Lucius

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Speaker 1: This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You can visit Norah Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with Lucious. I'm just playing Louy. I'm just playing lone Uzy. Hey, I'm Norah Jones with me. Here is Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 2: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 1: How are you good? How are you? Can't complain really about anything?

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Speaker 4: No, because we had an awesome episode today, Yes with singer songwriters Jess Wolf and Holly Lessig, the duo leading the band Lucious Lucious.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say it over and over, Lucious Lucious.

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Speaker 4: They are Grammy nominated artists known for their signature harmonies Lucious, Are you quite finished?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Go ahead, And they.

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Speaker 4: Are highly sought after collaborators, contributing vocals and songs to projects by Brandy Carlyle, Roger Waters, The War on Drugs, Harry Styles, and many more. Like everybody wants to sing with them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're everywhere they do. They pop up in a lot of places. They are beloved, They're amazing.

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Speaker 4: In this episode, you're going to hear how they kind of approach songwriting as a duo, and how they are creative partners, and how they arrange their harmonies whenever they work on new music.

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Speaker 1: It's a very unique partnership. I've never really seen anyone who sings together like this, and they've been together for so long, and they just they sound so amazing together.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like they share a brain, or they share two brains.

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Speaker 1: Or a set of lungs.

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Speaker 4: All the things.

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Speaker 1: You know, They're very distinct individuals, but somehow when they together musically, it's just it's a very special collaboration.

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Speaker 4: They just know what to do. Yeah, you're gonna hear reimagined versions of songs from across their catalog. And also maybe you also will cry like I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I cried rehearsing for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll see emotions. You'll hear emotions. Please enjoy this episode with the Lovely Ladies of Lucius.

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Speaker 5: I hope I didn't let you down.

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Speaker 6: Because it's too late to make a change.

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Speaker 7: You lived a hundred lives before me, so self involved things that I could hold that way.

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Speaker 8: Like a mother to them all, with your arms stretched open.

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Speaker 9: Why, I'll hope you hear that.

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Speaker 3: Livin. Let's call.

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Speaker 5: I hope they're letting you inside.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, you.

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Speaker 10: Look good like a mom with all that sunshine on your face.

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Speaker 11: I'll let you sit there without talking. You let me sit there in your shape, let.

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Speaker 10: Me dream about the future, all the.

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Speaker 12: Plans we had to me.

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Speaker 9: I hope I'm wrong about the afternoon and these are not youri fiedly.

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Speaker 10: Cosail fight. I could, I did have you said it died, I couldn't. I did have.

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Speaker 5: So said it's wait, you want your paradise.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have f.

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Speaker 3: Just did not.

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Speaker 5: Yeah I did, I did have the.

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Speaker 1: World will go on.

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Speaker 9: Spinning another day and another see.

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Speaker 5: I'll be lefting just memory.

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Speaker 6: Yesterday it would be dream.

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Speaker 10: How you can.

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Speaker 2: Not the fall.

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Speaker 6: O the seas empty sky space you live from.

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Speaker 12: That we don't have to see?

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Speaker 3: Goodbye?

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Speaker 13: Could sad fright? But I could and I didn't ever I said died, I could.

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Speaker 2: I did never.

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Speaker 5: So said it's way you won't to paradise.

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Speaker 14: Did never hat did not so said its way you won't to paradise. Didn't never so like just did not see crime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it did not? Did never cool?

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Speaker 5: That was awesome, It was great, That felt great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, God, you're so powerful not bad for ten in the morning. Huh, amazing.

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Speaker 5: I can't believe you saying like that.

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Speaker 1: It's great, incredible, Thank you. I love that songs. It is really it's epic. It's a journey.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it sort of started the whole record that song.

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Speaker 1: It is a yeah.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Holly had a tree in her backyard. You want to tell the story, Yeah, I had it.

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Speaker 12: We had when we had bought our house.

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Speaker 16: We had like these two huge we called them dinosaur trees, like on either side of the property, and that was kind of part of the big part of the reason why we bought the house.

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Speaker 12: And then one of them died and then the other one had to be.

