Van Halen's "OU812" (1988): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>One, two, one, two, three four, Hello everybody, and welcome
<v Speaker 1>back to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcasts. Are
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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready.
<v Speaker 1>It feels so good to be here with mister Jeff Johnson.
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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious podcast where after three long years, we are
<v Speaker 1>finally tackling Van Halen again. Hi you going, Jeff.
<v Speaker 2>It is going great, guys. Thank you for having me.
<v Speaker 2>I always appreciate any opportunity I get to talk music.
<v Speaker 2>Most of the time it's always movies or TV, but
<v Speaker 2>I love talking music, so I appreciate especially one of
<v Speaker 2>my all time favorite bands. Jeff.
<v Speaker 3>Tell us a little bit about the Film By podcast.
<v Speaker 2>As far as what we do at a Film by podcast,
<v Speaker 2>me and Brad Kozo, my co host, We basically wax
<v Speaker 2>intellectual about our favorite directors, their underrated hits, and what
<v Speaker 2>we love about them. Kind of started us off, and
<v Speaker 2>then we kind of led into a couple smaller limited
<v Speaker 2>series that we had some fun with nineteen eighty six,
<v Speaker 2>we covered a lot of fun movies. Obviously you guys
<v Speaker 2>were a part of that. We're in the middle of
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy six, you know which D joined me for
<v Speaker 2>the very first episode when we covered Outlaw Josie Well,
<v Speaker 2>so I was a fan. We thank you D. We
<v Speaker 2>like to have we like to have a good conversation
<v Speaker 2>about movies and the directors that we that we we appreciate.
<v Speaker 1>So we are here today to talk about Van Halen's
<v Speaker 1>OU eight one two. It was their second album with
<v Speaker 1>singer mister Sammy Hagar, came out in nineteen eighty eight.
<v Speaker 1>This is a part of our Summer of eighty eight
<v Speaker 1>series and comparing it to Cinderella's album Long Cold Winter.
<v Speaker 1>Jason picked both of these and I'm happy about your
<v Speaker 1>picks man. Thank you boys, Thank you very much.
<v Speaker 3>These albums were both huge for me the summer of
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty eight. This is actually going to conclude our
<v Speaker 3>deep dive into the Summer of nineteen eighty eight. Released
<v Speaker 3>May twenty fourth, nineteen eighty eight, so right about the
<v Speaker 3>same time as Cinderella. I think that was the first
<v Speaker 3>week in July, so I think It's a perfect matchup.
<v Speaker 3>I'm excited to dive into this with you guys. Jeff,
<v Speaker 3>what did this album mean to you?
<v Speaker 1>Man?
<v Speaker 2>I was introduced to van Halen. I want to said.
<v Speaker 2>The first time I ever heard van Halen was third grade.
<v Speaker 2>A group of kids at a talent show at my
<v Speaker 2>elementary school were doing jump and they were sixth graders.
<v Speaker 2>They were way older than me, so you know, I
<v Speaker 2>just was like, these guys are awesome. I didn't understand
<v Speaker 2>that this wasn't really van Halen, but fell in love
<v Speaker 2>with the band, love their music. I was one of
<v Speaker 2>the people, you know, when Dave left and Sammy shows
<v Speaker 2>up for fifty one to fifty, I was like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>this is different and I still love it. So this,
<v Speaker 2>being their second one was Sammy. I feel like this
<v Speaker 2>one kind of solidified that Sammy was here to say
<v Speaker 2>he could handle the job, and we had van Halen again.
<v Speaker 3>What about you, Dee? What do you think?
<v Speaker 1>This one is another album that I didn't own. Both
<v Speaker 1>of these albums were albums I didn't own. An eighty
<v Speaker 1>eight I think I've kind of mentioned before. Eighty eight
<v Speaker 1>was the time that I was starting to learn how
<v Speaker 1>to play the guitar and started to listen to all
<v Speaker 1>the music from the seventies, and so I wasn't buying
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of albums in eighty eight. I think
<v Speaker 1>the last new album that I bought in eighty eight
<v Speaker 1>was Boisome. So I got introduced to some songs that
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't heard before when I listened to this album,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm excited to talk about awesome.
<v Speaker 3>So this is the summer I turned fifteen. I'm not
<v Speaker 3>quite driving yet, but music is very important to me.
<v Speaker 3>It's the time of my life where I carried cassettes
<v Speaker 3>around just in case somebody had a boombox, right, And
<v Speaker 3>so I know I bought this album within a week
<v Speaker 3>of its release date. I don't think I bought it
<v Speaker 3>day of, but within a week. I mean when I
<v Speaker 3>heard When It's Love, I'm like, Mom, can you take
<v Speaker 3>me to the record store.
<v Speaker 1>I talked to Arlen, friend of the show. He called
<v Speaker 1>me right before we started recording and I told him
<v Speaker 1>what we were doing, and I said, who were comparing
<v Speaker 1>it to? And he said he can remember Long Cold
<v Speaker 1>Winter came out. He was with his friend who had
<v Speaker 1>just set up his new amp in his car. They
<v Speaker 1>put Long Cold Winter In and the Amp Caught on Fire. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>he said had these albums wrapped around him in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>eighty eight. They were both big movers and shakers for
<v Speaker 1>him back then. But just to give you a tip
<v Speaker 1>of the hat for him, he picks van Halen over
<v Speaker 1>Cinderella for this matchup.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, interesting, Arlen's got good taste.
<v Speaker 1>He always sides with you as well as as a
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, I think that's exactly his exact word.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm siding with Jason on this one. Like, well,
<v Speaker 1>what does that mean. I don't know what he's picking.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, he's picking van Halen.
<v Speaker 3>We will see very shortly.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So guys, if you are sort of new to
<v Speaker 1>the Shirley Podcast, this group is one that we've covered before.
<v Speaker 1>I think this was like our fourth episode. We had
<v Speaker 1>a three part episode on this deal. We talked all
<v Speaker 1>kinds of h So if you're interested in the deep
<v Speaker 1>dive of van Halen history, go back to our van
<v Speaker 1>Halen versus Van Hagar parts one, two, three, and four
<v Speaker 1>and check that out. We had a great time because
<v Speaker 1>we loved this band so much. But just to sum up,
<v Speaker 1>Alex van Halen was born in nineteen fifty three. Eddie
<v Speaker 1>van Halen was born in nineteen fifty five, and in
<v Speaker 1>November of that year, Marty McFly accidentally invented rock and
<v Speaker 1>roll music and the rest history real. Briefly, they formed
<v Speaker 1>a band. Eddie had initially wanted to play the drums,
<v Speaker 1>but then Alex took over that job. Eddie bought a guitar.
<v Speaker 1>Because they didn't have a PA system. They said, hey,
<v Speaker 1>let's stop renting one for ten bucks a month, and
<v Speaker 1>let's let's see if that guy who owns his own
<v Speaker 1>PA system wants to sing for us. So they had
<v Speaker 1>that singer for a little while, actually had him longer
<v Speaker 1>than the PA system because it eventually broke down again.
<v Speaker 1>And another band called Snake had a bass player who said, hey,
<v Speaker 1>you guys can use our PA system. That guy's was
<v Speaker 1>Michael Anthony and that's how he joined the band, and
<v Speaker 1>then they met Gene Simmons. Things didn't work out, but
<v Speaker 1>eventually they did produce their first album under their name,
<v Speaker 1>which their singer had suggested they use their own name
<v Speaker 1>for the band, and that was Van Halen, and they
<v Speaker 1>actually had a guy that they wanted to come sing
<v Speaker 1>for the band. The producers, the managers of the band
<v Speaker 1>had this guy that they wanted to come sing for
<v Speaker 1>the band because the singer that they had was a
<v Speaker 1>little iffy, and he turned him down. It was a
<v Speaker 1>lead singer from a band called Montrose, a guy named
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Hagar, and he's like, nah, I don't think I'm
<v Speaker 1>interested in doing that. Well, Sammy Hagar ends up getting
<v Speaker 1>together with these guys a few years later when that
<v Speaker 1>sketchy singer that they have finally fades out, and what
<v Speaker 1>we get first album from the new singer is an
<v Speaker 1>album called fifty one fifty, which has an entirely new sound.
<v Speaker 1>And then this, the album that we're here to talk
<v Speaker 1>about today, is called Oh You eight one two.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So you're exactly right. When the previous singer whose
<v Speaker 3>name shall not be mentioned in this episode, right because
<v Speaker 3>we don't want to be a comparison episode. But when
<v Speaker 3>he left there was a vacancy obviously. And Eddie's a
<v Speaker 3>car guy, Sammy's a car guy. Their cars in the shop.
<v Speaker 3>They have the same mechanic. His name is Claudio Zampulli,
<v Speaker 3>and he's there and Eddie says, whose car is that?
<v Speaker 3>That Ferrari right there? He says Sammy Hagar. He's just
<v Speaker 3>completed his Boa tour where he had the big hit
<v Speaker 3>song I Can't Drive fifty five, And he said, why
<v Speaker 3>don't you call him up? He's available. You need a singer,
<v Speaker 3>He's a solo guy. Why don't you call him. Sammy
<v Speaker 3>had just finished his tour. Eddie calls him up and says, hey,
<v Speaker 3>let's jam. Maybe you can join vn Haleen. Same, He's like, dude,
<v Speaker 3>I'm burned to a crisp. I can't do it right now.
