Berrios ditched Blue Jays during WS, Mets offering Pete Alonso 3 years? Dodgers win Díaz bid, Orioles & Reds big offers for Schwarber

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Speaker 1: All right, let's charge the mound and get back to the Edwin Diaz fallout. We have some word on how this went down, so we mentioned this in the Ken Rosenthal segment. I think it's worth bringing up again. The Mets were a few million off crafts. They said, hey, we've got room here, come back to us. He said, you better give us your best shot. Went to the Dodgers. That's how free agency works. You don't sure is it potentially respectful to allow the team that's paid you a lot of money and had you there to get their last best offer. But he has the right as a free agent most major league players. Let's say you get picked out of high school or international draft signing right like, you don't get the free agency for essentially a decade. If you get signed not longer, he doesn't owe you ship.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, also, I'm gonna say this like he's been on the Mets. He knows what the Mets are about.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: As much as this is gonna pay Mets fans to hear it, he's just watched the Dodgers win two World Series in a row. They needed a closer. They offered him more money he wanted to go to la because what have we talked about. It's a destination he chose, he made his choice. It's nothing against the Mets, and I'm sure he'll come out and say it's nothing against the Mets. He got more money, he got a better deal, and he's going to a place it's won back to back World Series championships. Good for him, that's it. Good for him.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry Mets fans, but good for him.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm gonna double down on Mets fans here. If it's only three million that he made the choice, he probably didn't like it as much as three million is out there, Like three million dollars is in the scope of how much he's made already. You're talking a guy that's made over one hundred million dollars or will have made over one hundred million dollars in his career. He's been there, he's enjoyed it. He had success in Seattle, was part of a big trade over there, saw what happens when you don't do well, and then has been lights out since he's been there. I just maybe it's not all peaches and cream like it's you know, like it's shown on the outside, and ultimately aj Will. I assume AJ will gree with me. When you're a player and you're talking about sixty six or sixty nine million dollars, what's the second what's the second price? You want a ring, and you want as many rings as possible. And I think he knows he can go and chase that with the Dodgers, and maybe he could have chased it with the Mets. But he knows he could have chased that with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: And I guess he didn't want to play where he goes to the Mets and says, hey, I've got another team, or maybe even says.

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Speaker 2: How many times do you have to go back to the Mets. He's like, I have a better offer. Make me your best offer. You can't just keep going back to the team and saying I want to stay here so badly. Make me your best offer. I have a better offer on the table. I'm not telling you what team. You can probably guess make me your best offer. And if they don't do it, then that's on them. They clearly they chose Devin Williams over Edwin deal.

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Speaker 1: Kratz. The Mets won the one Soto Sweet Sakes last year that involves much more than just you know, a GM combo. David Stearns was running the Brewers. This was not what he did there. They don't do that. The Bruers won't do any of this.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: What's the narrative around the Brewers this offseason? Will they trade Freddy Perraulton?

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Speaker 3: That right?

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Speaker 1: They're looking at expiring contracts that are looming and how they should operate with either keeping them or trading them. They don't even have to call people like this. I don't want to say a lack of experience, but what do you think of his approach so far?

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Speaker 3: I mean, our narrative changed in June. Our narrative change I think May twentieth when the starting pitching became what we thought they were going to become. But we have to make sure everybody knows that we're putting David Stearns in this like Okay, his owner wants to spend or can spend like the Dodgers. David Sterns is not like all the other gms which are way down here, who have owners that are just like Nope, nope, do not spend, do not spend. David Stearns has a formula. He has a theory based loosely on the fact that he doesn't want to go very bad.

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Speaker 5: Stop.

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Speaker 2: I have someone that wants to say hi to you. I don't know if you can hear them. Can you see who this is?

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Speaker 3: Hired me and fired me?

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Speaker 5: He said, he hired you, hired him and fired him.

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Speaker 3: That's one decision was good.

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Speaker 4: The firing. Clearly, he was good for us, Neil.

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Speaker 3: Huntington, for everybody who is just listening.

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Speaker 1: But you do help.

