“Camp Nowhere” Meets World with Hillary Tuck

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Speaker 1: Treating myself to my second ever quote unquote vampire facial. I say quote unquote because that's kind of the nickname for them.

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Speaker 2: Because because it makes you look like a vampire.

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Speaker 3: A little bit, just a little bit, but it does involve blood.

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Speaker 1: So I remember learning about this years and years ago when I worked with someone who had the most radiant skin I've ever seen in my life, and I was like, wow, your skill. First of all, this beautiful woman was also very young, in her early twenties, but still she had gorgeous skin. And I was like, wow, your skin is so beautiful. And she was like, oh, yeah, it's the vampire facial.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm sorry what.

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Speaker 1: And she explained that they basically numb your face and then they go over your face with like a roller thing that has tons of needles in it. Oh god, and it just pokes all these tiny holes in your skin and they do your forehead, They do all over your face and neck.

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Speaker 3: If you want to have.

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Speaker 1: Your neck done, Does it hurt so because of the numbing cream which they put on my face for thirty minutes, No, it doesn't hurt.

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Speaker 3: I would say, there's a little bit of stinging.

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Speaker 1: Now, the from the multiple from the multiple needle jab. The only time it did kind of hurt is I did have my neck done too, and at the very bottom of my neck. They didn't put the they didn't put numbing cream all that far down. But the numbing cream is wiped off before they do the treatment, so she can't see exactly where the numbing treatment had gone, so she went a little lower than the numbing cream had gone. So I'd be like, not painful, not painful, ollou not painful, not painful, not painful oo. And I could tell like, oh, there wasn't no numbing cream there, So the numbing cream really works.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: So it sounds like, isn't this the same process of getting a tattoo.

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Speaker 3: It's basically a tattoo the same time.

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Speaker 2: You could just dye your whole face. Correct.

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Speaker 5: They don't numb your leg when you get numb your body. When you get a tattoo, it's just what do you want.

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Speaker 3: And it's one needle over and over again.

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Speaker 1: This is a lot of them at the same time, like the whole the whole process with the thirty minutes of numbing and the process of the micro needling and then the second part, which I haven't gotten to yet, is before while you're having your face numbed, they come and draw your blood, and then they take a vial of your blood back to a back room and they spin it in a machine and it separates the plasma from your blood. And so then they come back in with a vial of your blood where all the bread blood cells are at the bottom, and then there's like fat on top of that, and then there's like liquid goo that's the plasma.

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Speaker 3: And then they take.

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Speaker 1: That plasma in a surrey and so after all the little holes are in your skin, they pour your plasma on to your skin and it basically hardens and you can't wash your face for like four to six hours. You leave there with like a very tight feeling face, and you are and then you are also pretty red and bloody, but not as bad as you think. The greatest part is that the next day you look almost kind of normal, a little bit red, just a little bit red, and then the day after that you can put makeup on, so then you can pretty well hide it. And then for the next few days you have some skin shedding and a little bit of tightening, and then about a week after your micro needling. Glorious, glorious, gorgeous skin.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know there's a new one though. Have you tried the wolf man facial. That's where they just shave your head and glue it your face. That's like the new thing. It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I do that. I'll do that. I'll do it. Yeo. So that's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I loved it so much. I'm about ready to do it a second time. Because when you first do them, they said the most effective thing is to do two of them within six weeks of each other, and then if you want to maintain it, you really only need to do it about once a year.

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Speaker 2: Are are doctors involved? Like, do you have to be a medical doctor? Trish is going to help you out? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: The dermatologist that is that is doing it has a degree in that, but they're not like mds.

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Speaker 5: But speaking of mds, if you want to read an amazing story based on what you're talking about, the man who invented the of the separating of the blood into plasma is a doctor named doctor Charles Drew.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the He started it was an African American man.

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Speaker 5: Back in the thirties, and his story is absolutely unbelievable really, just how he worked in the war and started a college just for African American doctors.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was.

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Speaker 5: It's a really stunning story this man. So yeah, go check out the story of doctor Charles Drew. Sorry, just a little history in interjection, because I have very little to say about vampire needling and you might like to be involved in the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a news article that three people got HIV from it.

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Speaker 3: Where did you? Where is this news article?

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Speaker 2: It's on New York Times right now, I have I send it to me. Where were the people? Where did it happen? It was an unlicensed bawn, New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, mine's in the back of a seven eleven. So I feel fine, right, fine, I feel good. Seven eleven is everywhere it is. They have a very serious reputation, and I do. I have told you the story about food at seven Eleven's right.

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Speaker 2: No about how awesome it is.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is pretty good.

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Speaker 1: And so I used to eat egg salad sandwiches there, and I would and they're delicious.

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Speaker 5: You'd get an egg salad sandwich from seven eleven really, well.

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Speaker 2: They're so good.

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Speaker 1: Have you never had one. No, Oh my gosh, they're so good. So one time they're so good. They're some of the best. You just put a little bit of sir. Oh, well, they're great. So one time Jensen and I were in a seven eleven and the guy was there changing out the food, you know, like bringing in the new food and know what we had. I end up having a conversation with them, and I was like, you know, happy to see you here changing out the.

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Speaker 3: Food because some people have acted like it's crazy for me to be eating out of a seven eleven.

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Speaker 1: And he said, oh no, the regulations we have about maintaining the freshness of the food here is way more than anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: You're far safe for eating.

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Speaker 1: Seven eleven food than you are like almost anywhere else. Like we have to we have very strict regulations. We have to change these out every few hours.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, use so many preservatives. You're basically eating plastic. You're eating plastic with a little bit of sarratcha. It's delicious.

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Speaker 5: I just have this vision of Danielle turning around and seeing a customer. Her face is covered in caked on blood as she's slowly eating an egg salad sandwiches.

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Speaker 2: In my true form exactly.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, just peeling back the curtain a little bit on my life. Writer, Please send me the HIV article. I am interested to learn.

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Speaker 2: The last line of the article is the biggest takeaway is that licensing is super important. Yes, yes, that of course is.

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Speaker 1: And my my place that I go to has all the licenses.

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Speaker 3: Right when, like readily available for you to see on the.

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Speaker 2: Graduator from their online course.

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Speaker 5: They also Upstairs College, Upstairs College. They you know, I'm a I'm a graduate.

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Speaker 2: We're good.

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Speaker 3: No, that is true.

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Speaker 1: One of my best friends is dating a plastic surgeon, and he said that some of those things, like especially in plastic surgery, you can be a dentist and then go to a weekend course or that course and start start performing plastic surgery.

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Speaker 2: I a dentists who started doing bottox for his wife and all his wife's friends because he could get license in a weekend or whatever. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And then you just need need the hours to practice, which you know everyone needs to start somewhere.

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Speaker 3: I mean you have to.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to be the guinea pig for that, but if you are learning how.

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Speaker 3: To do it. You're going to have to practice somewhere.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, still a bunch of needles on your face, then your face covered in blood?

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Speaker 3: Uh seven eleven exactly?

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Speaker 5: Well, no, I was going to say that between that and a plastic surgeon only taking a weekend course and then being a plastic, the scariest thing to me about this entire conversation is still the egg salad sandwich from seven That's still the thing that throws me the most.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you, of all people, should be on board with this with me. I feel a little offended that I.

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Speaker 2: Have and I've said, baby, and you've said, You've.

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Speaker 3: Said absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 5: Sanch underneath this, it's got in seven eleven excelled sandwich waiting to be eaten.

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Speaker 1: I feel I feel personally attacked that Will is not I would not, and still he still loves me, and he you know.

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Speaker 2: Stick, I get all that egg salad. It's so good. Will do you like egg salad?

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Speaker 5: I love egg sound? Who makes the best egg salad in the planet? Egg salad tune a fish combination? We never even had that? Please in might be over for lunch when Sue makes that. But also, let's go to seven eleven later. What are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'll totally do it. I absolutely will do that micro needling and egg salad. I'm in. Welcome to Pond Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel. I'm right or strong Will Ferdell.

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Speaker 1: When we recently interviewed Hillary Tuck for the podcast, a movie was mentioned that continues to come up here on Pod meets World over and over, and we quickly reali none of us hosts had seen it. The film has one of those folklore like reputations where some of the coolest kid actors got to spend weeks together for a movie about a ragtag summer camp, and at the same time they filmed in an almost real ragtag summer camp, and so the gauntlet was thrown.

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Speaker 3: We would watch the.

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Speaker 1: Movie Camp Nowhere, currently available for you to watch as well on Disney Plus with one of its stars and one of our favorite people. And so now someone you should never trust when it comes to skinny dipping, Hillary Tuck.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hillary, nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us and letting us talk about your past work.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, thanks so much for having me back.

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Speaker 1: But also this movie is really good, so it's actually not that hard to look back and talk about it.

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Speaker 3: What did you think watching it now as an adult?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 6: I had It's interesting because I had watched it as I'd watched it about eight months ago with my kids, and then in anticipation.

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Speaker 4: Of this, I watched it again.

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Speaker 6: Yesterday by myself and those were two different.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how old are your kids again?

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Speaker 4: They are almost ten and seven?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 6: And my son Jasper, who is almost ten, he will be going away for his third year.

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Speaker 4: Of summer camp.

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Speaker 2: So kind of camp.

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Speaker 6: It's an old boys summer camp. So he he goes starting when he was eight years old. He just turned eight and he he left for two months for summer camp.

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Speaker 5: Do you know for sure the camp that he's going to.

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Speaker 2: Is there a parents' day?

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Speaker 4: It's a fair question.

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Speaker 6: I do know, only because my husband went to the same case camp and my father in law went to the same camp.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, tradition, yes.

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Speaker 6: And the in order to get him there because I didn't grow up in summer camp. So the idea of sending my child away for two months to the furthest place you can be in America from me, where is it. It's in Maine.

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Speaker 5: Wow, oh it's got to be. It's but those are the camps I grew up with, and they are the best.

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Speaker 6: Yes, So if you went to East Coast summer camp, it's a it's you know, it's like this culture.

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Speaker 2: Ye, it is the best thing. It is.

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Speaker 5: It is canoeing, it is learning how to build fires. It is the greatest thing ever. It's yeah, it's.

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Speaker 6: Awesome and it's and it and it's really I think growing up what I see it is when you're growing up with trying to raise children in a really urban environment where you kind of I have to be a bit of a helicopter parent just to make it work. Like you know, I grew up in a small town in Texas. My mom like opened the door and she was like be back by dark, and that.

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Speaker 4: Was the only rule. That's not possible. So it's kind of a way.

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Speaker 6: I see it as like a kind of a way to learn autonomy and sort of survival skills in a safe and sort of safe environment.

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Speaker 4: We hope safe environment, so yes, But.

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Speaker 6: The only way I was when they said go away for eight weeks, I'm like, you're out of your mind, right, there's no way. But what we did was my husband, who is a history teacher, but he also teaches tennis. We came up for a week. He taught tennis to the boys. I taught acting for the boys. So I sort of got a.

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Speaker 3: I was able to art it.

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Speaker 4: I was able to be there for a little bit of it.

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Speaker 2: So that's cool.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, but he loves it. It is a huge part of who he is.

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Speaker 5: Well, especially at that age. Camp represented a second life, so well set.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're reviewing this at the perfect time, and I figured we could start with a pretty incredible review I found online. This is from Movie Guide, a family guide to movies and entertainment. Parents beware of this Animal House for teens. Extremely dangerous ideas and images exist in Camp nowhere, and due to its seemingly harmless PG rating, this movie may wind up in the hands of unsuspecting.