<v Speaker 3>Let me hear rest for a few days and I'll
<v Speaker 3>call you back. And so ultimately they got together. When
<v Speaker 3>they met up, Sammy said the studio looked like a
<v Speaker 3>bar that had never been cleaned before in like thirty years.
<v Speaker 3>Said there were cigarettes everywhere, it smelled terrible. There's trash
<v Speaker 3>and pizza boxes. And he said they were both just
<v Speaker 3>drunk as skunks. And then when they started to play,
<v Speaker 3>magic happened. And so he said, if these guys can
<v Speaker 3>play this well when they're this hammered, I mean, these
<v Speaker 3>guys are just truly gifted musicians. Ultimately, Sammy joins Van Halen.
<v Speaker 3>Of course, he goes on to make fifty one to fifty,
<v Speaker 3>which I absolutely love. But the price for Sammy to
<v Speaker 3>leave Geffen Records at the time, he was Geffen's biggest
<v Speaker 3>artist at that moment, and so the price for him
<v Speaker 3>leaving Geffen and going to Warner Brothers with Van Halen
<v Speaker 3>was he had to come up with a solo album,
<v Speaker 3>which a lot of people forget. Sammy Hagar dropped the
<v Speaker 3>solo album between fifty one to fifteen, oh UA one
<v Speaker 3>two called I Never Said Goodbye, and it actually had
<v Speaker 3>a hit song called Give to Live and another one
<v Speaker 3>called Eagles Fly. Right after Sammy finished his tour pushing
<v Speaker 3>his solo album, the Brothers, Van Halen had been working
<v Speaker 3>on tunes. He flies back home and immediately they pick
<v Speaker 3>him up the airport. They say, hey, good to see you.
<v Speaker 3>Check this out. I want to play a song for you,
<v Speaker 3>and he said magic came through the speakers that day,
<v Speaker 3>and we'll talk about that song in two songs when
<v Speaker 3>o UA one two comes out. It's May twenty fourth,
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty eight. Now the interesting thing to me is
<v Speaker 3>the timeline here. Okay, they are recording through April of
<v Speaker 3>eighty eight. It drops May twenty fourth of eighty eight.
<v Speaker 3>They've got no time to shoot a video. Their first
<v Speaker 3>thing has no video. It drops May twenty fourth. Then
<v Speaker 3>they go onto the Monsters of Rock Tour May twenty seventh,
<v Speaker 3>so literally finish recording, mix it, put it out, no video,
<v Speaker 3>instant touring starting May of nineteen eighty eight. On that
<v Speaker 3>Monsters of Rock tour, you had Kingdom, Come the Scorpions,
<v Speaker 3>Docin Metallica, van Halen a very.
<v Speaker 2>At the time unknown Metallica.
<v Speaker 3>That's an interesting lineup to me. I don't think those
<v Speaker 3>really go together super well.
<v Speaker 2>The Monsters of Rock Tour, I think it originates over
<v Speaker 2>in Europe and it's known for a heavier sound. I
<v Speaker 2>think I even remember reading something where Van Halem took
<v Speaker 2>a little issue with the controversy around the name because
<v Speaker 2>in America people are like, this isn't this isn't heavy.
<v Speaker 2>Metallica was standing, you've got some great rock bands, but
<v Speaker 2>you don't have a heavy metal lineup. Yeah, we're the
<v Speaker 2>Monsters of Rock. But it's kind of weird. You look
<v Speaker 2>at those vintage posters, those playbills. Docin is actually above
<v Speaker 2>Metallica's name. You know, crazy right, which is crazy, but
<v Speaker 2>you know you have to remember this is this is
<v Speaker 2>maybe what a year. Six months to a year after
<v Speaker 2>Nightmarent ONLM Street three, the Dream Warriors comes out. So
<v Speaker 2>Docin has resurged with their Dream Warriors song and everyone
<v Speaker 2>loves Docin.
<v Speaker 3>I called friend of the show Blaine Peterson before we
<v Speaker 3>started today because I know he went to the Monsters
<v Speaker 3>Rock tour in Dallas. He did not answer the phone call.
<v Speaker 3>So Blaine, I'm mad at you, But he has told
<v Speaker 3>me about that before. I think he and just a
<v Speaker 3>few buddies just scrounged together some money drove down to
<v Speaker 3>Dallas and he got separated at the concert and had
<v Speaker 3>a really hard time getting back to the hotel. Because
<v Speaker 3>this is before cell phones. You got separated from your
<v Speaker 3>buddies at a concert and you didn't know you were going.
<v Speaker 3>It was a tough deal. But anyway, So.
<v Speaker 2>Oh you ate one two.
<v Speaker 3>The original working title.
<v Speaker 1>Is bone Bone, Bone Bone Terrible. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Alex van Halen thought so as well.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the guy that used to sing with Vanna
<v Speaker 1>Haleen had come out with an album just a bit
<v Speaker 1>before called Eat Him and Smile. He was not happy
<v Speaker 1>about the breakup and the way that they talked about
<v Speaker 1>him after he left, and so in an interview, he
<v Speaker 1>said something to the effect of, oh, you want to
<v Speaker 1>play that way, well we can do that too, just
<v Speaker 1>eat him and smile. So that became his album, and
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people think that the album title that
<v Speaker 1>they ultimately came up with was a response to that title,
<v Speaker 1>but I think they have denied that.
<v Speaker 2>I've actually got something interesting on that story. So Sammy
<v Speaker 2>claims that he got the idea when he saw it
<v Speaker 2>on a delivery truck on the freeway. It was a
<v Speaker 2>you know, on the panel truck. He got a laugh
<v Speaker 2>out of it and thought, yeah, that's that's great. But
<v Speaker 2>I decided to prepare because you guys are famous for
<v Speaker 2>going down the rabbit hole, the deep dive. So I've
<v Speaker 2>got something I'm gonna try, and I'm gonna try and
<v Speaker 2>blow your mind with a little bit more on the
<v Speaker 2>U eight one two title bring it? How about this?
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen EIGHTYU eight one two was that actually the
<v Speaker 2>license plate on the stolen red Ferrari in a film
<v Speaker 2>called Cheach and Chong's Next Movie. Do you guys ever
<v Speaker 2>see that one? Remember that one?
<v Speaker 4>You know?
<v Speaker 3>It's steal the car at the.
<v Speaker 2>I definitely was not, but uh, in my years, I
<v Speaker 2>was now it goes a little bit further here, Cheaching
<v Speaker 2>Chong's next movie. That's the feature film debut of a
<v Speaker 2>character that Paul Rubins creates. Talking about Pee Wee Herman
<v Speaker 2>are everyone assumes that Pee Wee's big adventure is like, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>this is the first time we see pee on the
<v Speaker 2>big screen. It's not. And if you watch Cheach and
<v Speaker 2>Chong's next movie, you know a lot of a lot
<v Speaker 2>of the action takes place at the comedy store in
<v Speaker 2>l A and Pee Wee Herman is one of the comedians.
<v Speaker 2>He also plays the desk clerk at the hotel where
<v Speaker 2>Chiach and Chong are staying. So yeah, it was not yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he had some uh yeah, not his first time doing
<v Speaker 2>the desk clerk. But I got a kick out of that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think.
<v Speaker 3>I think is awesome. You blew my mind with that
<v Speaker 3>one man.
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>And I'll go one more. And I can't really confirm this. Allegedly,
<v Speaker 2>if you go back to the first season of Taxi,
<v Speaker 2>they're actually the first episode of Taxi was all about
<v Speaker 2>the payphone, where it was given free phone calls away.
<v Speaker 2>If you take a look at that pay phone, the
<v Speaker 2>concrete cinder wall Payphon's on you'll see amongst the graffiti,
<v Speaker 2>OU eight one two is written on the concrete. I
<v Speaker 2>watched that episode and I was trying to pinpoint it,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, it's not not exactly four K, so
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really I couldn't really see it. But and
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have time to watch the entire run of
<v Speaker 2>all taxi shows to see where it was lested. But
<v Speaker 2>apparently you can see.
<v Speaker 3>It there too, Thanks job man. Nice mind blown. I tried.
<v Speaker 2>I tried so.
<v Speaker 3>By the way, when OU eight one two was released,
<v Speaker 3>this is the second out of four straight number one
<v Speaker 3>albums by Van Halen. Fifty one to fifty was their
<v Speaker 3>first album hit number one. OA one two hits number
<v Speaker 3>one in June of eighty eight, stays there for four weeks,
<v Speaker 3>ultimately sells four million copies in the US.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, guys, before we jump into the album, let's talk
<v Speaker 1>about the cover real quick.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the black cover, the white faces.
<v Speaker 1>Very reminiscent of the Beatles first album called With the Beatles.
<v Speaker 1>We kind of we had a text thread that we
<v Speaker 1>were sending all kinds of album covers at the same
<v Speaker 1>style of black and white, you know, deeply shadowed sides
<v Speaker 1>of the face.
<v Speaker 3>That was a pretty funny text threat because I just
<v Speaker 3>sent a picture of it, and then I sent the
<v Speaker 3>Kiss Dynasty album, and then I sent the Beatles with
<v Speaker 3>the Beatles album, and then you replied back with get
<v Speaker 3>the Knack, and then Jeff replied back with the Cramps.
