264 | Mastering Neutrality: Wrap-up (A Reflection on What It Means to Be CCPT)
Play Therapy Podcast: A Master-Class in Child-Centered Play Therapy
In this final episode of the Mastering Neutrality Series on the Play Therapy Podcast, I reflect on the essence of child-centered play therapy (CCPT) through a deeply moving piece written by Lee, a CCPT therapist in the UK. She beautifully captures what it truly means to embody neutrality, congruence, and acceptance in the playroom. Her words illustrate the heart of our work—being present with children, no matter the mess, the chaos, or the unknown, and holding space for their emotions without judgment.
I also share exciting news about my ongoing partnership with Core Wellness, where February will be dedicated entirely to CCPT. With new CEU opportunities and trainings on the horizon, we are continuing to spread the power of CCPT far and wide. As we close this series, I hope this episode reminds you of the profound impact of simply being with children in the playroom.
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Common References: Cochran, N., Nordling, W., & Cochran, J. (2010). Child-Centered Play Therapy (1st ed.). Wiley. VanFleet, R., Sywulak, A. E., & Sniscak, C. C. (2010). Child-centered play therapy. Guilford Press. Landreth, G.L. (2023). Play Therapy: The Art of the Relationship (4th ed.). Routledge. Bratton, S. C., Landreth, G. L., Kellam, T., & Blackard, S. R. (2006). Child parent relationship therapy (CPRT) treatment manual: A 10-session filial therapy model for training parents. Routledge/Taylor & Francis Group. Benedict, Helen. Themes in Play Therapy. Used with permission to Heartland Play Therapy Institute.
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0 00:00:00,439 --> 00:00:04,320 You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks, 1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,189 your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching. 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:08,640 Hi, 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:09,710 I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks, 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:10,439 The Kid Counselor. 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,439 This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get 6 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:14,670 a master class in child-centered play therapy 7 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,959 and practical support and application for your 8 00:00:16,959 --> 00:00:18,479 work with children and their families. 9 00:00:18,909 --> 00:00:19,809 In today's episode, 10 00:00:19,860 --> 00:00:22,729 we are finishing out our neutrality series. 11 00:00:23,020 --> 00:00:25,129 Thank you so much for all of you who have reached out 12 00:00:25,129 --> 00:00:29,700 to me about this series and asked questions and processed it and really 13 00:00:30,090 --> 00:00:34,009 tried to adhere to the idea of the importance of neutrality. 14 00:00:34,340 --> 00:00:37,259 So I'm really excited and encouraged by all of the feedback that I've gotten, 15 00:00:37,299 --> 00:00:38,220 so I appreciate y'all, 16 00:00:38,259 --> 00:00:38,819 as always, 17 00:00:38,959 --> 00:00:39,860 not that that's new. 18 00:00:40,819 --> 00:00:43,630 Really quick little public service announcement. 19 00:00:43,939 --> 00:00:47,889 Huge thank you to everyone who attended the Corwell Workshop this last Friday, 20 00:00:48,419 --> 00:00:51,729 and that was a 4 hour CEU course really 21 00:00:52,299 --> 00:00:55,169 involved and invested participants. 22 00:00:55,299 --> 00:00:56,060 We had really, 23 00:00:56,139 --> 00:00:58,180 really helpful conversation and dialogue, 24 00:00:58,189 --> 00:01:00,169 and it was just a really encouraging time. 25 00:01:00,259 --> 00:01:02,250 So thank you for all of you that attended. 26 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:04,050 I wanted to let the rest of you know, 27 00:01:04,779 --> 00:01:05,150 Joseph, 28 00:01:05,220 --> 00:01:06,370 who owns Corwell. 