Dolphins Release Tyreek Hill and Who Gets Tagged? Daniel Jones, Kenneth Walker, Kyle Pitts and More!

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are not a dolphin safe show today.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm home.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to my friend Jordan rodrig who's across the city, whose dad.

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Speaker 2: Joke from text about an hour or two ago I just stole. Welcome, Welcome back to NFL Daily. Jordan. We miss be.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: You had a great week of shows in the gap between our fantastic and super fun Super Bowl recap. I loved hearing Mina and I loved hearing Bill. I love I always love hearing Ali. You know this, so it was fun. It was fun for me to kind of just sleep for the last five days and listen to everything.

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Speaker 2: No no comment on your corny joke.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, listeners don't know how much Jordan loves a dad joke, but you really, they really do, because they've been listening to you for a couple of years now. And we'll have more opportunities for said jokes because yes, we'll talk about Tyreek Hill and all the dolphins being cut.

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Speaker 2: We do have just kind of drips and drabs of news.

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Speaker 1: As we are in a flash flood warning in Los Angeles right now and so if you hear anything in the background, that's the ring.

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Speaker 2: And then we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: A little primer on the franchise tag. It's an exercise I've done for a long time now on the podcast, and it gives us a chance of who to say, who we think is gonna get tagged, who won't, and gives us a chance to talk about some of the biggest names that are going to be on my top one oh one free agent's list, which is in process. I kind of have my rough draft ready and now I got to decide where to put Tyreek Hill and Bradley Chubb and maybe Nick Westbrook er Keine and maybe James Daniels. I don't know if they're gonna make the cut, but I'll let you go first here, Jordan. The Dolphins new front office made a lot of cuts, none of which were shocking, but they kind of the first team to just make all these big moves. And Tyreek Hill specifically is a big name who is immediately available on the free agency market. If a team wanted to talk to him and potentially sign him in the next week, they could Bradley Chubble. See it's not official yet, but just you your thoughts on this overall group and what it means for the Dolphins.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think to your point, inevitable in some ways because John Eric Sullivan and Jeff Haffley, you knew immediately once they set up shop and sort of got let the dust settle.

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Speaker 3: Post Super Bowl is really when.

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Speaker 4: A lot of this stuff starts to formally happen, Gearing up toward the combine, gearing up toward free agency, starting in a couple of weeks. You knew that they were going to identity shift the team, right. This was a team that was built somewhat incongruently in some ways, but a lot of ways on offense especially, had an identity that fit what Mike McDaniel wanted to do in terms of a lot of speed. You know, Tyreek Hill coming off the injury, that's going to be an interesting one to watch and all.

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Speaker 3: Of the off.

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Speaker 4: The field stuff that he always seems to be involved in as well, and.

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Speaker 3: See how certain teams pick that up.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's not a surprise to me to see this sort of mass exit of a lot of these players that we've known to be a core part of the roster for the last couple of years and the big question at quarterback still remains.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see what the Dolphins do over the next couple weeks.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the insiders who have been reporting about this on Monday morning indicated that for now, you know, they're not cutting to a I think they would like to get a trade partner. We talked about that on the Trade Candidate Show with Bill Barnwell. I'm sure I'll be referring to that show a lot over the next couple of weeks. And the Dolphins would love to get a trade partner. The problem is they're going to have to give up something because Tua's contract is so onerous, They're going to have to give up I think picks with Tua just to get anyone to take his contract on and make it work financially. That would save them a lot of money, which they would love to do. I struggle to imagine a team's going to do that, But there are a few teams that just have a ton of cap space. You never know, talking about cap space all these moves, and let's go through Tyreek Hill, you know, five time All Pro, probably a future Hall of Famer, you know, had great years in Miami, Bradley Chubb, who missed all of twenty twenty four with an injury, but played fairly well in twenty three.

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Speaker 2: And twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not you know, as big as his name is, but he did have production. And then James Daniels was the guy they gave twenty four million dollars to just last offseason. He only played three snaps for them. He had been healthy before. That's just bad luck, and now they're going to cut him. So they went from over eighteen million dollars over the cap Jordan, to eleven million dollars under the cap. So just with these four moves, they are now, you know, close to what you need to be for the offseason cap compliant. The problem is they have fifty six million dollars in dead cap just from these cuts. So next time you hear like your favorite quarterback or actually good player is overpaid, like oh, he gets too much money, Like teams are willing to put fifty six million dollars in dead cap for guys who won't even be on the roster.

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Speaker 2: And they had to do that.

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Speaker 1: They had to make, you know it right, for all the decisions that Chris Greer had made poorly over the last few years. But that Tyreek Hill deal they just gave to him a couple of years ago seems insane now that like they gave him another deal just two years ago. My question is what should I do with Tyreek on the top one oh one, because initially I kind of slot him in one place and then I thought about it. He's coming off a dislocated knee. Yeah, and the torn ACL and the off field stuff is you know, a major concern because even though he hasn't been suspended of late, the Dolphins were dealing with a lot of issues, and to me, he'd kind of be be hands off right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And you have to see too, because unfortunately, I don't know that a lot of teams are going to factor the latter part in as much as they would factor in the injury concerns, So you have to see how he returns from it. I could see him being like a late summer addition for a team that is looking for like a Stefan Diggs type of addition, someone who could really infuse speed.

