TLF Tackles TMZ: The "Real" Hulk Hogan

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<v Speaker 5>up the tribute that justifies that pays homage to that
<v Speaker 5>is befitting of the impact that Hull Cogan made, and
<v Speaker 5>we'll be rolling that out in the next little while.
<v Speaker 5>But while we're in the laboratory trying to figure out
<v Speaker 5>how to attack this gargantuan career, we can't stop the
<v Speaker 5>rest of the world boss from putting out documentaries, from
<v Speaker 5>doing things that you know, are the first drafts of history.
<v Speaker 5>We're in a post Hull Cogan world and the survivors
<v Speaker 5>are trying to now start to write the history.
<v Speaker 2>You know, honestly, can TMZ should just be like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the I'm trying to think of a
<v Speaker 2>way to say it, like with their initials, but they
<v Speaker 2>just they just want to put the shit out there first.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, very much. So they don't they don't care,
<v Speaker 2>they don't care necessarily about the quality or the substance.
<v Speaker 2>They just want to get it out first.
<v Speaker 5>TMZ presents the real Hull Coogan and before we launch
<v Speaker 5>the complete Hulkogan here at the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast
<v Speaker 5>and put down what, of course will be the final
<v Speaker 5>word on Hulk Hogan's legacy and in and out of
<v Speaker 5>the ring, but way more so in the ring than
<v Speaker 5>you ever could have imagined. We thought, perhaps it's a
<v Speaker 5>bit of a preamble to the forthcoming complete Hull Cogan
<v Speaker 5>series that we just put this first attempt at summing
<v Speaker 5>up Hulk's life and times under the microscope for you all.
<v Speaker 5>Consider it again, a bit of a preamble to the
<v Speaker 5>Complete Hulk Hogan. TMZ just released their Hull Cogan docu series,
<v Speaker 5>which got docky series. Documentary's an hour long, forty five
<v Speaker 5>minutes with commercials, and got a lot of attention because
<v Speaker 5>Vince McMahon sat for an interview. Yeah, the first time
<v Speaker 5>I think he's done such a thing since announcing the
<v Speaker 5>sale of ww DO Endeavor on that WrestleMania weekend, and
<v Speaker 5>certainly the first time we've seen him great length like
<v Speaker 5>this since the allegations really really peaked against him. And
<v Speaker 5>so we're gonna get We're gonna talk about Vince's thoughts
<v Speaker 5>and all that happened with Hulk. Fascinating stuff, he says.
<v Speaker 5>At certain points, Harvey Levin gets to sit in the
<v Speaker 5>chair and kick back, and what a world on where
<v Speaker 5>you can just sit in a room and talk to
<v Speaker 5>a screen. And I mean, you made a documentary.
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I don't know if I even bube
<v Speaker 2>they fucking did that, you know, to be honest with you,
<v Speaker 2>because like if you look at all the interviews, like
<v Speaker 2>at some point they're looking at the camera and then
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden when they cut to the when
<v Speaker 2>they cut to the actual shot, all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>they're looking off camera, Like so, I mean, he's just
<v Speaker 2>pulling some Edward R. Morrow shit, is what he's doing.
<v Speaker 5>You know, I'd go with you if I couldn't see
<v Speaker 5>the little zoom thing in the bottom left hand corner
<v Speaker 5>with their names. I think what happens is he's looking
<v Speaker 5>at the zoom feed and they send an actual professional
<v Speaker 5>videographer to shoot the same person from the side as
<v Speaker 5>he's talking to Harvey over a video.
<v Speaker 2>Call maybe, and I think the video looks too good,
<v Speaker 2>even on the far away over the shoulder shot screen.
<v Speaker 2>For so yeah, I don't know. I just I think
<v Speaker 2>I think it's I think, if I if I were
<v Speaker 2>to guess, they he put all the questions together, and
<v Speaker 2>he sent somebody out there like right away to each
<v Speaker 2>of those people's houses. They fucking did their thing, and
<v Speaker 2>then he comes back and like you know, they he
<v Speaker 2>just asks the questions in a way that seem, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like it's live. You know, he he performs it. He
<v Speaker 2>performs it.
