Fourth Annual Marc Sessler Mock Draft

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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast will host the two thousand NFL Draft at Mark's rental property from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis. I got some heroes here, Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler, And wow, what a to The draft week is off to a flying start. We had our sandwich props, m J d came in. Then Cavon Thibodeaux potentially a top five pick in the draft. He shows up out of nowhere. We talk about Erica and her future. That was a major moment in the podcast recent history, and Greg, we're just getting started because that was all just an appetizer, like Erica's future. Okay, great, Like that's cool. But now we're talking mock draft with potential number one overall pick, like one of the greatest Jaguars of the all time. Whatever. How about the greatest mock draft in the history of mock drafters. It's Mark Sessler. The moment is yours marked, The floor is about to be yours. No one is going to get in your way, no one will be talking over you. This is your moment to shine. It is the two thousand twenty two Mark Sessler mock draft. And I know you're excited. It's been an incredible process, um. One that I you know, you think, oh, of just it's a road activity. We've done this before, just follow you know, paint by numbers. Well, this year has been very different. Um. You know, I have had to change the way that I approached this and I've done that. And we'll tell you that. You know, of course, like like a mitochondria or something, there's a lot of osmosis. Um. You're you're hearing different information for months. Um. Some from you know, well established birds inside of buildings, sparrows, sparrows, um. Some not from those sources, not NFL buildings to be clear, just actually just buildings, civic buildings. That's where they come to government buildings, local government, right. And I will say one differentiating factor in years past, I would build out my mock draft um over the course of days, which is a little different than the lands eer lines of the world. The Daniel jeremiahs who actually the process begins the previous year. It's sharply different. But you are more a less is more seven minute abs approach to the mock draft economical. And I think that so I really wanted to peak that the difference there, so this time around, before adding any player to Team X, Y and Z, I just said, I'm going to learn everything I can, and I decided to begin the process. It is right now in Los Angeles about PM. I began this process putting name to paper at three thirty three AM. When I set my alarm, I slept on the couch not disrupt family. I had the laptop poised on a on a cushion right near my head, and the minute that the alarm went off, I began the process. Alarm was from the laptop, well from my phone, you know, setting it like at three paying a picture for sure? Do you turn the lights on or no? No? I lied under a large comforter and just the light of the laptop. Sterry coffee and he like extra. No, You're in a whole different time, You're in a different mental. I guess what it sounds like you're saying is that we're down to about two minute abs now. Where your day of getting up in the middle of the night and just cramming and giving us a full just a full to fifty six or whatever? Is this just the top thirty two? Where are we at top thirty two. But I've added nature this time, something that I am called at the end of that first round. Ten locks. It's that simple plus ten locks, ten other ten of the things that will happen in this draft that are of notable, either newsworthy, wait or just I know this player is going to this person to this team in a later rounds and you know you have to cut through the noise. It's like people trying to start a podcast. You have to figure out how to cut through the noise with you having your own mock draft millions of others and now you have this subcategory maybe ten locks. Maybe could workshop that, maybe we could give that thing a little panache, a little sizzle. That's something to think about. It was about four or fourteen am when I came up with that that subtitle, so that yes, that we could work on the year. Only it only took like forty minutes to get through the mock. Well, actually I started doing the math that he got this. I started working on my ten locks um while Greg and I are like red stringing this down and figure out how time you actually put into So let's do it. The two Mark Sessler mock draft. And remember the stakes here, remember the stakes. Mark doesn't have to hit all thirty two, but he does have to beat Josh Norris of the Underdog Network, who set a record with sixteen out of thirty two last year. He's not doing sixteen this year. We know that we set the over under when he was on the show at eight and a half. So that's kind of what we're going for. We want. We're looking for you to hit nine or ten. Take out Norris. He has a mihicle, but he gets humbled. You rise up in the industry. We need ten out of thirty two? Can you give us that? I hope so, and I hope that would also you know, serve as a tipping point for my employer to actually put it on our website. It's true, It's true. It does bother you. Um the m j D. Like he's just he's a good guy. He was a great guest. It's like he's not a draft expert necessarily. Wait a second, no, I think that I think that the last could be okay, Mr I never played the game. I never thought I'd be siding in that. Uh that under the ledger, But in this case, unnecessary for a former guest, Mark let's get going again. Ten is the goal. But we have to remember, and I did check out the I did check out your mock last year. You had some like everyone else in the industry. You had you had Trevor Won, you had Zach too, you knew Kyle Pitts. It had already been reported that the Falcons were taken him at four had gimme's yeah, And I don't see any layups here, So let's get going with the Jaguars. Who are they actually taken? I am. I know that there is a there's a factional I wouldn't call to split, but there's different opinions inside that building. And I'm going against Aidan Hutchinson, who I think shod Khan is preferring in favor of Trayvon Walker. Okay, so Trayvon Walker out of Georgia. And then around out your top five here you have Aidan Hutchinson Michigan going to to the Lions. That's sensible, which is interesting. I know you were high a little bit on the idea of Malik Wills. Willis going from Liberty to the Lions. Right. That was my mark draft Mark and mock very lock draft. I have to use different information very good. You have h Sauce Gardner of the Cincinnati cornerback going to the Texans at three. You know, I feel pretty hot in the pants about Gardener going to the Jets, but I guess I have to settle for our new friend, well not a friend. He made it clear we're not going to be friends. Cavon Thibodeau out of Oregon the Edge going to the Jets at four and then at kicking uh um going to the Giants who certainly need the offensive line help anything. Greg jump out to you there, Yeah, I want um. Mark, Just how do you feel like Sauce Gardner fits into Lovey Smith scheme um versus Derek Stingley. I think Sauce Gardner