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Speaker 16: Cut down because it also got sick and it was becoming a safety hazard to the houses around it. So I was sitting outside the day before she had to get cut down, just looking at this tree, being like, oh, no, she doesn't.

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Speaker 12: Know what's coming.

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Speaker 16: And that's kind of like where sad where the song started.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Because you think it's about something else, maybe that's not where you would go with it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Simultaneously, our guitar player was losing his mom and we had both suffered miscarriages, and there was a lot going on in our lives in that moment and it and.

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Speaker 1: It sort of was connective choose like a symbol for a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really beautiful. It's nice to have music, I think, to put all that into for sure.

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Speaker 12: And sometimes you don't even realize it in the moment.

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Speaker 15: You know, you once the song is done or a collection of songs is done, you look and you're like, oh, wow, I really this is this is what I was living.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with that. I have that same thing. Yeah. Yeah, you go back and you're like, holy, that's really how it right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: And also because I don't know, at least for us, when you set out to write about a specific thing, it's usually not never what you yeah, what you hope it would know.

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Speaker 1: It's always the ones that just just come to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately you just can't control it the way you want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you guys write like historically?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Has it changed? No, it's pretty much. I mean there's no real.

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Speaker 11: Order to it.

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Speaker 15: I mean as a specifically, yeah, yeah, I mean one of us might have a lyrical idea or a melodic idea and the other sort of fills in the gap or we'll start from scratch together. For this record, we actually several of the songs we wrote in the studio with Danny kind of building tracks as we were writing.

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Speaker 1: Which was that the first time you've done that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Really yeah for the most part, and that was really Yeah.

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Speaker 15: It was just fun because you could build, you know, a sonic world as you're building this sort of this sort of spirit and ethos of the song. But there's not really a formula, I mean, other than just six setting aside time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which now is harder with kids, right, yeah, but we do it. I mean, you can't be on the bathtub really, yeah. If I'm in the bathtub, that's when I have should when they're little, they're in the bathroom with you, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, we we are good about setting the time though.

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Speaker 1: That's good because we can't.

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Speaker 15: We're not the type of people who can write from the road. I don't know how people do that. No interesting compartmentalizing, Yeah, I know what you mean.

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Speaker 1: I just we can't always even before kids, like yeah, it's always been like that.

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Speaker 15: It's always been like that. Not that we wouldn't collect. We always collect, like voice memos and you know, journal entries or whatever, but not yeah, not sitting down to write. We tried and it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's two different modes.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this album is you all self produced it with your band? Yeah, Danny our drummer. Can you tell me about your band, because it's a real band. It's not just me too, Yes, it's a real family, right like collective.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's us and Pete and Danny. We've been together.

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Speaker 16: I mean, Jess and I started Lucious God like twenty years ago really, yeah, and then we moved and we were in Boston at the time. We moved to New York and that's when we kind of linked up with Pete and Danny and put out Wilder Woman and all the records and Wilder Woman we did mostly ourselves too, and then we worked with other producers and collaborated with other writers, even on the last record.

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Speaker 12: And for this one, it felt like we want it to come back to ourselves. Yeah, ourselves and just working with the guys again in a room.

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Speaker 15: And Danny and Pete are longtime collaborators before knowing us as well, so they were in a band called Elizabeth and the Catapult who was you know, like they did a lot, and Elizabeth is actually still doing a lot, but they each in their own time sort of part of ways from that. And Danny and I used to be married, so we started working with him when we were first dating, and he brought Pete into the mix and then yeah, yeah wild.

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Speaker 12: And we're still doing it.

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Speaker 1: That's great, drama free actually, yeah. I love the new album so much.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, beautiful, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I first saw you at that festival and who's this, you know, and Sasha my bandmates, Oh my god, you're gonna and you had on the outfits and I was like, they look so cool. It's been sort of my dream always to dress like that on stage. But I think because I started out a little more just myself, I've never been able to transition to that. You know. It's hard to like start without it and then add it. Yeah, so you can do it. I don't know, man, I don't know, but it's amazing, whole vibe.

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Speaker 2: Well we do.