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Speaker 3: Maybe even if he, like let's.

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Speaker 4: Say he comes back from the injury and he's lost a step or two, still one of the fastest players we've ever seen playing football. So you know, it's one of those things where I could see a team taking a flyer and trying to especially if they think they're in a competitive space, adding you know, maybe a cheaper veteran, someone who can infuse speed and talent for the quarterback, especially if they're quarterback. Let's say they have a young guy, he's further along maybe than they thought he might be. I could definitely see this happening like late June. And it's interesting because Greg the I think they have up to thirty six million they can save just depending on some of the levers they can pull in these releases. So it's still a huge amount of dead money that they're incurring, and if they move from to US even more or so. But the thing about this is that teams don't care about this as much anymore. They are so willing to take a massive hit in terms of dead cap in the short term and absorb almost as much as they can over one year of pain, try to maximize draft capital in that year and try to build some new core of their roster in that year without spending a ton in free agency, and then almost it almost like gives you an auto reset.

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Speaker 3: It's like a windshield wiper.

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Speaker 4: Now it's rating I'm thinking of this, say a windshield wiper on your entire basically team build and then you can start start over again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very well put by you, and it's not that hard to do, and teams are totally more willing and a lot of the best teams in the league have had tons of big dead cap hits over the last few years, including the Eagles, do it basically year after year. Bradley Chubb is a guy who I initially slotted into like the fifties or.

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Speaker 2: So of my top one O one.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of free agents that I like more than him because of his injury history and because of his age. But he's still a productive player. And as I get closer to her, I might I might inch him up. I might be in a little harsh on him initially.

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Speaker 4: But yes, because he's a pass rusher greg and you're going to a team that thinks they need there.

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Speaker 1: Are one per streussures though, Yeah, there are a lot a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, teams that think they're one. I mean, look at the Bills.

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Speaker 4: They're They're willing to pick up any veteran pass rusher like with a pulse, as long as he can get him to one extra game in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Like Joey Bosa, I do have ahead of Bradley Chubb.

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Speaker 2: To me, he he was a better player.

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Speaker 1: If you're thinking of similar types of players, Khalil Mack I have ahead of Bradley Chubb. And then there's actually, you know, some younger, more intriguing players that are even a little higher.

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Speaker 2: But Chubb.

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Speaker 1: Chubb will get signed and do plenty. While I'm not projecting who makes the most money, it's more like who I believe in the most. Derek Carr could potentially be on the list. He's interested in playing again for the right team. On the Homegrown podcast with our colleague David Carr, I don't know if.

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Speaker 2: You've had a lot of quality time with David, good guy.

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Speaker 1: You know he once to help us get Derek Carr, you know, to unblock us on the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 2: That was exciting.

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Speaker 1: The most interesting thing about the Derek Carr you know conversation is that he said he's already turned down some teams we know the Colts last year, but even indicated maybe this offseason.

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Speaker 2: He's mentioned it that he'd only do it for like a super.

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Speaker 1: Bowl team, And it does go to our friend Adams point on our on our Favorite team podcast, the Saints Block Party podcast, where he was like, this guy's just kind of like Quity. He doesn't want to be on the Saints. Mickey Loomis doesn't want him on the Saints. The Saints still control his his rights. I don't know if there'd be much of a trade market for Derek Carr, but if he can find a right landing spot, maybe he will be playing in the NFL this year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, as long as we're making statements like this, Greg, I am also ready and willing to return to the market so long as Pedro Pascal is available.

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Speaker 2: You know. Well, but here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Derek could absolutely not only just get a job in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: You might have to settle for less Derek. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Like, yeah, if he wants to be on a super Bowl contender as a starter, yeah, that's obviously not happened. If he wanted to be like his brother on a super Bowl contender as a backup, I think I think that could happen. That would that would make sense. David Carr as they always bring up on our NFL Network show, like two time NFL champion or one time NFL Chamian. I don't remember Super Bowl Jami as a backup to ELI, so that that could happen. Just something to keep an eye on with it. With the quarterback market, the Rams and Niners two teams that could at least the Rams could be in the market for a backup, maybe bringing Derek Carr to the Rams if Jimmy Garoppolo leaves. It was announced, you know, while we were away a little bit, but I did want to hit it that they're going to be playing in Australia, which is intriguing, and it will be a Week one game, which is intriguing, and that it might be on the Wednesday before Week one. I thought Labor Day would be fun, but it's it's being reported and the reporting has changed, so you never know that it'll be Wednesday or Thursday in Australia before the season. If it was Thursday, they would probably let the Seahawks kick the season off on Wednesday. I think that in that scenario sounds like they're not going to do a double header, but those will be the two games back to back. We might start the season in Australia. Have you started to push the athletic to try to send.

