<v Speaker 2>maybe you had this feeling about sex work because the
<v Speaker 2>industry itself has changed, like women, I mean creators. I
<v Speaker 2>mean like that word creator is a new term, right,
<v Speaker 2>Like that didn't exist fifteen years ago. You were a
<v Speaker 2>porn star or a model, and now you're a creator,
<v Speaker 2>which suggests an autonomy and a control over your own product,
<v Speaker 2>which you did not have before.
<v Speaker 4>Well now, like okay, you know, and not everybody, not
<v Speaker 4>everybody like makes a really good living off of only fans.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm glad I do.
<v Speaker 4>I also was making stuff like in twenty fourteen, before
<v Speaker 4>Only Fans ever started, I was making my own stuff
<v Speaker 4>on my own, so that.
<v Speaker 2>Always kind of gave me.
<v Speaker 4>It gives you more room to like say no to
<v Speaker 4>any gig you don't want to take, you know, when
<v Speaker 4>you're not.
<v Speaker 2>And I think this is like every kind of work.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because like you can feel degraded everywhere.
<v Speaker 3>It's not unique to sex work.
<v Speaker 4>It's so funny, so like my fiance is like in
<v Speaker 4>music industry and if you want to talk about like
<v Speaker 4>fucked up industries so much, so much worse.
<v Speaker 2>So much work so bad over there.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so but yeah, I think I think degradation and
<v Speaker 4>not feel empowered and being forced to do things you
<v Speaker 4>don't want to do for work is not unique to
<v Speaker 4>sex work. And yeah, with if you have like things
<v Speaker 4>like OnlyFans or any other thing that like supplements your income,
<v Speaker 4>you have the freedom to not work for anything you
<v Speaker 4>don't want to. You know, you don't feel pressure to
<v Speaker 4>do anything you don't want to do. There is so
<v Speaker 4>much more freedom. I've had so many like different life
<v Speaker 4>things where like I've had to change the way I've
<v Speaker 4>worked so many times within the years I've been.
<v Speaker 2>Around, and I'm super grateful that I've been able to.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's.
<v Speaker 4>Creating and having like your own in your income that's
<v Speaker 4>not reliant on studios or whatever like really makes a
<v Speaker 4>big difference.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's huge.
<v Speaker 2>How old were you when you got into porn's.
<v Speaker 3>Twenty twenty twenty twenty years.
<v Speaker 2>Twenty Okay, so you were like two years after turning eighteen.
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm curious, how do you feel about the age
<v Speaker 2>of being able to get into porn age of consent?
<v Speaker 2>I should get I should say, like this is such
<v Speaker 2>like a controversial topic, like so many people believe that
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be eighteen, you should be at least twenty
<v Speaker 2>one or twenty five. And then I've had seen other
<v Speaker 2>people argue that that's a privileged way to look at it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, some people need like the you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>like survive sex work, like they need to get in
<v Speaker 2>at eighteen because like that gets a out of a
<v Speaker 2>bad situation. So I've heard both sides, and I just
<v Speaker 2>think it's not interesting.
<v Speaker 4>So I think corny is a little different than other
<v Speaker 4>kinds of sex work in this way. Yeah, I don't
<v Speaker 4>find porn to be as survival because it's actually it
<v Speaker 4>takes quite a bit of time to make money what's
<v Speaker 4>important versus like escorting or stripping or like other forms
<v Speaker 4>I like, I don't like any kind of like anyone
<v Speaker 4>deciding like for me, what's what I can and can't do.
<v Speaker 4>So I am hesitant to be like you have to
<v Speaker 4>be a certain age to do it. But do I
<v Speaker 4>think that it would be cooler if like you understand yourself, more,
<v Speaker 4>understand your boundaries, more know yourself better.
<v Speaker 3>Also, like your brain is fully.
<v Speaker 4>Like formed and for making a decision that will follow
<v Speaker 4>you for the rest of your life, Like I do
<v Speaker 4>think people I think it's better for people to do
<v Speaker 4>when they're older. I think it's your Your experiences will
<v Speaker 4>be better. I think you will actually fully understand the
<v Speaker 4>decision in New York making. But yeah, I'm hesitant to
<v Speaker 4>ever be like, you know, there should be a law
<v Speaker 4>to like whatever, because I just don't feel like people
<v Speaker 4>should be making our decisions for us.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also like for me, I just feel like
<v Speaker 2>if society has decided that eighteen is when you're an
<v Speaker 2>adult and that's the age of consent for all the
<v Speaker 2>other things that you can do at eighteen, and that's
<v Speaker 2>the age of consent, like to make an exception for porn,
<v Speaker 2>I think is a slippery slope and that's dangerous, agreed.
<v Speaker 2>And do I think eighteen year olds are children? I do?
<v Speaker 2>I do? I do I do?
<v Speaker 4>And I like definitely like as I've gotten older, I
<v Speaker 4>get booked or I was because I kind of don't
<v Speaker 4>really do much studio anymore. But I while I was,
<v Speaker 4>I was doing so many mommy things, and I definitely
<v Speaker 4>had like moments of like, oh, I feel like I'm
<v Speaker 4>on set with a child, like and like you know,
<v Speaker 4>and I have like complicated feelings about it, but I'm
<v Speaker 4>like well, they're here. I'm glad that i'm their co star,
<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to make sure that i'm a good
<v Speaker 4>experience for them.
<v Speaker 2>And I would check in and whatever and just kind
<v Speaker 2>of whatever.
<v Speaker 4>But I felt like I was like playing their mom,
<v Speaker 4>but then like being their Mama's Nah. I'm just like, oh,
<v Speaker 4>you're like you're very young, and I don't know. I
<v Speaker 4>was thinking about myself at eighteen. I was so stupid.
<v Speaker 2>And messy and whatever, and so you know.
<v Speaker 3>I do see it, and I'm just like, I hope
<v Speaker 3>you're okay.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And it's not necessarily like because because I feel
<v Speaker 4>like all entertainment is like that and beyond just porn.
