Episode 168: "Debunked by Nature" and Lessons from Farm Life with Mollie Engelhart

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Hi, friends. Welcome back to the

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Regenerative Agriculture

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Podcast. This is Jon, and we're

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back with Molly Engelhardt.

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But I wanted to have you back

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because I think your current

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work and the book that you're in

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the process of releasing is so

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relevant for our times where we

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have this

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increasing polarity

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and this division

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between farmers and their

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consumers. And there is this

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moment

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following what happened with

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COVID and with growing awareness

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of food supply chain issues and

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collective public health issues

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over the course of the last

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three or four years, that

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people—there's an openness to

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asking questions that hasn't

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existed for quite some time, it

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feels like.

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And

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your message and what you've

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been working on here over the

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last year or two

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addresses this so directly.

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So I don't want to

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to put to use my words to

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describe what you're doing.

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Tell us a bit about your book

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and your message and what it is

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you're working on.

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Well,

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my book really came out of

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my relationship with nature.

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And I was living I grew up on a

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farm, so I have like a farming

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childhood background.

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And then I moved to Los Angeles

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and lived a very

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modern L .A. life for many, many

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years. I was,

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I would say, a feminist and a

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workaholic. And I was All of the

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strive to do, I can do what men

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can do, all of that was very

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loud in me.

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I built up this empire.

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And at the beginning of COVID,

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before COVID started, I was

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selling it for between $25 and

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$31 million.

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And so I thought I had

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succeeded. I had built this

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thing. I grew it bigger.

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I'm selling it to a venture

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capital firm. And I could just

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be a full -time mom and shift

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what I was doing.

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And somewhere along the way, I'd

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learned about regenerative

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agriculture and really had

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shifted what was important to me

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away from veganism and what I

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was doing to regenerative

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agriculture. But I'm no dummy,

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like if I'm going to sell my

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business and get out and then do

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that.

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But COVID not only robbed me of

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that deal and that opportunity,

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but it robbed me of

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my income and my business that I

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was running for those 15 years.

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And in that time, I spent a lot

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of time on the farm, a lot of

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time observing.

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And I started to realize in a

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world where everybody was

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talking about truth and

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misinformation and what's true

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and my truth and there's

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subjective truth and all this,

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I started to ask, what is truth?

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And I realized that nature was

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an expression of

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God's perfection.

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And so in being a seeker of

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truth,

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Could I take these constructs

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that are being thrown through

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the air all the time for

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division,

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for dividing us?

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And could I take it to the

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savanna,

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the woods, or the farm and

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ask,

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does this exist in nature?

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And it really started with

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veganism. Like there is no

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veganism. It doesn't exist.

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My whole life was based on that.

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And then you get to the farm and

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you see that,

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well, blood meal, bone meal,

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feather meal, chicken food, all

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coming out of the consolidated

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feedlot system.

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Organic fertilizer in the

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degenerative organic system is

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literally just byproducts of the

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death industry.

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And I say that in quotation

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marks that

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vegans hate. And so all of our

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vegetables

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energetically are

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feeding on that death.

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And so there is no plate of food

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without death. I cannot have an

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animal on my plate, but my

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avocado toast, there was ground

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squirrels killed.

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have that avocado toast when

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those avocado trees were young.

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In the toast itself there was

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rabbits and squirrels and foxes

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and whatever snakes and frogs

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that were got up into the

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combine and there was

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cats and rat traps to protect

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the grain. I mean there is no

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food without death.

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What's a part of there is no

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life without death.

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It's a part of the cycle.

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It's two sides of the same coin.

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It's not actually a failure.

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It's a function of life.

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And so my

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book is called Debunked by

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Nature. And essentially, I take

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these ideas that I was taught in

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college in Los Angeles, in

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Ithaca, New York.

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I grew up in the most liberal

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ideas. And I just say,

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Do they make sense?

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And not all my ideas are

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political that I question.

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I talk about co -sleeping.

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I talk about breastfeeding.

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I talk about, you know, why

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would we think we could,

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Nestle's company could make

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something more nutritious than

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the

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mother's milk? It doesn't make

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any sense. And would a lion

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sleep

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far away from her child where

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she can't see it.

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Only time that happens in nature

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with mammals is when the deer,

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when bovine are first born and

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they don't have the scent of the

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animal yet. The mother will

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sleep close by where she can see

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it, but that the predator would

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come for her rather than the

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baby until the baby can run.

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That is the only time we see a

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mammal sleeping away from their

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mother.

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young.

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And so we have created a culture

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where we put the baby in a

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separate room and watch it with

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a digital monitor or whatever.

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So not all my ideas are

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political.

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They're just kind of about

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societal norms.

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And are these things normal or

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have we lost our way?

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Has God shown us the perfect

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design and we are ignoring it?

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A bit ago, you mentioned some of

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the truths that you observed

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emerging from nature when you

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started paying attention.

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I've always been intrigued by

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analogs between

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the way plants develop and

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livestock develop and our own

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spiritual growth as well.

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So this one example,

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that I've mentioned before is

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the process of the very simple

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process of photosynthesis.

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And it's 24 hour circadian

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rhythm.

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You have plants that are

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collecting energy from the light

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during the day while the sun is

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shining

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and storing and conserving that

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energy to grow at night.

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80 % of cell division happens

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between 3 a .m.

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8 a .m. or

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you could say during the darkest

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time of the night and at dawn.

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from a spiritual perspective,

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There's a powerful analog here

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that we are to collect energy

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from the light during the bright

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times of our lives so

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that we have conserved energy

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and stored energy to

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develop and grow during the

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trials and tribulations that

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my

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question, you mentioned you've

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touched on a few, but what are

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some of the truths that you

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observed in nature that or

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some of your memorable moments

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that you look back now and you

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say, aha, that was a

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breakthrough?

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I've told this story before, but

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I was

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breastfeeding my second child,

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and my first child was a

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toddler.

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And I was vegan, and my mindset

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was vegan,

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and I was feeding my toddler oat

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milk.

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My father had given me a cow.

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Her name is Una.

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I still have Una.

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she was bred when I got her, and

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she had a bull calf.

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And her udder is very, very big.

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She's a European big.

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And her back two teats were too

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low to the ground for the calf

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to nurse on. So he just focused

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on the front two, and we were

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milking off the back two.

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And we had got her for compost.

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I was still in my vegan mind.

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I was going to have a cow.

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I was going to set off my

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compost with her poop.

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But my uncle was drinking the

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milk from those back two teats.

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And so I go to get the oat milk

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out of the refrigerator.

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I'm holding my infant nursing on

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my mind. I'm nursing the infant.

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That's perfect food.

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It's divine. It's it's all the

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nutrients, everything that it

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needs for this area has the

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microbiology has the

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the immune stuff for this exact

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area.

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And I look at the oat milk and

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the Tetra Pak from Costco, and I

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look at this glass half gallon

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ball jar of Una's milk in my

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refrigerator.

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And I think,

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why would I think

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that that is death?

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That is pus, that is gross, that

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is bad for you.

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And this oat milk, sterile Tetra

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Pak from Costco is

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somehow good for my kid.

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Like it just,

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broke my head at that moment

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because obviously the breast is

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best. And then Una is living in

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the same environment as I am,

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but dirtier.

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And so her milk has to be

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healthful and nourishing for my

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toddler,

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cannot be harmful.

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And I just like secretly, I

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didn't even want the vegans to

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know that I was secretly feeding

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my toddler raw milk from my cow

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because I was afraid.

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So what happened in the shift

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from that moment you had this

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realization, in that moment you

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were afraid,

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and now you stand on the eve of

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releasing this book,

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which

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hopefully

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controversial in the very best

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sort of way.

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Controversial in the sense that

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it inspires lots of

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conversations and inspires

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people to reevaluate what

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happened from that moment of

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being afraid to speak out to

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now.

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I'm still afraid.

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Being a torchbearer.

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I mean, I think I'm still

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afraid. I think

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I don't think anybody's not

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afraid. I think it's either you

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can be afraid and you can still

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take action or you're afraid and

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you're in inaction.

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And so just the other night, me

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and my husband went somewhere

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and then we stopped on the way

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home and I went to the restroom

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and

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someone stopped me in the

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restroom and said, I know who

347
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you are, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma.

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And I said, oh, thank you.

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And I all of a sudden had this

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like fear come over me because I

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wrote this book

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in in the three hours of the

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morning from four a .m.

354
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to six a .m.

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at that time that we're supposed

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to be growing. Right.

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I

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got

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up at four a .m.

360
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for six weeks

361
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every morning when my kids were

362
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sleeping. No kid on

363
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the boob. No, nothing.

364
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I could just focus and did it

365
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from six, eight, four a .m.

366
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to six a .m.

367
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So I was very intimate.

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It was me in the living room of

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my home in very dark kind of

370
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cave like experience.

371
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And I just told the truth.

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The truth came out of my heart

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and I

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felt like it was just coming out

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of me, coming out of me, coming

376
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out of me.

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And then I sent it

378
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to Taylor and he gave it to Paul

379
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and Paul and me went back and

380
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forth. And that's the editor

381
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from acres.

382
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And then it's just me and Paul.

383
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And so that's pretty intimate

384
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too. And then

385
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all of a sudden you're like, Oh,

386
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we need some blurbs.

387
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So it's like, we're going to

388
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give it to a few people to get a

389
00:11:18,610 --> 00:11:20,049
blurb. And then all of a sudden

390
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I had this realization in the

391
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restroom as this woman was like,

392
00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:24,430
Oh my God, Molly, I follow you

393
00:11:24,430 --> 00:11:25,230
on Instagram.

394
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And I just had this thought

395
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like, Oh my God,

396
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I just felt so naked, like my

397
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whole soul is on display, but

398
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I believe that I was led there.

399
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this because the way I tell this

400
00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,779
story is not didactic.

401
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,580
It is not telling people what

402
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they must believe, but in the

403
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most honest way and sometimes

404
00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:46,519
looking bad,

405
00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:49,159
how did I believe this thing?

406
00:11:49,220 --> 00:11:50,639
And now how do I believe this

407
00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:52,919
thing and connecting those dots?

408
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And I'm hoping that

409
00:11:55,169 --> 00:11:57,220
it is controversial in that

410
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people find out about it and I

411
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can connect those dots for other

412
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people.

413
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Because the

414
00:12:04,610 --> 00:12:07,450
idea that I jumped out of bed

415
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five days after having a baby

416
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and strapped my baby to me and

417
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went to work to prove that I was

418
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just as strong as a man,

419
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that's broken.

420
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That idea,

421
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and that harms my body, it harms

422
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my children.

423
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And

424
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what kind of idea is that?

425
00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,879
Like, I need to be as strong as

426
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a man?

427
00:12:28,330 --> 00:12:29,950
who cannot push a baby out of

428
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them, grow a baby in them and

429
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bring it forth into this world,

430
00:12:32,889 --> 00:12:35,289
five days later, and I'm just

431
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like there at work, pale as can

432
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be, bleeding,

433
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proving how strong I am, that

434
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mindset that I can do anything

435
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he can do, instead of that we

436
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are a bond and we are two

437
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halves of one whole,

438
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each perfect in our shortcomings

439
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and our strengths to complement

440
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each other,

441
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I was indoctrinated and I spent

442
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much of my life trying to live

443
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up to these ideas that I was

444
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told. And if I can give a woman

445
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a permission at a much younger

446
00:13:09,769 --> 00:13:11,049
age to start having children,

447
00:13:11,389 --> 00:13:13,389
at a much younger age to decide

448
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to let her husband be the

449
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breadwinner,

450
00:13:16,899 --> 00:13:18,600
I will love to cause

451
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,759
just that little transformation.

