Toto's "Toto IV" (1982): Track by Track

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<v Speaker 2>This week we are going track by track through Toto four.
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that brings us to Toto four. We're gonna
<v Speaker 2>kind of jump in. If you guys missed the history
<v Speaker 2>of Toto leading up to Total four, check us out
<v Speaker 2>what we did last week. We brought you right to
<v Speaker 2>this point. We covered some of the cool stories behind
<v Speaker 2>the band, how they got together, hold the line, all
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that got us to this point. This album
<v Speaker 2>d came out April eighth, nineteen eighty two. It is
<v Speaker 2>turning forty years old in April.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that is nuts. So can you think of the
<v Speaker 3>time in like nineteen eighty three where you've gone over
<v Speaker 3>to Hastings Music or whatever and you're flipping through the
<v Speaker 3>album covers and all of a sudden you see this
<v Speaker 3>red sword with rings around it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what is this?
<v Speaker 4>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Man?
<v Speaker 2>There was a Peaches Records and Tapes in Tulsa, Oklahoma
<v Speaker 2>that was my go to right, and yeah, flipping through
<v Speaker 2>the albums. Thriller was my first cassette tape. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 2>I think I had this on record.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I had the LP on this one
<v Speaker 3>as well. So the art on the front it's a
<v Speaker 3>double edged sword with four rings, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So their first album, Toto, also had that double edged sword.
<v Speaker 3>Album art was by a guy named Philip Garris who
<v Speaker 3>had done a lot of the Grateful Dead album covers.
<v Speaker 3>It's supposed to be the sword of Danil Cleaves they're
<v Speaker 3>holding above his head. Anyway, I don't need to get
<v Speaker 3>into all that anyway, it's a throwback to that, just
<v Speaker 3>like they're going back to their old style of recording
<v Speaker 3>and polished music. They're going back to that first album
<v Speaker 3>idea of the double edged sword, only this time they've
<v Speaker 3>got four rings because it's their fourth album, and each
<v Speaker 3>of the rings is a little more worn, a little
<v Speaker 3>more rough, and it's time to say, all right, here
<v Speaker 3>it is, guys, this is one ring to rule them all.
<v Speaker 2>Nice. So we talked before about how the record company
<v Speaker 2>came to them and said, listen, guys, you had one
<v Speaker 2>really good album, you had two stinkers. This has got
<v Speaker 2>a hit, or we're dropping you. So we need you,
<v Speaker 2>guys to concentrate on making something we can freaking play
<v Speaker 2>on the radio. Let's go. And here is their response.
<v Speaker 2>And Toto four, released in nineteen eighty two, had some
<v Speaker 2>of the biggest songs of the nineteen eighties.
<v Speaker 3>And what's interesting, it's what's going on after this. Right
<v Speaker 3>as the album has come out, Bobby Kimball is facing
<v Speaker 3>charges for dealing drugs right like he's looking at potentially
<v Speaker 3>going to prison. The guys hold off on their tour
<v Speaker 3>for this album because they've been asked by Michael Jackson
<v Speaker 3>to perform on the Thriller album.
<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating and all of.
<v Speaker 3>A sudden, these songs start to be released, and they
<v Speaker 3>are huge successes, and some of them at a complete
<v Speaker 3>shock to the band.
<v Speaker 2>And they're also competing with themself on the chart, right
<v Speaker 2>because Thriller also came out nineteen eighty two November of
<v Speaker 2>that year, and so just here's a freaking tsunami.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, biggest album of all time.
<v Speaker 2>Arguably, right, Yeah, but these guys.
<v Speaker 3>Performed on both of them. And one of the songs
<v Speaker 3>that we're going to talk about a little bit later
<v Speaker 3>on has been downloaded one point one billion times. So
<v Speaker 3>let me just let me put that in perspective. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>Let's say that you had a song that was downloaded
<v Speaker 3>one hundred million times, you'd be like, I'm a complete success. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>these guys did that times eleventh incredible downloads didn't even
<v Speaker 3>exist at the time of this song, I mean downloaded,
<v Speaker 3>It's true, didn't happen until the mid two thousands, right,
<v Speaker 3>and now it has been downloaded one point one billion times.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about that here in just a little bit,
<v Speaker 2>are we ready to jump in track? Let's up in
<v Speaker 2>track by track. We're starting off with what Steve Lucather
<v Speaker 2>calls the Totoist Toto Song of all Toto songs.
<v Speaker 3>I gotta jump in immediately. Let me just say this
<v Speaker 3>to start off, all right, Okay, so David Page wrote
<v Speaker 3>this first song called Rosanna. There's a story behind it.
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about the story real quick.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Steve Paccaro is dating, not seriously, but dating. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this girl you might have heard of called Rosanna Arquette.
<v Speaker 3>Who's that girl?
<v Speaker 2>I knew her first from Disperately Sinking Susan, But she's
<v Speaker 2>been in pulp fiction, She's been in the whole nine yards,
<v Speaker 2>She's been in a million things, and she's gorgeous and
<v Speaker 2>a Hollywood movie star.
<v Speaker 3>Are you talking about that girl with all the interface? No,
<v Speaker 3>that's Jody, that's my wife. That was not her best look,
<v Speaker 3>but she is a very beautiful lady.
<v Speaker 2>That was not her best look.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So Rosanna Arquette is sort of dating one of
<v Speaker 3>the guys. They all are totally enamored of her because
<v Speaker 3>she's hot, and so at some point David Page is like, Hey,
<v Speaker 3>that's a great name. I'm gonna put it as the
<v Speaker 3>chorus to this song that I've been working on, right, right,
<v Speaker 3>So he writes the song.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>In writing credits, both he and Jeff Pacaro get writing credits.
<v Speaker 3>But I think the way David perceives it is Jeff
<v Speaker 3>was totally involved. And these guys are so great about
<v Speaker 3>complimenting each other. I mean, they love on each other hard,
<v Speaker 3>and they've known each other since there were kids, so
<v Speaker 3>they didn't screw with each other because they'd know what
<v Speaker 3>was going on, right yep. But he says Jeff really
<v Speaker 3>was inspiration, like he'd throw them a line and it
<v Speaker 3>would like balloon up into some other full verse or
<v Speaker 3>something like that. But when David has written it, he
<v Speaker 3>comes to Jeff and he's like, listen, what I really
<v Speaker 3>want on the drums on this one. I mean he's
<v Speaker 3>talking to Jeff right, the freaking arguably best drummer of
<v Speaker 3>the eighties, right yes, And he's like, Jeff, what I
<v Speaker 3>want on the drums on this one is kind of
<v Speaker 3>a bow didly you know, Louisiana style drumbeat that dunda
<v Speaker 3>dunda dun dun dun dun dundu. And Jeff is like, Okay, well,
<v Speaker 3>what do you think about this? And at the point
<v Speaker 3>that David hears these drums, he's like, Okay, we'll go
<v Speaker 3>with what you've got.
<v Speaker 2>Then it's fantastic. So our buddy James Buckley hit me
<v Speaker 2>up on this about a month ago. He's like, this
<v Speaker 2>is the party shuffle, and I don't know anything about drumming.
<v Speaker 2>I know nothing about drumming, right, so when we dive
<v Speaker 2>into this, I'm like, oh, okay, So apparently this is
<v Speaker 2>a very difficult thing to pull off.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, the halftime shuffle groove is a drum pattern that
<v Speaker 3>was originally created by Bernard Party and he called it
<v Speaker 3>the party shuffle, right. So but what Jeff Pacaro did
<v Speaker 3>is he took that and he blended that shuffle with
<v Speaker 3>a John Bottom groove that you can hear on led
<v Speaker 3>Zeppelin's Fool in the Rain. And then adding in what
<v Speaker 3>David Page had done, He's got a backbeat sound like
<v Speaker 3>the drum beat, the Louisiana bo Diddley style drum beat.
<v Speaker 3>And so it's a combination of like three different styles
<v Speaker 3>of drumming that is absolutely magical, unmistakable. As soon as
<v Speaker 3>you hear it, you're ready to start singing.
<v Speaker 5>Rosanna, you went to wake up in the morning, see
<v Speaker 5>you not that?
<v Speaker 1>Good luck you you good?
<v Speaker 5>Have a cab for me.
<v Speaker 2>You're ready to date, Rosanna Arquette. So this song reached
<v Speaker 2>number two on the charts and it stayed there for
<v Speaker 2>five weeks. It was bested by two songs at different weeks, right,
<v Speaker 2>so like one moved out, another one moved in, and
<v Speaker 2>Rosanna never made it to number one. The ones that
<v Speaker 2>were at the top of the chart that blocked Rosanna
<v Speaker 2>from the number one spot.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Don't You Want Me by the Human League, Oh well, yeah,
<v Speaker 6>it's a huge eighties song.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And then maybe the biggest song of nineteen eighty two
<v Speaker 2>by The Tiger by.