<v Speaker 3>It was there was no words exchange, just pictures of albums.
<v Speaker 2>I remember walking down the down the road and I
<v Speaker 2>see that I started seeing the text chain go off,
<v Speaker 2>no frame of reference, no no words. After like the
<v Speaker 2>third ones like I know what we're doing here, I
<v Speaker 2>was like, I can play this. Let me pull up
<v Speaker 2>the We pull up the Googoup guys, the Cramps. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>This album was dedicated to Alex and Eddie's dad, Jan
<v Speaker 1>van Halen, who had passed away just in December of
<v Speaker 1>eighty six, little less than a year before they started
<v Speaker 1>the recording process on this album. He was a musician.
<v Speaker 1>He was the one that had initially introduced them to music.
<v Speaker 1>He played with the band on the cruise liner that
<v Speaker 1>they came to America on and they got to get
<v Speaker 1>up on stage and play piano and were the hit
<v Speaker 1>of the show.
<v Speaker 3>They literally played for their supper on the way over
<v Speaker 3>from the Netherlands to the US. Yep, can I try
<v Speaker 3>to blow your mind one more time? So she brought
<v Speaker 3>up their father. Yeah, so van Halen is not for anything.
<v Speaker 3>They're all about family, right.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people don't really know this, but their
<v Speaker 2>father actually played on the Diver Down album. Wow. So
<v Speaker 2>yeah he played. He played clarinet for one of the songs,
<v Speaker 2>technically making him the third of four van Halen men
<v Speaker 2>to be in the lineup. Everyone just assumes you got
<v Speaker 2>the brothers and you got Wolfgang.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Actually dad was there on Diver Down, so wow, that's cool. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>are you guys ready to dive in? Track by track?
<v Speaker 3>I know you want to.
<v Speaker 2>I am all fired up, all right, I'm not really
<v Speaker 2>wired right now, man.
<v Speaker 3>Okay. First song out of the Gate is a song
<v Speaker 3>called Mine All Mine.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So, if you've just bought this album for the
<v Speaker 1>first time and you push play and you're listening, you're
<v Speaker 1>suddenly confused because the tracks on the album listed in
<v Speaker 1>alphabetical order instead of the order of the songs on
<v Speaker 1>the album, and so you're like, wait a minute, this
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like the right song. You're right, it's not.
<v Speaker 1>This one is called mine, all mine, And it was
<v Speaker 1>actually the last one that Sam he recorded the vocals did.
<v Speaker 2>Why is that?
<v Speaker 1>Because he was going nuts trying to write this song.
<v Speaker 1>It's like he said, this was one of the hardest
<v Speaker 1>songs he ever had to write the lyrics to. Kind
<v Speaker 1>of got mad through things through the window, just went
<v Speaker 1>crazy trying to get the right lyrics to this song.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said, he wrote it and rewrote it like
<v Speaker 3>ten different times. Said his first time in his life
<v Speaker 3>that he really struggled with the lyrics, beat himself up
<v Speaker 3>about it, said he took him ten torturous days, during
<v Speaker 3>which time he had a bad hangover and private vocal
<v Speaker 3>training session with Don Landy. When he finally brought the
<v Speaker 3>song to the Van Halen Brothers, he said he was
<v Speaker 3>very insecure about it and when he hit play, they
<v Speaker 3>went ef Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Man, So you you mentioned Landy on this one. He
<v Speaker 1>was their engineer, He did the recording. There's not a
<v Speaker 1>producer listed on this album.
<v Speaker 3>I think the fact that they don't have a producer
<v Speaker 3>on this album actually hurts it a little bit. You know.
<v Speaker 3>We talked about how Andy Johns recorded the f uc
<v Speaker 3>K album with him and gave them that Cinderella type
<v Speaker 3>of direction on that album. So when you've got guys
<v Speaker 3>just kind of calling their own shots, I think you
<v Speaker 3>end up with some highs and lows in quality on
<v Speaker 3>this particular album.
<v Speaker 2>You run the risk of getting a little sloppy. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 2>Mine All Mine.
<v Speaker 3>This song Mine All Mine is Sammy Hagar's favorite Van
<v Speaker 3>Halen song. Wow, just I that surprises me. Maybe not
<v Speaker 3>favorite is the best word. I did see that. I
<v Speaker 3>think maybe proudest moment lyrically for him.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that I could that I could see. I'll tell
<v Speaker 2>you one thing I would love to hear. If there
<v Speaker 2>is is a world's biggest Van Hanlen fan, it happens
<v Speaker 2>to be my best friend and co host at a
<v Speaker 2>film by podcast Brad Kozo. I told Brad I was
<v Speaker 2>gonna be on here. He was obviously just you know, envy, jealousy.
<v Speaker 2>You know, He's like, what your talk? I was like, hey, man,
<v Speaker 2>I got I got the call. So we were talking
<v Speaker 2>about the tracks and he goes, Man, he goes, I
<v Speaker 2>would love to hear the original version of mine online.
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what are you talking about? And
<v Speaker 2>he's like, there is a much heavier version that exists
<v Speaker 2>that's never been released. I was like, well, where is
<v Speaker 2>it at? And he goes, well, let's it's locked away
<v Speaker 2>in Alex van Hanleen's vault. I guess, you know, maybe
<v Speaker 2>someday they'll release it on a remaster or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, we were talking about the monsters of
<v Speaker 2>rock Tour and how they aren't like a heavy metal group,
<v Speaker 2>but and especially with Hagar, they get you know, with
<v Speaker 2>Hagar they got a little softer like the music, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the ballads, the ballads starts showing up. So anytime you
<v Speaker 2>get an opportunity to think, like there's a heavier version
<v Speaker 2>of a of a Hagar van Halen song, I would
<v Speaker 2>love to hear it.
<v Speaker 1>The drums, I mean the start of the song, the
<v Speaker 1>drums coming in that lends itself to a heavier, thrashier
<v Speaker 1>metal if you will. I thought it was a great
<v Speaker 1>intro to the album. The song itself is not one
<v Speaker 1>that wowed me, but I thought just the intro to
<v Speaker 1>the song was a great way to jump in. Give
<v Speaker 1>it good hard beat right out of the gate. I
<v Speaker 1>thought that was a nice touch. Would you guys think
<v Speaker 1>of the song?
<v Speaker 2>I think it's middle of the road.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's good particularly on this album. There are
<v Speaker 3>great songs, there are not great songs, and very few
<v Speaker 3>kind of in the middle. But I think this one's
<v Speaker 3>good but not great.
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm gonna agree with the great music in
<v Speaker 2>this one. I don't know that it really tells a story,
<v Speaker 2>though the lyrics I can. I can understand why he
<v Speaker 2>rewrote it seven or ten times. The lyrics are kind
<v Speaker 2>of a little all over the place. I don't really
<v Speaker 2>follow it, you know what I mean. So, yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>would say middle of the road. It's It's not a
<v Speaker 2>bad way to open the album. I would have picked
<v Speaker 2>a different song to open the album, which we'll get
<v Speaker 2>to in a couple tracks, but overall, I still like it.
<v Speaker 1>My alle.
<v Speaker 3>Okay guys onto song number two. This song is called
<v Speaker 3>when It's Left.
<v Speaker 1>So this one jumps out at me. And the thing
<v Speaker 1>that interestingly jumps out at me first is this really
<v Speaker 1>cool echo effect that happens throughout the song. It's like
<v Speaker 1>this slap back click that I don't think I've ever
<v Speaker 1>heard on any other song. And I'm fascinated by how
<v Speaker 1>this beautiful song is enhanced by this little raspy click,
<v Speaker 1>like the click of a piano key or the click
<v Speaker 1>of a drum rim. I'm not sure what it is.
<v Speaker 1>I tried to figure it out. I tried to find it.
<v Speaker 1>I can't. I can't figure out what it is, but
<v Speaker 1>I love it. And then you're talking about that, Yes,
<v Speaker 1>that is what I am talking just making sure we're
<v Speaker 1>at the same page.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I knew what he was talking about. I could
<v Speaker 2>hear it in my head.
<v Speaker 1>And then when they come in with the harmonies on
<v Speaker 1>this song, there's a reason that this is one of
<v Speaker 1>the top power ballads of all time. It's too beautiful
<v Speaker 1>to turn it down.
<v Speaker 3>When you talk about radio friendly hits for Van Haler,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is ought to be the first one
<v Speaker 3>that comes out of your mouth. It's a pinnacle right
<v Speaker 3>for radio friendly hits for them. Absolutely yeah. This is
<v Speaker 3>like a warm Snickers bar. I mean it just it
<v Speaker 3>just is so easy on the soul. When I hear
<v Speaker 3>this one, it's just beautiful, goes really well together. Love
<v Speaker 3>Sammy's vocals just before melts right before it is too melty.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, the chocolate's still there, but the caramel center
<v Speaker 1>is nicest pretty yeah. Yeah. So this song, this song
<v Speaker 1>started as a piano and drums combination. Eddie gave it
<v Speaker 1>this guitar riff that he says is a nod to
<v Speaker 1>Eric Clapman, and this is not his speed solo style.