452
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If I can,

453
00:13:21,879 --> 00:13:22,679
I had

454
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Abortions when I was younger,

455
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like, I'm going to have to live

456
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with that sin that I did that.

457
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But if I can lead someone.

458
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through my experience to where I

459
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am at 47 and where I was at 22

460
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and let them see my mistakes,

461
00:13:38,299 --> 00:13:39,820
maybe they don't have to live

462
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the mistakes I did.

463
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And maybe God can use my

464
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shortcomings and

465
00:13:46,169 --> 00:13:47,730
my missteps to

466
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help other women feel strength

467
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in being the feminine that they

468
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are.

469
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And that's just one part of the

470
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book. But in the feminine and

471
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masculine,

472
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if I if just that could help

473
00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,240
people, I feel like

474
00:14:03,259 --> 00:14:04,799
that would be great because I

475
00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:06,500
feel like way the way I pushed

476
00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:08,840
my body for my first two

477
00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,399
children, what was not right,

478
00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:12,919
and especially at the age that I

479
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was.

480
00:14:15,190 --> 00:14:16,370
Well, sometimes we approach

481
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projects because

482
00:14:18,220 --> 00:14:19,559
we're passionate about them.

483
00:14:20,490 --> 00:14:22,090
Sometimes we approach projects

484
00:14:22,090 --> 00:14:23,190
because they're a dream that

485
00:14:23,190 --> 00:14:24,289
we've had for a long time.

486
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And sometimes we're led into

487
00:14:26,740 --> 00:14:28,539
projects kind of inadvertently,

488
00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:29,819
and we only realize what we're

489
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doing kind of after the fact.

490
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And so

491
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as you now stand on this stage,

492
00:14:38,319 --> 00:14:39,960
obviously, you've you've

493
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completed writing the book.

494
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You have a manuscript.

495
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You're about to send it out into

496
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the world.

497
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You just

498
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you preempted part of my

499
00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:49,460
question. So now I'm going to

500
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expand that. I was going to ask

501
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the question, what are what are

502
00:14:52,450 --> 00:14:53,870
the changes that you hope can be

503
00:14:53,870 --> 00:14:55,569
inspired in people's lives by

504
00:14:55,569 --> 00:14:56,490
raising the book in the world?

505
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But now I'd like to broaden

506
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that.

507
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more expansively than just what

508
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you described for young women?

509
00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:04,519
What are all the possible

510
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transformations?

511
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What are all the possible things

512
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that you hope might come true by

513
00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:08,680
putting this book into the

514
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world?

515
00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:12,180
Well, I feel that we're in a

516
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place and in a time where

517
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everything is about division.

518
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And

519
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I think,

520
00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:20,519
and we're all consuming so much

521
00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:22,860
information and there's so much.

522
00:15:23,389 --> 00:15:24,669
But if you look at all the

523
00:15:24,669 --> 00:15:25,469
information that we have, we're

524
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consuming, whether it's social

525
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media, whether it's

526
00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:28,970
environmental justice, whether

527
00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:30,429
it's regenerative agriculture,

528
00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:31,710
chemical agriculture,

529
00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:35,269
a lot of the underlying message

530
00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:37,230
is like us and them,

531
00:15:37,610 --> 00:15:38,909
good and bad,

532
00:15:39,309 --> 00:15:40,169
separation, separation,

533
00:15:40,350 --> 00:15:41,149
separation.

534
00:15:41,820 --> 00:15:42,620
And

535
00:15:43,230 --> 00:15:44,970
while we're fighting about all

536
00:15:44,970 --> 00:15:45,769
these things,

537
00:15:46,139 --> 00:15:47,559
the ability for us to reproduce

538
00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:49,460
is being poisoned out of us.

539
00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,860
Our ability to even have local

540
00:15:53,860 --> 00:15:55,759
secure food systems is

541
00:15:55,759 --> 00:15:57,340
collapsing. We're in an agrarian

542
00:15:57,340 --> 00:15:58,879
collapse that has never been

543
00:15:58,879 --> 00:15:59,700
seen before.

544
00:16:01,019 --> 00:16:03,460
170 ,000 farms, you were there

545
00:16:03,460 --> 00:16:04,279
when I got corrected.

546
00:16:04,419 --> 00:16:07,639
I said 140 ,000 and Merrill West

547
00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:09,779
from the Free Farm Alliance

548
00:16:09,779 --> 00:16:12,899
said, I think it's 170 ,000 in

549
00:16:12,899 --> 00:16:14,600
eight years. So if that's true,

550
00:16:15,289 --> 00:16:17,370
That's one in 15 farms we lost

551
00:16:17,370 --> 00:16:19,529
in the last eight years.

552
00:16:20,009 --> 00:16:21,909
I just spoke to a representative

553
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in Texas.

554
00:16:22,970 --> 00:16:24,930
He said that Texas lost 4 ,000

555
00:16:24,930 --> 00:16:27,230
family farms in the last year.

556
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So we are in a collapse.

557
00:16:29,690 --> 00:16:32,669
And my hope is that

558
00:16:33,169 --> 00:16:35,490
on a greater scale, people can

559
00:16:35,490 --> 00:16:37,230
be drawn back to the land.

560
00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:39,289
And if not, that may not mean

561
00:16:39,289 --> 00:16:41,049
they're going to pick up a

562
00:16:41,049 --> 00:16:42,149
garden hoe or they're going to

563
00:16:42,149 --> 00:16:43,509
pick up a shovel or get on a

564
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:44,309
tractor.

565
00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:46,039
that maybe it means they're

566
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willing to drive 45 minutes to

567
00:16:47,620 --> 00:16:49,519
pick up raw milk from their

568
00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:51,600
local Amish farmer, or they're

569
00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,039
willing to drive out and get a

570
00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:55,600
CSA box, or join a CSA, or get a

571
00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,110
meat box, or any of those

572
00:16:58,110 --> 00:16:59,049
things. Because

573
00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:01,759
so many farmers are white

574
00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:02,559
knuckling it,

575
00:17:02,919 --> 00:17:04,460
working a second job

576
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:07,009
just to lose money to grow our

577
00:17:07,009 --> 00:17:09,460
food. And this is not right.

578
00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:10,880
And although that's not what my

579
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:11,700
book is about,

580
00:17:12,829 --> 00:17:14,390
being reconnected to how

581
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:16,769
important healthy soil is and

582
00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:19,259
being in the circadian rhythm of

583
00:17:19,259 --> 00:17:21,460
life and eating local food and

584
00:17:21,460 --> 00:17:23,500
the coherency of local food and

585
00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:24,299
all of that.

586
00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:26,680
I hope that it inspires people

587
00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,740
to remember that there is more

588
00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:32,359
people than there is masters.

589
00:17:32,980 --> 00:17:34,779
And so we get to vote every time

590
00:17:34,779 --> 00:17:36,319
we spend our money and.

591
00:17:37,069 --> 00:17:38,750
there is these resilient

592
00:17:38,750 --> 00:17:40,410
communities in parts of this

593
00:17:40,410 --> 00:17:41,849
country and in parts of other

594
00:17:41,849 --> 00:17:42,649
countries,

595
00:17:42,730 --> 00:17:44,670
and there's largely non

596
00:17:44,670 --> 00:17:45,630
-resilient communities.

597
00:17:45,869 --> 00:17:47,869
And I want us to move back to

598
00:17:47,869 --> 00:17:49,049
more resiliency.

599
00:17:49,349 --> 00:17:50,569
And I was just talking about

600
00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:51,609
this with my husband yesterday,

601
00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:52,670
because he's

602
00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:55,150
Mexican and he's indigenous from

603
00:17:55,150 --> 00:17:55,950
Mexico.

604
00:17:55,829 --> 00:17:57,210
And someone called me last night

605
00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:59,190
and said somebody that I went to

606
00:17:59,190 --> 00:18:00,769
high school had died of a drug

607
00:18:00,769 --> 00:18:01,869
overdose. And

608
00:18:03,690 --> 00:18:04,809
I told

609
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,460
my husband and I

610
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,779
He said, that seems like you get

611
00:18:09,779 --> 00:18:11,299
that phone call all the time.

612
00:18:11,380 --> 00:18:13,180
And I said, it's been a lot.

613
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,380
And I tried to count and I

614
00:18:14,380 --> 00:18:15,700
actually couldn't remember all

615
00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:18,140
the people from my hometown that

616
00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:19,240
have died of a drug overdose.

617
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,240
And then if you add the people I

618
00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,420
know in Los Angeles from the

619
00:18:22,420 --> 00:18:24,259
time I lived there, and he's

620
00:18:24,259 --> 00:18:25,900
from this small indigenous

621
00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:26,960
village in Mexico.

622
00:18:27,380 --> 00:18:28,619
And he said, you know, I don't

623
00:18:28,619 --> 00:18:29,660
know anybody that died

624
00:18:30,069 --> 00:18:30,869
of

625
00:18:31,150 --> 00:18:32,069
a drug overdose.

626
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:33,470
And I said, you don't?

627
00:18:33,589 --> 00:18:35,130
And we got to talking and he

628
00:18:35,130 --> 00:18:36,230
said he knows one guy that

629
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:38,009
passed out drunk and died of

630
00:18:38,009 --> 00:18:39,910
smoke inhalation,

631
00:18:40,309 --> 00:18:42,349
but he doesn't have any body.

632
00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:44,200
And he said that it's just

633
00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,380
starting to creep into the

634
00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:46,180
villages.

635
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,279
But in Oaxaca, there's largely

636
00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:50,759
no government in the

637
00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:51,559
municipalities.

638
00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:54,019
It's all elders and

639
00:18:54,019 --> 00:18:57,099
patrols, men controlling the,

640
00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,240
you know, and it's all kind of

641
00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,039
social

642
00:19:02,089 --> 00:19:04,309
governance and not big

643
00:19:04,309 --> 00:19:05,950
government. And I thought it's

644
00:19:05,950 --> 00:19:06,890
very interesting.

645
00:19:07,069 --> 00:19:07,869
So I looked it up.

646
00:19:07,890 --> 00:19:09,349
We have a five thousand eight

647
00:19:09,349 --> 00:19:12,069
hundred times the death rate

648
00:19:12,069 --> 00:19:13,490
from drugs in the United States

649
00:19:13,490 --> 00:19:14,789
that they do in Mexico.

650
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,220
It's 31 people per 100 ,000

651
00:19:18,220 --> 00:19:19,019
here,

652
00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:19,839
and it's 0

653
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,900
.53 in Mexico,

654
00:19:23,299 --> 00:19:25,859
and 0 .71 in the urban areas of

655
00:19:25,859 --> 00:19:27,460
Mexico. So it's a little higher

656
00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:28,880
in the urban areas, but still

657
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:29,819
very, very low.

658
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,299
And so my point is that when the

659
00:19:32,299 --> 00:19:33,099
family

660
00:19:33,579 --> 00:19:35,759
So in these rural communities in

661
00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:36,559
Mexico,

662
00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:37,900
still largely governed by the

663
00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:38,700
community,

664
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:39,839
and it's still largely governed

665
00:19:39,839 --> 00:19:41,900
by the family unit, the mother,

666
00:19:42,019 --> 00:19:43,519
father, child as the foundation

667
00:19:43,519 --> 00:19:44,640
and the greater community

668
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,539
outside of that, that that

669
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,680
way of governance is the

670
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,680
greatest way of governance that

671
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,380
humanity has ever had.

672
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,480
And it is not a relic of the

673
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,500
past, but it is a reflection of

674
00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:57,880
what we need to get back to.