<v Speaker 5>That's why he's and I think that's why it's such
<v Speaker 5>a soft spot for Hulk. I think if there's anybody
<v Speaker 5>who was going to drop everything to do a documentary
<v Speaker 5>about it would be Hulk because Hulk has been so
<v Speaker 5>important at TMC over the years. You know, their coverage
<v Speaker 5>of him and his scandal has brought so much add
<v Speaker 5>revenue into their pockets. It destroyed Gawker, which was a
<v Speaker 5>direct competitor that was really nipping at their heels in
<v Speaker 5>a lot of ways. Hulk, you know, and his people
<v Speaker 5>would always slip them exclusives or deep background comments. They
<v Speaker 5>clearly are in with Brooke and her side of the equation.
<v Speaker 5>They were right in the middle of all the coverage
<v Speaker 5>of the Hulk Linda divorce. We'd spent so much time
<v Speaker 5>during the Teenage Journey talking about TMZ and the things
<v Speaker 5>Hulk would say there when he wouldn't be talking to
<v Speaker 5>anybody else. Remember, we even found an email from Dixie
<v Speaker 5>Carter that came up in his lawsuit against Laser Spine
<v Speaker 5>where she's urging him to not do this TMZ interview
<v Speaker 5>right right in the middle of all this controversy about
<v Speaker 5>his sex tape, and TMZ had a hold on this guy. Man,
<v Speaker 5>he hal Cogan was the most TMZ character walk in
<v Speaker 5>the face of the earth, the kind of guy who
<v Speaker 5>wasn't quite sure if he was worth anything unless TMZ
<v Speaker 5>had some reason to talk about that month.
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, that's that's it. I mean, you know, he was.
<v Speaker 2>He was one of those kind of Hogan ended up
<v Speaker 2>becoming one of those guys where it's like, as long
<v Speaker 2>as people are talking about you, it's okay, very much so,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like it is it though? Is that I
<v Speaker 2>think he shows that it's not okay, it's not okay.
<v Speaker 2>Actually it's actually bad. It's very bad. I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>I I it was, I don't know. It just it
<v Speaker 2>just seems like a sad existence when that's it. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I think I think it's proven that people can can
<v Speaker 2>live in this. You know, you can live in the
<v Speaker 2>spotlight but also not live in the spotlight. Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and if you have to live in the spotlight all
<v Speaker 2>the time like that, like if you're that desperate for it,
<v Speaker 2>like what do you there's if that's the way you
<v Speaker 2>stay relevant it means you're not relevant. I see, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like there's something off. Yeah, there's no one.
<v Speaker 5>Banging down Hulk's doore, Hulks banging down everybody else's door
<v Speaker 5>exactly by that thing, by this thing come to this
<v Speaker 5>karaoke night. I mean, you know, some would call it
<v Speaker 5>keeping busy in retirement. Others would call it just the
<v Speaker 5>last dying breaths of a lifetime.
<v Speaker 2>Carney, Yes, yeah, yep.
<v Speaker 5>And I wonder how people will come away from this, uh,
<v Speaker 5>this first treatment, this first uh sort of national television
<v Speaker 5>treatment of Hulk's life and times after his passing. I
<v Speaker 5>guess we should just rip the bandaid off off the top. Vince, parents,
<v Speaker 5>what the stat the state of Jamain?
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember? Do you remember when we watched G I.
<v Speaker 2>Joe the movie? Yeah, okay, do you remember Cobra Commander
<v Speaker 2>gets the thing on his like and then he has
<v Speaker 2>to take his mask off, and he looks That's what
<v Speaker 2>he looks like. He looks like Cobra Commander after he
<v Speaker 2>got poisoned with the thing. I mean, he looks awful
<v Speaker 2>in his little fucking like his little skunk spot on
<v Speaker 2>the front in the front of him. What's he doing?
<v Speaker 2>What is he doing? That's my question? What is he doing?
<v Speaker 2>Like just go gray man, like make up your mind
<v Speaker 2>either either either diet black, like what is the like
<v Speaker 2>some the problem is some some prostitute said it looked good.
<v Speaker 2>I see, you know. That's what it comes down to.
<v Speaker 2>Some prostitutes said it looked good, and he's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>well there he is all right, very good, and I'll
<v Speaker 2>do that.
<v Speaker 5>Vince definitely is at a stage of life and has
<v Speaker 5>the kind of money where people are going to compliment him,
<v Speaker 5>but you know, for that exact race, you know, and
<v Speaker 5>he's just gonna be tricked and convinced into like that
<v Speaker 5>the not the different color not in his tie, Like oh,
<v Speaker 5>I know, he he's still doing that. What are you doing?