<v Speaker 4>I think it's just like a hard business period, and
<v Speaker 4>I think it's like, yeah, it's hard for young people,
<v Speaker 4>especially when you don't really know who you are. You know,
<v Speaker 4>you don't know what you like, you don't know there's
<v Speaker 4>so much of you that you don't know, but you
<v Speaker 4>think you know everything. Yeah, just a messy, messy Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>it's a messy combo of stuff. But like, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I think I think once we start to restrict things,
<v Speaker 4>it gets.
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<v Speaker 2>Arabella you have done a lot of advocacy work. You
<v Speaker 2>co founded BOS in twenty eighteen. I know you're not
<v Speaker 2>working with them anymore, but you also helped organize the
<v Speaker 2>Oakland Sesta FOSTA protests back when that was outlawed. So
<v Speaker 2>tell me a little bit about the advocacy work and
<v Speaker 2>maybe explain to people who don't know what cesta FASTA is,
<v Speaker 2>because I think that there's still a lot of people
<v Speaker 2>who don't understand it, and I think that in light
<v Speaker 2>of the recent Supreme Court ruling upholding the Texas age
<v Speaker 2>verification laws, people should maybe be a little bit more
<v Speaker 2>educated on what the adult industry is facing in terms
<v Speaker 2>of like government suppression.
<v Speaker 4>Cesta FOSTA was a bill that passed in twenty eighteen
<v Speaker 4>where it basically made websites liable for kind of a
<v Speaker 4>specifically and kind of anything that happened on them, specifically
<v Speaker 4>around sex trafficking. The problem is that so many different
<v Speaker 4>things can fall under that umbrella, and so when you
<v Speaker 4>people were voting for it, they were like, of course
<v Speaker 4>sex trafficking bad.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sex trafficking is like such a like sexy thing
<v Speaker 2>to get behind, because obviously nobody wants sex trafficking. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but like so many people lump any sex work under
<v Speaker 2>sex trafficking.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so like basically, if there was anything to
<v Speaker 4>be found like a sex trafficking, you could face, you
<v Speaker 4>could like hold like Facebook, libel or YouTube or whatever
<v Speaker 4>whatever site it was facilitated on. But what kind of
<v Speaker 4>happened is that it then made every wipe website basically
<v Speaker 4>uh censor and wipe sex workers off of every platform
<v Speaker 4>because they didn't want them.
<v Speaker 2>Like, I mean, it didn't work for everything, but like
<v Speaker 2>sure they.
<v Speaker 4>Tried, yeah, and like the biggest the people who took
<v Speaker 4>the biggest hit was I'm gonna use this as a
<v Speaker 4>good example. It's Backpage, which was a website that it
<v Speaker 4>was for mostly lower income in person sex workers, escorts, prostitutes,
<v Speaker 4>whatever term you want to use.
<v Speaker 2>To be able to advertise on.
<v Speaker 4>And even like the police when they like took it down,
<v Speaker 4>they were like, hey, this is actually how we find
<v Speaker 4>people who are trafficked. And there were lots of lawyers
<v Speaker 4>who are also were like, hey, this is how I
<v Speaker 4>can actually like stay in touch.
<v Speaker 2>So the people who are at the most risk and
<v Speaker 2>they were.
<v Speaker 4>Getting hurt were then like getting like falling deeper underground,
<v Speaker 4>and like the only ways that people could find them
<v Speaker 4>or contact them was through that site.
<v Speaker 2>So can you explain how backpages worked and like how
<v Speaker 2>that was beneficial to the law in terms of like
<v Speaker 2>helping sex workers.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it was helping trafficked people.
<v Speaker 4>Sorry the traffic, but it also helped sex workers also
<v Speaker 4>stay safe. So this was a website where you could
<v Speaker 4>for very little money put up an ad and get clients. Right,
<v Speaker 4>so instead of like say having to work the streets
<v Speaker 4>or or just like not being able or having to
<v Speaker 4>freestyle going into bars or whatever, it added a level
<v Speaker 4>of safety for a lot of sex workers.
<v Speaker 2>So when it disappeared, a lot of it forced a.
<v Speaker 4>Lot of people to do work that was more at
<v Speaker 4>risk of like you know, rape, death, that's all those things.
<v Speaker 4>Arrest and like it helped if anybody was actually being
<v Speaker 4>like trafficked and being advertised, that's how police would use
<v Speaker 4>that site to find people who were being like forced
<v Speaker 4>So basically people who are being trafficked and consensual sex
<v Speaker 4>workers all paid for this and the nothing it didn't
<v Speaker 4>help anybody, didn't help anybody, and it just hurt people.
<v Speaker 4>I got people into more dangerous situations and yeah, period,
<v Speaker 4>and people were lost.
<v Speaker 2>It also had like like a community like forums and
<v Speaker 2>stuff where sex workers could talk to each other and
<v Speaker 2>they could also flag problematic clients. So that was not Backpage.
<v Speaker 4>But this law then like sites like bad date lists
<v Speaker 4>and all those things also went down. So yeah, so
<v Speaker 4>it was like backpayment at a lot of different sites
<v Speaker 4>went down, a lot of different advertisements and like a.
<v Speaker 2>Lot of sites where like people would yeah, report bad dates.
<v Speaker 4>If there's anybody that like experienced violence or anything like
<v Speaker 4>that with a client, they could report that number. And
<v Speaker 4>then like people who were engaging in that kind of
<v Speaker 4>work could like you know, screen people that way and
<v Speaker 4>see if there had been any reports. So it just
<v Speaker 4>did a lot more. I mean, it just only did harm.
<v Speaker 4>I don't think anything positive came out of it. What
<v Speaker 4>was interesting is like all the like more accessible like
<v Speaker 4>all the websites that were made for like like I
<v Speaker 4>mean there's a class thing, like the fancy sites never
<v Speaker 4>went down, like you know, yeah, the sites were with
<v Speaker 4>the like the more high end workers like didn't go down.
<v Speaker 4>It was all like to me, it was like war
<v Speaker 4>on like poor sex workers.
<v Speaker 2>Why do you think that that is the case. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know.
<v Speaker 4>I don't that I have no idea, I mean poverty,
<v Speaker 4>Like we don't we hate poor people. It's true, this
<v Speaker 4>country hates poor people. Yeah, and so it is interesting
<v Speaker 4>that that like and those are the people who you
<v Speaker 4>know paid the price.