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Speaker 12: We dressed exactly like and you have the same hair on stage, yeah, and I mean we That's the problem when you start with it, you can't Yeah, you can't undo it.

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Speaker 1: People expect it now.

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Speaker 15: I mean at the time, you know, we couldn't afford a set and so it was like an automatic set piece, and they really show up to a festival and people like, who's that because it's sort of weird.

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Speaker 12: They either think that we're lovers or sisters or sisters.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it sort of helped, you know, solidify a visual connect people to us, or at least build a curiosity.

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Speaker 1: It really is a thing, but it's such a cool thing then and then when you open your mouth, I mean it's just like, oh, none of that matters because you're amazing. But when you put it all together, it's just so cool to have that. I think it's really special.

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Speaker 15: It helps us like get in our uniform and if we're you know, having a long day and we're tired, like we automatically are sort of transported and hoping other people when they look at us and when they hear us are seeing one unit.

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Speaker 12: What did you see the other day on TikTok oh?

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Speaker 16: I saw one of those like those videos we're just like, make it from twenty sixteen, make up from twenty twenty five, and I.

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Speaker 12: Send it to Jes I was like, are we twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 16: Probably it're gonna be those old ladies, like still in the same make up routine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I wait, I think I'm a little older than you. Just wait, I can't even believe it. I feel so old lately, it's insane. We're embracing. Yeah, it's hello, you know, it's what it is. Yeah, yeah, I mean we're fabulous. Okay, Hey, it's fine. Eventually twenty sixteen will be back. That's exactly what I right now, just working for me, right, just stick just stick with it.

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Speaker 12: It'll come back around every exactly.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to try another song from the new album? Yeah, you want to try a borderline? Yeah, I just really love this one. It's always funny seeing how new songs come alive, which ones sometimes don't want to work. Yes, yes, it this works working, and then you find it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: We've had a couple of songs like that, even on past records that we couldn't figure out for entire tours. And then like like when we did the Wild Woman Reunion and finally figured out hatter Ring after.

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Speaker 12: A decade, Yeah, we could not do it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, in the early days, and actually there's a lot of songs that were you know, for whatever reason on record feel really fun and lively and maybe are even the single, and then we just can't we can't figure.

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Speaker 1: It out live.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, like it just doesn't land for some reason.

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Speaker 1: Can't weird chemistry?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I guess you can't control it.

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Speaker 1: No, you can't control it.

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Speaker 12: Although labels haven't been very happy.

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Speaker 3: Maybe and.

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Speaker 6: We'll be starting on the other side.

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Speaker 17: You walk the line, no kind line looking over your shoulder. You only find what you're trying to have. Even when you say that it's a trying to conlave me to find. I can't see that border life.

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Speaker 18: Maybe in time, when hell freezes old, I'll be surprised.

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Speaker 6: You'll be satispy, Honey, I'm tired.

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Speaker 17: Looking for the oldly, the one that I would recognize.

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Speaker 6: H even say that it's all over.

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Speaker 10: Trying to convince me to find.

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Speaker 6: I can't see that border land.

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Speaker 2: O wen't see that.

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Speaker 3: It's so change.

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Speaker 10: You convince me to fine.

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Speaker 6: I can see that God, and.

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Speaker 3: Every time, every time, if time.

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Speaker 15: M hm, I was a little jingle jangly Withammarine, but.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was beautiful. Yeah, I'm sure no phones is easier to blend vocally mostly Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm sure you're used to everything now at this point, but how did you find each other? How did you find that you can do this as such a tight unit? Singing it's such a thing, you know.

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Speaker 12: I think that the singing together.

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Speaker 1: Was a happy accident, like we both wanted to be.

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Speaker 12: We met at school.

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Speaker 15: We met it at Berkeley in Boston, and over you know there there weren't so many ladies at Berkeley, so we had a very tight little girl group and over wine one night, I don't know, a couple of years into school, we were talking about our influences, our musical influences, and we decided we were going to do a white album cover show, but like a girl group style white album.

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Speaker 1: What a cool idea.

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Speaker 15: We've never done it, but we did get together and talk and brainstorm and we started rearranging Happiness Is Warm Gun and then we were just like, let's just write our own tunes.