<v Speaker 5>Didn't that go out in like twenty ten or whatever,
<v Speaker 5>Like he's the only person ever saw go that hard
<v Speaker 5>on it. He's still doing I know. And he's got
<v Speaker 5>his master the logo of his fourteenth and eye or whatever.
<v Speaker 5>This new company, this new LLC he founded plastered on
<v Speaker 5>the wall behind. And this guy thinks he's in business.
<v Speaker 2>He's such a fucking joke.
<v Speaker 5>Did you see the way his cheeks puffed out? How
<v Speaker 5>purple his lips were, Oh, I mean, he looks.
<v Speaker 2>Like if you, if you huge part of the reason
<v Speaker 2>this sex scandal with him is so is that face
<v Speaker 2>because he's repulsive. The skin it's coming, it's it's trying
<v Speaker 2>to escape the collar of issue, right like you wonder
<v Speaker 2>to yourself what happened? You know? You know people, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>look you get sliced alone on there and look he
<v Speaker 2>looks awful too. All right, he looks like but you
<v Speaker 2>know what, he still looks like a fucking human being.
<v Speaker 2>At least he looks like an old man, grandpasted alone.
<v Speaker 2>Vince sick man doesn't look like a human being. It
<v Speaker 2>looks like he's been filled with embalming fluid. He looks
<v Speaker 2>like a reptile. He looks like a reptile.
<v Speaker 5>Like you would see like a loved one that passed away.
<v Speaker 5>And you look in the casket at the funeral and
<v Speaker 5>they don't really look like themselves, just a vague vestige
<v Speaker 5>of what you remember because of all the embalming process.
<v Speaker 5>That's what he looks like. And uh, bless his heart,
<v Speaker 5>but my god, like it's and he's had so much
<v Speaker 5>surgery to try to reverse it. Just let it just age, man,
<v Speaker 5>What are you doing I mean, he just he just
<v Speaker 5>it just it's it. It's scary because it was it's
<v Speaker 5>almost like a night and day thing with him, like
<v Speaker 5>he went from looking like Vince McMahon and all of
<v Speaker 5>a sudden he looks like this beast.
<v Speaker 2>I just I was like, should we do this? Is
<v Speaker 2>this a good idea? And then as soon as I
<v Speaker 2>saw those clips of him, I'm like, this has to
<v Speaker 2>be done. I mean, forget even that the moment that it,
<v Speaker 2>the moment that it started, Honestly, I was like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>this is definitely gonna be worth it because it's just
<v Speaker 2>a it's it's it is. It is beyond fluff. It
<v Speaker 2>is beyond Yeah, for sure. It is just like the
<v Speaker 2>most superficial and listen, you know what, it's it's smart
<v Speaker 2>on their move. People are gonna watch it. It's gonna
<v Speaker 2>probably have more eyes on this documentary than any piece
<v Speaker 2>on Hulk Hogan ever because it's the first one and
<v Speaker 2>that's always going to be a winner. And I get it,
<v Speaker 2>but it just is so stupid. The first four I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you get the first little what five ten minutes is
<v Speaker 2>the is the live discovery of hul Cogan dying, which
<v Speaker 2>is yeah, can.
<v Speaker 5>We talk about the beginning here? I mean Los Angeles, California. Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>and they play like the drivetime radio sound, that classic
<v Speaker 5>like cliche, like the bustling city.
<v Speaker 2>It makes you think of the paper at the beginning
<v Speaker 2>of the paper. It's like but I'm like, I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there's there's a kind of morbidity of
<v Speaker 2>it's like morbid, you know, there's just like it's just
<v Speaker 2>a craven behavior.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, can you imagine that guy who freaks
<v Speaker 5>out on the phone when he's getting the phone call.
<v Speaker 5>Harvey's having his editorial meeting with his fucking uh you know,
<v Speaker 5>stainless steel cup and this guy that stands up with
<v Speaker 5>the polo waving his arms like a madman because he's
<v Speaker 5>got a breaking story. Hogan's dead. Can you imagine that
<v Speaker 5>guy's life? I mean, you think that guy has a
<v Speaker 5>moment's piece, No eight thirty dinners where he like talks
<v Speaker 5>to it. Think think about this, Okay, think about this,
<v Speaker 5>because their entire work day is on the camera, like
<v Speaker 5>what a pathetic existence, texting and then Harvey apparently makes
<v Speaker 5>a call. I don't know who he called, but it
<v Speaker 5>looked to me like he was trying to confirm Hogan's
<v Speaker 5>death by calling someone who he knew could pass the
<v Speaker 5>phone to Hogan and asking them can he can I
<v Speaker 5>ask call something? It's very important, or at least that's
<v Speaker 5>the way they edited together whatever it was he was saying,
<v Speaker 5>which is that's how it came.