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Speaker 2: You on that trip.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of of pitches as to how I can make it there. I was talking to our friends Will Gavin and Laurie. I think his last names pronounced Horsh, but there's probably a different accent to it because he's Australian. Does ESPN Australia out there? We're trying to come up with in Santa Clara. We were last week or two weeks ago. We were trying to come up with like ideas of how I could get out there. I'm a big fan of Tim Tams the candy, so every time I see Laurie. Every time I see Laurie, he brings me a couple of Tim Tams and I'm like, man, I gotta get out there. I got to figure out how to load up a suitcase with that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I can just hear the Seahawks fans now, if Rams Niners starts the season.

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Speaker 2: Like this is disrespectful to us. You know, come down. That game will be on NBC. That'll be the big game.

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Speaker 1: They'll they'll pick a great matchup that they have plenty of matchups out of the division that are fantastic. Oh, Chiefs are one of them. That's not going to be it because you're not going to take the risk of Patrick. Maybe it'll be the Bears that would be fun. They're on the schedule, the home schedule, Caleb Williams in Seattle for the home opener, but I think that'd be fun.

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Speaker 2: And then they should play on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Give them as much time as possible to kind of readjust coming back quickly. Trinidad Chambliss, the old miss quarterback, finally won his appeals and he will go back to school. That's just a quick thing I wanted to mention because he probably was the QB three maybe four in this class. Was probably a day to pick. But the money's better in college, so he's staying in college. And now I'm gonna rip through a ton of little coaching updates and we'll hit the Harbass story afterwards. But you tell me which one of these you want to hit on after I rip through Seahawks with some hires. They got their offensive coordinator. It's a surprising choice. Brian Flurry, the forty nine ers tight ends coach, so a creative choice there and a first time o see in a big spot for Seattle. Zach Orr, the former Raven also is gonna join that defensive staff. He used to be a coordinator. Also Daniel Stern, who a lot of geeks like yourself love kind of as the strategy dude in Baltimore. Interesting hires there For Seattle, the Browns have hired Mike Ruttenberg as their defensive coordinator. Ruttenberg was under Jeff Olbrich in Atlanta last year and Raheem Morris, so that's an interesting hire. But another first time DC under first time NFL head coach Todd munkin Clint Kubiak staff in Las Vegas, he elevated a defensive line coach, Rob Leonard as defensive coordinator, so another first timer Mike McCoy is on that staff. Joe DeCamillis is back in the NFL for old Heads as a special teams coach.

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Speaker 2: He's a fun guy.

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Speaker 1: And then your guy Matt Mike Laflur and by your guy, just mean he worked for the Rams. He kept Nick Rallis as defensive coordinator, which was interesting. I thought Nick Rallis did a good job, so expect the creative defenses there to stay.

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Speaker 2: Matt Shabb is his quarterback coach.

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Speaker 1: When I see Matt Shobb's name, I'm just gonna mention it on the show. And then John Fox is back in the NFL as part of a coaching staff that I got to say, I think Joe Brady has nailed. I'm giving you the choice to hit one of those. What is the most interesting of all those, Well.

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Speaker 4: I think it's Brian Fleury in Seattle. It's interesting. They clearly wanted to keep the tenets of the Shanahan run scheme in Seattle, and Mike McDonald, you know, went through a lot of internal candidates before he settled on an external candidate.

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Speaker 3: Prying him away from Kyle.

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Speaker 4: Shannan is something you can't You obviously can't stop at a certain point if it's a promotion, but it's going to be felt in that building. He is George Kittle's favorite coach outside of John Embry, who is.

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Speaker 3: In Miami of all time.

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Speaker 4: George Kittle and we sat down in the summer for a story that I did for The Athletic and he has lots of thoughts and opinions on the modern tight end coach and how sometimes it's kind of an extra spot or it's like where a lot of like the social climbers or the guys who are not going to be on the staff for long are because they're going to get promoted into other positions. He had two coaches that he had a significant, extreme level of respect for.

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Speaker 3: One of them was Brian Fleur. The other was John Embry.

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Speaker 4: And he also kind of looks like George Kittle for fifty years from now. I'm not saying he's that old, but they kind of look like they're related to each other in some way. My other thought, and I know you're only giving me one, but my other thought was, Mike Lafloor is clearly trying to do what Matt Lflour has done with Sean Mannion, which is bring a quarterback in a former quarterback that he knows really well in to help coach his offense or help install coach up his next quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And the last thought, Greg, do you think.

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Speaker 4: That Mike Ruttenberg calls his defensive playbook the Ruttenberg Bible.

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I that goes over my head, like, oh the Like I'm not a religious guy, you know, Sutenberg.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah is going to love that one.

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Speaker 4: He was.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to do like a root and tutin joke or something.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you think so? You think so little of me.