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Speaker 3: But like this, this is what Steve Cohen has signed up to allow his general manager to do. Clearly, Steve Cohen went, We're gonna get Wan Soto. I want to make my mark. I want to put my foot down and say New York is a Mets town, which is still not yet until they win a World Series or three. And David Stearns is brought in to kind of be that guy who's he's very like people said when he got hired, he's a kid in a candy store. Well, he understands that there's cavities that come with candy. He understands all that stuff. And I think I think it is going to be his legacy in New York if it doesn't work out that he wasn't willing to make the big splash that might look stupid in three years, but is very very much worth it the first two years of a contract.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to a former met in Stephen mattz aj We're on the show right now and everything can be heard. But that's okay. Hey, we're on the show. Hello, we can hear just for everyone. They are heard him along the globe. So the bike's picking it up.

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Speaker 3: Just I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Warning the masses quick, Stephen mattz He signed uh two years, raise raiser doing something two years.

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Speaker 4: It was two years.

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Speaker 1: We saw that we'll let Crats go first on this.

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Speaker 3: One good pickup. I was surprised it was two years, and not because Steven Matts isn't worth it, because he's definitely made himself into the Swiss Army knife kind of pitcher in his career now. I was just looking it up. In his career, he has one hundred and seventy two games, started a lot of them early, but he saved two games last year. He's coming out of the bullpen majority from twenty four and twenty five. To me, he's never been He was never when he was a starter He's never a guy that was giving you seven or eight innings, and I think teams have kind of seen this value. And anytime the Rays give a pitcher a two year deal, you say, what are they gonna do with them? Well, the value is not to me, the value in Steven Mattz is not gonna be in the bullpen as much as that's how he was used last year with Boston and Saint Louis. To me, I think they're gonna try to do like a zach Eflin type of deal where we're gonna get you to start. We're seeing this value and I'd be surprised if he plays more than a full season with the race.

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Speaker 4: I love this. This is what the Rays did.

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Speaker 2: They find these guys and next thing you know, Steven Mats will throw two hundred and twenty, just throw all breaking balls. I don't know the race we're gonna they're all knuckleballs or.

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Speaker 4: So the Rays will do something. This is what we talk about. You receive the match.

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Speaker 3: Two years is nice man.

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Speaker 2: Two years is his age good for him and he's a value guy. He proved his value for He figured some roll out that's been really nice.

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Speaker 1: Kratz. Things are happening. You want to talk me through what Ken Rosenthal put out there. The Orioles match the Phillies offer to Kyle Schwarber, and the Reds were also at five years for Swarber. So we continue to get more coming out about what went down. The problem I have here is that you know you're gonna have to beat the Phillies, and I know that's not exactly how it works. It's not like Kyle goes to them and says, hey, here's my number, although that does often happen in negotiations where he's like, I'm at this. Sometimes the other side doesn't believe that person or that rep But I think that it went along the lines of I'm at this, can you beat it? And clearly those teams did not choose to beat it. I give a ton of credit to them for at least going five years. You knew that was what it was going to take. I'll continue to shit on the Pirates for not being real. I disagree with Ken, our buddy on that whole situation, But thoughts on the Orioles and the Reds being in the running for Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 3: I love that the Orioles made the same offer. Now people hear it as oh, well, he shows the Phillies over the I'm sure the Phillies said, go to free agency. Whatever you're offered, bring it back to us and we'll match it. That shows that Kyle wanted to play in Philly again. Kyle enjoys what they've built and not quite finished yet. Had they won the World Series this year, maybe maybe Schwarber's like, you know what, I'll go somewhere else and see what else there is out there. We'll never know. But the fact that the Orioles made the same offer, the fact that the Reds made the same offer. What do both of those teams have position player wise? Young players who are trying to establish themselves in the big leagues and they understand what kind of value Kyle Schwarber brings to a roster of young guys. Could he make both of those teams better? One? Could he make both of those teams better for more than the five years that he's there. Absolutely, Because anytime that you're able to dive into, you know, the psyche of a Gunner Henderson who was a top three MVP candidate and then started off the season a little bit injured, and you're able to say, Hey, this is how I approached this guy, this is how I dealt with the fact that my second year, third year, fifth year in the league, Lefty started feeding me more sliders and I used to take the ball the other way. Schwarber will bring so much information to a team like that. As Orioles fans, you got to be excited about it. And I'm not going to trash on these offers because they got to the five years. Was it enough money? No? But was it ever going to be enough money? Had they gone to one sixty, that's ten million more, Schubert probably would have gone to mister Middleton and the Phillies and said, I just got one sixty. What do you got? So I don't think they would have ever gotten there. But to me as an Orioles fan and a Reds fan, it shows me is there's somebody else on the market that I can now say, Okay, they're willing to go. Let's say it's one forty, or for the Orioles it was one fifty. Who can we go and add to this lineup? Or for the Orioles probably needed more in the rotation. Who can we add to the rotation for one hundred and fifty million. See if the Oriols do it, because they did it last year. They made the offer last year to Corbyn Burns and it was short. I think they knew it was going to be short, but it was short.