29 00:01:07,069 --> 00:01:09,699 is so invested and excited 30 00:01:09,949 --> 00:01:11,129 about CCPT. 31 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,129 He is making February CCPT month 32 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,430 for Corwell, 33 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:22,589 and he is writing articles and promoting and marketing and doing all kinds of push 34 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:25,110 to all of the mental health 35 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,260 industries 36 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:33,629 about CCPT and featuring CCPT as the entire month of February for all of the CEUs. 37 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,489 So huge shout out to Corwell and Joseph and Katie. 38 00:01:36,870 --> 00:01:38,050 And the team there, 39 00:01:38,260 --> 00:01:42,699 he is really truly supportive and invested in CCPT. 40 00:01:42,940 --> 00:01:44,089 He sees the value of it. 41 00:01:44,180 --> 00:01:46,099 He knows that you all are hungry for it 42 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:47,540 and so many, 43 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:48,930 many more trainings to come. 44 00:01:48,980 --> 00:01:52,610 We're actively talking on maybe 7 or 8, 45 00:01:52,739 --> 00:01:53,180 maybe more, 46 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:54,410 maybe up to 10 47 00:01:54,980 --> 00:01:57,489 different courses that we're gonna be putting out soon, 48 00:01:57,580 --> 00:01:57,900 so. 49 00:01:58,190 --> 00:01:59,069 I'm really excited. 50 00:01:59,099 --> 00:02:01,209 Corwell is going to be a huge partner for us 51 00:02:01,209 --> 00:02:03,690 to spread the word about CCPT all over the world 52 00:02:03,980 --> 00:02:06,769 for people who are looking for continuing education credits, 53 00:02:06,779 --> 00:02:08,690 so really excited about that. 54 00:02:09,258 --> 00:02:09,538 OK, 55 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:10,050 so 56 00:02:10,220 --> 00:02:12,529 we're gonna finish out the neutrality series. 57 00:02:13,179 --> 00:02:14,979 We have talked a lot about 58 00:02:15,610 --> 00:02:17,059 the benefits of neutrality, 59 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:18,570 the importance of neutrality, 60 00:02:18,699 --> 00:02:20,649 Roger's take on neutrality, 61 00:02:20,979 --> 00:02:24,050 ways that we can be mindful of remaining neutral 62 00:02:24,339 --> 00:02:25,339 in sessions. 63 00:02:25,460 --> 00:02:27,130 We've kind of processed quite a bit together. 64 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:28,229 But 65 00:02:28,399 --> 00:02:29,800 one of my coaching participants, 66 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:31,000 Lee in the UK. 67 00:02:31,979 --> 00:02:32,820 had a homework assignment. 68 00:02:32,899 --> 00:02:34,690 They all had a homework assignment this week, 69 00:02:34,699 --> 00:02:35,770 which was to 70 00:02:36,070 --> 00:02:39,779 send me a list of must-have characteristics for CCPTs. 71 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,660 So she sent me her must have list 72 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:44,309 and then attached to it 73 00:02:44,619 --> 00:02:46,100 was just something that she wrote 74 00:02:46,460 --> 00:02:47,059 about 75 00:02:47,949 --> 00:02:50,050 what it means to be a CCPT, 76 00:02:50,509 --> 00:02:52,770 what it means to be wholly child-centered, 77 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:55,589 and what it is to be, 78 00:02:55,979 --> 00:02:56,350 in other words, 79 00:02:56,429 --> 00:02:57,990 I am CCPT. 80 00:02:58,429 --> 00:02:59,350 I asked permission, 81 00:02:59,429 --> 00:03:02,699 she said that she was fully supportive of me sharing this. 82 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:07,720 And I don't really know a more effective and helpful way to 83 00:03:08,279 --> 00:03:09,630 close out this series 84 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,110 than to just let these words fall. 85 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:15,190 And if we can be 86 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,110 as she describes what and what I'm about to read. 87 00:03:19,139 --> 00:03:20,320 There's neutrality, 88 00:03:20,539 --> 00:03:21,740 there's congruence, 89 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:23,410 there's acceptance, 90 00:03:23,899 --> 00:03:24,690 there's 91 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:25,770 relationship. 92 00:03:26,660 --> 00:03:28,580 And that's what we're about. 