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Speaker 2: Greg, Brian Fleury. It hits me.

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Speaker 1: Was there with Sam Darnold in San Francisco, Yes, not that he was, he was coaching him directly, but he was in, you know, a tight ends coach there.

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Speaker 2: At the I think this is a really so incestuous.

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Speaker 1: The whole divisi is preposterous, and that's why I don't like the Michael fluur higher because we need to just break out of this vicious cycle. And once again the Cardinals are like at the bottom of the barrel in terms of their choices.

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Speaker 2: But hopefully Michael fer won't be like that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, a lot of names will be talking about throughout the course of the season. You wanted to talk a little bit about the John Harbaugh article by Ian O'Connor, who for the athletics seems to be the official John Harbaugh whisper slash.

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Speaker 4: There's got to be a book coming, like I have to think, right, I can't wait to read it.

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Speaker 1: It's much but it's also very good reporting, and it's good and we know how John Harbaugh with all respect that you know Connor, who's doing an amazing job and I'm obviously is considering multiple things here, but like we're kind of seeing John Harbaugh's vision through Ian and he's reporting that. And part of the article was just about the structure. Maybe the most interesting thing here is that their new hire Donna Ponte, who used to work for the Dolphins and then it's been in the U League office for a long time.

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Speaker 2: It is above Joe Shane on.

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Speaker 1: The depth chart that everyone is reporting to Dona Ponte, who then reports to John Harbaugh. So there's like another layer of remove where Joe Shane is just scouting.

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Speaker 2: And that's it. At least that's the most interesting to me. What hit you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the most interesting part to me. And I think that and just from like a nuts and bold standpoint, because I know you and I like to talk about reporting a lot too, Whereas like I think he's doing it in a really smart way where and I'm not just saying that because we're colleagues. I look up to him enormously, but like I think he's going about in a really smart way where there's been a lot of like stuff and nonsense put out there by certain team officials talking about a unilateral decision making and all this stuff, and it's making it clear that not only is that not the case, but John Harbaugh is seems to be the one that's making it clear that that's not the case.

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Speaker 3: Here a few weeks later.

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Speaker 4: And it goes to show to me how much first of all, anyone.

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Speaker 3: With a pulse could have seen and known immediately.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody believed this group when they said like, oh, no, we're going to hold the helmet equally and all that. Like, I don't think they believe that for one second, but they still kind of kept force feeding that into the narrative from the organization. And it goes to show like, first of all, yes, John Harbaugh is very much in charge. I think that if you're going to have an overhang GM with a shaky track record, this is exactly the way you need to do it.

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Speaker 3: You have to acquiesce control. If you're going to hire.

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Speaker 4: Somebody who is has such a resume as John Harbad does and such a vision for what he specifically wants, and you're going to keep the old GM the GM quite naturally has to acquiesce power and control. But what the other side of this is is how much so much of this hiring, these hiring.

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Speaker 3: Cycles greg are titled and.

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Speaker 4: Like sort of coordinated to protect the ego of men who are worrying about that versus building a team. So I just feel like we get some of these like peaks behind the curtain when this like aftershock reporting comes out, which is what this is the first thirty days, and it's making a statement very a statement that was sort of pushed aside or quelled or tried to quell for the sake of ego, like very very clear and obvious the way that we all thought that it was right and.

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Speaker 1: A cynic or at least maybe a realist would say, like the ego of John Harbaugh is a big part of this too.

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Speaker 3: In that half.

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Speaker 1: The article is like how hard he's working, he has not had time to even go to and I'm sure it's all true, but it's given us his four am workout routine, which I love that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But it's one of those.

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Speaker 1: Articles that if it doesn't go well in New York, you'll look back and be like, like, like he's feeling himself here and I would too if I just signed a one hundred million dollar contract, and uh yeah, the whole building is basically reporting to Dona Ponte.

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Speaker 3: Who is reporting to John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 4: And it's interesting because I think those types of details paint a picture of somebody who wants people to know he's still got this, you know, like I still am capable. I still am even though it was maybe not as mutual parting from the Ravens as I'd like people to think that it was, or they'd like people to think that it was. Like I'm in control, and this is why it will work, that I am in I.

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Speaker 2: Got the juice and I got them, I got them muscles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and let's come back and let's talk TAG before we get out here.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to go through like the top potential guys who could get the franchise, tag and kissops.

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily feeling bad. I wasn't totally.

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Speaker 2: Sure what the Gutenberg Bible was like.

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Speaker 1: It sounded vaguely familiar, but to me, Gutenberg is more rightly known as Steve.

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Speaker 2: From the Police Attic Academy series. That's I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know if it's the most famous book, but yeah, I would say book a job. There's you know, I know a lot of other types of book, but not that one.

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Speaker 2: Tag primer. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: I set up our players into different sections, and yes, I was raised completely without religion and clueless.

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Speaker 2: My kids are going to be even more clueless, which I worry about. I set it into different sections. Jordan. The first section, and we'll just go through them. Is a lock.