is if you're the Houston Texans, you're looking at someone who has years and years of production. He started as a freshman. He is never allowed a touchdown in his college career. He's played over a thousand snaps. He can play press, he can play his zone. I get that it may not be the number one. This is a this is a home run. And if that's how Greg's tone is gonna be during this, I'm gonna be like I'm kicking him Taylor and Maurice Jones Jew circa two thousand fifteen. Yeah, because Lovey it's like a little bit more of a zone thing and Stingley some people think is maybe more of a zone type of corner. Well, that's if you believe that that Lovey Smith is gonna be there for the next five years to I think that they're going to go play a rover inside Greg. I think it's good at this point to also factor in and remember that Mark's mock draft represents us as well. So what we're trying to do is raise Mark up. We don't want to expose Mark, which I think was great. Guys are weird. I've been raising market mock up this whole time. What I want is, all right, Stinky Davis, I know what you were doing our listeners. I want them to learn. And I know that maybe Mark hasn't studied as many hours, but the studying he does did is incisive and we should find Greg that really registers. All right. It was a good answer. Now. We talked about it with m J D yesterday. He in an insane turn of events, he has four quarterbacks going in five picks in the back of the top ten you're not quite at that level, but it gets saucy. You got Kenny Pickett going to the Panthers. There's a lot of buzz there. Obviously they need a solution and they've perhaps boxed themselves into a corner. So they go and take Kenny Pickett, the first quarterback off the board. Then we have our first trade, Ricky Hollywood, and it's and it's another quarterback, Mark and I'll see you up that way. So this, uh, if this happened, I don't see another mouth traft out there with this scenail that the Pittsburgh Steelers typically don't do this make a trade with the New York Giants at number seven to jump up and take Malik Willis. Why do I think they'd like Malik Willis if he fell to them at number twenty, I think they would just take him. Um, we've been hearing Mike Tomlin talk about mobility and athleticism at the position for months, and that's Malik Willis. And I think why I did this trade here at number seven? It's aggressive. I get that it's probably unlikely. But at number eight you've got the Atlanta Falcons, who I think are a real target from Malik Willis or a quarterback and jump in ahead. Then you've got the Seattle Seahawks at number nine. So I think the Steelers are saying, And Kevin Colbert in his final Leverpool says, is this eight a typical for Steelers country? Yes, but we're gonna go for it. We're gonna go up there. It's only thirteen spots. Get our guy. I thought about this when we did our Sandwich props because a lot of people are saying it, and it was almost too many people are saying it, so I stayed away, but I definitely buy into that. Ozzie Newsom did it with Lamar Jackson famously that he's gonna want to have you just take a swing on a legacy pick and if and if he flames out, no one's gonna remember you had a great career anyway, But can make people remember you went out on a stinker. If if you draft, that will be but it won't ruin the man's legacy. But if you hit on it, if you hit on it, then you're you burnish your legend even further. And then you have another trade Ricky at number ten and I'm falling in love. Ah. Yes, so at number ten, that's where we thought the Jets they might go get their wide receiver. Instead, the Jets manufacture a monster trade with the Seattle Seahawks or DK Metcalf a sure thing. A lot of these rookie white out back. The Jets have been chasing premier veteran wide receiver talent all offseason, swinging missing. This time they get it. And it's actually the pick that I believe Jamal Adams uh went went back to New York for Seattle, gets it back and they take Jamison Williams to start to begin. They truly are in a rebuild, but it's with young players on rookie contracts. The Jets get what they want. They have Corey Davis, Elijah More. You had DK Metcalf to the mix with Braxton Barrios and Tyler Lockett is paired with Jamison is giving more than the first They get more, but it's it's passed round one that's and they didn't have to give away their number four they give. I think they want if they want to move for someone, I think it's that number ten pick they want to use. I could I could see it. I think if a team was willing to give up the top ten pick, the number ten pick, the Seahawks would be interested. You might even have to give up a little more, who knows, Uh, I think of this. Seahawks come out of this draft like they do on Mark's mock draft, which means it's gonna happen with Derek Stingley and Jamison Williams. I think they could convince themselves that this was a smart move, even if I am dubious about it as much as I think. And it should be known that the trade and and I'll get to why this is so important in just a moment, Mark, the reason, uh, the trade of Tyreek Hill that the Jets thought they had completed with the Chiefs was for two second round picks. So that would tell us that Joe Douglas, the general manager, would be in a situation where he's willing to part with a top ten pick to get Dk Metcalf, who to me is a great player, but a lesser player than Tyreek. And I think it's it's a big gamble by you. And you know why it's a big gamble because, as Josh Norris told us on the show, Mr Sixteen out of thirty two, the key to having successful mock draft is you now the top ten and then you match player and team fits for the rest of the draft. So if you if you miss and swing a miss on some of these big trade predictions, you're done you. I would lose all. I had an absolutely respects go out of Mark's body, as you were explaining when I put this together, you know, over the course of fifties six minutes or so, like, um, I was like, I wanted just to be a memorable exercise. Although the Steelers trade is where I think you're being smart because yeah, maybe they don't trade up to seven, maybe they do, maybe they don't, but either way, Malik Willis Pittsburgh Steelers, you just need that to match you get get credit for even if it's at sixteen. And the Steelers have been so transparent over the last few years where everyone always seems to know their pick and everyone's always like, well they can't just like be that transparent about it again, and it's like, yep, they are actually that transparent. Um, Ricky, And I know you're one to foot out the door now with the podcast and we're upset about it, but also maybe you're not uh dot in the eyes and crossing the tease. Apparently it looks like we have five to people in the studio audience here with us, and I'm just curious if that's following Los Angeles County guidelines for COVID testing during this critical time. Yeah, everyone's been tested, vaccinated, double boosting boost. I'm sure Eric is all over the um. Yeah, I'm having them there, I'm fighting them off back here. Yeah, everyone's everyone. I stopped by the CBS last week to go get a double boost before there you go. You got the jeah, everybody got