<v Speaker 2>For those people.
<v Speaker 4>I think you know a lot of people who had
<v Speaker 4>the means adapted and like went and like advertised elsewhere
<v Speaker 4>and were able to like keep working. And it's always
<v Speaker 4>like the poorest who yeh who.
<v Speaker 2>I guess any have money you can pay for like
<v Speaker 2>good lawyers, right to kind of our lawyers.
<v Speaker 4>There's other like I said, the websites that people were
<v Speaker 4>advertising on that were like very expensive to advertise on
<v Speaker 4>are still there. You could make your own website you
<v Speaker 4>learn seo. There's a million different ways if you have
<v Speaker 4>the money to do that. But you know that's not
<v Speaker 4>not everybody has that, So yes, that's a fosta like
<v Speaker 4>and then it created also just a huge amount of
<v Speaker 4>censorship too. So now like sex educators, like people who
<v Speaker 4>were just like talked about sex, they would also like
<v Speaker 4>get censored on all platforms because everybody's afraid to get
<v Speaker 4>sued for trafficking. Right, there's a large like ramifications for
<v Speaker 4>a bill that didn't even help the people who they
<v Speaker 4>were claiming to help.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, right, I mean there's a lot of we
<v Speaker 2>see that so much with you know, organizations like Nicosi
<v Speaker 2>and Trafficking Hub. I mean they dress up this you know,
<v Speaker 2>conservative religious right movement and we want to protect women
<v Speaker 2>from sex trafficking, and they really use that as a
<v Speaker 2>trojan horse to shut down porn exactly.
<v Speaker 4>I mean as a woman from Exodus who literally posted
<v Speaker 4>Layla Michels, Yeah, posted her video like a part of
<v Speaker 4>her like video, this was child pornography, like on like Twitter,
<v Speaker 4>like it's just insane, and like there were numerous people
<v Speaker 4>who had worked with them who then like you know,
<v Speaker 4>came out and said that they were like completely shafted.
<v Speaker 4>Learning kind of the background of how like anti trafficking
<v Speaker 4>laws and organizations worked really made me question everything else
<v Speaker 4>because it sounds good, but it's not. It's not helping
<v Speaker 4>with people who are and it's hurting a lot of
<v Speaker 4>people who are like consentually doing the work.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, so we put on that that march into
<v Speaker 4>Oaklos me and Maxine Holloway who still runs boss I
<v Speaker 4>that's it's it's it's hard work.
<v Speaker 2>And I think it was.
<v Speaker 4>Activism and like especially I think in like, identity based
<v Speaker 4>activism gets like very messy and tricky. Uh, And so
<v Speaker 4>I like did not have the like I didn't I
<v Speaker 4>didn't have it in me to keep going. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 4>like we started, we put on you know, we set
<v Speaker 4>up a thing.
<v Speaker 2>We had like emergency like funds for people.
<v Speaker 4>I think they just shut that program down recently, but
<v Speaker 4>for years they were just like if you didn't have
<v Speaker 4>a place to sleep, you didn't have a you know,
<v Speaker 4>you needed groceries, you need to feed your kid whatever, like,
<v Speaker 4>you were sent like a couple hundred dollars to help
<v Speaker 4>in in your.
<v Speaker 2>Time of need. So that was a thing. They helped
<v Speaker 2>people get housing.
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of different stuff, education, sharing resources. But yeah,
<v Speaker 4>so we put on the Oakland Contingent because it was.
<v Speaker 2>A national I think actually it was a national thing.
<v Speaker 4>There were a couple like people marches like internationally, but
<v Speaker 4>it was like obviously it was a US law.
<v Speaker 3>So but yeah, we did the Oakland March.
<v Speaker 2>So switching gears, I want to talk a little bit
<v Speaker 2>about you know, being an ink model. Yes, you won
<v Speaker 2>porn Hub's Best Ink Performer. That must have been been
<v Speaker 2>pretty awesome. How did that feel for you?
<v Speaker 3>It was nice. Yeah, yeah, it was nice. I've been
<v Speaker 3>nominated a whole bunch, but I won one.
<v Speaker 4>Thing for directing forever ago, but it was a tie
<v Speaker 4>at av Yeah, have you ever heard of that? I
<v Speaker 4>haven't exactly, And I was just like, okay, So after
<v Speaker 4>years of performing, it was nice to finally just.
<v Speaker 3>Be like, hey, you know what, Yeah, here here you go.
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like having many tattoos was ever like
<v Speaker 2>a barrier for you for getting work? Yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 4>It's not like that anymore when I was doing mainstream
<v Speaker 4>this last time around, because I did it on and
<v Speaker 4>off and sometimes I just worked for specific companies whatever.
<v Speaker 4>But like I really didn't have a hard time at
<v Speaker 4>all getting work.
<v Speaker 3>But that was, you know, it was not the case
<v Speaker 3>when I first started.
<v Speaker 5>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was super hard.
<v Speaker 4>And if you did have a lot of tattoos, you
<v Speaker 4>had to do the most.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you think about it.
<v Speaker 4>You can think of like the Bonnie Rottens or like whatever,
<v Speaker 4>like right you. Yeah, if you were heavily tattooed, you
<v Speaker 4>had to stick like five dicks.
<v Speaker 2>In your butt and like and do the most. And
<v Speaker 2>it was it was.
<v Speaker 4>Hard and you could only fit one category. So if
<v Speaker 4>you were tattooed. You needed big fake tips, or you
<v Speaker 4>couldn't be like brown, or you could be whatever you
<v Speaker 4>could would only be weird in one way, if that
<v Speaker 4>makes sense. Yeah, Or you had to like if you
<v Speaker 4>were heavily tattooed, you need to look like a Barbie
<v Speaker 4>or like there was just not a lot of you
<v Speaker 4>can be curvy and tattooed, you know, like because people
<v Speaker 4>will be like, well there.
<v Speaker 2>Was this person, this person person.
