2025 NFL Week 5 NFC Preview

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're sick of coming up with funny starts to the show. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here, I'm in London, and we're gonna go through the NFC games like the AFC in like many weeks, it's in Valles.

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Speaker 2: Fewer games this.

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Speaker 1: Week on the NFC, but maybe the game of the week does have an NFC home game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of teams that won last week, The Denver Broncos at the Philadelphia Eagles were unbeaten, but you wouldn't know about listening to the teams covered. They are favored about three and a half. The over under Steve was forty three and a half points. Jim Nantz, Tony Rolo, Tracy Wolfson. It is the CBS one and they get to see a team that can beat anybody, a team that's really good.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about both of them there, but one of them.

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Speaker 3: It's like the sky is falling and they win every game.

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Speaker 5: O sky's falling a Philly Oh that's never happened. Wonderful fans, wonderful media media base. But this guy's not always fun.

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Speaker 4: Look.

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Speaker 5: I like the way Philadelphia is playing playing light champions but Denvers.

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Speaker 4: You start seeing them starting to ascend.

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Speaker 5: And watching bon Nicks, and you know, I'm a big BONICKX guy. The confidence he is starting to play with he's got just ain't going with Courtland Sutton. I like the way they run the ball, and I think bon Nicks is a part of it. I think they're gonna find some cracks in this Eagles defense. This is this is a really good game. There's three and a half number. I like the number of Phillies getting three and a half, but I think Denver's I think Denver's got some hot sauce.

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Speaker 4: For him here.

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Speaker 6: I like the way that they have only just recently started running the ball against that Cincinnati Fingals.

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Speaker 4: But I mean this is this is Sean Payton.

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Speaker 7: Yes, this is exactly it.

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Speaker 6: It's basically like you might as well just giving him a blank field to play on, and he's going to show you exactly what he wants to do.

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Speaker 7: And started out kind of rough that first quarter.

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Speaker 6: Made a couple of bad decisions, one a misthrow to Evan Ingram like goll of it too late, another one a bad interception, but then picked up a touchdown with his legs, which I think will be a factor in this game because it adds dimension to their run game. Steve and I also think that his connection with Courtland Sutton is really starting to like re emerge.

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Speaker 7: We saw it last year obviously, but he hit.

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Speaker 6: Him on this really really nice touchdown throw. And the problem for bo Nix and Courtland Sutton is that they are going to be facing quin Yon Mitchell, who was a real defensive player of the Week last week against Tampa Bay. Hit a couple of different assignments, but shadowed Emica Abuka for twenty two of Aguka's routes. According to next Gen Stats, was targeted six times, allowed only two catches for six yards. Was targeted nine total times by Baker Mayfield gave up no additional catches he played, including a great pass breakup to our getting Chris Godwin.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he is.

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Speaker 6: Playing lights out incredible defense. Cooper dejen is a great partner for him in that defensive backfield. They just they understand each other's spacing, They understand where each other is at all times, they move around, they change assignments.

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Speaker 7: It's a really cool thing to watch.

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Speaker 6: And I think that becomes kind of a nightmare for Bonix because he's targeting one receiver very often, going to tight end a little bit too.

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Speaker 7: But Courtland sentence, his guy, guess what Sean Payton's gonna do.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna throw the ball out of the backfield and he's gonna motion the hell out of the Eagles his personal packages. Hopefully he uses the Koli package. This is something he hasn't broken up, and the Coolie package. Dedication Archie Cooley, Missipi Valley State. They rans for Jerry Rice. It's not just a three by one. Three receivers by one on the opposite side. You're stacking them almost in a triple I one two three, one right behind the other behind the other. Sean Payton used it again, hits. His tribute is homage to Archie Cooley, the he Misissippi Valley State coach.

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Speaker 4: He's going to break that out.

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Speaker 5: There's a quick route, there's a deep route, there's another route off of it. This is how you stop at Quinnon Mitchell. You forced men a tackle in open space, which Quinyon Mitchell does. But he's gonna scheme them, personnel them, package them as best he can to avoid a great defensive player.

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Speaker 3: The way the circumstance worked out last week for the Eagles. With the Bucks having the injuries that they did, they were able to deploy quinnyon in a sense where you knew that it had to be Abuka right for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But the Broncos come in and while Sudden gets the vast majority of the targets and the opportunity.

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Speaker 4: They can spread the ball around a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: And they haven't had a game where they all put it together, like when bo Nicks was on against the Bengals, like as the game went on, Tony Franklin had excuse me, Detroit Franklin.

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Speaker 4: Had the drug right.

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Speaker 3: And then you get to points where Evan Ingram is, there's still like some inconsistency. They haven't quite figured out how to make that matchup work within this offense and have him get down the field. And have been running these go balls that we discussed all off season, and John Bayden was saying, you know, we're gonna get Evan Ingram down the field. He's going to be a vertical receiving threat along with the rest of this unit. And that's the scary thing for me for this Eagles matchup. He got it literally just picked the Eagles seconds ago when I sent my email where it's just the Broncos have had these spots where it's almost like when do those almost start to hit?

