Living Dinosaurs? Encounters Hidden in the Lower 48 | The Encounter That Changed My Life

<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, and welcome Sasquatch Theory. Tonight's episode features a
<v Speaker 1>truly unique conversation with Larry, a military veteran with deep
<v Speaker 1>roots in West Virginia and New Jersey. His life has
<v Speaker 1>been shaped by experiences that challenge what we believe and
<v Speaker 1>know about history, biology, and the natural world today. When
<v Speaker 1>Larry was just ten years old, he witnessed something that
<v Speaker 1>never left him, what appears to be a dinosaur like
<v Speaker 1>creature seen from a moving vehicle. In this interview, Larry
<v Speaker 1>explores the idea that creatures thought to be extinct may
<v Speaker 1>still exist. We discuss numerous dinosaur sightings reported across the
<v Speaker 1>lower forty eight States and many unsolved mysteries that people
<v Speaker 1>are still experiencing today. Do all these mysteries tie back
<v Speaker 1>to the Book of Enoch and how it may relate
<v Speaker 1>to modern encrypted activity. This is a thought provoking discussion
<v Speaker 1>that challenges mainstream narratives and ask listeners to reconsider what
<v Speaker 1>may still be hiding in plain sight. If you enjoy
<v Speaker 1>listening to Sasquatch Theory, please like the video, subscribe to
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<v Speaker 1>have your own bigfoot or crypted encounter, you would like
<v Speaker 1>to share with me, feel free to reach out at
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. With all that being said,
<v Speaker 1>let's dive straight into our next podcast with Larry from
<v Speaker 1>the East Coast. All right, Larry, welcome to Sasquatch Theory.
<v Speaker 1>How are you doing today?
<v Speaker 2>All right? How are you?
<v Speaker 1>I am doing excellent. Thank you so much for asking,
<v Speaker 1>and it's an absolute pleasure to have you on the
<v Speaker 1>show today.
<v Speaker 3>Larry.
<v Speaker 1>If you would tell me about your experience from the
<v Speaker 1>very beginning, please.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, absolutely. So. I live in West Virginia now. I
<v Speaker 2>grew up in rural South Jersey. And when you say
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey, most people think of factories and cities, but
<v Speaker 2>really where I grew up was dairy farms and cornfields
<v Speaker 2>and soybean fields and right by the pine barrens. I know,
<v Speaker 2>I've seen some of the few episodes that take place there,
<v Speaker 2>so I have some experience with things in South Jersey
<v Speaker 2>and that's really where my childhood kind of experience comes from.
<v Speaker 2>And beyond that, then I've moved around and now I'm
<v Speaker 2>in West Virginia. I'm a veteran, I'm a hunter, lifelong camper,
<v Speaker 2>you know, first year I got was when I was
<v Speaker 2>eleven years old during youth day, so pretty experience with
<v Speaker 2>all things out outdoors. And that's about my background in
<v Speaker 2>the nutshell.
<v Speaker 3>All right.
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you for sharing that with me. If you
<v Speaker 1>would dive into your friend first experience, put me in
<v Speaker 1>your shoes and try to describe everything with as much
<v Speaker 1>detail as possible, please.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, absolutely so. I don't know if you still
<v Speaker 2>have it, and if not, I can re send it
<v Speaker 2>to you. But a while back I sent you some
<v Speaker 2>kind of diagrams I drew up that go along with
<v Speaker 2>my story that will help to understand. And so the
<v Speaker 2>primary story I was going to share today is actually
<v Speaker 2>more in line with some other kind of I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>if you'd just call it supernatural, I would probably say
<v Speaker 2>more cryptid sightings. And it has to do with the
<v Speaker 2>idea of living dinosaurs, which I know people think is crazy.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's even more rare than people playing like
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot and dog Man stuff. But it's something I've researched
<v Speaker 2>a good bit and it's something that I have a
<v Speaker 2>little bit of experience with as a young young kid.
<v Speaker 2>So I'll just kind of share that story. And that's
<v Speaker 2>really what kind of brought me to research cryptids in
<v Speaker 2>general and to kind of do my own, my own
<v Speaker 2>thing with all things scripted. So when I was about
<v Speaker 2>ten years old, the overview is that basically two times
<v Speaker 2>I saw what, to me at the time looked like
<v Speaker 2>a dinosaur carcass, a thoropod, like a smaller looking kind
<v Speaker 2>of like a two legged raptor or something like that,
<v Speaker 2>laying in a field. And so the details are that
<v Speaker 2>one day I was driving past a recently ploid field
<v Speaker 2>with my parents in the car, just looking out the
<v Speaker 2>window like kids normally do. And I grew up in
<v Speaker 2>this rural area, and in this PLoud field, I saw
<v Speaker 2>what looked like, laying on its side, basically a small
<v Speaker 2>thoroughpod dinosaur. That's the only thing I can think to
<v Speaker 2>describe it. As Like I said, if you want me
<v Speaker 2>to resend the diagrams I sent, I can, I can
<v Speaker 2>send them to you. And it basically looks like what
<v Speaker 2>I sent, except for like a brownish gray color. And
<v Speaker 2>it was just a carcass laying there in the field.
<v Speaker 2>And I was looking out the window and thought, that
<v Speaker 2>looks a lot like a dinosaur as a kid, And
<v Speaker 2>so that was the first time we drove by, and
<v Speaker 2>then a few days later we drove by again and
<v Speaker 2>I saw it there, laying on its side, and this
<v Speaker 2>time it was surrounded by a bunch of turkey buzzards
<v Speaker 2>that had gathered around it and had begun to eat it,
<v Speaker 2>which was a very common sight for roadkill and dead things.
<v Speaker 2>And this was about maybe one hundred and fifty yards
<v Speaker 2>off of the road, maybe a little less than that,
<v Speaker 2>even more like one hundred one hundred to one hundred
<v Speaker 2>and fifty yards off the road into this plowed crop field.
<v Speaker 2>And after that time, when we drove by and I
<v Speaker 2>saw it again, I saw it there with the vultures,
<v Speaker 2>and I told my dad and I was like, hey, Dad,
<v Speaker 2>I saw something that looks like dead dinosaur laying in
<v Speaker 2>that field. And to his credit, my dad, you know,
<v Speaker 2>didn't make fun of me or anything like that. He said, well,
<v Speaker 2>next time we go by, let's stop and take a look.
<v Speaker 2>And so this was not this was over the span
<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, several days in between each time,
<v Speaker 2>because this was not next to my home. This was
<v Speaker 2>on a roadside as we were driving away away from
<v Speaker 2>where I lit. And so the next couple of days later,
<v Speaker 2>when we went back and drove by. It wasn't there.
<v Speaker 2>And as an adult I would obviously have gone back
<v Speaker 2>and looked for it, looked for you know, bone skin,
<v Speaker 2>anything like that, but as a kid, I just you know,
<v Speaker 2>we were driving. My dad was like, you know, where
<v Speaker 2>was it? And I said, it was somewhere in this field.
<v Speaker 2>It's not there anymore, and so I mean, why it's
<v Speaker 2>not there? I could, you know, guess we have coyotes
<v Speaker 2>in the region. I did see it surrounded by multiple
<v Speaker 2>turkey buzzers. It wasn't that big. And then it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>a farmer's field, so farmer could have moved whatever it
<v Speaker 2>was if he came out to you know, maybe plant
<v Speaker 2>and it was in the way. So that's really kind
<v Speaker 2>of the overview of my experience that I directly had,
<v Speaker 2>and that drove me to investigate these things. And I've
<v Speaker 2>got some kind of thoughts and notes on that I
<v Speaker 2>can I can share, but that's really my experience with
<v Speaker 2>that as a kid.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's very intriguing. And I can't imagine how
<v Speaker 1>you felt when you saw this unknown creature, like it
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a skeleton, like it was a carcass that was
<v Speaker 1>riding away.
<v Speaker 2>Correct, Yep, yep, No, it wasn't a skeleton at all.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it looked like, like I said, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I grew up hunting. I you know, I had siblings
<v Speaker 2>and my dad and stuff who would hunt. We living
<v Speaker 2>in a rural area, you see deer, dead possums, dead coons,
<v Speaker 2>dead cats on the on the roadside all the time.
<v Speaker 2>So it looked like one of those. Would you know,
<v Speaker 2>your your standard, you're driving by and you can tell
<v Speaker 2>basically what an animal is unless it's been like smashed
<v Speaker 2>by an eighteen wheeler, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, to me, it sounds like somebody had a
<v Speaker 1>full blown encounter with this unknown creature if it was
<v Speaker 1>pretty close to the road, because typically when animals get
<v Speaker 1>hit on the road, they'll either be right there off
<v Speaker 1>the side of the road or not too far away.
<v Speaker 3>What do you think.
<v Speaker 2>That's a great point. Actually, I had never thought about that.
<v Speaker 2>I until this moment, I had never really given much
<v Speaker 2>thought to how it died. But that seems perfectly likely. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's an excellent point.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I've always been intrigued with dinosaurs in general,
<v Speaker 1>and the story of the lock Ness really captivated me.
<v Speaker 1>And you hear story. There was an episode on Monster
<v Speaker 1>Quest of Nambinbe and it's a dinosaur that's seen in Africa.
<v Speaker 1>People claim to see mammoths either in like Siberia, Russia
<v Speaker 1>or even in Alaska. So I feel like they're still around.
<v Speaker 1>There's paintings where like romans are fighting off like Philosopher
<v Speaker 1>raptor type creatures, and the paintings are very accurate and
<v Speaker 1>kind of look like something you'd see out of Jurassic Park.
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like there are still pockets of dinos
<v Speaker 1>left on this planet or do you think maybe they're
<v Speaker 1>coming through like what people refer to as portals. A
<v Speaker 1>lot of people say Bigfoot utilize them, paranormal activity, UFOs, aliens.
<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts on that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great question. So, like I said, this
<v Speaker 2>has kind of prompted lifelong research, and unfortunately that's the
<v Speaker 2>extent of the first hand knowledge I've had with cryptis.