<v Speaker 4>I'm like yeah, and like they there were very very
<v Speaker 4>thin did the most extreme had a lot of plaxic
<v Speaker 4>but you had you had to fit in these like
<v Speaker 4>specific boxes, which I think like non tattooed people have
<v Speaker 4>a little bit more space.
<v Speaker 3>But that's I think it's way different now. Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 3>I think.
<v Speaker 4>There's still a little bit of something here and there.
<v Speaker 4>You can't always get gigs. There's some companies that don't
<v Speaker 4>want to shoot you, but like you can sell and
<v Speaker 4>make really good money being tattooed.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think also, like the audience is younger, The
<v Speaker 2>demographics for excu's younger, and they're more accepting of tattoos.
<v Speaker 2>I find that people who generally don't like tattoos are
<v Speaker 2>older people, So I think that that has changed also
<v Speaker 2>very much. Do you believe that porn can be a
<v Speaker 2>legitimate art form in any way? Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I think a good performer is af I mean
<v Speaker 4>that's why I like the word performer, Like you are.
<v Speaker 4>It's a performance and that does not mean there's no
<v Speaker 4>like genuine like chemistry or whatever. But like, not everybody
<v Speaker 4>is interesting to watch. Not everybody is good at this,
<v Speaker 4>And I think it is creative and I think there is.
<v Speaker 4>It's like a like to call it a it's like
<v Speaker 4>a non scripted ballet almost, Yeah, how you read each other.
<v Speaker 2>And my mother used to always say it was like
<v Speaker 2>a dance. Yeah, but it is it totally is it is.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's all about like body movement, like body
<v Speaker 2>awareness and.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I mean you're photographer, the way you shoot
<v Speaker 4>it also can be I think, yeah, it definitely can
<v Speaker 4>be in our form. And it can also be like
<v Speaker 4>you know, McDonald's just like food. Food can be Michelin Star,
<v Speaker 4>you know, beautiful whatever, and you can get McDonald's. It's
<v Speaker 4>the same and portnt you know, Like, I think it's
<v Speaker 4>a wide range. But can it be like an art
<v Speaker 4>form and something like truly beautiful or just like yes,
<v Speaker 4>can it mean something?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like I think it can be all those things
<v Speaker 3>for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean I've definitely I've shot thousands of Born
<v Speaker 2>scenes and you know, I've definitely walked away from scenes
<v Speaker 2>and I've been like that was fucking amazing, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. And there's been lots of where I
<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, we're done. Yeah, you're like, or like
<v Speaker 2>I've watched them, I'm like, yeah, five more minutes the doggy, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's just like painful exactly. Yeah, there's somewhere you're just
<v Speaker 2>like I just like if you're watching and you're like,
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, yeah, what the fuck skipping.
<v Speaker 4>And just being like, oh, I'm just like I love
<v Speaker 4>the world, I love my job and whatever, because it
<v Speaker 4>just like I knew I created something awesome.
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, there's other times where you're like, oh, that's
<v Speaker 3>another one.
<v Speaker 2>You've also wanted to talk about healing and sex work,
<v Speaker 2>So can you talk about how the industry has shaped
<v Speaker 2>or challenged your own healing journey?
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think being able and this is not this
<v Speaker 4>is not everybody, but for me, like it gave me
<v Speaker 4>the access to like do so much healing. I mean
<v Speaker 4>financial independence, you know, pace for therapy, has stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Like health insurance.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like it really like you know, helped me access
<v Speaker 4>like to get a lot of the help I needed.
<v Speaker 2>What I believe like money buys you that this is
<v Speaker 2>the most important thing is freedom. Agreed, Yeah, huge, I
<v Speaker 2>agree with you in that huge.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And I think to pretend like it doesn't is
<v Speaker 3>a life.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's not fair.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think it's interesting because I think a
<v Speaker 4>lot of people like to talk about like all the
<v Speaker 4>dark things and mental health stuff within the industry, but
<v Speaker 4>I've also been able to like do so much healing
<v Speaker 4>and take the time. I think it's also like really
<v Speaker 4>accessible work to Let's say you have a chronic illness,
<v Speaker 4>whether it's mental or physical. Like if you work right,
<v Speaker 4>it's a really great job for that, Like because you're
<v Speaker 4>not working a nine to five, you can take the
<v Speaker 4>type if you know what you're doing and you're prioritizing yourself.
<v Speaker 4>Because this could be done in a lot of different ways.
<v Speaker 4>And I've done the work in a lot of phrase
<v Speaker 4>where I've definitely like hurt myself and then found ways
<v Speaker 4>to like really take care of myself with it. But yeah,
<v Speaker 4>it gives you the time the resources to really care
<v Speaker 4>for yourself if you want it to.
<v Speaker 2>Be like that.
<v Speaker 4>I think the hard thing with healing in this industry
<v Speaker 4>is mostly the way.
<v Speaker 2>The world treats you. Yeah, you know.
<v Speaker 4>And you know, for me, like online comments or whatever
<v Speaker 4>it used to be, it was used to be so
<v Speaker 4>hard for me.
<v Speaker 2>I had such a hard time with it. You know.
<v Speaker 4>I would think about a comment and I would like
<v Speaker 4>think about it for ever, and like days and days
<v Speaker 4>I would let it ruin my days or whatever. And
<v Speaker 4>so like if you don't build like that mental strength,
<v Speaker 4>like I think it can really like be really really
<v Speaker 4>harmful and the world, you know, like navigating like friends, family,
<v Speaker 4>all that stuff. So I feel like it's less the
<v Speaker 4>industry and the work itself, but like the way people
<v Speaker 4>respond to you can be super hard on your mental health.
<v Speaker 4>I do think that we work out like shooting porn
<v Speaker 4>is working out with bad form.
<v Speaker 2>It is. I just gotta, I just gotta say it.
<v Speaker 3>So what I.
<v Speaker 4>Recommend everyone performing is like you need to take care
<v Speaker 4>of your body, Like after you shoot, you need to stretch,
<v Speaker 4>You need to like fix yourself because.
<v Speaker 2>Doing this all the time is actually really you know,
<v Speaker 2>I know, like because you want to always arch your
<v Speaker 2>back because it's a beautiful shape. But actually when you
<v Speaker 2>work out, you don't you want to like engage your
<v Speaker 2>core and like tuck your tailbone in, which looks terrible
<v Speaker 2>on not like God. So that's the number one thing
<v Speaker 2>I'm pay true.