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Speaker 4: And how good can this team be?

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Speaker 3: I guess an Eagles team, Like we talked about Greg, you know, the sky is falling, but here in this situation, the Broncos may be able to put a little pressure on the sky in this.

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Speaker 1: One right well, they like, can the Eagles create pressure on Bonix? Because I don't really put much in the last week At this point, I think you can downgrade essentially any performance against this Bengals defense. And he was the worst quarterback in the league by the numbers against pressure in the first three weeks of the season. But the Eagles aren't really creating a lot of pressure right now. Jayly Sun has struggled for them, likesh U has given them a little bit, but they missed Nolan Smith. And for all the talk about the offense, and we will talk about AJ Brown's, you know, displeasure with the offense. Like the defense has been just fine this year. It's I think twelfth in Dvoa. Like it hasn't been at the level that it's been a year ago, and it's a great matchup of coaches between Vic Fanjo and Sean Payton.

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Speaker 2: It's a Vic Fangio revenge game.

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Speaker 1: These two have come up against each others plenty of times over the years. But look, it was Vic that helped take Patrick Surtan and it was one of the more shocking picks of that draft. Everyone thought they would take Justin Fields, everyone thought they would take Mac Jones, and they took Patrick Surtan. And they later that draft they took Quinn Miners in the third round. He's an All Pro. They took Jonathan Cooper, who might be one of the best seventh round picks of this decade.

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Speaker 2: So like Vic's.

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Speaker 1: Fingerprints are on this Broncos team, even though it seems so long ago in football years. I love that matchup when when Sean Payton has the ball because I don't think they will get a lot of pressure on both.

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Speaker 6: No and you can tell how out of his comfort zone Vic Fangio is with their pressure that they are deploying because he's blitzing more than he ever has.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you got to really be.

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Speaker 6: In dire straits for Vic for to get him to go outside of what he really wants to do, which is to rush for and cover a lot more behind. Like I it's interesting to me watching kind of like the old dog within the new tricks.

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Speaker 7: A little bit.

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Speaker 6: So this is gonna be a little bit different version of Vic Fangio than the Broncos are used to seeing.

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Speaker 7: That's a cool point.

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Speaker 6: About uh, Pat certain too, and just sort of a reminder of how quickly these these various like coaches timelines change and intersect with each other and the really great players.

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Speaker 7: Who continue on.

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Speaker 6: And this is gonna be fun because it's I mean, this is a better game for the Eagles to run against the Broncos, even though the Eagles are what not rush not running super well and they're only getting one point three yards before contact per rush, which is nineteen in the NFL, so they're not blocking it up well either overall. But so you want to run the ball. But I selfishly would really like to see DeVante Smith and aj Brown and Jalen Hurts throwing it around the yard, testing Pat Certain and Riley Moss who they win at so often early on, Jake Browning for whatever reason, throwing the ball, dropping back, throwing the ball the hell down the field, shot plays so often, and they tested at least that corner. Right now, You've got two receivers and one of them really wants the ball very badly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're going to see Philly, but not on the sideline like we see AJ Brown. I think you got to test the middle of the field against the Broncos if they want to have some success.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their offensive line has struggled this year. They are twenty second in the league in terms of run block win rate, twenty fifth and pass block winn. I think that's when it's been the biggest difference in this Broncos defense.

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Speaker 2: Will test them and maybe make Aj Yeah even more angry.

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Speaker 3: They've got thirty two quick quarterback pressures this year, do the Denver Broncos. But that's behind the number one team thirty nine quick quarterback pressures from Todd Bowles's Tampa Bay Buccaneer. So at the very least the Eagles have seen pressure. I don't want to say too much otherwise Nick Benito is going to be, you know, popping on posting clips.

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Speaker 4: From the podcast.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you, Nick, thanks for consuming all Greg Rosenthal content, which which is why we know Nick Benito knows ball because he, you know, consumes Greg Rosenthal's tweets.

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Speaker 2: I needed more of that.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah broke that news to me that that had was existing. I was curious why there were so many mentions. I mean, Nick Benito, he went from like the second best defensive player of the year and he might be better this year, so all the respect him that That was supposed to be a love letter to the Vikings defense. But little did I know, every defense looks like the best defense in the world.