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anything too crazy other than one time
<v Speaker 2>potentially a UFO, but it was for maybe two seconds max,
<v Speaker 2>So not much of a story there either. But but I've
<v Speaker 2>done a lot of research into this stuff and I
<v Speaker 2>do I do think that there's probably pockets left in
<v Speaker 2>rural areas. That's my opinion. There's, you know, always potential
<v Speaker 2>for things that we don't understand, and I'm open to
<v Speaker 2>that as far as, like you know, time warps and
<v Speaker 2>portals and stuff like that. I don't pretend to be
<v Speaker 2>very knowledgeable about how that even would work. I think
<v Speaker 2>the world is a crazier place than most of us
<v Speaker 2>really know, so that's possible. But to me, what my
<v Speaker 2>working theory is is that there are pockets left alive.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'll tell I think some people will
<v Speaker 2>laugh at me for this, but I am. I come
<v Speaker 2>at this from the perspective of I'm a Christian and
<v Speaker 2>along with that, I believe I am a Young Earth creationist,
<v Speaker 2>so I think that fits with that. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>that's not like I don't try to force these stories
<v Speaker 2>because I think that it's just that I think these
<v Speaker 2>stories coincide with that belief, if that makes sense. And
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I know some people have their thoughts
<v Speaker 2>about that and might make fun of that, and that's okay,
<v Speaker 2>that's my belief.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but I completely agree with you. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>there's the theory of evolution, people landing on the moon,
<v Speaker 1>and like the theory of evolution is kind of falling
<v Speaker 1>apart as time goes on. The old video footage from
<v Speaker 1>the moon landing really looks fake nowadays, So I question, like,
<v Speaker 1>like the creation story from a scientific approach, just because
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it's just theories. And yeah, I definitely
<v Speaker 1>feel like the dino age wasn't three hundred and sixty
<v Speaker 1>five million years ago. It could have been I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>maybe a thousand years ago, or even I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>fifty or twelve thousand years ago. And if that's the case,
<v Speaker 1>maybe like the flood killed off the dinosaurs. There's been
<v Speaker 1>a lot of evidence showing that the flood is what
<v Speaker 1>killed the dinos, and with all that water on the planet,
<v Speaker 1>it caused large amounts of evaporation that caused the ice age.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, there's a lot of theories that challenge
<v Speaker 1>science from a Christian point of view that really make
<v Speaker 1>you look at the entire thing completely different.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, No, I completely agree, And like I said, I
<v Speaker 2>try to acknowledge that everyone in the world has their
<v Speaker 2>biases and their frames that they bring to every situation.
<v Speaker 2>But I tried to look at everything as its own,
<v Speaker 2>its own case as much as I can and ask
<v Speaker 2>just what makes sense of this. That's how I try
<v Speaker 2>to approach it as best as I can, to see
<v Speaker 2>through my own biases. And so if you want, I could,
<v Speaker 2>I could actually share some of it. You know, I've
<v Speaker 2>heard plenty of accounts. I will to give a little background.
<v Speaker 2>What I do now in cryptive research is I go
<v Speaker 2>to videos like your own. I've probably watched hours, maybe
<v Speaker 2>even day's worth of your stuff. It's awesome channels like that,
<v Speaker 2>message boards, and many times, as you probably know, as
<v Speaker 2>you scroll through the comments, you'll see people who are
<v Speaker 2>just normal people. They're not looking to monetize this, and
<v Speaker 2>they just throw up a comment and they say, I've
<v Speaker 2>seen one of those. I saw it when I was
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, fifteen thirty, I'm sixty now, whatever, and
<v Speaker 2>it always stuck out in my memory. And when I
<v Speaker 2>see those, I do my best to direct message those
<v Speaker 2>people on whatever platform I find to comment on, and
<v Speaker 2>I just collect their first hand reports. So yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>the summary i'd say is that there are actually quite
<v Speaker 2>a few people who claim that they've seen living dinosaurs. Basically,
<v Speaker 2>as you reference, there's a lot in Central Africa, which
<v Speaker 2>is pretty intriguing. There's actually quite a lot in the
<v Speaker 2>continental the US and the lower forty eight. One of
<v Speaker 2>the most famous stories that sticks out to me is
<v Speaker 2>actually from I don't know if you know the channel
<v Speaker 2>Dixie Crypted with Cam Buckner. He's actually got a video
<v Speaker 2>up where he's talking about someone who wrote into him
<v Speaker 2>and says that they saw a living dinosaur in the
<v Speaker 2>southern United States. And Cam actually says in it, he
<v Speaker 2>is like, I saw something like this once when I
<v Speaker 2>was young, and I was in the woods, and it
<v Speaker 2>was just a few seconds I saw it there. And
<v Speaker 2>I could send you the clip if you want. And
<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to get in touch with him because
<v Speaker 2>I want to hear more in detail about exactly what
<v Speaker 2>he saw. But there are many stories, and I'm kind
<v Speaker 2>of rambling here, but I'll just say one of the
<v Speaker 2>hot spots that I found for this as far as
<v Speaker 2>land dwelling alleged living thoroughpods is in the Four Corners region,
<v Speaker 2>in like southwest Kansas and the Four Corners region of
<v Speaker 2>the United States. There's a lot of I've talked to
<v Speaker 2>from that region alone, probably half a dozen people who
<v Speaker 2>say basically that the story that I hear again and
<v Speaker 2>again is like I was usually driving down the road.
<v Speaker 2>Usually it's people saying, you know, driving down in like
<v Speaker 2>southwestern Kansas or maybe Nevada four Corners region of the
<v Speaker 2>world of the US, and I just saw it, you know,
<v Speaker 2>jump over an embankment on the side of the road.
<v Speaker 2>It was literally just a two legged dinosaur, you know,
<v Speaker 2>usually between like two to five feet tall. And they
<v Speaker 2>you know, again, these are not people who are making
<v Speaker 2>channels around it. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
<v Speaker 2>I love channels on that stuff, but these aren't people
<v Speaker 2>who are monetizing. These aren't people who are you know,
<v Speaker 2>appearing on Monster Quest and getting their fifteen minutes. These
<v Speaker 2>are just people throwing up a comment saying I saw
<v Speaker 2>that one time, you know, so I kind of collect that,
<v Speaker 2>collect the data of where it happened, and try to
<v Speaker 2>road trips around that stuff. So that's kind of my
<v Speaker 2>approach right now.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's amazing. I've heard a few stories online, or
<v Speaker 1>actually a bunch.
<v Speaker 3>There was one.
<v Speaker 1>It was narrated, but the guy said he was camping
<v Speaker 1>in the wilderness, like you said, the Lower forty eight,
<v Speaker 1>and he was being stocked by three philosopher raptors. The
<v Speaker 1>story sounded out there, but the details that were mentioned,
<v Speaker 1>like it made me feel like it was real, Like
<v Speaker 1>you can't just make that up. And yeah, pretty much
<v Speaker 1>they were hunting him and he had a fight for
<v Speaker 1>his life.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, I
<v Speaker 2>kind of like everyone who is at least a potential
<v Speaker 2>believer with the whole Bigfoot, you know, Yeah, and yet
<v Speaker 2>he sasquatch phenomenon. I kind of asked myself, just what
<v Speaker 2>would make me think that this person who didn't come
<v Speaker 2>looking for me is a liar? And I acknowledge I'm
<v Speaker 2>sure there are. I'm absolutely positive there are scammers out there.
<v Speaker 2>There are liars, most of them try to get fifteen
<v Speaker 2>minutes of fame out of it, most of them try
<v Speaker 2>to monetize. And then there are people who just are
<v Speaker 2>practical jokers. And that's fine. So I calculate that in
<v Speaker 2>what I don't think they all are. And and many times,
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you when you try to get a
<v Speaker 2>feel for a person, you can get a pretty good idea.
<v Speaker 2>And I just I don't think that they're all that
<v Speaker 2>they're all false. If you want, I could actually share
<v Speaker 2>another kind of interesting, cryptid story that I have from
<v Speaker 2>the secondhand, from two sources that I know personally in
<v Speaker 2>in South Jersey, that's kind of intg intriguing as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, let's hear about it.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So in South Jersey, basically it's I guess you
<v Speaker 2>would call it a cryptid. It's something that's not supposed
<v Speaker 2>to be there, which is which is mountain lions or puma's,
<v Speaker 2>you know, panthers whatever you want to call them, cougars.
<v Speaker 2>And I wholeheartedly believe, you know, I've talked to two people.
<v Speaker 2>One is a horse rancher who I grew up taking
<v Speaker 2>little hikes to his horse ranch. My brother and I
<v Speaker 2>would go and watch the horses back about a mile
<v Speaker 2>or so through these cornfields behind our house. We'd go
<v Speaker 2>watch them because we liked seeing what he had on
<v Speaker 2>his ranch and like seeing the horses. And he said
<v Speaker 2>that one day he came out and one of his
<v Speaker 2>horses had its back torn up. Now, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>we do have coyotes in rural South Jersey, but a
<v Speaker 2>coyote is not getting on a full size, full grown
<v Speaker 2>horses back and tearing it up. And he said that
<v Speaker 2>when he then walked around a big horse enclosure, there
<v Speaker 2>were big cat footprints in the mud. So that's one
<v Speaker 2>that I find very credible. And then the other one
<v Speaker 2>that I have is a buddy of mine was getting married.
<v Speaker 2>I was in his wedding, and his wife's father was
<v Speaker 2>obviously in the wedding as well. And this is a
<v Speaker 2>guy I know personally, good Christian dude, lifelong conter, no
<v Speaker 2>reason to lie to me, and I can kind of
<v Speaker 2>tell when I'm having my leg pull. This guy was
<v Speaker 2>dead serious and casual about it too. There's kind of
<v Speaker 2>a casualness that most people have when they're telling the truth,
<v Speaker 2>even if it's a fantastic story, because to them, it's
<v Speaker 2>just like, yeah, it happens, like you can believe it
<v Speaker 2>or not, but it happened. And I completely believe this guy.