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Speaker 3: Neighbors or babysitters.

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Speaker 1: With foul language, sexual innuendo, use of pornography by children, adults buying beer for children, strong pagan o overtones, and a theme that suggests no consequences for illegal actions.

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Speaker 3: This is a movie that should be seen nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Wow Man. In all fairness, a lot of that isn't wrong. It's not a bad thing, but a lot of it isn't wrong. Yeah, But I actually I was surprised how sweet the movie was, Like it's so not an edgy film to me, you know, to its detriment. I was like, oh, it's gonna get like crazy, and then I was.

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Speaker 5: Like, oh no, it's actually pretty Yeah. Like the kid buying the beer, I thought buying the beer the same thing. I was like, Oh, now we're going kind of a different way where they're buying alcohol.

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Speaker 2: For the kids. I know, I kept wait.

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Speaker 1: I did keep waiting for that to be like you think I was gonna let you keep the beer, and that he ended up taking.

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Speaker 3: It, but we never actually see what he needs to the beer.

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Speaker 2: But he's just buying the beer to protect the kid from getting arrested. I know, but it right then did he get to keep it?

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Speaker 5: He should have said something like beer, what do you can't again, it's Monday morning quarterbacking the kid's movie.

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Speaker 2: We're supposed to.

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Speaker 1: Be there, no problem with him stepping in and not getting the kid in trouble and just buying the beer. But then I expected there to be a joke of like something, oh, thanks.

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Speaker 3: For the bear, you know, like something.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we get into details, were already jumping in. I want to know what will And Danielle, what your what you thought this movie was versus what it was like? What you know? What your expectations were going in? Because I was completely blown away based on my perception of this movie before I went into it. Where were you guys?

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Speaker 1: I think it's exactly what I thought it was going to be, except I expect. I did expect there to be more consequences. I thought it was probably I know, and that is the I guess in agreement with.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of the review.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that is that I thought it was going to be a movie about kids who somehow are able to pull off going to camp with all their friends without their parents knowing, and then of course they will get caught and there but there will. I did think there would be some emotional you know, there'd be lessons learned, and then there would be consequences. And that's all I thought the movie was going to be. It was just like a friend, and it kind of was, with the exception of there.

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Speaker 2: Were no no consequence. I was not ready for the paganism. Yeah, so much. I was not ready for it ure to be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: As I'm watching it, I realized this movie was so good for what it did that it was completely and totally ripped off.

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Speaker 2: So I've seen this movie before. It was Justin Laan's accepted.

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Speaker 5: This movie was exactly accepted, which doesn't even have never heard of it. Justin So Justin Long, the Justin Long movie accepted. It's Justin Long.

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Speaker 2: H Lewis Black.

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Speaker 5: So Justin Long doesn't get into college, so he invents a fake college. Then all these other people come to. He goes and gets Lewis Black, the old drunken teacher, to come and pretend to be the teacher. I mean, it's like it was one thing. So somebody saw camp nowhere and when I'm writing accepted, I mean when the same movie way later than this movie, really late nineties, early two thousands, I mean later, but it is almost beat for beats. Sometimes I was like, oh, this is oh accepted, just ripped this movie off. So I had seen this movie without knowing that I'd seen this movie. But first of all, the kids are adorable, the acting's good, Christopher Lloyd Tom Wilson.

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Speaker 2: The budget looked amazing. So it was.

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Speaker 5: But I'm like Danielle, and it was exactly what I thought, minus at the scene where there were no consequences whatsoever for their actions, like none.

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Speaker 3: Did you think it was?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess I thought, I get in my mind, I mean, I think we should because Hillary probably doesn't know that. We've watched two other movies on this podcast sometimes one that I was in, which was a summer camp movie called Summertime Switch was a TV movie that I did, which was not good. And then we watched Munchie two She Strikes Back because Natanya Ross, who was on our show, was in it and we were like, what is this mounchy movie which had a puppet, like you know, they were scrappy little movies and so and I don't know why in my mind I thought Camp Nowhere was like I think I got it confused with Salute your Shorts. Like I thought it was like this like kind of cheap, little like scrappy movie. This is a big studio film. This is like, you know, it's a movie they had it was like aiming for home alone style, like it was like a big you know. And we brought brought this up with munchies, Like this is so clearly the era of like three Ninja's Home Alone, where like the kids get all the power and money and get to like run wild, and that was the whole like let's you know, and they there were so many successful examples of that before, you know, and then they put a lot of money into this movie. So I couldn't believe how slick it was, how glossy it looked. I thought it looked amazing, and so I was just blown away. I was like, Oh, this is like and then Andrew Keekan is like the star of this movie. I had no idea in my mind like Andrew because we talked about when he was on the show. I think, will you brought it up that he was like this teen heartthrob and all the magazines but kind of never had a show. And I was like, yeah, but if you had seen this movie, Andrew was a movie star. And I never knew that, Like I just never. I was like, Oh, Andrew Keegan's popularity makes so much sense because he's like the heart of this whole movie. And that was just amazing to me that I was like Andrewson every scene. I didn't know that I thought it was like an.

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Speaker 5: Ensemble was really really, really good. All the kids were really good.

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Speaker 3: Writer, the budget did surprise me. I had no right shock.

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Speaker 2: It shocked me.

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Speaker 3: And as someone who's directed a movie and writer can say the same thing, how did they do it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? A lot of it was forty kids. Forty kids. I mean, even with the money you guys had, this must have been a nightmare for your production team. There's no way this was easy.

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Speaker 6: It couldn't have been easy. I mean, it's so I love. I love hearing that. The the perception is that the acting was really good and it was so slick because of course I look at it.

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Speaker 4: From my.

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Speaker 6: Critical eye and I think, I mean, it was like personally, it was my second job. So like I'm watching it and I see my first time you see me, and I'm like, oh there, I am looking for my mark like I can of course, of course, of course, and like I think it's so interesting. I mean, I saw as I'm watching these kids too, many of them it was their first job, and so I can see there's these scenes where I'm like, wow, that was way overacted and really and then there's other scenes where I'm like, oh, yeah, I see them sort of finding themselves and that felt grounded and but I love but obviously I'm going to be the worst critic because of course, well we love hearing that it.

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Speaker 1: We will help bring you back to a to a more reasonable place, because you know, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Ready, I'm going to rip it apart, but I'm joking apart. But here's the other thing though. Here's the other thing though.

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Speaker 5: So and I'm going to give a shout out to my other podcast, because I do another podcast called Magical Rewind where all we do is we watch Disney Channel original movies. And one of the things you have to do is you have to try to watch the movie as if you're a kid. You have to try to watch it for what the movie was intended to be. Because if you're sitting there as a forty five year old filmmaker, then watching camp nowhere is different than if you're twelve and you had got to go to the theater or you ran home from school, and so it really is two completely different things. So you really have to put yourself in the eyes of the body of a twelve year old and say I'm going to sit here and watch this movie like that.

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Speaker 2: It really does make a difference when you do that.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely well that you spoke so well, because my experience watching it with my kids was fun.

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Speaker 4: It was very different.

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Speaker 6: I was they were loving it, and so I was loving it, and I was excited for them to see the next scene and like, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, they yeah, I'm bummed, Indian and watch this with me. I couldn't get him to watch it with me because I think he would really enjoy it. But yeah, and I'll tell him to watch it now. But yeah, whenever I recommend something, he doesn't do it. Let's that's amazing. I am Indy. Oh my god, you're right, I am raising wilfordill Is. It boggles my mind. I cannot believe how often that that has struck me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's jump into the real synopsis. Morris mud Himmel spends every summer at computer camp, but he hates it. So Mud and his friends devise a plan to finally have a fun summer by bribing an ex teacher to help create a fake camp where the kids can run them up all as well until their parents want to come for a visit. The movie was released August twenty fourth, nineteen ninety four, in theaters under Disney's Hollywood Pictures, marking it as its first family film, depending on what you let your family watch. I guess for those people who wrote that industry, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's so interesting because I remember Disney had all these different divisions, right, So the fact that this was a Disney production but then didn't get the Disney right, like it's a Hollywood picture. I remember Hollywood Pictures was like, you know, and then eventually they bought Mirrormax. So Disney was doing a bunch of different things. That's interesting that they chose to not release this under the Disney banner, but under that Hollywood film.

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Speaker 5: Was Touchtone and Buena Vista. Were those only TV?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were, okay, Touchtone maybe not.

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Speaker 2: Touch Stone was yeah, that's a good question. Those were all Disney companies, right, They were all like little shell companies for Disney to like our labels, I guess you'd call them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it was then released on VHS in June the following year. It was originally supposed to be a Disney movie, but once the studio saw the subject matter, they punted it to the different.

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Speaker 2: More mature division. There it is.

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Speaker 1: Coming in at ninety six minutes. It ended up grossing ten million, four hundred and seventy one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Budget of what is there a budget there? I bet you was twenty million. You think no, it wasn't listed.

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Speaker 5: Trojan War, which was a big movie, only was only twelve and that was around the same time like ninety.

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Speaker 2: Seven Jensen, this was twenty million. I was going to say ten Do you have no idea? Hillary? Huh, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean I do remember.

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Speaker 6: I remember, like now that you talk about punting it to Hollywood Films, Hollywood Pictures or whatever. I remember the punt like I remember it was definitely when we were auditioning and in there was a lot of buzz and height and it felt big. And then I remember that our premiere was at the lot and it was I mean, there was basically no premiere. It was basically all the kids showed up and we watched the theater.

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Speaker 4: We watched it in the theater at the studio.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So I feel that punt. I feel it feels like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it got downgraded. I think that they said it was going to be this big like Disney's Home Alone. Nowhere Disney's Home Alone, you know, and then they were like, Uh, okay, let's you know, you know, I guess because of the subject matter or whatever, but or internal politics that we don't know about, right Yeah. I mean I think making ten million at the box office, I mean, nowadays that'd be huge, but I think for this movie that was not a big probably not. I agree, And I think this movie lived on home video, right, I mean, that's where it found its audience.

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Speaker 6: And that's where it found like the real following, because there's definitely there's definitely.

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Speaker 4: A following for that.

00:27:06
Speaker 6: I'd be interested to ask Jonathan Jackson the director, I mean Jonathan Prince the director.

00:27:09
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say.

00:27:11
Speaker 1: Directed by Jonathan Prince, an established writer director with some fun credits, including the script for eighteen Again, which was the George Burns body switch film from nineteen eighty eight. He helped create the Sweet Valley High TV show, as well as American Dreams and American Soul. It was written by Andrew Kurtzman and Elliott Walld, a duo that wrote for SNL in the eighties and also wrote the Richard Pryor Gene Wilder movie See No Evil Here No Evil, as well as the nineteen ninety six Kelsey Grammar comedy Down Periscope.

00:27:41
Speaker 2: Okay, all right.

00:27:42
Speaker 1: So it stars Christopher Lloyd as Dennis van Welker, which I never knew.

00:27:46
Speaker 2: By the way Christopher Lloyd showed up, I was like, oh my god, true legend, legend. It works hard in this movie. He does working.

00:28:02
Speaker 6: Day.