<v Speaker 3>Survivor, Oh wow.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but a huge success nonetheless. By the way, Rosanna
<v Speaker 2>was the first song written for this album. Hmm. And
<v Speaker 2>when they wrote it, they're like, this is a huge
<v Speaker 2>hit right off the bat, and Luca their said it
<v Speaker 2>set the bar for the album. Everybody had to bring
<v Speaker 2>their best stuff because Gosha, this is our first one
<v Speaker 2>out of the gate. We're onto something.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. This song is so intricate and so complicated and
<v Speaker 3>so full of amazing music. And when he starts the
<v Speaker 3>verse normal songs, you're like, you're gonna play three four
<v Speaker 3>chords maybe five before you start repeating. So in the
<v Speaker 3>verse the chords go g F nine E minor seven,
<v Speaker 3>g C, F E flat D minor seven. It's like
<v Speaker 3>there's eight chords without ever repeating a pattern. Would it is.
<v Speaker 3>It's really fascinating what they do kind of in the
<v Speaker 3>middle of that first verse, and you can hear it
<v Speaker 3>as the music changes. It like modulates the g F
<v Speaker 3>nine and E minor seven match up with the F
<v Speaker 3>E flat and D minor seven, but it's modulated up.
<v Speaker 7>I didn't know.
<v Speaker 2>It sounds complicated to.
<v Speaker 3>Me, okay, and then it comes in with some amazing bit.
<v Speaker 3>This is like a do woppie kind of I mean,
<v Speaker 3>we talked about the Louisiana sound and the Bo Diddley style,
<v Speaker 3>but then they come in with this do Woppi. You
<v Speaker 3>can see the guys standing around the trash can and
<v Speaker 3>Rocky snapping their fingers and singing the do WOPSNG got
<v Speaker 3>this amazing friend of musical styles all within the first
<v Speaker 3>verse and chorus of the song.
<v Speaker 2>Total creates great choruses. They're so hooky that all the
<v Speaker 2>musical stuff has lost on me. I just know how
<v Speaker 2>I love how they sing and sound. When they hit
<v Speaker 2>the chorus right, you can tell that there's a different
<v Speaker 2>voice almost you're listening to the guy singing and you're like, oh, whoa,
<v Speaker 2>he just jumped up really high. Well, that's because it's
<v Speaker 2>two different guys singing, right.
<v Speaker 8>Right, Steve Lucather is singing the first part, and then
<v Speaker 8>Bobby Kimball is coming in and doing that second higher part,
<v Speaker 8>and then David Page.
<v Speaker 3>Steve and Bobby are all over dubbing with their backing vocals,
<v Speaker 3>which is given it that barbershop quartet style backs on
<v Speaker 3>the chorus, which is just amazingly beautiful. But then you've
<v Speaker 3>got you got horns.
<v Speaker 4>They met.
<v Speaker 3>Got horns. You've got Okay, So we mentioned in our
<v Speaker 3>last episode Lenny Casters on this one right, he's doing
<v Speaker 3>the congos. He is their other drummer, right, brilliant percussionist
<v Speaker 3>and they involved in all of their albums. But in
<v Speaker 3>addition to that, they've got Gary Grant, Jeremy Hay and
<v Speaker 3>Jim Horn on trumpets and saxophones. You know we talk
<v Speaker 3>about double masking. They did that with the horns, so
<v Speaker 3>what you get is actually five horns.
<v Speaker 2>It's so full, it's amazing.
<v Speaker 3>And just an incredible song. I could go on and on,
<v Speaker 3>but I won't.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, before we talk about the video, which is amazing
<v Speaker 2>in its own right. Yeah, they have an impromptu jam
<v Speaker 2>session at the end of this song where Jeff Briccarr
<v Speaker 2>just kind of kept drumming, and so Page jumps in
<v Speaker 2>with the piano and Lukether follows, and you have this
<v Speaker 2>kind of funky jam session.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of fun yep, I like it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's a total breakdown and it's amazing. This is a
<v Speaker 3>eighties banger right out of the gate. Okay. Now you
<v Speaker 3>and I have had long and in depth conversations about
<v Speaker 3>a very interesting and little known fact about this it.
<v Speaker 2>We're ready to go toe to toe on this.
<v Speaker 3>Well, let's have it.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's the deal. Everyone listening in the video, pause
<v Speaker 2>the podcast, go watch the video, come right back. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So in the video, you have this West Side Story
<v Speaker 2>type of thing going on. Okay, and you've got this dancer,
<v Speaker 2>beautiful woman, Cynthia Rhodes. Yes, she's been in Dirty Dancing
<v Speaker 2>and the movie Runaway with Tom Sellick. She was in
<v Speaker 2>Staying Alive, which Sylvester Saloon saw her in this video
<v Speaker 2>and hired her from that nice which is kind of cool.
<v Speaker 2>And she's doing her thing. She's beautiful. She is starting
<v Speaker 2>to interact with these other dancers, like these rival gangs.
<v Speaker 2>According to Entertainment Weekly and IMDb and IMDb, one of
<v Speaker 2>the other dancers is Patrick Swayzey.
<v Speaker 3>Nobody puts Bady in the corner, right.
<v Speaker 2>But you're not going for it. I'm not going for it,
<v Speaker 2>even though clearly there's Internet corroboration here.
<v Speaker 3>There's lots of Internet corroboration. And I am disagreeing with
<v Speaker 3>the internets. Okay, I know how easy it is to
<v Speaker 3>throw some rumor out there and have people jump on
<v Speaker 3>the bandwagon, because what a juicy piece of information it
<v Speaker 3>is that the other actor, this actor that I say,
<v Speaker 3>is not really in there.
<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating. I look at it. I'm like, yeah, that's him.
<v Speaker 2>Clearly it is not him.
<v Speaker 3>It is a guy who has a similar haircut and
<v Speaker 3>a similar eyebrow formation. That's about it. That's about it.
<v Speaker 3>There's no way that this guy is Patrick swayze.
<v Speaker 2>All Right, Twitter World and Facebook world, watch this video.
<v Speaker 2>Where do you come down? Are you team Swayzey with Jason?
<v Speaker 2>Are you anti team Swayze with d.
<v Speaker 3>I realized that the internets is against me, But if
<v Speaker 3>you look at this guy's ear lobes, you look at
<v Speaker 3>his jawline, you look at his lips. It's not Patrick Swayzey,
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. It is a guy that looks like Patrick Swayzee,
<v Speaker 3>but it's not him.
<v Speaker 2>I was really looking for that gold nugget that was
<v Speaker 2>going to solidify that, and it's elusive.
<v Speaker 3>It is elusive. Now, I will say this, The most
<v Speaker 3>convincing thing that you told me is that Cynthia Rhode
<v Speaker 3>said something about this. She didn't say it super clearly.
<v Speaker 3>She didn't say Patrick was in the video with me,
<v Speaker 3>but she did kind of hint that that was a possibility.
<v Speaker 2>She said that she had worked with Patrick Swayze previously
<v Speaker 2>in a dancing type of situation.
<v Speaker 3>Right, which could have been this or could have been
<v Speaker 3>one hundred thousand other dancing things that are out there.
<v Speaker 2>That's true.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, So Shirley fans tell us which one of
<v Speaker 3>us is right? Is it Patrick Swayzee? Is it not
<v Speaker 3>Patrick Swayzee? You decide.
<v Speaker 2>We hit our buddy James Buckley about this, and he
<v Speaker 2>was like, he looks like, I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you ear lobes, jawline, lips. No, it's all different,
<v Speaker 3>all right, real quick. Yeah, this song is about Rosanna
<v Speaker 3>Arquette vaguely right, right. So it's interesting because to hear
<v Speaker 3>Steve Pakar, the guy who was supposed to be dating her,
<v Speaker 3>he was like, you know, every one of us liked it.
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't even acting like he was the man. Right, I'm
<v Speaker 3>dating Rosanna arquet but I'm not the man. But he was.
<v Speaker 3>He's very humble about it. He's like, I think we
<v Speaker 3>all just kind of fell in love with her. She
<v Speaker 3>denied it for years, right, She denied that she was
<v Speaker 3>the Rosanna of the Rosanna song until like five years ago.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, the funny part is that she got tired
<v Speaker 2>of everybody coming up to her going Rosanne and that
<v Speaker 2>would get old, right, right, get sick of that. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>she then has said yeah, it's her.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And what's interesting is she was also the inspiration
<v Speaker 3>for another song.
<v Speaker 2>That song is Peter Gabriel's in your Eyes, Oh my.
<v Speaker 5>Head.
<v Speaker 2>You still haven't seen say anything.
<v Speaker 3>I still haven't seen any but I know that song,
<v Speaker 3>I know in your Eye.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>But what kind of awesome life have you led? That
<v Speaker 3>You've been in a movie as a look alike for
<v Speaker 3>Madonna and you have two gigantic hit songs written about.