<v Speaker 4>I'm paying for it now, like I'm in PTA and
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh years, yeah I did this. I think
<v Speaker 4>there's so many ways you can navigate through this industry
<v Speaker 4>and you couldn't. You can go like through a hard,
<v Speaker 4>like dark I guess, path, but like you can also
<v Speaker 4>use it to really like enrich your life. And I'm
<v Speaker 4>so grateful I have the work that I have that's
<v Speaker 4>like really made it possible for me to to.
<v Speaker 2>Get there, I guess. But yeah, take care of your bodies,
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah.
<v Speaker 4>And I think this is other thing is like when
<v Speaker 4>people first start im porn, they think they have to
<v Speaker 4>do everything all at once and they burn themselves out
<v Speaker 4>like crazy, and you don't have to do that.
<v Speaker 2>Like I blew up really late in my.
<v Speaker 4>You know, in my in my career, like it took
<v Speaker 4>a long time for me to like, you know, get
<v Speaker 4>where I wanted to be, and you know, it was
<v Speaker 4>a slow burner and that was okay, and then it
<v Speaker 4>worked out, and guess what, I'm like able to make
<v Speaker 4>the same more sometimes more than people who are like
<v Speaker 4>burning themselves out completely. So I think it's also like
<v Speaker 4>kind of checking in with yourself and like knowing that
<v Speaker 4>you don't need to actually you don't have to do
<v Speaker 4>all the things all the time, And I think it's
<v Speaker 4>really important when you work with your body to listen
<v Speaker 4>to it.
<v Speaker 2>You write up the idea of fetish as being good
<v Speaker 2>or bad. What are your thoughts on how the industry
<v Speaker 2>and society labels certain kinks?
<v Speaker 4>You know, I used to, he said, I danced around
<v Speaker 4>this for so long where I was like, first I
<v Speaker 4>was like, all fetishes are good, and then I was like,
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, this is pretty bad.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Now I'm just like, ah, yeah, where I'm just like, okay,
<v Speaker 4>if you have a place to go work whatever you
<v Speaker 4>have to work out that's safe and consensual, maybe like
<v Speaker 4>do it. I don't, you don't necessarily, I like, I
<v Speaker 4>don't want to do every fetish that's out there, you know,
<v Speaker 4>But like I think in the end, it's good. I know,
<v Speaker 4>I see a lot of my friends who are like
<v Speaker 4>really into age play, like it's so much crap.
<v Speaker 3>Online.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and like most my friends like that recently is
<v Speaker 4>a good example. And she's like, I'm like, She's like,
<v Speaker 4>I'm a woman in my thirties. I'm obviously not a
<v Speaker 4>teenager right now. She's like, you know, like I like
<v Speaker 4>age play, but I'm obviously like of age and you know,
<v Speaker 4>and I used to be like, oh, all race play
<v Speaker 4>is bad. And while I don't want to partake in it,
<v Speaker 4>who am I going to like tell like, you know,
<v Speaker 4>specifically talked about like black black people in the industry,
<v Speaker 4>because it's like such a thing, right, like you might
<v Speaker 4>have tell black people how do they should yeah process
<v Speaker 4>their stuff?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like really actually not for me to say.
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to parson the ticket. Yeah, I feel
<v Speaker 2>the same way, Like I don't want to have anything
<v Speaker 2>to do with that. But I've had a lot of
<v Speaker 2>black performers come on and tell me how they feel
<v Speaker 2>about it, and I just I love to hear people's
<v Speaker 2>perspective and their stories and my eyes have been open
<v Speaker 2>and I learned so much about it from them. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not about to tell black people, trans people, anybody
<v Speaker 2>like how they're going to live their life because I
<v Speaker 2>have no idea what they're going through exactly.
<v Speaker 4>I do think porn is like such a reflection of
<v Speaker 4>like our own societies, right, Like we live in America,
<v Speaker 4>racial tensions, forever.
<v Speaker 2>There's inter racial is the is the most watched in
<v Speaker 2>the Red States. Yeah, there's the most racism. Yeah, oh,
<v Speaker 2>the emotions.
<v Speaker 4>Like all the trans stuff too, and so like I
<v Speaker 4>think porn is like a direct like reflection of what's
<v Speaker 4>going on. Yes, politically and culturally, yes, good and bad. Yes,
<v Speaker 4>you know, and that's a weird and interesting thing to watch.
<v Speaker 4>And then they'll be like it's porn. I'm like, it's
<v Speaker 4>the country, this is this is you guys. Yeah yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I have like complicated feelings about it, and I definitely
<v Speaker 4>choose to engage how I choose too. But I used
<v Speaker 4>to be a lot more like like weirdly like leftist authoritarian,
<v Speaker 4>like you go so left that you become like authoritarian.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and I'm that becomes like very much like
<v Speaker 2>they're right, yes, dude. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So I've been like going through a really like intense like.
<v Speaker 2>No, this you didn't go that far left or not
<v Speaker 2>doing us any favor. No, It's like I know a
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who were left that went right because
<v Speaker 2>they felt like the left went to left and they
<v Speaker 2>were like, I feel like I'm being punished for being
<v Speaker 2>middle and so now I'm going to vote Republican and
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, yeah, it's fact. Everybody is losing their mind.
<v Speaker 3>No, I used to be very much I used to
<v Speaker 3>idn't fly as a radical.
<v Speaker 4>And while I'm still like I think, I'm like, I
<v Speaker 4>think I'm still like a socialist and whatever whatever I'd like,
<v Speaker 4>there's something like deeply wrong with like I don't know
<v Speaker 4>the way the left moves and it's been my own
<v Speaker 4>like kind of I've had an identity crisis recently because
<v Speaker 4>I'm just like, I don't like, I don't know, I
<v Speaker 4>don't know what to call myself anymore.
<v Speaker 2>But this is not it for me either.