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Speaker 1: I only have one that's a lock. It's already been reported. It's George Pickens. I think the most interesting thing to think about George Pickens right now is could tag and trade him? And if so, what would the price be? The wide receiver tag is twenty eight million. Twenty eight point eight, so a nice come up for George Pickens considering where he was last year.

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Speaker 2: It's not like the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Dumped him, but that was you know, they were getting mid round picks for him, and now he's getting twenty eight million. At least. Cowboys have a lot of cap issues. I tend to think they will just tag and keep him. But what do you think the market would be if if they kind of opened it up for offers?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think you're looking at at least a second round pick, maybe a couple of mid round picks for George Pickens, who you're gonna need to pay if you're an acquiring team, So you have to factor that in as well. He's such a talent, and so that's part of the reason why I can't see the Cowboys parting with him. Outside of one extremely notable exception last offseason, a lot of times they've done a pretty decent job of like keeping their players who who are their good players essentially again, outside of the Micah Parsons situte.

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Speaker 1: Many of them, some Cowboys fans would would argue that they've given some big contracts to not even great players.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, and so I think that's that's a factor here. What we absolutely can't roll out is the fact that Jerry Jones is going to want this in the media for as long as possible into the spring and summer. So I'm sure we're going to hear and you know what, like the wild card here and I know you guys you talked about it.

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Speaker 3: I think with DJ on a previous.

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Speaker 4: Show, is David Mulgeta being George Pickens agent also Michaeh Parsons agent, also somebody who Jerry Jones insulted last offseason ahead of the even the negotiation process with Micah Parsons. And you try to think, Okay, well, that can't possibly play a factor in people doing their jobs and executing. But if there is going to be straws that are maybe grasped out of reasons to not sign a player that they need, that they want to use that an owner with the history of sort of holding on to these types of things wants to use that could be one of them.

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Speaker 3: It certainly would be the stuff of the type of.

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Speaker 4: Noise that they want to perpetuate about their brand into the offseason. I think the smart thing to do would be to tag him and keep him. But again, George Pickens and David Mulghetto will probably have some sort of conversation or say about this too.

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Speaker 1: They have a they're thirty million dollars over the cap. They can do a million restructors, and obviously they can figure it out. But you know, if you tag guy, that's just a clean twenty eight million dollars. I hate the franchise tag. I think they should get rid of it. In the next CBA. It's so hard for these guys to earn. Like they're right, you know, there is no free market in the NFL, but closer to what free market value would be that it seems like unfairly weighted against the players.

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Speaker 2: That said, since it does exist, this is a.

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Speaker 1: Situation where if I'm the Cowboys, I would not want to give George Pickens a long term deal because of the up and down nature of his career. I think one year is perfect, and if you did have a team willing to give up a second plus, I don't think it's a I don't think it's crazy to trade him at all because I don't think paying him and Ceede Lamb like between him sixty million dollars long term is maybe that big of a winning strategy, But most likely you kick the can down the corner because I don't think teams are going to give up much for George Pickens, to be honest with when you have to pay them that much money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's.

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Speaker 4: The contract aside, which we can't logically put it aside, because it's going to be something that.

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Speaker 1: You're going to have to pay him to have one hundred million dollars guaranteed, So do you want to do that plus picks for George Pickens.

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Speaker 2: I don't think many teams will. Yeah, the picks aren't great.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I would think the Cowboys have some leverage there. But looking at some of the rest of these names, and then also the names and the free agency list, there are going to be teams who miss out on getting their number one receiver.

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Speaker 3: Again, perhaps like.

00:26:57
Speaker 4: Teams that have struggled to nail this position over the course of the last couple of years, there are going to be teams that are maybe not wanting to take a risk on Tyreek Hill because of the injury stuff, because of the off field stuff, and maybe the contract becomes a little bit more palatable in that case if you think, Okay, we can bring this guy in and he's going to be our difference maker and we think we have the right program for.

00:27:21
Speaker 3: Him as well.

00:27:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it'd be fun. I like, because you're not.

00:27:25
Speaker 4: Getting Alec Pierce, you know, you're not getting some of these guys on here.

00:27:31
Speaker 3: You just some of these potential tag guys. What a segue, I know.

00:27:34
Speaker 2: Very good.

00:27:35
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and we talked aj Brown, you know, Brian Thomas Junior that there will be yeah, Michael Pittman potentially receivers available for a trade, But these are more about tags and yes your segue the section I categorized leaning yes. So if I had to guess, I think these players would get tagged, and I have five players in this year. Alec Pierce I think will happen. We'll start with him. Breise Hall I think will get to tag o Dafe Oway maybe should have been more in my fifty to fifty tier, now that I say it out loud, But if I would go like fifty two to forty eight, I'm leaning, Kenneth Walker, I'm leaning yes, and Kyle Pitts I'm leaning yet. So we'll go through them one by one. But Pierce in Daniel Jones is the most interesting situation I think on this entire list, because they're both free agents, they're both eligible for the franchise tag. A franchise tag for Daniel Jones would be forty seven million dollars, which seems prohibitive, so you would just think that they're going to have to figure out some sort of contract if they want to keep him. And that's partly why I do lean yes that twenty eight million dollars is a lot for Alic Pierce. But as you know, but just to remind the listeners, it's very often a tool to get them to a long term contact contract extension, and a lot of times the contract happens before you even need the tag and it's just kind of sitting in the background as something almost threatened by the team, and eventually you just get that contract. One it sounds like you think he will stay, and you agree.