<v Speaker 2>You all right, are we done with Rosanna? I hate
<v Speaker 2>to be done with this song before we leave. Rosanna
<v Speaker 2>d this one Record of the Year at the Grammys
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty three. Of course, Toto four one Album
<v Speaker 2>of the Year, and just kind of as a side note,
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was funny. Toto has seven songs on
<v Speaker 2>their first seven albums that has a woman's name. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's right, Angela, Lorraine, Eleanor Rosanna, Carmen, Leah, and Pamela.
<v Speaker 3>So I think that you can kind of tell from
<v Speaker 3>the lineup of the track listing what songs these guys
<v Speaker 3>thought were gonna be hits. Because we leave first single
<v Speaker 3>and we come to another single that they released called
<v Speaker 3>make Believe.
<v Speaker 1>Bottoming.
<v Speaker 8>I love again.
<v Speaker 2>Dude, this is a great song.
<v Speaker 3>I gotta tell you. I was not super familiar with
<v Speaker 3>this song when we started doing this, and when this
<v Speaker 3>thing came on, I was like, I love it. I
<v Speaker 3>love this song. And this was a single. I was
<v Speaker 3>like six or seven years old at the time this
<v Speaker 3>is coming out, so this wasn't probably in my radar
<v Speaker 3>at the time. But now listening to it now, it's great.
<v Speaker 3>It's got to me. It's got kind of a Billy
<v Speaker 3>Vera at this moment feel to it, but a little snappier,
<v Speaker 3>a little more peppy, and it's just beautiful. But is
<v Speaker 3>a rollback to that kind of fifties style of rockers.
<v Speaker 2>So I was young when this song came out, too.
<v Speaker 2>I listened to it for the podcast. I was like,
<v Speaker 2>that was buried in my brain somewhere and I had
<v Speaker 2>I was with my mom at the grocery store in
<v Speaker 2>the car or something, and it was like discovering, like
<v Speaker 2>I've forgotten treasure.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 2>I love it, So I love it when that happens,
<v Speaker 2>there's a great song. David Page wrote This one reached
<v Speaker 2>number thirty on the Hot one hundred. It actually was
<v Speaker 2>featured in Grand Theft, Auto Vice City Stories video game Wow,
<v Speaker 2>which that blew me away right right. Apparently there's a
<v Speaker 2>radio station that plays the song while you're doing whatever
<v Speaker 2>you're doing in that video game.
<v Speaker 7>So, okay, how about that.
<v Speaker 3>I love it, and I love the whole idea behind it.
<v Speaker 3>Like they've broken up, things are over, but sure do
<v Speaker 3>you kind of miss yet? I'm saying I want to
<v Speaker 3>get back, but maybe we can just pretend that we're
<v Speaker 3>in love.
<v Speaker 2>It's such a guy right, it's like a guys song.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, how about tonight.
<v Speaker 2>We just kind of forget we broke up? Yeah, just
<v Speaker 2>for tonight. I love it. It's fun, it's upbeat, it's romantic.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Could you see this in an eighties rom com?
<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure? Yeah? Oh for sure?
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't it fit?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you're hidden memory. This is a new treasure
<v Speaker 3>for me. This is like me listening to Pyromania for
<v Speaker 3>the first time. I'm like, I'm so glad that I'm
<v Speaker 3>listening to this. And you know, we talked earlier this
<v Speaker 3>week about that idea of albums and how it doesn't
<v Speaker 3>happen anymore. People don't buy albums anymore, right, And the
<v Speaker 3>idea that back in the eighties or seventies or whatever,
<v Speaker 3>when you spent your hard earned nine dollars and ninety
<v Speaker 3>nine cents on an album, if you didn't love it
<v Speaker 3>right off the bat, you listen to it again, and
<v Speaker 3>you kept listening to it until you found a way
<v Speaker 3>to make it a part of your life. Right, Make
<v Speaker 3>those songs mean something to you. They were like an
<v Speaker 3>acquired taste, like a fine wine. Sure. That's the great
<v Speaker 3>thing I love about doing this podcast with you is
<v Speaker 3>that we get to go back and revisit these things,
<v Speaker 3>and I can find those things that maybe I didn't
<v Speaker 3>appreciate at the time and really get to enjoy them.
<v Speaker 3>Unlike today where if you don't love the song the
<v Speaker 3>first time you hear it, you don't ever have to
<v Speaker 3>listen to it again because you didn't spend any money
<v Speaker 3>on it. That's listened to it on Spotify or Pandora
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. You hit the skip button and you moved on.
<v Speaker 3>This is one of those songs that maybe I skipped
<v Speaker 3>the first time, but now that I've gone to revisit it,
<v Speaker 3>I love it.
<v Speaker 2>It's another reason to subscribe to our podcast. We're leading
<v Speaker 2>you through each song.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very good, very good. And speaking of that, let
<v Speaker 3>us jump into number three, another single off the album,
<v Speaker 3>I Won't Hold You Back. Try not to during this scene.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to talk during this song. I don't
<v Speaker 3>want to let this song keep playing right. It's gorgeous, amazing,
<v Speaker 3>And again it's another one of those ones that I
<v Speaker 3>missed because like, okay, maybe Frank here, when I was
<v Speaker 3>in the backseat of a car with the girl, the
<v Speaker 3>song that was on the radio was better. Roses by
<v Speaker 3>Bonjo okay, that was your go to This was the nineties, right,
<v Speaker 3>that was I was driving in the nineties, right. My
<v Speaker 3>brother is older than I am, and this song was
<v Speaker 3>released when was the what was the release date on
<v Speaker 3>this March of eighty three? March of eighty three, so
<v Speaker 3>that's three months before he gets his driver's license. When
<v Speaker 3>we started talking about this one, I'm like, hey, by
<v Speaker 3>the way, we're going to talk about Toto and Total
<v Speaker 3>four and Duran Duran And we start talking about it
<v Speaker 3>and he says, this is what he says to me.
<v Speaker 3>He goes listening to make Believe right now, very tight,
<v Speaker 3>but has that overproduced clinicals? And I'm like, okay, fair enough,
<v Speaker 3>these guys were definitely very produced. And then he says,
<v Speaker 3>this is a beautiful line. All these songs are panty droppers.
<v Speaker 3>And in parentheses, he says, thinking about Bell Park now,
<v Speaker 3>which is the local park where you would if you're
<v Speaker 3>gonna go make out with a girl and didn't want
<v Speaker 3>the cops banging on your window, you go over to
<v Speaker 3>Bell Park. And he says, now, I'm laughing thinking about
<v Speaker 3>a dude telling a girl you know, I can't hold
<v Speaker 3>you back. Now, that's a good game.
<v Speaker 2>This is a beautiful song.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, from the time that he said that, every
<v Speaker 3>time I hear it, I'm thinking, I can just imagine
<v Speaker 3>being in the back seat with the girl right now.
<v Speaker 2>This reach number one on the Adult Contemporary chart, which
<v Speaker 2>was Toto's first number one until later on the next year.
<v Speaker 3>Right, can't get to that. We'll get to that.
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get to that one.
<v Speaker 3>I wonder, I wonder how many babies were made to
<v Speaker 3>this song? How baby making music?
<v Speaker 2>A lot?
<v Speaker 3>So freaking good. So Steve Lucather wrote this song. This
<v Speaker 3>is the first one that he wrote for this album. Right,
<v Speaker 3>he wrote and sings yeah, yes, And he's got a
<v Speaker 3>great voice. I mean, the man is a master of
<v Speaker 3>the guitar. But this is his beautifully sung song. So
<v Speaker 3>he's written this song and they're like, dude, Steve, this
<v Speaker 3>is great. We are gonna put this on the album.
<v Speaker 3>So so he's got it, and he's got no bridge,
<v Speaker 3>and they, you know, they call him, they're like, okay, hey,
<v Speaker 3>come on over. You know we're gonna do that song today.
<v Speaker 3>We just need to put your bridge in there. And
<v Speaker 3>he's like, crap, I don't have a bridge, right, And
<v Speaker 3>so he gets there. He gives himself about three minutes
<v Speaker 3>at the piano and he's like, Okay, here's the bridge, right,
<v Speaker 3>And this is what kind of musical genius he is.
<v Speaker 3>The bridge is not easy. I mean, this is complicated
<v Speaker 3>chords and it's what goes on underneath his guitar solo.
<v Speaker 3>So you've got these I mean, listen to the music, hard, beautiful,
<v Speaker 3>and he totally plays it off like all right, guys,
<v Speaker 3>here it is. This is what I need you to do. Wow,
<v Speaker 3>like he'd had it the whole time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that guitar solo it just kind of mirrors
<v Speaker 2>the tune. And this week I sent you ate one
<v Speaker 2>of those reaction videos oh yeah, which you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>kind of funny because you know, these are people are like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>I'm listening to this song for the first time. Check
<v Speaker 2>me out. And so I sent you once from the
<v Speaker 2>Jay Show. I want to give her a shout out.