00:28:02
Speaker 2: So here's my take. I was like, oh, this is this is the studio and Chris Lloyd kind of having uh, can we make Chris Lloyd Jim Carrey moment? Yes, right, Like they were like, you know this this this carry guy, which because acevan Ury passed Pet Detective would already come out and been a huge hit. And I feel like they were like, well, Lloyd could do this, right, and he was probably like I could do this, and he's acting his asshole.

00:28:28
Speaker 5: I mean Christopher Lloyd, I mean well before Jim Carrey was Kramer or Jim Carrey on taxis, right, I mean that was the character that he did, was this crazy, wacky, amazing carry.

00:28:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's like, I mean, the pitch is so good, right, any version of this pitch is it's like the ultimate studio package pitch. You know. It's like when we need a wacky grown up who's the guy who's going to play the like the drunk failed whatever. Let's get him in there. And you know, you had your options and Chris Lloyd is huge. That's a huge get and like you could see this and be like, oh, yeah, Chris Lloyd's gonna have like a big leading man comedy, like a big funny man leading moment, and it kind of didn't happen.

00:29:09
Speaker 1: Right, Like, yeah, Well, by this point in his career, he was doctor Emmett Brown in the Back to the Future movies, Judge Doom and Roger Rabbit, Professor Plumb and Clue, Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Taxi, and Uncle Fester and Adams Family.

00:29:25
Speaker 2: So he was massive. Yep.

00:29:28
Speaker 3: Do you what do you remember about working with him? Hillary?

00:29:34
Speaker 4: I remember he didn't like kids, right.

00:29:40
Speaker 2: That makes sense that.

00:29:43
Speaker 4: Really it was it was he.

00:29:46
Speaker 6: I know, he had like he had an assistant slash handler who like in between every take if there I can't I don't know what. Obviously he had a lot of scenes with just him and Jonathan, but as far as when it was all a group of us, like in between every take he was being taken out, Yeah, Like there was sitting around and.

00:30:15
Speaker 4: To be honest, I don't.

00:30:17
Speaker 6: I love children, and I don't know how I would feel about we were lunatics. Of course, it was twenty kids on set. I was one of the oldest and I was fifteen.

00:30:31
Speaker 2: Oh it was like twenty kid actors.

00:30:34
Speaker 5: By the way, that kind of energy around. I mean, man, that.

00:30:38
Speaker 3: Theater kid energy must have been through the rooms.

00:30:41
Speaker 6: Yes, so I remember that about him.

00:30:46
Speaker 4: I also remember he rolled his own cigarettes.

00:30:51
Speaker 2: Oh it was your strong style.

00:30:54
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, very cool in him, and.

00:30:59
Speaker 4: That at most of what I remember him.

00:31:02
Speaker 6: I just remember him being very very hands off, and that the the production sort of you know, they treated him as the number one and the rest of us, right, you know what I'm saying.

00:31:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's right. I remember.

00:31:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he had to protect that boundary. I think, you know. I mean it kind of makes sense. It's a bummer that he but so much work. He's in every scene. He has to carry so many different tones, like he has to have like a love story, and then he has to you know, be the goofy actor guy who's completely different character in all these different scenes. And yeah, I can imagine him just being protective of his energy and his time and being like no, no, I'm going back to my trailer, and I do not want to be like actually a camp counselor on this set.

00:31:49
Speaker 5: Well, we love Bill Daniels like a family member. He wasn't hanging out with us in the town scenes. He was going to his dressing rooms, like all right, love you bye.

00:31:57
Speaker 1: All right, let's get their energy. I gets through the rest of our cast.

00:32:01
Speaker 3: Here, we've got Jonathan Jackson.

00:32:04
Speaker 1: Will never I mean I still have a page and a half of just naming the cast, so we'll never get to it. Jonathan Jackson as Morris mud Himmel, his first ever job. He would later appear in two episodes of Boy Meets World, almost four hundred episodes of General Hospital, the Christopher Nolan movie Insomnia, and he was one of the stars of the TV show Nashville.

00:32:25
Speaker 2: This was his first movie. Was great, He was great, He's amazing. I think it's so funny because I had in my mind that he was a great actor, like and I guess maybe I just knew that from like hearing about this.

00:32:39
Speaker 1: Movie, or he had he won emmys. He won Emmys for General Hospital. So but this was his first ever job. And then and then later when.

00:32:46
Speaker 2: I've never seen him in anything other than when he came on our show, and I remember he was great on our show, like he was so natural. But watching this, I'm like, oh my god. Like, especially in the scenes where it's just him and Chris Lloyd where they're kind of like stressed out and like working together, was like, that's that's a real actor. Like going toe to toe with Chris Lloyd, who has like an improvy vibe to it. It was just great. I was like, that's he's so solid, solid, so good.

00:33:10
Speaker 3: And then there's Andrew Keegan as Zach Dell.

00:33:12
Speaker 1: We know him well and have waxed poetic about this cool guy's career, so no need to do it again. And then Marnette Patterson as Trisha Prescott. You might recognize her from the movie American Sniper or.

00:33:24
Speaker 3: Boy Meets World. She was in season two's Turnaround No.

00:33:27
Speaker 4: Way, Yes.

00:33:30
Speaker 2: Didn't she go by Marnie back then? Barnie Yeah, Marnie Yeah. When I saw her, I was like, oh, yeah, I know her. And then I was like, wait, Marnette, and I was like, oh, it's Marne which ones Turnaround.

00:33:42
Speaker 1: The Dan Yeah, Natania Ross okay yeah. And then there's Peter Scalari as Donald Himmel, another legend, best known as the guy who Isn't Tom Hanks in Bosom Buddies. But you might also know him from That Thing You Do or Girls. He also played the Dad and Honey I Shrunk the Kids TV show alongside Hillary here yep, oh wow. He unfortunately passed away in twenty twenty one from leukemia.

00:34:06
Speaker 2: He was a phenomenal actor. Oh yeah.

00:34:09
Speaker 5: I mean you go back, especially sitcom wise, you go back and you watch Bus and Buddies. He's not only throwing with Tom Hanks, but at a lot of times stealing the scenes. I mean they were best friends for years and years and years. This is why he was in all the Tom Hanks and stuff. But he's one of those underrated comedic actors where he was just really good.

00:34:25
Speaker 2: So, Hillary, did you get to work with him at all during this movie? You didn't, right, I was.

00:34:30
Speaker 4: Around him in this movie, like in big scenes.

00:34:34
Speaker 2: Right, like at the end, so when you have the parents day and all that.

00:34:37
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I knew of him and I remember, I mean we talked about this last time I was on Like the thing about Peter. One of his many wonderful qualities was he was just the classiest. He was just so classical of that and really taught me how to be on set. And so when I booked Honey, we were having our like first meeting. We'd all arrived in Canada, and I remember thinking like, is he's not going to remember me?

00:35:06
Speaker 4: Is it going to be awkward? Whatever? And he walks in. He goes, Hillary Tuck, Oh my gosh, you.

00:35:13
Speaker 6: Are just as lovely and beautiful as when I saw you on camp nowhere, like just and for me as a whatever, seventeen year old, my first series, all those things, just to have that sort.

00:35:26
Speaker 2: Of welcome, yeah, it was just it's great, like this.

00:35:30
Speaker 6: Is before IMDb. He doesn't know and he was just classy, yeah, which is which is my posm of who he was for sure.

00:35:39
Speaker 1: And then Tom Wilson plays Lieutenant Hendrix, known to all as Biff Tanner from the Back to the Future movies, in a bit of a reunion here with Christopher Lloyd. But it's even deeper than you'd think. Christopher Lloyd, who didn't love the script, originally allegedly said he'd only do the movie if they cast his friend in this.

00:36:00
Speaker 2: And I was wondering why they did that because it is kind of weird. The second they showed up on screen together, I was like, wait, wait, what are we Is this a director? And then they don't reference it at all? And I do that kind of stuff.

00:36:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too, And he was great in it.

00:36:15
Speaker 6: I was just sad they cast him in it because there's a couple of moments was like, oh, that's funny.

00:36:20
Speaker 1: David Graff, who was Officer Tackleberry in the Police Academy movies, was originally offered the part. So and then we have m Emmett Walsh as t R. Polk, another legend who recently passed in March. He was in classic movies like Blood, Simple, Blade Runner, The Jerk, and Knives Out. Kate Mulgrew as Rachel Prescott, best known as Captain Catherine Janeway from Star Trek Voyager, the first female captain ever.

00:36:47
Speaker 3: Yep, Will's nodding his head.

00:36:49
Speaker 2: He of course I am, it's Jane. But people swear that that's like one of the best Star Treks ever.

00:36:54
Speaker 5: It absolutely is, and she kills it as the captain kills it.

00:36:58
Speaker 1: Burgess Meredith as Fan This is a surprise cameo A legendary actor who played the penguin in the original Batman TV series of the sixties and trainer Mickey Goldmill in the Rocky Movies, but he is now best known, probably as the man who has time enough at last and some glasses in the classic Twilight Zone episode about the end of the world.

00:37:19
Speaker 3: Do you know that episode?

00:37:19
Speaker 6: Writer?

00:37:20
Speaker 2: No? No? Oh, wow, you'd love it.

00:37:22
Speaker 5: Oh, you would love it. It's that he's in the library. I'll buy himself. Still He'll always be he watched the Murder you rock He'll always be Rock.

00:37:45
Speaker 6: I remember whom we shot that scene, and I maybe because I was older, I don't know, but I had seen Rocky, so he was.

00:37:54
Speaker 4: A big deal to me.

00:37:55
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, And the rest of the cast other than me and and Devin Oatway, we were the ones who knew him and no one else did. And I remember like being very nervous in that scene and kids like messing around and how it was just like gotch I'm so Meredith, guys accordingly so funny.

00:38:22
Speaker 3: Heather Deloche as Eileen. She was the iconic bee girl in the Blind Melon video for No Rain, which in the nineties was maybe as famous as you could possibly get yes, and then Jessica Alba as Gail. She was originally cast as an extra with no lines, but had to fill in as a principal, and that is.

00:38:40
Speaker 1: Her first credit ever. She would go on to play Sue Storm in the Fantastic Four movies Nancy in Sin City and the lead in Dark Angel, which she got a Golden Globe nomination for. And now she has the Baby care and Household Goods Empire, the Honest Company, recently valued at one billion by Forbes.

00:38:59
Speaker 4: Magaze, you gad, she didn't make anything of her.

00:39:02
Speaker 5: She wasn't even Jessica Alba. She was Jessica Maria could have done.

00:39:11
Speaker 1: And last but not least, Hillary Tuck as Betty Stoleer, another Boy Meets World alum, also known for The Honey I Shrunk, The Kids TV show Roseanne, and Hangtime.

00:39:24
Speaker 3: So let's jump, I mean.

00:39:26
Speaker 2: Huge, huge, You haven't even started the movie yet.

00:39:29
Speaker 3: Nope, just had to go through all those now.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: The movie opens with some perfect nineties credits, just almost toying with the wing dings font of it.

00:39:39
Speaker 2: Did you notice that?

00:39:40
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, there's some wing dings in here?

00:39:44
Speaker 1: Or how Taylor Swift hides uh messages in song titles and on Disney Plus we got a nicotine warning? Does anyone did anyone notice any nicotine in the movie? I kept waiting for there to be some sort of smoking some thing and didn't notice.

00:40:02
Speaker 2: Where will tell us? It's literally just this.

00:40:06
Speaker 5: The husband is smoking a cigar when she goes over and says, we're going to the camp.