<v Speaker 2>But either way, his story is pretty cool in that
<v Speaker 2>he was out hunting in South Jersey and he was
<v Speaker 2>looking through his scope and he saw what looked like
<v Speaker 2>a big tan house cat standing in soybean fields. Now,
<v Speaker 2>anyone who's grown up around soybean crops knows that when
<v Speaker 2>they're full grown, they're anywhere from like one and a
<v Speaker 2>half to three feet tall. Soybeans are They're not huge,
<v Speaker 2>but they're big enough. And he saw what looked like
<v Speaker 2>a tan house cat, and he said that, and being
<v Speaker 2>a hunter, I kind of can relate to this, he said,
<v Speaker 2>while he was looking through a scope, his sense of
<v Speaker 2>size was a little bit off, and it wasn't until
<v Speaker 2>he backed off his scope and saw that tan housecats
<v Speaker 2>shoulders and head are above the soybeans, meaning that at
<v Speaker 2>the shoulder it was at least two feet at the shoulder,
<v Speaker 2>if not, you know, depending on the size of the soybeans.
<v Speaker 2>He had two feet to maybe three and a half
<v Speaker 2>feet at the shoulder. It's a big cat. And he
<v Speaker 2>was like, and then I just watched it from across
<v Speaker 2>the field, you know, just watch it for a couple
<v Speaker 2>of minutes, and then it slinked back into the forest
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, it was huge, you know. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>so just kind of cool stories about stuff that you know,
<v Speaker 2>I've talked to. I've read the DNR stuff and all
<v Speaker 2>they all they say that there's nothing less of it
<v Speaker 2>or east of the Mississippi, which is I think absolute nonsense.
<v Speaker 2>I've seen firsthand photos from the southeast of the Mississippi
<v Speaker 2>of panthers, but as far as South Jersey, again, I
<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people will laugh at me but
<v Speaker 2>I completely believe you know that story. I just think
<v Speaker 2>there's there's more stuff out there in the pine barrens.
<v Speaker 2>And I've been in the pine barrens that night, and
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's a huge place, and it's no joke.
<v Speaker 2>You know there's there's stuff in there for for sure
<v Speaker 2>that that people would not expect.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's incredible, And I believe these creatures are roaming
<v Speaker 1>around everywhere, and I don't know why they try to
<v Speaker 1>hide that. I mean, it makes sense when you're talking
<v Speaker 1>about Bigfoot, but when it comes to the big cats,
<v Speaker 1>it's like, why didn't I just because you don't see it?
<v Speaker 1>Or is it a money thing?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It really makes me wonder.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I can come up with a
<v Speaker 2>few speculative reasons, but who knows. I've heard one one
<v Speaker 2>reason is that potentially because if they are east of
<v Speaker 2>the Mississippi, then they're they're eastern cougars, which would make
<v Speaker 2>them allegedly extinct right now, but then would obviously classify
<v Speaker 2>them as an endangered species, and they were then be
<v Speaker 2>a lot of investment that has to happen on the
<v Speaker 2>parts of the States. So potentially that I don't. I'm
<v Speaker 2>not sure. But and then as far as you know,
<v Speaker 2>the bigfoot topic goes, you know, I man, I would
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to see one from from the safety of
<v Speaker 2>my own you know, maybe maybe a car or something
<v Speaker 2>would be would be ideal, But seeing one in the woods,
<v Speaker 2>if if I got out of there, okay, it would
<v Speaker 2>be okay as well. I try to keep my eyes
<v Speaker 2>out and I have my theories on on on the
<v Speaker 2>into and that's something that living in West Virginia, I
<v Speaker 2>have heard of many people who claim that they've seen
<v Speaker 2>them around this state, and that's that's something that I
<v Speaker 2>try to make time to, you know, just keep my
<v Speaker 2>eyes out for and do my research when I can. No.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and when you encountered the carcass, how did this
<v Speaker 1>change your life? How did it change the way you
<v Speaker 1>perceive things?
<v Speaker 2>You know? I will say it's a lot like what
<v Speaker 2>I've heard a lot on your channel, primarily with bigfoot,
<v Speaker 2>but sometimes with dog men and stuff, in the sense
<v Speaker 2>that you kind of see it and you log it away.
<v Speaker 2>And unless you're like an active adult researcher, in which
<v Speaker 2>case most of those people take action, but the vast
<v Speaker 2>majority of people are not either are not adults or
<v Speaker 2>are not active researchers. They're just people who they see
<v Speaker 2>it and they log it away and they go back
<v Speaker 2>to paying the bills, you know what I mean. And
<v Speaker 2>granted I was ten years old, so I didn't have
<v Speaker 2>bills to pay, but it was kind of the same
<v Speaker 2>approach where you see it and you just think, that
<v Speaker 2>really looks like a dead dinosaur to me. And I
<v Speaker 2>saw it twice for a good few seconds each time
<v Speaker 2>because we're driving by in a road that's like forty
<v Speaker 2>five miles an hour, maybe fifty, you know, so just
<v Speaker 2>looking out the window like kids do. And then beyond that.
<v Speaker 2>It's a story that I think more so came to
<v Speaker 2>mind as I got deep into cryptic research as an adult,
<v Speaker 2>and as I started looking into these various claims of
<v Speaker 2>different things. You mentioned mammoths. I also have found many,
<v Speaker 2>you know, explorers from early early explorers and trappers from
<v Speaker 2>the West who document either of their own experiences or
<v Speaker 2>the experiences of First Nations individuals who claimed that they
<v Speaker 2>had seen mammoths. And it's you know, as I started
<v Speaker 2>researching that type of stuff, my own encounter came back
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, yeah, I did one time see something
<v Speaker 2>that kind of sticks out in my memory, and and
<v Speaker 2>that was, you know, because that's the only really crazy,
<v Speaker 2>first hand thing that I've had in my life. But
<v Speaker 2>it kind of brought it more to the surface in
<v Speaker 2>that regard. And then as you know, as you start
<v Speaker 2>going through history and seeing a lot of what's been buried,
<v Speaker 2>you see that people claim stuff, whether it's living dinosaurs
<v Speaker 2>or you know, Daniel Boone claims to have killed a bigfoot,
<v Speaker 2>like flat out and very high details. You know, Davy
<v Speaker 2>Crockett claims to have seen one. There's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>stuff that that you're not really taught is is kind
<v Speaker 2>of accounted for. It's kind of treated like they're just
<v Speaker 2>ghost stories and nonsense. But but yeah, once you have
<v Speaker 2>even one little thing like I had, it kind of
<v Speaker 2>pops to the surface and you start asking questions. I
<v Speaker 2>think in a in a kind of cool way.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's a lot of mysterious things in West
<v Speaker 1>Virginia and New Jersey, especially around the Pine barrens. If
<v Speaker 1>there was one carcass in a field, that means there
<v Speaker 1>have been a group of these things.
<v Speaker 3>Somewhere.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, that's right. And you know, when I look
<v Speaker 2>at that, I just think you know, a breeding population
<v Speaker 2>can be pretty small, and especially to give some more
<v Speaker 2>detail on what I saw, it was, you know, i'd
<v Speaker 2>say a little smaller than a deer. And so it
<v Speaker 2>was laying on the side with its head facing away
<v Speaker 2>from me, but I could see it. It's just that
<v Speaker 2>its head was oriented away from me, and as you
<v Speaker 2>pass it with a car, you kind of get a
<v Speaker 2>good almost three hundred and sixty degree view of it
<v Speaker 2>because you know, you kind of pass it from one side,
<v Speaker 2>then you see it from being directly parallel to it,
<v Speaker 2>and then you can kind of look out the window
<v Speaker 2>back behind and see the other side of approach. So
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what I remember seeing. And it was
<v Speaker 2>laying with its head oriented away from me, and what
<v Speaker 2>looked like a tail sticking out kind of more towards me,
<v Speaker 2>kind of like diagonally towards me, and it's lower extremities
<v Speaker 2>were hard to see, but I'm not sure if they
<v Speaker 2>were chopped off or if they were just kind of
<v Speaker 2>like laying almost flat on the ground because it was
<v Speaker 2>almost a brown color and it was a plowed field,
<v Speaker 2>so they were harder to see. I could see the thighs.
<v Speaker 2>They looked like big chicken legs, but I couldn't really
<v Speaker 2>see the lower half, like I don't remember seeing any
<v Speaker 2>like foot claws or anything like that. And then up
<v Speaker 2>at the chest, it had a big chest that kind
<v Speaker 2>of looked like if you take the chest of like
<v Speaker 2>an elk or a deer, and if you cut off
<v Speaker 2>the front legs, so you've kind of got that like
<v Speaker 2>elongated chest with the cavity that almost looks like the
<v Speaker 2>chest of a big dog. But then with no you know,
<v Speaker 2>no front legs there. I remember seeing that, and that's again,
<v Speaker 2>you know, my first thought, even as a ten year old,
<v Speaker 2>was is that a deer? Because of the size and
<v Speaker 2>the color was almost could have been a deer, but
<v Speaker 2>there were no I don't remember seeing any antlers. I
<v Speaker 2>don't remember seeing any ears, which I would see for
<v Speaker 2>a deer, and I don't remember seeing any four legs,
<v Speaker 2>which I would see for a deer. So I was
<v Speaker 2>at that age, I was already very very familiar. I
<v Speaker 2>saw living deer probably every other day of my life
<v Speaker 2>in my backyard in the woods, you know, so I
<v Speaker 2>knew what it would look like, and that's why it
<v Speaker 2>stuck out in my memory. As you know, the first
<v Speaker 2>time was like that that is not a deer. And
<v Speaker 2>then the second time, it was kind of fact checking
<v Speaker 2>myself and I still thought, that's not a deer. And
<v Speaker 2>that's when I told my dad. I was like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know it was down the road a
<v Speaker 2>bit because I don't know why I as a kid,
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of nervous about that type of stuff.
<v Speaker 2>But eventually I told him and I said, I think
<v Speaker 2>I saw something weird. It looked like a dinosaur. And
<v Speaker 2>he was like, okay, you know, next time we're kind
<v Speaker 2>of in the area, why don't we Why don't we look?