<v Speaker 2>She plays about thirty seconds of it, she pauses it,
<v Speaker 2>she goes, oh Lord, Jesus held me. Okay. She continues
<v Speaker 2>to play, and all she does the rest of the
<v Speaker 2>song is cry. It's just I mean, she's not balling,
<v Speaker 2>but the tears are just flowing. Because if you listen
<v Speaker 2>to song if you've ever been in love and the
<v Speaker 2>love has been unrequited, or you've lost it, something happened
<v Speaker 2>that ended that, and but you still have feelings for
<v Speaker 2>this person. This song will tear your heart in half.
<v Speaker 2>Yes it will, Yes, it will so beautiful. A couple
<v Speaker 2>of things for you on this one. Okay, So you
<v Speaker 2>know who does the strings on this one? Tell me
<v Speaker 2>James Newton Howard. Oh yeah, okay, right. This was one
<v Speaker 2>of a couple of songs where they went to London,
<v Speaker 2>got the Symphony behind it. That's when you get a
<v Speaker 2>little extra heart tug with the symphony.
<v Speaker 3>Sure.
<v Speaker 2>You also have Timothy B. Schmidt, who was the basis
<v Speaker 2>for the Eagles yep, singing on the chorus you can
<v Speaker 2>hear in clear as day yep. Steve Perry of Journey
<v Speaker 2>called Steve Lucather and said, I just want you to
<v Speaker 2>know your song got me through a breakup with my girlfriend.
<v Speaker 4>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>Pretty cool, right, Yeah, I got one more thing for you.
<v Speaker 2>This song is so beautiful. How in the world are
<v Speaker 2>there nine songs better? Okay? Right, listen to this murderer's
<v Speaker 2>row of nine songs better than this?
<v Speaker 3>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>March seventh, nineteen eighty three, so it tops out at
<v Speaker 2>number ten, Wow, okay, okay. Number nine, Little Red Corvette done.
<v Speaker 2>Number eight, mister Roboto, Sure. Number seven, she blinded me
<v Speaker 2>with science.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Number six overkill? Wow, number five, der commissar okay. Number four,
<v Speaker 2>come on, Eileen, Oh my god. Number three, let's dance, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Number two Jeopardy, oh yeah? And number one beat it.
<v Speaker 3>Of course.
<v Speaker 2>That is a murderer's row of eighties hits right there.
<v Speaker 3>It's yeah. I'd listened to that on repeat all day
<v Speaker 3>long for sure. By the way, you mentioned James Newton.
<v Speaker 3>Howard did the orchestral arrangements and was the conductor for
<v Speaker 3>this one. Also on this track, another person who did
<v Speaker 3>orchestral arrangements, mister Marty Page, David's dad.
<v Speaker 5>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Marty Page used to call it David Page Pagage. The
<v Speaker 2>guys in the band thought that was hilarious.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's great.
<v Speaker 2>Isn't your last name? Page? All right? Are we done
<v Speaker 2>with this one?
<v Speaker 3>I hate to be done with this beautiful, beautiful song.
<v Speaker 7>It's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>This is going in the this is going in the
<v Speaker 2>Makeout list of eighty three. Absolutely, we need to get
<v Speaker 2>on Spotify and create our makeout list.
<v Speaker 9>We do.
<v Speaker 3>David Wright's going to do it for us. He's taking
<v Speaker 3>the cue right now.
<v Speaker 2>He's already on Spotify today on Challenge. Okay, now we're
<v Speaker 2>moving on to a song called Good for You, another
<v Speaker 2>great piano rocker. It's fun, absolutely this song.
<v Speaker 3>When I heard this song, I immediately thought I want
<v Speaker 3>to be watching an eighties montage of some kind, like
<v Speaker 3>the montage of the guy, you know, Daniel Larusso's trying
<v Speaker 3>to get the girl something like that. That's the montage
<v Speaker 3>that I need to be, that kind of victorious trumpet
<v Speaker 3>that's behind it. I yeah, I could be good for you.
<v Speaker 3>You could be good for me too. Let's make this
<v Speaker 3>thing happen.
<v Speaker 7>This is a fun song.
<v Speaker 2>This one could have been a single in my opinion.
<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely yeah, especially in the eighties. I mean yeah yeah.
<v Speaker 3>If I Have the Tiger is a number one song
<v Speaker 3>in this time period, then this absolutely could have been
<v Speaker 3>a top ten hit for sure.
<v Speaker 2>This song was written by Steve Lugetter and Bobby Kimball.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I think the vocals are great on this one. I
<v Speaker 2>watched the video and David Page is playing two separate keyboards,
<v Speaker 2>you know, one hand on one one hand, on the
<v Speaker 2>other it.
<v Speaker 3>Just I'm like, wow, screams the eighties, right. So Roger
<v Speaker 3>Lynn did the synthesizer programming on this one. You've got
<v Speaker 3>a very we can tell this is synthesizer music, but man,
<v Speaker 3>it's so good. And then we have another Pakaro brother
<v Speaker 3>who comes in on this song. Mike Piccaro plays the
<v Speaker 3>cello on a song. Okay, yeah, he hadn't become a
<v Speaker 3>part of the band.
<v Speaker 2>Yet, right. Well, soon as David Hungate checked his head
<v Speaker 2>set against the wall, I can't take this anymore.
<v Speaker 3>I'm out of here.
<v Speaker 2>They're like, well, I guess Mike Akaro is our new
<v Speaker 2>bass player.
<v Speaker 3>There you go. As we mentioned, Timothy B. Schmidt is
<v Speaker 3>doing backing vocals on this one as well.
<v Speaker 7>This is after the Eagles broke up.
<v Speaker 2>He wouldn't do anything right, waiting for hell to freeze over,
<v Speaker 2>right right, which it did eventually it did in ninety four.
<v Speaker 2>One of the things on this song at the very end,
<v Speaker 2>there's like a great guitar outro. Yeah, it's like, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know what it is about. There's like an unwritten
<v Speaker 2>rule in the band. They're like, okay, when you want
<v Speaker 2>to fiddle around and go for it. Wait till the
<v Speaker 2>last thirty seconds as we're fading out. Okay, we done
<v Speaker 2>with this one.
<v Speaker 3>Yep. Time to move on.
<v Speaker 2>Moving on to the last song on side one. It's
<v Speaker 2>called It's a Feeling. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>The beginning of this song kind of makes me feel
<v Speaker 3>like a stage musical it happened, okay, and then once
<v Speaker 3>they get into it, it's got I'm gonna say, like
<v Speaker 3>an elo kind of feeling about it. It's a more
<v Speaker 3>serious tone song, yeah, and I mean it's about a
<v Speaker 3>guy who's suspicious that somebody's fooling around on him. Right.
<v Speaker 3>It's not my favorite.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, See this one, I get Miami vice or moonlighting
<v Speaker 2>type of feel. You know, Crockett walking around the city,
<v Speaker 2>he got tub shot. He's feeling bad right right right see,
<v Speaker 2>or he found his girlfriend cheating or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>This one was sung and written by Steve Mcaro. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's jazzy. I like it, but it's not my favorite
<v Speaker 2>on the album, right, Okay, Moving on, Moving on, it's
<v Speaker 2>dobbing tab Layer Kick it out. Flip it over side
<v Speaker 2>two of Total four with a song called Afraid of Love.
<v Speaker 3>All right. We start off this one with a solid
<v Speaker 3>crunchy guitar. I'm digging it. I don't like the lyrics.
<v Speaker 3>They're flat. It's just there's nothing there. And then the
<v Speaker 3>melody of the chorus. This is going to be a
<v Speaker 3>skip skipper for me.
<v Speaker 2>No, you're way wrong on this one.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, You're way wrong. This is so The lyrics
<v Speaker 3>in this are so generic. I mean, I like the
<v Speaker 3>way you moved and just the way you are. I
<v Speaker 3>can't take anymore because girl, you're pushing too hard. This
<v Speaker 3>is by Paige and Luca thur. We got guys who
<v Speaker 3>wrote the Kilimanjaro and Serengetti into their song. I'm not
<v Speaker 3>writing something that's like a kid in high school wrote.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I like the music, but allow me to rebut
<v Speaker 2>goo ahead. This would have been the lead single if
<v Speaker 2>this song had been on Turnback or Hydra Yea.
<v Speaker 3>It's because this album sucked, That's.
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying.
<v Speaker 4>Though.
<v Speaker 2>The reason why this song didn't get released as a
<v Speaker 2>single is because you had Africa and Rosanna and I
<v Speaker 2>Won't Hold You Back all those other ones in front
<v Speaker 2>of it. This could have been a hit.
<v Speaker 4>Sain Goal.
<v Speaker 2>This should have been on the American Anthem or Vision
<v Speaker 2>Quest soundtrack This is a very eighty song. It sounds
<v Speaker 2>like Journey to me.
<v Speaker 3>I like, yeah, we're we're in disagreement on this one. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>all right, we done with this one? Yeah, all right, ready, yes, okay,
<v Speaker 3>groovy piano to start this baby out. Yeah yeah, and
<v Speaker 3>then the verse it's good. Yeah, you hit that chorus
<v Speaker 3>and I'm Michael Winner. We have a winner here. This
<v Speaker 3>is fantastic chorus. I love the I dig it. I
<v Speaker 3>love this song. This was another surprise for me that
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, dang, this is good.