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Speaker 1: I think Hollie had brought a song. You were already writing, yeah, Holly.

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Speaker 15: I wasn't writing a ton, but Holly was writing regularly, and I don't know. We got into the studio, probably for a class project or something, and then ensemble, Yeah, and we both wanted to be lead singers, but we wanted to be lead singers together, and we didn't want to just sing in harmony.

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Speaker 12: And a lot of the.

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Speaker 15: Artists that I think resonated for us did double their vocals, like Elliott Smith and you know obviously Wall of Sound, Phil Spector those recordings all about the doubling vocals.

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Speaker 1: But we're like, oh, we can do this live. That's so cool.

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Speaker 15: So that's kind of where it started. And I would say that the mix our vocal sound sort of just there was sort of a happy accident. It did just become one voice sort of instantaneously. But yeah, we were we were lucky. That's really cool. I mean, just to want to do that together and so to have done it now for so long together. Yeah, and to have developed such a sound. And we spent a lot of time like nurturing the craft before we got put ourselves out there too, I think really yeah, I think we were seeing a lot of people lose a lot of money on the road before they had anybody showing up for them, and we couldn't do that, and we didn't know what our sound was yet. And there were a lot of artists that we had started listening to Little Dragon and Bony Bear and that were coming on the scene and we were super excited, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, just to explore and that's so smart.

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Speaker 12: Did a bunch of you know, bar four open mics every week.

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Speaker 2: It was broken up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were here for a long time, okay.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, seven years felt like a lot, a lot longer. And now almost eight years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're in your twenties, I feel like seven years is forever.

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Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, and then we now we've been in LA for over ten years, so oh wow, yeah, which is that feels crazy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is crazy.

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Speaker 15: We just gave it the time that it needed before we really put ourselves out there. And I think that that's pretty great. The lack of pressure, but the consistency in honing I think was what really helped us find ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's so interesting because you're your voices are so beautiful and there's just a thing. You could sing anything and it's just the thing. But then the songs are so good. I'm really really I think your songwriting is amazing. Thank you, and the songs are I'm always like, Damn, that's a good song, Damn, that's a good song.

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Speaker 3: Damn.

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Speaker 1: That's a good song. It's like every one of them. So it's so special when everything just comes together, you know. So congrats on that. Yeah, it's beautiful. I love this song. Two of Us on the Run. This is sort of a crowd favorite. You were saying, Yeah, this is off Wielded Woman, our first record. Yeah, so it's an oldie but a goodie. Do you do it in every show?

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Speaker 12: Yeah? Yeah, do you end with it? A lot of times we end with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: On our first tours, Like in our first tour cycle of our first record, we used to go in the crowd. We played a lot of small clubs, and especially when we went to Europe and everything was like really small, little cool, divy clubs, and would always go into the middle of the crowd and do this song. We all of us would just go right in the middle, without mics or anything at all, Yeah, and just do that song. And now it's we do that still sometimes obviously with amplification now, but it's it's fun.

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Speaker 12: We try and do it when we can.

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Speaker 1: That's fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: People cry. Yeah, Well, I had to tell you a story yesterday I was going through all the songs. I was down here, have my headphones on learning, making sure I know them well enough to do this. And I got like halfway through this song and I started bawling. Oh yeah, oh full disclosure. So I think that means I'm going to keep it together today. I already got it out, but let it out. There is like such an emotion in this this song, and yeah, I get why it's a Crawd favorite. Yeah, so that happened.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, he cried on stage once during this song. Really, it was the first time we played a sold out show in your hometown.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: It wasn't because I was feeling like sentimental. It was because it was really incredibly anxious.

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Speaker 1: Probably funny you were just thinking about the after show everyone judging you hometown shows are impossible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:27:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's your hometown Cleveland? Okay? And where's yours? Los Angeles? Oh really Okay, so you're kind of back back home now.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm from Dallas and every time I play there, I have a panic. I have like a nervous breakdown. Yeah, and my mom invites all these people to the show that didn't even know about it, that didn't even maybe want to come, but she's like invited them. Yeah, it's like a whole thing. Well, you know, yeah, you can't blame her. No, it's nice, it's very nice. It's just it's overwhelming. Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: It does sort of stir up, you know, sort of feel like you're revisiting yeah.