<v Speaker 2>And then it wasn't for a while while until we
<v Speaker 2>got back and it wasn't there.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, I know, sometimes deer can like
<v Speaker 1>lose their hair. I don't know, if it's like some
<v Speaker 1>sort of exotic lice and like they have like a
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like where they lose hair. Did you
<v Speaker 1>notice like a tail on this creature, anything that really
<v Speaker 1>stuck out that said that's a deer.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So the tail was it was kind of
<v Speaker 2>oriented like diagonally towards me, Like if I were standing
<v Speaker 2>on the roadside looking at it, the tail would be
<v Speaker 2>pointing diagonally to my left, and the head would be
<v Speaker 2>pointing away from me. And I mean, the tail looked
<v Speaker 2>like it was probably several feet long, and the only
<v Speaker 2>thing I could think of as an adult, I started
<v Speaker 2>trying to think of the anatomy, and I was like,
<v Speaker 2>maybe if this was a really big dear and somehow
<v Speaker 2>the spine got like ripped out with with like you know,
<v Speaker 2>the flesh still intact on it. If you can imagine
<v Speaker 2>that kind of like I don't even know how something
<v Speaker 2>like that would happen, but almost like a mortal combat fatality.
<v Speaker 2>But imagine if the flesh and the you know, the
<v Speaker 2>skin stayed on it. That's the only way I could
<v Speaker 2>think that a deer would represent almost looking like a
<v Speaker 2>te you know, spine would look like that. But but
<v Speaker 2>that's that's not that doesn't reflect what I remember seeing
<v Speaker 2>at all. That's just that is just speculation on as
<v Speaker 2>an adult, I've thought about it, and I thought, what
<v Speaker 2>else could that appendage in that angle have been? If
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and that that's incredible. I mean, I know
<v Speaker 1>I keep saying that, but like I said, I've always
<v Speaker 1>been intrigued by dinosaurs. I wonder if the buzzards in
<v Speaker 1>the area attracted the attention of locals, and somebody found
<v Speaker 1>it and recovered the body.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it very well could be. And I'll tell you
<v Speaker 2>just having grown up in in you know, a rural
<v Speaker 2>farm area. Uh, one of one of the shames of
<v Speaker 2>life to me, even as a cryptid researcher now, is
<v Speaker 2>just that, you know, rural farmers and country folk and
<v Speaker 2>mountain folk like they no one there is going to
<v Speaker 2>call the Smithsonian put it that way, like they're gonna
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna see it, may tell their spouse or their kids,
<v Speaker 2>and maybe on that you know, they might not even
<v Speaker 2>they might even just bury it because they don't want
<v Speaker 2>their spouse to get caught up in anything or I
<v Speaker 2>think it's crazy, like or burn it and then they're
<v Speaker 2>going to forget about it and move on again with
<v Speaker 2>paying their bills. Like that is that is the culture.
<v Speaker 2>And the reason I say that's a shame is just
<v Speaker 2>as a researcher, I'm like, oh, man, if I could,
<v Speaker 2>you know, if I could just like get the collective
<v Speaker 2>knowledge and experiences of every mountain person from Appalachia and
<v Speaker 2>every country person from the Southern United States, I feel
<v Speaker 2>like I'd have more stories and encounters than I could
<v Speaker 2>ever imagine. But this simple truth is, if anyone did
<v Speaker 2>encounter it, I would bet my next paycheck that nothing
<v Speaker 2>was going to happen. You know, may maybe their brother
<v Speaker 2>who goes hunting with them would hear about it or something.
<v Speaker 2>And again, even then, I'm not so short because no one.
<v Speaker 2>For the most part, people don't want to be known
<v Speaker 2>by that. There's such a stigma around this type of stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And one of the one of the stories that stand
<v Speaker 2>out to me is, I don't know if you know
<v Speaker 2>who Rob Lowe is. He did The Low Files, but
<v Speaker 2>he's a famous actor and celebrity. And Rob low says
<v Speaker 2>to demonstrate this point about how much of stigma about it,
<v Speaker 2>Rob Low on Joe Rogan, he says that long story short,
<v Speaker 2>he and his kids went into Arkansas, into Area X,
<v Speaker 2>and they had encounters with allegedly with wood apes, and
<v Speaker 2>Rob Low says, He's like, you know, my son saw
<v Speaker 2>one through his thermal scope and I heard them lipsmacking
<v Speaker 2>and tree knocking like all night long. And he says that,
<v Speaker 2>and then Joe Rogan goes, Okay, so you believe Bigfoot's real?
<v Speaker 2>And Rob Low goes I don't know, man, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>so short. And to me, that's just such a good
<v Speaker 2>example of the stigma around this stuff, where I'm like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you do know, you're just so scared to say it
<v Speaker 2>because of the stigma that's been created around it, Right, Like,
<v Speaker 2>if you tell me your son sees this through a scope,
<v Speaker 2>you're with him and you hear them for hours at night,
<v Speaker 2>wood knocking and lip smacking, then yeah, you do know.
<v Speaker 2>It's just that when someone there's a difference between saying like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>I heard and saw these things versus I believe it's real,
<v Speaker 2>and it's that I believe it's real that gets people
<v Speaker 2>stigmatized and mocked. And I just think to me, that
<v Speaker 2>always stuck out that moment on that podcast where I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>on one hand, literally in the same breath, this guy
<v Speaker 2>saying my son saw it and I heard them, and
<v Speaker 2>then the next breath he's saying, I don't know, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I'm willing to say they're real. To me,
<v Speaker 2>that just kind of I don't know if that makes
<v Speaker 2>the point clear to you what I'm trying to say,
<v Speaker 2>but that just kind of sticks out in my mind.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, there's nothing worse than a big public figure.
<v Speaker 1>Shame in you for believing in Bigfoot or things that
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't exist, whether it's the news, Joe Rogan, or I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, just somebody that's up there, because people, you know,
<v Speaker 1>take everything they say as fact and everyone else is
<v Speaker 1>below them, and the truth is, you know, they weren't
<v Speaker 1>there for the experience. And yeah, I mean, I hope
<v Speaker 1>I never go on Joe Rogan's show. I liked the show,
<v Speaker 1>but I just don't. I know, he doesn't believe in Bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>so it's just like, yeah, I don't. I don't want
<v Speaker 1>to go on a show like that talk about my experiences.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, No, I hear you. I totally hear you. Unfortunately,
<v Speaker 2>that's just kind of the way that people have been
<v Speaker 2>instructed to think. And I think that's a shame.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>I mean when you see something like that, it'll blow
<v Speaker 1>your mind because it's not supposed to exist. So the
<v Speaker 1>people that have never had any experiences or had anything
<v Speaker 1>out of the norm, they're just prone to believe everything
<v Speaker 1>that we see is the way it is, and you
<v Speaker 1>know rightfully. So, I mean, we look for for answers,
<v Speaker 1>we look for evidence with things, and if you don't
<v Speaker 1>see it, it's really hard to believe that. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>once once you experience something strange and out of the
<v Speaker 1>out of the norm, you never go back, and you
<v Speaker 1>go down the rabbit hole and it leads to more things,
<v Speaker 1>and then, yeah, you learn so much that what we're
<v Speaker 1>being told is not necessarily the truth. And there's not
<v Speaker 1>very many answers out there, and the only way we
<v Speaker 1>find them is through stories like yours and channels like mine,
<v Speaker 1>and that's the best we can do to relate with
<v Speaker 1>our own personal experiences.
<v Speaker 2>I completely agree. Yeah, and I love hearing the stories,
<v Speaker 2>especially historical ones, because whether it's First Nations or you know,
<v Speaker 2>frontiersmen and things like that, those are some of the
<v Speaker 2>people who I trust them more than any you know,
<v Speaker 2>news anchor or lap coat in New York City. And
<v Speaker 2>when you hear what those people have to say, it
<v Speaker 2>sticks out to me.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, And it's another thing to keep in
<v Speaker 1>the back of my mind when I'm out there looking
<v Speaker 1>for Bigfoot, especially at night time. It's like, man, I
<v Speaker 1>hope I don't run into one of these things.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I mean, you know, that's
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the cool things is. I'm like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>anytime that I try to do research or if I'm
<v Speaker 2>out there, you know, if I'm looking for one but
<v Speaker 2>I see the other, I'll still count it as a
<v Speaker 2>win as long as I get out of the situation safely.
<v Speaker 2>You know, if I'm if I'm looking for a living
<v Speaker 2>thoroughpod but instead I see, you know, a dog man
<v Speaker 2>on the next ridge over, as long as I get
<v Speaker 2>home safely, I'm counting it as a pretty successful you know,
<v Speaker 2>research day.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure. Next time somebody asks me why
<v Speaker 1>I'm practicing the Second Amendment, I'm gonna say, because they're
<v Speaker 1>dinosaurs out there.
<v Speaker 2>It's not a bad reason. It's not a bad reason.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I'm gonna look up more dino stories from the
<v Speaker 1>US and from around the world. And yeah, I'm really
<v Speaker 1>intrigued anytime I hear about them, Like, I instantly watch
<v Speaker 1>and I listen to every second of it. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>like I said before, like the stories that I've heard,
<v Speaker 1>they sound pretty legit. The people in Africa that have
<v Speaker 1>told their stories, I mean, they they all seem just
<v Speaker 1>to know it's out there. I mean, how can you
<v Speaker 1>not believe when you look at a map of Africa
<v Speaker 1>and you really zoom in. There's just places that have
<v Speaker 1>never been explored. And yeah, like on Monster Requests, they
<v Speaker 1>went there, but they only covered like a tiny, tiny
<v Speaker 1>little grain of sand, and I mean it's just like
<v Speaker 1>one speck of sand in the entire ocean. So I
<v Speaker 1>feel like they just, you know, they really just went there,
<v Speaker 1>talked to some locals, walked around a little.
<v Speaker 3>But the reality is even.