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Speaker 1: So here's the deal with how things work. Once a player ends up signing somewhere and then the losing offers come out, the teams want those to get out. They want their fan base to know that they were in it. They tried, they put good money out there, and they should that's great. The other side of the coin is the fan base looks and says, okay, so you've got that, where's it going now? Like you mentioned, okay, let's take some of that. Let's look for pitching. Where is it going now? I don't know how the Orioles look at their roster and feel like they've got a winning pitching staff or even anything close to it.

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Speaker 3: Do you not at all? And it shows you where Michaelias is okay spending money. Who did he go out and get last year? Sigano. He tried to get Burns, but they were like, we don't want to get you know, we'll get too deep into a contract there. So we can't. We just can't play in the max freed market. We can't play in the We got a trade for our pitchers because he's risk adverse on pitching. He went out and got Tyler O'Neill was his biggest expenditure in the offseason, like another position player. Clearly, Michael Ias says, I'm good with just just paying for a position player, a lot less risk to me, you gotta this is the time to strike and push like you pushed for Kyle Schwarber, push for a starting pitcher, not just pushing for Trek Scooble and say, uh, you know, we couldn't get Trek Skuble away from the Tigers because we didn't want to get rid of four of our top prospects.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, good call, got some other things I'll float your way as it's coming through. The Edwin Diaz contract has deferrals in it, and it's for four and a half million dollars per year. According to Joel Sherman. That puts the luxury tax number at around twenty one million per season. So shot, there's deferrals in the deal. The Mets also had deferrals in the deal for Edwin Diaz eventually we'll get the number. Usually they come up with the number the net present value, which is important and I can talk all about it because AJ is not on right now and he doesn't understand how that works. But twenty one million dollars per year for three years is how much they end up getting Edwin Diaz for right, And we saw that Devin Williams was three point fifty ish with all the deferral mish mash right. Yes, So I mean again I don't have final math numbers, and there's different comps the Players Association versus the luxury packs number, those numbers are all different, right, But the point is Edwin Diaz essentially signed for a very similar number to Devin Williams. I don't understand that one.

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Speaker 3: It's it's not similar. It's definitely about four million, four million year different. So there's that's significant. That is significant. But what's not significant? But yeah, it is like just the sheer number of saves, the sheer numbers of two guys that came off of platform years. You talk about Edwin Diaz had a one six y three is era plus last year was I mean, this isn't even it's not even fair. Eer plus is a little bit different for relievers, but it was a two forty eight ERA plus last year. And you look at it. Devin Williams, who has you're talking about Edwin Diaz has two hundred and fifty three career saves. Devin Williams had a down year. He doesn't even have one hundred saves yet. So you're looking at it and you say, Okay, his ERA plus last year was eighty five. So the fact that the numbers are close, I am so surprised at the MET. I mean, the numbers are not close. I'm surprised that the numbers. As far as financially, the Mets would not bring back Edwin Diaz.

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Speaker 1: I just don't. Yeah, like you already had him here, Kratz. I'd rather pay a little bit more and get the commodity that I know. It's not that Devin Williams is bad. And yes, I know his stuff was good, but his results were not great. I know it was a rocky start, but his results were not great, and he felt like he figured out how to pitch in New York. Okay, until the next adversity strikes. For me, I don't think there is a I don't think there's a comparison here for what would have made sense for the Mets to lock down their ninth inning.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: We did not see a full brilliant season from Devin Williams. We saw flashes. We saw guys reaching down for his change up and turning it into Knox when that didn't happen in the past. Again, really good picture, good stuff. I like Edwin Diaz way better. And this leads us to Anthony Nacomo reporting on pet Alnzo, who is here today in Orlando, not meeting with the Mets. They already know each other very well. But Anthony Dicomo said he covers the Mets for MLB. He said the sticking point between the Mets. Oh no, this was from Mark finesand actually who also inside of f MLB. Mark said the sticking point between the Mets and Alonzo could very well be years, as sources say the Mets baby hesitant to go more than three years with the first baseman. Okay, well, it's about to get swiped again, like do you want him or not? I mean they want him at a certain level. I think another team should jump in for someone like him too. It's not just first. I think he can age well as a designated hitter, don't you.