<v Speaker 1>This is more like slowhand, very beautiful, slow melodic Eddie
<v Speaker 1>van hand.
<v Speaker 2>I absolutely adore this song. It is one of the
<v Speaker 2>greatest power ballads ever written. Minunderstanding is it's the first
<v Speaker 2>song written for the album. When they heard that piano
<v Speaker 2>and drum when he played it, they're like, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Sammy immediately was like, you know, he he's known for
<v Speaker 2>when he doesn't have lyrics, just just humming. And he said,
<v Speaker 2>I just heard it in my head. Just how do
<v Speaker 2>I know when it's love? And I just started singing it.
<v Speaker 2>And before we got to this udio, it was done.
<v Speaker 2>It was a done deal. We knew it. We had
<v Speaker 2>it ready to go.
<v Speaker 3>This is the song that they played in the car
<v Speaker 3>when they picked him up from the airport. He said, hey,
<v Speaker 3>listen to this. This is what we've been working on.
<v Speaker 3>What do you think they pop it in? You have
<v Speaker 3>that little tune that they played for him and the
<v Speaker 3>lyrics just fell out.
<v Speaker 2>They pick him up at the airport, they say, hey man,
<v Speaker 2>we got to play something for you. We kind of
<v Speaker 2>stayed up all night doing this, and he jokingly takes offense.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you guys started without me, I mean in
<v Speaker 2>the studio yet, But he fell in love with what
<v Speaker 2>he heard, just like the rest of us. It's such
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful song.
<v Speaker 3>Second single released June of nineteen eighty eight. This is
<v Speaker 3>the first video with Sammy and the band No videos
<v Speaker 3>from fifty one to fifty the first single from this
<v Speaker 3>album gets no video treatment, which I found out the
<v Speaker 3>reason why you know why, No told me Warner Brothers
<v Speaker 3>didn't like to pay for music videos mistake, but they
<v Speaker 3>got on the train with this album because they realized
<v Speaker 3>what a juggernaut. MTV was a little late to the party.
<v Speaker 3>This is nineteen eighty eight, you know, it was already
<v Speaker 3>a juggernaut in eighty three. They didn't like to pay
<v Speaker 3>for music videos, but they decided, hey, we want to
<v Speaker 3>move records this time, and so they upped the enny
<v Speaker 3>and paid for this music video. Now then it's performance based.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's really cool. Sammy is wearing a red suit,
<v Speaker 3>and as we know, he is known as the red Rocker,
<v Speaker 3>the red Rocker, yeah, red rocker, so also in the
<v Speaker 3>music video, it's pretty cool. You do have Eddie playing
<v Speaker 3>that slow solo and he does one of his standard
<v Speaker 3>moves where he hits a note and then he kind
<v Speaker 3>of wiggles his hair and then goes back to it
<v Speaker 3>and Sammy does this little squeal, but they actually get
<v Speaker 3>Eddie lip syncing that squeal. It's kind of a neat
<v Speaker 3>little trick in the music video.
<v Speaker 2>Now, as I say, you mentioned, this is you know,
<v Speaker 2>one of the one of the first singles. This is
<v Speaker 2>number five out of all the four singles they do,
<v Speaker 2>this is the one that ranks the highest number five
<v Speaker 2>on the Billboard Hot one hundred.
<v Speaker 3>Do you want to hear the four better songs I
<v Speaker 3>do off Ball Live?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what was listen. I'm a fan of
<v Speaker 2>the show. I know I know JA and goes with
<v Speaker 2>the openings. Yeah, I want to know what's better? What
<v Speaker 2>four options are better than when it's love? Because I'm
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to fight on them.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so this reaches number five, as you said, September
<v Speaker 3>tenth of nineteen eighty eight, here we go, number four
<v Speaker 3>Monkey by George Michael.
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, Kelly, yeah, really, okay, all right, I like
<v Speaker 3>that song. I'm a big fan of the Faith album.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think this is that's a better song than
<v Speaker 3>when it's Love Not a Chance?
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Number three Perfect World by Huey Lewis and The News.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember that one.
<v Speaker 1>I love Huey Lewis and the News, but that song
<v Speaker 1>is not better than the song.
<v Speaker 3>Number two Simply Irresistible by Robert Palmer.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now that's a big one. It's a huge song.
<v Speaker 3>You've got the girls in the swimsuit and I'm playing
<v Speaker 3>the instruments behind him and they kind of upped it
<v Speaker 3>from the Addicted to Love video. And then finally number
<v Speaker 3>one Sweet Child of Mine.
<v Speaker 2>Ah, Okay, huge.
<v Speaker 3>Song summer of nineteen eighty eight and continues to be
<v Speaker 3>a classic.
<v Speaker 2>Can I can see that?
<v Speaker 3>Okay, one more thing on the video. Sammy does not
<v Speaker 3>see himself as an actor. He doesn't like acting and
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't like lip sync, like that is not his thing.
<v Speaker 3>So he doesn't like the lip sync. So when he
<v Speaker 3>does these music videos, he just belts out the lyrics right,
<v Speaker 3>he belts out the words and he just sings. Well.
<v Speaker 3>When he was recording this video, he sang so strong
<v Speaker 3>that he blew out his voice and they had to
<v Speaker 3>actually cancel a concert that they had set up.
<v Speaker 2>Suffering for your art, but maybe a little too much.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So this was the second single released from the album.
<v Speaker 1>The B side for this one was Cabo Wabo, which
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about here in just a second. Yep. But
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's a worthy song to have on your
<v Speaker 1>B side.
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that was on the e that's surprising
<v Speaker 2>that that's a B side.
<v Speaker 1>It didn't get released as a single, So I mean
<v Speaker 1>that's the next best thing, right, Yeah, that's so smart.
<v Speaker 3>Okay. Song number three, This song is called a f
<v Speaker 3>U Naturally wired.
<v Speaker 1>All right, very up tempo drum beat and then guitar
<v Speaker 1>comes in. Now I don't I don't think I mentioned this,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm pretty sure this is the transition album where
<v Speaker 1>Eddie starts to go to the earning ball guitars. This song,
<v Speaker 1>it sounds to me like he picked up the old
<v Speaker 1>Frankenstratt again and started going at it with a more
<v Speaker 1>raw feel on the guitar sound on this one throw
<v Speaker 1>back to Van Halen's earlier days. What did you guys think?
<v Speaker 2>I think you're absolutely right. I have to believe that
<v Speaker 2>this is this is the Franken Drug because like it.
<v Speaker 2>It just it just sounds like classic van Halen when
<v Speaker 2>he when that guitar comes in. I love this song.
<v Speaker 2>Every band has what they call the road song, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like Metallica has Wherever I'm a Room, Beastie Boys have
<v Speaker 2>No Sleep till Brooklyn. This is the road song for
<v Speaker 2>van Halen. Sammy loved it so much that this is
<v Speaker 2>the opener for the Ou eight one Tour eight one
<v Speaker 2>two tour, So I think it's fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>This is a great concert kickoff song.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I might call it the eight one tour as
<v Speaker 1>an absolute miss. They should have called it the eight
<v Speaker 1>one tour.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, by the way, when I say that this
<v Speaker 3>is a great concert opener, which clearly they agreed with me,
<v Speaker 3>they closed the Monsters of Rock shows with this song.
<v Speaker 3>They ended the night with af You and rock and
<v Speaker 3>Roll by led Zeppelin.
<v Speaker 2>That's a good yeah, absolutely yes.
<v Speaker 1>But that is a throwback to the first time that
<v Speaker 1>they performed together during farm Aid. First time that Sammy
<v Speaker 1>plays with them, they play that led Zeppelin song because
<v Speaker 1>they literally they haven't played together before, and so that's
<v Speaker 1>right Zeppelin song that they played.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. How about this little Nugget on this song.
<v Speaker 3>On the album, they have a guest appearance by Patty
<v Speaker 3>Smythe from a scandal and maybe you know her from
<v Speaker 3>the Warrior of Goodbye to You.
<v Speaker 1>Well. You mentioned in our earlier van Halen episodes when
<v Speaker 1>they were trying to decide who will be the replacement
<v Speaker 1>singer for He who shall not be named, Patty Smythe
<v Speaker 1>was top on the list.
<v Speaker 3>Eddie van Halen wanted Patty Smythe as their replacement singer.
<v Speaker 3>And she's got a great voice.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, great voice.
<v Speaker 3>But that takes them a totally different direction.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad we didn't go down that road, honestly.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>While I was preparing for this episode, I read Sammy's
<v Speaker 3>book called Red. During the time of this album, Sammy's wife,
<v Speaker 3>her name is Betsy, She had some really crazy mental
<v Speaker 3>issues and I just found this story kind of interesting.
<v Speaker 3>I want to drop it right here. During this time,
<v Speaker 3>they would go back and forth to Cabos and Lucas, Mexico.
<v Speaker 3>One time, when they were flying back from Mexico, her
<v Speaker 3>anxiety was off the chart and she started to freak out.
<v Speaker 3>At twenty six thousand feet. She started to pull her
<v Speaker 3>own hair out and at twenty six thousand feet she
<v Speaker 3>starts screaming and tries to open the door and jump out.