<v Speaker 1>People that have lived there their entire lives have never
<v Speaker 1>explored some of these areas, and it's dangerous to go
<v Speaker 1>in there, so who knows what's really in there. And
<v Speaker 1>in the United States, I feel like it's possible, Like
<v Speaker 1>you said, there's small pockets of them. I feel like
<v Speaker 1>if there are dinos, they have similar abilities as the
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch or other cryptids, like they know when you enter
<v Speaker 1>the woods even from miles away. They have like this
<v Speaker 1>sex sixth sense that is out of this world. And
<v Speaker 1>then I feel like that would be how they would survive.
<v Speaker 2>I agree, I agree, Yeah, I think that's right. I
<v Speaker 2>think it's a small breeding population in pockets, and I
<v Speaker 2>think they're pretty you know, pretty adept at moving and
<v Speaker 2>camouf lodging and smelling and seeing and most of them
<v Speaker 2>are probably at either diurnal or nocturnal, you know, the
<v Speaker 2>wood apes. They seem to be diary from from what
<v Speaker 2>I've seen, uh or from what I've read. You know,
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen anything first anti, I just need from
<v Speaker 2>what I've seen as far as what I've read, what
<v Speaker 2>I've listened to, what I've watched, and then you know,
<v Speaker 2>as far as like a living thoroughpod. They seem small,
<v Speaker 2>like I said, you know, like maybe the size of
<v Speaker 2>a deer or smaller. And all accounts i've seen it,
<v Speaker 2>the biggest I've heard is like five feet. Most of
<v Speaker 2>them are like two three, maybe four feet. What I saw,
<v Speaker 2>I'd say was, you know, maybe in the four foot region.
<v Speaker 2>So I mean something something that small and intelligent and
<v Speaker 2>highly capable of sensory organs with a you know, a
<v Speaker 2>small breeding population of maybe heck in the state, maybe
<v Speaker 2>like twenty, you know, is it can stay hidden for
<v Speaker 2>a long time, you know, to put some perspective on that.
<v Speaker 2>There's there's an elk herd. I've actually seen it one
<v Speaker 2>time in in northern Pennsylvania up in in like the
<v Speaker 2>northern third of Pennsylvania, and it was recently bolstered because
<v Speaker 2>they brought in elks from elsewhere to add to the
<v Speaker 2>genetic pool. But before that it had dwindled down to
<v Speaker 2>maybe a few dozen elks, and they were hardly ever seen.
<v Speaker 2>And elks are huge animals. I've hunted them before, you know,
<v Speaker 2>these are massive animals, the size of like four year
<v Speaker 2>put together, you know. And when their population dwindled, number one,
<v Speaker 2>they still had a small breeding population. And number two,
<v Speaker 2>they were hardly ever seen until there was a you know,
<v Speaker 2>a project to build back up their numbers and things
<v Speaker 2>like that. So things like that just stand out to me.
<v Speaker 2>Or you know, the Florida panther, which was thought to
<v Speaker 2>be you know, nonsense for a long time and thought
<v Speaker 2>to be extinct and and it's not. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>small breeding populations of intelligent creatures that that are that
<v Speaker 2>are not that big, you know, much smaller than elk
<v Speaker 2>I think could go unknown for who knows how long.
<v Speaker 2>I mean. I heard someone say it might have even
<v Speaker 2>been on your show, actually, but it was a quote
<v Speaker 2>that stuck out to me. They said, most people don't
<v Speaker 2>even know what happens in their own backyard at three am.
<v Speaker 2>You have no idea what happens in the middle of
<v Speaker 2>the Allegheny National Forest at three am, And I thought
<v Speaker 2>that was such a good quote because it's like, literally,
<v Speaker 2>you could have a family. You know, most people could
<v Speaker 2>have a family of foxes living in their backyard that
<v Speaker 2>only come out at nighttime and they would never know
<v Speaker 2>it unless they had, you know, maybe a dog or
<v Speaker 2>a security camera out there at the right time, and
<v Speaker 2>much less you know, a huge national force like Daniel
<v Speaker 2>Boone or the Alleghany National Forest. So that's just kind
<v Speaker 2>of the way I think about it.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, for sure, And that's a very good point.
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of locals in the Rockies of Colorado
<v Speaker 1>that swear there's grizzly bears there. They've seen them eating
<v Speaker 1>on carcasses, especially on the northwest side of Call, Colorado,
<v Speaker 1>and there is even a documentary about it. A lot
<v Speaker 1>of hunters have claimed they've seen grizzlies in the area,
<v Speaker 1>but I guess DNR denies it. But I think it's
<v Speaker 1>possible if a lot of people listening don't believe it
<v Speaker 1>and just laugh at that, I mean, go out there,
<v Speaker 1>mess around and find out, because it's a huge area.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I completely I completely believe that. Yeah, grizzly bears.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I think they were hunted to near
<v Speaker 2>extinction in you know, in the Rocky Mountain region of Colorado.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think. I think just the idea that
<v Speaker 2>like you know, we haven't seen one for on record
<v Speaker 2>for five years, ten years, so they're extinct is just
<v Speaker 2>when you drive through the Rocky Mountains. I was at
<v Speaker 2>that veil a couple of years back, like two years ago,
<v Speaker 2>and it's just so massive, and you all that you
<v Speaker 2>ever see is the tiny little bit that's paralleling you know,
<v Speaker 2>the main highway through the mountains. That's it. And when
<v Speaker 2>you look at a map and you get a little
<v Speaker 2>bit of perspective for how much is there again a
<v Speaker 2>small breeding population of in the Rockies, you know, maybe
<v Speaker 2>one hundred bears could could easily easily stay live there undetected.
<v Speaker 2>One of the coolest things I found you mentioned mammoths earlier,
<v Speaker 2>was in a book that was written I believe in
<v Speaker 2>like eighteen fifty nine. There's just a little passing, a
<v Speaker 2>little passing line that the author writes about when he's
<v Speaker 2>he's heading out west and he saw some First Nations
<v Speaker 2>folks heading back east and on their cabin they are
<v Speaker 2>rather on their wagon they had a depiction of an
<v Speaker 2>elephant and it was titled it says what we saw
<v Speaker 2>at Pike's Peak and that it's just as little throwaway
<v Speaker 2>line I could send it to you from this book
<v Speaker 2>from eighteen fifty nine, and it's just, you know, just
<v Speaker 2>these these First Nations oaks and this Western guy, this
<v Speaker 2>guy you know, heading out west and he just sees
<v Speaker 2>them just they painted on their wagon just hey, here's
<v Speaker 2>a picture of what we saw at Pike's Peak. And
<v Speaker 2>it's an elephant, Like you know, it's just and again
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's like I don't think that I don't
<v Speaker 2>think that they were, you know, drawing on some vast
<v Speaker 2>knowledge of African or Asian elephants. I think that they
<v Speaker 2>were just kind of doing what you would do in
<v Speaker 2>a modern sense of getting a bumper sticker of just like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>here's something cool that I saw when I visited Pike's Peak,
<v Speaker 2>and just cool stuff like that that you can find
<v Speaker 2>when you when you dig.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this entire conversation really makes me rethink the
<v Speaker 1>cryptid subject and life as I know it. Yeah, Like
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm gonna do more research on it, especially
<v Speaker 1>with Dino's in the Lower forty eight to mammoth's being
<v Speaker 1>seen around the world. And I'm going to try to
<v Speaker 1>gain a better understanding of the s squatch and their origins,
<v Speaker 1>and not only that, my origins are origins where we
<v Speaker 1>came from, and try to discern what science is telling
<v Speaker 1>us and what people are seeing is you know, saying
<v Speaker 1>to to the public, like what does this mean? Where
<v Speaker 1>is this going? And yeah, where did we come from?
<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's a big question. People can't figure out
<v Speaker 1>where humans originated from, let alone Bigfoot, Like, no one's
<v Speaker 1>ever going to figure that out, Like what are they?
<v Speaker 1>Because we don't even know what we are?
<v Speaker 2>Yep, No, I agree. I would say I have I
<v Speaker 2>have a theory on on the sasquatch thing, and I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to keep you too long if you have to,
<v Speaker 2>if you have to get going, but I'll share it
<v Speaker 2>if you care to hear. I'll try and keep it fast.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's hear about it.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So basically, it's again take it with a grain
<v Speaker 2>of salt, because I'll be open about it. I've never
<v Speaker 2>seen one. I've never seen even what I think was one,
<v Speaker 2>so so I'll be open about that. But my theory,
<v Speaker 2>again is I do a lot of going back through
<v Speaker 2>history and through ancient cultures. And again, as I said,
<v Speaker 2>one of the windows that I come to this through
<v Speaker 2>is I'm a Christian, So I look back at there
<v Speaker 2>are two ancient books. Now you don't even really have
<v Speaker 2>to be a Christian to find these relevant. One of
<v Speaker 2>them is called the Book of Giants. The other one
<v Speaker 2>is called the First Book of Enoch. So people often
<v Speaker 2>think that the Book of Unoch is just one book.
<v Speaker 2>There's actually three, and the first one is historically speaking,
<v Speaker 2>the oldest and the most trustworthy as far as knowing,
<v Speaker 2>like as far as it's it's authenticity historically speaking. So
<v Speaker 2>these are these are historical books that in Jewish cultures
<v Speaker 2>are are viewed as being real history about the origins
<v Speaker 2>of the world. They're not biblical books per se, but
<v Speaker 2>there are books that are historical in line with biblical history,
<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense. So if that hopefully that overview
<v Speaker 2>helps people just understand what I'm about to say. Now,
<v Speaker 2>in these books as well as in the Bottle, it
<v Speaker 2>said that that angels basically fallen angels which became ultimately demons.