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Speaker 3: It's not like you have a designated hitter already, Like, why would he? To me, somebody has to answer me why a five year deal would not play well? Why is that because of what happened to Jose Braden, because of what happened to other guy? Like there's no team that knows Pete better than the Mets, and there's no team that knows the Mets better than Pete Alonzo. To me, you've lost two cornerstone pieces of this recent this recent build of Mets, and I think I think you can't miss out on Pete. I don't know where. Where do they go? They're gonna say, well, we'll put Mark, We'll put Vientos's Vientos is twenty two to twenty seven home runs over at first base, Like you're just going to create a first basement because you don't want to give Pete two extra years on top of what makes you uncomfortable, Like three years. Well, yeah, it's great if you can get the deal for three years, but do you want him? Do you want him? And can you replace guaranteed forty homers at first base?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring aj into this conversation. So since you've been gone, but you've been gone exactly, I did that for you. We learned that there are four and a half million dollars a year in deferrals in Edmund Diez's deal, so it's more like a three year sixty ish, So it's pretty damn close to the Devin Williams three year fifty right. But moving to Pee Alonzo, where Mark Finesan reported, I'm just explaining the money. We already talked about that when you were gone. But Mark Finesand said, it sounds like years are going to be a hang up for Mets and Pete Alonzo at three years, and I'm like, Pete Alonzo's two years younger than Kyle Schwarber. I know that he wants to play first base, but he absolutely can be a DH whether it's next year or beyond four or five years. For Pee Alonzo, for example, one forty four ops plus this past season thirty eight homers. Kyle Schwarber hit many more the Mets ballpark wise, it's probably top five pitchers park and he's putting up numbers like that. Schwarber's one fifty ops plus in terms of the way that the that you wait average right against the league and the ballpark. Peter Alonzo and Kyle Schwarber were pretty close this past season.

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Speaker 2: And also, let's not forget we were giving Schwarber all this love for his clubhouse presidence and all that. Peter Alonzo from what you when you talk to people on the Mets, pee A. Lonzo ain't far behind, like his clubhouse presidents and what he brings to that team every day, the energy and all that stuff.

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Speaker 5: I listen.

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Speaker 4: I love Pete Alonso. I think he's he's an unbelievable player.

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Speaker 5: I just I don't know. I can't believe the Mets.

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Speaker 2: Just Uncle Stevie, he needs to open that checkbook and just finish this.

00:20:35
Speaker 1: I just think that David Stearns and his staff don't love the profile.

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Speaker 5: But Dave, okay, So what does David Searns love.

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Speaker 1: The Brewers?

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Speaker 5: I'm serious, Like christ you know him better than I do. What does he love?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 5: Like? What's his He said he doesn't love the profile? What what does he love?

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Speaker 3: I think he likes finding finding value in places, and I think he's being a very good steward of his money. He is not he is not just going and spending frivolously because he doesn't want to put the Mets in a situation five ten years down the road where they're hamstrung. And he's I'm assuming, I'm just this is not anything he's told me. I'm assuming he sees other organizations that could be set up for something down the road where it's not necessarily a good look. You know, you're an aging roster. To me, there's gotta be some kind of kind of like what Michaelias is doing down in Baltimore. There's got to be some kind of give and take. You got to go outside of your comfort bubble and maybe maybe him and Stevie Cohen. Uncle Stevie said, look, we're definitely doing the wan Soto. I don't care what money it takes. We're doing it. And Stearns was like, that's fine. I just want you to know that I'm not going to act like that. I'm not gonna push. I'm not gonna push like that because I don't think it is worth it, and I have history that says it's not worth it. But the reality is New York Mets need to start winning, and if they don't start winning, some of these negotiations all of a sudden, you're gonna be looking at one Soto and Lindor. Like the team all of a sudden doesn't have a whole lot because we've seen they need a lot of pitching. But if you get rid of Nemo, I think twenty five or twenty seven home runs, you don't re sign Pete. Now that's forty plus every single year. You're all of a sudden, like you shouldn't be claiming guys off of the DFA list to fill out your roster when you're in New York and you have Uncle Stevie's money.