93 00:03:28,929 --> 00:03:29,960 It's about 94 00:03:30,309 --> 00:03:31,309 neutrally 95 00:03:31,990 --> 00:03:32,419 accepting, 96 00:03:32,509 --> 00:03:34,270 loving and being congruent 97 00:03:34,509 --> 00:03:35,740 to preserve the relationship, 98 00:03:35,789 --> 00:03:38,750 and I think what she wrote just completely embodies that. 99 00:03:38,830 --> 00:03:39,339 So, 100 00:03:39,830 --> 00:03:41,940 I want to read the entirety of what she wrote. 101 00:03:42,649 --> 00:03:45,050 And we'll just kind of let this fall and, 102 00:03:45,279 --> 00:03:46,070 and then 103 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:46,970 send me an email, 104 00:03:47,130 --> 00:03:50,029 shoot me a message and let me know what your thoughts are. 105 00:03:50,679 --> 00:03:52,220 brenna@thekidcounselor.com, 106 00:03:52,229 --> 00:03:53,270 if you don't know that already. 107 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:53,919 By the way, 108 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,429 if you're new and maybe you don't know that, 109 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,919 there are always new listeners. 110 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:57,880 Welcome, 111 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:58,789 really glad you're here. 112 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,070 Thank you so much for 113 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,830 being interested in CCPT. 114 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,850 I highly recommend you go back and start at episode one, 115 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:05,389 and I know, 116 00:04:05,419 --> 00:04:05,619 yes, 117 00:04:05,710 --> 00:04:07,589 there are 250+ episodes, 118 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:07,940 but 119 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,500 I promise you it's worth it. 120 00:04:09,509 --> 00:04:12,259 It's a seminal training starting from the ground up. 121 00:04:12,669 --> 00:04:13,979 So if you 122 00:04:14,190 --> 00:04:16,059 have not listened from the beginning, 123 00:04:16,149 --> 00:04:17,858 I really highly encourage you to do that 124 00:04:18,350 --> 00:04:21,220 and it will make all of this make so much more sense. 125 00:04:21,350 --> 00:04:22,040 So welcome. 126 00:04:22,190 --> 00:04:25,700 This is one of the most incredible podcast audiences in the world, 127 00:04:26,029 --> 00:04:27,179 and I'm really glad that you're here. 128 00:04:27,309 --> 00:04:30,029 So looking forward to you hanging on with us for 129 00:04:30,029 --> 00:04:31,540 those of us that have been around a while. 130 00:04:31,750 --> 00:04:32,260 OK, 131 00:04:32,470 --> 00:04:34,420 so let me read Lee's comments. 132 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:37,079 As a child-centered play therapist, 133 00:04:37,730 --> 00:04:40,489 I'm OK with not knowing why a child 134 00:04:40,489 --> 00:04:43,769 just stacked 7 dinosaurs and declared them spaghetti. 135 00:04:44,859 --> 00:04:48,630 I walk away from the playroom knowing I will never have all the pieces, 136 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,109 but I'm OK with that. 137 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:52,980 I remain utterly unfazed 138 00:04:53,190 --> 00:04:55,899 when an entire bucket of Legos is upturned, 139 00:04:56,429 --> 00:04:58,160 when Play-Dough meets the carpet, 140 00:04:58,429 --> 00:05:02,429 and when someone has just mixed up all my pipe cleaners in with the paint. 141 00:05:03,450 --> 00:05:07,380 I see an entire roll of cello-tape unraveled across the room 142 00:05:07,709 --> 00:05:11,899 as an important part of a superhero's journey rather than wasteful. 143 00:05:12,670 --> 00:05:15,010 I believe all materials have a purpose, 144 00:05:15,299 --> 00:05:18,390 even if that purpose is currently wrapped around my shoe. 145 00:05:19,589 --> 00:05:20,940 I never need to win, 146 00:05:21,269 --> 00:05:24,619 because my real skill lies in losing with a neutral face. 147 00:05:25,579 --> 00:05:27,890 Even when being obliterated at Jenga. 148 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,380 I can withstand bumps, 149 00:05:30,459 --> 00:05:31,279 knocks, 150 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:33,989 and the occasional rogue foam sword attack 151 00:05:34,380 --> 00:05:35,890 as pain is temporary, 152 00:05:36,140 --> 00:05:37,350 but play is forever. 