<v Speaker 2>They came down and they interbreeded with humans. Now that's
<v Speaker 2>what most people, even secular people know, and that's that's
<v Speaker 2>the origins in both Jewish and Christian culture of demons
<v Speaker 2>is their offspring are the disembodied spares of their offspring
<v Speaker 2>or demons. But what the Book of Giants and the
<v Speaker 2>first Book of Enoch also say is that after defiling humans,
<v Speaker 2>which is having intercourse with humans and procreating with them,
<v Speaker 2>these these offspring, these you know, kind of demigods you
<v Speaker 2>could call them, I guess they got tired of that,
<v Speaker 2>basically tired of this, and they started defiling animals too,
<v Speaker 2>is what we're told. So not only did they create
<v Speaker 2>these kind of cross breeds of humanity, but what we're
<v Speaker 2>told in these books is also then that they move
<v Speaker 2>to defiling animals and bestiality. So when I read that,
<v Speaker 2>and I think of something like a sasquatch or a
<v Speaker 2>dog man that is said to be very much like animals,
<v Speaker 2>we know whether it be a wolf or a gorilla,
<v Speaker 2>or a giganticificates or anything like this. But also many
<v Speaker 2>people say there's an intelligence behind the eyes when they
<v Speaker 2>see it. Again, I've never seen one. I'm just going
<v Speaker 2>off of what I've heard. An intelligence. There's a humanity
<v Speaker 2>almost in these types of creatures, and some people even
<v Speaker 2>say that there is a level of supernatural ability. When
<v Speaker 2>I see that, I think that's potentially what these came from,
<v Speaker 2>and it would in my mind, also explain why there
<v Speaker 2>are different levels, it seems, of them. So some are
<v Speaker 2>particularly evil people, often of googways, or of dog men,
<v Speaker 2>or even of certain sasquatch clans. The claim is made
<v Speaker 2>that they were just very very When you look at them,
<v Speaker 2>you get a sense of evil. And then others, some
<v Speaker 2>people say, are anywhere from neutral to good, and even
<v Speaker 2>are more animalistic. And I don't mean animalistic in the
<v Speaker 2>sense of brutal. I mean animalistic in the sense of
<v Speaker 2>they're like an animal. And again, if I go back
<v Speaker 2>to my origins theory, it would make sense that some
<v Speaker 2>of these are going to be more pure blood in
<v Speaker 2>the sense of their descendants from these, you know, crossbreeds
<v Speaker 2>of demonic forces, and others are perhaps going to have
<v Speaker 2>been watered down, so to speak. They're going to have
<v Speaker 2>inbread with nature more with what they came from with,
<v Speaker 2>you know, whether it be monkeys or wolves or you
<v Speaker 2>know whatever, and thus they might be less tainted. If
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense, that they might be closer to an animal, right,
<v Speaker 2>less evil, less intelligence, less human. And this is one
<v Speaker 2>of the things that helps helps me make sense of
<v Speaker 2>when I look at some encounters. Take sasquatch, for example,
<v Speaker 2>some are as I said, either very peaceful or they're
<v Speaker 2>just neutral. They're kind of like a bear in that,
<v Speaker 2>like they want to be left alone, and they'll probably
<v Speaker 2>mess you up if you get close, but they're not
<v Speaker 2>really interested in doing any harm. And they're also not
<v Speaker 2>really that smart. They're very much animals. And then other
<v Speaker 2>examples are people say like I literally thought I was
<v Speaker 2>looking at a person and it was evil and it
<v Speaker 2>was you know, it was hunting me, or it was
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, talking to me in my mind or stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And so on one hand, you can look at that
<v Speaker 2>and you can say, well, these seem like conflicting accounts.
<v Speaker 2>These seem like very different descriptions. And on the other hand,
<v Speaker 2>I say, well, what if these are you know, the
<v Speaker 2>same origin but in the same way that you might
<v Speaker 2>look at And I apologize for this long ramble, but
<v Speaker 2>I have a big German shepherd. My German shepherd and
<v Speaker 2>a pug come from ultimately the same origin. A couple
<v Speaker 2>hundred years ago, early wolves right, But my German shepherd
<v Speaker 2>has a much different temperament. He's much smarter, he's much
<v Speaker 2>more capable, he has a much higher prey drive, he's
<v Speaker 2>much more pack oriented than a pug. However, they come
<v Speaker 2>from the same line, and they're just you know, basically
<v Speaker 2>differentiated by breeding and region. And so I think that
<v Speaker 2>actually makes sense where where for one, for instance, one
<v Speaker 2>of the you know, common subspecies claimed to be the
<v Speaker 2>Florida skunkcape seems to be much more animalistic. It seems
<v Speaker 2>to be much more like a large primate, and that's it.
<v Speaker 2>And then there are some that seem more like in
<v Speaker 2>kind of the northwestern regions that seemed to be more
<v Speaker 2>intelligent and arguably more nefarious and more human like, and
<v Speaker 2>just like the German shepherd pug difference, I think that
<v Speaker 2>that's a very real possibility. So I apologize for the
<v Speaker 2>long ranch, but that's just my series.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you did an excellent job at explaining that,
<v Speaker 1>and you weren't rambling at all. You explained thoroughly what
<v Speaker 1>everyone's been thinking. And I feel like that's accurate. Because
<v Speaker 1>God brought the flood on the earth to wipe out mankind.
<v Speaker 1>But if it was just mankind, then he wouldn't need
<v Speaker 1>to fill up the arc with every animal that was
<v Speaker 1>original on this planet.
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I do.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the Fallen Angels defiled humans, but not
<v Speaker 1>only humans, animals as well. And if that wasn't the case,
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have creatures like dog man, sasquatch and different
<v Speaker 1>variations of sasquatch and all the way from little people
<v Speaker 1>to people seeing like mermaids and lockness, monster reptilians as
<v Speaker 1>people call it, like lizard man, moth man, sheep, squatch.
<v Speaker 1>It's a big one in West Virginia. There's so many
<v Speaker 1>different things. I mean, people even claim to see goat man.
<v Speaker 1>So it definitely sounds like there was some sort of
<v Speaker 1>experiment that happened in the ancient times that changed the genetics.
<v Speaker 3>Of humans and animals alike. And yeah, the.
<v Speaker 1>Description of the German shepherd is accurate, like they all
<v Speaker 1>come from the same line, like they all came from wolves,
<v Speaker 1>and you get something that looks like a pug, and
<v Speaker 1>then you have German shepherds that are way more intelligent
<v Speaker 1>and they're able to coordinate with each other and essentially
<v Speaker 1>hunt down their prey, whether it's animals or even humans.
<v Speaker 1>Cops us German shepherds and a pug would not be
<v Speaker 1>able to do a shit suit and nothing. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>German shepherds are elite, and I feel like that's accurate
<v Speaker 1>with Sasquatch. Like there's some sasquatch that are just on point,
<v Speaker 1>and there's others that just make mistakes and they're eating
<v Speaker 1>a dead dog on the side of the highway and
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, man, that thing looked like it had
<v Speaker 1>down syndrome, like its eyes were bulging out of its head,
<v Speaker 1>and it looked messed up like it was inbread. But
<v Speaker 1>there's some that are just super clean. There's like, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, an intelligence behind their eyes, and you can
<v Speaker 1>tell they have really good genetics. And I'm speaking personally
<v Speaker 1>from my experiences with the Sasquash, like they were, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, really clean. It looked like they use conditioner
<v Speaker 1>and they wash themselves in the river and they're very symmetrical,
<v Speaker 1>and their hair was just extremely healthy, like I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But then you hear other stories where
<v Speaker 1>it looked like something from the hills have eyes.
<v Speaker 3>So yep, it's freaky.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. No, that's exactly what I think is is that
<v Speaker 2>these are probably you know, they share an ancestry and
<v Speaker 2>an origin story, but I think that they are just
<v Speaker 2>based on whether it's geography or inbreeding or selective breeding,
<v Speaker 2>I think that they're just you know, different versions of
<v Speaker 2>the same thing in the same way that, as crazy
<v Speaker 2>as it sounds, a pug and a German shepherd or
<v Speaker 2>different versions of the same thing. And I'd love to
<v Speaker 2>hear more about your experiences. I just I love hearing
<v Speaker 2>these stories, and you know, when I think about the
<v Speaker 2>origins of them. Something something else that I go to
<v Speaker 2>is if you look at many ancient cultures, whether it
<v Speaker 2>be Asthetcs, Mayans, Egyptians, many of the gods or the
<v Speaker 2>demigods that they worship are these creatures that are basically
<v Speaker 2>half man half beast. They're you know, a human with
<v Speaker 2>the head of a wolf or a or human with
<v Speaker 2>the head of an eagle, or a human with a
<v Speaker 2>head of a you know, Anubis is basically a Nubis
<v Speaker 2>as a dog man. I mean, if you look at
<v Speaker 2>for all intents and purposes as far as description goes
<v Speaker 2>as a dog man, and I don't think that's coincidence. Again,
<v Speaker 2>if we go back to just my theory, it's that
<v Speaker 2>you know, these would be dark forces that inbred with animals,
<v Speaker 2>and then of course not only would they be stronger
<v Speaker 2>and faster and have better sense of sight and smell
<v Speaker 2>than humans, but also they might have a proclivity to
<v Speaker 2>deceive and to control and to humans that would seem amazing.
<v Speaker 2>They might even have some some latent supernatural abilities. And
<v Speaker 2>and if that is the case, as again some sasquatch scenes,
<v Speaker 2>people say every now and then, you know, when cloaks
<v Speaker 2>or something like this, it's it's more rare than the
<v Speaker 2>normal analystic ones, but still something that people say, it
<v Speaker 2>kind of makes sense that, you know, if I were
<v Speaker 2>an ancient person and I saw a highly intelligent dog man,
<v Speaker 2>let's say, I might think of that as a demigod, know,
<v Speaker 2>especially if it was it was intelligent and deceptive and
<v Speaker 2>had a you know, an an evil uh spell to it,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in an evil propensity. I yes, I guess
<v Speaker 2>you'd say, so, So, yeah, that's kind of that's kind
<v Speaker 2>of how I think about it. But I know you've
<v Speaker 2>mentioned kind of in passing in multiple videos that you've
<v Speaker 2>had your own experiences and and someday i'd love I'd
<v Speaker 2>love to hear about those because, like I said, I'm
<v Speaker 2>I'm just a researcher. I'm a I would call myself.