the jam here. Get some tweets, tweets about that. Look at you another another pony being led to slaughter with the fauci jab whatever. Bro. Anyway, let's get back. Do we have to take a break, Riggy, Yeah, I was actually gonna. I still have to do that too. We've only been going fourteen minutes. Oh, then let's keep going. Let's move Greg. I know I wanna kind of pivot to you on this. There's some picks. Let's look at the eleven to twenty. Anything jump out to you some superlative Yeah, Greg Rose at everybody, Kay kid really great to have him here. Um yeah, I'd like to just ask you a question, kind of throw this in the category of like the oh no, Mark didn't picks, and that would be Garrett Wilson to the Chargers at seventeen. There's one where you have Garrett Wilson actually as the fourth wide receiver off the board, behind Jamison Williams, behind Drake London, behind Chris Olave. So you were saying that the NFL doesn't respect Daniel Jeremiah, who had Garrett Wilson ranked in his top five and the other receivers way behind him. But the Chargers, which maybe you're trying to say Daniel Jeremiah is running as a shadow operation uh takes him after he slides all the way to say, well, I think you nailed that from wire to wire. That's absolutely what my where my thinking was that it's good. I'm telling you marks Mark has no time to waste with the mock draft this year. Everything is going to be insightful and he's not gonna he's not gonna mess around. He's not gonna be hiding in the bushes on this. Everything is right there in front of you. Do you think that Saints fans would be happy with a Chris O Lava Trevor Penning combination at sixteen and nineteen. Penning gets me a little concerned in general, not saying that couldn't happen, but I think Penning, like from what I've read about him, is a nasty dude, and I kind of like that for the Saints that you know, Trent Omstead is out the door, so thank you. I don't I I think it's a need. I mean, I think the other thing is that like it sounds like wide receiver quarterback. Maybe something is to come with the Saints. We'll see, But I I like the idea of getting an offensive lineman. I do like Chris o lave for for the Saints. Just so and where people can find this on the internet somewhere, not at NFL dot com. My thought was we would maybe screen cap it and send it out with a link to the show, because we're not gonna every check it out on the around the NFL Twitter page. I'm sure on Instagram you could see the full thirty two. I won't be pinning that. I want to throw a few more out there. From the top of the middle. Here eleven to twenty, you have Kyle Hammett's Hamilton's Going to the Commanders, Jermaine Johnson going to the Vikings, Charles crossed to the Texans. Um mentioned Drake London going to the Eagles. You have a run and wide receivers there London, LaVey Wilson and uh. Then Traylon Burks and yet another trade. Again. This is this is what I talk about when I talk about Mark is not here to compete. He's here to win or lose badly. So we have the Tennessee Titans trading up to twenty where the New York Giants had sat after trading with the Steelers. So the Giants are friendly to moving around that second first pick of their's. They get Traylon Burks. And I did talk to Grave Digger, who is right now, Um, fast at work on a different scenario. Here were his and so I'll give them too quick on getting trail On. Burks said, fast at work on a different scenario. He's actually working on Yes, Okay, he is hard at work. He's a he's an industrial person. I love Traylon Burks. He says he's a great in the offense. He's a he's a great fit in the offense because he can play in the slaughter out wide, and according to Grave Digger, I actually predicted he would be the Titans first round pick on my Titans podcast that came out today. So we're in lockstep psychically, even you know, I had put a sandwich on Ritter going there. That's the number twenty pick. I think that's really interesting because one thing I thought about it, what if Malik Willis goes before this dealers, what if they can't trade up to it. And we've heard Pittsburgh likes a mobile quarterback. They could also be a spot there to take Desmond Ritter. But in this case, it's a trade for the Titans. I don't know. He seems almost too much like a like a poor man z A J. Brown trailing Burke's to me that why why get another one? But maybe that's just the kind they like. Well, they may not have a G. Brown forever either, but that's maybe it's an A. J. Brown replacement. I like that. Unbelievable. I gotta say, Mark, I'm I'm not happy another another one. I would throw in the category of like, oh no, Mark, didn't you gave the Patriots like another undersized cornerback. Well, I don't think it's not everyone loves him, um, but the Patriots. The next Patriots pick for an undersized cornerback in the first two rounds that works will be the first one that just seems like a boring pick at a time when I want some sizzle from one of these wide received. I hear what you're saying. I mean, you've lost Chase Jackson. You've got to address the position. It's not that it's not the deepest cornerback class. You've got a couple in Not to mention Mark that that's part of the Patriots draft a drama. There's always it's always a bit of a head scratcher, not always, but sometimes, and people love being a player in a way we go great. People love McDuffie. That's a totally logical spot for him to go. It's almost too logical. It's just like, hey, let's take another small guy who plays multiple positions, but he really he's really tough. How do you just wait, like and take someone you know? Get J C. Jackson? You know, as an undraft. Where did you have Bill bell check in your most recent GM power rankings. I think I put him ten and I got a lot of people saying that he was too high. Yeah, two generals, and then a lot of Patriots fans saying like, how dare you? It's it's how many picks of the Pats have this draft. There's a big draft for them. They have to. They obviously got better last year and then things ended terribly. I want to see which direction the Pats go is a continue year three away from tomy. In fairness, they had their best draft in at least nine years, uh, since the high Tower Chandler Jones draft, maybe since like two thousand four. Last year, I mean Mac Jones, Christian Baran bar More, Romandre Stevenson. They kind of nailed a couple of those in the Bills on their heels, so that that rose his ranking up to ten. He was lower before that, or I don't know, you're just a little non play. All right, we're just getting started here with the marks or mock draft. We will be right back after this break to finish out the first round before we get to marks lots. All right, we are back. Let's hit the balance of the first round. Let's see you have yes, John Dotson going to the Packers, so they fill the wide receiver need. They have two wide they have two first round picks. Some people are saying they're gonna take two wide receivers. I think that's a little too cute. That's too cute by half. I don't think that's how organizations typically work. I have a superlative for you, Mark, which is the awkward superlative, because you are buying in on the breeze Hall running back to Bill's