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Speaker 5: Again, Jack Brewning, it's over, Jake, It's over with the Bengals offense. Come on, that's just Jake. Speaking of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: They are on the road after suffering their first loss of the season, all the way in c against Sam Darnold and the Seahawks, who were at home favored by three. The over under forty four and a half. God Kevin Harlan is on the call, t Green, Melanie Collins there for this matchup, and Greg. The Seahawks have oddly enough had trouble at home with Mike Matt Do they get it done against Baker and Bowls in the game.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this will be my pick. The Seahawks to win this game. I'm circling it for my picks with Cynthia against the spread. It's a little crazy to me that they're only three point favorites because I don't want to go like put it back to a decade ago. But I don't know if you guys remember the greatest dynasty of the twenty ten's was not the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 2: It was the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Remember winning the year end DVOA Championship. I believe four straight years at least three they were the year end number one, and now here they are back at number one. Like if you if you look at these two teams throughout this season, I would say the Seahawks have been one of the best teams in the NFL and the Bucks have been average and done a really good job being resourceful despite injuries and have been more of a two and two team. So at home with Darnold and having like the longer rest, that's an advantage for them too in this game, like it kind of should be a mismatch.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's disrespectful for the Bucks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, let's disrespect for the Bucks, because the Bucks do have something that Seattle's looking for and that's going into every game knowing that they're gonna win.

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Speaker 4: Right the Bucks, Now have you have that?

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Speaker 5: I hate the worst swagger, but they've got that attitude like you have to beat us, and I think that counts for something. I think that's why Baker is so good in clutch situations, and I think that's why they're you know, their players show up in the big moments.

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Speaker 4: But I do like Seattles game.

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Speaker 5: I like the way Seattle is running the football, like regardless of what defense they're playing. They've got a nice combination running backs. I think Charbon is going to be available for this game as well to goth Walker, so their offensive line is coming together. This Clint Kubiak stuff is starting to take hold, so we'll see. This is gonna be a really good game. I do like that three number. I don't think Seattle's you know, the points are pretty tall here too, so with these defenses, so this is gonna.

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Speaker 4: Be a really good game.

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Speaker 5: I like the Seahawks, but again, I think Tampa's got there. One of these teams who on three or four teams that expect to win every time they touch the field.

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Speaker 6: The Seahawks run game, to me, is an interesting case study in patients this year, for the entire coaching staff and for the players also, and start top to bottom. I'm not talking even about the head coaches, but all of the various assistants from you know, in every corner of that building, because they're not really efficient running the ball just yet. They're twenty first and rushing success rate, and they're only getting three point six yards per carry, and they're not blocking it the way that they necessarily want to just yet either, because their number twentieth in yards before contact per rush.

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Speaker 7: However, we could go and watch it, and I know that's what you refer to.

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Speaker 6: When you go and watch it, you see the theory behind what they are trying to do. And I am reminded, And sorry, Seahawks hand, I know you're gonna be annoyed by me saying this, but I am reminded by those early twenty twenty three Los Angeles Rams games when they changed their running game and they went into more of a gap and duo heavy team, and it was super inefficient for the first few weeks of the season, and then by week six, Week seven, week eight, it blew open. And now remains as one of them. And I think that's what the Seahawks have here. I really do think that. And obviously it's a different scheme. They run a lot of zone and all of that. They try to they're trying to hit the perimeter a little bit more because that's what Kubiak likes to do. But at the same time, I can see it. I can see that the theory is there. I don't know that this is the week that it all comes together, because Tampa Bay is one of the best run defenses in the entire NFL. But I love that they're staying patient with this, with this theory and this blueprint of what they're going to do, because I have no doubt they're going to be one of the best running teams come December.

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Speaker 5: But they hit when sometimes they have to hit, they hit right, and that's when you say you could see it, and that's that's what I see. Like, Okay, if it's third and four, they might they're gonna hit a thirteen to fourteen yard or again.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a tough defense.

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Speaker 5: But I like, I like some of the things that Seattle's doing At Jackson Smith and Jigba, we thought oh, he's the only guy they had.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's doing work. He's doing work in the basket game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's familiarity there because Clint Kubiak. I think the thing that people remember about one of those Bucks Saints games from last year is like Sean Tucker and Bucky Irving, Rashad White all going off right, and it was fifty one I think to twenty seven. But the Saints they turned the ball over two times in that game, They had three fumbles. They got a couple of them back, but there were signs that despite this shell of a team that Dennis Allen kind of facilitated, that there was something there. And we remember how it started, and I know folks are pointing to it's like, oh, that's the same coordinator. That this is not the same situation for Clint Kobiak in twenty twenty five. This is a fundamentally different situation, fundamental to the different head coach and defense on the other side, where there's a lot to believe in.

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Speaker 4: The Bucks are just so hurt. Yeah at this.

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Speaker 3: Point, ye to see Bucky Irving in a boot like saw crutches this week at some point, like, kudos to them for overcoming all that they have to beat three of one at this point. But this is this is a lot to ask to fly to Seattle and do this with this team.

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Speaker 4: Being this hurt.

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Speaker 6: Speaking of overcoming something, Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold trauma bonding. Baker Mayfield. One of my favorite bits of sound. Their buddies. They've remained buddies. They both overcame their time in Carolina. Apparently if you Baker Mayfield talk about it. And Baker Mayfield had maybe my favorite dry quote of the entire week.

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Speaker 3: You guys, reminisce about the good old days in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Reminisce about what days?