153 00:05:38,329 --> 00:05:41,149 I accept going on lunch dates with a dress code 154 00:05:41,149 --> 00:05:44,230 that requires me to come as a dragon in a tutu 155 00:05:44,750 --> 00:05:46,459 as dignity is overrated. 156 00:05:47,609 --> 00:05:48,959 Composure is key, 157 00:05:49,250 --> 00:05:50,700 so I keep my nerve 158 00:05:50,989 --> 00:05:53,119 fiercely protecting the relationship 159 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:55,649 even when there is a nerf gun at my forehead. 160 00:05:56,450 --> 00:05:57,239 That said, 161 00:05:57,489 --> 00:05:59,730 ducking is always an acceptable option. 162 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,459 I hear everything you need to tell me 163 00:06:03,730 --> 00:06:06,279 even when you don't say a word for nearly an hour. 164 00:06:07,290 --> 00:06:09,890 I can play pop up pirate on repeat, 165 00:06:10,299 --> 00:06:12,970 maintaining the enthusiasm of the first round. 166 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:15,529 I am the eye of the storm 167 00:06:15,940 --> 00:06:19,859 even when the storm wrecks my room just minutes before my next client. 168 00:06:20,859 --> 00:06:22,929 I can join you in your delight 169 00:06:23,290 --> 00:06:25,329 as the last drop of all my paint, 170 00:06:25,410 --> 00:06:25,850 glue, 171 00:06:25,899 --> 00:06:26,760 and glitter 172 00:06:27,130 --> 00:06:30,480 is finally emptied onto one rather small paper plate. 173 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:33,809 I hold a child's trust like gold, 174 00:06:34,540 --> 00:06:35,809 knowing it takes time, 175 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:36,489 patience, 176 00:06:36,579 --> 00:06:38,329 and many rounds of hide and seek. 177 00:06:39,739 --> 00:06:44,359 I can enter unknown narrative territories without hesitation 178 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:48,079 as fear is for those who have never been a dragon's sidekick. 179 00:06:49,140 --> 00:06:53,279 I believe in the possibility of transforming absolutely nothing 180 00:06:53,730 --> 00:06:55,420 into absolutely everything. 181 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,890 I know that hippos can be helicopters. 182 00:06:59,850 --> 00:07:01,429 I accept every child, 183 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:02,790 no matter their mood, 184 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:03,910 their story, 185 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,029 or the fact that they just told me 186 00:07:06,239 --> 00:07:08,079 I look older than World War II. 187 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,350 I understand that silence is not empty. 188 00:07:13,299 --> 00:07:15,619 I hear the words you haven't said yet. 189 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,950 I believe every feeling matters, 190 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,019 even messy, 191 00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:21,149 complicated, 192 00:07:21,239 --> 00:07:22,600 glitter covered ones. 193 00:07:23,690 --> 00:07:27,820 There is no competition in the world where every child feels like a winner, 194 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:31,100 but there is a playroom where anything is possible. 195 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:34,420 Interpretation can be optional, 196 00:07:34,750 --> 00:07:36,670 but acceptance is essential. 197 00:07:37,570 --> 00:07:39,190 Mess is temporary, 198 00:07:39,359 --> 00:07:40,179 even glitter. 199 00:07:41,250 --> 00:07:42,799 Play is powerful. 200 00:07:43,049 --> 00:07:45,119 A playroom is not just a space, 201 00:07:45,329 --> 00:07:46,959 but a world of possibility, 202 00:07:47,250 --> 00:07:47,730 healing, 203 00:07:47,790 --> 00:07:48,929 and transformation. 204 00:07:50,019 --> 00:07:51,730 No matter how deep they go, 205 00:07:52,019 --> 00:07:54,480 I will journey with them in their feelings. 206 00:07:54,859 --> 00:07:56,420 I am prepared to cry for them. 207 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,420 I'm prepared to feel their hurt, 208 00:07:59,630 --> 00:08:00,380 their fear, 209 00:08:00,630 --> 00:08:02,019 and their chaos, 210 00:08:02,630 --> 00:08:06,339 not because I can change their feelings or take away their pain, 211 00:08:06,869 --> 00:08:09,549 but because I am a child-centered play therapist. 