hype train that's rolling. Just yesterday on our show, I completely missed that with grabby toss R. What is it awkward for me or for you? I think for both of us. I think it puts us at loggerheads late in the first round, tough place to be. I like that idea for the Bills, though, because I get what you're saying yesterday about you know you must address defense. But I'm more like, strength on strength, take this explosive, unstoppable offense and at a piece that might just make them. Maybe they would have scored more points in that playoff game they lost, versus worrying about the cornerbacks and the safeties. I like a lot of the picks that you made here at the end dots into the Packers. They usually don't draft small guys, but he he would be a good value there. Linder Bomb to the Cowboys. Uh, they always seem to get like the future all pro that falls way too far, and that seems to be where linder Bomb might go because he's a center and there's not a lot of center need Zion Johnson. But I got a zero in on your trade to end this thing. The Saints getting Desmond Ritter in it, unbel what a way to finish you better styles. And if you want to like a little bit of like how does the first round sausage get you want to take a quarterback at thirty two? If you have that need, you get that extra year of control as a first round pick. I will I'll spin it into another reason why the Lions, who you know they need to look for their quarterback as well, they did something rather cunning here, I mean, or I project them to. They allowed the Saints to get back into number thirty two and take Ridder who who gives the Saints that quarterback who they might have taken higher up, but he's fallen to them, which I think is which they like, and they're willing to move up for him. But the Lions in one of my locks, I'll just tell you right now in round two at number thirty four, tike Matt Corral because they don't have to pay that. They don't have that first round money and all that stuff. Now you don't get the first you don't get the fifth year option either. But that's that's that tricky for some teams. They're willing to take him in round two. That's that's quite a risk. I guess they would have to be confident that the Saints weren't taking Ridder, I mean Corral at thirty two. But I like that the Lions just picking up picks, making other gms look like fools, exactly fools. And it kind of makes sense because the Saints and the Lions have a lot of shared DNA. Dan Campbell was in New Orleans for a long Aaron Glenn was there, and so I think they would get along, maybe the type of teams that would make a trade. All right, this is this is so, there's the there's the first round and again you can get it on Twitter, Instagram all over. It's like, oh, Bucks fans, you didn't say our pick, it's Dax Hill. It's Dax Hills and any other fans of teams that we didn't mention tough luck. Just simply, you know, travel the online labyrinths to find this highway past on Instagram the a t N. Let's do a little ten o'clock to light for Mark Sessler's locks. Go ahead, Mark, run down the list. Alright, Baker Mayfield to the Seahawks for a fourth rounder is what will happen after all? This business ends after the draft, after the draft pick. I mean that once we know that they're not taking a quarterback. Deebo Samuel not traded, a j Brown not traded. I already mentioned the Lions corral. Can I just yes, I'm not buying. I think Deebo could still be on the move. I think you will be traded. But Wells are saying clearly we're not trading. They're not. They don't see, don't know the Niners actually hold the cards. I just went with my feelings on that. Um, the Titans will move into Chicago's spot at number nine and take Sam Howell quarterback in a trade. The Jets in round two take Nakobe Dean linebacker round of Georgia. I love his feet and a really good vendor. Then Gang Green, I love this for them. Three picks later at number thirty eight. Take Tyler Smith, offensive tackle who surprisingly slipped out of round one. Like that, a little son the Jets a little well, you know, currying favor to some degree. It's also that this is a lot of draft value for a gang. It's a huge draft for them. The Cults, we know they need a wide receiver. I think they get value at round at round two, at number forty two at a sky More out of Western Michigan, and then Cleveland in a trade with the g Men, move up to number thirty six and take Georgia wide receiver George Pickens. How do you feel about that? Mark? I will observe it, and I already you know, there's very little feeling and just think it's a it might be a test. There's a test, you've passed it, this whole thing. But I feel like Pickens might if he was healthy, he had a torn a c L that he missed most last year, he might be the number one wide receiver in this class. Well, I mean, and meanwhile, and I know it's a new brain trust, but it just goes to show you, like the Giants what a free fall like they're shopping Cadarius Tony just drafted him in the first round last year. Now you're trying to trade him. It's just like he looked. I know he didn't produce that much, but he moves more like he moves more like. Everyone always compares people to Tyreek Hill, and it's always stupid, I think, but Caldarius Tony moves more like Tyreek Hill in the way that he just moves different and more explosive and faster than all the NFL players around him, more than almost anyone I've seen since. There's a lot of red flags there. But man, I think if you're the Chiefs, you'd be like a team like that were bigger red flags that I re kill. I mean that that makes me think maybe if the Giants are desperate to turn the page, perhaps they could secure Tony and and see if he can play the guitar. I read that Tony was back with the Giants now and doing things with them, and I don't know, he's back lifting weights and whatnot. I like what you did, though, Mark m just playing the game. In terms of the mocks, you had a lot of very specific player team combos. No one's gonna expect you to nail those. But when you happen to hit on one of them. Let's say, Na, Kobe Dean goes to the Jets. You just highlight that, you put it out on Twitter, copy paste, passive income see in September. That's called a mailbox money scissor, great job, Mark, excellent work on the mock draft. And remember the goals on thirty two out of thirty two. Nobody does it. But if you can just get nine or ten and take out Norris, who is the Who's the king? You know what? What did it call? He's the He's the king of mountain or the mountain. If you could take him out, you will be on top. Then I become that you are that person. I think it's a good thing to me. I think one of the two sounded better than the other. Bys. Yes, you're the one. You are Also though, if you lose to him, you could be replaced by him just during draft season. But you know it could just be like, hey, let's get Norris more in the mid That's on my mind too. That's why I again, I put a solid I mean I really put a solid hour plus into this overall exercise. All right, good stuff? Any other questions Greg you have now? I I want I want to hear more was what was happening by five thirty am, Because at that point you're you're locked and loaded, um and you just got