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Speaker 8: Carolyn?

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Speaker 4: Oh, nope, Now we don't.

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Speaker 6: Trauma bond the best kind of friendship, it's the deepest bond.

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Speaker 4: That's brevity. That's brevity making an impact right there. Baker.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, uh that Baker is the one like making more mental mistakes this year, leading the league by the way and turnover worthy plays, which I was kind of shocked to see he has. He has had a lot of like interceptions dropped and and I know we should move on from this game soon. But like the other side of the ball, is why I think the Seahawks are going to win. Like, yeah, the Seahawks offense is better and and it's good, and it'll be a good matchup against the Bucks defense. And I kind of like Seattle's offense right now. But the Seahawks I think have the best defense in the league. And they're going up against an offensive line with Charlie Heck and Haggard on the on the right side. And it helped quite a bit to have Tristan Worf's back. I mean it does upgrade two positions. He's back there at left tackle and and and now you have your center back with Graham Barton at his actual spot. But they're weak there, They're they're thin, and this is like the wrong team to go against when you have injuries on offense.

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Speaker 3: But we can celebrate another opportunity to discuss a throw of the Year candidate Baker Mayfield to a Mecca Buka uh the seeing eyeball, if we want to take a look back at that to just to submit for something to for people to think about the.

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Speaker 4: Field shotguns with the twenty four yard line play.

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Speaker 8: Actually, Bake rolling two is right by design, still rolling polls the ball downfield I gotta receiver.

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Speaker 6: But.

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Speaker 4: Five yard line chuck stop Tampa Bay. No cuarts on the field and they field close takes it away from Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I was waiting for that close up of it because the amount of concentration. You know, as as the creator of the Amica Boot Club, we all we all are members. I I the concentration to catch that. The placement of it was sick. Yeah that was that was super super fun. But yeah, Greg, he's taking some risks. He is the quarterback on the other side of the field, is actually the one who's number two in adjusted quarterback EPA, and he is coming in hot and heavy for the island.

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Speaker 5: In a couple of weeks, I got some for Patrick real Quick, who's books oc at Ohio State.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was a genius.

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Speaker 3: He was a genius and Grizzard is lucky that Chip has paved the road to show us that that Obcca Buka can be very successful playing football.

00:18:39
Speaker 4: There you go, thank him. I'm so glad he invented football in the mid two thousands. Great opportunity.

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Speaker 7: Make sure you catch the other show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I do love to be some Sam Donald the way he's playing right now. But I mean this that's a drop.

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Speaker 2: That's a drop. Eric. I think I think he's playing now.

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Speaker 1: They're protecteing him a little bit in terms of like there's not a lot of attempts per game. But he's not a play action play action merchant at all. If anything, their play action game has been bad. Like he's been better when they're not running play action. And the offensive line is just average, which is an upgrade from what Gino got to be fair, but like it's just average. Darnold's kind of making plays on his own.

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Speaker 4: The Gino comforting bike Ray is so special.

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Speaker 2: I now, Well, it's true.

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Speaker 1: All you ever wanted was an average offensive line. They're average. They're just like fine, that's like, okay, that's good.

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Speaker 4: Let's get to the next game.

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Speaker 3: The New York Giants, led by Jackson Dart, will have his first opportunity to start on the road. He's gonna have to do it in the five h four against the defeated generally New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 4: But they've been in every single game and they're a favorite at home by two and a half points. The over under is forty and a half.

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Speaker 3: Andrew cattle On, Charles Davis, Jase mccordy and aj Ross on the call. Is this the one Jordan that the Saints win their first game in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 7: I think they could. I really think they could. And but you know what, here's the thing.

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Speaker 6: This is the game featuring quarterbacks with maybe an irrational level of dip on their chip. Honestly, like they make a couple of plays that just have no regard for their own lives or anyone else around them, and they will continue to do so through the game. That both quarterbacks on the move is going to be a factor here. I really would like I don't know, Spencer Rattler if you listen to this show, but if you do, please start sliding more. You are going head first after almost every every you know option play. I just I you know, I winced every time I saw it last week. This will be a factor here. And it's interesting because this is going to be a tough defense and a tough matchup overall, because both of these teams play really hard, and I think people who have not watched the Saints this year will be surprised by how hard this Saints team is playing, despite the fact that their their win loss record does not show it.

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Speaker 4: Hey man, all I know is Charlie Browns, So I like, how to kick that football?

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Speaker 6: Too? Real?

00:20:59
Speaker 4: Hard to kick that football.

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Speaker 1: Look, that's why they gotta get They gotta get Spence to win this week. It is sad for me that in the eleven games, I think it is that he started that they have not won yet and he's running out of time. This is a game for both of these franchises that like the fan bases are like, oh, finally we get to win, Like Saints fans are like, oh, this is finally the week we get to win because we're not playing some great team that's a heavy favorite. And of course the Giants coming off that week against the Chargers are thinking the same way. And I do fear for the rat Maan that, like, if they don't win this, it might be the end of the road, even though he's played really well, and it would just I would just be my heart would break a little bit for him that he would have to sit back down without getting to feel what.