212 00:08:11,730 --> 00:08:13,510 And I will be with them. 213 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,859 And if you aren't touched by that, 214 00:08:19,470 --> 00:08:21,380 I don't know what you 215 00:08:22,470 --> 00:08:24,299 Could feel that would make you 216 00:08:24,549 --> 00:08:25,420 more emotional. 217 00:08:27,529 --> 00:08:28,760 This is why 218 00:08:29,049 --> 00:08:30,809 we are child-centered play therapists. 219 00:08:32,210 --> 00:08:35,849 Because we remain neutral when anyone else in the world wouldn't. 220 00:08:36,909 --> 00:08:40,760 We remain accepting when anyone else in the world wouldn't. 221 00:08:41,859 --> 00:08:43,090 We love kids 222 00:08:43,299 --> 00:08:45,289 when anyone else in the world wouldn't. 223 00:08:46,380 --> 00:08:48,359 And we know what's going on, 224 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:50,710 even when we don't know what's going on. 225 00:08:52,530 --> 00:08:53,880 The beauty 226 00:08:54,169 --> 00:08:55,719 and the simplicity 227 00:08:56,289 --> 00:08:58,010 of child-centered play therapy. 228 00:08:59,210 --> 00:09:00,739 In all of its glory. 229 00:09:01,539 --> 00:09:03,570 Is represented in those words. 230 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,070 We 231 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,359 just get to be with kids. 232 00:09:09,669 --> 00:09:12,710 What an incredibly special gift. 233 00:09:13,469 --> 00:09:15,510 And in the midst of it all, 234 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:16,869 we work hard. 235 00:09:17,599 --> 00:09:18,200 It's simple, 236 00:09:18,530 --> 00:09:19,530 but it isn't easy. 237 00:09:20,869 --> 00:09:22,049 We work hard 238 00:09:22,739 --> 00:09:24,349 And our kids work hard, 239 00:09:24,929 --> 00:09:28,000 and sometimes we have to increase our neutrality, 240 00:09:28,359 --> 00:09:30,419 sometimes we have to increase our congruence, 241 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,859 sometimes we have to increase our acceptance. 242 00:09:34,570 --> 00:09:36,059 But no matter what, 243 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,500 with the relationship at the heart 244 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:40,020 of everything we do. 245 00:09:41,239 --> 00:09:42,150 Kids heal, 246 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,820 and they become better versions of themselves. 247 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,010 So I hope that that encourages you the way that it did me. 248 00:09:49,219 --> 00:09:49,299 Lee, 249 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:50,820 truly thank you. 250 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,440 I might 251 00:09:52,630 --> 00:09:54,340 print that out and have it 252 00:09:54,590 --> 00:09:56,919 framed somewhere where I can look at it. 253 00:09:57,309 --> 00:10:01,979 If that doesn't just encapsulate everything about what we do 254 00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:03,229 and the power of it. 255 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:04,580 It just, 256 00:10:04,619 --> 00:10:07,140 it makes my heart happy to read those words. 257 00:10:07,380 --> 00:10:09,250 So to each and every one of you, 258 00:10:09,859 --> 00:10:11,969 we're wrapping up our neutrality series. 259 00:10:12,580 --> 00:10:13,650 This is 260 00:10:14,219 --> 00:10:15,190 the importance 261 00:10:15,460 --> 00:10:16,760 of being with kids. 262 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:18,809 In in all of it, 263 00:10:19,159 --> 00:10:23,289 in the messy and the crazy and the confusing 264 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,840 and the exciting and the joy and the tears and the bloodshed and all of it. 265 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,419 There is such power 266 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,559 in being with kids and being CCPT. 267 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:34,739 I love y'all. 268 00:10:34,859 --> 00:10:35,659 We'll talk again soon. 269 00:10:35,859 --> 00:10:36,099 Bye. 270 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,039 Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. 271 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,109 Brenna Hicks. 272 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,239 For more episodes and resources, 273 00:10:43,359 --> 00:10:48,119 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