00:29:03
Speaker 4: With me here, I think that Alec Pierce is more of an extension candidate and Daniel Jones is more of the tag candidate here, especially because Alec Pierce will be ultra tradable if you decide maybe you're going in a different direction, or a new coaching staff comes in, let's say after twenty twenty six, and they go I can't imagine not wanting one of the most explosive players we've seen in the last couple of years in the NFL. But if they go in a different direction, like he would be I think tradable.

00:29:36
Speaker 1: Whereas then by that logic, the guy whose tradium is fired.

00:29:40
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that plays a huge role.

00:29:44
Speaker 4: Okay, well it's not like it doesn't play a huge I'm just sort of contextualizing why I would make the decision is you should extend your good players. You have a good player in house, you should extend your good players if you if you come to regret it. He is a very tradable asset. That's my only point in that parameter. The other thing is Daniel Jones, I think is a more likely tag candidate for the Colts.

00:30:03
Speaker 3: Here.

00:30:04
Speaker 4: The injury is everything it really is, and I think realistically we've seen these Achilles recoveries where you do really have to get a sense for how a guy can come back that first year and it really looks unsteady that first year back. As miraculous as the recovery surgeries and the recovery time has gotten, it still is such a significant recovery timeline that we've seen guys sort of creak back into their better selves a year after the surgery or it just takes time. So I think you want to keep them in house and see monitor how the recovery is going, but you don't want to necessarily commit to anything long term until you can see what that timeline actually looks like. And to your point, sometimes the tag can be an on ramp to an extension, and it's still a significant amount of guaranteed money for a quarterback who really made your offense tick and looked like the right fit for the head coach. The Colts have so many prove it situations happening in twenty twenty six infrastructurally that I just think tagging the quarterback is a smart idea.

00:31:08
Speaker 1: I just think forty seven is too much. It sounds easy for me on the outside, what are they going to do at quarterback? If you know he he you know, stares them down but I and doesn't take whatever they're offering. But to me, there has to be To me, if he signs a contract, it's going to be like a two year contract, and it's not going to be for top money, and it might be backloaded. It's really complicated, and that's why I think they have to consider all options, including not bringing Daniel Jones back if push game to chef, because putting forty seven million dollars on your cap for a guy who, best case scenario, is going to play half this year and probably won't be as good as he was before is really tricky. So since there's a lot of mutual interest. Can you just figure out some sort of compromise that that spreads it out. It's a couple of years, whatever the contract is, we'll see. But it's fascinating. I'm not totally convinced it's like one hundred percent he's back, even though it's it's very nicely, greg.

00:32:05
Speaker 4: I think that because Daniel Jones played last year's situation so smartly, where Minnesota was clearly interested probably will be again. Frankly, Minnesota was clearly interested in him, and there are people in that building that wanted to keep him, and he went to a place that was better for him in the long run. I just don't think that we can automatically assume he would say, okay, yeah, let's compromise and take two years of like something that's easy on your cap, Like this is a player who knows he can do the job, and so it would be a leap of faith for the Colts saying one year forty seven million. But maybe you make it up on the back end if you if it works out and you do some more amenable things after the twenty twenty sixth season.

00:32:48
Speaker 3: I just think that forty seven million is not going.

00:32:50
Speaker 4: To look like long a lot in retrospect, in a best case scenario if the quarterback ends up working out long term and you can get something good worked out with him.

00:33:00
Speaker 1: It's so complicated because if you're Daniel Jones, how I would think about it as like this, I mean, this year's probably not going to go like why would is his value might go down?

00:33:11
Speaker 2: It should go down.

00:33:12
Speaker 1: The odds on him playing eighty percent. Daniel Jones, what Yeah, take that, Take that guaranteed money. But it's it's very tricky if you can get more guaranteed money in a multi year and then not rush yourself and not feel like the pressure to like earn your market value back in a year. And I was talking about this with someone this morning too that yeah, like I think we forget that, like he's had a lot of injuries and like counting on him to be great this next year is tricky. And so they got to figure out is Riley Leonard enough. There's a lot to figure out.

00:33:47
Speaker 3: You're kind of arguing against your own Colts point.

00:33:49
Speaker 4: Then I know you said, if you're Daniel Jones, you think about it this way, but your argument for the Colts, like you don't want to put up that much guaranteed money. Okay, well, a long term extension is more guaranteed money than forty seven million. And then I know it's a year versus multiple years. But if you know that, you you need him to you need him in your building to understand how his recovery is going. The second he leaves your building, you no longer have access to that data.