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Speaker 2: It's like to win a freaking football game. Shouldn't be there all.

00:21:52
Speaker 5: This nation's coming across that state line to support Jackson dard Is. They put another l on another Louisiana team back to back weeks, not just.

00:22:02
Speaker 1: Oh not back to back, back to back to back, the true barrass my two lanes, Green, Wayne shot the bottom the also receiving votes.

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Speaker 4: I just think the Giants defensive front, oh it's sex.

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Speaker 5: I just think this is one. Spencer Rattler, Alan Kamara do your thing. But I think the Giants defense is going to be too good in this one. You know, we could talk about these quarterbacks and this and that. This is one to me is playing as simple. The Giants defense is going to make play.

00:22:29
Speaker 1: Well and the Saints defense won't be good because like the Brandon Staley sons I was trying to throw out there when we went to camp down there, it's not happening like that.

00:22:38
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they've underperformed there.

00:22:40
Speaker 1: You know, their defense provides very little resistance on average. They've had a tough schedule, but they just don't have a pass rush and he doesn't seem to have answers well.

00:22:48
Speaker 5: And look, you've got dudes wh've been there for a long time, and Brandy comes in and he overloads and those dudes are like, yo, man, we had great defenses here for years before you came in here with a whole lot of the stuff.

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Speaker 4: You're trying to let us do what we do. And that's why it hasn't translated. But the Giants d they are the front gets after the front absolutely does.

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Speaker 3: The front gets after it, and we can celebrate the best performance the front of the Giants twenty twenty five season, Martin Hampton average ten point seven yards of carry.

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Speaker 4: That's true. Like whenever he got the ball in space, he was able to make plays.

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Speaker 3: Like when Herbert was able to get the ball in the air to Quentin Johnston, he caught a ball between two defenders and scored a touchdown. This Giants team continues to allow players to hit home runs against them, and that's that's the Saints bread and butter. Like you get Rashid shah head on a couple where it's like, how confident are we really considering what we've seen the Saints team be up against this far in the season, Like that Jackson Dart is going to go in there to New Orleans and be dancing in the end zone, like running these RPOs.

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Speaker 4: And having all the success they had against the Chargers. I think they just got the Chargers in a bad spot.

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Speaker 6: And I have to tell you this guy. You know there are the Saints if you go and you watch them from snap to snap too, there are players everywhere on that team that are emerging and they're they're making plays like Kendrey Miller twelve forced miss tackles over the first few games. I'm willing to bet most of them came last week against the Bill's defense. Nobody could bring him down, nobody could touch him, and getting him used in a lot of different ways, putting him in space, getting him on these yards after catch, like quick outlet throws, having him run the ball like this, he might have something. And so I think that that becomes a layer here, especially if you're trying to protect Spencer Ratler from Abdul Carter, who's playing everywhere outside linebacker. He's playing a little inside linebacker. He's blitzing as a as a like creeping defender. Eight pressures, five hits, and that was just last week. I mean, it's it's insane to be doing that much, to have that many roles as a rookie. Now I know everyone's getting not us because we know ball, but everyone it's gonna sit there and be.

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Speaker 7: Like, oh, he doesn't have a lot of sacks.

00:24:57
Speaker 6: So look at the other look at you, but look at the pressures, Like look at the he in nineteen pressures already.

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Speaker 5: Tibodeau and these guys are actually showing up on the box score. And that's because they have somebody else distracting, you know, the attention.

00:25:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dexter Lawrence, I thought played his best game, even taking away the interception, Like he's starting to create pressure. It's a good defense. It's I don't think there's gonna be a lot of points. I think if you're a Jackson Dart fan, you just got to be worried, like this pace is a little unsustainable. He took five sacks. I think all five were on him, just like holding the ball too long. It carried the ball twelve He carried the ball twelve times if you you know, include the penalty plays and you know he's got the play where he's like, you know, pushing down the defender like in the face.

00:25:41
Speaker 2: But it gets you fired up. But he took some big hits in that game.

00:25:44
Speaker 1: Like if he gets hit seventeen times a game, he will not be long for the starting lineup. We are not long for our week. Five preview. We've only got a few more games and we're going to hit them after this final break.

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00:26:05
Speaker 1: And Yes, I arrived in London Monday evening and had an experience going through the Dublin Airport I never had before. I was in the middle of the entire Minnesota Vikings organization going through security, just Jalen Naylor right in front of me having to get his bags checked like a normal person.

00:26:24
Speaker 2: I guess you can't like.

00:26:26
Speaker 1: Escape security overseas like and just fly private and just skip all that because they're their entire group where we're doing the same thing as me, buying overpriced uh you know stuff leprechauns in the gift store, Like right as we got through.