some time to kill in a dark house. But I wrapped, I wrapped the exercise by then fell into like R E M sleep and had a dream that I is falling off a building. So and and one last note again, Greg, this is building the brand. It's not just the Mark brand. Absolutely, it reflects on all of us. If Mark goes one gets one right, the whole podcast looks like, hell, we need, we want that, we need. You're you're carrying us on some level through this draft process. Um, so your win is our win and your loss is gonna Remember I don't love the sound of that Mark. The two sets of no footprints and all a sudden one set of foot Prince Jesus, where'd you go? Oh bro? That was those are my I was carrying. That's you right now, I'm carrying you or you're carrying me the draft carrying both of you. That you or or you drop us right in the falter. Well, we'll find out what happens, all right, we'll circle back on Saturday, all right. I mean I love I love steaks are skylie maybe they're they're huge? Are you awaken? Wiggling around in my arms where you just sort of like sack of potatoes over each Whatever is going on in your rd cycle is what's happening. My favorite thing about this mock is like on Thursday evening, when you know, before Draftwick, we're like, oh, what are we gonna do for Draftwick? I was like, oh, yeah, We've par accessor and then a little double dip for the ages. The other thing that happens, We're like, oh yeah, Spice Rack coming up next. Stay tuned, welcome back, joining us now from the West side of Cincinnati. It's a tradition like no other. Some people call him Bradley Allen Spicer. Some people my no m is Spice Underscore Rack, Underscore m D. But we know the man is Spice Rack and he's back with his draft predictions. What's up, Spicy, gentlemen. It's good to see you, Spicy Spicy. It is great to see you. You're on the Skype. You're the only guest we've ever had in Skype that's clapped to get fired up multiple times before we fired. Of course, you're a long time old friend of our great friend Chris Wesley and we're here in the Wesleyan Podcast studio and you were the original Desert Consigliari. And now the draft is in Las Vegas, you're old home and you're in Cincinnati. I feel like that that's not right there. I feel like I feel like it's not right either. I would love to be hosting you guys around about now. Can I make one one note that Spicy is getting more handsome? Hard to argue, I'll leave it right there. I just I'm noticing that it looks good. We've mentioned many times that the first time meeting Spice Rack was disarming because he's like a six ft five guy with nice head of salty salt gray hair. It's it's it's a whole thing. Maybe now not not when we first met. It's been coming on like a freight train, salt on top of pepper from what I'm seeing. Yeah, but in a in a good way. All right, Spicy, Before we get into because you love the college game and you know it at a level that we can't even begin to fathom. But I do want to just touch base about the lead up to the super Bowl and your beloved Bengals and nearly taking the Lombardi home and also you making um almost like a threat that you better be on the podcast that didn't come to fruition. Are there any hard feelings on the spice racks towards the pod? Yes, absolutely, they're only directed at you. I was gonna ask and Adam shocked you had the nerve to bring it up right now. But yes, of course I'm upset. Of course I would think, how about this? There's no excuse, isn't this isn't like the old days when it's a week you know between championship game super Bowl? Could have found some time for spice And can I just throw and out? I had angles? Who do you? Who do you text with? By far the most with on this uh? Right here at this table? Uh? All right? So we got Triple G first, no doubt, no doubt about it. Uh Sess Thesessman is next, and you are non existent aside from aside from baseball postseason. I feel like that's the only connection I have outside. So if you and I have less of a connection, then Greg and Mark, why is it than my fault? Your buddy Greggy? Who you guys are constantly going back and forth about things that I don't even want to know about. Uh read between the lines and that why isn't he taking the reins and making sure you get on the super fairy fair point? Why why am I taking the heat when your actual buddy Greggy didn't make sure it happened. I'll tell you why because when I when I threw it out there about nine seconds after the Bengals beat the Chiefs in the FC Championship game, you know, the most early and on time and ahead of schedule I've ever been in my entire life. I reached out and you you you squashed it immediately. It's true. I mean it. He said that to the group, and you squashed it immediately. It was over. How about this? How about this? I bet I can. Let's let's scroll back. I love the fire inside of Spicy. It is h a door, I mean, not a door, but Dan like Dan while there, Dan, bring that up right now, I got I'm I'm looking at it right now. He's trying to throw you off your game to make your happened. It says that this is Spice Rack. Minutes after the Bengals shocked the world to advance the Super Bowl spice Rack demanding thirty minutes segment on Bengal Slash West between now and Super Bowl fifty six or delete my contact info. And I responded, we can promise you the Bengals will get extensive coverage across the next two weeks. At no point, at no point that I said that you would not be nonsense. Is that I'm not gonna beg What do you think? This is the most important thing in my life. It is a trash response. But you demand. But but I thought, and I thought for sure I had a lot to offer. Let's be real. I wanted by Eddie Brown Jersey to school, you know, right before the Bengals lost Super Bowl twenty three. I offer some perspective here. You need to go answer the landline in fairness, though we're all adults here, Dan, that was we're all adults. That was as nice of a slap down as possible by you. It was. It was honestly open it. Or Mark, your beloved Mark ever said hey, let's get spicy on the show. I at no point didn't even come up. Mark is not to blame on this in this situation. That's because I saw I saw the slap that I was like, dang, damn went Dan went hard immediately. And by the way, not stepping into you're asking, does the old user mind wearing the black hat? I do not mind wearing the black hat. If you want me to be the you will be the bad guy. But I will tell you that favorite thing in the whole world to be by no means that I want you not to be involved with that show. It just wasn't an option because we were on Radio Row all week. It was just there was never really a window. And guess right now right not spicy guest, you didn't start the podcast last week? Why do you say? And what goes on? Spicy? Spicy, bring in the room. But let me say this, Spicy, if the bengt left guard from Boston College, if the Bengals get that stop, if the Bengals get that stop in l A, you're on the show super Bowl Night, I promise you, I swear on the lives of my children. You're on that show, I'll tell you what. I might have been too drunk for broadcast, right That's it's part of the reason why I might not demand his demand. When I read it, I I figured it was from a man who had