00:34:11
Speaker 3: You don't have any of that information.

00:34:13
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, it's kind of a if you think he could be your long term solution, maybe you use it as a tool to get to something else, is what I would say.

00:34:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine, mine is even less maybe about the guaranteed money long term and more just literally just building the team this year in a win now type of year.

00:34:31
Speaker 2: That okay, that just goes on the cap.

00:34:33
Speaker 1: But you can always figure it out, including maybe with a Pittman trade Breese Hall and Kenneth Walker. I put leaning yes, not too complicated there. The running back number is just very low to me. Fourteen point five million. I mean, it's a lot to pay a running back one year. It just feels like that's one less problem for either of these teams to solve. The Jets should not be in the business of just letting good players walk away.

00:34:56
Speaker 2: So those seem simple to me. But I guess we'll see with Kenneth Walker, what.

00:34:59
Speaker 4: Do you think. I think Kenneth Walker is a no brainer to me. The Breecee Hall one, I think is a little more complicated, just because the Jets are in badly need of like a ViBe's improvement. It's very clear Aaron Glenn is trying to reset in a lot of ways in that building, and some of its job saving mode, I think, but some of it's also getting a little bit of a tonal reset. And Breece Hall gave strong indications on social media and interviews, et cetera that he wanted out with all those other guys at the trade deadline. Things can always change. But if I'm the Jets, yes, the tag is really enticing. I'm also thinking about does this guy actually want.

00:35:38
Speaker 3: To be here?

00:35:38
Speaker 4: So, to me, that's the first question that needs to get answered, especially if you're trying to go for, like I said, a little bit of a tonal reset this year.

00:35:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:35:46
Speaker 1: The only problem for the Jets with that is if that was their barometer, they wouldn't have a team or maybe even the coaching stuff.

00:35:52
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be there a dafe O way.

00:35:56
Speaker 1: What a contract year he had point three million dollars in terms of the franchise tag.

00:36:04
Speaker 2: He's in my top ten.

00:36:06
Speaker 1: I kind of went back and forth between him and boy mafe as my two favorite edge guys top ten players overall. In just think they value that position so much that it took me a second to get there. But I thought, I don't know, I just think one way or another. It's like almost with all these guys, a long term extension is more more likely than not than a tag. But I just don't think they'll let them walk away. They can figure out the money later.

00:36:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's on this list the probably the strongest extension candidate other than Alec Pierce. But yeah, defensively, I think he's I mean, to me, you saw productive they were once he got there. He just he brings a lot of that system to life upfront. Yeah, I think he's an extension candidate.

00:36:53
Speaker 2: It's weird because he was in the same system in Baltimore and was generally I wouldn't say.

00:36:59
Speaker 4: But he didn't have the same rushing partners Greg. That's what that's there's a lot to that that I think those unoverlooked and kind of maybe blamed on coaching too at times. It's like you need good rushing partners too. You have to have chemistry with those guys and a plan, a mathematical plan built around what everybody's strengths are.

00:37:17
Speaker 1: And Tuley plow t Is do a long term contract extension, so they have to think about their money. Khalil Mack is also a free agent, so now that I'm talking it out, I feel like he could be in the next category up in the air because there is a scenario where they give two lead the money, they just bring back Khalil Mack if you assuming he wants to play for one year, but we'll see, I lean yes in the end. Kyle Pitts, Man, I've talked too much about Kyle Pitts on this podcast here. The tight end number is ultimately sixteen point three million, and I do think, kind of like George Pickens, he's a good candidate for a tag because he's had an up and down career. In Pitts's case, he's had these injuries and for a one year contract, that's kind of perfect for the Falcons to keep an offensive West Weapon test drive them with a new staff and see if he fits with them.

00:38:12
Speaker 4: This is this would be his fourth test drive, third test drive, right, trying to go through the math.

00:38:18
Speaker 3: In my head, it's.

00:38:20
Speaker 1: Going to fit well with Zach Robinson. It was probably the best thing going for Zach Robinson. He max that pits up in the air. I had Daniel Jones there before we talked about him. Jalen Phillips would have that same twenty eight million dollar number at edge Man. I don't think that the Eagles are going to want to let him go. And then Katea and I threw in there at tight end for sixteen million dollars because the Bucks are not really in the business of letting their young guys just walk away, and they have a few different options out with which they could use the tag, including Jammel Dean I think and would be the most likely, not guaranteed, because the tricky part is if the tag is sixteen million, you're trying to get a contract done, probably averaging let's say twelve million, and so it's this bargaining chip that the players have. So again, a long term deal I think is more likely for both those players, but both Phillips and A and I think.

00:39:11
Speaker 2: Have a chance.