<v Speaker 3>Oh so this is kind of what is going on
<v Speaker 3>with him during this time. I mean, he's transitioned, he's
<v Speaker 3>in a fantastic rock band and there got the number
<v Speaker 3>one album in America, and his wife is going.
<v Speaker 2>As This song was actually inspired by a very bad
<v Speaker 2>show they had. There was a stage fire, the attendance
<v Speaker 2>was over capacity. So when you listen to the lyrics
<v Speaker 2>say kind of you know, there's a little bit of
<v Speaker 2>that interjected into it, which you know, a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people I've always wondered, is that real? Is it not real?
<v Speaker 2>Why would they do that? But when you have a
<v Speaker 2>bad show that inspires a hit song like this, that's
<v Speaker 2>why you have crazy stipulations like that in your contract.
<v Speaker 3>Tell us about that eminem stipulation.
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, for those who don't remember. So, you know,
<v Speaker 2>every celebrity, every band always has some crazy stuff that
<v Speaker 2>they want, whether it's like I have to have this
<v Speaker 2>very specific brand of paper towels, you know, or you know,
<v Speaker 2>this is our dietary needs, or here's the sound check
<v Speaker 2>that we want, here's the lighting that we want. Van
<v Speaker 2>Halen put it in their contract that a bowl of
<v Speaker 2>Eminem's must be in the green room, the dressing room,
<v Speaker 2>and there cannot be a single brown eminem And they
<v Speaker 2>said that was kind of like their thing. He who
<v Speaker 2>must not be named, as he's saying, he was on
<v Speaker 2>a show one time and said, look, we did that
<v Speaker 2>as a detail, as a fine detail, because if we
<v Speaker 2>saw that that wasn't something little like that wasn't taken
<v Speaker 2>care of, something big probably wasn't taken care of, and
<v Speaker 2>then we would stop everything, and then triple check all
<v Speaker 2>the lists and go through and stop everything because it
<v Speaker 2>was in their contract. If that happened, they could walk
<v Speaker 2>away and the promoter would have lost hundreds of thousands
<v Speaker 2>of dollars, you know, maybe millions. So you think you
<v Speaker 2>hear stories like that, you think, man, that's just rockstars
<v Speaker 2>being crazy and foolish. But for Van Halen, it's it's
<v Speaker 2>a it's a very small minor detail that they snuck
<v Speaker 2>in there just to see is this guy reading everything
<v Speaker 2>that we're asking for before he signs on the dotted line.
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's I think it's brilliant.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, crazy like a fox, right mm hmm, Okay, we
<v Speaker 3>done with this one, all right. Next song on the
<v Speaker 3>album is a song called Cabo Wabbo.
<v Speaker 1>A Better Wrong. Okay, So this big, warm guitar that
<v Speaker 1>you're hearing is not the Frankenstrat. This is that Ernie Ball.
<v Speaker 1>This is that different sound. This is that round, fuzzy,
<v Speaker 1>totally different style. But I just eat it up on
<v Speaker 1>this song. Love how he comes in on this one.
<v Speaker 1>They had finished with the music already by the time
<v Speaker 1>they hook up with Sammy because obviously the solo tour
<v Speaker 1>that he had gone on, so they had finished with
<v Speaker 1>the music and he went away to go work on
<v Speaker 1>the lyrics, and the place that he went was Abo,
<v Speaker 1>San Lucas, and so that's where he got the lyrics
<v Speaker 1>for this. But the melody actually comes from a song
<v Speaker 1>that he had when he was with Montrose called make
<v Speaker 1>It Last seventeen. My father told me, so, he's not
<v Speaker 1>even trying to hide this.
<v Speaker 3>He's not right, total thievery right.
<v Speaker 2>Jason, If you're stealing from yourself, it can't be theft, right,
<v Speaker 2>So good boy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got to give a little shout out to
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Hagar at this point. Okay, So Jason and I
<v Speaker 1>are both from Oklahoma, we were both living here in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine. In May third, nineteen ninety nine, we
<v Speaker 1>had some of the worst tornadoes in Oklahoma history passed
<v Speaker 1>just a couple of miles north of where we lived
<v Speaker 1>at the time, and Toby Keith did a benefit concert
<v Speaker 1>at the ou Stadium. I went to that concert with
<v Speaker 1>my wife. Toby Keith obviously played. Willie Nelson came out
<v Speaker 1>and played, a lady who became our very dear friend
<v Speaker 1>named Kelly Coffee, who was a big country singer at
<v Speaker 1>the time. She played, and then Sammy Freakin Hagar came out.
<v Speaker 1>Mister Red Rocker himself came out, and he was such
<v Speaker 1>an incredibly fun guy that even all these people, these
<v Speaker 1>country folks who showed up for country music absolutely ate
<v Speaker 1>it up. He was shooting off like these confetti cannons
<v Speaker 1>and having a great time. And one of the best
<v Speaker 1>parts of the show was him playing this song.
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome man that I love what he is selling
<v Speaker 3>on this song. This is like Jimmy Buffett meets Van Hand, right.
<v Speaker 3>This is about having a great time on vacation at
<v Speaker 3>the beach. White Sandro make a tan look nice, right, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>This is the party song. This is this is like
<v Speaker 2>everyone's having fun. Everyone's having a good time.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's seven minutes worth of fun.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>This is the longest song on the album and just
<v Speaker 3>kind of meanders around talking about the beach having a
<v Speaker 3>good time. Actually, the inspiration for this song Sammy was
<v Speaker 3>down in Comba San Lucas writing lyrics for the album.
<v Speaker 3>He's driving around he's going to breakfast one morning and
<v Speaker 3>it comes around the corner. He almost takes out a
<v Speaker 3>like a pedestrian he's walking across the street who's drunk
<v Speaker 3>as a skunk. And he said to himself, He's like,
<v Speaker 3>that guy is doing the Cabo wobble because he's drunk,
<v Speaker 3>And so he shortened that to Cabo Wabbo. And then
<v Speaker 3>of course that goes on to become the name of
<v Speaker 3>his nightclub that he establishes with the Van Halen Brothers
<v Speaker 3>in Cabo San Lucas. And also his tequila, his world
<v Speaker 3>changing tequila.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's his, I mean, his wonderful, delicious tequila. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>References the mescal and the worm and the song, which
<v Speaker 1>then inspires him to start his own tequila company.
<v Speaker 3>He drinks mescal right from the bottle and the guave
<v Speaker 3>worm is mine all mine.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I got my salt and my little lick a
<v Speaker 1>lime ready to go, hassam.
<v Speaker 3>Right before you got on with this, Jeff, I was
<v Speaker 3>watching on YouTube. MTV ran a contest and I love
<v Speaker 3>mentioning these MTV contests. It's just fun to remember those. Anyway,
<v Speaker 3>they had a contest. Ten winners would have won a
<v Speaker 3>trip to Cava San Lucas and they got to spend
<v Speaker 3>the week down there and get to open the club.
<v Speaker 3>That was April of nineteen ninety. That was the opening
<v Speaker 3>for the Cabo Wabo CANTEENA.
<v Speaker 2>What an awesome time that would have been.
<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't that have been great?
<v Speaker 2>I would have loved it. I've been to Cabo Wabo
<v Speaker 2>in Las Vegas.
<v Speaker 3>The oh you have cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been there a couple of times.
<v Speaker 1>I have.
<v Speaker 2>I have had one too many surveys, maybe a little
<v Speaker 2>too much tequila there with that place. If you ever
<v Speaker 2>in Las Vegas, that is the place to go to.
<v Speaker 3>It.
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of fun. He's known to show up
<v Speaker 2>every now and then and perform a set, so he
<v Speaker 2>didn't he I've not caught him there yet, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>anytime I'm in Vegas, I'm like head Nicabo Wabbo.
<v Speaker 3>I love this song. I think it is the second
<v Speaker 3>best song on the album.
<v Speaker 1>This is definitive, Sammy Hagar to me, right after I
<v Speaker 1>Can't Drive fifty five, this is the next song in
<v Speaker 1>the line that says Sammy Hager, I.
<v Speaker 2>Agree, curious to see what you're what you're saying is
<v Speaker 2>the first. But I'm with you on that, okay. So
<v Speaker 2>that's the end of side one.
<v Speaker 3>Hit stop on your tape player, kick it out, flip
<v Speaker 3>it over for side too, and the first song on
<v Speaker 3>side two is Source of Infection.
<v Speaker 1>I me even this song up. This is not the Frankenstrat.
<v Speaker 1>This has got to be the Ernie Ball guitar in
<v Speaker 1>my opinion. I'm just guessing here. But he's playing it
<v Speaker 1>just like he did back in the seventies, with that
<v Speaker 1>brown sound, that finger tapping. I'm loving it. And then
<v Speaker 1>Alex comes in with the drums from Hot for Teacher.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's all kinds of yet warm feelings in
<v Speaker 1>my tummy about this song. I loved it. And then
<v Speaker 1>the lyrics aren't even really lyrics at all. It's just
<v Speaker 1>kind of screams from Sammy, like as if to say, hey,
<v Speaker 1>I realize your old singer could do this, I can
<v Speaker 1>do it too.
<v Speaker 5>Let me show you what I got.