been enjoying, uh, the greatest win in in Cincinnati sports and in quite a long time. And Spicy, just to put it just the underline, it here bumming me out season for the ages and the ages and this is I think your fifth appearance on the Draft Show. And we love Avenue every year. That's that could not be true. Now, let's transition. Let's no I'm saying no, no, I'm saying that in terms of year, I've been doing a lot more than five years. Really, time flies, well, the Melvin Gordon years when we started that so well, you was at sixteen. I trust Spicy on this front. I don't know. All right, a lot more show, please, all right, let's get into it, Spicy. I want to know the other thing. I'd much rather talk to Cessler alone. I've said that for a long time, man, I mean it, Let's get into the draft prospects. But go for it. We can keep texting. This is a disaster right now, and it's not on you. It is not on you hanging their spa. Give us the guy you're standing on the table for first, among all these draft prospects that Spicy is higher on than anyone. I could sit this out if you guys want me to leave and you guys get handled. I don't think that you're sitting this out. You've we've but plenty of real estate on your concern going forward. I could, I could excuse myself. No, I'd love to say, take a hike right now, but I know how you get me back. Give us the name, give us who are you starting with? Spices? Come out strong? Well, I'll say that Greg, you know already sort of Uh, you mentioned my my strongest take and but you know, as far as the ritter thing, and I don't want to. It's much more fun to talk about guys. You believe in positive, Let's go positive. I know you know that's that's fine. You're a Cincinnati guy, st you've watched him a ton, and you're not a fan. Let's go positive. Who do you like? Well, if we're talking, if we're talking quarterback, I think there's one that's clearly ahead of everyone else, and that's Matt Correll, clear clearly ahead of everyone else. Um. Obviously the class isn't great, and um between my leak will it's his arm strength and athleticism. He's worth a shot for for a franchises going nowhere. Um. He I mean he's you know, he's he's a much better athlete than say like Jalen Hurts, and Jalen Hurt is a very good athlete, you know. I mean Malik Willis can really move and he's got a stronger arm, and he'll probably lead the league in interceptions. Not trying to pile on him. He's he's worth the roll of the dice for a franchise that ain't doing nothing. But uh, you know mc corral, I think is a guy who uh, you know, you worry about his frame because in the open field he's a good runner, but in the open field he looks for contact. Sliding has got to be part of the deal immediately. Um. But he stands in there and takes it, takes it on the chin because he looks to throw deep and his frame is just you worry about it being able to stand up. But he's a good athlete. He can scored aways out of trouble and uh, I mean he'll he'll square up and flicking sixty yards no problem. He's alway he's always looking deep first. So uh, you know, I just like the guys that will roll the dice. I don't want safe and steady. You know, Jalen Hurts is safe and steady. How far are you ever gonna go with him? Um? He seems more like a backup quarterback and a coach someday. But you know, Matt, you know, Matt, I already picked on Jalen Hurts twice now, but you compared Riddard Andy Dalton too, which is a bad Oh, no doubt about it. He'll he'll he'll let it rip. And I mean, you know, you'll hear people talk about he had, you know, some bad turnover sudd. He really just had like a couple of bad games, you know, where like when you had three interceptions, it was kind of like effort. I'm you know, who cares if I throw a fourth or a fifth? And uh, you know that's not the goal. But it's you know, there's something I don't know if i'd call it adamable admirable, but like he's gonna let it rip, you know, like he's gonna he'll let it rip. So their ability is an issue with him. I see I see him as as a better prospect than I mean, because you know people people say that, um, you know, like one of the knocks on him. Is is ah, Holy moly, Lane Kiffin's offense sort of buy design, you know, but hey, you're throw an accurate deep ball and you're never looking to go safe and steady. I don't care what offense you play, because he's the type of player who extends plays. I mean, he's quick, he's athletic, he'll make plays off script. I think he was leading the sec and rushing going into like November. You know this isn't Cam Newton or Tim Tebow. Is a big physical presence of the goal line. He's like six one nine. I don't know what he measured at the combine, but you know he's not physically impressive dude. But uh yeah, I like him most of the quarterbacks for sure. I'm not trying to be out like Nolan the Iraqi here, but like there, he is the one quarterback where there is a lot of press about the off the field version of Matt Correll, where someone said the problems start the minute you give him a million dollars. There's a lot of unresolved stuff going on with him. Like so it's I guess the fit would really matter where he lands. You don't want to go to some wandering franchise that's gonna be in and out of coaching hires, taking austray in a big spot. Well, I mean I think we know that. You know, he's he generates headlines for some of his career criticism. I don't know Matt Correll, but that's out there. Does it concern you? Are you just just fair enough? Because I can't I can't really listen any quarterbacks who I mean, you got that's that's a full year. You know, that's a that's a real mature job. You can't really Hey, are you finding me any of the Johnny Manziel's or um, you know, Vince Young, you know, I don't think took things too seriously. A bunch of other guys who were kind of you know, guys who didn't even really get uh, losing my chap, Kelly, you know Sessler's guy. A lot of you don't you ran very sad story, but he you know, those guys who caught of scow around and don't think, all right, we'll take things too seriously. I don't know, Spicy, I wanna I want to cycle back to a tweet that you have highlighted on your Twitter account from our great frienk me Chris Westling. I remember was from March two thousand eighteen. I remember a conversation more than a decade ago when Spice Rack called Antonio Crimarti one of the most naturally gifted athletes he'd ever seen on a football field. Crimarty had a really, really good career in the NFL. Cremarty was big. What what made him really not only was the incredibly athletic he had size. He was six to to ten. And now you got this guy, the Cincinnati kid, Sauce Gardner. He's six three, he's one ninety. Do you see any Cromarty esque ability to Obviously he's a physical match. Do you think he has that type of ceiling I'll tell you what he's got that, yes, absolutely, And I'll tell you what he has them that same that same uh you know, like that that same look in a uniform, like this guy is just a stud. You know. It's like looks like Tarzan, plays like Tarzan, you know what I mean. Like some some of the Cromarty was like that. Sean Taylor was like that, Patrick Peterson was like that. And I'm talking early, you know, like they