00:40:10
Speaker 2: You're right, that's all it is.

00:40:12
Speaker 3: You are one hundred.

00:40:14
Speaker 2: I forgot the cigar. Yep, that's all it takes.

00:40:17
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Okay.

00:40:19
Speaker 1: And then we meet young Morris mud Himmel who is being pitched a summer computer camp with his family at home. Is this how you found out about camps before the Internet?

00:40:29
Speaker 2: Did you come to your house and pitched you camp? Really?

00:40:33
Speaker 4: Yes?

00:40:33
Speaker 6: I only know this because my because of Camp Wigwam and this lineage that it's been now three generations, and myt the camp director of WIGWAM, would used to fly out to Los Angeles and stay at alumni houses, including my my father in law, in laws, and they.

00:41:02
Speaker 4: Would then like recruit like a salesman, yeah.

00:41:06
Speaker 6: Or like colleges living rooms and have a pitch man.

00:41:10
Speaker 2: That's a fun job. Can you imagine that job?

00:41:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's real. That is That is how they do tell me.

00:41:15
Speaker 5: That is not a Christopher Guest mockumentary. I know about camp. You know, can't pitching and everything.

00:41:22
Speaker 2: It's always set up for exactly what happens.

00:41:24
Speaker 6: You know.

00:41:24
Speaker 2: Then when Chris Lloyd has to pitch all the different camps, you're like, well, that's why you make this movie such a great set of scenes, Like you just a montage built in.

00:41:34
Speaker 5: Kevin Bacon goes and pitches Sean Aston's family in Whitewater summer.

00:41:38
Speaker 2: That's this. It's the same thing there, right, Yeah, you go and you pitch. Wow. Interesting, Let's bring it back.

00:41:44
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

00:41:44
Speaker 2: Should there should be a summer camp that you can't find any information about it online. It's really exclusive. It's yes, hipster summer.

00:41:52
Speaker 1: That should honestly, that should be what new travel that's the new version of travel Agents is Like, listen, I want to go on a vacation. Here are some things I'm saying, gang Like, I just texted writer recently and said, I want to go somewhere just just Jensen and I. Here's the things. I want stars, some nature, but also bougie. I want five star hotel and good food. What should I do if I if I could pay a travel agent to like come to my house and then do a demonstration of the different options, And then I'm.

00:42:17
Speaker 5: Jo by the way, Iceland is the answer to that, Daniel, can I have three days?

00:42:25
Speaker 2: Got you?

00:42:25
Speaker 6: Got you?

00:42:25
Speaker 2: Not Iceland? Forget.

00:42:27
Speaker 1: So then we get a very early fourth wall break when Mud, who is so bummed to be going to dork camp, looks at the camera and says, I'm in hell shoot me not your parents, kid movie, here's.

00:42:40
Speaker 2: A couple looking at the camera moment.

00:42:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do need to be.

00:42:46
Speaker 5: It's kind of fun, though, it's that fun kid breaking.

00:42:48
Speaker 2: The fourth wall. Yeah, yeah, I mean even before I found it interesting that the movie starts with the like, you know, the the video first and then does this like dramatic pullback. And that's where I was like, Oh, this movie's this is a movie, you know, because I thought it was gonna look like the video, do you know what I mean? Like that's kind of what in my mind was like, can't nowhere was the scrape because that's what Summertimes Switch looked like. That's what I was imagining. And then I was like, oh, this is big and it's a good move. I mean, it's sort of it sets you up for like, oh, this is, you know, a bigger world, a slicker world. We have actual camera gear. It's gonna, you know, be a real movie. And I was totally on it. I was like, oh, we're in for it. And then I thought the DP was incredible, so good, so good. Every the lighting in this movie. It's such a nitpicky point, but I was like struck time and time again by how good the lighting was.

00:43:41
Speaker 3: I thought the exact same thing.

00:43:43
Speaker 2: I really you know.

00:43:43
Speaker 1: What I really noticed it too, is in some of the scenes with the love interest and Christopher Lloyd and Jonathan Jackson in.

00:43:50
Speaker 2: The beautiful or Andrew Keegan scenes in the in the garage so well. I mean, and you know, this is a hard movie because you're dealing with so many characters, and yeah, it's it's but also some of the exteriors too, like near the end when Mud is approached by the love interest, and like on the log I was just struck by how it's so well lit and friends, pretty beautiful movie.

00:44:17
Speaker 1: So this is the first of three wall breaks that we'll have in the movie. And it appears MUD's friends, which includes his leather jacket wearing school bully Zach all have camps they don't want to attend. Zach who pretends to flush MUD's head in a toilet but really depends on him for homework.

00:44:33
Speaker 2: And I'm a great twist.

00:44:35
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that, literally twist.

00:44:42
Speaker 3: I thought it was really great.

00:44:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, so clever and so cool, and like it was funny because I watch it, I was like, that's awesome, and then I started thinking, like, that's more clever than bullies nowadays, and TV shows and movies are so straightforward. This is such a nuanced relationship and I really love it. Just makes you fall in love with both of them, like I'm on board with these kids.

00:45:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, agree with Yeah.

00:45:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. So he is being sent off to military boarding school. The cool girl Trish, who appears to be she looks ten years older.

00:45:16
Speaker 2: When we saw her.

00:45:17
Speaker 1: Walking down the on the sidewalk, I was like, who's the twenty seven.

00:45:19
Speaker 2: Year old.

00:45:21
Speaker 5: Here's the teacher. The teachers arrived now thankfully, I.

00:45:24
Speaker 2: Know I was. It was.

00:45:25
Speaker 1: It was rather shocking, so I thought so too. Okay, she is off to camp Broadway for Young Actresses, and Gabby is going to a fact.

00:45:36
Speaker 2: Can't let's say it yeah, which is not? Which fly no?

00:45:41
Speaker 4: No.

00:45:41
Speaker 5: They also the fat jokes were one after another.

00:45:44
Speaker 2: In the one after another that was absolutely oh yeah, no, not not. She is not even slightly remotely close an interesting choice, Like, I mean, I guess that's kind of the point, right, is that like she shouldn't feel this way and that we're kind of on her side. But it's it is interesting to the conversation.

00:46:04
Speaker 5: With him where he says to her, well, you know, you'll lose some weight in some and you'll fill out. It's like so Eve. He even pointed out to her, quote unquote, that she was annoyed.

00:46:15
Speaker 1: I would you think we were supposed to buy agreed she was over weight?

00:46:21
Speaker 4: A fat suit?

00:46:23
Speaker 6: She was?

00:46:24
Speaker 2: She was, yes, I'm sorry, what whoa through she's wearing a fat suit?

00:46:31
Speaker 6: I don't understand is the first half that she had three I know she had no There are scenes for she has no fat suit. There are scenes where she has like a middle fat suit, and then there's scenes where she has a fat suit.

00:46:45
Speaker 2: So the idea is that when her mom shows up, she was actually supposed to be dinner. I couldn't tell any difference.

00:46:50
Speaker 1: I did think they're dressing her in clothes to try and make it appear as though she could be thinking under them. Yeah, I did think they tried with wardrobe. I had no idea she was wearing a fat suit.

00:47:06
Speaker 2: That's nuts.

00:47:07
Speaker 1: She still looks so tiny. And there's a scene where she's like arriving at the camp and she's got shorts on and her little legs and so Anyway, I also truly cannot believe there were such things as fat camps for kids.

00:47:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there still kind of are. They're just like, yeah, there's they just call them something else, you know, the fitness health camp or whatever. But I mean you think about it, like for parents that that wanted, you know, they want their kid to lose weight and they're having this, I mean, what a a.

00:47:38
Speaker 5: Fitness But a fitness thing isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you've got a kid who's just sitting in front of a video game the entire time and you want to get outside.

00:47:46
Speaker 1: A loves athletic challenges, you show him somebody jumping from one thing to another thing and slinging wildly out o theres like I think I need to he might be scared then when he actually goes to do it, but he's he's going to be in for that.

00:47:58
Speaker 6: Yeah.

00:47:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I could see sending my kid to like an athletic camp or they're going to burn all this energy and have fun.

00:48:05
Speaker 3: But man, anyway, this is this is different.

00:48:07
Speaker 6: I mean she talks about it's clearly diet diet food. Yeah.

00:48:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again we can't watch it through the lens of twenty twenty four. And it'spect a movie to be you know, it was at the time that was that was talked about, and it was talked about in that way regularly.

00:48:24
Speaker 2: And there's a not bad ben Stiller movie that's very funny called Heavyweights and ben Stiller is incredible, and it's an early ben Stiller movie that's that he's the camp counselor at a fat camp and it's it's pretty good, and he's hysterical because he's like the kid who was heavy when he was younger, who went to fat camp, and now he's like psychotic health nut running a fat camp for kids. It's really funny.

00:48:47
Speaker 3: That actually sounds funny.

00:48:49
Speaker 2: No, this was a thing, and I still think it is a thing. It's just been rebranded, right, you know.

00:48:55
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, these four are in for a terrible summer. And then at the mall we meet MUD's very nerdy sweater wearing and great mustache having dad, played perfectly by Peter Scalari. They are at the mall and Mud continues to complain about being sent away to computer camp and all the other things he could do with three thousand dollars.

00:49:15
Speaker 2: Can we take a moment to talk about Jonathan Jackson's hair? Oh this is god.

00:49:20
Speaker 6: I really I didn't want to say it because I'm like, how honest can we be here?

00:49:25
Speaker 3: We can be as honest as we want.

00:49:27
Speaker 4: What's happening?

00:49:28
Speaker 2: Well, I was just it. It's a glorious evolution on the me That's the word I was looking for. It is a combination of the boy meets world popular middle part with a mullet. We think about that. I've never known such a thing existed in the wild, let alone in a movie where we have to look at it for so long. It is. It is such a bold choice. It was like party in the Front, but like nineties party in the Front, and then just late eighties, early nineties. Yeah, yeah, it's a muddle part. Oh what muddle it? A muddle lit. I've been thinking for a while, it's a you know what I think.

00:50:16
Speaker 1: What I think it is is that it's it's a party in the front and a party in the back.

00:50:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, every year, there's no business anywhere with this kid. But the two don't really go together. So depending on the camera angle, I would be like, wait, which little girl is that? Oh wait, no, that's that's Jonathan. And then from the front I'd be like, oh, yeah, this this this kind of works maybe, but if you saw the whole package from the side, it was shocking.

00:50:41
Speaker 6: It's just yeah, yeah, it's.

00:50:45
Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's a lot.

00:50:48
Speaker 1: So his dad wants him to fulfill his potential, and Mud just wants to see what's up with Shaye Cheese, a food court adjacent shop with a yelling salesman giving a.

00:50:58
Speaker 3: Loud spiel about his dairy goods.

00:51:00
Speaker 1: It's Christopher Lloyd doing the best Christopher Lloyd he can possibly do.

00:51:05
Speaker 2: Yep uh.

00:51:07
Speaker 1: And so the next day, at their lowest point but the best moment to introduce the movie's plot, Mud, Gabby, Zach and Trish have an idea. They are going to take the money their parents are spending on camps and rent their own camp. They love the idea they can pull a fast one on their parents and have the greatest time ever. But they need an adult to make it happen. And that's when Mud pitches the cheese Guy.

00:51:31
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the first plot point where because I have a I have a theory.