675
00:19:58,279 --> 00:19:59,079
And so

676
00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:00,740
Ultimately, I hope that we can

677
00:20:00,740 --> 00:20:02,740
get to more communal living,

678
00:20:03,339 --> 00:20:04,139
tribal,

679
00:20:04,099 --> 00:20:06,240
not tribal exactly, but living

680
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,559
in groups where our wealth is

681
00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:11,380
not measured by Bitcoin or

682
00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:14,029
dollars in the bank, but how

683
00:20:14,029 --> 00:20:14,829
many

684
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,019
people can come to our aid when

685
00:20:17,019 --> 00:20:18,700
something goes wrong and how

686
00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:21,259
many resources we have combined.

687
00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:22,500
And

688
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,299
that's what real value is.

689
00:20:25,380 --> 00:20:26,759
And that is what I would hope

690
00:20:27,849 --> 00:20:29,349
is the outcome of the book.

691
00:20:29,390 --> 00:20:30,589
And you might say, well, it's a

692
00:20:30,589 --> 00:20:31,970
weird outcome from what you're

693
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:32,769
talking about.

694
00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:34,890
But no, I don't think that's the

695
00:20:34,890 --> 00:20:36,869
natural way for us to be living.

696
00:20:37,789 --> 00:20:39,990
And I would say that this

697
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:41,029
weekend, you know, we're doing

698
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:42,509
this big festival and some

699
00:20:42,509 --> 00:20:43,710
people quit at the last minute.

700
00:20:43,890 --> 00:20:44,990
And people that haven't worked

701
00:20:44,990 --> 00:20:46,470
for me in a year showed up and

702
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:47,450
said they're going to work and

703
00:20:47,450 --> 00:20:48,650
called their friend who's an IT

704
00:20:48,650 --> 00:20:49,829
guy to fix this thing.

705
00:20:49,910 --> 00:20:52,789
And, you know, all that goodwill

706
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:54,390
and grace that I have in the

707
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:55,670
community from just

708
00:20:56,319 --> 00:20:57,980
Shows back up and that's more

709
00:20:57,980 --> 00:20:59,900
valuable than money.

710
00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:02,950
You know, there are

711
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:04,159
political

712
00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:07,819
elements to what you've written

713
00:21:07,819 --> 00:21:09,769
about in your book only largely

714
00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:11,859
because. so many of these issues

715
00:21:11,859 --> 00:21:13,740
and these stories have become

716
00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:15,359
politicized over the last decade

717
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,159
or two.

718
00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:18,680
But there is this element

719
00:21:19,349 --> 00:21:20,309
of

720
00:21:20,910 --> 00:21:22,809
being on the conservative end of

721
00:21:22,809 --> 00:21:24,349
the spectrum at its very

722
00:21:24,349 --> 00:21:25,149
foundation.

723
00:21:26,009 --> 00:21:26,809
Part

724
00:21:27,019 --> 00:21:28,680
of being a conservative is that

725
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,480
there are

726
00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:32,960
values and morals and things

727
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,880
that you have a desire to

728
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,680
conserve.

729
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,660
There is a desire to conserve

730
00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:38,799
things and preserve them for the

731
00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:39,599
future.

732
00:21:40,819 --> 00:21:41,619
And

733
00:21:41,299 --> 00:21:43,740
perhaps I shouldn't have framed

734
00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:44,920
this question quite in this way,

735
00:21:45,019 --> 00:21:46,680
but I'll just ask it from a very

736
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,500
open perspective.

737
00:21:48,259 --> 00:21:49,339
What are the things...

738
00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:50,460
I love your title.

739
00:21:50,619 --> 00:21:52,140
I love the title, Debunked by

740
00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:53,359
Nature, because I think if we

741
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,599
went back to the foundational

742
00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:57,579
spiritual principles that are

743
00:21:57,890 --> 00:21:59,589
evidenced in nature, that are

744
00:21:59,589 --> 00:22:00,509
displayed in nature

745
00:22:01,109 --> 00:22:02,369
as God's creation,

746
00:22:03,099 --> 00:22:03,899
then

747
00:22:06,019 --> 00:22:07,160
I just lost my train of thought.

748
00:22:07,220 --> 00:22:08,099
What was my question going to?

749
00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:09,259
Oh, my question was going to be

750
00:22:09,259 --> 00:22:11,559
with that with that title and

751
00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:12,480
with some of the things that

752
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,279
you've written about.

753
00:22:13,859 --> 00:22:15,019
Oh, what is it that you want

754
00:22:15,019 --> 00:22:16,500
people to know about the book?

755
00:22:19,059 --> 00:22:21,289
That I'm totally honest, that

756
00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:24,279
I share exactly where I was and

757
00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:26,599
how I got to where I am.

758
00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:28,269
And when

759
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,720
I say Mother Nature is

760
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,240
conservative, I in the byline of

761
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,720
the book, I do mean that in the

762
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,660
sense that there is things that

763
00:22:38,660 --> 00:22:40,019
want to be conserved, that

764
00:22:40,019 --> 00:22:41,559
nature is always healing itself.

765
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,200
It's always trying to get back

766
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,779
to a homeostasis.

767
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:47,539
And so I don't mean like

768
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:50,269
nature is Trump Vance.

769
00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:51,630
That's not what I mean.

770
00:22:53,650 --> 00:22:56,069
I don't think nature cares one

771
00:22:56,069 --> 00:22:56,869
bit.

772
00:22:57,579 --> 00:22:59,700
What I mean is there

773
00:23:01,390 --> 00:23:03,049
is ways that are just

774
00:23:03,650 --> 00:23:06,029
foundationally positive of God's

775
00:23:06,029 --> 00:23:08,369
design that we can see in

776
00:23:08,369 --> 00:23:09,169
nature.

777
00:23:09,349 --> 00:23:10,690
And when we're being told

778
00:23:10,690 --> 00:23:11,650
things,

779
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:14,269
socialism makes no sense in

780
00:23:14,269 --> 00:23:15,410
nature. I mean, if you were to

781
00:23:15,410 --> 00:23:16,990
take socialism and it doesn't,

782
00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:18,549
you never see your cows being

783
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:19,349
like, you know what?

784
00:23:19,869 --> 00:23:20,750
I really think I should be

785
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:22,690
sharing my grass with the

786
00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:23,509
neighbor's cows.

787
00:23:23,650 --> 00:23:25,190
He's over grazing down there.

788
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:26,670
We should break the fence in and

789
00:23:26,670 --> 00:23:27,910
let them come in.

790
00:23:28,170 --> 00:23:29,950
This is not how it works.

791
00:23:30,970 --> 00:23:33,170
trees do plant share information

792
00:23:33,170 --> 00:23:35,730
share food underground yes and

793
00:23:35,730 --> 00:23:37,569
that's like all for the benefit

794
00:23:37,569 --> 00:23:39,730
of the whole and but

795
00:23:40,579 --> 00:23:42,460
it is in all of us to have

796
00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:44,380
survival and not to be selfish

797
00:23:44,380 --> 00:23:45,900
or that we should be narcissists

798
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:47,420
or selfish or whatever but you

799
00:23:47,420 --> 00:23:49,259
can look that everything is

800
00:23:49,259 --> 00:23:51,400
going to want to survive and so

801
00:23:52,019 --> 00:23:53,920
this idea that we shouldn't,

802
00:23:54,059 --> 00:23:55,519
that like survival of the

803
00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:56,819
fittest or wanting to be strong

804
00:23:56,819 --> 00:23:58,460
or wanting to be successful or

805
00:23:58,460 --> 00:24:00,359
wanting to be entrepreneurial is

806
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,880
bad. I think it's in nature.

807
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,339
It's in us to want to do that.

808
00:24:05,660 --> 00:24:06,460
And that doesn't,

809
00:24:08,059 --> 00:24:11,059
it's not in us to want to do,

810
00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:12,480
some people get hard jobs and

811
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,640
some people get easy jobs and

812
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,799
everybody gets paid the exact

813
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:15,799
same amount. That's not,

814
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,159
it's not,

815
00:24:17,670 --> 00:24:18,470
it doesn't make any sense.

816
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:19,700
Yeah, exactly.

817
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,980
When you look at plants and the

818
00:24:20,980 --> 00:24:22,200
way that they share information

819
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,480
and that they share resources,

820
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,480
plant communities, microbial

821
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,539
communities and so forth.

822
00:24:26,779 --> 00:24:27,579
And and

823
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,339
one of the foundational aspects

824
00:24:30,339 --> 00:24:31,559
of that

825
00:24:32,769 --> 00:24:33,990
image is

826
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,000
that they are all producers.

827
00:24:37,230 --> 00:24:38,029
Yes.

828
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,519
You don't just you don't just

829
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:41,940
get to just consume

830
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:44,480
without producing in a natural

831
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,980
ecosystem and expect to survive

832
00:24:45,980 --> 00:24:46,779
in the long term.

833
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,599
No. And that's the craziest

834
00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:50,140
thing when people say, I just

835
00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:51,539
got an argument with someone on

836
00:24:51,539 --> 00:24:52,339
Instagram the other day.

837
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,159
They're like,

838
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,440
Do you think that people's

839
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,079
income should be directly

840
00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:58,640
related to their outcome?

841
00:24:58,740 --> 00:24:59,579
And I was like, yes.

842
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,519
And I was like, do you think the

843
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:06,380
person that is greeting people

844
00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:08,319
at Walmart gets paid the same as

845
00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:09,119
the CEO?

846
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,099
No, because they're

847
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,440
like, if that greeter was gone,

848
00:25:12,859 --> 00:25:14,460
I largely think that greeter job

849
00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:16,059
is a kindness to give people

850
00:25:16,059 --> 00:25:16,859
jobs that

851
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,740
can't otherwise work at another

852
00:25:18,740 --> 00:25:19,539
job.

853
00:25:19,579 --> 00:25:22,000
So this is not, it's not, it's

854
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,259
not an integral part of the

855
00:25:23,259 --> 00:25:25,140
whole thing. If the CEO is gone,

856
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,440
then things are going to start

857
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,039
to fall apart. And this idea

858
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:30,319
that, and then this person said,

859
00:25:30,420 --> 00:25:31,339
well, every, you believe

860
00:25:31,339 --> 00:25:32,700
everybody was made in God's

861
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:33,500
image and everybody,

862
00:25:34,099 --> 00:25:36,259
yes, in God's eyes, everybody is

863
00:25:36,259 --> 00:25:38,000
of equal value, but you can't

864
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,440
expect the owner of a business

865
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,200
who's trying to support their

866
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,400
family to pay every single

867
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,200
person.

868
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,519
Even when we say diversity in

869
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:46,519
our culture, we mean,

870
00:25:46,869 --> 00:25:48,670
diversity in the way you make

871
00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:51,730
love or in the way that you

872
00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:55,130
identify as your gender or the

873
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:56,490
color or how much melanin you

874
00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:57,289
have in your skin.

875
00:25:57,450 --> 00:25:59,289
But those people can do those

876
00:25:59,289 --> 00:26:00,930
things, but largely agree on

877
00:26:00,930 --> 00:26:02,109
everything else and have the

878
00:26:02,109 --> 00:26:02,990
same ideas.

879
00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:04,809
So they're not a diversity of

880
00:26:04,809 --> 00:26:05,609
function.

881
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:06,890
They're just a diversity of like

882
00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:07,690
on

883
00:26:08,660 --> 00:26:09,460
the outside.

884
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,619
And so for me, true diversity

885
00:26:11,619 --> 00:26:14,299
like exists in nature is all

886
00:26:14,299 --> 00:26:15,259
these different things,

887
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:16,680
different species, different

888
00:26:16,829 --> 00:26:18,329
plants, different things.

889
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:19,859
all together

890
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,740
functioning for themselves and

891
00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:24,579
for each other.

892
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:28,809
Molly, where can people find

893
00:26:28,809 --> 00:26:29,609
your book?

894
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,759
You can go to debunked by nature

895
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:32,559
dot com.