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Speaker 1: Things, totally. Yeah, it like drags your whole childhood. Nobody needs to do it now. I love hearing these songs this way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:27:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we don't get to do that. Yeah. Yeah, if you're into it's a fun change change up. Do you guys play Do you play guitar.

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Speaker 12: Or or play keyboards?

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Speaker 15: Mostly mostly keys, Yeah, synthesizer or melotron and mogue bass.

00:28:14
Speaker 12: And cool he plays.

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Speaker 1: So I knew that you played a lot of sense stuff, and I was like, I don't have a big synth collection for them. That's why I was gonna. I was going to bring something in if you wanted it, But no, I like this, Yeah, this is nice. I'm not to scent the knowledgeable. I don't know anything about sense I. Matt knows a lot, but our engineer, but I was going to have him like provide this is this is this is so much better.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I like this.

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Speaker 1: When you write do you write on keys?

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Speaker 12: Mostly. Yeah, some guitar too, okay, but just like for writing, not for performance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I started playing guitar probably when I was twenty five, so yeah, and I still stink, but I do it. I've been taking guitar solos live, which is it's it's a tight rope walk. I'll tell you. Any audience member can tell you. Keeps you feeling alive. It's actually really fun.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And my bass player plays guitar, so he gives me a lesson before the show every night.

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Speaker 12: It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's your band now right now it's Brian Blade on drums, oh my gosh, and Josh Lutanzian bass.

00:29:21
Speaker 12: Is there anyone nicer than Brian Blade.

00:29:24
Speaker 1: No, No, that's true. I'm such a fan.

00:29:28
Speaker 15: And I used to go to his shows at like Smalls and fifty five bar or whenever he was playing in New York.

00:29:33
Speaker 1: We probably crossed past, I'm sure. Yeah, and I.

00:29:38
Speaker 12: We did this.

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Speaker 1: Joni Mitch the.

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Speaker 15: She was getting the Gershwin on her in DC and he was in the band, and god, I mean I was like starstruck. And he's just as kind as humanly possible.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and just a hero.

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Speaker 1: I mean a total legend. Same. My first time I saw him play, I was sixteen. We had to see him at a jazz club with Josh Redmon, and I've been a fan since. Yeah, still a fan. Yeah that is That is an awesome band. Yeah, and I have Sasha singing, Sasha Dobson and Sammy Stevens. So it's the first time I've had real dedicated female harmonies, because everyone in my band's always kind of sang and chimed in. But to have that strong ooh you know, like yeah, it's really fun. Yeah, it's been super fun.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 12: That is really cool. We we toured with some of people who've played with you, Gus.

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Speaker 1: Gus and Joey and Joey Yeah, Gus Cipher and Joey Warnker. So you guys did the Roger Waters tour with that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

00:30:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, was that like years?

00:30:49
Speaker 12: I was like three years.

00:30:50
Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah, yeah, that's with Lucious in between, okay, but enough breaks to sort of do your own thing, yeah sort of.

00:30:58
Speaker 15: But then pandemic hit like the year after, so it was sort of elongated time away, gotcha.

00:31:06
Speaker 12: But expected elongated.

00:31:09
Speaker 1: But what an experience to do all those arena tours.

00:31:11
Speaker 12: Oh my god, it was wild.

00:31:12
Speaker 2: It was epic, but.

00:31:15
Speaker 1: With a pretty great group of people. Sounds like like a little bit of a family vibes.

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Speaker 15: Total absolutely, and we were very adventurous, all of us together. I would say that in a unique way that we were always looking for things to do and puss to go.

00:31:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, otherwise it gets that's when people get bored when they never leave their hotel.

00:31:35
Speaker 12: Well, and a lot of times we were in the same city for you know, weeks.

00:31:39
Speaker 16: Really the production was so big it would take a long time for the whole thing to travel to the next city, so we would have like days off in Europe and Wow, Brazil.