<v Speaker 2>It's good. I think you can tell that they're trying
<v Speaker 2>to write hit songs because every song has kind of
<v Speaker 2>that on cheat upbeat feel to it.
<v Speaker 3>And this one is familiar. I can't tell where that
<v Speaker 3>chorus is familiar to me, but it's familiar. Whatever it is.
<v Speaker 3>Count me in.
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love it. Great song, great song. And you
<v Speaker 3>know again, maybe this one's also about resent arcade. You
<v Speaker 3>wish you had her.
<v Speaker 7>It's possible, you should make you cry, shall make you high.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're done with others in the night. Let's move
<v Speaker 3>on to the third song on side two. We made it. Okay, Now,
<v Speaker 3>this piano intro makes me think of the Muppets, Like
<v Speaker 3>I can imagine them walking down the Saxon Man with this.
<v Speaker 3>But then it comes in with with what maybe one
<v Speaker 3>of the best first lines in all all of music
<v Speaker 3>writing history, are you.
<v Speaker 2>Ready to okay?
<v Speaker 3>Bad time for love? You caught me on your birthday.
<v Speaker 3>I could feel your heart break into one hundred pieces.
<v Speaker 3>So he is screwing around with another girl on his
<v Speaker 3>girl's birthday. Oh, set the stage. That is.
<v Speaker 2>The good news is though we made it, well.
<v Speaker 3>We can make it again. How about it? I like
<v Speaker 3>this one.
<v Speaker 2>I love that that Luca the guitar screech.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he's he's working it, yeah he is. And this
<v Speaker 3>is this is not one that was a single, Nope,
<v Speaker 3>but it's this is a good song. It's a good song.
<v Speaker 2>All these songs are like infectious. There are toe tappers
<v Speaker 2>right well, and once again they're trying to write hits.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so we're working our way down the list,
<v Speaker 3>right yep. Well, I think that the songs that they
<v Speaker 3>thought were probably not the best songs they're saving for
<v Speaker 3>the last, right.
<v Speaker 2>This is insane to me.
<v Speaker 3>So we got second to last song on the whole
<v Speaker 3>album called Waiting for Your Love, Don't go However, this
<v Speaker 3>song was actually released as a single.
<v Speaker 2>This was the fifth single released in June of eighty three.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who was in charge of that decision,
<v Speaker 3>but you're freaking fired. Okay. Now, I'm sure that there
<v Speaker 3>are a lot of people who love the song. Probably
<v Speaker 3>it's catchy, it's eighties, you know, it's it sounds like
<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson Off the Wall, which these guys were completely
<v Speaker 3>involved with.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that you said that, because to my ear,
<v Speaker 2>it's totally Baby Be Mine from Thriller.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, which I think I even described when
<v Speaker 3>we talked about Baby Be Mine, when we talked about Thriller,
<v Speaker 3>I said, I think this one belongs on Off the Wall.
<v Speaker 3>This is not Yeah, this is not a thrill song.
<v Speaker 3>This isn't Off the Wall song. And it's dancy. And
<v Speaker 3>can we talk about the video?
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the video.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even know that the video existed for this thing.
<v Speaker 3>And all I can say is it's an eighties dance club.
<v Speaker 3>You got eighties hair, you got eighties shoulder pads, you
<v Speaker 3>got eighties dancing going.
<v Speaker 2>On like line dancing. Yeah, And for some.
<v Speaker 3>Reason they thought it would be appropriate that the band
<v Speaker 3>be completely covered in their own sweat. What is going
<v Speaker 3>on if the guys all look like they're coked out
<v Speaker 3>of their minds and like that. There it's one hundred
<v Speaker 3>degrees inside of the Well Club.
<v Speaker 2>Every woman in the dance club has no bra on.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not complaining about that. That is not a
<v Speaker 3>problem for me. But I mean, Bobby Kimble up on stage.
<v Speaker 3>The guy is not a slim, trim guy. He's got
<v Speaker 3>the porn stash from the seventies and he and every
<v Speaker 3>other member of the band are sweaty on this one. God,
<v Speaker 3>there's Jeff Roat for Cordously.
<v Speaker 2>I've got those huge, you.
<v Speaker 3>Know, child molester glasses on.
<v Speaker 2>You have got to watch this video if you have
<v Speaker 2>not seen, Oh.
<v Speaker 3>My goodness, it is of a little bit of eighties
<v Speaker 3>joy all.
<v Speaker 2>At the same time, Hey, I gotta give a little
<v Speaker 2>bit of credit to Bobby Kimble because he really goes
<v Speaker 2>for it lyrically on this. This was his song, right,
<v Speaker 2>So Bobby Kimball wrote this song in the seventies, okay,
<v Speaker 2>And it sounds like it kind of stayed in the
<v Speaker 2>seventies to me, But I don't know. The video is
<v Speaker 2>so good, it's so yeah, atrociously bad. It's marvelous.
<v Speaker 3>It is you will you will enjoy your time watching this,
<v Speaker 3>reliving the moments that you're glad you don't have from
<v Speaker 3>the eighties anymore. A lot of really great stuff happened
<v Speaker 3>in the eighties, and this video represents not that stuff,
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that was more appropriately left behind.
<v Speaker 2>All right, are we finally there?
<v Speaker 3>We could do an entire podcast series on the song
<v Speaker 3>that's about to come up? Are you ready? Shirley fans.
<v Speaker 2>One of the best songs of the nineteen.
<v Speaker 3>Eighties, one of the best songs of all.
<v Speaker 2>Time, songs called Africa.
<v Speaker 3>The beat is undistakeable, it's incredible. So for this song
<v Speaker 3>they had Sony come in and help program the keyboards
<v Speaker 3>that Steve Percaro is playing right, okay, so the marimbas
<v Speaker 3>that you hear are that Sony programmed keyboard marimba sound.
<v Speaker 3>Before they even get there, they say, we got to
<v Speaker 3>have this perfect beat. So they record an entire taite
<v Speaker 3>of just Jeff Oiicaro and Lenny Castro play in the
<v Speaker 3>drums over and over, same drum beat, over and over
<v Speaker 3>and over and over and over and over. Right, and
<v Speaker 3>once they've done it for a full tape, whatever that
<v Speaker 3>might be. They take one measure. They listen to it
<v Speaker 3>all and they find the one measure that's perfect, and
<v Speaker 3>they put that on.
<v Speaker 2>Look, that's the one right there, this one right here.
<v Speaker 3>This one right here. And now keep in mind this
<v Speaker 3>is for computer recording. So when we say on loop,
<v Speaker 3>that means that they took the tape. They took that
<v Speaker 3>one measure, cut the tape out, then put it on
<v Speaker 3>the tape recorder, ran it around a MIC's stand, around
<v Speaker 3>a chair, around another mic stand, and onto the next
<v Speaker 3>part of the recorder, so that the tape would just
<v Speaker 3>rotate in a circle. And that is the way that
<v Speaker 3>you have this perfectly synchronized, incredible drum sound for the
<v Speaker 3>entire song.
<v Speaker 2>Once they got that loop that they liked, David Page
<v Speaker 2>and Jeff Piccaro laid down the drums and the pianos
<v Speaker 2>one take, one take.
<v Speaker 3>But they build off of it, you know. They this
<v Speaker 3>is a pyramid song, and it is starting with the drums,
<v Speaker 3>and then we're introducing the keyboards, and then we're introducing
<v Speaker 3>the vocals, and it just builds and builds and builds
<v Speaker 3>into this amazing collection of music.
<v Speaker 2>Hey boy, let's wait.
<v Speaker 3>And let's talk about how the song was conceived. Right, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>so David Page wrote this song about Africa. Yes, you'd
<v Speaker 3>never been to Africa, never been there, went years like
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it was like twenty first century before
<v Speaker 3>he ultimately got to go to Africa, right, And they're like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>this is such a wonderful song. When did you come
<v Speaker 3>to Africa? And he's like, actually, this is my first time.
<v Speaker 3>How's everybody doing good to see it?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I mean he went to a Catholic school and he
<v Speaker 2>had learned about missionaries, yeah, and had a subscription and
<v Speaker 2>National Geographic.
<v Speaker 3>You guys can remember in the eighties when the UNISEF
<v Speaker 3>commercials would come on and they would tell you these
<v Speaker 3>children in Africa need your help. Right. Well, he talked
<v Speaker 3>about how when he was a kid, those missionaries would
<v Speaker 3>come and talk to it at his school and they
<v Speaker 3>would talk about how they blessed everything, which I don't
<v Speaker 3>really understand. It may be a difference between a Catholic
<v Speaker 3>and Protestant thing. But they would bless food, they would
<v Speaker 3>bless experiences, and when it rained, they would bless the rain.