<v Speaker 2>I love how this one starts. It's definitely the hot
<v Speaker 2>for teacher drums. Eddie is absolutely shredding on this thing,
<v Speaker 2>and musically it is fantastic. It's weird when you think
<v Speaker 2>about the inspiration behind it, but you know still, I
<v Speaker 2>think it's awesome. Absolutely love this one.
<v Speaker 3>Tell us about the inspiration behind this one.
<v Speaker 2>This is a source of infections, all about Eddie and
<v Speaker 2>Valerie's time in Australia. He actually he got sick, he
<v Speaker 2>got really sick. He got the dinky fever. I'm not
<v Speaker 2>a doctor. I mean I play one on television, but
<v Speaker 2>my understanding is it's a viral disease contracted by mosquitoes
<v Speaker 2>in the tropics, causes sudden fever and acute joint pains.
<v Speaker 2>So to take something like that and turn it into
<v Speaker 2>a song like this is it's wild.
<v Speaker 1>He's been married to Valerie Burtinelli for seven years at
<v Speaker 1>this point. They go down for their anniversary and this
<v Speaker 1>is what happens. But hey, you get a pretty kick
<v Speaker 1>butt song out of it. I don't know what do
<v Speaker 1>you think of this song? Well, I'm I can see
<v Speaker 1>the skepticism on your.
<v Speaker 3>No, no, It's okay. I far be it from me
<v Speaker 3>to critique Eddie van Halen on anything musically, But this
<v Speaker 3>is one of those songs where I think a producer,
<v Speaker 3>a strong producer, would be like, all right, guys, this
<v Speaker 3>is a lot of fun. You guys are kind of
<v Speaker 3>screwing around. But this is just you guys screwing around
<v Speaker 3>in the studio. This seems a little bit sloppy for me.
<v Speaker 3>It's not a skipper, but they can do better. You
<v Speaker 3>know who agrees with you, Eddie and Sammy.
<v Speaker 2>Eddie and Sammy. This is Sammy's least favorite. They regret
<v Speaker 2>the whole James Brown spoofing that they were doing with
<v Speaker 2>the owls and the hey and you know, you look
<v Speaker 2>at the lyrics though, the ones where he's not like
<v Speaker 2>be bopping and scatting. It's a little politically incorrect and
<v Speaker 2>because of that, they're, you know, in retrospect, they're not
<v Speaker 2>happy with it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do like the beginning of the song. And
<v Speaker 3>you have the very audible take one, and it seems
<v Speaker 3>to me like this song was recorded in one take.
<v Speaker 2>I think this is then going you know what we
<v Speaker 2>could do whatever we want. We're Van Halen.
<v Speaker 1>I think you guys are off base. This was the
<v Speaker 1>hidden gym for me. This was something I had not
<v Speaker 1>heard before that I was like, ah, all right, this
<v Speaker 1>is fun, this is a throwback. I'm digging it. I
<v Speaker 1>really really enjoyed this song. So I'm sorry. You guys
<v Speaker 1>are just wrong.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Sammy, you're wrong.
<v Speaker 1>You and Sammy and Eddie all wrong.
<v Speaker 2>All right.
<v Speaker 3>Moving on to the next song on the album. This
<v Speaker 3>one is called Feels So Good, another song made for radio.
<v Speaker 1>This is the most Van Hagar of all of the
<v Speaker 1>Van Hagar songs, in my opinion. You've got the strong synthesizer.
<v Speaker 1>I don't dislike it. It is just it is that sound.
<v Speaker 1>It is the sound of the new Van Halo. It's
<v Speaker 1>like the new Coke.
<v Speaker 3>Oh out.
<v Speaker 2>Better than New Coke.
<v Speaker 4>It is.
<v Speaker 2>It's specifically designed to sound like Genesis. As someone that
<v Speaker 2>loves Phil Collins and Genesis, I love this song.
<v Speaker 6>It feels so good to hear feel good.
<v Speaker 1>Do you know that they actually had that as their
<v Speaker 1>name for a brief period of time. They had the
<v Speaker 1>name Genesis as the name of this band back in
<v Speaker 1>the mid seventies and they went, Oops, somebody already has that name.
<v Speaker 1>I got good music.
<v Speaker 4>Hey.
<v Speaker 3>I love that this is modeled after Genesis because I
<v Speaker 3>had to love Phil Collins and Genesis. I love radio
<v Speaker 3>friendly hits with a rock edge to them. This is
<v Speaker 3>right down my wheelhouse. I'm with Jeff. I love this
<v Speaker 3>song too.
<v Speaker 2>Roll down the windows, you're on the highway, crank it
<v Speaker 2>up right.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, right after Kaba wobbo. This just makes you feel good. Now.
<v Speaker 3>I know this song has been divisive among Van Halen bands. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>is it a cheesy, radio friendly love song? Yes? Is
<v Speaker 3>it super catchy? Yes? Does it have a killer guitar solo?
<v Speaker 3>Yes it does. It has a blistering guitar solo. I absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>I mean people sleep on it, but it is awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there,
<v Speaker 1>because not that I disliked the song at all, loved
<v Speaker 1>the song, but the guitar solo performed by ninety percent
<v Speaker 1>of the musicians in the world at that time. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>it would be screeching performed by Eddie van Halen. It's okay,
<v Speaker 1>It's nothing compared to many of his other solos.
<v Speaker 3>Jeff, he's off his rocker.
<v Speaker 4>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>He does not feel so good about this.
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel so right.
<v Speaker 3>And this was the fourth single off the album. Fourth
<v Speaker 3>and final single reached number thirty five in the Hot
<v Speaker 3>one hundred. I think they may be an ode to
<v Speaker 3>Message in a Bottle by the police.
<v Speaker 2>It's gotta be right. I think there's a connection there.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Rady Friendly hit love it? So?
<v Speaker 1>Did you did you watch the video on this one?
<v Speaker 1>The director for this one is a guy named Andrew Morahan,
<v Speaker 1>and this was the second video off of this album
<v Speaker 1>that he had directed for him. He also did the
<v Speaker 1>video for Finish What You Started, which we'll talk about
<v Speaker 1>here in just a second. To say, this guy was prolific.
<v Speaker 1>This was the fifteenth music video that he had directed
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty eight. Among the others, we have Scritty
<v Speaker 1>Politi and multiple George Michael songs, including Father Figure, Faith,
<v Speaker 1>Kissing a Fool.
<v Speaker 2>And Monkey, Oh There It is.
<v Speaker 1>Wow. He was a part of the decision to have
<v Speaker 1>George Michael wear that hat.
<v Speaker 2>Oh Wow.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, moving on to the next song on the album.
<v Speaker 3>This is called Finish What You Started.
<v Speaker 1>The question is can Eddie van Halen pick country?
<v Speaker 3>Answer is yes, can Eddie van Halen interrupt sex and
<v Speaker 3>come up with a great song.
<v Speaker 1>This, I answer, is my favorite story you told during
<v Speaker 1>part three of our Van Halen Versus Van Hagar episodes,
<v Speaker 1>So please please share the story with us again.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So here's the story. Eddie and Sammy live next
<v Speaker 3>door to each other, and one night, Sammy is, you know,
<v Speaker 3>feeling frisky, and so he starts to make moves on
<v Speaker 3>his wife, warming her up and getting ready to enjoy
<v Speaker 3>a moment with his wife, and some fool is banging
<v Speaker 3>on his back door and he gets up to kind
<v Speaker 3>of look outside. He says dark, looks down. All he
<v Speaker 3>sees is the red light from the cigarette that Eddie
<v Speaker 3>is smoking, and he screams down and he was like,
<v Speaker 3>go away, dude, it's late. And he's like, no, I
<v Speaker 3>got an idea for a song. Come down here. And
<v Speaker 3>he's like, dude, I'm in and I'm doing something right now.
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, no, come on down here. So Eddie
<v Speaker 3>quit us interrupt us messes up Sammy's love session. So
<v Speaker 3>Sammy's like, what can I do? He was my best
<v Speaker 3>friend and my songwriting partner. My wife could wait. So
<v Speaker 3>he comes downstairs and her rule was no smoking in
<v Speaker 3>the house, so he had to sit on the back
<v Speaker 3>patio bathrobe and that is all hiding the band behind
<v Speaker 3>the bathrobe. Ain't no attention, and they sit down and
<v Speaker 3>they start to compose this song, which Eddie had kind
<v Speaker 3>of come up with the idea of the guitar and
<v Speaker 3>the lyrics come from a interrupted sex session with Sammy
<v Speaker 3>and his wife.
<v Speaker 1>Stop interrupt us.
<v Speaker 2>One of my favorite things when when Sammy was talking
<v Speaker 2>about this story. This is two o'clock in the morning
<v Speaker 2>when this happens, and when asked like, how could you
<v Speaker 2>possibly go down and do what you did? Sammy says,
<v Speaker 2>and I quote anytime anybody's got a good song, idea,
<v Speaker 2>or some good dope or some good tequila or some
<v Speaker 2>good I will be there. Okay, there it is, I mean.
<v Speaker 3>Words to live by, right, Sammy is not wanting to
<v Speaker 3>miss out on a good time.
<v Speaker 1>I guaran.
<v Speaker 3>Did you know? This was the third single. It reached
<v Speaker 3>number thirteen on the charts. Let's talk about the video
<v Speaker 3>for this song filmed in black and white. So I
<v Speaker 3>saw Sammy interviewed. He said Andy Moorehan's biggest contribution to
<v Speaker 3>the band was bringing in hot girls for the video.