<v Speaker 4>But so I used to be very much like, you
<v Speaker 4>can't do this, you can't do that, and I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>who the fuck am I to judge? And who am
<v Speaker 4>I like to say? Like, what's what's wrong right for
<v Speaker 4>other people? So the way I approach fetish is now
<v Speaker 4>is greatly changed to the way to approach it when
<v Speaker 4>I was younger.
<v Speaker 2>I definitely have my own personal opinions about things, but
<v Speaker 2>I always believe that everybody has a right to whatever
<v Speaker 2>they want to do as long as it doesn't affect
<v Speaker 2>other people and how they live their lives. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>that's what this fucking country is supposed to be about. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>not really what it's about right now, but we won't
<v Speaker 2>get into it. Yeah, well we so tell me about
<v Speaker 2>your time working at a Tontra studio and speaking in
<v Speaker 2>tongue A story, right, Yeah, I do.
<v Speaker 4>So this was when I was like I first moved
<v Speaker 4>to La and I was like shooting porn full time.
<v Speaker 4>But this is like over a decade ago, and so
<v Speaker 4>this is like pre Arabella gets all the work she wants.
<v Speaker 4>So I was like broke, and you know, I did
<v Speaker 4>that really embarrassing thing where you supported man.
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, never do that, but I'm going
<v Speaker 2>to go do this right now.
<v Speaker 4>So I'm like supporting my partner. Yeah I married him.
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes sometimes my current husband just want to point that out.
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes, you know, if they're really doing if they're bringing it,
<v Speaker 4>it's a different story.
<v Speaker 2>But this was not the case.
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, so like I'm supporting somebody, I'm like whatever,
<v Speaker 4>not working enough. So I you know, start to look
<v Speaker 4>around and there's like like massage slash contra place in
<v Speaker 4>La the people are from and so I go work
<v Speaker 4>there and it's.
<v Speaker 2>Like run by this lady. So like it's a really interesting.
<v Speaker 4>A lot of the other goo massage like spots that
<v Speaker 4>mostly like have white women because that is also very
<v Speaker 4>different scenes and different owners. So like a lot of
<v Speaker 4>those spots specifically are very like usually by like kind
<v Speaker 4>of woo woo white ladies who like you know, like
<v Speaker 4>there's like crosses and Buddhas and like Krishna.
<v Speaker 2>And whatever else, like religious salad is happening. We don't
<v Speaker 2>know which one to pick.
<v Speaker 4>They're Shamans and whatever. They're like them all into yahuasca.
<v Speaker 4>They're either an aa or Hiawaski drinker. But there's like
<v Speaker 4>these two extremes.
<v Speaker 2>I've said, I've met a.
<v Speaker 3>Lot of them and there's the point in my life.
<v Speaker 2>So but those like they they are part of these dudes,
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah.
<v Speaker 4>On this one, and they're like some of none all
<v Speaker 4>of them, but some of them are like kind.
<v Speaker 2>Of cold tea. Like there's some weird vibes going.
<v Speaker 4>Uh. But uh, this one place and I was there
<v Speaker 4>and you know, I called it sex work, and everybody
<v Speaker 4>was like oh no, we're you know, you're a goddess.
<v Speaker 3>You're like a tantric goddess. You're not. Like a second,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I am touching dicks for money. I don't
<v Speaker 3>know why.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is sex work.
<v Speaker 4>But I was doing a double where she was like
<v Speaker 4>training me in contra with the owner.
<v Speaker 3>So we're like in session and.
<v Speaker 2>Guys laying down, hands are on him.
<v Speaker 4>I think at some point he starts like just sobbing,
<v Speaker 4>like intensely, and I was like, okay, you know people
<v Speaker 4>touch I mean you get massages, like regular massages and
<v Speaker 4>people cry, right, so like touched us a lot, not
<v Speaker 4>so crazy, right, But so he's sobbing and sobbing and
<v Speaker 4>saying he's having hard time, and then all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 4>like the owner starts like, you know, like speaking in tongues,
<v Speaker 4>which I've never experienced before. I was raised Jewish. We
<v Speaker 4>don't do that holding a snake, but like blah blah bah.
<v Speaker 3>Holding a snake, yes exactly, So yes, she's holding.
<v Speaker 4>A snake, speaking in tongues and just going and I'm
<v Speaker 4>just like, you.
<v Speaker 5>Know, you're just where you just like yeah, just like
<v Speaker 5>I don't know what's going on, and what's crazy is
<v Speaker 5>when she stops, he responds to her back and he's
<v Speaker 5>all shot and I'm just like, ahh, so fucking weird.
<v Speaker 4>And they're sobbing and they're speaking in tongues and it's
<v Speaker 4>just happening, and it takes forever, and like at some point,
<v Speaker 4>I'm like holding him and he's like, you're the mother.
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, okay, I'm the mother. So I'm like, I'm
<v Speaker 4>like twenty two. This man is like fifty something. I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 4>I'm your mom.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm just like little That was a foreshadowing.
<v Speaker 4>Rehearser and I'm holding this man and finally he nuts
<v Speaker 4>and then we go into the.
<v Speaker 2>Bathroom nuts casually throw that in there.
<v Speaker 4>Took forever, you know, go into the bathroom and like
<v Speaker 4>you know, and we clean up and she turns to me.
<v Speaker 2>The first thing she says to me, she looks at
<v Speaker 2>me and.
<v Speaker 4>She's like, God, I thought he was never gonna be done.
<v Speaker 4>He was never gonna finish. And I was just like,
<v Speaker 4>that's all you have to say to me. You guys
<v Speaker 4>were like speaking in tongues, some almost sobbing uncontrollably is
<v Speaker 4>like a weird.
<v Speaker 2>One of the it's one. And I've done so much
<v Speaker 2>sex work.
<v Speaker 4>I've been so many weird experiences, weird stories.
<v Speaker 3>But that definitely is like in the top that's in.
<v Speaker 2>The top three. You know. It's just like, and this
<v Speaker 2>is what this bitch.
<v Speaker 4>Wants to say to me is just like God, I
<v Speaker 4>thought he would never finish.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just like, wait, I'm sorry, I need to
<v Speaker 2>know when he came. Did he like orgasm in tongues?
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. I don't think so. I don't think
<v Speaker 2>that would be would have so good.