00:26:40
Speaker 4: Wow, man, you're you're you're like nailing some stereotypes. Stare Gray.

00:26:45
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just telling you exactly what was happening.

00:26:48
Speaker 1: I literally was in the gift store buying the stuffed leprechaun and the Minnesota Vikings players were doing the same thing.

00:26:54
Speaker 2: My son wanted one. Sorry, they're gonna sell it, I'm gonna buy it.

00:26:59
Speaker 4: And that's what we we consume, and we go through customs and we go with the Vike.

00:27:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of us are accustomed to picking teams that lose every single week, as I did for the Carolina Panthers last week.

00:27:10
Speaker 4: But this week might be different.

00:27:12
Speaker 3: They are at home taking on the Miami Dolphins, who are one and a half point favorite. I love the single, I love the one there at all times. Eric Collins, Mark Schlaire, Jen Hale on the call. The Dolphins, of course, lose Tyreek Hill for the remainder of the season. There's questions about twenty twenty six Greg, which Panthers team makes an appearance here in this game on Sunday.

00:27:36
Speaker 1: I think the twenty twenty five Carolina Panthers, which are they're bad? There was that like one team that showed up for the Falcons game, and even in that game, they didn't crack three hundred yards. They had the same yard it was. It was a little bit of a fluky game and they won it and they deserve it. One of these teams, though, Steve, will be two and three. And even if I wanted to go ahead and power rank the teams and put them each in the bottom five, the reality is one of these teams after this week will be two and three.

00:28:08
Speaker 2: And I think that's an it's an exciting opportunity.

00:28:11
Speaker 1: If you're the fans of one of these teams or the quarterbacks of the coach, like, you're gonna feel pretty decent.

00:28:16
Speaker 2: There's some decent teams out there that'll be two and three.

00:28:18
Speaker 4: Wait to sell it, Gray, well done. I mean, I just mean it.

00:28:21
Speaker 1: I mean I got opportunity this whole AFC East, NFC South though, yeah, combination this year, some stinky teams are going to be winning some games.

00:28:29
Speaker 5: I'm real interested because Miami's defense was still poorest they would get We saw the Jets just go up and down the field. I mean, Carolina has got offensively the potential to move the ball. I don't know if they can get into the end zone. But getting Darren Waller back really intrigues me for the Dolphins. No Tyreek Hill. Jalen Waddles got the speed close to Tyreek Kill, but he's not a deep threat the way that they're used. So the Dolphins don't have the guy who can necessarily take the top off the defense, but they can paper cut you all over the place. And I think Darren Waller from what he showed in a few plays he played the other day could end up being an option for what Tua does.

00:29:08
Speaker 6: Well.

00:29:09
Speaker 5: I like Miami to outscore Carolina. There's no defense is in this game, I mean still Carolina.

00:29:15
Speaker 6: Yeah, because Carolina is running the ball okay, and they look, you know, relatively physical while they're doing it. And while Miami's defense can rush the passer, I still see no signs to be able to stop the run. And so that's where I think Carolina has to try to capitalize and attack this week. On the other side of it, I mean, I'm really excited to see if Miami keeps looking like Miami offensively, whatever that sad thing was that was out there earlier this season, Like Tua looked more confident than I've seen him maybe in years throw And I loved the game plan. Darren Waller's like renaissance, I guess if it sustains two touchdowns, And then was on the hands team for the on side kick recovery when the Jets were trying to mount a comeback.

00:29:59
Speaker 7: But I I really liked the scheme.

00:30:01
Speaker 6: I liked that they ran the ball and they kept when they kept running the ball, and he had over one hundred scrimmage yards, got to ninety nine rushing yards and wasn't even close to that number in rushing yards any other point in this season.

00:30:12
Speaker 7: And Tua was looking like all of the little.

00:30:16
Speaker 6: Things he does that makes him a really good quarterback, where he can execute, he move the launch point, he can do some of those ball fakes, including one sick one behind the back, and that was so cool, where he can change wherever the defense's eyes are going to be, just with these little movements and these little cadences. And then what Mike McDaniel got back to doing, which is what he was doing when he first started coaching this team and scheming guys up on this team, was getting guys free releases off the line of scrimmage, making defenders play with dirty eyes, as coaches like to say, where you're flowing one way and then everything else is going the other way, or the receiver is already blown by you because you're playing a little too tight, and he is coming off the line of scrimmage and changing space and gaps on you via these motions. And I think I would actually trust a little bit more the Panthers run game, which I know has been bad, the Panthers run defense, which I know has been bad against a Miami run attack that has been start stopped this entire year and only just barely is starting again. I would trust their secondary less, even without Tyreek Hill. I would trust their secondary way less to be able to handle and adjust to all of the things that Mike McDaniel's going to try to do and two is going to try to do to.

00:31:31
Speaker 7: Full their eyes.