<v Speaker 2>Off dark as fuck too. Oh yeah, if that's what
<v Speaker 2>you're going to confirm by saying, Hey, can I talk
<v Speaker 2>to Hulk? And oh no, sorry, he's dead. He can't
<v Speaker 2>come to the phone right now. What a what a
<v Speaker 2>way to start a doc. But you know, it's a
<v Speaker 2>TMZ doc, so it's it's brought to you by this engine,
<v Speaker 2>so he's got to promote it. You expected to be sleazed,
<v Speaker 2>so but it just doesn't. I don't know, you know,
<v Speaker 2>when you first even said because you're the I didn't
<v Speaker 2>know this thing was even happening until you mentioned it
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, wait, TMZ. I was like, that's okay.
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's like it's it's it's going to be
<v Speaker 2>bad and it's stupid. It's going to be it's going
<v Speaker 2>to be like a revisitation of the headlines of his
<v Speaker 2>life and not an examination of the person. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's a resuscitation of like everything anything and
<v Speaker 2>any alert you ever got on your phone about hul Cogan,
<v Speaker 2>That's what this is going to be. It was such yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and that's the thing, you know, it was right,
<v Speaker 2>it was just headlines. It's all it was was headlines.
<v Speaker 2>The whole fucking thing was headline after headline after headline
<v Speaker 2>after headline. It was just lame.
<v Speaker 5>It was Yeah, it was done. It was a commercial thing.
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't done like to be a multi part prestige
<v Speaker 5>TV thing, which is fine, But I think it's it's
<v Speaker 5>really I think it's really interesting that Hulk, to me
<v Speaker 5>is such a piece of nostalgia around the tabloid era
<v Speaker 5>in American life. Yes, oh yeah, and TMZ I honestly,
<v Speaker 5>I don't know. I'm their website still seems robust, they
<v Speaker 5>still have the television show. They still seem to be
<v Speaker 5>an impactful force in media. I get the sense they're
<v Speaker 5>faded a little bit. But I think anybody who you
<v Speaker 5>know how that business model is because looking at this,
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, is this kind of like we lost a
<v Speaker 5>guy that was tabloid fodder for forty years?
<v Speaker 2>Right? That's really what we're mourning in a right exatly
<v Speaker 2>in a weird way. We're losing a meal ticket here,
<v Speaker 2>all the way back to the steroid scandals and all
<v Speaker 2>the craziness that this guy filled the pages of the
<v Speaker 2>newspapers that you'd see in the line at the grocery store,
<v Speaker 2>right right. Yeah, yeah, I mean that was that was it.
<v Speaker 2>He was he he he he was just yeah, he was,
<v Speaker 2>he was, he was. He was a weird pop culture
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon for tabloid media. Yeah, curiosity exactly a freak show.
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you if you if you couldn't find
<v Speaker 2>some guy, you know, having alien babies, you at least
<v Speaker 2>had hul Kogan doing something.
<v Speaker 5>And uh and you do wonder if har e Levin
<v Speaker 5>is kind of the back of his mind thinking like
<v Speaker 5>I'm doing this because this, this this rocks me to
<v Speaker 5>my core about what era may be passing that I've
<v Speaker 5>been a key part of. Yeah, you know, and Vince
<v Speaker 5>feels that way too. I Mean, part of the reason
<v Speaker 5>I think it makes sense to do this is, Look,
<v Speaker 5>we're going to acknowledge it right here. We're going to
<v Speaker 5>lose Vince McMahon during the course of the complete Hulk Hogan.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yeah, yeah, I believe that.
<v Speaker 5>And we went into the journey eyes wide open for
<v Speaker 5>that possibility, and he said, you know what, there is
<v Speaker 5>no death that could supersed Hogan's because the only reason
<v Speaker 5>we're fascinated by Vince McMahon is because he brought us
<v Speaker 5>hul Cochin.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, and hul Cogan delivered like Hulk Hogan did. And
<v Speaker 5>I do think this documentary does a pretty good job
<v Speaker 5>of selecting footage. I think there was a wrestling fan
<v Speaker 5>at the controls here in terms of what clips they
<v Speaker 5>picked in matches and bringing out. You know that Hulk
<v Speaker 5>actually did kind of destroy his body in that ring
<v Speaker 5>for as limited it as this in ring move set
<v Speaker 5>may have been. My god, I mean, the size of this.