00:31:48
Speaker 12: And like all these places, so we would go crazy adventuring. It was really cool.

00:31:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it.

00:31:55
Speaker 15: And everybody it's down for the most part, almost always, so we really had Yeah, it was a special time.

00:32:00
Speaker 1: That's great. I remember Joey always being pretty down and Gus definitely guess.

00:32:06
Speaker 9: Yeah.

00:32:06
Speaker 1: We had a pretty epic Halloween. Once in London. We all dressed up and slowly realized that nobody in London dresses up, so we're like the only weirdos in town. I was dressed like a dead farm boy. Gus was amazing.

00:32:22
Speaker 12: He dressed up.

00:32:24
Speaker 1: He was Sherlock Holmes. Gus was Shorlock Holmes.

00:32:27
Speaker 12: Yes, I could see that.

00:32:29
Speaker 3: It was hilarious.

00:32:29
Speaker 1: And he's like, you know, it's so tall. And Joey was a Frenchman and he had a mustache and get in like a striped shirt and ay, and I don't know what my pictures are, but there's pictures somewhere. We're gonna have to show this. And Nigel came and hung out, did not dress up of course, of course. Yeah, well he's English. Had a great time.

00:32:53
Speaker 12: That's amazing, good times.

00:33:09
Speaker 3: There are two of us on.

00:33:11
Speaker 8: The run, going so fast. Every day we had it's coming, unde follow me on with everything left there.

00:33:27
Speaker 3: We held on far too long.

00:33:33
Speaker 6: And now there's so many.

00:33:37
Speaker 5: People on the road.

00:33:42
Speaker 10: They could come along.

00:33:44
Speaker 5: The wish they had been told. They may call it a shot in the dark.

00:33:53
Speaker 6: From what we know, it's not under.

00:34:00
Speaker 10: Em story. We sting save slow, favorite parts of milking on a mental, parts of love, imparts of mey.

00:34:54
Speaker 5: Soon everything passes from the group.

00:35:00
Speaker 3: Because better like.

00:35:03
Speaker 5: Everything changes.

00:35:07
Speaker 12: So we can waday.

00:35:15
Speaker 2: Story. Uh We.

00:35:25
Speaker 3: So then.

00:35:32
Speaker 9: Said snap, o, there's no Horrist it's only you, Ratna, just keep one food.

00:36:07
Speaker 5: Finally, there's Norrist.

00:36:10
Speaker 3: It's only Ronna.

00:36:16
Speaker 6: One, two, three, And even when you get tired to skeep one food. Funly, there's no Horrist, no winding inside.

00:36:26
Speaker 3: And the second tu.

00:36:27
Speaker 10: Show win the tutor turn on the lines.

00:36:32
Speaker 8: Save because we are everything weak comedy.

00:36:42
Speaker 6: We're all around, We're on around, We're o roun.

00:36:49
Speaker 5: We got around, we got round.

00:36:53
Speaker 2: We got round.

00:36:54
Speaker 6: Shot Monday.

00:37:04
Speaker 2: Store. We so.

00:37:21
Speaker 13: So stop.

00:37:42
Speaker 3: Something.

00:37:43
Speaker 5: We made something over.

00:37:55
Speaker 1: Wow, this has been so fun. Just a quick question about singing. Do you always take the high note chess or do you guys switch? You swap all the time. I couldn't really focus because I was so focused on the piano. You are low and lower on this okay.

00:38:09
Speaker 15: Uh but yeah we are always yeah final days you're higher higher, slippity flopping. Yeah, I mean and Dusty we switch in the middle. I mean a lot of times we'll switch in the middle. I'll take the lower on the on the verse and then the higher in the chorus because I have more of like a a MASKI beltier sound in my upper register, and Holly's got more of sort.

00:38:37
Speaker 1: Of like a soprano. Classics Okay, Prano, you just kind of swap it up to see what sounds best.

00:38:44
Speaker 12: Yeah, like just for the right sort of dynamic. Yeah, that's cool.

00:38:49
Speaker 1: All right. One more dork singer question.

00:38:51
Speaker 15: Yeah, so you broke in our song recently and we're like, wow, I thought that's what's happening.