00:51:37
Speaker 3: Okay.

00:51:37
Speaker 2: I think the original draft for this script was that Mud was an actor, that Mud wanted to be an actor, and that because there's no reason that he is intrigued by the cheese guy. Why he's a computer geek is the idea, right, Like he wants to go to computer camp, but actually if.

00:51:56
Speaker 3: He likes well, he's kind of go to computer camp.

00:51:58
Speaker 2: He's supposed No, he's fastening by computers. He loves Cebee rohms, and he wants to go to the camp that his buddy's going to. He just can't afford it. So he's into computers. He's a geek, like he calls himself a geek. So, but I think the original draft of the script, because time and time again, all the major plot points are about him being a good actor keeping up with Chris Lloyd. So in the scene where they go he pretends to be a son. Then he pretends to be a son again, and then he gets him out of situation, and the two of them and why he's attracted to this guy pitching cheese would make so much more sense if he was like, I want to be a comedian, I want to be an actor, and I like this guy, and now I want to go to a camp where I could be with this guy. Would make so much more sense. So I think they wrote the script like that, and then they were like, no, no, no, can't just be a kid actor. That's too weird. And they've made this choice to like sort of probably make it more contemporary by making it, like put a kid's into these days computers. We'll just make him a computer kid. But it actually the plot keeps moving forward with him, not that computers don't play any part of the actual plot.

00:52:58
Speaker 5: But again, I don't think he wanted to be He hated the fact that he was a geek. That's why he was talking about like I'm a geek. Nobody likes it, and.

00:53:05
Speaker 1: He's talking about his potential and he's like, sure, I might be good at it, but I don't.

00:53:09
Speaker 2: Like I don't like it.

00:53:10
Speaker 4: I just want to be a kid. I want to.

00:53:13
Speaker 2: He's good at acting, he's good at improv he keeps saving the day by you know, and if he had been I don't know, it just makes more sense to him, wasn't Christopher.

00:53:21
Speaker 5: Christopher Lloyd was also an ex teacher at their school as a teacher, so that was the thing is I think they also know that. It's like it's an adult that can also be trusted with kids that they have some kind of a history with.

00:53:33
Speaker 1: And it explains why he's so good at being characters.

00:53:37
Speaker 3: He's a drama teacher, he's a theater guy.

00:53:40
Speaker 1: So yes, jumping back into the storyline, Christopher Lloyd was actually a drama teacher at their school who was fired for suggesting Silence of the Lambs as the school music.

00:53:49
Speaker 2: Great pitch, great musical.

00:53:52
Speaker 1: And just like that, the plan is set. And I loved how fast and clean we were into the movie. Yeah, like there, it's all set, the kids all they all. I feel like it just happened so quickly. I was like that and seamlessly. I was like, that's pretty darn good.

00:54:09
Speaker 5: Oh god, I'm already writing lyrics for the for the Silence of the Lamb songs.

00:54:13
Speaker 3: Sorry you share them as you come up here them.

00:54:15
Speaker 5: Please, Well, how about you know, I'll wear your face so I can't be seen. I'll eat your liver with Kanti and Farva Bean so that I mean, it's just they, just itself.

00:54:26
Speaker 2: You're in a ballad in a ballad.

00:54:33
Speaker 3: Dad, silence of the Lamb's musical.

00:54:39
Speaker 5: Let's go, Oh my God, I see you through the bars because you're my darling, You're the Southern my girl starling.

00:54:48
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many ways to do this.

00:54:50
Speaker 3: Listen, if we can get.

00:54:51
Speaker 2: Post an afternoon.

00:54:54
Speaker 5: Some tunes alone, do that.

00:54:57
Speaker 4: With that right now?

00:54:59
Speaker 3: He's really it's unbelievable. Just stick with us, Hillary, You'll be impressed.

00:55:03
Speaker 4: I'm on the train. I don't want to.

00:55:05
Speaker 2: Make at all.

00:55:18
Speaker 1: Okay, I actually have a question for you, Hillary, about you teach acting? So are you as impressed with everyone at this point in the movie the same way we are? Or are you where have been your hiccups?

00:55:31
Speaker 6: I think for me, I wish again this is watching it when I watched it this week, not with my kids, like I wish they would have let I thought it was so interesting what Will said about that They wanted him to be sort of a Jim Carrey and I totally see that, and I wish Monday Morning quarterbacking. I wish they would have let him just like when Chris Lloyd is the funniest is when he's coming at the comedy under not over, if that makes sense, and when he's like sitting back in it instead of like.

00:56:15
Speaker 4: And I think they.

00:56:16
Speaker 6: Were trying to let him be that, but I thought he was the funniest. I wish they would have let him do that, because the scenes where he is being big, purposely big, I find a little cringe worthy. And maybe it's because they thought that's what kids want, and kids do want that. But the scenes that I enjoyed the most and that I found the funniest were the ones where he was doing what I think is Chris Lloyd, which is like an underplayed quirk as opposed to this overt in your face quirk.

00:56:56
Speaker 4: Right.

00:56:57
Speaker 5: So it was also very charming when he was sitting with the doctor and it was the two of them kind of having the quiet moments.

00:57:03
Speaker 2: He's actually leading man qualities that I don't think have ever really been exploited like he was always he's always either the villain or the and this was his this was a stab at a leading role that could still be characters. It's a per you understand exactly why his agent and everybody was like, do this, do this, Chris, this will make you a movie star, like a real leading man. And he, you know, was going for it. And I think he's great. I you know, but I agree. I I want to hear more about the director. What what's what's what's his deal? Are you still in touch? What was he like? I?

00:57:38
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not I'm not still in touch, but I know that if we saw each other on the street, it would be a very big.

00:57:48
Speaker 4: Wonderful reunion.

00:57:50
Speaker 2: So what was he like on set?

00:57:51
Speaker 4: He was friggin fantastic.

00:57:54
Speaker 6: Like he was really whatever were with the kids that it worked because of because of Jonathan, Like he was such an actor's director, to be fair. I also worked with him in The Great Mom Swap. I also worked with American Dreams. Like I'm a very big fan of his and an tie of me, I like to think, but he he.

00:58:24
Speaker 4: Was so wonderful too. He was just so great with the kids.

00:58:30
Speaker 6: He really, i think coached them in a lovely way.

00:58:35
Speaker 2: It's a huge job.

00:58:36
Speaker 4: It's a huge job.

00:58:38
Speaker 2: It is imagine choreography.

00:58:41
Speaker 6: Yes, such a fine line to keep everyone on task and on schedule and focused while also keeping it.

00:58:52
Speaker 3: Fun fun exactly and not being like.

00:58:54
Speaker 2: Guys, please get settled in.

00:58:58
Speaker 4: Yes, because it's the end of the day.

00:59:01
Speaker 6: If you don't get us having fun in the movie's debt.

00:59:05
Speaker 5: It doesn't Why are we watching? Did you shoot during the summer so you didn't have to do school?

00:59:10
Speaker 4: No, we did school.

00:59:11
Speaker 5: Oh you did school, okay, see the man you had to also juggle school on the set too.

00:59:15
Speaker 4: And where was it? S? What?

00:59:17
Speaker 2: Where? Where?

00:59:18
Speaker 5: Did where?

00:59:18
Speaker 2: What was local?

00:59:19
Speaker 6: Shot all of the camp stuff on Disney Ranch?

00:59:24
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, you said that.

00:59:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, so fun. Yeah it was.

00:59:28
Speaker 6: It was awesome because it really was like it really was like summer camp.

00:59:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were out in the middle of nowhere.

00:59:34
Speaker 1: So the group enlists Lloyd's Dennis van Welker, who was living in a trailer and hiding from a debt collector played by Emmett Walsh. After watching him rub his toothbrush on the trailer door which really gave me the eck and then putting it back in his mouth, they offer Van Welker, your face is okay, Oh yeah, it's my blood. I'm fine with that. Blood doesn't bother me. But but rubbing your toothbrush in Sorry, we talked about vampire facials before. Oh yeah, yeah, You're like, why would she be rubbing back?

01:00:04
Speaker 4: I was going to have a little grace. You do you?

01:00:12
Speaker 1: You, you do you, Danielle, whatever is going on there. So they offer Van Welker money and help to avoid Walsh, and he's committed to being the front for the camp. Now, during this this scene we get the term piss yellow and earlier the bullies use the M word when referring to little people. And in those moments, I realize, how was Disney ever involved in.

01:00:39
Speaker 6: You know, uh, well I feel I mean again, I wonder if then that word was what it is now. Yeah, I don't know, I mean no, obviously not.

01:00:57
Speaker 4: The thing to me that I was shocked by was when I can't remember his name, Alvin or whatever his character's name was, opens the bag of porn I.

01:01:07
Speaker 5: Was right, Yeah, the play pens, which is what it always was, that was TV porn was playpen Yeah, I know, I.

01:01:18
Speaker 6: Was gobsmacked when I watched it.

01:01:20
Speaker 1: Yes, And so when you watched it with your kids, did you feel like, oh, gosh, I need to explain that, or oh, let's just pretend that never happened.

01:01:31
Speaker 3: How did you feel then when you watched it with your kids?

01:01:33
Speaker 6: Well, I with my daughter, she didn't catch it, like it wasn't enough of a thing. And with my son because he goes to summer camp. It's a boys summer camp. Like I explained porn to him before he left for his first summer okay, because I didn't want his first exposure.

01:01:56
Speaker 4: I wanted me to get ahead of it.

01:01:59
Speaker 1: So then he was eight and the first went right, so that when he sees it, Yeah, because camp with like twelve year.

01:02:04
Speaker 2: Old boys, it's also every you know. I actually I had the reaction of, like, I think I wanted more edge because I think this movie is in some ways, you know, it could have gone more into the John Hughes tradition, which is a little edgier, right, like and and the movie keeps making nons towards that, like characters are kissing at the end and talking about dating and and and there is porn and there you know, and and also just the whole conceit is pretty edgy if you actually think about it. And I felt like, probably because of Disney. There was a lot of pulling back of those things, and you know, but you watch like Goonies, it's edgy like they actually, you know, the kids are are are much edgier than these kids. I felt like the tension in this movie was like so, I think there was a lot of politics going on between probably the director and the writers and the studio. I felt like there's probably too many producers on this movie because I felt like there were so many ideas and of what it was, and it kind of gets lost in the middle. It becomes like like it's actual identity as a as a film feels like too slick in a way, too glossy. It feels like too much of a studio movie to be like one thing. You know, if like ten movies kind of crammed into one and it's like on one hand, you're like, oh, that sequence works, and that sequence works, but then together where are we? That was my you know, So when I saw the porn, I was like, Oh, is it gonna go that way? Is it going to be this like kind of raunchy, edgy version of them. It's like, no, there's gonna be. But that's why, that's why that initial review.

01:03:40
Speaker 5: Actually part of it was was interesting because it could have been pitched like and may have been pitched like Animal House at a camp for kids, Yes, which is really yeah, which you know if you think we're saying it's like that.

01:03:52
Speaker 2: I think they were trying to appeal to everybody eighteen under or family, and it's like, actually, go for the go for the eighteen plus audio, go for the people who just left teens who are like, imagine if I could go to sie, you know, or go for the eight year old audience. But it's trying to get everybody, and it's a.

01:04:08
Speaker 5: Little Yeah, doesn't he do the same thing though we were talking about home Alone? Doesn't he find his brother's playboys or whatever? And Home Alone?