896
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,880
You could go to Acres website

897
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,599
because Acres published my book

898
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:39,240
or you could go to Amazon.

899
00:26:39,869 --> 00:26:42,069
I know people hate Amazon, but I

900
00:26:42,069 --> 00:26:43,670
know people love free shipping.

901
00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:47,900
So people like free shipping

902
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:49,339
more than they hate Amazon.

903
00:26:49,539 --> 00:26:51,440
That is what I know about life.

904
00:26:53,299 --> 00:26:55,119
And so and I also.

905
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:56,809
write for Epoch Times like three

906
00:26:56,809 --> 00:26:58,589
times a week if people want to

907
00:26:58,589 --> 00:27:00,869
hear my weekly rants about

908
00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:02,630
whatever I think about is going

909
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:03,430
on in the world.

910
00:27:03,849 --> 00:27:05,230
You can find me in the opinion

911
00:27:05,230 --> 00:27:07,289
section of Epoch Times every

912
00:27:07,509 --> 00:27:08,970
week.

913
00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:11,200
But can I ask you a question?

914
00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:13,289
That was the first one.

915
00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:15,930
OK, can I ask you?

916
00:27:15,930 --> 00:27:16,990
I'm going to ask you.

917
00:27:17,549 --> 00:27:18,349
So

918
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:19,819
I have an idea.

919
00:27:20,299 --> 00:27:21,779
So do you know what Oakville is?

920
00:27:22,829 --> 00:27:23,629
Yes.

921
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,420
Okay, so you know there's oak

922
00:27:25,420 --> 00:27:26,880
wilt going on like crazy in the

923
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,720
hill country of Texas.

924
00:27:29,289 --> 00:27:31,529
So I have a theory and I have

925
00:27:31,529 --> 00:27:33,490
some preliminary evidence that

926
00:27:33,490 --> 00:27:35,009
my theory could be correct, but

927
00:27:35,009 --> 00:27:36,569
I want to run my theory by you.

928
00:27:37,089 --> 00:27:38,710
So oak wilt is happening in all

929
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:40,630
these areas with highly alkaline

930
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:41,430
soil,

931
00:27:41,549 --> 00:27:42,849
very little ground cover.

932
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:44,690
It's mostly these trees are

933
00:27:44,690 --> 00:27:47,269
growing in just limestone or

934
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:48,730
caliche as we call it, like

935
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:49,529
crushed up.

936
00:27:50,619 --> 00:27:51,559
And so I

937
00:27:52,009 --> 00:27:54,049
put six inches of just regular

938
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:55,529
mulch from the cedar trees,

939
00:27:55,609 --> 00:27:56,730
which are really juniper ash.

940
00:27:56,869 --> 00:27:57,970
But here in Texas, if you call

941
00:27:57,970 --> 00:27:59,150
them juniper ash, they look at

942
00:27:59,150 --> 00:28:00,289
you like you're an alien.

943
00:28:00,569 --> 00:28:01,849
So cedar trees

944
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,059
mulch down and it's largely

945
00:28:05,059 --> 00:28:06,869
reversing oak wilt.

946
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:08,450
And so I have a theory that

947
00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:09,430
there's oak wilt,

948
00:28:09,769 --> 00:28:11,609
there's not enough diversity of

949
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,420
And so one thing is taking over

950
00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:20,079
and that is why the oak will is

951
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:21,980
happening because I and I think

952
00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:23,299
when I'm bringing up the fungal

953
00:28:23,299 --> 00:28:25,720
load by adding 6 to 8 inches of

954
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,960
mulch and

955
00:28:27,299 --> 00:28:29,460
then watering, it is reversing

956
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:30,259
in two years.

957
00:28:30,730 --> 00:28:31,930
Totally. You can't even tell the

958
00:28:31,930 --> 00:28:34,410
trees had Oakville and I think

959
00:28:34,410 --> 00:28:36,529
that that is reversing Oakville.

960
00:28:36,730 --> 00:28:37,730
But everybody's like you.

961
00:28:37,869 --> 00:28:38,809
If you could just reverse

962
00:28:38,809 --> 00:28:40,150
Oakville with doing that, then

963
00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:41,170
everybody would doing that.

964
00:28:41,230 --> 00:28:42,029
And I'm like, well,

965
00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:45,059
Okay, I don't

966
00:28:45,630 --> 00:28:46,430
know if anybody else has tried

967
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:47,650
it, but now I didn't take

968
00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:48,450
pictures at the beginning.

969
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:49,430
It was literally just.

970
00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:51,700
the realtor said, you're going

971
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:52,599
to have to take out these trees.

972
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,539
They're almost dead.

973
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:54,980
They were really bad shape.

974
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:56,140
And I was like, well, they're

975
00:28:56,140 --> 00:28:57,420
giving me the littlest bit of

976
00:28:57,420 --> 00:28:59,480
shade at the late afternoon sun.

977
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,019
So I planted pecan trees

978
00:29:01,019 --> 00:29:01,819
underneath them.

979
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:02,819
And I thought, we'll just leave

980
00:29:02,819 --> 00:29:04,859
them here until the pecan trees

981
00:29:04,859 --> 00:29:05,779
get a little bit bigger.

982
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:07,380
And that was my plan.

983
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,039
But I put down a bunch of mulch

984
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,900
and water because I planted the

985
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:11,700
pecan trees.

986
00:29:12,670 --> 00:29:14,529
And now you can't even tell that

987
00:29:14,529 --> 00:29:15,450
they ever had oakwill.

988
00:29:15,569 --> 00:29:16,809
They're just totally shade,

989
00:29:16,990 --> 00:29:18,509
totally filled in, totally

990
00:29:18,509 --> 00:29:19,309
beautiful.

991
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:20,809
And then the other one that's

992
00:29:20,809 --> 00:29:22,349
like the best looking tree on my

993
00:29:22,349 --> 00:29:23,549
property is next to where the

994
00:29:23,549 --> 00:29:24,910
guys drop all the mulch.

995
00:29:25,009 --> 00:29:26,049
You know, the trucks come and

996
00:29:26,049 --> 00:29:27,309
drop the mulch on my property.

997
00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:30,130
And this one is totally healed

998
00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:30,930
as well.

999
00:29:31,109 --> 00:29:33,089
So now I want to go and I look

1000
00:29:33,089 --> 00:29:34,549
on my property and all the most

1001
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:36,269
sick trees are in the most

1002
00:29:36,269 --> 00:29:38,109
caliche soil, no ground cover,

1003
00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:39,210
just white

1004
00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:40,220
soil.

1005
00:29:40,299 --> 00:29:42,319
So I think I want to try this

1006
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,660
and take photos and document it

1007
00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:45,980
is my next, I'm trying to get

1008
00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:46,779
some,

1009
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,559
trying to get a TCQ permit so I

1010
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:49,960
can get all this mulch from the

1011
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,299
floods. I'm in Kerr County where

1012
00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:52,460
all those floods just happened.

1013
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,559
And I'm trying to see if I could

1014
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,720
just put six to eight inches of

1015
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,059
mulch a couple times a year.

1016
00:29:58,180 --> 00:29:59,880
And if I could reverse oat will.

1017
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:01,480
So what do you think of this

1018
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,279
theory?

1019
00:30:03,339 --> 00:30:04,139
Well, it doesn't really matter

1020
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:04,879
what I think.

1021
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:05,680
It sounds like you already have

1022
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,920
some preliminary evidence that's

1023
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,720
worth pursuing.

1024
00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:09,470
Yes, I do. But I don't know if

1025
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:11,890
you know the science, but I just

1026
00:30:11,890 --> 00:30:12,690
don't.

1027
00:30:13,019 --> 00:30:13,819
Well,

1028
00:30:13,779 --> 00:30:14,980
any time, you know, it's

1029
00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:18,880
once you start digging into

1030
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,700
the multitude of possible

1031
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:24,140
interactions and synergistic

1032
00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:25,880
effects that a health and a

1033
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,700
functioning microbiome can have.

1034
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,920
I mean, look, the reality is,

1035
00:30:30,670 --> 00:30:31,470
well,

1036
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:33,740
you go to citrus greening and

1037
00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:34,539
citrus in Florida.

1038
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,960
As an example, here we have a

1039
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,799
bacterial infection of a plant's

1040
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:39,599
vascular tissue.

1041
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:41,119
And they're now

1042
00:30:43,059 --> 00:30:44,480
one of the more recent

1043
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,279
innovations

1044
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,400
and I use the word innovations

1045
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,200
loosely here,

1046
00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:50,490
is they're injecting antibiotics

1047
00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:51,569
into the tree trunks.

1048
00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:54,769
And okay,

1049
00:30:55,710 --> 00:30:56,789
let's pause and ask for a

1050
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:57,849
second, where do antibiotics

1051
00:30:57,849 --> 00:30:58,649
come from?

1052
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,180
They come from fungus in the

1053
00:31:03,180 --> 00:31:03,980
soil.

1054
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,950
And what type

1055
00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:11,269
of microbes are oak

1056
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:12,670
trees particularly dependent on?

1057
00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:14,279
They're dependent on fungus.

1058
00:31:14,809 --> 00:31:16,670
They thrive in a fungal dominant

1059
00:31:16,670 --> 00:31:18,190
system, which by the way, is

1060
00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:19,789
very challenged in

1061
00:31:20,099 --> 00:31:22,299
an oxidized calcareous soil,

1062
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:23,500
such as the ones that you have.

1063
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:25,319
And so

1064
00:31:25,450 --> 00:31:28,880
there are dozens of possible,

1065
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,400
probably hundreds or maybe even

1066
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,380
thousands of possible mechanisms

1067
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:33,720
and modes of action of different

1068
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,619
things that could be

1069
00:31:34,619 --> 00:31:35,419
contributing to that

1070
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,200
regeneration.

1071
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,240
The reality is,

1072
00:31:39,130 --> 00:31:41,210
We could spend a lot of time

1073
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:42,349
trying to identify them and

1074
00:31:42,349 --> 00:31:44,089
understand them, or we can just

1075
00:31:44,089 --> 00:31:45,750
go ahead with a cultural

1076
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,670
practice that has observed to

1077
00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:48,549
bring results,

1078
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:50,289
try to measure and document

1079
00:31:50,289 --> 00:31:52,329
those results and say, here's

1080
00:31:52,329 --> 00:31:53,329
what we did and here's what

1081
00:31:53,329 --> 00:31:54,129
worked.

1082
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:55,009
And

1083
00:31:54,990 --> 00:31:57,710
let the research catch up with

1084
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:59,630
the practical application, which

1085
00:31:59,630 --> 00:32:00,849
seems to be the recurring

1086
00:32:00,849 --> 00:32:02,650
pattern in the most innovative

1087
00:32:02,829 --> 00:32:04,230
landscape stewards.

1088
00:32:05,049 --> 00:32:06,250
Yeah, and I'm seeing it.

1089
00:32:06,349 --> 00:32:07,609
I think it's everywhere, not

1090
00:32:07,609 --> 00:32:09,390
just on the oak trees.

1091
00:32:10,619 --> 00:32:13,099
bale grazed last year on my

1092
00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:15,059
fields because there was little

1093
00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:16,839
to no rain last winter.

1094
00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:19,200
And so you can see where the

1095
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,299
round bales were.

1096
00:32:21,059 --> 00:32:22,279
Right now, the swergum is like

1097
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,650
as tall as I am and been grazed

1098
00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:25,769
once or twice already,

1099
00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:27,730
but it's that tall.

1100
00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:29,309
And everywhere else, it's like

1101
00:32:29,309 --> 00:32:31,549
calf, ankle, knee high,

1102
00:32:31,630 --> 00:32:32,430
wherever.