<v Speaker 5>I mean he's always said too, He's always said, I've
<v Speaker 5>heard a million times he wishes he did a different
<v Speaker 5>move than the light drop because that really course, you know,
<v Speaker 5>it's funny he didn't do he didn't just do the
<v Speaker 5>axie boomba. Yeah, we got him over like mania in Japan,
<v Speaker 5>you know, and he was doing it in the United
<v Speaker 5>States and it was getting the pop.
<v Speaker 2>It's not like it's any bigger, you know, any different
<v Speaker 2>of a move like you know, it's not any any
<v Speaker 2>more impressive or any less impressive than a light drop.
<v Speaker 2>Late drops one of the fucking lamest moves. But they
<v Speaker 2>did get in there. Sergeant Slaughter Grula pressing him off
<v Speaker 2>the top at WRESTLINGIA seven, which is one of those
<v Speaker 2>remarkable bumps that you forget he took. Oh yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because he went up top and they made a big
<v Speaker 2>deal out of that. He never goes to the top.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.
<v Speaker 5>So we'll go through it, we'll get thoughts. Of course,
<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of stuff about the sex tape and
<v Speaker 5>the racist comments in here as well, with the in
<v Speaker 5>addition of Vince McMahon, Bill Goldberg, Mark Henry was on
<v Speaker 5>the show as a talking head. Jimmy Hart was on
<v Speaker 5>as a talking head. Kind of a curious sexual selection
<v Speaker 5>of people. Then they had this thing where apparently they
<v Speaker 5>set up shop backstage at a busted open thing. It's
<v Speaker 5>probably over SummerSlam weekend. It's like just as like lit
<v Speaker 5>me of like one off comments from these people that
<v Speaker 5>appear to be like Natalia and stuff offering comments echo chamber.
<v Speaker 5>It was so weird in a corner somewhere. But you
<v Speaker 5>know one thing that really is I look at Vince's face.
<v Speaker 5>That stood out to me is when they were talking
<v Speaker 5>about the Netflix debut in La in January, where Hult
<v Speaker 5>came out and got roundly bowed. And that's the last
<v Speaker 5>thing we want to see in terms of him being
<v Speaker 5>live in a wrestling arena. Vince was Vince was saying,
<v Speaker 5>all right, oh, this was we're going in, We're going
<v Speaker 5>in with If I was there, it would have been
<v Speaker 5>better if I was Paul, I would definitely squirm in
<v Speaker 5>my chair.
<v Speaker 2>There's that. But what I think is fascinating is that
<v Speaker 2>he's blaming booing or he's ignoring the actual booing, but
<v Speaker 2>he seemed to be blaming the booing on the way
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Cogan was introduced, right, It isn't that a glimpse
<v Speaker 2>and to his psyche where it's like there ain't nothing,
<v Speaker 2>I can't manipulate circumstances to reverse the heat on, reverse
<v Speaker 2>the psychology, and it's like, you know, it had nothing.
<v Speaker 2>Vince had nothing to do with it. And also I
<v Speaker 2>don't get it. It's no different than the way Hogan
<v Speaker 2>came out of WrestleMania in New Jersey when you were
<v Speaker 2>in power, right, like you said, New Orleans and it was.
<v Speaker 2>It was a big surprise out of nowhere, so what
<v Speaker 2>the fuck?
<v Speaker 5>Yep, he did it in in Tampa too, that first
<v Speaker 5>house COVID MENIU yep, and got booed at that thing
<v Speaker 5>as well.
<v Speaker 2>Did he get put that one? I don't remember by.
<v Speaker 5>Bit, Yeah he did a bit. It wasn't it wasn't
<v Speaker 5>so roundly la style packed arena of course, closed building.