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Speaker 1: And they're not. I mean, they have good prospects, their farm systems in a good place right now, but as you saw at the end of last year, it's more tilted towards pitching. In mind, they love this guy Carson Benz who's now filler have Jet Williams. So there's two guys, right, but maybe one of them works out where they're a really productive player. I'm just playing the math game on prospects. Okay, still got a lot to fill for a team that has the top three payroll, A.

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Speaker 2: Lot of holes because when you because when you sign a Wan Soto that there's so much that's already involved there, and then you have already have Lindor and then you trade for Simeon. I know it's kind of a wash with the NEMO, but there's three guys that are making throwing McNeil and you throw in all these I mean, right there, three guys, you have one hundred million.

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Speaker 3: So I'll put this, I'll put this back at you, guys. Scott. You asked Darraffneckmark, and you asked us who would you rather have Dz or Pete Alonzo. Here's my question, who would you rather have Framber Valdez or Pete Alonzo? Because clearly, right now, as we're sitting here today December ninth, the Mets have to choose. Your answer is going to be both. The Mets clearly are showing who do you want? Who do you want Framber for six or seven years or Pete for five?

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Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez just because I think Framber needs to go to a smaller market, but I think it's the same concept. Well, I would say the Toronto Blue Jays are the talk of the off season for now.

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Speaker 4: Schnyder's right there, Kraill.

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Speaker 1: Schneider right here, Dylan getting signed there you go. Cody Ponce was signed by this team, not as well known of a name, but could be a big impact guy too. We're seeing what the deals with them with Kyle Tucker and Boba Chet. But wait, they also might shed a player off their roster. We learned a little bit more about Jose Brios's situation. Did you guys see this? He was pissed about being left off the roster all that I also heard.

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Speaker 4: About those people. It's crazy. I went through this before. Kratz.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever were on a team where you were left I was in twenty fourteen. I was on the Cardinals and Mike Metheni called me and said, hey, we're leaving you off the ALDS or NLDS roster. And I said okay, and he goes, you have the choice. You can go with the team or you can you can go home. And I'm like, I'm part of the team. I'm going with the team to La right. So I flew and cheered my ass off and we won that series and the next series. Guess what I had to play because yacht he got hurt, right, So I don't understand that he wasn't there. He like for the LCS, I think, and the World Series.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ross Atkins spoke like what yesterday he said he was removed from the rotation, not with the days during the World Series. Disappointed he wasn't in the rotation. I mean, he said in the quote, handled it well on why he wasn't seen much in the postseason. Think he was just having a tough time.

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. I get it. You're pissed, But then you get your you get your two days. You guys had days off. You're told you're not on the playoff roster. You gave everything you had this season, your thirty one starts. You know what, you stay ready. Maybe there's another round that you do need to be needed in, Like they sure as heck don't want to call somebody up from the minor leagues to fill the spot if they're like you, stay ready. A team win a victory in the World's winning the World Series is not done just by the twenty six guys that are on that roster. It's guys that were there for half a season, Guys that were there for an entire season and get left off the roster because a roster construction, like you need to be the best. That's a perfect time to be the best teammate. And if you're pissed good, be ready, be around, be available. So I get it. It's tough, but the Blue Jays they're clearly focused on wanting to win a World Series. And if he's won, that is like, hey, you know what, I'm not willing to what did stromanshay? What did Stroman say last year in spring training? I'm not a reliever. I'm a starter. Like if there's if you know, if he's willing to draw a line in the sand, then you know he might not be on this team by from what from what we're from what we're hearing from Ken.

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Speaker 4: My whole thing is why why do you? I understand it? Kind of a crowd said, do you understand? You're mad?

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Speaker 2: But you still have been on this team for a long time and you battled with these guys the entire year and years going back, and here's your chance to enjoy. Even if you're not on the field, you still have a chance to be around your guys and help out. Maybe you can say something to a pitcher or a hitter, Hey I saw this or I noticed this right, one little thing that might change a game and help them win. Be there for that. Be a cheerleader, cheer your ass off. I remember went, like I said, twenty fourteen and the Ods. I cheered my ass off for the Cardinals. And I was only there for a few months, but I was locked in and descalso and John Jay and Adam, Wayne Right and Mad those guys are friends for life because we went through that together and we didn't win, but we were there and I was there, Like, this is what you don't want to miss.

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Speaker 3: Man.

00:28:07
Speaker 2: You play your whole freaking life to get a chance to go the World Series. Whether you're on the roster or not, you're in the World Series and you can help your brothers in the fight. I'm sorry, but this is just a bad look man, Like you gotta be especially now.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I'll say this, I.