1103
00:32:32,589 --> 00:32:34,230
And it's not even like, oh,

1104
00:32:34,329 --> 00:32:35,129
well,

1105
00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:36,990
I was feeding swergum hay, so

1106
00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:38,630
it's extra seeds got dropped in

1107
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:40,150
that area because I was feeding

1108
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:41,299
grass.

1109
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:42,259
So

1110
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:45,049
just the residue of the circle

1111
00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:46,849
where the bale was, just that

1112
00:32:46,849 --> 00:32:50,150
carbon being left on the soil

1113
00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:52,730
has these circles on my whole

1114
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:53,529
field.

1115
00:32:53,809 --> 00:32:56,109
that the hay is as tall as me

1116
00:32:56,109 --> 00:32:57,730
versus below my knee.

1117
00:32:58,349 --> 00:33:00,509
And so my thought, and I don't

1118
00:33:00,509 --> 00:33:02,069
know the economics and that's

1119
00:33:02,069 --> 00:33:03,630
why I want to try to get all the

1120
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:06,390
waste from the river flooding if

1121
00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:08,349
I can get that carbon.

1122
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:11,220
But I think just putting a

1123
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:13,859
little bit of carbon on my

1124
00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:15,359
fields is going to be far more

1125
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,079
useful than any kind of

1126
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:19,200
application of nitrogen

1127
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,640
fertilizer or manure because I

1128
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,869
have done that.

1129
00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:24,930
I've done manure, I've done this

1130
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:26,210
and seen very little to no

1131
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:27,589
results. But you can literally

1132
00:33:27,589 --> 00:33:29,529
see these circles exactly the

1133
00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:31,529
size of the round bales all the

1134
00:33:31,529 --> 00:33:33,170
way across my field where the

1135
00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:34,109
hay is so tall.

1136
00:33:34,390 --> 00:33:35,269
And so I

1137
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:36,740
don't know, but

1138
00:33:37,049 --> 00:33:38,509
I think it's the same kind of

1139
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:39,390
thing that's happening with the

1140
00:33:39,390 --> 00:33:40,490
oak trees. And I want to figure

1141
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:43,029
out how can I get enough hay or

1142
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:45,650
wood chips to cover the whole

1143
00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:46,450
field.

1144
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:47,789
I also had this dead spot we

1145
00:33:47,789 --> 00:33:49,589
couldn't heal where water was

1146
00:33:49,589 --> 00:33:50,410
just sitting.

1147
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,539
And I put six inches of mulch

1148
00:33:53,539 --> 00:33:54,339
there.

1149
00:33:54,349 --> 00:33:56,289
It was like dead pan water would

1150
00:33:56,289 --> 00:33:58,650
not go down into it and there

1151
00:33:58,650 --> 00:34:00,269
would not nothing was happening

1152
00:34:00,269 --> 00:34:01,789
and and nothing was growing

1153
00:34:01,789 --> 00:34:02,589
because it was just like

1154
00:34:02,529 --> 00:34:04,049
concrete. Basically, it was

1155
00:34:04,049 --> 00:34:06,529
like. Mud puddle that would last

1156
00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:08,630
very long time and then concrete

1157
00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:11,170
once it was dried and I put wood

1158
00:34:11,170 --> 00:34:13,030
chips there and Bermuda grass

1159
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:14,070
filled in over it.

1160
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:16,940
In a matter of 5 weeks, even

1161
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:17,800
though there's barely any

1162
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,000
burrito grass in that field.

1163
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,300
And so I think there's plenty of

1164
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:22,400
nitrogen in my soil.

1165
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,780
There's just no fungal load to

1166
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:25,580
make it available.

1167
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:27,239
And that's my observation, not

1168
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,739
like a fact or whatever, but

1169
00:34:28,739 --> 00:34:30,400
that's what I'm noticing is that

1170
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,440
what we need here in this soil

1171
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,039
is is any kind of organic

1172
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:35,840
fertilizer.

1173
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,760
that's just desperate for

1174
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,599
organic matter.

1175
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:39,639
Well, I want to ask you about

1176
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,960
the bale grazing, just so that I

1177
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,800
understand it clearly.

1178
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:44,989
You're saying right where the

1179
00:34:44,989 --> 00:34:45,789
circle,

1180
00:34:45,769 --> 00:34:47,510
where the hay bale is, you're

1181
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:48,809
having this response.

1182
00:34:49,539 --> 00:34:50,900
Is it in that immediate, like,

1183
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,159
is it a five foot diameter

1184
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,940
circle or is it all of the area

1185
00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:54,900
surrounding that where the

1186
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:55,820
livestock were trampling?

1187
00:34:56,139 --> 00:34:59,159
Just like the five or six foot

1188
00:34:59,159 --> 00:34:59,960
circle.

1189
00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:01,580
Really,

1190
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,200
that is intriguing.

1191
00:35:02,619 --> 00:35:04,320
I'll take a picture for you and

1192
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,120
text it to you.

1193
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:07,699
What is interesting in your

1194
00:35:07,699 --> 00:35:08,579
caliche soils,

1195
00:35:10,469 --> 00:35:11,269
it was just

1196
00:35:11,429 --> 00:35:12,530
an interesting conversation,

1197
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:13,570
serendipitous conversation,

1198
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:14,849
because I was just writing an

1199
00:35:14,849 --> 00:35:16,030
article about this in response

1200
00:35:16,030 --> 00:35:17,289
to a number of different

1201
00:35:17,289 --> 00:35:18,150
questions that I received.

1202
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:19,150
But

1203
00:35:19,139 --> 00:35:21,300
anytime we have soils that have

1204
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:22,980
high levels of carbonates or

1205
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:24,280
bicarbonates and so forth, there

1206
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,080
is

1207
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:26,929
this idea that in order to

1208
00:35:26,929 --> 00:35:28,570
regulate pH, we have to acidify

1209
00:35:28,570 --> 00:35:29,370
the soil.

1210
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:30,740
And

1211
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,300
Of course, acidifying the soil

1212
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:33,800
with a chemistry approach

1213
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,199
requires a very expensive

1214
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,210
sledgehammer and a very big one

1215
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:39,750
as well with elemental sulfur

1216
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:41,070
applications or what have you.

1217
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,380
And the approach that you're

1218
00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:45,599
describing underneath the oak

1219
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:46,400
trees

1220
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:48,389
and possibly also with the hay

1221
00:35:48,389 --> 00:35:50,070
mulch residue is when you have

1222
00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:50,870
an

1223
00:35:51,909 --> 00:35:53,809
availability of food source

1224
00:35:53,809 --> 00:35:54,610
carbon

1225
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:56,579
that fungal populations can

1226
00:35:56,579 --> 00:35:57,400
begin to thrive.

1227
00:35:58,289 --> 00:36:00,050
Fungal populations produce

1228
00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:02,230
substantial quantities of acids.

1229
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:07,369
They convert high carbon residue

1230
00:36:07,369 --> 00:36:08,170
into,

1231
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,300
you could almost think of them

1232
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:11,420
as being an acid generator,

1233
00:36:11,949 --> 00:36:13,289
if that is what the environment

1234
00:36:13,289 --> 00:36:14,590
requires for them to thrive.

1235
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,080
And in this environment,

1236
00:36:16,460 --> 00:36:17,360
that is what the environment

1237
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,460
requires for them to thrive.

1238
00:36:18,619 --> 00:36:19,840
So they generate a lot of acid

1239
00:36:20,539 --> 00:36:22,610
and create a lot of acidity,

1240
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:25,079
which creates a pathway for lots

1241
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:26,280
of nitrogen fixation and other

1242
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,260
types of microbial activity.

1243
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,039
So you can generate nitrogen by

1244
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:30,840
producing acid.

1245
00:36:30,739 --> 00:36:32,239
levels of carbon in the type of

1246
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,039
environment that you're

1247
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:33,820
describing and in many other

1248
00:36:33,820 --> 00:36:34,719
environments for that matter.

1249
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,099
And you can see it in the people

1250
00:36:37,099 --> 00:36:38,000
that clear cut.

1251
00:36:38,619 --> 00:36:39,599
You'll be like, wow, why does

1252
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:40,739
their grass look so good?

1253
00:36:40,780 --> 00:36:42,989
And you realize they clear cut a

1254
00:36:42,989 --> 00:36:44,590
cedar forest and

1255
00:36:45,210 --> 00:36:47,849
just had it all shredded down.

1256
00:36:48,329 --> 00:36:49,469
And so the reason that their

1257
00:36:49,469 --> 00:36:51,050
grass looks so thick compared

1258
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:53,750
to, say, my grass is that it has

1259
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:55,690
all that carbon.

1260
00:36:55,949 --> 00:36:57,949
And so I totally agree with it.

1261
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:59,710
And in California, it totally

1262
00:36:59,710 --> 00:37:01,010
was different. If I had put the

1263
00:37:01,010 --> 00:37:02,969
amount of mulch that I can put

1264
00:37:02,969 --> 00:37:05,250
here, like wood chips on

1265
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:06,969
anything, it would steal from

1266
00:37:06,969 --> 00:37:08,010
the plants and the plants would

1267
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:08,810
turn yellow.

1268
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:10,170
But in this environment,

1269
00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:12,789
it seems that the soil just, the

1270
00:37:12,789 --> 00:37:13,590
more

1271
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,500
carbon I can put on top of the

1272
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:17,300
soil,

1273
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,599
the better the plants are doing,

1274
00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:20,380
which is a totally different

1275
00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:21,679
thing to what would be happening

1276
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,119
in California if I'd put that

1277
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:23,920
much

1278
00:37:23,969 --> 00:37:25,489
wood chip mulch, it would steal

1279
00:37:25,489 --> 00:37:26,750
carbon, it would steal nitrogen

1280
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:28,349
from the plants, and it would be

1281
00:37:28,349 --> 00:37:29,949
a totally different thing.

1282
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:31,030
And that's why I think it does

1283
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:31,949
have to do with what you're

1284
00:37:31,949 --> 00:37:33,909
saying is the acidity and that.

1285
00:37:34,309 --> 00:37:35,809
And everybody here told me when

1286
00:37:35,809 --> 00:37:37,269
I moved here, don't put cedar

1287
00:37:37,269 --> 00:37:38,789
chips, don't put juniper chips.

1288
00:37:38,949 --> 00:37:40,369
It's going to kill everything.

1289
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:42,150
And I was like, so weird.

1290
00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:43,690
Why would God make this thing

1291
00:37:43,690 --> 00:37:44,750
that comes into this arid

1292
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:46,309
environment and grows

1293
00:37:46,309 --> 00:37:48,530
everywhere? If it drops its

1294
00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:50,190
needles, I look underneath the

1295
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:51,150
juniper trees and there's

1296
00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:54,010
like this much black soil on top

1297
00:37:54,010 --> 00:37:54,810
of rock.

1298
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:58,480
Can't imagine God would design

1299
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,579
this thing that would kill my

1300
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:01,639
planes. Just chip it up and see

1301
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:02,679
what happens.

1302
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,860
But there's a lot of folklore

1303
00:38:05,860 --> 00:38:06,860
about the cedar,

1304
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:08,739
like, oh, if you cook pizza with

1305
00:38:08,739 --> 00:38:09,539
it, you're going to die.

1306
00:38:09,579 --> 00:38:10,719
It's poison you or whatever,

1307
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,960
like all these things.

1308
00:38:12,059 --> 00:38:12,860
And

1309
00:38:12,579 --> 00:38:13,559
we were ignorant.

1310
00:38:13,579 --> 00:38:14,619
And we had already been cooking,

1311
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,480
making pizza and bread in our

1312
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,519
bread oven with the juniper ash

1313
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:20,139
when we were told it was that

1314
00:38:20,139 --> 00:38:21,099
you couldn't do it.

1315
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,780
And as it turns out, it's

1316
00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:25,280
totally fine. You can totally do

1317
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,080
it.