01:04:15
Speaker 2: It's that same.

01:04:15
Speaker 5: I think they're hitting all those same tropes. It's the stuff swinging from the ceilings, it's finding the porn.

01:04:21
Speaker 2: It's different.

01:04:21
Speaker 5: I mean, the only thing that was missing was the spider, So I think they are kind of hitting all those same things as well.

01:04:26
Speaker 1: Well. The second Emmett Walsh leaves, the kids pull up in the car literally.

01:04:31
Speaker 3: These second he leaves.

01:04:33
Speaker 2: The car pulls up.

01:04:34
Speaker 1: Christopher Lloyd then brilliantly plays four different camp directors to convince the friend's families that these camps exist. One for the computer camp, one for the acting camp in a very fresh Phantom of the opera Satin Jacket, one for the military school, and as a Richard Simmons look alike for the fat camps.

01:04:53
Speaker 6: Which of these four was your favorite of his characters? Mine was for sure the camp director. I loved him in that. Wait wait, I'm sorry, I'm sorry the theater director there.

01:05:07
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, theater director is great. I love I hit you.

01:05:12
Speaker 1: But it was Richard Simmons one, Richard Simmons, the fat camp one.

01:05:16
Speaker 2: It was is so I like that one, and the.

01:05:20
Speaker 4: Teeth were hysterical.

01:05:25
Speaker 1: So as they try to keep their little planned secret, we q young Betty Stoler aka Hillary Tuck, who not only finds out, she tells basically an entire class, and they show up wanting to know more and ready to pay.

01:05:39
Speaker 2: It's all because of Walter's crush. All these problems are because Walter told the redhead in biology is it? He told you? And you couldn't keep your mouth shut.

01:05:50
Speaker 4: Lose lip sink ships.

01:05:54
Speaker 2: So I had this weird experience where I mean I knew I had auditioned for this movie. I had it like somewhere in the back of my mind, but I didn't remember the experience other than I think I did a lot of auditions. And then there was a line. There was a scene with Chris Lloyd and Jonathan Jackson near the end and he says something about like you're gonna in a couple of years, you're gonna grow an unfortunate mustache on your face. And I was like, I know this line. I know these lines. It's like that was my audition scene at some point, and it was like it went right into it, which is funny because it's actually not that great of a scene for Jonathan Jackson. But what I remembered and what struck me watching this is that they were shuffling characters constantly during the audition process, and I think they decided, let's just mix and match and try and find the best actors we can and then find roles for them, and that's kind of the vibe I felt. That's why I think, like, Jonathan Jackson isn't that geeky of a kid. He's kind of like pretty straightforward, mainstream, and the fat girl is clearly not overweighted at all and it was like I feel like they were just kind of auditioning people with like generic scenes and mix and matching, and then they were like you, you and you and you, let's go and it was just let's find the most talented kids and then build the characters around them, which and smart.

01:07:12
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, did you have any did you have any onset romances?

01:07:18
Speaker 2: Did everybody kiss?

01:07:19
Speaker 6: Andrew Keegan kind of yeah?

01:07:25
Speaker 5: Yeah.

01:07:26
Speaker 2: Wait were you guys all staying in hotels? Where were you actually sleeping?

01:07:29
Speaker 4: We were coming in and we were from.

01:07:33
Speaker 2: Home, so you were all like living in la oh wow. Yeah.

01:07:36
Speaker 6: So it was like I definitely remember a lot of very late nights, my aunt driving me home and me like you know, sleeping on the way home. But it was I remember there were so many romances. Of course, yes, I remember for a while it was Andrew Keegan and Marnie. There was definitely a Jonathan Jackson and I'm blanking on her name the other fourth lead Okay, Melody k Well we actually.

01:08:10
Speaker 2: Partnered up as they then for a while.

01:08:16
Speaker 6: Uh, Marnie was with someone else on set and Jonathan. Jonathan had like four romances.

01:08:27
Speaker 2: I mean, it was it was like number two on the call sheet. You know what, what do you think? Come on, come on.

01:08:34
Speaker 4: Yes, I definitely remember remember that. And I.

01:08:39
Speaker 5: By the way, the two of them together are adorable.

01:08:43
Speaker 4: Aren't they so cute?

01:08:44
Speaker 2: I mean they are just at the end is like one of my favorite moments of the movie because it's adorable.

01:08:51
Speaker 5: It reminded me of My Girl, where they just work together on screen and they just are phenomenal together as that young little couple.

01:08:59
Speaker 2: They're great. They really The real way to fix it is to give him a haircut, poor kid. Yeah, my god, Well, it'd be so much better if it just did every time it cut though, he was like, oh, there it is again.

01:09:09
Speaker 6: So you love the kiss at the end. Because the kiss at the end grossed me out.

01:09:15
Speaker 2: I don't care about the kiss. It was the leading up to it where they're looking at each other and it was like clearly shot with two cameras because it felt very real that these two kids were nervous and insecure. Yeah, and I just thought like, oh, there's you know, like there's some reality here between these actors that is just palpable.

01:09:34
Speaker 6: You know.

01:09:34
Speaker 2: The actual kiss itself, yeah, I mean, all the kissing whenever, God watching kids. Kiss is just so weird. And did you notice Andrew's lips are all when the scene started, His lips are all smeared with her stuff, with whatever chapstick lipstick she had on, and he breaks. Andrew is breaking when that scene first starts. I was like watching him, and it was because they had already done a take. He had already done the kiss and was clearly like all like weirdo, you're all like.

01:10:01
Speaker 5: French kiss, which is really bizarre for kids, like just weird.

01:10:06
Speaker 2: They were really dating. They were really dating.

01:10:09
Speaker 4: It's too much.

01:10:10
Speaker 6: And John and Jackson, if you notice before he kisses, he licks his lips.

01:10:16
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I saw that too. I can't.

01:10:19
Speaker 4: I couldn't, and I feel terrible because you know he was in real life what twelve or thirteen.

01:10:31
Speaker 6: I know might have very well been kiss yes, but it was I can't with the licking. And he has such beautiful, like women model lips.

01:10:44
Speaker 3: No, he doesn't have fully.

01:10:45
Speaker 4: Red and then they licked them. I don't know. It was just too much.

01:10:50
Speaker 1: So now we see the birth of Camp Nowhere, which was all shot at Walt Disney's Golden Oak Ranch, an eight hundred and ninety acre ranch still owned by the company. It is just outside of New Hall, about an hour away from Los Angeles. They still use the property for filming now with residential sets and a business district. And here's just some of the things that have filmed there. Pete's Dragon, the Muppet Movie, The A Team, Joe Dirt, The Dukes of Hazzard, the Office, It was Dwight's Farm, Pirates of the Caribbean at World's End, and the Jordan Sparks video for a song called Battlefield.

01:11:29
Speaker 5: I Heard Nothing after a Team. That's all you can, That's all. I've never been there.

01:11:35
Speaker 2: I would love to go away. It must be the coolest place because you know, it's like completely rigged with like you know, plugs everywhere, and like it's just it's built for filming, and yet it still looks so natural and gorgeous from the Disney ranch.

01:12:01
Speaker 3: So now they've rented the camp from an old man.

01:12:05
Speaker 1: The few minute cameo from Burgess Meredith and realized it's apparently right next to a military plane.

01:12:10
Speaker 3: Runway, but all is good.

01:12:12
Speaker 1: The camp has a hippie bus and a lake and mattresses to jump on from a roof. The former drama teacher leaves them be, he'll be at a lake house on the other side of the property.

01:12:21
Speaker 3: He'll see them in eight weeks.

01:12:24
Speaker 1: The rules are set by Mud letters home to parents once a week so they don't get suspicious if anyone in town talks to you you don't speak English. And lastly, report to Mud immediately if you find a taco bell.

01:12:35
Speaker 2: Now, at this point, Mud is telling all the kids everything right, like he is clearly the one in charge. Yes, So it didn't make any sense. I didn't make yes. Se when Andrew Keegan has the like he's actually been in charge the whole time, I was like, what doesn't everybody know that?

01:12:51
Speaker 1: Hold on, realize that it started with Andrew getting everybody's attention. Andrew's standing up there, going, guys, stop up here, and then everybody stops us, like geez, and then he hoists Jonathan up to give the instructions.

01:13:06
Speaker 2: Then Jonathan has all the money. So like when they come to Mud, they do the money Mud money, right, But they didn't know.

01:13:12
Speaker 5: They didn't know that he had collected all the money. He that's when they found out where It's like, where's the money and He's.

01:13:16
Speaker 2: Like, I've never really counted it. Which, by the way, is he have with all the stuff they buy? Is he rocking one hundred thousand dollars in cash? How much money lost? You know? I know he was.

01:13:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he still has he still has four grand or something left over or whatever he had to pay off the guy.

01:13:32
Speaker 3: He's a little short.

01:13:33
Speaker 2: From making it rain at that camp.

01:13:36
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, very hip.

01:13:37
Speaker 2: That's a thing, right, didn't I say a thing? You did that?

01:13:40
Speaker 3: A thing from from twenty years ago?

01:13:42
Speaker 6: Yeah?

01:13:42
Speaker 2: Is that twenty Is that really? Damn it? God, damn, I thought I had something. Oh God, so close.

01:13:50
Speaker 1: The first day ends with the campfire and the kids are already having a blast living somewhere in between the Lost Boys from Hook and Lord of the Flies.

01:13:58
Speaker 2: Nowhere near Lord of the Fly, I kind of. They don't have a fight for like another hour, like they in an hour they have a fight, and Jonathan says, I've become my parents, you know, like that scene, I was like, these kids are actually really good kids. Everybody's like, they're all just so positive. They all get along with each other.

01:14:17
Speaker 1: Bikes spinning around the fire is probably one of the pagan references. Yeah, So the kids end up using the money to buy big screen TVs from Circuit City and electric guitar motorbikes, jet skis, super soakers tend to chainsawk trivia.

01:14:39
Speaker 5: Anybody remember what the Circuit City tagline was Circuit City?

01:14:46
Speaker 2: No, nope, I remember. Good guys, we gotta be good. That's that's it. But that's not the question, sir.

01:14:53
Speaker 5: I know Circuit City where services stay of the art.

01:15:01
Speaker 1: So we also learned about Michael Carson incessant, horned up need to skinny dip with young Hillary.

01:15:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just can't let it go, he can't.

01:15:12
Speaker 4: It was really Yeah, it was a thing.

01:15:17
Speaker 6: And I think that's that dancing around the idea that we were talking about, that sort of dancing between family and edgy or I think that was another one of those.

01:15:28
Speaker 2: I was shocked by how mean you were. Your character is always mean, yes, which is so not you. Like if you told if you asked me and having never seen the movie or knowing anything about it, like what part does Hillary play? I never would have been like, oh, she's like the super meany like always putting the guy down and turn. I was like wow, But that every single line you were, you were.

01:15:58
Speaker 4: And then loved it. That's what they wanted.

01:16:03
Speaker 3: Every group of kids needs that character.

01:16:06
Speaker 2: But was this or was that what you got cast as often? Because not on Boy Me's World, No, I don't.

01:16:14
Speaker 4: It really wasn't.