00:28:27
Speaker 2: Think do we lose us, But I'll say this, like, if you're the twenty you know, thirtieth guy or whatever, Okay, great, but this guy was a part.

00:28:42
Speaker 4: Of their rotation for years, Like he should be there.

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Speaker 2: He should be in that dugout, he should be on those flights, he should be in those meetings. Because again, maybe Pete Walker sees something and Burrio sees something different and he's like, I saw this, I faced this guy this one time, and this pitch worked and it might help us win the World Series.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

00:29:00
Speaker 4: It's just about being there for your boys.

00:29:02
Speaker 3: Man.

00:29:03
Speaker 1: He was with the club through the end of the Alcs and then he left before the World Series.

00:29:09
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, you got to the World Series. You can't sit there for another ten days.

00:29:12
Speaker 4: At the most.

00:29:13
Speaker 1: I'm like in pain even learning the news like that.

00:29:16
Speaker 2: I know, because all I've heard about Brios was what a great dude you was, What a great teammate he was.

00:29:22
Speaker 1: You can't baby at that point in life, right, You guys always say you're doing this, it's.

00:29:27
Speaker 4: Not about you at that point. It's not about craps. It's not about you at that point. It is about your team winning the ultimate prize, which is the World Series. It's not about you.

00:29:36
Speaker 2: Like, no matter what your feelings are at that point, your feelings go out to win it. Remember we talked to Max Muncie and they won the World Series last year and he went, oh for the World Series, and you know what he said, nobody gives a shit because we won the World Series and nobody remembers that I didn't get a hit, and this year, right, they won the World Series again, and guess what, whoever didn't have a World I don't even know who had good World Series?

00:29:57
Speaker 4: Who did?

00:29:57
Speaker 2: Obviously we know who the MVP is, Yamamoto and all this and that, but I can't tell you who got hits and who did it.

00:30:03
Speaker 4: All I know is the Dodgers won. Doesn't matter. Winning cures everything.

00:30:07
Speaker 1: One fan replied on a tweet when this quote got out there, and they were like, if the Blue Jays had won, does he want to ring because he doesn't even want to be there. He doesn't give a shit. I'm sorry, you gotta be harsh about that. You tell me, how would this go? How would this go? Guy that's been there for a while, pretty nice guy. All of a sudden you get this curve ball where you're trying to focus on winning a World Series and he's not even there.

00:30:32
Speaker 4: I'm saying, it's not about you at that point.

00:30:34
Speaker 2: You do every you throw everything you can into those seven games series. If it's gonna be seven games to win four games, you.

00:30:42
Speaker 4: You literally when people say.

00:30:44
Speaker 2: Like this is an extreme, I died for that, Like you literally you're hurt, you're this. You throw every ounce of energy that you have in your soul at that for those ten games, and you say, I am ten games, ten days, seven games, every ounce of focus. I love your family, I love your mom and dad, I love your wife, kids, all that, but my focus for the next ten days is on these seven games.

00:31:09
Speaker 4: And it's not about you.

00:31:10
Speaker 2: It's about the twenty five other dudes, the coaches, and all the people that got you that one.

00:31:15
Speaker 1: What if someone got hurt in the World Series and he could have rescued them.

00:31:19
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

00:31:19
Speaker 1: You're not there. You're get you're getting paid prats to do that. Butse A Brios makes a lot of money. You're not there. I'm actually surprised that you can't find or suspend.

00:31:32
Speaker 3: Or do something.

00:31:33
Speaker 1: Clearly, the Blue Jays are taking the high road. He can just be like cool, I'm out. He's on the roster. He's not on the playoff roster, but he's on the freaking team.