<v Speaker 3>And that's how you get that line, Oh I bless
<v Speaker 3>the rain down in Africa. But man, it's a fantastic line.
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't matter. It sounds so wonderful.
<v Speaker 3>Okay. So in addition to this concept of blessing things,
<v Speaker 3>one of the other things that the missionaries talked about
<v Speaker 3>was the difficulties. And obviously difficulties of seeing people in
<v Speaker 3>these deprived conditions was a huge thing. But the other
<v Speaker 3>thing that was difficult for them was being alone and
<v Speaker 3>celibate out there. And so this song is about a
<v Speaker 3>guy who's waiting for a girl to arrive to meet her. Right, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>her plane is coming in right and he's twelve thirty
<v Speaker 3>flightlight ready to meet her. And so that's the underlying
<v Speaker 3>story of the song. And he meets a man to
<v Speaker 3>get some more music, and then the man is like,
<v Speaker 3>it's waiting there for you. And then we jump into
<v Speaker 3>this course and just before the chorus comes on, I
<v Speaker 3>gotta say this. We love this course and it seems simple,
<v Speaker 3>but listen to it this way, all right. The first
<v Speaker 3>line I blessed the grains down in Africa is it's
<v Speaker 3>a very simple melody. Right when that second line comes in,
<v Speaker 3>you add a second harmony behind it, different notes, and
<v Speaker 3>you can hear it. You can hear the distinct notes
<v Speaker 3>that the two people are saying the same words different notes.
<v Speaker 3>And then the third we add get a third layer
<v Speaker 3>of different notes which are extremely complicated. You go from
<v Speaker 3>simple to complicated over these three lines. And the magic
<v Speaker 3>when you have that two part harmony behind the very
<v Speaker 3>simple underlying chorus and melody is is magical. I mean magical.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, listen. David Page said God gave this to him.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about how there are some songs that are
<v Speaker 2>divinely inspired. Yeah, I think Jonathan Kane on the Journey
<v Speaker 2>Frontier's album Heads Faithfully, he felt like that God gave
<v Speaker 2>that directly to him. Yes, David Page is the same
<v Speaker 2>way God inspired. He says, I'm talented, but I'm not
<v Speaker 2>that talented. God gave this to me. Now, then keep
<v Speaker 2>in mind, particularly after hearing the song Waiting for Your Love,
<v Speaker 2>Steve Lucather said, this is the worst song on the album. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>if this is a hit, I'll run naked down Hollywood Boulevard.
<v Speaker 3>So what they would say to each other whenever they
<v Speaker 3>didn't want a song on the album is they would say,
<v Speaker 3>maybe you should save this for your solo. That is
<v Speaker 3>exactly what they said to David Page about this song.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you should save this for you Steve's solo album. David, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I cannot believe it.
<v Speaker 2>It's shocking.
<v Speaker 3>Talk about not knowing your own stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Now. Steve Piccaro didn't like this song either. I saw
<v Speaker 2>an interview with him. He said David Page was really
<v Speaker 2>into it, and their agreement was, when you have a song,
<v Speaker 2>we're going one hundred percent for you, because when I
<v Speaker 2>bring a song, I want everybody in on my And
<v Speaker 2>so they said that doesn't mean we didn't kill ourselves
<v Speaker 2>in this song, but nobody believed in it right.
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting. These guys do not bad talk to each other.
<v Speaker 3>I have never in all of the interviews that I've heard,
<v Speaker 3>I have never heard one of them say one bad
<v Speaker 3>thing about another member of the band. Even if they're
<v Speaker 3>not getting along and they're separated. It is those guys
<v Speaker 3>are amazing musicians. And whether it was my song and
<v Speaker 3>they didn't like it, they still brought one hundred percent.
<v Speaker 3>And if it was their song and I didn't like it,
<v Speaker 3>I still brought one hundred percent. We did our absolute
<v Speaker 3>best on every single song. Like it or hate it.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about Hungry like the Wolf next week. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>these are some of the best pop songs of the eighties.
<v Speaker 3>Right, at some point we mentioned that they've delayed touring
<v Speaker 3>and they went and worked on Thriller for this before
<v Speaker 3>they started touring. In this one, right at some point
<v Speaker 3>when they come back. This is kind of like the
<v Speaker 3>run DMC story that we talked about with Walk this Way.
<v Speaker 3>They come back and David Page gets a call and
<v Speaker 3>they're like, man, they are playing the heck out of
<v Speaker 3>your song at all of these dance clubs. Thinking Rosanna,
<v Speaker 3>He's thinking make believe you know one of the right,
<v Speaker 3>It's like, what song? And then they're like Africa and
<v Speaker 3>he said really, yeah, he couldn't believe it. And then
<v Speaker 3>Africa gets released as a single and it is their
<v Speaker 3>only number one hit.
<v Speaker 2>So it's the third single. It's released October of nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty two. It's their first and only song to hit
<v Speaker 2>number one on the Hot one hundred. Let's talk about
<v Speaker 2>the video for a second, Okay, So the video is
<v Speaker 2>sort of Raiders of the Lost arkish. He's looking through
<v Speaker 2>some books, sure in the library, he's wearing that pith hat.
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you, Raiders the Lost Ark was impactful at
<v Speaker 2>this time because hungry, like the wolf of that video
<v Speaker 2>is definitely impacted by ras.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, and then they're all kind of miniaturized. They're
<v Speaker 2>on a stack of books.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they said that the stage was really weird. It was. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>they painted it all to look like they're standing on
<v Speaker 3>top of these books, and it looks like he's looking
<v Speaker 3>for a map or something in the library.
<v Speaker 2>He's got a torn paper and he's looking through the
<v Speaker 2>book and it's like the biggest dog ear, not very mysterious.
<v Speaker 3>And then you get you've got this African American lady
<v Speaker 3>as the librarian, and then suddenly there's a spear being
<v Speaker 3>from I wouldn't say that this video would not pass
<v Speaker 3>muster at in the day's world, right, I'm just I
<v Speaker 3>don't think it would. So you've got David Page singing,
<v Speaker 3>and then also he's singing the first part, and then
<v Speaker 3>of course Bobby Kimball comes in with the second part,
<v Speaker 3>and can we talk just a second about his freestyling
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the song. Ye, holy cow, it's amazing.
<v Speaker 3>I talked about that build that they have on the chorus,
<v Speaker 3>and then when he throws in that freestyle. Let's listen
<v Speaker 3>to it now, I'm stealing your info here. That's okay,
<v Speaker 3>because we talk, we talk, and this is so I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna steal you. Said that Bobby Kimball has an amazing voice,
<v Speaker 3>but just not all the time, right, And so if
<v Speaker 3>you watch the live show, it's a little cringing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you're like, oh, you're missing you're missing here.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>But when he would hit it was so good. So
<v Speaker 3>these being studio musicians, they knew how to go up,
<v Speaker 3>do it again, do it again, do it again. Ah,
<v Speaker 3>there we go. That's the one. That word, that's the
<v Speaker 3>that word. Yep, that's the one we need. And man,
<v Speaker 3>they wove it together in an amazing tapestry. And to
<v Speaker 3>bring it full circle, I love this. Yes, Joe Pacar,
<v Speaker 3>the guy who said to David Page, you need to
<v Speaker 3>meet my son Jeff. Yes, he's playing the marimbas in
<v Speaker 3>the chorus.
<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>It is fantastic. So this song was a huge hit,
<v Speaker 3>everyone surprised to everybody in the band.
<v Speaker 7>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>Lasts for a long time and then, as all any
<v Speaker 3>songs do, it falls out of favor. Now I can
<v Speaker 3>remember with absolute clarity twenty eighteen, that's four years ago, yep.
<v Speaker 3>I walk in to the kitchen. See, my daughter's almost
<v Speaker 3>nineteen now, so she's she would have been fourteen or
<v Speaker 3>fifteen at the time, okay, and she is rocking out
<v Speaker 3>to Africa. Now I've given her are a lot of
<v Speaker 3>good songs, right, you know, I molded her musical education.
<v Speaker 3>As I mentioned, she's a big Metallica fan thanks to me,
<v Speaker 3>Bonjovi fan, thanks to me. But I'd never played Africa
<v Speaker 3>for her. I'm not this huge Toto guy. So when
<v Speaker 3>I walk in the kitchen and she's jamming out to Africa,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, where have you heard this song? And she's like,
<v Speaker 3>it's just around. It's awesome.
<v Speaker 4>Dad.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, it is awesome, but how do you
<v Speaker 3>know it? And then I find out somehow this song
<v Speaker 3>is becoming incredibly popular again.
<v Speaker 2>It's viral.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And I looked at my old text from like twenty seventeen,
<v Speaker 3>twenty eighteen, and I could talking to my brother about this.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, how is it this song is becoming big again?
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make any sense to me. And people try
<v Speaker 3>to say, well, it was the Weezer thing, but that
<v Speaker 3>was after that.
<v Speaker 2>Was after that. That was in response to its popularity exactly,
<v Speaker 2>and I.