just stood out. I mean South Gardner, Like a lot of games the ball wasn't even going his way, but he still found a way to stand out. Like this guy is just just a stud. You know, I'm surprised. I think like some of his testing stuff wasn't like off the charts, which kind of surprised me. But you know, the comparison is just that big athlete that's just like just smooth, like you could you could see him being good at anything, multiple position, multiple sports, Like just a real smooth guy. Like when I when I saw early in the year, you know, someone's mock draft or a top fifty or whatever you will come your way, and you see him pick being picked in the mid twenties, Like, hell no, I just don't see it. I mean, he's he's he's a ballplayer. It's probably going top five and he looks point yeah, I mean it's give us some of your rapid fire. Maybe yeah, I know, you know alright, like who's gonna be lighting up Sundays that you're excited about running backs, receivers those type of players, well, you know, I mean receivers. As far as I'm concerned, is like, uh, this is that first generation where we're looking at like all the guys grow up now playing receiver. It's it's you get paid more, it's safer. You know, those enforces are in the middle of the field. Running backs get the shaft. So that's where guys always play running backs, and a lot of times they you know, they'd be stubborn and they wouldn't want the position change. I just feel like all these guys coming out, there's just gonna be so many more hits misses almost every year now. I just think that's a position, um because because you look at like what Chase and the Jefferson right before that, even like Backham when he first, it was never ever like that in the NFL that a rookie would come in. Even during passing booms, you wouldn't see rookies like really just blow up. And I just think we're seeing a lot more of those guys. Have us your favorites though, Johan Dotson, Um, I think we'll have to move to the slot. But he's the guy I like most. I think he's like just a bustproof player. That's a that's a big take. I mean he's not going in the first round, and a lot of them. I like Tyler Boyd with upside, you know, but like I think he's more in the slot, but he'll hit home. Ron's kind or like chunk plays. Um. He was a one man team at Penn State. He was the only guy who could do anything. So I know he was at the top of every scouting report and a man he busted open big plays. Let it like Eliza More where he's a small guy that's gonna play outside infinitely. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, um but yeah, John Dots and I like a lot, but all these received I mean, sky More I love. I mean, I I see no way he's not gonna be a hell of a ball player. Um, Metchie you know his injury situation, but I think he's a stud. I know Saban loves him and and I thought he was more of the guy even than Jamison Williams. But like James Williams be great. Yeah, I mean I think all these guys are good. I really don't have someone that I that I would even knock. Um. They obviously some will bust or whatever, but you know, just a high hit rate anymore with receivers. The tight end I love is Greg dalchich. Um. You're not hearing a lot a lot about tight ends. This draft class. No, not loaded, but um, you know that I feel like that's a position. Like these guys the like the receiving not the not the blocking receiving hybrid tight end, but like just those receiving tight ends. A lot of them come into the league, you know, good and ready to go and and uh had to you know, from one hair you know, hair ficionado to another. I'd see. I want the Bengals to grab him so much in the second round if he's available, I get I get these like h Brent Jones, Dallas Clark type vibes with him, and both of those guys played with extremely accurate quarterbacks Steve Young and Peyton Manning, but mostly like new where to go with the ball? Who's your catch? Who's your and Williams memorial table pounder. Oh yeah, that's like a late pick you really stood for, Jonathan Williams. Jonathan Williams. Of course, I'm running back out of the middles fifth round pick spicy pound of the table didn't work out, but it's a dart throw obviously on that day. Who is who? Who's the guy that people aren't talking about that you feel reasonably confident is going to be a player. Jeez, Louise, you have to know the question is coming, Spicy. Yeah, well, you know usually like you can always find a quarterback who called McDonald famously. You're a big fan of old McDonald. He was, he was the first guy cut he I don't even think he made it the camp. I don't even think he made it the camp. Oh no, I forgot about Old McDonald's all right, So obviously there's gonna be more mrs than hits here. Who is who's gonna change the trajectory here? Well, this annoyed Spicy. First of all, I understand that it was one million percent. I'm also annoyed that I barely heard Sessler's voice. I'll call you are the star of the show, call you on the phone. One on one. Ask one asked the final question, then or Mark, Mark? I want to hear the answer to this one like you have one. Well, yeah, Spicy doesn't always answer. Sometimes you gotta just keep moving. Sometimes he's more evasive than Johnny Depp on the stand. Well, how about how about this? I'll tell you, I'll give you two guys from University of Cincinnati who were so sort of not not by no me off the radar there, they'll probably like Day three type, maybe late day too picks. But Um, Alec Pierce, the wide receiver, he's he's a home run hitter. He's not gonna be Johnny Possession receiver. And I don't think you're gonna throw him the ball a ton, but he's a home run hitter. Um. When they watching Ritter, I was thinking the rest of their receivers are terrible, but Alec Pierce is a boler. Yeah, he's he's he's the truth, and he's tall and so you know, I mean, he's a hell of an athlete. He can he can sort of go up and get it again. You're not gonna build your offense around this guy. But uh, you know that number two receiver who will catch a couple of long ones and stretched the field. The other guy is is uh Sauce Gardeners quarterback teammate Kobe Bryant. Okay, m hum, He's already a chip on the shoulder type player. It's pretty clear he sort of place within that edge. But I mean, imagine this guy just won the Jim Thorpe Award for the nation's defensive back or you know, best defensive back. Um, unquestionably the only guy in in Cincinnati Bearcat history to do so, and like no one even mentioned his name or mentioned that because he happens to share the exact same position with the best defensive player in the history of that school, you know, and and like he saw a lot of action. He was always game. I mean, he's he's a hell of a player. Um, I could see him being a you know, like a you know and maybe maybe more in the slot or or just like playing. He's the guy I want on the field for sure. So both those guys that could be like second third you know, maybe more like third round picks. Um, I'm I'm kind of like, yeah, I like both those guys for sure. All right, do you have something? No, alright, let me before we say goodbye. He's gonna give you a call before you say goodbye. I want a sandwich frop from Spicy. I thought you