<v Speaker 3>And in this video, there are some eye catching women.
<v Speaker 1>Jason and I had a debate about this. We were
<v Speaker 1>watching the video before we started and I was like,
<v Speaker 1>that's Cary from the Remote Control game show on MTV.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, nah, it just looks like her. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>that's her, and He's like, well, they did an interview
<v Speaker 1>with her, so I don't really think it's her. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>that's probably how she got the interview, and she was
<v Speaker 1>smoking hot back then. I'm a.
<v Speaker 2>Man, just start. Cary War is still smoking hot. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've seen her lately. She is still
<v Speaker 2>bringing the heat.
<v Speaker 3>She was one of the major reasons for me watching
<v Speaker 3>Remote Control all the time.
<v Speaker 2>The only reason.
<v Speaker 1>Stars As said.
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't Colin Twinn and it wasn't that exactly. That's right.
<v Speaker 2>No, you know, we talked about Kabo Wabbo being the
<v Speaker 2>party song. I think finish what you started as like,
<v Speaker 2>it's right in that wheelhouse. It's this is one of
<v Speaker 2>the funnest tracks and it appeals to everybody. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, a little bit acoustic guitar, a little bit,
<v Speaker 2>it's slow, it's fast, it's it's just fun. And the
<v Speaker 2>double entendres that are that are in the song make
<v Speaker 2>it fun. I love this song. It's try, it's great.
<v Speaker 1>This guitar solo, even though it is totally different than
<v Speaker 1>any other Eddy van Halen guitar solo, is a far
<v Speaker 1>better guitar solo than the one you referenced earlier. It
<v Speaker 1>is fantastic, it's fun, it's silly, it's country, and it
<v Speaker 1>is great.
<v Speaker 3>I've heard Sammy say that this is actually the real
<v Speaker 3>van Halen.
<v Speaker 1>Like it.
<v Speaker 3>You wanted to come and hang out with van Halen
<v Speaker 3>like on a daily basis, this would be more of
<v Speaker 3>what they play. By the way, this song was used
<v Speaker 3>as the theme music for a short lived nineteen ninety
<v Speaker 3>sitcom called Sydney, which starred Valerie Burton Elli.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, my mind is blown now.
<v Speaker 3>By the way, the rest of the story is Sammy
<v Speaker 3>came back to bed and could not quite generate the
<v Speaker 3>same spark that was there earlier. Oh no, come on, baby, baby,
<v Speaker 3>you say yes? All right? Moving on to the next song,
<v Speaker 3>the best song in.
<v Speaker 1>My opinion, whoa?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, whoa.
<v Speaker 3>This song is called black and Blue.
<v Speaker 1>What do you guys think this song's about.
<v Speaker 2>I know exactly what it's about.
<v Speaker 3>Push it in. You've got the rhythm.
<v Speaker 1>This is quite as uninterrupted. Yes, this song. I cannot
<v Speaker 1>listen to this song because of our van Hagar episode
<v Speaker 1>without thinking about strippers. Jason said, this is the ultimate
<v Speaker 1>stripper song and now I can't hear it without going yep.
<v Speaker 1>I can see how this will go, yep, I can.
<v Speaker 1>I can imagine how this part's going. Yep. It's all
<v Speaker 1>that I can.
<v Speaker 3>This is a total strippers a yeah, and it's a
<v Speaker 3>fantastic strippers.
<v Speaker 2>It is you know, hey, good writers write what you know.
<v Speaker 1>And this movie.
<v Speaker 2>This song comes from Sammy's experience during the fifty one
<v Speaker 2>fifty tour. He literally was black and blue and had
<v Speaker 2>to abstain for a week because he was he was
<v Speaker 2>hurting in some tender areas. Do it to me, baby
<v Speaker 2>to where black till it's black and blue. He is
<v Speaker 2>quoted as saying, this is a masterpiece of phrasing in
<v Speaker 2>this song.
<v Speaker 3>In this track, Hey, this song just oozes sex. I
<v Speaker 3>think Gosha, So for me, this is the best Sammy
<v Speaker 3>Hagar van Halen song. This is my absolute favorite. It's irresistible.
<v Speaker 3>It's a turn it up to eleven, top down, turn
<v Speaker 3>it up. But I also think this is the Sammy
<v Speaker 3>Hagar song that's most like Dave. I could totally see
<v Speaker 3>Dave singing this song.
<v Speaker 2>This is definitely yeah, I could see that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who you're.
<v Speaker 3>Talking, I say, Dave, I'm sorry, this is this is
<v Speaker 3>his kind of callback.
<v Speaker 2>Like I can be a little trashy too, I can
<v Speaker 2>be a little I can be a little wild, canne.
<v Speaker 3>A little reached down between his legs, and he's the
<v Speaker 3>seaback with the best of them, right, with the best
<v Speaker 3>of them. This is the first single release. This reached
<v Speaker 3>number one on the Rock charts, number thirty four on
<v Speaker 3>the Hot one hundred. For me, this is the best
<v Speaker 3>song on the album.
<v Speaker 2>You'll stand by that.
<v Speaker 3>I'm standing by it. I'm spiking the football. This is
<v Speaker 3>the best song on the album.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I love it, but I can't say it's the
<v Speaker 2>best song on the album.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, agreed, it's good. It's not a tentpole man. It's
<v Speaker 1>maybe a stake, but it's not a.
<v Speaker 3>Temp Okay, all right. You know. I saw Sammy talking
<v Speaker 3>about what it was like being in a band with
<v Speaker 3>two brothers. He said that they always had the majority
<v Speaker 3>in the band, right, they always had each other's back
<v Speaker 3>and they loved each other dearly, but they would fight
<v Speaker 3>like cats and dogs. And when he said they would fight,
<v Speaker 3>they would actually fist fight. These are, you know, thirty
<v Speaker 3>and forty year old men. And he said it would
<v Speaker 3>start like this, Hey, can I have a cigarette? Hey man,
<v Speaker 3>get your own cigarettes? Heymn f you, Oh yeah fu.
<v Speaker 3>And that was it. That's all it took. Fist fight,
<v Speaker 3>he said. When they got really mad, they would yell
<v Speaker 3>at each other in Dutch. And when they were yelling
<v Speaker 3>at each other in Dutch, they said, just got out
<v Speaker 3>of the way, you know, and just let them go
<v Speaker 3>for it, all right. Next song of the album is
<v Speaker 3>called Sucker in a three piece.
<v Speaker 1>So this one is again a throwback to the sound
<v Speaker 1>of early Van Halen very very much. Show, however, does
<v Speaker 1>not hit me in the fields the way that the
<v Speaker 1>others do. This one is, it's not. It's probably my
<v Speaker 1>least favorite song on the album.
<v Speaker 2>It definitely harkens back to the earlier sound. If you
<v Speaker 2>listen carefully, you're gonna hear the drums from Panama. I
<v Speaker 2>don't love it, but I won't skip it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm kind of with the this is This doesn't
<v Speaker 3>quite do it for me. This is the one of
<v Speaker 3>the valleys on the album. For me, now, it's a
<v Speaker 3>val it's hardcore van Halen and it's fun, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>but not my favorite.
<v Speaker 1>It probably is better live. I think they missed maybe
<v Speaker 1>missed something in the studio when they were recording it.
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell you what it is. I couldn't put
<v Speaker 1>my finger on it. The song itself is about a
<v Speaker 1>gold digger woman. They've got a roback on it, though
<v Speaker 1>they One of the lyrics is nine on a ten scale,
<v Speaker 1>which is an album from Sammy Hagar from like nineteen
<v Speaker 1>seventy six.
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, I think that's really cool.
<v Speaker 1>I little rowback there, that's pretty cool. But it doesn't
<v Speaker 1>save this.
<v Speaker 3>As you like the lyrics. Her legs go straight up
<v Speaker 3>to her lunch pale.
<v Speaker 2>This is Sammy trying to you know, we talked about
<v Speaker 2>this with Black and Blue. He can be dirty with
<v Speaker 2>the rest of them. I could see this being a
<v Speaker 2>track that they would have played with with the former
<v Speaker 2>front man based on some of the lyrics. Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 2>about that goal there. He's writing this song in Kabba
<v Speaker 2>San Lucas the same time he's doing Kaba Wabbo and
<v Speaker 2>he was at the twin dolphins when he saw what
<v Speaker 2>he said was a gorgeous, like twenty something year old
<v Speaker 2>girl with a sixty year old, fat, ugly, balding guy,
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, how how could you possibly think
<v Speaker 2>she loves you? You know, this guy's a sucker, as they.
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't care if she loves it. Maybe he just thinks
<v Speaker 1>it feels so good. Maybe he just wants to do
<v Speaker 1>it till.