<v Speaker 2>I try to be a skeptical believer, and by skeptical,
<v Speaker 2>I mean I try to fact check things. I don't
<v Speaker 2>just believe anything. But I'm not a knower in the
<v Speaker 2>sense that, you know. I've heard many people in this
<v Speaker 2>community say, like, you know, there's a difference between being
<v Speaker 2>a believer and a knower, and I accept that that's fair.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not a knower. I haven't I haven't
<v Speaker 2>seen anything, you know, knowing that I know personally has
<v Speaker 2>seen anything. But but I think it's very, very very
<v Speaker 2>I think it's real. You know it without knowing, I
<v Speaker 2>think it is.
<v Speaker 1>If that makes sense, Oh yeah, absolutely. And I'll tell
<v Speaker 1>you about one encounter that I had. It was with
<v Speaker 1>a juvenile and I snuck up on the thing I
<v Speaker 1>was having experiences. I had an encounter prior to the
<v Speaker 1>juvenile encounter. It was three weeks before that, so I
<v Speaker 1>was out there looking for the sasquatch actively and I
<v Speaker 1>would tiptoe my way around, similar to like somebody that's
<v Speaker 1>in combat. You're not trying to make a lot of
<v Speaker 1>noise you're trying to be stealthy and avoid stepping on
<v Speaker 1>sticks and leaves, And this day I was practicing that.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I always kind of refer to it as
<v Speaker 1>like OCD because like, after that encounter, like I try
<v Speaker 1>to be real quiet and not step on a stick.
<v Speaker 1>And I had like this routine that I would follow.
<v Speaker 1>But that day I was coming back home and I
<v Speaker 1>was sneaking down the driveway and I saw something on
<v Speaker 1>all fours and it ran like a chin pansy through
<v Speaker 1>the forest. And in July here in Missouri, I'm sure
<v Speaker 1>it's the same way on the east coast, the forest
<v Speaker 1>is really thick. So all I saw was this black
<v Speaker 1>mass skurrying through the woods. And by the time I
<v Speaker 1>got a good look at it, the creature hid behind
<v Speaker 1>a white oak tree and it slowly stood up and
<v Speaker 1>hid behind the tree in slow motion. So I'm staring
<v Speaker 1>at that tree. I'm like, what the heck did I
<v Speaker 1>just see? And a few seconds later, the creature pops
<v Speaker 1>out and he's looking quartering away from me, so he's
<v Speaker 1>not looking directly at me. And I'm sitting there observing
<v Speaker 1>this creature and it was probably twenty to thirty yards
<v Speaker 1>away and I'm just studying this thing, and I know
<v Speaker 1>that I only have so much time to do that.
<v Speaker 1>But I got a clear look at it and the
<v Speaker 1>fur it was jet black. It had this shine to it.
<v Speaker 1>It had eyes about the diameter of a coke canon.
<v Speaker 1>They're really white, glossy white, like a light bulb, and
<v Speaker 1>you can see black pupils in the middle. And the
<v Speaker 1>thing's face was completely covered in fur, like you couldn't
<v Speaker 1>see its nose. You could just see like long, thin
<v Speaker 1>lips and the eyeballs. But he had two canines that
<v Speaker 1>were sticking down from the top lip resting on his
<v Speaker 1>bottom lip, and they were dental white like a German shepherd.
<v Speaker 1>You would know because you're a German shepherd owner. And
<v Speaker 1>the wild part is because he was kind of facing
<v Speaker 1>away from me. His head was so elongated that it
<v Speaker 1>blew my mind. And it came to a point at
<v Speaker 1>the top. And I always describe it like the elongated
<v Speaker 1>skulls that they found in Peru. That's pretty similar to
<v Speaker 1>the skeletal structure of the sasquatch that I encountered, except
<v Speaker 1>this sasquatch, like I said, it came to a point
<v Speaker 1>at the top, and his head was even more elongated
<v Speaker 1>than the the skulls from Peru. And I know people
<v Speaker 1>will like bind their heads to like elongate the skull,
<v Speaker 1>but they mentioned it on ancient Aliens that they're actually
<v Speaker 1>replicating what they've seen and they were trying to make
<v Speaker 1>themselves look like the gods. And I believe that because
<v Speaker 1>like with the Native Americans, they'll dress up like animals.
<v Speaker 1>I mean not all Native Americans, but I've seen photos
<v Speaker 1>where some they kind of look like they're dressed up
<v Speaker 1>like a wind to go or the thunderbird and different
<v Speaker 1>like spiritual creatures. So they're replicating what they have seen.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's what blew my mind. And I thought
<v Speaker 1>when I started this channel I would hear more people
<v Speaker 1>who had similar experiences as far as like the head
<v Speaker 1>being so elongated. I have heard where it comes to
<v Speaker 1>like a crest at the top, similar to like a
<v Speaker 1>blue jay or a carnival bird. But I still this day,
<v Speaker 1>I've interviewed so many people, listen to so many encounter stories,
<v Speaker 1>and I have not heard anyone and say the same thing,
<v Speaker 1>like if I was gonna make up a Bigfoot story,
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't use a detail that doesn't line up with
<v Speaker 1>anyone else's story. But that's what I saw, and I
<v Speaker 1>definitely feel like whatever those elongated skulls are is similar
<v Speaker 1>to what I encountered that day, and it ties back
<v Speaker 1>to what we were talking about before this with the
<v Speaker 1>Book of Enoch, the fallen angels breeding with humans and animals.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, when he hid behind that tree, like when
<v Speaker 1>he turned slowly and looked at me, he saw me,
<v Speaker 1>his eyes about bulged out of his head like he
<v Speaker 1>looked like he just saw the devil. Yeah, he freaked
<v Speaker 1>out and he hid behind the tree. When he hid
<v Speaker 1>behind the tree, he never came back back out, Like
<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear him running, like when you see when
<v Speaker 1>you spook a deer, you can hear like it runs off.
<v Speaker 1>Like No, when he hid behind that tree, the forest
<v Speaker 1>went dead, silent, and I didn't hear anything. I didn't
<v Speaker 1>see anything. That's it. It was like a magic trick.
<v Speaker 1>When he hid behind the tree, It's like he was gone,
<v Speaker 1>like he went into another dimension. I always theorized like
<v Speaker 1>maybe he spider crawled and when he did, he kept
<v Speaker 1>like the tree between me and him. But still I
<v Speaker 1>feel like I would have heard something like he just
<v Speaker 1>hid and vanished. It was like a Houdini like magic trick.
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow, that's amazing.
<v Speaker 3>Hm.
<v Speaker 2>So do you think maybe with the two large canines
<v Speaker 2>and I guess something like is sagenal cress maybe a
<v Speaker 2>young male.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was definitely a juvenile, like a toddler, Like
<v Speaker 1>this thing was just a baby. And the only reason
<v Speaker 1>like he took off on all fours was because when
<v Speaker 1>I was sneaking around for one second, I wasn't paying
<v Speaker 1>attention and like I skidded, like I don't know, like
<v Speaker 1>I stepped on a piece of gravel and went and
<v Speaker 1>that's when he scrayed on all fours.
<v Speaker 3>So he heard that.
<v Speaker 1>But you can tell, like I could tell when I
<v Speaker 1>was observing him, like he thought he heard something and
<v Speaker 1>it kind of it kind of ticked them off that
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't figure out.
<v Speaker 3>What it was.
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow, that's amazing. That's that's really cool. Yeah, maybe
<v Speaker 2>I have to visit Missouri then, because although I mean
<v Speaker 2>to dreap be told, I haven't. I haven't spent that
<v Speaker 2>much time in the ways of looking for in hotspots
<v Speaker 2>in West Virginia, but you know I would. I'd love to,
<v Speaker 2>and I know my dad is My dad loves hearing
<v Speaker 2>these stories too. He's someone i'd love to share an
<v Speaker 2>encounter with, whether it was in person or just tell him, like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Dad, I saw one. And these aren't just stories,
<v Speaker 2>like they are absolutely real, because he's like me, he
<v Speaker 2>very much accepts that they could be real. He thinks
<v Speaker 2>that they make a lot of sense. He doesn't think
<v Speaker 2>everyone's a liar, but he's not a you know, he's
<v Speaker 2>not a knowers. He's never had an experience, So as
<v Speaker 2>far as he and I go, we just try to
<v Speaker 2>take it in and hope that one day we get
<v Speaker 2>to see something amazing. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, And I mean without actually seeing one,
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to believe. And I'm glad you're open minded.
<v Speaker 1>Before I had experiences and encounters, I'd listened to these
<v Speaker 1>stories and I would remain neutral. I would remain open minded,
<v Speaker 1>but like reality would set in and I'm like, these
<v Speaker 1>things don't exist. And then later on I'd listened to
<v Speaker 1>more stories and I'm like, oh, that guy's sounding pretty sincere, Like,
<v Speaker 1>oh man, that guy was crying. That sounds like a
<v Speaker 1>grown man crying. It sounds like he actually saw something.
<v Speaker 1>But after you listen to a story, you gravitate back towards.
<v Speaker 3>Reality and you're like, I don't know, and.
<v Speaker 1>The cycle continues. But once you see one, it breaks
<v Speaker 1>that cycle of doubt and it's like, oh, shoot, there's
<v Speaker 1>no going back.
<v Speaker 3>I've seen one of these things.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, that's exactly I'm you know, at that first
<v Speaker 2>step you described where it's not I don't even really
<v Speaker 2>doubt it. It's because I've seen enough and I've read
<v Speaker 2>enough to know that there's a lot of propaganda in
<v Speaker 2>our culture that any any reputable accounts, like like Bowie
<v Speaker 2>and Crockett, and there are other historical ones that that
<v Speaker 2>I've read, they tend to be buried, right, So, like,
<v Speaker 2>so I fully accept all of that. It's just so
<v Speaker 2>it's not that I really doubt it. I'm more in
<v Speaker 2>the space of I'm just like, uh, discouraged. I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 2>I wish I could, I wish I would see that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, just uh, maybe I'm trying to think of
<v Speaker 2>a good example. Maybe in a similar way to to
<v Speaker 2>how people might tell you that, you know, when they
<v Speaker 2>were hiking, they saw snow leopard, you know, and you're like,
<v Speaker 2>it's not that you think snow leopards can't exist or anything.