<v Speaker 3>As deep as I have dug, I cannot figure it out.
<v Speaker 3>Something happened I know was I know it was China.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what happened. But somehow this song hit
<v Speaker 3>that tipping point again in the last five years and
<v Speaker 3>suddenly it was everywhere again. I guess I don't get it.
<v Speaker 3>And so there was a fourteen year old girl who
<v Speaker 3>developed the Twitter handle at Weezer Africa. Yes, I love
<v Speaker 3>this story, and her soul mission was to get the
<v Speaker 3>band Weezer to cover the song Africa right. And so
<v Speaker 3>she gets so much exposure she becomes viral with this
<v Speaker 3>thing that Weezer to troll.
<v Speaker 2>Her records a version of Rosanna. Know this is hilarious
<v Speaker 2>me too.
<v Speaker 7>They're like, oh, we got the rock songs so.
<v Speaker 3>Far, and Rosanna ends up doing very well for them,
<v Speaker 3>and so finally they're like, well, maybe we should record
<v Speaker 3>and sure enough it becomes their biggest hit in like
<v Speaker 3>ten years or something like that. They hadn't had a
<v Speaker 3>hit since the early two thousands, and suddenly their version
<v Speaker 3>of Africa is hitting the charts.
<v Speaker 2>You know who plays the lead singer in the video.
<v Speaker 3>Our best friend mister weird al yank such a fantastic video.
<v Speaker 3>So they take the Weezer concept that blue backscreen. Was
<v Speaker 3>it the Sweater song? I think it was the Sweater song?
<v Speaker 2>Okay?
<v Speaker 3>And so they do they recreate that exact play of
<v Speaker 3>the video, except that it's weird Al doing the lead
<v Speaker 3>singing in the song. It's great.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, there is some sort of sound installation device in
<v Speaker 2>the Nambib Namib. I, like David Page, have never been
<v Speaker 2>to Africa. So the Nabib Namib desert. Yes, that plays
<v Speaker 2>Africa on loop infinitum, just again and again and again.
<v Speaker 2>It is solar powered out there in the middle of
<v Speaker 2>the desert. There's lay in Africa, Toto, who did this?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, the missionaries apparently.
<v Speaker 3>So all of humanity is going to cease to exist
<v Speaker 3>and the recording of Africa will live forever. Yes, yes, great.
<v Speaker 3>The aliens when they come will be like, well, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know that the civilization, but they knew what was
<v Speaker 3>good music.
<v Speaker 2>Once again, Steve Lucather thought it was the worst song
<v Speaker 2>on the album, but he did not dance down Hollywood
<v Speaker 2>Bullyvard naked Steve Lugather, the ball is in your court.
<v Speaker 2>We expect you naked down Hollywood Boulevard. It's been a
<v Speaker 2>huge hit twice in like two different centuries. It's incredible.
<v Speaker 2>It's incredible, one of the best songs of the eighties.
<v Speaker 2>Spike in the Football, it's one of the best.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. Okay, So that does it for the album. We
<v Speaker 3>got to talk about a few things that happened after Yes.
<v Speaker 3>So this whole time, Bobby Kimball has been afraid of
<v Speaker 3>these drug charges that are against him. Ultimately, case gets dismissed.
<v Speaker 3>He was about to go to trial. The defense had
<v Speaker 3>filed the motion to dismiss because what they believed happened
<v Speaker 3>was that he didn't get rid of Miranda rights. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and so the judge believed it, and without even the
<v Speaker 3>judge making a decision, the prosecution voluntarily dismissed the case.
<v Speaker 3>He was never convicted of drug traffic.
<v Speaker 2>So Bobby Kimball's off the drug charges. However, he's not
<v Speaker 2>off the cocaine.
<v Speaker 3>No.
<v Speaker 2>In fact, he started to smoke it.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's freebasing.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and so it destroyed his voice.
<v Speaker 3>It's tragic.
<v Speaker 2>So they had to fire him after their biggest album ever.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Ultimately he rejoins the band about twenty years later
<v Speaker 3>and that lasts for another ten years. I think after that,
<v Speaker 3>I guess he'd quit hitting a crack bite.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's good. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, they
<v Speaker 2>did have a couple other hits in the eighties. One
<v Speaker 2>of them is called I'll Be Over You, big hit
<v Speaker 2>in eighty six.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, real quick, I'm gonna tell you a story.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So we mentioned that they are huge musicians on the
<v Speaker 3>Thriller album, right mm hm. And you know that Human
<v Speaker 3>Nature was a big song on that album, right.
<v Speaker 2>It's a lily huge hit, huge hit.
<v Speaker 3>Human Nature was written by Steve Pacarl. So here's what happened. Wow,
<v Speaker 3>they're already working on the album, right, and Quincy Jones
<v Speaker 3>is looking for music, and so he says, Hey, David,
<v Speaker 3>I need you to get me a song. So David
<v Speaker 3>says to Steve, who kind of like almost working for
<v Speaker 3>him at this point, He's like, hey, I need you
<v Speaker 3>to record this song onto a tape for me. And
<v Speaker 3>the tapes are short, they're like, you know, one song
<v Speaker 3>on each side. Okay, I need you to record this
<v Speaker 3>for me and send it over to Quincy. So Steve
<v Speaker 3>takes this tape that he had. They had one of
<v Speaker 3>his own songs on. It was a song that he
<v Speaker 3>wrote spur of the moment after he had this conversation
<v Speaker 3>with his daughter, Heather Pecara, who goes on to be
<v Speaker 3>a musician herself. She's a little kid, some kid, some
<v Speaker 3>boy hits her and she doesn't know what and she
<v Speaker 3>comes home and he's trying to explain to her that
<v Speaker 3>the boy probably likes you. This is just human nature,
<v Speaker 3>this is the way they behave. And then he realizes, hey,
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of a good human nature, this kind of
<v Speaker 3>a good song. Runs over the keyboard, records the yy why,
<v Speaker 3>the human nature, the melody, and the chords of the
<v Speaker 3>song onto this tape. Okay yep. Then a little later
<v Speaker 3>David calls and says, hey, I need you to put
<v Speaker 3>my song on a tape and send it over to
<v Speaker 3>Quincy Well. The tape that the only tape that he's
<v Speaker 3>got with him at the moment is the tape that
<v Speaker 3>he's got Human Nature on.
<v Speaker 2>Okay wow.
<v Speaker 3>So he records it on the other side of that
<v Speaker 3>sends it to Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones is listening to
<v Speaker 3>David Page's song but lets it keep on playing and
<v Speaker 3>it's got the automatic flip over on the tape and
<v Speaker 3>so Quincy hears human Nature and he calls up David,
<v Speaker 3>and David said, it took me thirty minutes to figure
<v Speaker 3>out he's not talking about He's like, you know, tell
<v Speaker 3>me about human nature. This is great. He's like, what
<v Speaker 3>are you what? Yeah, And so he didn't want David's song.
<v Speaker 3>He picked Steve's song. And Steve's like, Eve Ben mean
<v Speaker 3>for this to happen, Wow, it becomes Michael Jackson's.
<v Speaker 2>Human look at their said, he made a small fortune
<v Speaker 2>off of that one song.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well the screen.
<v Speaker 2>All right, real quickly, so just touching on one more thing.
<v Speaker 2>Toto goes off into the sunset. Interestingly enough, they were
<v Speaker 2>tabbed to do danger Zone for the Top Gun soundtrack.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 2>They had actually been asked to participate in Footloose. They
<v Speaker 2>sent some songs in they weren't selected. The Footloot soundtrack
<v Speaker 2>goes on to be a huge smash album go Back
<v Speaker 2>where we covered that track by track. So they were
<v Speaker 2>intent on being included in Top Guy. So they came
<v Speaker 2>in they said, hey, we want you to do danger
<v Speaker 2>Zone and so they rearranged it. They made it better,
<v Speaker 2>and the guy said, okay, we really like the lyrics.
<v Speaker 2>We really like the arrangement, we really like the singing.
<v Speaker 2>But we're going to bring in some studio musicians to
<v Speaker 2>replace you, guys. And they're like, what are you talking about.
<v Speaker 2>We're the best there is. And so they pulled it
<v Speaker 2>and they said, Nope, we're out. Otherwise we would have
<v Speaker 2>Toto instead of Kinney Loggins on Top Guys.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna cover a top gun hearing about him?
<v Speaker 4>Unk?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, a couple more things. Okay, The Beatles were
<v Speaker 3>a huge influence on all of these guys, right right.
<v Speaker 3>So Steve tells a story of the time that he
<v Speaker 3>got to meet Paul McCartney. Yes, it's when they're recording Thriller,
<v Speaker 3>and of course Paul McCartney the Girl is Mine with
<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson, which you don't care for the dog gun garly.