1318
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:27,300
It's not ideal because it burns

1319
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:28,679
fast. It's very good wood

1320
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:29,480
starter.

1321
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:30,820
It's very good oven starter.

1322
00:38:31,059 --> 00:38:32,719
It's not very good like coals,

1323
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,420
long lasting coals.

1324
00:38:35,849 --> 00:38:37,130
But yeah, it's interesting

1325
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:37,930
because

1326
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:39,619
it's that kind of ideas where

1327
00:38:39,619 --> 00:38:40,739
we're so disconnected from

1328
00:38:40,739 --> 00:38:41,920
nature where you're looking at

1329
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,619
these white cliffs and the only

1330
00:38:43,619 --> 00:38:45,300
thing that's growing on them is

1331
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:46,920
these juniper ash and then

1332
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,139
you're looking right below and

1333
00:38:48,139 --> 00:38:50,199
the mulch that's being dropped

1334
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,739
from those cedar needles and

1335
00:38:52,739 --> 00:38:54,449
you're saying and it's this

1336
00:38:54,449 --> 00:38:56,989
beautiful black mulch soil

1337
00:38:56,989 --> 00:38:58,710
decomposing under those trees

1338
00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:00,030
and then people are saying oh

1339
00:39:00,030 --> 00:39:01,530
it's very bad for your garden.

1340
00:39:03,110 --> 00:39:03,910
Okay,

1341
00:39:04,090 --> 00:39:05,429
seems very good.

1342
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:06,869
It's making soil on top of a

1343
00:39:06,869 --> 00:39:09,369
white rock shelf that nothing

1344
00:39:09,369 --> 00:39:10,210
else is on.

1345
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:11,960
Well, the key to what you're

1346
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,440
describing is actually observing

1347
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,820
and paying attention to what it

1348
00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:16,639
is that you're looking at,

1349
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,880
seeing what you look at.

1350
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,720
It is.

1351
00:39:21,059 --> 00:39:22,559
And we don't. We don't.

1352
00:39:22,659 --> 00:39:24,360
And I've made those mistakes

1353
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,160
too. I've

1354
00:39:25,690 --> 00:39:27,610
I've made an assumption, like, I

1355
00:39:27,610 --> 00:39:29,769
planted 40 ,000 dollars worth of

1356
00:39:29,769 --> 00:39:31,590
pecans in a field because there

1357
00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:32,769
was pecans growing around the

1358
00:39:32,769 --> 00:39:34,150
edges, wild pecans that seem

1359
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:34,950
prolific.

1360
00:39:34,989 --> 00:39:36,269
Great. I'm going to plant pecans

1361
00:39:36,269 --> 00:39:37,070
here.

1362
00:39:38,059 --> 00:39:39,440
The truth is the way that that

1363
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,420
field slopes.

1364
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,079
Those pecans in the gullies

1365
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:45,780
around the edges are totally

1366
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:47,000
fine on the field.

1367
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,260
There's just not enough rain

1368
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:50,820
here. And so I lost 40 ,000

1369
00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:51,900
dollars worth of pecans and we

1370
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,019
had 100 days, over 100, even

1371
00:39:54,019 --> 00:39:54,820
with irrigation,

1372
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:56,940
those young pecans couldn't

1373
00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:57,740
survive.

1374
00:39:58,019 --> 00:39:58,820
And people are like, oh, well,

1375
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,239
it was just an anomaly.

1376
00:40:00,889 --> 00:40:01,989
Well, no, I wasn't actually

1377
00:40:01,989 --> 00:40:03,909
being that observant and seeing

1378
00:40:03,909 --> 00:40:04,710
that.

1379
00:40:04,789 --> 00:40:07,550
The field is was pretty arid and

1380
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:10,250
not that much grass growing on

1381
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:11,550
the whole high side of that

1382
00:40:11,550 --> 00:40:13,329
orchard. And on the whole low

1383
00:40:13,329 --> 00:40:15,010
side, there's Bermuda grass and

1384
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:16,110
there's a lot of

1385
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:18,300
pecans growing, but it's all in

1386
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:19,300
this area. That's collecting

1387
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,179
water and. off of a greater

1388
00:40:21,179 --> 00:40:21,980
watershed.

1389
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,179
And so I didn't then replant all

1390
00:40:25,179 --> 00:40:27,739
those pecans. I put in Asian

1391
00:40:27,739 --> 00:40:29,539
pears and peaches and things

1392
00:40:29,539 --> 00:40:31,320
that are doing better in this

1393
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,199
environment with less water.

1394
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:35,380
But even I've been,

1395
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,139
yeah, made mistakes,

1396
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:41,079
ego -driven mistakes where I'm

1397
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:43,099
just like, looks like not really

1398
00:40:43,099 --> 00:40:44,820
observing kind of

1399
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,400
I don't know, like observing on

1400
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,739
the outside, but not looking

1401
00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:50,619
deeper than,

1402
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:52,789
oh, I see pecans, plant pecans.

1403
00:40:52,989 --> 00:40:53,789
Like, well,

1404
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:54,949
actually the environment from,

1405
00:40:55,429 --> 00:40:56,590
at least on my property here in

1406
00:40:56,590 --> 00:40:57,869
Texas, the environment in a

1407
00:40:57,869 --> 00:40:59,230
hundred feet from each other

1408
00:40:59,230 --> 00:41:00,570
could be a totally different

1409
00:41:00,889 --> 00:41:03,130
thing. And I have these big,

1410
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:05,429
beautiful fields with black soil

1411
00:41:05,429 --> 00:41:07,949
that's all ran off the hills for

1412
00:41:07,949 --> 00:41:09,510
years, right? This big valley,

1413
00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:10,430
but

1414
00:41:10,829 --> 00:41:12,369
you go right across the farm

1415
00:41:12,369 --> 00:41:14,500
road and it's just white

1416
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:15,300
caliche.

1417
00:41:15,260 --> 00:41:16,900
So I can't expect

1418
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,639
That whatever's happening on

1419
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:20,199
this side of the road can also

1420
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:21,599
happen on this side of the road.

1421
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,800
And

1422
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,199
that's just

1423
00:41:24,989 --> 00:41:26,329
how it is here.

1424
00:41:26,429 --> 00:41:27,789
It's not all the same.

1425
00:41:27,929 --> 00:41:29,369
And so we have, we can't just

1426
00:41:29,369 --> 00:41:31,190
say, like, in Arkansas, you can

1427
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:32,530
grow this in Florida.

1428
00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:34,710
You can grow this in Texas,

1429
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:37,550
because we have to look even I

1430
00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:38,989
have an orchard that has these.

1431
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,400
almost like a river of red dirt

1432
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,219
that goes through the black dirt

1433
00:41:45,219 --> 00:41:47,139
or a river of white dirt that

1434
00:41:47,139 --> 00:41:49,059
where it's these veins of

1435
00:41:49,059 --> 00:41:50,860
totally other soil and

1436
00:41:51,489 --> 00:41:53,150
you'll see the trees planted in

1437
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:54,289
a row and then there's this one

1438
00:41:54,289 --> 00:41:56,269
little tree that's in that clay

1439
00:41:56,269 --> 00:41:57,889
dirt or in that caliche dirt

1440
00:41:57,889 --> 00:42:00,070
that there's just you know it

1441
00:42:00,070 --> 00:42:01,690
just isn't growing it's a it's

1442
00:42:01,690 --> 00:42:04,210
surviving like but it's not

1443
00:42:04,210 --> 00:42:05,489
growing and so you have to

1444
00:42:05,489 --> 00:42:07,969
observe all those things um and

1445
00:42:07,969 --> 00:42:09,349
not just try to like you said

1446
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:10,590
sludge hammer it out

1447
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,559
This is one of the things

1448
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:15,650
that... learning

1449
00:42:17,429 --> 00:42:18,809
from others and learning what

1450
00:42:18,809 --> 00:42:20,670
other people are working on and

1451
00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:22,130
what they're observing is

1452
00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:25,070
so valuable to train our own

1453
00:42:25,070 --> 00:42:25,870
observations.

1454
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,719
But also,

1455
00:42:28,849 --> 00:42:31,710
we have to really understand

1456
00:42:31,710 --> 00:42:33,389
their context and how their

1457
00:42:33,389 --> 00:42:34,909
context differs from our own.

1458
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:35,830
You know, there's

1459
00:42:36,269 --> 00:42:38,090
in earlier in our conversation,

1460
00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:40,920
you were talking about how you

1461
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,720
one

1462
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:43,679
of your desired outcomes is for,

1463
00:42:44,389 --> 00:42:45,360
you know, It returned to more

1464
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,920
resilient communities where you

1465
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,099
have this strength within

1466
00:42:48,099 --> 00:42:48,900
communities.

1467
00:42:49,570 --> 00:42:50,769
And one of the things that

1468
00:42:51,309 --> 00:42:53,710
I'm challenged by is that there

1469
00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:54,510
are many

1470
00:42:54,590 --> 00:42:56,369
people who have a deep and

1471
00:42:56,369 --> 00:42:57,630
authentic desire to be

1472
00:42:57,630 --> 00:42:59,150
successful homesteaders or

1473
00:42:59,150 --> 00:43:00,110
smaller scale producers.

1474
00:43:00,289 --> 00:43:01,369
Perhaps they want to put out a

1475
00:43:01,369 --> 00:43:02,510
couple acres of orchard or

1476
00:43:02,510 --> 00:43:03,630
whatever the case might be.

1477
00:43:05,010 --> 00:43:05,810
And

1478
00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:06,780
they

1479
00:43:07,699 --> 00:43:09,280
there

1480
00:43:09,659 --> 00:43:10,659
is this I

1481
00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:14,409
don't know quite how to frame

1482
00:43:14,409 --> 00:43:15,710
it, but there's this geographic

1483
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:17,090
experience bias

1484
00:43:17,570 --> 00:43:18,710
where

1485
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,159
so well,

1486
00:43:21,389 --> 00:43:23,090
There's this experienced grower

1487
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:24,210
five miles down the road

1488
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:25,350
who

1489
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:27,800
has a lot of experience with

1490
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,280
this peach variety or that

1491
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,579
walnut variety or whatever the

1492
00:43:30,579 --> 00:43:32,059
case might be. And therefore,

1493
00:43:32,179 --> 00:43:33,360
that's what I'm going to try.

1494
00:43:34,090 --> 00:43:35,750
Or I'm taking a certain approach

1495
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:36,889
to fertility management or

1496
00:43:36,889 --> 00:43:37,750
irrigation management.

1497
00:43:38,539 --> 00:43:40,480
And I really appreciated your

1498
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,119
anecdote about the differences

1499
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,900
within 100 feet, because those

1500
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:47,039
differences do exist.

1501
00:43:47,579 --> 00:43:48,719
And in fact, they exist in the

1502
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,840
majority of ecosystems.

1503
00:43:50,179 --> 00:43:51,300
There are some exceptions, but

1504
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:52,199
the majority of ecosystems,

1505
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:53,180
there is a significant

1506
00:43:53,059 --> 00:43:53,860
variation.

1507
00:43:55,150 --> 00:43:55,950
And

1508
00:43:55,949 --> 00:43:58,829
the experience of someone a

1509
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:00,760
few miles away who has had

1510
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,619
experience with an awesome

1511
00:44:01,619 --> 00:44:04,440
variety might transfer to your

1512
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,240
situation,

1513
00:44:05,590 --> 00:44:06,590
or it might not.

1514
00:44:08,090 --> 00:44:08,890
And

1515
00:44:09,099 --> 00:44:10,159
the

1516
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:11,300
that I'm

1517
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:13,230
particularly frustrated by,

1518
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:15,119
frustrated might be a strong

1519
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:15,920
word, but

1520
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:18,119
the piece that I'm particularly

1521
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:20,400
disturbed by is that people then

1522
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:22,019
try a

1523
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:24,179
local recommendation or an

1524
00:44:24,179 --> 00:44:25,940
expert recommendation and

1525
00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:28,190
they don't have success with it.