<v Speaker 2>But you're just like, man, what are the odds? And
<v Speaker 2>of course I didn't get to see that. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's something like that is how I feel.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure. I hope Joe Rogan sees one
<v Speaker 1>because he's got a lot of followers, and for someone
<v Speaker 1>like him to come I'm around, that would definitely be
<v Speaker 1>a game changer, and I think could flip his world
<v Speaker 1>upside down.
<v Speaker 2>I agree, I agree. I hope that if he did
<v Speaker 2>see one, that he would be humble enough to admit it,
<v Speaker 2>because he's really made fun of them a lot. I know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what your opinions having seen them first
<v Speaker 2>hand on on the Patterson Gimlin film, but I've studied
<v Speaker 2>that as in depth as I can, and I think
<v Speaker 2>it's I think it's legitimate, and I've listened to some
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff Rogan has said about it, and I
<v Speaker 2>just think he's so way off base. He says, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's just so obviously a dumb guy in a suit,
<v Speaker 2>and I honestly, even as you know, again I'm not
<v Speaker 2>a knower. I've never seen one, but I think that
<v Speaker 2>is a delusional take. When you look at that footage,
<v Speaker 2>I thinking that that's a guy in a suit in
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties, to me is borderline delusional. But again,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to hate on any That's just my opinion.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, just go to a huge dry creek
<v Speaker 1>bed and walk as fluently as that creature while looking
<v Speaker 1>over at the camera. See if you can do it.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that would be a good experiment without like
<v Speaker 1>tripping or anything. Because when that thing was walking, he
<v Speaker 1>was looking over at Bob Gimmelin and Roger Patterson and
<v Speaker 1>he never missed a beat. And you can tell that's
<v Speaker 1>a really rocky creek. I couldn't do that if I
<v Speaker 1>was walking down a creek while looking over.
<v Speaker 2>Right in the equivalent of of you know, limited vision
<v Speaker 2>and clown shoes because you're wearing the big you know,
<v Speaker 2>the big fake balls and stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's true in a suit too.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and so, and then that's to say nothing of
<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing for me, as I've watched, there are
<v Speaker 2>some great clips that completely stabilize Patty while while holding
<v Speaker 2>steady on the surrounding scenery. And when you look at
<v Speaker 2>that you can see the muscles move. I mean, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I've you know, I'm a veteran I've
<v Speaker 2>done stuff where where you you know, basically stake out
<v Speaker 2>and watch for watch for enemies and stuff and so so, like,
<v Speaker 2>I do have a perspective of understanding, like what you
<v Speaker 2>look for in people moving and recognizing that and just
<v Speaker 2>seeing the seeing the upper leg muscles flex as as
<v Speaker 2>this creature walks. To me, that is the nail in
<v Speaker 2>the coffin where I'm like, I've never seen anything any suit,
<v Speaker 2>even today in twenty twenty five, where we have much
<v Speaker 2>more technology recreate that. That is to me, that's kind
<v Speaker 2>of the that's the siding factor.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. I mean it looks legit to me.
<v Speaker 1>It looks similar to the sasquatch that I've seen. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't look identical, but when Patty looks over, I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 1>it's got that same look as the sasquatch that I
<v Speaker 1>had seen. Like I was telling you, three weeks before
<v Speaker 1>the juvenile, I encountered an adult and it looked like Patty,
<v Speaker 1>except it was jet black and the head was more round,
<v Speaker 1>and it looked older. It looked ancient. And yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I definitely think the Patty footage is real.
<v Speaker 2>Jeez, that's amazing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you're in a good place to look for bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>West Virginia is loaded with strange activity and especially with
<v Speaker 1>UFO activities, So you're bound to run into something, whether
<v Speaker 1>it's Mothman, Bigfoot, UFOs, or something else. Hopefully it's just bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>because when you run into something else, it really changes
<v Speaker 1>your mind. And there's different levels to this, Like a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people there's this battle between skeptics and bigfoot believers.
<v Speaker 1>But even in like you were saying earlier, like the knowers,
<v Speaker 1>if you talk about the supernatural, the big Foot believers
<v Speaker 1>will ridicule you. And then there's people that believe in
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot and the supernatural, and then there's other levels where people.
<v Speaker 3>Believe in dog man.
<v Speaker 1>And then you go past the like what we're talking
<v Speaker 1>about today, like dinos, reptilians, little people, portals, and you
<v Speaker 1>get ridiculed by even people that believe in Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 3>It's like, that's crazy.
<v Speaker 1>This is an unknown primate species that's living out in
<v Speaker 1>the woods. And I mean, you can't win. But the
<v Speaker 1>truth is there are unsolved mysteries on this planet. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's why I do this. I'm a I'm an investigator,
<v Speaker 1>a truth seeker, and I'm really fascinated by the giants,
<v Speaker 1>the Bermuda Triangle and all the different triangles around the planet,
<v Speaker 1>archaeological discoveries that.
<v Speaker 3>Have been made.
<v Speaker 1>There's rumors that there's Egyptian style finds in like the
<v Speaker 1>Grand Canyon, there's the Black Pyramid. There's so many different things,
<v Speaker 1>so many different levels, and when you tie it all in,
<v Speaker 1>like it all leads back to the Book of Enoch
<v Speaker 1>and Genesis, and I feel like, although there's holes in
<v Speaker 1>the stories, like in the Bible or even in modern
<v Speaker 1>day science, there's a bunch of holes, there's truth to
<v Speaker 1>it all. I'm not saying science isn't fact, but there's
<v Speaker 1>there's missing pieces to both sides of the story. And
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I wouldn't join like religion and science,
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like there's truth to both sides. That's
<v Speaker 1>all I'm saying.
<v Speaker 2>I completely agree. I completely agree with that, and I think,
<v Speaker 2>you know, as you alluded to, and then I should
<v Speaker 2>probably get killing here in about five minutes. But last
<v Speaker 2>thing I'll say is just that you know, the Genesis account,
<v Speaker 2>it kind of it kind of gives a brief overview,
<v Speaker 2>So it gives a brief overview of of you know,
<v Speaker 2>the biblical creation story, and then as well as as
<v Speaker 2>the inbreeding of fallen angels with humans and potentially with
<v Speaker 2>the rest of creation. It kind of gives a fifty
<v Speaker 2>thousand foot view. And then the Book of Enoch and
<v Speaker 2>the Book of Giants, while not being biblical, I believe
<v Speaker 2>them to be, you know, written in ancient history. And
<v Speaker 2>and they they kind of they coincide with it. They
<v Speaker 2>fill in the gaps in the same way that you know,
<v Speaker 2>someone might give a summary of the life of George
<v Speaker 2>Washington and then a you know, someone who's writing a
<v Speaker 2>biography on him might fill in a lot of the details.
<v Speaker 2>And they they they're complementary accounts. So that's kind of
<v Speaker 2>how I view that. And I think that that does
<v Speaker 2>kind of give a very good understanding for the origins
<v Speaker 2>of a lot of these things. And you know, ancient technologies,
<v Speaker 2>as you alluded to, you know, civilizations in the Grand
<v Speaker 2>Canyon where you know it's literally banned, you can't go
<v Speaker 2>in the majority of it. That there's as you said,
<v Speaker 2>there's kind of a deep set of things to this.
<v Speaker 2>And and I'm not saying that every single claim is true.
<v Speaker 2>I would never say that, but but I'm what I
<v Speaker 2>would say, is you know, as someone who as a
<v Speaker 2>kid saw what looked like a dinosaurs dinosaur carcass, and
<v Speaker 2>if I ever saw a bigfoot or something like that,
<v Speaker 2>I would never make fun of someone then who claims
<v Speaker 2>to have seen a dog man, you know, just because
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen it. I'm I'm more open to I'm
<v Speaker 2>the type of person like my approaches. Give me your
<v Speaker 2>argument and show me the evidence you have and and
<v Speaker 2>I'll hear you out, you know, especially if I have
<v Speaker 2>my own crazy experiences and theories. You know, I wouldn't.
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't just rule rule someone out just because I
<v Speaker 2>haven't personally experienced it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And that's the approach that I take with the channel.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, well I wasn't there, this is what they say,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm all ears. All right, Larry, you did an
<v Speaker 1>excellent job. I appreciate you for sharing your experiences, your theories,
<v Speaker 1>and your knowledge regarding the subject with me.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I appreciate it. This was a
<v Speaker 2>great chat.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And if you ever run into a cryptive creature
<v Speaker 1>in the future, feel free to reach out.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I absolutely will.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, you have a good night, and I
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you, you too, seeah see you. Larry's story is one
<v Speaker 1>of those accounts that stays with you long after the
<v Speaker 1>conversation ends. From a childhood encounter involving what appeared to
<v Speaker 1>be a dinosaur like creature to the unsettling discovery of
<v Speaker 1>a massive carcass, to the broader implications of similar sightings
<v Speaker 1>reported across the United States, this episode pushes the boundaries
<v Speaker 1>of what we're taught to accept as possible. By tying
<v Speaker 1>these experiences to ancient texts like the Book of Enoch,
<v Speaker 1>Larry offers a perspective that suggests cryptid activity may be
<v Speaker 1>connected to forgotten history rather than fantasy. Whether you view
<v Speaker 1>this episode with curiosity, skepticism, or an open mind, it
<v Speaker 1>raises important questions about what may still exist beyond our
<v Speaker 1>current understanding and why some truths remain buried. If you
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed this episode, please like the video, subscribe to the channel,
<v Speaker 1>and if you have a bigfooter crypt encounter you would
<v Speaker 1>like to share with me someday, feel free to reach
<v Speaker 1>out at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. With all
<v Speaker 1>that being said, keep your eyes peeled and be safe
<v Speaker 1>out in the forest.