00:31:42
Speaker 3: Why are you saying not because he's not getting paid Technically the championship season is like, technically, you wouldn't have to stay if you're not an active player. I remember one year I got I wasn't take I wasn't put on the roster for the one for the one series and they were like, do you want to go down to Florida and stay ready? I was like, no, I want to stay ready with the team here, Like there's nothing that mimics the environment that if something happens, I have to come back and be ready, Like I don't think they have to. I don't think that if you're not on the roster, they don't have to mandate that you're there like a fine or anything. But it's gonna change. It's gonna change a little bit. In the moment, none of his teammates are sitting there going, oh, man, I wish Josey was here. I wish he was here. And maybe that makes him feel bad because he's like, oh, I'm not even a part of this. But everything aj said is exactly spot on. But now this year, if he is not traded, how does that make them feel? I'll tell you, when the dust settles, you sit there and you know who had your back, who was who was riding with the boys, what those people did. There's different levels of every you know, some starters think that the bench guys don't really have that big a piece to this. Some bench guys think that the guys in the stay hot camp don't have a piece to it. But every single person that has something to do with this team getting to Game seven, getting to one out in the top of the ninth inning in Game seven of the World Series with a lead, has something to do with that moment, and it's important anybody that bails on that. And at the end of the day you sit back and you're like, wait a minute, he bailed on us. What happened? What if It's like the old dumb and dumber skit, like what if they had shot you in the face. We were willing to take that risk. What if somebody what if Trey you Savage gets hurt in his first outing and they need another starter. You think they're just going to Louis v Arland. No, they want a starter. Hosey, where are you not there? You didn't choose.

00:33:54
Speaker 1: Preparing for the World Series?

00:33:57
Speaker 2: But again, you work your whole life. He's ever been to the World Series. He got to the World Series. Even if you're not there, go there and soak up the moment. Sit in Toronto in the dugout and just look around and be and just wow. I'm in the game seven of the World Series. I'm not playing, but I at least I got the best seat in the house. I'm in the dugout on one of the teams fighting for a championship.

00:34:21
Speaker 4: It'll help, It'll help you down the road because at least you get to soak in the environment.

00:34:24
Speaker 1: They would love to trade him. I would. I will promise you that they would love to trade him. This does not get mended easily. And he is coming off a bad year, right, Yeah, he was in the fours. Expected number of peripheral kind of stuff was even worse that the front offices. Look at he's owed three years sixty six million dollars. He has not that after next season, He's not going to do that. He's probably worth I mean right now, he's more along the lines of back end starter.

00:34:52
Speaker 4: So he's hurt. Wasn't he hurt though?

00:34:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was an elbow issue late, but he I mean not the whole year. As far as I know, he's crats in a free agent market right now. I think he signs for maybe like two twenty or one fifteen or something like that. Right he doesn't get offered a qualifying offer. Okay, fifteen to seventeen, So fifteen to seventeen on one year. That's how teams are gonna evaluate. There's sixty six million dollars left, so the Blue Jays would have to pay most of that money down. And now you also just got this little tidbit.

00:35:25
Speaker 2: This reminds me Scratch just I don't know, Scott won't get Scott kind of will get this analogy. This reminds me of Notre Dame going, we're not going to the championship, So we're gonna take our ball and go home because we didn't get what we wanted. So we're just gonna not play in a bowl game because we'll show you, guys how important we are by not going to the Pop Tard Bowl.

00:35:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody cares.

00:35:45
Speaker 4: No, but you're happy because Miami's in.

00:35:48
Speaker 1: They beat their ass.

00:35:49
Speaker 4: Sorry, I know, I agree. Yeah, you don't like it? Play better?

00:35:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know, guys, I mean it sounds like you're disappointed. I would be downright furious if I'm the organization. How about the front office?

00:36:03
Speaker 4: How about the other guy's spent millions.

00:36:04
Speaker 2: On thisast starter went to the bullpen yeahd did special things for him, helped him get to Game seven, right, I mean, actuers are nutted up bigger than anybody. Velocity up found feeling in his thumb, all that stuff. I mean, these guys, they fought there till the end, literally till the end.

00:36:24
Speaker 1: I don't want him showing back up in the clubhouse because the Blue Jays have such great vibes. I know that Jose's nice and whatever, but to me, it's one of those things that you never escape from. Reputation wisecrats, and it's one thing for him to change scenery and then just go somewhere else, but to be back with that same team after that incident. And it's not even just like one thing where he got in a fight with someone. It's like you made a conscious decision and every day you just decided, Nope, screw this team. I'm gonna be home. I think even if they have to eat eighty percent of the contract I'm trading him.

00:36:57
Speaker 3: I don't think they have to eat that much of the contract. I think they're is value. We've seen it. There's value in the fact that since twenty eighteen he has made every one of his starts, and so you know he's pitching through things, whether his peripherals are down or they're up. Yes, the value is not there in that sense. But he's made every one of his starts for the last seven full seasons so.

00:37:22
Speaker 4: Till this year, until this.

00:37:23
Speaker 3: Year, thirty one, thirty thirty starts.