<v Speaker 3>So they're there and he's got his whole entourage and
<v Speaker 3>it's this big production while they're doing their recording or whatever,
<v Speaker 3>and Steve says, what happens, He's not even recording with
<v Speaker 3>them at this point. Jeff is the one drumming, and
<v Speaker 3>Steve and David they're the ones involved, not Steve. Steve
<v Speaker 3>Lucather and David Page, the ones, not Steve Pacarr, right,
<v Speaker 3>but Steve Pacaro is there when this happens. He gets
<v Speaker 3>to see him, and then he leaves with his entourage.
<v Speaker 3>They're taking down their equipment, and suddenly Paul McCartney walks
<v Speaker 3>back in by himself, snuck away from the paparazzi or
<v Speaker 3>what have you, and he's like, I just wanted to
<v Speaker 3>come back and talk to you guys for a little while.
<v Speaker 3>And so he just sat down and hung with the
<v Speaker 3>band for like ten minutes. And so Steve is just,
<v Speaker 3>you know, staring in awe at his idol, just sitting
<v Speaker 3>across the couch room him.
<v Speaker 2>That is awesome.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's great. Okay. So we know that Bobby Kimball
<v Speaker 3>lost his position with the band because of some cocaine use,
<v Speaker 3>and we know from our research that all of these
<v Speaker 3>guys were pretty heavily into cocaine. And even if you
<v Speaker 3>didn't know, if you go back and watch any of
<v Speaker 3>those videos, there is no question that these guys were
<v Speaker 3>ha ha.
<v Speaker 2>Listen, it was the eighties, it was the early eighties,
<v Speaker 2>and everybody was rolling around in the white powder.
<v Speaker 3>It was it was a thing. It's a thing to do.
<v Speaker 3>But interestingly, later on, Jeff Pacarro passes away under kind
<v Speaker 3>of unusual circumstances, and what the medical examiner says is
<v Speaker 3>that it is caused by his cocaine.
<v Speaker 2>He was fertilizing his lawn at the time. Steve Lucather said,
<v Speaker 2>there's no way his cocaine news, so it had to
<v Speaker 2>be that pesticide.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He said that the amount that they found was
<v Speaker 3>like so ridiculously small that there's no way a guy
<v Speaker 3>who had done as many drugs as he did in
<v Speaker 3>the eighties would suddenly that that would cause him to
<v Speaker 3>have a heart attack and die.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Lucather thinks he probably smoked either a cigarette or a
<v Speaker 3>jay while he had the pesticide on his hands, therefore
<v Speaker 3>sucking it into his lungs and causing the death. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know if it's doctor Lucather or not, but I
<v Speaker 3>can also say that there are medical examiners out there
<v Speaker 3>who saw the spotlight for things too.
<v Speaker 2>So he was a heavy smoker, Yeah, he was a
<v Speaker 2>cocaine user. Yeah, and he was squirting his lawn with poison.
<v Speaker 5>Yes.
<v Speaker 2>Sadly, we lost Jeff Piicarl, one of the best drummers
<v Speaker 2>of all time at age thirty eight.
<v Speaker 3>Of course, this was a shock to everybody. There was
<v Speaker 3>a memorial concert that took place at the Universal Amphitheater
<v Speaker 3>on December fourteenth, ninety two, that just ro after he died,
<v Speaker 3>had George Harrison, Boz Gaggs, Donald Fagan, Don Henley, Michael McDonald,
<v Speaker 3>David Crosby and Eddie Van Halen and the members of
<v Speaker 3>Toto singing a memorial concert for a.
<v Speaker 2>Lot of those guys we've talked about through this two
<v Speaker 2>part are on Toto.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Richard Marx. You know, we mentioned that Steve
<v Speaker 3>Lucather played the outro off of the Lionel Richie's album,
<v Speaker 3>and Richard Marx was one of the guys who sang
<v Speaker 3>backup for Lionel Richie back before he was a big man. Well,
<v Speaker 3>he dedicated the song One Man to Jeff and said
<v Speaker 3>Paccaro was the best drummer he had ever worked with.
<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson made a dedication to Pacaro in the liner
<v Speaker 3>Notes of History from ninety five. He was just a
<v Speaker 3>very well loved and very well respected guy.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it just hit me, h you mentioning that story.
<v Speaker 2>The guys in Toto played on Richard Mark's debut album
<v Speaker 2>has all those huge hits you know, don't mean nothing
<v Speaker 2>in the summer nights, hold On to the Knights, just
<v Speaker 2>a huge album. Toto played all over that. Richard Marx
<v Speaker 2>married Cynthia Rhodes, the star of the Rosanna.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>The song right here waiting was writting was written about her.
<v Speaker 3>That's fantastic. That's fantastic. So Jeff Pucar's tomb stone inscribed
<v Speaker 3>with lyrics from a song on Kingdom of Desire. Our
<v Speaker 3>love doesn't end here, It lives forever on the wings
<v Speaker 3>of time. Okay, everybody that does it. For this episode,
<v Speaker 3>we are comparing two Mammoth albums from nineteen eighty two,
<v Speaker 3>Toto's four which we just covered, and coming up next.
<v Speaker 2>We have Deran Durand's Rio album. Huge album, packed with heads.
<v Speaker 2>Her name is Rio and she dances in the send.
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome, man, I can't wait to dive into that one.
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be so much fun. Dran Duran huge, powerful
<v Speaker 2>force on the wings of MTV.
<v Speaker 3>Early if you were listening to music and eighty two
<v Speaker 3>and eighty three, these songs were in your ears every
<v Speaker 3>single week and.
<v Speaker 2>On your TV. Yeah, come back here next week where
<v Speaker 2>we dive into the history of Duran Duran followed by
<v Speaker 2>Rio track by track, and we.
<v Speaker 3>All have a special guest for that episode.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm Melissa Mingles. She's a good friend of ours,
<v Speaker 2>friend of the show, big Duran.
<v Speaker 3>Duran fan, super fan if you will.
<v Speaker 2>If she had not married her husband Mark Simon Levaughn,
<v Speaker 2>it was next in line.
<v Speaker 3>I think that's awesome. Okay, before we head out, we
<v Speaker 3>need to do our shirly showcase. This time we have
<v Speaker 3>a special fan of ours from Facebook who has interacted
<v Speaker 3>with us a bunch. He is weighing in on this
<v Speaker 3>matchup of Toto four versus Duran Duran Rio. Let's hear
<v Speaker 3>what he has to say.
<v Speaker 2>This is our buddy, James Stiegel, friend of the show,
<v Speaker 2>friend on Facebook.
<v Speaker 9>Hey, how you doing this? Is James Darling, Thanks for
<v Speaker 9>sending me a message. Chime in with some thoughts on
<v Speaker 9>Total four versus Rio.
<v Speaker 3>Just one of us.
<v Speaker 9>Between the album and the album, those boats came out,
<v Speaker 9>you know when I was in ten years eleven years
<v Speaker 9>old and fifth grade back in eighty two.
<v Speaker 3>Between each and one of them, they're.
<v Speaker 9>Both class six, they're both eighties Class six, both packed
<v Speaker 9>with some hiss. You know, Total four it has that
<v Speaker 9>album of the year distinction, which you know, some people
<v Speaker 9>say make it, may make it better. But at the
<v Speaker 9>same time, Duran, Duran and Rio, that whole MTV thing
<v Speaker 9>with the early eighties and new wave new romantic, I
<v Speaker 9>think that also carries it over to as well. You know,
<v Speaker 9>it was with Total four you got Rosanna and Africa,
<v Speaker 9>and you know two other top forty ars Hungry Locked
<v Speaker 9>the Wolf, plus Rio, the title track, Mother Songs, plus
<v Speaker 9>the MVP of that whole album save a Prayer, which
<v Speaker 9>is pretty much a lot of Duran fans' personal favorite.
<v Speaker 9>So if I had to really pick and choose between
<v Speaker 9>you two, it's a tough choice. But I guess the
<v Speaker 9>early eighties MTV fanatic with me and all those albums combined,
<v Speaker 9>I probably would just go ahead and go pick the
<v Speaker 9>Duran Duran first play it. Then of course I played
<v Speaker 9>Total for it next after it too, obviously, find choices
<v Speaker 9>other than that great be asked about some opinions about
<v Speaker 9>two good albums. I love the podcast, love to Show,
<v Speaker 9>love the page and everything, and love contributing. Other than that,
<v Speaker 9>talk at you later least one.
<v Speaker 2>All right, James, thanks man, that's great.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, solid opinion. I can't fault you. I mean it is.
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to pick between these two, and certainly one
<v Speaker 3>is probably going to be slipping into the CD player
<v Speaker 3>right after the other one in my rotation as well.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, We're going to cover Duran Duran next week.
<v Speaker 2>Obviously that's his favorite, but he likes Toto four as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I think next week we're going to have
<v Speaker 3>a surely showcase with our old friend def Dave, who's
<v Speaker 3>going to give his opinion on these two albums.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you can't wait to hear what he has to say.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then tune in for the very end where
<v Speaker 3>we give you our final judgment as to which of
<v Speaker 3>these two amazing albums holds the top spot.
<v Speaker 2>See you back here next week.