1526
00:44:28,789 --> 00:44:30,030
And their first conclusion is

1527
00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:31,659
this variety doesn't work here.

1528
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:33,449
This variety didn't work for me.

1529
00:44:34,369 --> 00:44:35,170
Well,

1530
00:44:35,369 --> 00:44:36,849
it might be worthwhile asking

1531
00:44:36,849 --> 00:44:38,070
the question of why not?

1532
00:44:38,329 --> 00:44:39,389
Was it planted in the shade?

1533
00:44:39,449 --> 00:44:40,309
Was it a different environment?

1534
00:44:41,090 --> 00:44:43,929
So there's, I'm using a variety

1535
00:44:43,929 --> 00:44:45,389
of framework to describe this

1536
00:44:45,389 --> 00:44:46,550
particular question, but

1537
00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:49,250
I think it's

1538
00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:50,390
so easy,

1539
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:52,090
without a

1540
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,039
lot of experience, it's so easy

1541
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:56,099
to fall into a ditch on both

1542
00:44:56,099 --> 00:44:56,900
sides of the road.

1543
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:57,800
One

1544
00:44:57,849 --> 00:45:00,409
is venerating local experience

1545
00:45:00,659 --> 00:45:03,500
excessively, and the other is

1546
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:05,860
being too dismissive of whatever

1547
00:45:05,860 --> 00:45:07,099
didn't work for you without

1548
00:45:07,099 --> 00:45:08,639
really trying to understand why.

1549
00:45:09,219 --> 00:45:11,119
And I'm using the variety

1550
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:12,980
framework for this conversation

1551
00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:14,139
deliberately because

1552
00:45:14,579 --> 00:45:18,039
I see so many varieties

1553
00:45:18,289 --> 00:45:20,630
that are clearly superior.

1554
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:22,769
The superior varieties of apples

1555
00:45:22,769 --> 00:45:24,489
and tree fruit and just there

1556
00:45:24,489 --> 00:45:26,110
are very superior varieties who

1557
00:45:26,110 --> 00:45:27,329
are not in commercial production

1558
00:45:27,610 --> 00:45:30,710
because they have a flaw of some

1559
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:31,849
type. Perhaps they don't store

1560
00:45:31,849 --> 00:45:32,650
particularly well,

1561
00:45:33,289 --> 00:45:34,769
or they're not as sweet.

1562
00:45:34,869 --> 00:45:36,090
They have a remarkable flavor,

1563
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:37,030
but they're not as sweet as

1564
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:37,830
people are used to.

1565
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,980
But you can compensate for those

1566
00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:40,780
things

1567
00:45:40,929 --> 00:45:42,489
with nutrition management

1568
00:45:42,489 --> 00:45:44,570
locally in your context.

1569
00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:47,090
And so I see people working with

1570
00:45:47,090 --> 00:45:49,030
these varieties that are just

1571
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:50,769
having incredible, amazing

1572
00:45:50,769 --> 00:45:52,269
experiences, and it's because

1573
00:45:52,269 --> 00:45:54,539
they have learned how to manage

1574
00:45:54,539 --> 00:45:55,840
them in their context.

1575
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,260
And that knowledge can be

1576
00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:58,060
transferred,

1577
00:45:58,219 --> 00:46:00,159
but in far too many cases,

1578
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:03,610
people try to transplant the

1579
00:46:03,789 --> 00:46:05,010
genetics and the varieties

1580
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:06,579
without transplanting the

1581
00:46:06,579 --> 00:46:07,719
associative management that is

1582
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:08,840
required to make it to thrive.

1583
00:46:09,429 --> 00:46:10,570
So anyway, I'm going on a rant

1584
00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:11,469
here. It's time for me to shut

1585
00:46:11,469 --> 00:46:13,190
up. No, I think that that, you

1586
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:14,530
know, my husband grew up in

1587
00:46:14,530 --> 00:46:16,969
Mexico, which in some ways has a

1588
00:46:16,969 --> 00:46:18,869
similar environment to where we

1589
00:46:18,869 --> 00:46:20,230
are in Texas, but in other ways,

1590
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:21,469
not at all. It's much colder

1591
00:46:21,469 --> 00:46:23,230
here in the winter time and

1592
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:24,030
stuff like that.

1593
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,920
And he got very frustrated with

1594
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,720
corn,

1595
00:46:28,539 --> 00:46:30,380
squash and sesame seeds, which

1596
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:31,880
are what he's accustomed to be

1597
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,760
able to grow very, very easily.

1598
00:46:34,699 --> 00:46:37,369
And this last year, so twice he

1599
00:46:37,369 --> 00:46:39,510
planted sesame seeds and either

1600
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:41,730
not enough rain and you don't

1601
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:42,929
need very much rain for sesame

1602
00:46:42,929 --> 00:46:44,610
seeds, but we had a hundred

1603
00:46:44,610 --> 00:46:45,789
days, like I said, over a

1604
00:46:45,789 --> 00:46:47,510
hundred and other situations.

1605
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:48,610
And then there was a

1606
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,059
grasshopper year that was just

1607
00:46:51,059 --> 00:46:53,260
so crazy that the entire field

1608
00:46:53,260 --> 00:46:54,800
was left with only three stalks

1609
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,230
of sesame because, uh,

1610
00:46:58,139 --> 00:46:59,519
the grasshoppers were just so

1611
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:00,320
crazy.

1612
00:47:00,260 --> 00:47:01,599
Well, because the rain has been

1613
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:03,039
so erratic and all this stuff,

1614
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,480
instead of giving up, what my

1615
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,570
husband did this year is in one

1616
00:47:07,570 --> 00:47:08,769
of our orchards that has pretty

1617
00:47:08,769 --> 00:47:10,929
wide rows, 25 feet, he decided

1618
00:47:10,929 --> 00:47:12,329
to take the no -till seed drail

1619
00:47:12,329 --> 00:47:14,889
out every two weeks and plant a

1620
00:47:14,889 --> 00:47:16,110
couple rows of sesame.

1621
00:47:16,889 --> 00:47:17,690
And then he was like,

1622
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,579
so he was

1623
00:47:20,019 --> 00:47:22,000
basically hedging against the

1624
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,420
rain and hedging against the

1625
00:47:26,829 --> 00:47:27,630
grasshoppers.

1626
00:47:27,550 --> 00:47:28,650
So did we lose some to

1627
00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:29,450
grasshoppers? Yes.

1628
00:47:29,469 --> 00:47:30,670
We lost a few rows to that.

1629
00:47:30,969 --> 00:47:32,030
Did we lose some to not enough

1630
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:33,389
rain? Yes. But does he have

1631
00:47:33,389 --> 00:47:34,849
several rows right now that are

1632
00:47:34,849 --> 00:47:35,650
going to be able to be

1633
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:36,310
harvested?

1634
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:37,150
Yes.

1635
00:47:37,070 --> 00:47:38,869
And so I think that that was a

1636
00:47:38,869 --> 00:47:40,389
unique way to look at it instead

1637
00:47:40,389 --> 00:47:41,190
of saying like,

1638
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:42,490
okay, I'm just going to keep

1639
00:47:42,469 --> 00:47:43,809
planting a whole field and then

1640
00:47:43,809 --> 00:47:44,809
something bad is going to

1641
00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:45,610
happen.

1642
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:46,909
Now he marked this down and I

1643
00:47:46,909 --> 00:47:47,710
said, well, are you going to

1644
00:47:47,469 --> 00:47:48,869
plant this exactly the same next

1645
00:47:48,869 --> 00:47:49,670
year? He goes, no, I'm probably

1646
00:47:49,610 --> 00:47:51,250
going to do the same thing until

1647
00:47:51,250 --> 00:47:53,769
I have more knowledge because it

1648
00:47:53,769 --> 00:47:55,710
doesn't make any sense when

1649
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:56,950
we don't

1650
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:58,489
because the rain can be sporadic

1651
00:47:58,489 --> 00:47:59,889
and how the rain comes is going

1652
00:47:59,889 --> 00:48:00,780
to impact. impact how the

1653
00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:01,659
grasshoppers come.

1654
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:03,840
And we need it to be coming up

1655
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,440
in rain after the major

1656
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,119
grasshoppers have already been

1657
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,659
eaten by some of the predators.

1658
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,119
So I don't know how to exactly

1659
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:11,920
measure that.

1660
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:14,280
And so that's what he's been

1661
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
doing. And then this year he's

1662
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,940
planted, we've had not very

1663
00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:20,300
great success with corn and he

1664
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:22,000
just had this idea, I'm going to

1665
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,920
plant corn really late in the

1666
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,720
year.

1667
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:27,570
And so he planted corn a month

1668
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:28,370
ago,

1669
00:48:28,510 --> 00:48:30,659
and it's actually looking really

1670
00:48:30,659 --> 00:48:32,099
great. And we're going to be

1671
00:48:32,099 --> 00:48:33,239
able to have it as decoration

1672
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,239
for the pumpkin patch.

1673
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,820
We're going to make a maze

1674
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:36,620
through it.

1675
00:48:36,619 --> 00:48:39,539
And then we believe it'll be a

1676
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:41,460
harvestable crop of corn.

1677
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:42,480
I don't have any

1678
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:44,699
can't say for sure, but right

1679
00:48:44,699 --> 00:48:46,400
now it's as tall as I am and

1680
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,280
starting to look like it's going

1681
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,219
to head out. This is very late

1682
00:48:50,219 --> 00:48:51,559
in any way that I have ever

1683
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:52,559
thought of growing corn.

1684
00:48:52,659 --> 00:48:54,360
I've never thought of planting

1685
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,780
it in the end of August.

1686
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,800
It's not something I ever would

1687
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,019
have thought, but he was like,

1688
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,039
it's not working in the spring.

1689
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,300
We're having all these issues.

1690
00:49:03,739 --> 00:49:05,239
I'm going to try

1691
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:06,599
to

1692
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,340
do it in the fall.

1693
00:49:08,699 --> 00:49:09,500
And so,

1694
00:49:09,619 --> 00:49:11,179
Anyways, it's just an interest.

1695
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,160
He's,

1696
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:13,579
I think when there's nobody else

1697
00:49:13,579 --> 00:49:14,599
doing a lot of agriculture

1698
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:16,500
around us, except for cows, this

1699
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:17,719
is like cows, cows, cows, cows,

1700
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:20,420
cows, because the terrain, not

1701
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:22,239
many people have these valley

1702
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,500
fields that we have.

1703
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:25,599
So, because it's mostly all

1704
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:27,059
hills, the majority of

1705
00:49:27,059 --> 00:49:28,199
everybody's land is hills.

1706
00:49:28,380 --> 00:49:30,239
And so, because of that, when we

1707
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,019
went to the Texas A &M Ag

1708
00:49:32,019 --> 00:49:32,820
extension,

1709
00:49:32,780 --> 00:49:33,699
nobody had, they were like,

1710
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,000
Bermuda grass and cows, just

1711
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,280
Bermuda grass and cows, just

1712
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,080
stick to that.

1713
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,080
And so,

1714
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:40,039
In some ways, it's been a little

1715
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:41,880
bit freeing because my

1716
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,559
experiences in upstate New York

1717
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:44,980
and in California and his is in

1718
00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:46,659
Mexico. And then nobody had a

1719
00:49:46,659 --> 00:49:48,059
lot. There wasn't a lot of local

1720
00:49:48,059 --> 00:49:49,500
experts to tell us anything.

1721
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:50,920
So, it's been a little bit

1722
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,679
freeing for us to just have to

1723
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:54,679
try things. And, of course,

1724
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:55,519
there's been so much.