00:37:27
Speaker 4: But at the end he had elbow Okay, so I have an elbow thing.

00:37:35
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:37:35
Speaker 1: See, My thing is, didn't we didn't. We all have the indication that he was hurt. The elbow thing was holding him back in the postseason, so everyone said, And it doesn't sound like that was the case here.

00:37:48
Speaker 3: But my thing is, never in his career has he ever been passed over, not been the guy. And this is the first time this has come up. I might be willing to him a pass. I might be willing to give him a pass. Not with the Blue Jays, the Blue Jays, Pete Walker, John Schneider, They're gonna have to be the ones that makes make the decision, you know, based on how he truly handled it. We're only hearing some of the background stuff. They know all the information. To me, another team has to be willing to say, well, we didn't have anybody that made all thirty two starts. Let's check the health stuff. Let's see why he missed his last start of the season, see why they left him off. And I'm willing to take a shot now, I bet, I bet they can find somebody that will easily pay forty forty five million for three years. To me, that that's a deal for some that's a steal for somebody. That's now, that's gonna make us thirty two starts.

00:38:51
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. And I'll tell you why right now. He's a free agent. Would you get a qualifying offer? I don't think he would. Okay, no qualifying offer hits free agency? What does he get? You think you would get a qualifying offer?

00:39:04
Speaker 3: Crats before before all this stuff came out, one hund oh jays.

00:39:13
Speaker 1: He's pitching. I mean he pitched like he pitched like a five this year. He's off for five season. There's a thirty five star.

00:39:21
Speaker 3: Starter he's getting for what he's done. He's getting four years. He's getting four years in about eighteen a year now. That would put him that would put him rate at the qualifying offer. You know, if you don't get more than fifty sixty million, then teams are like you know, like the Paveta issue that Paveta had. You know, teams are leery with a qualifying offer, but through this dude shows up and shows out his era plus, his era plus. The last five years has been one twenty five now I'm sorry, one twenty two, one seventeen, one fourteen, and this year would have been a platform year one oh two. He's still going to pitch for you at the age thirty two season. I do think that until this came out, I do think he would have received a qualifying offer from a team.

00:40:12
Speaker 1: Okay, so Jose Burrios to the Astros and the Blue Jays eat about half of the contract. The Astros are not going to bid for a big money starter. We saw a report yesterday from Chandler Rome and Ken Rosenthal that they're interested in Shane Boz, who costs like a few million bucks. But it's not necessarily going to be easy to pluck him away. This is someone who I think the Blue Jays desperately would like to move. They need to make up starts innings. Franbervaldez filled it up for them in the rotation. The only guy that's coming back for them that went like one hundred, whatever, thirty or forty, there's a number in there. The only guy that really put real innings together this past season for them that's coming back is Hunter Brown. What are you doing with the rest?

00:40:54
Speaker 4: I'm trying to find someone else to fill their rotation.

00:40:56
Speaker 1: Thanks a good fit.

00:40:57
Speaker 4: Okay, I ain't met at that one.

00:41:01
Speaker 1: Okay, let's move to Don Mattingly. Our reporter in Pennsylvania right now, Eric Kratz has more on what seems like an obvious fit. Kratz Don Mattingley the new bench coach for the Phillies. I know it's not official yet, but it sounds like it's gonna happen. Todd's a LeKi Our Philly Show guy said that they have mutual interest, and it sounds like a matter of when not if.

00:41:28
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, this is it. You figured out what they couldn't do in the playoffs. Don Mattingly, Phillies World Series champion. Lock it in, love it, No, this is great. I mean, Shoot Topper was with the I think Topper was with the Yankees when Donnie Baseball was still playing. I'd have to look back at when Topper first started with the Yankees organization, but he might have been there when Donnie Baseball was playing. But yeah, I mean he's he's clearly when you have two managers on the bench, I don't don't think. I don't. I don't see how it couldn't. I don't see how it couldn't work out. I mean, nothing was to me in a World Series. It's always heartbreaking to see the team lose. But when you start seeing like pictures of Boba Schett, like coming up to Don Mattingly and holding his up, putting his arm around him, you know, you know how much it is, how much how much he's coached, played all that stuff and still not won a World Series. He got there finally, but he hasn't won one. So now this is this is the chance, This is it. Donnie Baseball brings the Phillies to the World Series.

00:42:35
Speaker 1: Boom, there you go.