01:16:15
Speaker 6: It was what I got cast in in Camp Nowhere. And then I remember, I think it's what Jonathan Prince cast me in, because I remember coming in for the Great mom Swap and it's about like two it's a movie of the Week and they're two girls, the nice, quiet girl and then the popular bitch girl and they fight and so the punishment is they have to switch homes. And I remember coming into the audition and doing my version of this character and Jonathan saying, Hillary, this is the beginning of the movie. You're not this nice. And then I did it again and I saw like all the producers and Jonathan Blix because I was. I was, and and I think he knew he brought me in because he's like, Oh, I've got the girl who can do that.

01:17:09
Speaker 2: She can do the snark, I can. That's awesome. All right, Let's talk about the hats. So what was going on with the hat choices, because there's like four or five different hats that you wear. Was that you was that Jonathan who was was like, let's give her a hat. Who's a hat wrangler?

01:17:26
Speaker 3: Was that truly sun protection?

01:17:28
Speaker 4: That was one?

01:17:32
Speaker 2: There was like a beret at one point. It's it's a choice.

01:17:35
Speaker 6: I think that the that the costume designer really loved dressing me because everyone had their own not that you can tell in the movie other than Marnette wearing a lot of bikinis. That there's each character had their own look and their own style. And mine was like bohe mean buy it at crossroads?

01:18:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like and Blossom was sad, yes, blowsome yeo.

01:18:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, Twilt, her name is Wilt, Wilts Blossom, We're sad.

01:18:18
Speaker 6: Yes.

01:18:19
Speaker 2: Actually a nineties TV show just called Wilt started the Saddest.

01:18:23
Speaker 3: Girl, right or strong?

01:18:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I think that was that was the idea, was that she I remember her being always very excited about my costumes and like that was sort of part of my My deal was that I wore hats and and yeah, I mean.

01:18:43
Speaker 2: I gotta make you pop somehow. Yeah, because there's so many kids, so many characters, you got one thing and you need to know exactly who that person is and get it out. Yeah, it's it's a lot of work man.

01:18:54
Speaker 1: So this massive delivery of stuff catches the attention of the local policeman, who has suspicions about what's going on and complaints from neighbors. But Mud and Van Welker are very good at hiding the truth and they're having a blast. The twin girls are playing video games, eating very long sub sandwiches, playing in the lank playing in the lake with fireworks. On July fourth, and Andrew Keegan even jumped his bike into the water with a very obvious grown man stunt double exactly.

01:19:20
Speaker 2: With the forty year old man actually doing it. Yes, that's right, so fun. But then the next kid does it on rollerblade and it's actually.

01:19:28
Speaker 6: The kid I was just about to say, and notice Devin Oatway did not use a stunt man.

01:19:32
Speaker 4: Yes, and face, you gotta protect the money maker.

01:19:37
Speaker 2: Come on, they don't break the money maker. I mean it's I think it's probably because Andrew was taller and they could they thought seal the fact that it was a grown person.

01:19:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we established Van Welker's love interest in nearby doctor Dunbar, who has to help Mud when he injures himself, and they use more lies to cover up the real situation over at the camp with her too, and then unfortunately it rains very very heavily in.

01:20:03
Speaker 4: July, long time rain.

01:20:08
Speaker 1: The kids are depressed and they want to go home, but then they decide to just embrace the storm and create the rain Olympics.

01:20:14
Speaker 2: And this was this must have been like, this is like kid actor heaven, Oh, rain machines and mud and let's go. I mean, it's probably stressful.

01:20:24
Speaker 1: But also so I know, how was this shooting outside and how did they create all this rain?

01:20:29
Speaker 6: So they I mean, yes, you're absolutely right. You can see everyone is having so much fun.

01:20:36
Speaker 4: It is.

01:20:36
Speaker 6: So they just let the cameras having so much fun because it is it's a kid's dream. Yeah, And so how they made the they had these like big rain things. It was just pouring cold, cold water on us in January, so it was not heated. What I thought everyone did such a good job of is really staying in the fun of it and show that they're freezing.

01:21:12
Speaker 4: You know that they're literally you were literally shivering.

01:21:15
Speaker 2: Oh, but it.

01:21:17
Speaker 6: Was so all I thought to me, the most fun in the movie is all the montages of the playing in the rain, of the fireworks, you know, fourth of July of the like the sub sandwich.

01:21:32
Speaker 4: What ten year old doesn't dream of?

01:21:35
Speaker 6: Like just the I mean I wish it had been I don't know, doughnuts or cake or something.

01:21:41
Speaker 1: I know, because I was like, kids love giant sub sandwiches.

01:21:46
Speaker 2: I think they do. I think this is no. I mean, this is why the movie exists, right, Like the movie was film it well, and so it was like let's just you know that they were just in a room being like, all right, tell me everything the kids want, and they just wrote them all down and they're like, we're going to shoot all of these knock him out into a montage and it's great.

01:22:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well then we get another love story between Mud and a fellow dorcas Gabby, while Van Welker and doctor Dunbar are getting closer and even have a dinner date where Mud has to create a whole scenario where they are father and son maybe.

01:22:16
Speaker 2: Just throws them outside. Yeah, it was great.

01:22:20
Speaker 3: It's so funny.

01:22:21
Speaker 1: Then Andrew Keegan tries to buy to buy beer, you know, like they do in every Disney Kids movie, but his fake ID.

01:22:28
Speaker 3: Says he's thirty one and no one is buying it.

01:22:31
Speaker 2: See I'm sorry, what year was this shot? And where are they supposed to be that the drinking age was nineteen? I know it must be.

01:22:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's twenty one is federal, isn't it? And it's and it's from it like his seventies. Yeah, so they must they must have taken place in Canada like it was supposed to be, because there's nowhere you can buy.

01:22:51
Speaker 2: Beer, which is strange because most things shoot in Canada and pretend to take place in exactly exactly. Yeah, so weird.

01:22:58
Speaker 1: So to save him from the store, were calling the cops, Christopher Lloyd pretends to be his dad and fixes it all. But also, does that mean they believe that Christopher Lloyd is thirty one?

01:23:09
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, wait, Andrew Keagan's not thirty one.

01:23:12
Speaker 5: But also, yeah, he still tried to use the fake ID, even if he tried to buy it for somebody older, Like that even makes sense.

01:23:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, but at least they got beer.

01:23:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, Christopher Lloyd may have had some early fears about the script, but he deserves that extra money as he walks through a car wash.

01:23:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was a set piece that made no sense to me. Why I was caught in the door. Sorry. This is why I felt like the script had been rewritten like fifty times, and some studio exec was like, you know what's funny car washes? Maybe guy walked through a car washes, Like, how do we get that into our camp?

01:23:48
Speaker 4: Move?

01:23:49
Speaker 2: Okay, and they just crammed it in. You're like, yeah, it's not even that funny, but okay.

01:23:56
Speaker 4: The twenty million. But on one condition.

01:23:58
Speaker 2: Exactly a wash. I want to say, we need like a Jim Carrey guy going through a car wash. Can you make that happen? That'll be funny? What have you got? Spray in wax go?

01:24:06
Speaker 1: So we also have to address now that when the kids were writing letters home, apparently they were using the real camp's return address, because that is how Emmett Walsh tracks down Van Welker and eventually why their parents want to visit.

01:24:24
Speaker 3: And that was a dumb idea.

01:24:26
Speaker 2: Kids.

01:24:27
Speaker 5: You can't just you're this smart to make all these thousands of dollars start your own camp, but you can't mail it from somewhere else.

01:24:34
Speaker 3: Exactly, do a false address here.

01:24:37
Speaker 4: Yes, Look, they can be smart and still act stupid.

01:24:40
Speaker 3: Bingo, thank you. The whole point of the movie it was a good line.

01:24:43
Speaker 2: Disagree, I know.

01:24:44
Speaker 6: It is not a good line came out.

01:24:47
Speaker 2: I was like, that's a nice way to that's a good line. It's a little generic. You could use it in a lot of movies, but it actually.

01:24:54
Speaker 4: It's liked it too.

01:24:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the dunbar date goes well, I guess, and apparently she sleeps over.

01:25:01
Speaker 2: She sleeps over when she got out when the jeep was like driving out in the morning.

01:25:04
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait, she seemed I said, I first said, and then she come back and then I go, oh, so she.

01:25:18
Speaker 2: Apparently sleeps over.

01:25:19
Speaker 1: And then she accidentally sees all the kids in total camp chaos in the morning. She approaches the fake father son and she is furious that these kids have lied to their parents and they could get hurt. All this at the same time, all the parents have decided to visit the camp with all their false assumptions about what's happening there.

01:25:37
Speaker 7: It's breaking back three here, folks and the jigs create a multi tiered, insanely elaborate plan to produce parents Day and get together.

01:25:50
Speaker 6: Yes, see what we can do when we all come together?

01:25:54
Speaker 2: Now, did you need four different ways to change the sign?

01:25:59
Speaker 5: I thought it was cool, But couldn't this sign just be changed the same way every time?

01:26:03
Speaker 2: Like you needed rocket it's got to be super complicated and every time you see it. To me, that's the kind of thing everything pull it, everything pull it. That's the kind of thing that you know, as a eleven year old, you do think is kind of cool when you're watching a movie. Contraption is always good a contraption. But also this was the era of like production value was in being able to pull off these kinds of things. Because nowadays, you know, you it would be all CG. You could just you know, so it wouldn't be as impressive to kids. But like back then, to see you know, like I mean think about goonies like the booby traps, you know, like whenever you had like this, the Rube Goldberg level of machines like that was so satisfying to watch in a film and very hard to pull off.

01:26:45
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, why change it four times? When I have four rockets or four sides?

01:26:50
Speaker 2: The creativity you are four times? But the thing to me that was like crazy, I mean, it was all very convenient, the way it all like there's actually no problems. It all kind of worked out. But the thing to me that that drove me crazy was the way that the traps went off on the two cop characters. When they went it was like, because the kids didn't plan that, right, right, that just happens.

01:27:13
Speaker 5: Oh, I know that was a mistake because he stepped on the large rat trap.

01:27:18
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, we got to have the home alone. See, but there was like that kids that alone set these traps. So it's not satisfying. It's just a series of misadventures. I was like, I mean, I but so much work. That's like a month of filming right there to just be like insert this insert.

01:27:34
Speaker 6: It wasn't satisfying to you. But I have to tell you my kids love.

01:27:41
Speaker 2: They were they.

01:27:44
Speaker 6: I mean when I was even I when I watch it with my kids, I'm like, what with the bear?

01:27:47
Speaker 4: What is happening? He's on the back of the well.

01:27:51
Speaker 1: I think what writer missed is that what what was happening is those were the things they had to hide, Those were the things they had to get ridden.

01:27:58
Speaker 2: I guess, but it was in the come up and because I mean, it's just just like it was just so random, you know, it was just like they had no relation to a plan or characters choices. It was purely just hijas haphazards.

01:28:10
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I think it was that they were done, like they got away with everything.

01:28:14
Speaker 2: All the stuff was up at the ceiling. Now they got it. But everything happens.

01:28:20
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, so it involves this whole plan involves security cameras, moving walls, walkie talkies, and always changing signs. The best to me was the military camp sign of to Saigon turning into the Broadway camp sign of miss.

01:28:48
Speaker 2: When they when they came up with that, they were I feel like the whole reason they did this movie. Wait, they have to go from military to theater. Let's do it? Really? God, I mean it's a little disturbed. Is the point of the military camp, Like, let's play on Dad's I know, was Dad in Vietnam and and we're just gonna really bring him back there?