were right. I gotta I got, I got a quadruple wmmy sandwich problem. All right, let's hear it. My Okay, there's four parts of this, uh first ever four team parlay as. I'll take it. Yeah, I'll take it too. I'll wait and say my my connection with Mark Sessler will intensify over the next Uh well, however long till the end of those season. Okay, my connection with Greg will gradually increase. Okay, gradually it was just steady Eddie Greg like we've been going, buddy, and then Dan, our relationship will will you know, fall off cliff plummet. That's where we're at. Now, that's stuff I hope that. I hope that's not that's not already tumbled up a cliff. All right, what's the content? Contention? Contention is brewing? Uh and then Ricky and I will stay the exact same, which is to say, zero relationship. That's that's from now mark the clock until the end of the football season. I don't all right, texted you, I don't think I can take you on this because this sounds um spot on. I mean, and then you're accurate. I think control happening. I would. I always pick what I'm rooting for, and I want to see this be the moment that actually, instead of breaking you and Dan apart, brings you together. Uh So I'll take you on it, and I want to take it and I'm gonna mend the fences with spicy I'm gonna win a sandwich prop and gain a friend in the process. That's that's how I think. But Spicy, I want you to be sussing out the ideas Dan reaching out to you more with more frequency, because it's to win a sandwich, it's false. Or do you feel those real feelings of friendship? You have to you have to weigh in on that with all of us or eternally I'd be happy. I'd be happy to lose this one, you know. And also and also for your own um, for your own sanity. Just don't wait by the phone for Mark to call you. It's not gonna happen. Well, I'll tell you. I gotta speak for yourself. Yeah, I don't appreciate that sentence. I don't appreciate the sentences when you get the phone call. Can I have a very specific and understood relationship, and uh, I just want to keep it. I just want to keep growing it even in the past. You know, twenty four hours we've been texting about a novel that we both read that we thought needs to be created into film form. So I don't know where dance coming with that black view of the world. I don't don't hold your breath. That's a negative. We don't heed. What do I need from you? Mark and I were, I mean, the bond is it's getting stronger, and I want to see it. It's about to intensify according to you. Said, yes, alright, you've said it all. Thanks Spicy, Thank you buddy. There he goes. You know, I texted Spicy yesterday and I said, hey, do you want to do a sandwich prop? Again that's an olive branch. Do you want to be more involved with the ship? And that's what he came back with. It was on brand though he's hell I fired up about some of these. Either it shows his ability to change on the fly, h and come up with a you know, I found very humorous sandwich props because we've never we've never had one like that before. I guess he had nothing planned then he just went with that. That's possible too, but either way, and he had no old McDonald all star, which that was a little a little disappointed about that too. But other elements of their appearance I really didn't enjoy. I mean, I think he brings an unhinged element, so to not be prepared for the Cole McDonald two point oh pick is mixed. Total sense he he liked Corral. That was a hot take of these receivers. I haven't heard any I feel like no one likes Matt Corral except Chris Sims likes Matt Coral. That's about it. Ah, he likes John Dots and best of all the receiver. That's a pretty hot take. Maybe seventh three s and then he like the two Cincinnati gas. Kobe Bryant. You know, maybe it's the name that just people are Kobe with a C. Though it's that that would bother me. He won the Jim Thorpe board and no one's even talking about him, and he might be Listen, I'm not about to speak on the Cincinnati Barrack got football. When the arguably the best cornerback in the country is locking down the other half of the field. I would feel like, even if Kobe was great, some people are gonna say, well, I guess that shows a great mentality. Though. You know, you're gonna get a lot of balls. You're gonna get picked on your across the street, from across the field, from the top ten pick, and you compete enough to get that sort of national recognition. That's the type of player you want, all right. On the shoulder. All right, So there you have it. Good app We are now getting on airplanes and I don't know if it's the same airplane or what, but we're all heading to Las Vegas for the NFL draft. First round. Will be there, I guess kind of backstage or something. I don't know what the setup is, but we'll be there. We're gonna talk to some of the first round picks. We're gonna, of course give you the night of the round one, we'll have a recap show that will get up to you as soon as possible. Uh, so make sure you check that out. Like I said, we'll also have the Saturday night recap um that will be a rundown of everything that happened, uh the week that was in the draft that was so be there for that. So a lot of good content, a lot of good content. Any final words, mark the floor is yours. I've already said enough. I mean, I've presented my mock draft and now I let my deep research, um, my processes and uh, you know, months of looking at the overall landscape of the NFL speak for itself. And I think it's fair to say Josh Norris is nervous I think he would. I think he should be I Um, I think we should make this the tradition that the Mock and Spicy are together. It's a it's a chaotic show, a chaotic and g Um. I think he's spice Rack humans. They're fascinating, They're fascinating creatures here. I think, the same reason why I enjoy these spice Rack segments so much is the exact same reasons Dan is uncomfortable with him. I me uncomfortable. I'm enjoying it. I enjoy the discourse with Spicy. Um. I hope we can mend the relationship, and if it gets worse, that's good too. I mean, we still don't know this. The kernel of this occurred in Las Vegas years ago. I don't think we'll ever know that. Well, you do, I don't. I don't truly know. But maybe that's the seed of everything. I mean, it certainly went south from there. Maybe maybe if you are like iced tea and lemonade, we're like oil and water. One of those things, that's just one of those things. You just gotta write it off. You're not always gonna best friends with you. You don't fit together. No, that's okay. But you are increasingly getting closer with him, so that's good. You don't tell you right, you won't be calling him though, be honest, you're like, we've spoken on the phone multiple times. It's not I don't know why you assume that. I'm just I mean fair eness to throw it back to you know, Tuesday show, um where you where you did the play acting of the call. There's not a lot of phone calls going on in the year, people in their thirties and forties, and what I factor that in my prediction. Alright, go, all right, let's go. We'll see you in Vegas until then. Thank you the Spice Rack. Thank you to Mark Sessler for grinding it out once again. Watch out, Josh Norris, he'd the call.