00:39:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you just mentioned it. Zach Robinson's the OC down there now is going to need a number one tight end in this offense. Baker Mayfield loves Kate Atten. I think we all were a little disappointed. Kate Aughton showed extraordinary promise two years ago and even you know, splashed a little at the at the start of this season two and then kind of disappeared a little bit, you know, like just kind of wasn't everything in that offense was disjointed. But I think if you're Zach Robinson, you're like, is this going to be my number one tight end? Because you need one the player, the hinge player a lot of times in that offense is that guy?

00:39:49
Speaker 3: So Ken Kate Otton be that guy.

00:39:51
Speaker 1: In Yeah, Unlike Kyle Pitts. I think he's a guy who that you're gonna feel good about in terms of asking him to block. Pits is almost just like a big, a big receiver and has value doing that. Jalen Phillips, if he does make it to free agency, in which I always root for that because I want my list to look as good as possible. Is my number three player overall, I have Pickins number one, I have Tyler Linderbaum number two, and I have Jalen Phillips number three. I don't think the Eagles let him go, but it's complicated. They they have so much going on this offseason. It's really insane and it's really fascinating. But I think they have a great young player at a position they really value in the building, so they tend to keep those guys. I'm leaning though, on the two Chiefs players, Brian Cook the safety, who might be the top safety available in Jalen Watson, who might be the top cornerback available, because in general they've just let their defensive backs go. But the safety number isn't that big. It's getting bigger though. It's twenty point eight million dollars. That would be a lot for a team that is trying to figure out how they're gonna get under the cap. And then I have a long list of guys I'll just say no to and feel free to talk about any of them, the Ravens, Isaiah Likely, Tyler Linderbaum, Ozion Johnson. As I did this exercise, kept climbing up my top one oh one list. I still don't think that they would tag him, but man, Jim Harbaugh loves him and he's probably their best interior offensive lineman and they're terrible on the interior, So I say no, but it's not crazy. Devin Lloyd in Travis etn I just don't think it makes sense for the numbers. Even though they're really good players. They're going to be in my top twenty players overall. Devin Lloyd's in the top ten. Devin Bush had a great season for the Browns, but that's to know. Kenny Gainwell, if you're the team MVP, I'm just gonna mention you at least. Rashid Walker and Quay Walker both play for the Packers. Rashid plays left tackle, Quay plays linebacker. I don't think they would tag those guys, but they're intriguing guys coming off their rookie contracts. Alonte Taylor for the Saints at cornerback, Cam Curl at safety for the Rams. I threw in Kobe Bryant. He would get xed out there by Kenneth Walker. In this scenario. The Seahawks safety probably wouldn't pay him twenty million dollars anyway. So those are just some of the names I did not give them my franchise tag too, But teams can do it soon. It's the off season is starting right now, Jordan, who stands out to you out of that list?

00:42:17
Speaker 3: Actually? What stands out well, I didn't mean to actually, but.

00:42:19
Speaker 4: What stands out to me about this list overall is I agree with all of these.

00:42:24
Speaker 3: I mean, and you look, you're looking at teams.

00:42:26
Speaker 4: That don't that will are usually pretty smart about not using the franchise tag if they can help it, or if there's another financial balance to be earned in another area. I'm looking at Devin Lloyd, who had a great year, could be an extension candidate for that reason, whereas a year ago he certainly was not.

00:42:46
Speaker 3: But if James Gladstone operates.

00:42:48
Speaker 4: At all like less need, which he has so far like, they are going to stay as far away from the franchise tag as they possibly can. And same goes for a couple of these guys where you just can't see it financially working out. You know, Mark Andrews, I think he's at what thirteen million per year Greg, So there's no way that they would also tag Isaiah likely and and double up that much money at their tight end position.

00:43:12
Speaker 3: As much as the.

00:43:13
Speaker 4: Position has grown over the last couple of years in how significant it's become in these offenses, it's just not financially something they need to do with all these players who are coming up, who are who can contribute early as like a number two or three tight end.

00:43:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be interested if tight end market finally corrects itself, because it does feel like for their value, they are dramatically underpaid right now. And Devin Lloyd could be an example for the linebackers. And yes, the linebackers get stuck when it comes to franchise tag with a really huge number. It's twenty eight point one million because they count TJ. Watt as a linebacker, so they basically all get thrown in together.

00:43:52
Speaker 2: So that's good.

00:43:52
Speaker 1: That means more players ultimately won't get tagged and we'll just get to the free agent market.

00:43:58
Speaker 3: I don't mind that the regular season.

00:44:00
Speaker 2: It is the regular season. Let's go all right. We did it. We didn't get it under forty minutes, but we did it.

00:44:08
Speaker 4: Jordan, every time you tell me we're gonna do it and this amount of time, I always just laugh at you because I'm like, it's us, We're never gonna do that.

00:44:17
Speaker 2: We will be back later this week. Forties and free agents on Tuesday, and.

00:44:20
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna go around all thirty two teams, Jordan and myself and Patrick claibhand AFC NFC coming.

00:44:27
Speaker 2: Up later this week. We will see you then regular season it's back.