01:29:12
Speaker 5: I know.

01:29:13
Speaker 1: I also expected there to be like he wasn't anymore. He wasn't You think when you're sending your kid to camp, it's because you want him to learn respect, and he would have.

01:29:22
Speaker 3: They also mentioned the haircut thing.

01:29:24
Speaker 2: That wanted him to be an assassin. Yeah, just torture wanted him to be tortured, tortured in Vietnam, and then he has flashbacks in that they stuck and well, I think because he's the only there's only two or three kids that were supposed to go to the military camp, so it's essentially the only one Dad is coming. So we just have to keep him in this hole just torture flashbacks.

01:29:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, just being in the hole wasn't but they had to make the whole cold and wet too, Like that wasn't necessary for anything.

01:29:55
Speaker 2: But they just wanted him to leave.

01:29:57
Speaker 3: They wanted him to they wanted.

01:30:00
Speaker 1: So Also, when the kids are getting ready for this with a super fun montage, they are wearing Done Edwards paint shirts and hats. Do you know was Done Edwards a sponsor? Did you guys have like sponsorship money?

01:30:10
Speaker 6: I had no idea, but you're right, that's a very odd choice.

01:30:15
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, someone got some Done Edwards.

01:30:17
Speaker 2: Money and maybe Circuit City.

01:30:19
Speaker 5: I mean again, Disney was not big at putting brands in their movies, so for free, for free, So I mean you had Circuit City, you had Done Edwards. I mean there were four or five there that were pretty recognizable.

01:30:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're probably right.

01:30:32
Speaker 1: So Parents' Day is a huge success with so many moving parts and close calls, but all the parents bought it, and it's all written and directed so well. There's also a great tie in with the fighter jets that we saw at the beginning of the movie.

01:30:47
Speaker 2: To oh yeah, Kids Delivering Tennessee Williams, I was like, I love that. I love watching like kid Theater, bad Theater. I love it. It's like my favorite.

01:30:59
Speaker 4: I love that scene.

01:31:00
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so, Hillary, I wanted to ask you.

01:31:02
Speaker 1: Alison mack is in this movie I realized as Heather, and she had spent two years of a three year jail sentence in twenty twenty one for racketeering and her alleged involvement in a cult.

01:31:15
Speaker 3: What do you remember about her? Did you too keep in touch?

01:31:18
Speaker 4: We didn't.

01:31:20
Speaker 6: I mean, I remember her being she was one of the youngest cast members, so I remember the older cast members being like very protected, like sort of taking her under our wing. And I remember her being just much like her character in.

01:31:41
Speaker 4: This movie, just cute as a button.

01:31:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very sweet in the film.

01:31:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, so just do you want to pinch your little cheeks?

01:31:51
Speaker 4: That's what I remember. Yeah, that's what I remember.

01:31:54
Speaker 2: So she didn't ask you to brand your crotch.

01:31:56
Speaker 6: Well, I mean she did until several weeks into the production.

01:32:03
Speaker 4: You know, it's just.

01:32:05
Speaker 2: It's just a c N for Camp Nowhere.

01:32:07
Speaker 4: It's just.

01:32:11
Speaker 2: They all have those. They all have those.

01:32:14
Speaker 3: Showed us his.

01:32:17
Speaker 2: Wish you guys didn't. I can't nowhere tattoo. That would be awesome.

01:32:20
Speaker 4: It would be awesome.

01:32:21
Speaker 6: That would be kind of like the Lord of the Rings cast how they did their tattoo.

01:32:26
Speaker 4: We could do a Camp Nowhere.

01:32:28
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get them to do pod meets all tattoos. They won't do them with me. You would do it tomorrow. We did about this.

01:32:34
Speaker 5: We talked about this Eddie convention and Daniel's like, I had tattoos of never doing it again, and Rider you were like, it doesn't really mean we had.

01:32:41
Speaker 2: We talked about this at a.

01:32:42
Speaker 1: Dinner, okay, just like ill he asked, and I just apparently don't remember, because Jensen was there.

01:32:47
Speaker 2: He said he did ask on Yes I will.

01:32:48
Speaker 5: I'll go right now, get those damn things and then we'll get vampire facials and call it a day.

01:32:55
Speaker 1: So the parents leave all happy with what they've seen. That is until the debt, electing Emmett Walsh arrives to spoil everything. He exposes the truth to the parents, making everything literally come apart at the seams. Van Welker runs away to avoid punishment, leaving Mud defend for himself. Everything is doomed, except Van Welker ends up finding his heart and attempts to take all the blame for the camp Mud is touched by the gesture, but admits it was him, the lowly dweebo, who was the mastermind. But in a bit of a trope ending seen in movies like Disney's Radio Rebel or Spartacus, all the campers pretend to be the mastermind because you can't bust everyone, can you. Everyone says they are smart enough to act stupid.

01:33:41
Speaker 2: Ah.

01:33:41
Speaker 1: The parents appear mad at first, but then they get over it. While watching the Gesture of Unity, leaving no real consequences for the campers now whatsoever. Van Welker Mud uses the leftover money to pay off the debt collector. And I am saying it now, I would watch a spin off of Emmett Walsh's character as he retires in Boca Raton.

01:34:02
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't think that would be.

01:34:04
Speaker 6: A favorite favorite line of the whole movie is when he says you're a little short.

01:34:08
Speaker 4: He says, we're a little fat.

01:34:12
Speaker 3: The kids leave camp having had the best of their lives.

01:34:16
Speaker 2: The car that pulls up when they different world car is that the host? Is that the car that Andrews been fixing up? Yes? He also painted it? Wow he didn't they done Edwards restaurant. Edwards helps me? They Yeah, I mean that was like an a a major restoration on top of all the other things they were doing that summer. He restored that car.

01:34:41
Speaker 5: I think it's a fifty five Chevy that he like put together himself in the Yes, in the.

01:34:45
Speaker 2: In the painting.

01:34:46
Speaker 1: I did not put that together. I was like, where did this car come from together?

01:34:52
Speaker 2: He guess when he's eighteen. Apparently that's what he said.

01:34:55
Speaker 1: I you heard the story of Andy and Danny. We rode around in a car he helped fix up and it was a real it was a real passion of his. So uh, So Van Welker ends up with the doctor Andrew Keagan has made necklaces of car parts for him and Trish as they share a I know that necklace. I was like, oh wow, it's awful.

01:35:16
Speaker 4: It was like, do you think they had a smaller necklace? And they were like making it and they were like, we can't see this.

01:35:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, need to be bigger, bigger. It looked a flintstone's necklace, like made of dinosaur bones, but this was car parts.

01:35:32
Speaker 2: Oh that's the best.

01:35:35
Speaker 1: So Trish and Andrew Keagan share a very tongue heavy kiss.

01:35:40
Speaker 2: Oh my god, full on some more sound effects, just get a and stir it up.

01:35:48
Speaker 1: While even it's a lot even Mud and Gabby are swapping spit and some of the most awkward kids kissing in a movie scenes ever.

01:35:59
Speaker 4: Those lips gonna what?

01:36:02
Speaker 1: And finally before our music video like ending credits, it's our girl Hillary in the tag, finally addressing the running joke about Walter always wanting to skinny dip with it.

01:36:12
Speaker 2: I'm glad you got this tag because this is like, this locks you in as like a major plot point. It's a it's a nice payoff. He's great, You're great. I was like, ah, this is fun.

01:36:22
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was really glad that I that I got that because we shot there were so many scenes that didn't make the movie, I bet and the we shot that in January. The water was Oh, I mean it was freezing, and I remember I was very proud of myself because Joshua was like very tipically.

01:36:51
Speaker 4: Walking in and he was like, oh, it's no gold.

01:36:53
Speaker 3: It's cool, which is totally acceptable.

01:36:56
Speaker 6: Right, He's a twelve year old boy walking into twenty degree water and in a bathing suit and he's walking in and I just was like I just marched in with no hesitation, and the whole crew started applotting for me.

01:37:11
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was really sweet.

01:37:14
Speaker 6: And then we do this scene, which again is like a skinny dipping thing but very fun. And I've had I'm kidding you not, I've had more than one person walk up to me and just start quoting me that line, Like what like they're quoting me that you know, do you have the guts?

01:37:40
Speaker 4: That's so cool?

01:37:42
Speaker 1: Well you trick him into removing his pants and you leave him in the lake alone.

01:37:49
Speaker 3: Payback.

01:37:49
Speaker 2: He's naked and alone and cold, apparently.

01:37:53
Speaker 1: Exactly, So that's camp nowhere. What our final thoughts? I mean, I enjoyed it so much. I want my kids to be a little older. They're only you know, for almost five and almost three, but when they get to be a little older, I think they're gonna love this movie.

01:38:16
Speaker 2: Indy will love it. Writer, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think you will. Yeah.

01:38:19
Speaker 6: It is the right age, I think in I think back in the day, you know, twelve thirteen was the time to watch it, but nowadays it is. I think I is younger. It's a younger film, because otherwise you get into twelve and thirteen and I don't I think it feels a little crated, yeah, whereas this feels fun at this age.

01:38:42
Speaker 1: Well, Hillary, thank you so much for spending your very valuable time with us. This was so fun to watch, so fun to recap. You are just one of our absolute favorite people. So thank you for coming back and spending time with us.

01:38:55
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, I'm crazy about all three of y'all. I am so y'all are so funny and so quick, and I just want to be can I just I just want to be around y'all.

01:39:06
Speaker 4: Listen to funny. I'll come up with the all backs.

01:39:10
Speaker 6: It's so it's it's so impressive.

01:39:15
Speaker 4: So thank you.

01:39:16
Speaker 6: I love doing this anytime. I'm I'm I just I think you guys are awesome.

01:39:21
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. We feel the same way about you.

01:39:23
Speaker 2: We love you.

01:39:24
Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, thank you for being here with us. We hope to see you again soon.

01:39:27
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I'll have a great.

01:39:29
Speaker 2: Day you too.

01:39:30
Speaker 3: Hi so much fun. I've never been in a big budget movie.

01:39:34
Speaker 2: Nope, me neither. What would a big budget be considered?

01:39:37
Speaker 4: Yeah?

01:39:38
Speaker 2: For ten million? Okay? Then yeah, I mean I did a twelve million dollar movie. I guess that counts. No one saw it, but I did it.

01:39:43
Speaker 3: You did it, you know what. It's like.

01:39:44
Speaker 2: They were they were filming The Amazing Spider Man downtown LA one time, and I walked through with my friend Chris love It as you guys know, and like we walked in, I was like, oh my god. Yeah, I have never been on a film set. I thought I've been on film sets, but like when you get to that scale where there's like multiple units and yeah, the trailers and the it was it's just insane. I was like, well, my my film experience is really limited, you know, as far as you know, low budget stuff. I think this was. I definitely think this was a big budget film, way bigger than I've ever been on saying. But they really stretched it. Yeah, really did a great job. Oh it's a movie. It's a movie.

01:40:23
Speaker 5: Movie, if this was not not a d com, it was not a not not singles are bad.

01:40:27
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I think that's what I imagined a d com. You know, that's sort of what I was thinking. It's it's a camp dcom movie.

01:40:34
Speaker 5: But no, well that's why the second I started doing any research and I looked at it and I was like, wait, it grossed eleven million to oh this was in the theater.

01:40:41
Speaker 2: Like I had no idea this was even in the theater.

01:40:42
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01:40:52
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