<v Speaker 5>But but yeah, I thought that was so interesting where
<v Speaker 5>this is now going down this road of if I
<v Speaker 5>was there, it wouldn't happen that way, you know. And
<v Speaker 5>I was mad because I and when Harvey mentions to Vince,
<v Speaker 5>you know, you watch this ten bell salute with a
<v Speaker 5>stage filled on SmackDown, doesn't it feel a little bit
<v Speaker 5>weird that you're not there, without ever mentioning once why
<v Speaker 5>Vince McMahon wouldn't be there, right, never telling the audience
<v Speaker 5>why it is that Vince can't step foot int ww arena.
<v Speaker 2>That I'd rather not discuss the things that we have,
<v Speaker 2>you know, that are happening, pending. You know, we have
<v Speaker 2>pending issues, and I believe that you know, we can
<v Speaker 2>hold on that at this time we have pending issues.
<v Speaker 2>I agree, ohheartedly.
<v Speaker 5>Look, I don't expect them to ask Vince McMahon about it.
<v Speaker 5>But I do expect if this is supposed to be
<v Speaker 5>like an exercise and editorial judgment making here, like you
<v Speaker 5>had to tell the audience that you don't have to
<v Speaker 5>have Vince talk about You could just mention why it
<v Speaker 5>is that Vince McMahon wouldn't be there for Hulkogin's send off.
<v Speaker 5>I thought that was so weird. It smacked to me
<v Speaker 5>of like Vince wanted them to ask that question so
<v Speaker 5>we could get that shot in of so we could
<v Speaker 5>get not the shot, but he could plant that seed
<v Speaker 5>of like, man, would it be great if it wasn't
<v Speaker 5>a ww arena?
<v Speaker 2>Again? I know, I know exactly. I don't you think
<v Speaker 2>that the the company would be flourishing more than it
<v Speaker 2>is right now instead of running exactly these minor details
<v Speaker 2>would mean less less of an obstacle. Do you think
<v Speaker 2>details would even be missed? Do you think the grandeur
<v Speaker 2>of design would be prevalent? Wow? Harvey it so it's Vince.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if you've heard, but we've lost
<v Speaker 2>Terry and I would Harvey it's Vince of the w
<v Speaker 2>w E. That's correct. I don't know if you heard,
<v Speaker 2>but we lost Terry Bella.
<v Speaker 5>And before you rice to do something with that information,
<v Speaker 5>I would suggest that you might want to set up
<v Speaker 5>a little documentary in which I will offer to you
<v Speaker 5>exclusively my first on the record comments.
<v Speaker 2>You know, in this now we as we all know,
<v Speaker 2>you all know, we're all very very very sad. But
<v Speaker 2>in this tribe you sold them five seconds ago now
<v Speaker 2>were all in mourning, and I do believe that in
<v Speaker 2>this time of morning that we can, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>in an attempt to heal. I would like to offer
<v Speaker 2>you my first comments since pending things occurred.
<v Speaker 5>And I'd really like pow for you to get in
<v Speaker 5>a couple of questions about how I was feeling sitting
<v Speaker 5>at home watching things like the Netflix debut, things like
<v Speaker 5>The ten Bell to the Halkstar.
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's important that you get because I
<v Speaker 2>think I think people need to realize because there was
<v Speaker 2>such a connection between between hult Cogan and myself. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we were we were we were you know, conjoined twins
<v Speaker 2>in many ways. And I believe that I believe that
<v Speaker 2>it's a good opportunity for you to ask me to
<v Speaker 2>reflect on what it was like to observe the the
<v Speaker 2>not only the the ten bells salute from my living room,
<v Speaker 2>but also the you know, observing Hull Cogan in his
<v Speaker 2>final appearance with my company, right, I think these are
<v Speaker 2>just I think it will add some perspective, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and maybe, you know, add some clarity to people who
<v Speaker 2>may have a sense of confusion as to the events
<v Speaker 2>leading up to the death of Hull Cogan. Harvey.
<v Speaker 5>Before you offer your response and rest assured, I await
<v Speaker 5>it with baited breath, I do want to let you
<v Speaker 5>know that if you pass on this opportunity to host
<v Speaker 5>me for an interview about what Hulk meant, I'm fully
<v Speaker 5>prepared to immediately offer myself for comment to competing news
<v Speaker 5>outlets the second we hang up. So is the documentary
<v Speaker 5>in production or not?
<v Speaker 2>Pal, I think it's important that you know that this
<v Speaker 2>is not a this is not an this is this
<v Speaker 2>is not an offer, This is not a a question
<v Speaker 2>that I'm asking. This is something that I like to do.