00:31:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, after rushing for seventy eight and sixty one yards in the first two games of the season, and granted it's up against the Bills and the Jets, whose run defenses have allowed other teams to go they went for one thirty one twenty three. I think that was the difference in the Dolphins offense, especially on Monday Night, where the misdirections, the fakes being able to have to have Tom to throw it behind the back pass and celebrate cool like the vobs are up because they're moving the ball there being some sss.

00:32:00
Speaker 6: Well.

00:32:00
Speaker 4: I feel like that's where the confidence comes from.

00:32:03
Speaker 3: And what better opportunity to get confidence in the run game than playing against the Carolina Panthers if they can actually commit to it. If you don't exactly get distracted by the opportunity to take shots down the field and just have sustained commitment to the run game, where everybody that's played against the Panthers that's done that has been able to win going away.

00:32:24
Speaker 1: When it doesn't happen, oh man, they're eating when they throw the ball to that they might have the worst like middle of the field.

00:32:30
Speaker 7: Ye ever, And that's and that's what I'm saying.

00:32:32
Speaker 2: It's bad all around.

00:32:33
Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying.

00:32:33
Speaker 6: Greg is like, I trust no phase of this defense, but I trust I actually against this particular type of passing attack. I actually trust the Panthers passing defense less than I trust their running defense. And I already don't trust their running defense.

00:32:49
Speaker 4: How the hell did they shut the Falcons out? It's just their.

00:32:54
Speaker 1: Linebacker in Carolina are so bad. The Dolphins offense, I think everyone just remembers that Week one. They've been fine this year, and they haven't been good, but they've been fine. Like they they went up and down on the Patriots, they did okay against the Bill, like they've been okay.

00:33:08
Speaker 2: They've had a very easy schedule.

00:33:09
Speaker 1: They're kind of getting away with it on the offensive line because of the matchups, Like they're starting Cole strange. Still, the former Patriots pick Larry Boram is their right tackle. Their their rookie second round pick who they took high has really been struggling. So I'm not really feeling either of these teams long term, but I'm feeling the Dolphins on Sunday.

00:33:27
Speaker 7: I hardly know him.

00:33:29
Speaker 4: M Okay, that's a good one.

00:33:31
Speaker 6: I know.

00:33:32
Speaker 4: I do not apologize for that. That was spectacular. We'll get to.

00:33:37
Speaker 3: Coach Callahan's Tennessee Titans also a one and a half point favorite. No, excuse me, that's it. That's just a holdover because I was shocked seven and a half point favorites. I see, yeah, it's the other one point five carried from fins. But either way, seven and a half point favorites of the Arizona Cardinals at home against the Tennessee titanspirator is that of Marcholetta and.

00:34:01
Speaker 4: The dB Kinkwalla on the call and Coach Callahan.

00:34:06
Speaker 3: Before we get to the discussion of it, had an opportunity to answer some questions because the seat may be getting hot.

00:34:12
Speaker 4: I want everybody to get a chance to listen.

00:34:16
Speaker 5: Do you think this is a resilient and relentless football team?

00:34:20
Speaker 8: I know what you're doing. Air Paul, I know what you're doing, and I'm not going to answer that to you right now. Well, I mean, those are the things that you've tried to twenty.

00:34:28
Speaker 4: Some games in it.

00:34:29
Speaker 5: I stop.

00:34:31
Speaker 8: I'm just compose myself here before I say something I regret. But yes, I think this team is resilient. I think it is relentless. We haven't played good enough football, and I think there's two Those are two very distinct different things we have to execute at a better level with the coach better.

00:34:45
Speaker 4: And that's really all I can say. Greg. It is October. First, your thoughts, oh, I.

00:34:53
Speaker 2: Have Okay, I have a couple of thoughts.

00:34:54
Speaker 1: First of all, I should have mentioned, like Dave Canalis was also asked this week whether they would be changing their staff, whether they would be looking at organizational changes.

00:35:02
Speaker 2: It is not a good sign when that's happening.

00:35:04
Speaker 1: But I especially wanted to point that clip out because it's something that happens in the tenure of every Titans coach, and that's the moment where you let everyone know how much you hate Paul Kuhart.

00:35:18
Speaker 2: There it is, there, it is Mike Raymond.

00:35:21
Speaker 1: Many of those moments Mike malarkey Man, he had those moments. Ken Wizenheut, you might not even remember, was the Titans coach and had a record I think might have been worse than Brian Callahan, who's three and eighteen and he did not last long. I feel bad because I was like Ken Wizner. Mike Munchak definitely had a couple of those moments. Jeff Fisher had those moments. So it is a rite of passage, and you know, I hope that Brian Callahan can can get past it because it's it's always Paul Kaharski on the other line, and they always say Paul, they always call him by his first name.

00:35:56
Speaker 2: That's my tick.

00:35:58
Speaker 4: Look, it's I'm not mean. I'm not mean. I'll put it to you this way.

00:36:04
Speaker 2: I'm not It's all good, all around.