00:38:58
Speaker 12: Okay.

00:38:59
Speaker 1: I'm not a singery singer. I don't think about this stuff sometimes, but I think people who listen might be curious. Number One, do you like tea? Yes?

00:39:08
Speaker 12: She loves tea.

00:39:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ali's coffee. Okay, you're not a tea before you sing? Kind of it's not a ritual.

00:39:18
Speaker 12: Well, I'm a tea gal, like I'm dressed in general.

00:39:21
Speaker 15: In general, I've always been iced tea, hot tea, herbal tea, all of the teas.

00:39:28
Speaker 12: Occasional tea before singing, but not yeah, not like a definite ritual.

00:39:32
Speaker 1: Okay. And do you do warm ups like every single time? Not every single time? Interesting, I'm better about it than because you're you're singing. I mean, these songs and a lot of your material is it's very I would find it really difficult without warming up.

00:39:54
Speaker 15: Yeah, I I As I've gotten older, I'm more diligent about it because and with lack of sleep with baby, I can go horse so I and I am carrying like a heavy load with the belting, so I just I have to honor that, and I'm pretty good about it at least.

00:40:14
Speaker 1: Straw phonation and then always I've never heard that word really, you know.

00:40:21
Speaker 15: It's a straw, okay, and in like a cup of water and you're basically stretching your vocal cords.

00:40:27
Speaker 1: With the straw in your mouth and you're singing into it.

00:40:31
Speaker 15: It's pretty low impact, but it's yeah, you're not really singing into it at first.

00:40:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, at first there's a little bit of uh, vocal fry okay, and.

00:40:45
Speaker 12: Then just note you should watch this YouTube video.

00:40:50
Speaker 1: Oh my god, vocal fry.

00:40:53
Speaker 12: Yes, what's the guy's name? He's ad it'll come to me?

00:40:56
Speaker 1: Is he making he's he's being serious about it, right, yeah, he's but it's very funny.

00:41:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do.

00:41:06
Speaker 15: I have like a I do a warm up usually before sound check, and then I do like just a really quick warm up before the show, and then like a seven minute ritual after the show.

00:41:18
Speaker 1: You do warm always warm down.

00:41:21
Speaker 15: I've never done that, okay, I think that's what saves me more than anything really, Yes, okay, and I think especially before talking to people, oh smart, because the talking is what really wears me out.

00:41:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. Bars are off limits on absolutely. Yeah, and I almost never drink loud. That's great. Yeah, restaurants are impossible, yes.

00:41:44
Speaker 12: Yes, that's why, like sushi usually works out.

00:41:47
Speaker 1: It's quiet.

00:41:49
Speaker 16: We used to sell our own merch after all of our shows and that killed me the first.

00:41:54
Speaker 1: Just talking to everybody. Yeah.

00:41:57
Speaker 12: Interesting, yeah, yeah, I mean considering how much we did it, but.

00:42:04
Speaker 1: We couldn't do that now.

00:42:05
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot.

00:42:08
Speaker 1: Well, it's all a lot. And you're going on tour. Are you going to do a big tour this year for the new album? Yeah.

00:42:13
Speaker 12: We just got off our first leg and that was great.

00:42:16
Speaker 1: And you're bringing all the kids and then we have two of three, Holly's youngest and my baby, and that's fun and also a lot all of the things.

00:42:30
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's all mostly sweet.

00:42:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's great, but you just you're multitasking your butts off.

00:42:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:42:36
Speaker 1: The hard heart is just sleep.

00:42:38
Speaker 12: Honestly, sleep is what kills your.

00:42:40
Speaker 1: Voice, the lack of sleep.

00:42:42
Speaker 15: So but he's such a good, happy boy and it's so nice to have them around.

00:42:50
Speaker 1: It's fun to have them together, and they're going to grow up together, and yeah, it's a really special thing.

00:42:54
Speaker 16: Yeah.

00:42:55
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's super sweet.

00:42:56
Speaker 1: And when they get old enough, are you on a bus? My kids are obsessed with the bus. The bunks are just so fun.