<v Speaker 2>I've always liked to do, and I'm gonna tell you
<v Speaker 2>right now this is a guarantee. Okay, you're doing this well.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be honest with you.
<v Speaker 5>It sounds to me like you're trying to use us
<v Speaker 5>to say and help to death to sanitize your image.
<v Speaker 2>That's what it sounds like. You can do yourself a
<v Speaker 2>favor right now and shut up. I've already taken the
<v Speaker 2>liberty of sending some of your employees down to talk
<v Speaker 2>to certain of my entertainers McK foley, Mark Henry, myself
<v Speaker 2>and a number of under the individuals. So you just
<v Speaker 2>sit tight, Okay, We're going to do this old school style.
<v Speaker 2>Just be Edward R. Murrow, and you just ask the
<v Speaker 2>questions when I tell you to ask them.
<v Speaker 5>We got this bell and before I hear a second
<v Speaker 5>pushback from you, Pale, I want to remind you who
<v Speaker 5>the Secretary of Education is. I will remind you who
<v Speaker 5>the leading face of the Presidential Fitness Challenge is. And
<v Speaker 5>I will remind you who headlined WrestleMania against the President
<v Speaker 5>of the United States.
<v Speaker 2>I want to remind you that the McMahons are in
<v Speaker 2>the White House, Pal we owne yes, and UFC is
<v Speaker 2>in bed with Paramount Pal. And I don't mind telling
<v Speaker 2>you this that currently, as we're speaking, I have sent
<v Speaker 2>an individual by the name of Bye Well you know what,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to keep his name at this point, he's
<v Speaker 2>with Fairfax. Mart Let me tell you right now that
<v Speaker 2>if you look down at your chest, you'll see a
<v Speaker 2>little red dot, not unlike the red dot on my tie,
<v Speaker 2>not here, and that dot will not move until this
<v Speaker 2>thing airs.
<v Speaker 5>No wonder he was so still on the chair, Harvey,
<v Speaker 5>that was the chair he took the phone call, and
<v Speaker 5>he didn't move from it for seventy two hours while
<v Speaker 5>they just beamed interview subjects onto the televis in front
<v Speaker 5>of him. Oh god, Well, that's enough about Vince. Although
<v Speaker 5>it is certainly newsworthy and noteworthy that we hear from
<v Speaker 5>Vince for the first time in this documentary.
<v Speaker 2>How do you feel like they handled the elephant in
<v Speaker 2>the room, the racism and the sex tape. Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 2>not really an elephant, but you know it's it's I mean,
<v Speaker 2>the whole, not at all. I mean, it's I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was. I mean, I'll say, I guess.
<v Speaker 2>The Mark Henry perspective was interesting. I mean, that was
<v Speaker 2>also a weird get to have of all the people
<v Speaker 2>to get, you know, like Mark Henry, really that's the guy.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, has there ever been an interaction between the
<v Speaker 2>two of them that they didn't even seem to be friends.
<v Speaker 2>He just talked about him as a fan really for
<v Speaker 2>the most part.
<v Speaker 5>Right, Well, he did say that, you know, he suggested
<v Speaker 5>to Hult going on the tour. Yes, yes, of a
<v Speaker 5>historically block. There is that record that there is that interaction,
<v Speaker 5>which and Hogan responding essentially, you know, I've been advised
<v Speaker 5>not to talk about it anymore, being kind of you know,
<v Speaker 5>more than anything. That's why he's still pilloried about it.
<v Speaker 5>It's because he wasn't open minded to people who came
<v Speaker 5>forward and said, well, if you actually care about what
<v Speaker 5>the people who are upset by this and consider a remedy, this.
<v Speaker 2>Is what I mean. You know, it's one of those
<v Speaker 2>things where it's like you you really don't get to
<v Speaker 2>make that choice. Actually, you don't get to not talk
<v Speaker 2>about it until the people who are bothered by it
<v Speaker 2>are done to wanting to talk about it. And he
<v Speaker 2>said that advice you're getting Hume, h you're getting bad.
<v Speaker 2>I agree. I think that would have been incredible advice,
<v Speaker 2>and that would have an incredible thing for him to do,
<v Speaker 2>to go around there. I mean that that would have
<v Speaker 2>shown like true accountability for it, which you know he didn't,
<v Speaker 2>And that's I've always said that. I Mean, I know
<v Speaker 2>there are weird circumstances with things, but I think I
<v Speaker 2>think taking accountability for yourself and your actions is goes
<v Speaker 2>a lot longer, because a lot further than I think
<v Speaker 2>people people want to admit. Yeah, you know, like I
<v Speaker 2>think I think issues would I think issues would die
<v Speaker 2>a lot quicker if people took more accountability with action.