1725
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,280
losses,

1726
00:49:56,340 --> 00:49:57,360
but I do think that we're

1727
00:49:57,739 --> 00:49:59,500
gaining valuable knowledge that

1728
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:01,079
can help other people in the

1729
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:01,880
area.

1730
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:03,579
And we just started propagating

1731
00:50:03,579 --> 00:50:05,179
trees because people always come

1732
00:50:05,179 --> 00:50:06,300
and go, oh my gosh, your fig

1733
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:07,420
trees are so beautiful.

1734
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,400
Oh my God, this is so good.

1735
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,300
So we've started ordering extra

1736
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:12,920
trees and propagating trees and

1737
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,239
we've made a little garden

1738
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,480
center on the ranch.

1739
00:50:15,539 --> 00:50:16,360
So when people come to the

1740
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,699
restaurant and they see these

1741
00:50:17,699 --> 00:50:19,530
beautiful figs, I can say, well,

1742
00:50:19,530 --> 00:50:20,889
yes, at least we know they grow

1743
00:50:20,889 --> 00:50:22,730
in this environment because I

1744
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:24,329
noticed that the grocery stores

1745
00:50:24,329 --> 00:50:25,869
and the garden centers are

1746
00:50:25,869 --> 00:50:27,110
selling these varieties that are

1747
00:50:27,110 --> 00:50:28,929
actually not conducive to

1748
00:50:28,929 --> 00:50:29,909
growing in

1749
00:50:30,289 --> 00:50:31,150
this environment at all.

1750
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:32,190
I don't think that there's.

1751
00:50:33,250 --> 00:50:35,610
Not enough chill hours, not, you

1752
00:50:35,610 --> 00:50:37,349
know, just like factually not

1753
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:39,090
and I'm actually open to

1754
00:50:39,090 --> 00:50:40,809
experimenting things like in

1755
00:50:40,809 --> 00:50:41,610
different environments.

1756
00:50:41,710 --> 00:50:42,510
I'm super into that.

1757
00:50:42,469 --> 00:50:43,710
I did a coffee experiment in

1758
00:50:43,710 --> 00:50:45,429
California with the university

1759
00:50:45,429 --> 00:50:47,909
and I've done some longer chill

1760
00:50:47,909 --> 00:50:49,769
hour apples in California as an

1761
00:50:49,769 --> 00:50:51,849
experiment, but I'm just saying

1762
00:50:51,849 --> 00:50:52,670
when you're.

1763
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:54,280
garden, you go to the garden

1764
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,639
center, you expect that they are

1765
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:57,000
picking stuff that is for your

1766
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,199
environment, that it's not an

1767
00:50:58,199 --> 00:50:59,000
experiment.

1768
00:50:59,139 --> 00:51:00,800
And I've noticed that that's not

1769
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,920
true. So I do think that we're

1770
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,920
coming up with valuable

1771
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:04,720
information,

1772
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,840
me and my husband in this

1773
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,420
experimenting time.

1774
00:51:08,699 --> 00:51:10,780
And of course, it's scary and

1775
00:51:10,780 --> 00:51:12,579
dangerous and financially,

1776
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:14,320
but I do feel like valuable

1777
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,400
information is being collected

1778
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,200
out of it.

1779
00:51:20,820 --> 00:51:22,219
What you're describing is the

1780
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,219
the essence of a lot of what

1781
00:51:24,219 --> 00:51:26,139
needs to return to many

1782
00:51:26,139 --> 00:51:26,940
different communities.

1783
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:28,280
There is a great deal of

1784
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,000
knowledge that is still held by

1785
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,400
people who've been on the land

1786
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:32,200
for a long time.

1787
00:51:33,019 --> 00:51:34,179
But there are also a lot of

1788
00:51:34,179 --> 00:51:34,980
things.

1789
00:51:35,110 --> 00:51:35,929
There's a lot of information

1790
00:51:35,929 --> 00:51:36,730
that we've lost.

1791
00:51:37,369 --> 00:51:38,909
And there are also many things

1792
00:51:38,909 --> 00:51:39,949
that we haven't discovered

1793
00:51:39,949 --> 00:51:40,949
because we've not been willing

1794
00:51:40,949 --> 00:51:41,750
to try.

1795
00:51:42,579 --> 00:51:44,059
So kudos, kudos to you for

1796
00:51:44,059 --> 00:51:45,699
experimenting. There is a little

1797
00:51:45,699 --> 00:51:47,280
bit of that happening in Central

1798
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,039
Texas of like kind of a

1799
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:51,320
rigidness and some information

1800
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,880
being forgotten and some people

1801
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,400
failing and then people get

1802
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:56,340
scared and they don't want to

1803
00:51:56,340 --> 00:51:57,340
fail. But

1804
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,860
I looked up a hundred years ago

1805
00:51:59,860 --> 00:52:00,960
before refrigeration,

1806
00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:03,429
the Central Texas area, because

1807
00:52:03,429 --> 00:52:05,050
of the mild winters, was growing

1808
00:52:05,050 --> 00:52:06,909
a lot of vegetables, was growing

1809
00:52:06,909 --> 00:52:09,670
a lot of food for this area.

1810
00:52:09,809 --> 00:52:11,269
But that's not the truth

1811
00:52:11,269 --> 00:52:12,070
anymore.

1812
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:13,840
And we put in,

1813
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:17,300
1500 fruit trees, 20 of each

1814
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:18,100
variety.

1815
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:20,010
And so I think that we will have

1816
00:52:20,010 --> 00:52:21,050
a lot of information.

1817
00:52:21,449 --> 00:52:22,710
They're only four years old

1818
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:23,909
right now. So, but I think

1819
00:52:23,909 --> 00:52:25,289
moving forward, we will have a

1820
00:52:25,289 --> 00:52:27,130
lot of information that we can

1821
00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:29,469
share with other people.

1822
00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:30,690
And the other day, this older

1823
00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:32,710
gentleman drove up onto my ranch

1824
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:34,469
and he said, what made you put

1825
00:52:34,469 --> 00:52:35,269
that orchard there?

1826
00:52:35,289 --> 00:52:36,449
And I said, oh, it was the best

1827
00:52:36,449 --> 00:52:37,250
piece of

1828
00:52:37,989 --> 00:52:39,429
Uh, place on the ranch for an

1829
00:52:39,429 --> 00:52:40,750
orchard has a slope.

1830
00:52:40,769 --> 00:52:42,369
So the cold air will fall down

1831
00:52:42,369 --> 00:52:44,409
off of it and it's protected on

1832
00:52:44,409 --> 00:52:46,269
both sides by trees and the

1833
00:52:46,269 --> 00:52:47,429
angle for the sun.

1834
00:52:47,530 --> 00:52:49,190
And and he said, do you know

1835
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:51,170
that my grandfather and great

1836
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:52,670
grandfather grew their vegetable

1837
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:54,690
gardens in that 5 acres?

1838
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:55,789
They grew their corn.

1839
00:52:56,159 --> 00:52:57,519
And he said, it's interesting

1840
00:52:57,519 --> 00:52:58,739
that the first thing you guys

1841
00:52:58,739 --> 00:52:59,860
planted when you got here, I

1842
00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:01,699
noticed the first thing that you

1843
00:53:01,699 --> 00:53:03,320
guys planted was that area.

1844
00:53:03,699 --> 00:53:04,820
And I said, what was the best

1845
00:53:04,820 --> 00:53:07,099
area to plant anything on the

1846
00:53:07,099 --> 00:53:07,960
ranch? And he said, well,

1847
00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:09,849
but I just, how did you,

1848
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:11,329
how, like, he just couldn't

1849
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:13,800
imagine how I knew generations

1850
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,260
later that his grandfather and

1851
00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:16,820
great grandfather had used that

1852
00:53:16,820 --> 00:53:17,620
area.

1853
00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:20,170
And it was very interesting to

1854
00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:21,349
him. And he said, the people

1855
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:22,590
that bought it, they ignored

1856
00:53:22,590 --> 00:53:24,130
that area. They just used the

1857
00:53:24,130 --> 00:53:25,190
big fields because they're

1858
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:26,289
flatter and easier.

1859
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:28,650
Nobody ever planted anything

1860
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:30,530
there since we sold the property

1861
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:32,230
30 years before you bought it.

1862
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:34,800
And I said, I saw it right away

1863
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,059
that it was an excellent place

1864
00:53:37,059 --> 00:53:38,260
to plant.

1865
00:53:38,699 --> 00:53:40,860
And so I think that there is

1866
00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:42,960
information in our communities.

1867
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:44,639
And I actually took to driving

1868
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:46,739
around and looking in people's

1869
00:53:46,739 --> 00:53:49,000
yards at varieties of trees when

1870
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,500
I first moved here because and

1871
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:52,539
asking people can I take a

1872
00:53:52,539 --> 00:53:55,239
cutting I've like snuck under

1873
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,860
fences and taken cuttings of

1874
00:53:56,860 --> 00:53:57,660
like

1875
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:59,730
a rogue pomegranate tree.

1876
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,079
growing in no water out the side

1877
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:03,699
of a hillside and like taking

1878
00:54:03,699 --> 00:54:05,480
some cuttings. But I've really

1879
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,079
just taken to trying to observe

1880
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:08,920
because there is very little

1881
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,099
information specifically for my

1882
00:54:11,099 --> 00:54:12,840
region that's been preserved.

1883
00:54:13,929 --> 00:54:15,070
Well, Molly, I want to say thank

1884
00:54:15,070 --> 00:54:15,969
you for all the work that you're

1885
00:54:15,969 --> 00:54:17,230
doing. Thanks for the book.

1886
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:18,510
I hope that it becomes very

1887
00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:19,690
popular and that lots of people

1888
00:54:19,690 --> 00:54:22,130
read it and it can contribute to

1889
00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:23,469
a shift in awareness.

1890
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:25,929
I hope so too. Thank you so much

1891
00:54:25,929 --> 00:54:26,769
for having me on.

1892
00:54:26,969 --> 00:54:28,769
The team at AEA and I are

1893
00:54:28,769 --> 00:54:30,289
dedicated to bringing this show

1894
00:54:30,289 --> 00:54:31,869
to you because we believe that

1895
00:54:31,869 --> 00:54:33,590
knowledge and information is the

1896
00:54:33,590 --> 00:54:35,250
foundation of successful

1897
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:36,570
regenerative systems.

1898
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:39,260
At AEA, we believe that growing

1899
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:41,000
better quality food and making

1900
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,539
more money from your crops is

1901
00:54:42,539 --> 00:54:43,340
possible.

1902
00:54:43,659 --> 00:54:44,599
And since 2006,

1903
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:45,880
we've worked with leading

1904
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,219
professional growers to help

1905
00:54:47,219 --> 00:54:48,199
them do just that.

1906
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,480
At AEA, we don't guess, we test,

1907
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:52,400
we analyze.

1908
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,000
and we provide recommendations

1909
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,760
based on scientific data,

1910
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:57,119
knowledge, and experience.

1911
00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:58,920
We've developed products that

1912
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,219
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1913
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1914
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1915
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If you are a professional grower

1916
00:55:04,820 --> 00:55:06,659
who believes in testing instead

1917
00:55:06,659 --> 00:55:07,460
of guessing,

1918
00:55:08,019 --> 00:55:09,099
someone who believes in a

1919
00:55:09,099 --> 00:55:10,519
better, more regenerative way to

1920
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:11,320
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1921
00:55:11,570 --> 00:55:13,989
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1922
00:55:13,989 --> 00:55:15,550
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1923
00:55:15,550 --> 00:55:16,350
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1924
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,480
Thank you for listening, and we

1925
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,360
look forward to working with

1926
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,160
you.