<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna but it's just like.
<v Speaker 2>At first, I was like, Okay, she's nutty, and then
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what is this. He's responding in tongues
<v Speaker 2>and I've never I've never experienced that. Wow, Wow, that's amazing.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Fuck. And he should be like a
<v Speaker 2>scene in a movie.
<v Speaker 4>Or I'm like writing, so I'm working on a book
<v Speaker 4>of like short story. I love like absurdity gives me
<v Speaker 4>joy if like I have a philosophy in life, it's
<v Speaker 4>like the absurd Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what keeps me going. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>because you can enjoy and laugh at the darkness and
<v Speaker 4>the light right like it's and I think.
<v Speaker 2>You have to have that kind of personality honestly, just
<v Speaker 2>survive important, you have to have that kind of like
<v Speaker 2>dark humor, because let's be honest, like this career is
<v Speaker 2>kind of ridiculous.
<v Speaker 1>It is.
<v Speaker 2>It's so weird.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's great and it's weird and it's also ridiculous exactly,
<v Speaker 4>and so like I love that. So I want to
<v Speaker 4>I'm making I'm writing like a collection of short stories
<v Speaker 4>of like just like absurd absurd moment. I love that
<v Speaker 4>in life, And that's definitely I love that.
<v Speaker 2>Now you mentioned a gang bang trajectory.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, is that?
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean by that?
<v Speaker 4>Actually we were talking about like empowerment and important.
<v Speaker 2>This is a great example.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, great, So first gang bang I ever experienced, Like
<v Speaker 4>I it was such a horrible experience for me, like
<v Speaker 4>and it was like it was a rape fantasy one
<v Speaker 4>so like and while I'm doing it, I'm like, oh,
<v Speaker 4>I consented to getting raped, Like that's what.
<v Speaker 2>It felt like. That was one of those things that
<v Speaker 2>maybe should have stayed a fantasy.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, well it wasn't even mine.
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't know.
<v Speaker 4>I just really I didn't know, and I was young
<v Speaker 4>and did not know you know, really what I was
<v Speaker 4>getting myself into it.
<v Speaker 2>Oh it was a rape fantasy scene. Yeah, it's your
<v Speaker 2>fantasy that you were No. I just was like, that's different.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was. It was like a hardcore gang bang.
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't I didn't know. I just didn't know.
<v Speaker 4>And I had done like BDSM yeah, and like I
<v Speaker 4>was fine with that. So like it was just like
<v Speaker 4>the unknown and like hmmm, I and I had like
<v Speaker 4>I had consented to being marked, like everything was on
<v Speaker 4>a I think there was one guy that was a
<v Speaker 4>little too rough, but for the most part like it,
<v Speaker 4>you know, like I don't no one was trying to
<v Speaker 4>hurt me. But like I like, I mean I remember
<v Speaker 4>crying during it and not even know. I didn't even
<v Speaker 4>know I was crying. Like it was just like such
<v Speaker 4>a horrible experience. And I remember leaving I was black
<v Speaker 4>and blue for day, Like.
<v Speaker 2>Why was it such a horrible experience? Was it the
<v Speaker 2>way they were treating you? Was it how hard they
<v Speaker 2>were Like, was it the things they were saying to you? Everything?
<v Speaker 2>I think it was everything.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it was, like you know, there was
<v Speaker 4>a lot of degradation in it, and I definitely learned,
<v Speaker 4>like I'm not into degradation. I will do that to
<v Speaker 4>someone else all day. Yeah, but like I'm not into
<v Speaker 4>it though. Yeah, this was more for me. I think
<v Speaker 4>how hard it was going and whatever, and like there
<v Speaker 4>was so much going on. Also, like there was one
<v Speaker 4>male talent who like threw a hissy fit during This
<v Speaker 4>is a side note, but it's just funny. During he
<v Speaker 4>was like the other guy's getting into my light and
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, bitch, you're on a five guy game.
<v Speaker 2>Bang.
<v Speaker 4>No one cares about you. Like you are not a person.
<v Speaker 4>You are a dick. That is all you are, U
<v Speaker 4>diva life. It was really funny, like this guy now,
<v Speaker 4>like I have a soft spot from but at the
<v Speaker 4>time I was like I et you because I'm like hanging.
<v Speaker 2>On by like a thread, like you know.
<v Speaker 4>I definitely like was like it felt like a traumatic experience,
<v Speaker 4>and so I was like, okay, never doing a gang
<v Speaker 4>bang and like you know, like never doing it again.
<v Speaker 4>Really bad like Weeks Black and Blue, like could barely
<v Speaker 4>like swallow, like it was god super rough. And so
<v Speaker 4>like years later I went back to that same site
<v Speaker 4>and it was a new director and I was like, hey,
<v Speaker 4>like I had a really bad.
<v Speaker 2>Experience like doing this, Let's do it again? Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>kind of. I was like, I was.
<v Speaker 4>Like, would you be open to like giving me like
<v Speaker 4>a different experience.
<v Speaker 3>She was like, yeah, totally, and.
<v Speaker 2>So like she let me pick everybody. It was.
<v Speaker 4>It was like an Alice in Wonderland. It seemed really fun.
<v Speaker 4>I picked everybody. I did it, and like the vibe
<v Speaker 4>was I'm a slut, which was so much more fun
<v Speaker 4>than like I don't want this for me, like, and
<v Speaker 4>it was such a different experience. So it's probably one
<v Speaker 4>of my favorite scenes of all time still, Like it
<v Speaker 4>was such a completely different experience and it was like
<v Speaker 4>really healing, I think for me to have like the
<v Speaker 4>same kind of scenario and the same like for the
<v Speaker 4>same company, feel in control.
<v Speaker 2>I feel in control.
<v Speaker 4>And like felt like celebrated and felt so good.
<v Speaker 3>And then the third time I was like, this is boring.
<v Speaker 4>So I've like experienced all things, and now I do
<v Speaker 4>a ton of like blowbanks for Darko because of Darko
<v Speaker 4>and I vibe and so like I do a ton
<v Speaker 4>of them now. But it's really funny to like go
<v Speaker 4>from horrific amazing kind of boring.