00:43:04
Speaker 15: They sleep pretty well considering. I mean it's like a machine, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and it's moving, that's right.

00:43:14
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

00:43:15
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:43:16
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully they.

00:43:17
Speaker 12: Continue to like it, Gus.

00:43:19
Speaker 1: Well, I think if you get them used to it, it's like anything. Yeah, it's just going to be the norm.

00:43:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:43:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I hope you have a great tour.

00:43:47
Speaker 10: Why myvy moment, whyn.

00:43:58
Speaker 6: It's so away, wama a see search for this.

00:44:14
Speaker 2: In the evers and you're way.

00:44:35
Speaker 5: Made me in the place I'm no goodbye, I'll be there.

00:44:44
Speaker 3: You can't miss me.

00:44:48
Speaker 5: Made me in the place I'm no goodbye, I'll.

00:44:56
Speaker 10: Be there, you can't miss me. Woma.

00:45:07
Speaker 6: We wanted two of everything? Or maybe not to this degree?

00:45:14
Speaker 10: Is this the average woman?

00:45:24
Speaker 6: Such a bagful thing to see?

00:45:27
Speaker 10: Beauty is told to crouch me in the club, made me in the place, no goodbye, I'll be there.

00:45:58
Speaker 5: You can't miss me.

00:46:00
Speaker 9: M M.

00:46:02
Speaker 5: Meet me in the place no goodbye. I'll be there.

00:46:12
Speaker 3: You can't miss me.

00:46:20
Speaker 2: Ah h.

00:46:34
Speaker 1: H h.

00:46:45
Speaker 3: Leave me out of place.

00:46:49
Speaker 10: A goodbye. I'll be there.

00:46:55
Speaker 2: You can miss me. Lead me in the place.

00:47:03
Speaker 5: Of no goodbye.

00:47:07
Speaker 2: I'll be there. You can't miss me.

00:47:13
Speaker 19: Wama, say God, leave tonight. Don't let me go without a fight. You know want stay.

00:47:30
Speaker 10: Wama.

00:47:35
Speaker 3: The cord is.

00:47:35
Speaker 10: Wearing down to nothing, and love is rolling down your face. As you floway, as you flo away, as you fly away, as you flow, as you flood, as you flood, as you flood, as you flood, as you flow away.

00:48:47
Speaker 14: Yeah, you can make you fight.

00:48:52
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much. I love that song. Thanks for joining me. It's really great to hang than so nice. Yes yeah yeah, next time a meal or something for sure.

00:49:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:49:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta hang more. Yeah yeah, I'm like, I don't know why it took this long. Yeah, it's a pleasure.

00:49:11
Speaker 12: Thank you, thank you, Yeah, thank you, yay yay.

00:49:16
Speaker 1: Oh thanks for joining us. That was fun. God they're great. They're so good, amazing, amazing, incredible singers, and it was fun. I love their songwriting, don't you.

00:49:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that's why I was crying. I know that the third song that was the one that really got me Me too.

00:49:35
Speaker 1: Two of Us on the Run Well, the first song we did was Final Days from the self titled album Lucius, which came out in twenty twenty five. Second song we did was called Borderline from that same album. The third song where me and Sarah cried it was called Two of Us on the Run from Wild a Woman, released in twenty thirteen, and the fourth song called Woman from Nudes in twenty eighteen. God, I love that song too, Woma so powerful.

00:50:06
Speaker 3: I know, It's so good.

00:50:09
Speaker 1: Special thanks to Lucius for joining us today. Thank you, and we'll be back next week with my old friend, one of my oldest friends and incredible songwriter, Richard Julian. Norah Jones is Playing Along. Is a production of iHeart Podcasts. I'm your Host Norah Jones. This episode was recorded by Matt Marinelli, Video by heck More Media, mixed by Jamie Landry. Additional video and video editing by Kay Loggins. Audio post production and mastering by Greg Toler. Artwork by Eliza Frye. Photography by Shervin Linez. Produced by Norah Jones and Sarah Oda Executive producers Aaron Wan Kaufman and Jordan Rentog marketing lead Queenankey, thanks for listening.