00:36:09
Speaker 7: Thousands of time I wrote.

00:36:12
Speaker 5: I wrote Paul Kaharski down here and showed it to Jeorde because it is.

00:36:17
Speaker 4: It is a rite of passage, you know, because Paul is a tough reporter.

00:36:20
Speaker 5: He's seen a lot of bad football, so he's got every right, uh to to go and ask these types of questions. Report the way he reports. Look, I don't know what the Titans. Necessarily, the goal clearly is to win. They've got a quarterback and cam Ward who they think can do it. But what else have they put together? Like I just kind of want to know what they're trying to roster wise, everything, what they're trying to do, because it's it's just not great. Now, is this a game that they can possibly go when you don't, Yeah, they could. I mean, I think Arizona's a better football team, but they still haven't figured out, like we talked about Tampa Bay, that when they show up on the field that they should They're a hot.

00:37:00
Speaker 4: And cold team.

00:37:03
Speaker 5: So maybe Tennessee pulls something off and they get Paul caw Harsky off the coach's back for a bit.

00:37:08
Speaker 4: I just didn't know.

00:37:09
Speaker 5: I just don't know roster wise, I just don't know what it is. What's like you talk about looking for an identity. I think they're like a year away from being a year away from looking for an identity.

00:37:20
Speaker 6: I think it'll actually be kind of hard for Arizona to move the ball on this Titans defense, which isn't like you know, I wouldn't put them. I put them kind of in the middle, lower third of the NFL, but they have put together some quality snaps and then Arizona can't really run the ball anymore because they're already missing James Connor, and then Trey Benson is out too, and he might come back later on in the season, but that's that's their heart and soul, both guys. I mean James Connor certainly, and then Trey Benson is is a pretty quality backup to him as well. And there are still errors and issues between Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison Junior. I know you had the redemption touchdown in a really couple of really nice plays, but there's also been a lot of really bad plays between the two. And this Cardinals offense feels like a team that thinks it's supposed to be this one thing because everybody on the outside is telling them they have to be the wide receiver one and then everybody else's team.

00:38:12
Speaker 7: But really what it is is get the ball to Tray.

00:38:14
Speaker 6: McBride and then burn people down the field with whoever else from time to time so that the defense respects the middle of the field. That's what they are and they should just go to do that. So I think that that's where Arizona is having issues. My major takeaway though from all of this and listening to some of the quotes out of the press conferences from Tennessee over the last several days, is what I really wish someone would have done is ask Brian Callahan do you agree that we ask?

00:38:45
Speaker 4: I think he would agree with me.

00:38:47
Speaker 3: I mean that would be a more ass that would be a more constructive question, because like to make to do the callback thing, like, yeah, I do understand what Brian Callan is saying.

00:38:56
Speaker 4: There, I see what you're trying to do.

00:38:58
Speaker 3: But it's like, what we learning from this other than we're having this itchy interaction right now between you and me? What's what's the value when you know a lot of people work very hard to get in that room and you've been there for a while. But that doesn't justify wasting everybody's time. Although we did spend we did spend time on it today on our show, so perhaps that's that's a lesson for me. But cam war has been pressured on his dropbacks, that's nuts. But now he's going up against the team with the tenth lowest sack rate in the league in the Arizona Cardinals, and the way that the second half started on Thursday with Sweat coming off the edge and getting pressure on Sam Darnold, and it's like, yeah, that's it. But they haven't been able to consistently do that while Cam has been consistently under siege in his first season. Was first few games in his first season, and like we get the you know, the honesty from him at the podium and hopefully things get better.

00:39:57
Speaker 4: There's a reason why teams have the first overall pick. Choose you because they're terrible.

00:40:03
Speaker 2: I just want them to, Like Steve, I feel like they could they could get sparks for for like one game. Could they just win one game?

00:40:11
Speaker 1: Like this is one of those games, because if the Cardinals win this game, they might not play that well and they would be like a very underwhelming three and two. I think this could be one game that they could do it because you mentioned like missing the running backs, and the Cardinals are thirty first and success rate with those running backs. I think for all the Harrison stuff, like everything that's wrong with this team starts there, Like they just don't make sense if they're that bad of a running titan.

00:40:37
Speaker 2: Really throwing it short. Yeah, they missed Clayton Adams.

00:40:40
Speaker 1: I just would like to see these guys the Titans get get one win, get everyone off the Schneid, get Spencer Ratler a win, Get you guys home from the studio in Los Angeles.

00:40:51
Speaker 2: That was it for our week five preview. We've already made it two Week five.

00:40:58
Speaker 1: We will be back in this feed and not too long with the Thursday night recaps. Guys night on Thursday Night Football, it's Patrick claybo Oh, that's never happened.

00:41:11
Speaker 2: It's uh yeah, it's a good quint. Just someone I just I just melt like dude, dudes with muscles. That doesn't usually happens. The Cardinals, that doesn't happen either. It's Rams and Niners. We'll see you then