<v Speaker 2>He's black end.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I saw that story that he saw her pool
<v Speaker 3>side and was knocked over by her beauty, but when
<v Speaker 3>he saw the person she was with, that guy's a sucker. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>So that actually takes us to the end of the
<v Speaker 3>cassette tape.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you had the cassette or the vinyl, that
<v Speaker 1>was the last song that you got to hear. But
<v Speaker 1>if you got the CD you could get in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>eighty eight. If you got the CD, you've got one
<v Speaker 1>more song on this one and OnCore if you will,
<v Speaker 1>a cover of a Little Feat song called a Political
<v Speaker 1>Luis It's told me it was taming. This song when
<v Speaker 1>it was done by Little Feet, was actually produced by
<v Speaker 1>Ted Templeman and Don Landy, So Don you just had
<v Speaker 1>to set up the microphones he was ready to go.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I got this, guys, I got it. I
<v Speaker 1>feel like listening to this song, I love it, like
<v Speaker 1>I would love to see them in a club playing
<v Speaker 1>this song. But I also just feel like they could
<v Speaker 1>have been in a club playing this song. This is
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they're like, hey, let's throw one extra
<v Speaker 1>song in for the CD since we got a little
<v Speaker 1>extra time, and they probably did this in one take.
<v Speaker 3>I agree with that. I think this is a club
<v Speaker 3>only type of song back in the day when I
<v Speaker 3>had a cassette player and I had a CD player.
<v Speaker 3>Which do I want? Is a political Blue is worth it? Nope,
<v Speaker 3>it's just them screwing around. If they did something else
<v Speaker 3>really cool, now, that would have been great, But this
<v Speaker 3>ain't it.
<v Speaker 2>If there's one skipper on this whole album, this is it.
<v Speaker 2>If it's up to me. Like we talked about Kabba
<v Speaker 2>Wabo being the fun party, it's probably about twelve thirty
<v Speaker 2>or one o'clock in the morning that cop when we
<v Speaker 2>were doing Cobo Wabbo. This song is like three thirty
<v Speaker 2>four am, when it's there's like four people left in
<v Speaker 2>the in the bar. I hear this song and I
<v Speaker 2>immediately see Anthony Michael Hall going you know fats Man,
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you about this girl. I just take
<v Speaker 2>it off of this album, and it's a good It's
<v Speaker 2>a good bluesy song. It's fun, but it's it doesn't
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he belongs on this album.
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you.
<v Speaker 3>This is the three thirty am. Everybody tip your waitresses,
<v Speaker 3>be careful of the way home. Thanks for coming out.
<v Speaker 3>Good night.
<v Speaker 1>This is the perfect song for us to transition into
<v Speaker 1>final judgment on these two albums. I feel like this
<v Speaker 1>could have been a great song, but they dialed it.
<v Speaker 3>In well before we three do our final judgment. Let's
<v Speaker 3>listen to Kevin Davis, who was our guest on Cinderella's
<v Speaker 3>Long Cold Winter. Let's hear his final judgment between Cinderella's
<v Speaker 3>Long Cold Winner and Van Halen's Oh You eight one,
<v Speaker 3>two albums.
<v Speaker 4>You're asking me to compare bands, I would have to
<v Speaker 4>say Van Halen is by head and shoulders above Cinderella.
<v Speaker 4>But whenever you put these two albums side by side,
<v Speaker 4>Long Cold Winner is the better quality album, more hits
<v Speaker 4>to it, more listenability. It's got a song on the
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty eight Makeout List, got some other songs that
<v Speaker 4>are contenders, But You eight one two was not one
<v Speaker 4>of my favorite band Haleen albums by not even in
<v Speaker 4>my top five. Any of those top five van Halen
<v Speaker 4>albums would have blown anything Cinderella could do out. But
<v Speaker 4>when you compare Long Cold Winner to You eight one two,
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to give the nod to Long Cold Winner.
<v Speaker 1>Well there you go. I mean, the man obviously is
<v Speaker 1>a van Halen fan who still appreciates that there was
<v Speaker 1>a better album. Well, I guess I just tipped my hand.
<v Speaker 1>I'll go first on my final judgment on this album.
<v Speaker 1>This is not the most lopsided comparison that we've ever had,
<v Speaker 1>but in my opinion, is very lop As I mentioned earlier,
<v Speaker 1>I didn't own either one of these two albums, so
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these songs I was here were the
<v Speaker 1>first time. To me, Cinderella got that blues feel right,
<v Speaker 1>where Van Halen missed the vote like they did with
<v Speaker 1>the AA Political Blues. I like Ou eight one two.
<v Speaker 1>I think there are several really good songs on the album.
<v Speaker 1>It's not the best van Halen album, and it even
<v Speaker 1>as a big van Halen fan, it's not even the
<v Speaker 1>best Van Hagar album. It's a good album. It's worthy
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty eight's success for sure. So my opinion
<v Speaker 1>is that Long Cold Winner is far and away a
<v Speaker 1>better album of two albums.
<v Speaker 3>Jeff, thank you for guesting with us this week. What
<v Speaker 3>is your opinion between these two albums.
<v Speaker 2>The big surprise for me when you asked me to
<v Speaker 2>join you on this one again. I'm a huge Van
<v Speaker 2>Halen fan, so I thought, well, this is gonna be fair.
<v Speaker 2>But when I turned on A Long Hole Winter, it
<v Speaker 2>blew me away because it had been probably I don't
<v Speaker 2>know twenty years or more since I had heard it,
<v Speaker 2>and it is. I think it's the best Cinderella album.
<v Speaker 2>I mean you start right off with like it's like
<v Speaker 2>four or five tracks right in a row that are
<v Speaker 2>just hit after hit after hit. I was loving it,
<v Speaker 2>and the whole time I'm listening to it, I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>this might be better than OU eight one too. I
<v Speaker 2>got it. I gotta be honest here, I gotta I
<v Speaker 2>gotta look at this so you know, in the end
<v Speaker 2>it comes down to this for me, Cinderella. There's sound,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's fantastic, but it actually you know, like like
<v Speaker 2>the last song on the album Coming Home. When I
<v Speaker 2>listened to it, I'm coming home to the eighties. It
<v Speaker 2>is quintessential eighties rock, like big hair rock, and sometimes
<v Speaker 2>you're in the mood for that, sometimes you're not. Meanwhile,
<v Speaker 2>OU eight one two, while it might not be the
<v Speaker 2>greatest Van Helen album, it's still a great album. And
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like it's dated in any sense. You know,
<v Speaker 2>I can hear Kabo Wabbo twenty years ago, I can
<v Speaker 2>hear it now and it just sound it's a fun
<v Speaker 2>party song. You know, Jason, you talked, you know, you
<v Speaker 2>kind of said like it's like a Jimmy Buffett thing.
<v Speaker 2>So for me, it's a photo finish. But I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>stick with van Halen. I'm gonna go OU eight one
<v Speaker 2>two is the better album, and it's it's such a
<v Speaker 2>close call because d is right. If you appreciate the
<v Speaker 2>bluesy sound, turn on Cinderella because they nail it. But
<v Speaker 2>I think van Halen has more fun. I'm going with
<v Speaker 2>Van Halen.
<v Speaker 3>All right. So it's two to one currently, two for
<v Speaker 3>Long Cold Winter, one FORU eight one two. Thank you
<v Speaker 3>for that, Jeff, So for me, I love both these albums.
<v Speaker 3>These were very important albums to me in nineteen eighty eight.
<v Speaker 3>It comes down to the fact that on OU eight
<v Speaker 3>one two you've got peaks and you've got valleys, and
<v Speaker 3>the peaks are awesome. I love Kabla Albo, and I
<v Speaker 3>love Black and Blue and when it's love and I
<v Speaker 3>love feels so good. The valleys sucker in a three
<v Speaker 3>piece source of infection, a political blues. Those peaks are
<v Speaker 3>lower on OU eight one two than any of the
<v Speaker 3>peaks on Long Cold Winner. Because of that, I am
<v Speaker 3>casting my vote and spiking my football. Long Cold Winter
<v Speaker 3>is the better of these two albums.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, Arln is going to be shaking his fist.
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Irelen Radio right now.
<v Speaker 1>Arln always sides with you, but he called it wrong.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, I love them both, but I gotta call him
<v Speaker 3>like I see it.
<v Speaker 2>I thought for sure you were lining up on the
<v Speaker 2>Van Halen camp with.
<v Speaker 3>Me, Cinderella. Long Cold Winter is a minor.
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<v Speaker 1>We've got an episode coming up again with the a
<v Speaker 1>film by Guys where we're going to talk about the
<v Speaker 1>what the heck happened with a couple of movies.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're talking about Last Action Hero with our good
<v Speaker 3>buddy Jeff Johnson of the Film by Podcast, where he
<v Speaker 3>is going to defend the indefensible.
<v Speaker 2>Tip of my hand already for me.
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, no, no, you have.
<v Speaker 2>You have been firing shots for a couple of weeks
<v Speaker 2>now about about some of those movies. And I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'll just I'll just wait, I'll state
<v Speaker 2>my case when it's time. I'm looking forward to that one.
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<v Speaker 3>So all right, everybody catch us next week when we
<v Speaker 3>got Jeff and Brad back to talk about Last Action Hero,
<v Speaker 3>and then I think we're gonna have you back again.
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna talk about Alien.
<v Speaker 1>Three, an awesome film.
<v Speaker 2>D's d is this face is just all scrunched up.
<v Speaker 2>I'll defend I will defend Fincher's Alien three.
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, that's gonna be fun. We're gonna talk about
<v Speaker 3>what the heck happened for those two movies.
<v Speaker 1>Thanks everyone, Hi guys