<v Speaker 2>Ran the goldilocks of like gang bangs, you know this
<v Speaker 2>one's too hot, this, this one's just right.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's so funny.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, oh my god, that is so good.
<v Speaker 2>I love that. All right. So my last question for
<v Speaker 2>you is about an event that you are hosting Sunday,
<v Speaker 2>August third on zoom Ye called the Art.
<v Speaker 7>Of the Blowjaw. Yes, can you tell us about that? Yeah?
<v Speaker 7>So that's like my that's my specialty. That's what I'm
<v Speaker 7>famous for, you know. So that's that's what I'm good at.
<v Speaker 7>I make things disappear. I am a magician.
<v Speaker 3>Magician.
<v Speaker 2>It's true, though, I like it's kind of insane.
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know I was so good at this until
<v Speaker 4>I was like making those of like self producing like
<v Speaker 4>BJ clips, and then they like slowly I like started
<v Speaker 4>going like you're a scored SA.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, no one told me.
<v Speaker 4>I'm also like offended all the guys I slept with
<v Speaker 4>before this and weren't just like you are amazing, because
<v Speaker 4>apparently I'm amazing.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so that's what I'm really good at.
<v Speaker 4>And a lot of the time when I work with
<v Speaker 4>other folks, they're like intimidated or whatever, or people think
<v Speaker 4>they can't like they think there's only one way to
<v Speaker 4>give a blowjob or whatever. And so I thought that, like,
<v Speaker 4>you know, I one really enjoy it when I'm really
<v Speaker 4>good at it, and I think I'm nice enough, so I'm.
<v Speaker 3>Like, okay, I should like teach a class.
<v Speaker 4>So it's for like this website called Aeroid of Films,
<v Speaker 4>and they like host a bunch of different workshops, and
<v Speaker 4>so I'm going to do one, and I'm going to
<v Speaker 4>teach anybody that wants to learn how to like give
<v Speaker 4>good head and have fun doing it, because I think
<v Speaker 4>that's like the number one thing.
<v Speaker 2>If you're not having fun, it's gonna be good. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I love that. And the thing is is that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of women that feel giving head is degrading. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and I think that people need to change their experience
<v Speaker 2>around that.
<v Speaker 3>I have a spin with that.
<v Speaker 2>Mmm.
<v Speaker 3>I find giving a blowjob to be very very powerful.
<v Speaker 2>I think so too.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can destroy your life.
<v Speaker 4>I think I can make you come either.
<v Speaker 3>Way though, like you are, like I can.
<v Speaker 4>You can really hurt feel really good, and that is
<v Speaker 4>in my hand. So I think actually getting a blowjob
<v Speaker 4>is pretty vulnerable to put like your entire sexual organ
<v Speaker 4>in someone else's mouth. So if you look at it
<v Speaker 4>that way. Yeah, it really is different. It could be
<v Speaker 4>a really different gig. And yeah, and I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 4>like let me see if I can like make you dance,
<v Speaker 4>like yeah, I think it's it's a really fun and
<v Speaker 4>doesn't have to be that way, so yeah, I want to.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you. That's exactly how I feel
<v Speaker 2>about it. Yeah yeah, right, yea much. Yeah, and it's
<v Speaker 2>very much in your control, like more so than sex
<v Speaker 2>like that that is literally all you, Like you're doing
<v Speaker 2>all the work. Oh yeah, so that's great. So I'm
<v Speaker 2>assuming are you going to have a guy there with
<v Speaker 2>you or are you doing it on a dildo.
<v Speaker 4>I just want to teach people that, like you don't
<v Speaker 4>also have to like know how to like swallow swords
<v Speaker 4>to give a good hud too, because I think that's
<v Speaker 4>also commedt misception.
<v Speaker 2>People look at porn.
<v Speaker 4>And they're like, I have to be able to like
<v Speaker 4>throw something, yeah, to deep throat, to like give good
<v Speaker 4>head inless not necessarily it either, so it'll be fun
<v Speaker 4>to do.
<v Speaker 1>Well.
<v Speaker 2>I love that that sounds like maybe I'll tune in.
<v Speaker 2>I personally think I'm also great at blowjobs. You never know,
<v Speaker 2>I mean where I'm every day. I'm learning new things
<v Speaker 2>every day. You know, you're never You're never a master. No,
<v Speaker 2>A student of life, yes, exactly, a student of life,
<v Speaker 2>student of blowjobs. That's me. All right, well, Arabell, thank
<v Speaker 2>you so much. It's been so great to have you.
<v Speaker 2>I do have a bunch of Patreon questions for you.
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it two three pages. Holy moly, we'll be
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<v Speaker 2>Unfiltered memberships start at only five dollars a month. It's
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<v Speaker 2>check it out. Otherwise, Arabell, can you tell everyone where
<v Speaker 2>they can find you online? Yeah, you can find me.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say my whole name, say o long say
<v Speaker 3>it so.
<v Speaker 4>I have an only fans and an Instagram at A
<v Speaker 4>R A B E L L E R A p
<v Speaker 4>h A E L.
<v Speaker 2>It's a long, long name.
<v Speaker 5>People.
<v Speaker 2>I know that people get it wrong. They like to
<v Speaker 2>put in a at the end. This is a bad choice.
<v Speaker 4>It sounded really cool, but like it's not for like
<v Speaker 4>Popular Consumption and I'm on Twitter at mommy Arabell and yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you should check out my only Fans.
<v Speaker 2>And then where can people go to find the link
<v Speaker 2>to sign up for the Art of the Blowjob? Will
<v Speaker 2>you just just have that link like on your socials?
<v Speaker 2>It's on my socials.
<v Speaker 3>I need to I should put it in my like
<v Speaker 3>Arabel dot com.
<v Speaker 4>Like, actually you're reminding me of this, but it's linked
<v Speaker 4>on my Instagram and my Twitter right now, okay, more,
<v Speaker 4>I will put.
<v Speaker 2>It By the time this episode comes out, it will
<v Speaker 2>be linked there properly. And you guys can find me
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<v Speaker 2>one place. Thank you guys so much for watching and
<v Speaker 2>I will see you next week.