<v Speaker 2>When when when when shit like that comes out?
<v Speaker 5>You know, And it wasn't what he said in public,
<v Speaker 5>which you know, they replayed the stuff he said in
<v Speaker 5>the view, And I mean, who's saying all the right
<v Speaker 5>things on top?
<v Speaker 2>But it's not It doesn't matter. I mean, did you notice.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like all those people were, like I mean,
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, were white people's saying.
<v Speaker 5>And even if they weren't, it would still be a
<v Speaker 5>TV appearance as opposed to something you say with the
<v Speaker 5>cameras around. But I think this is this is kind
<v Speaker 5>of a point I want to make about Hulk, and
<v Speaker 5>this kind of helped me crystallize it. There is no
<v Speaker 5>Hulk Cogan if the camera isn't on him.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the truth.
<v Speaker 5>Doesn't he doesn't, he doesn't exist in a world where
<v Speaker 5>you have a private audience with anybody to express contrition
<v Speaker 5>or to express regret, or to express anything, to express excitement.
<v Speaker 5>It doesn't exist for Hulk unless the camera's on, and
<v Speaker 5>you can ask his family about that. It doesn't exist
<v Speaker 5>unless the camera's on. So to set this expectation that
<v Speaker 5>he was going to go before the locker room and
<v Speaker 5>the black wrestlers and say something that was kind of
<v Speaker 5>heart to heart, that they could look into his eyes
<v Speaker 5>and come away feeling like, o Hey, this guy didn't
<v Speaker 5>We didn't see a glimpse of who this guy really is.
<v Speaker 5>We saw a guy at a moment of weakness, or
<v Speaker 5>we saw a guy who wasn't thinking through what he
<v Speaker 5>was saying. And now he's willing to face us and
<v Speaker 5>be contrite about it. But it's like, guys, he's not
<v Speaker 5>talking to you, right, he's talking past you, right, and
<v Speaker 5>he's talking to whoever is going to come out of
<v Speaker 5>that meeting and talk to the media about what he said.
<v Speaker 2>He's no dummy. He thought he was not on camera,
<v Speaker 2>and he was.
<v Speaker 5>That's the whole thing. That's what he rot one time,
<v Speaker 5>directly carry himself like he was being recorded. It completely
<v Speaker 5>upended his entire life and legacy. So from that point on,
<v Speaker 5>I don't care what anybody says. I don't care what
<v Speaker 5>is wives would even say, or his current with the wife.
<v Speaker 2>He's he's on.
<v Speaker 5>Everything he uttered to anybody was run through the filter
<v Speaker 5>of this is going to get out. He's performing for you.
<v Speaker 5>You think you're close to Hulk, Yes you're not. Nope, never,
<v Speaker 5>you're just the nearest camera lens. Even if the audience
<v Speaker 5>is as small as the network of people, you're going
<v Speaker 5>to repeat what he said to And that's because and
<v Speaker 5>I think the supreme irony is to expect of a
<v Speaker 5>pro wrestler to behave in any other way is so foolish.
<v Speaker 5>And to turn to a pro wrestler to be the
<v Speaker 5>voice of criticism of Hulk Hogan is pretty hilarious as well,
<v Speaker 5>because they would prevaricate just the same if they were
<v Speaker 5>called out about anything. I mean, not racism, But you
<v Speaker 5>get my point. Rick Flair well put it to you
<v Speaker 5>this way. Were Ric Flair Vince walks back into an arena,
<v Speaker 5>you think they're gonna cheer him or are.
<v Speaker 2>They going to boo him? They're gonna boom, They're gonna boom. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>that's a bold call, I would say, would cheer h.
<v Speaker 1>Hes Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Jp Soro's Fan
<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Well, listen, I think it'll be the exact same thing
<v Speaker 2>that that happened to Hogan. I'm shocked. I was, because
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the opposite. I think I think they'll
<v Speaker 2>cheer them. I think they'll I think they will cheer
<v Speaker 2>at the pop that the idea that hoh ship, and
<v Speaker 2>then they'll realize who he is. That's no, bros. Brock's
<v Speaker 2>a little different though, Brock. I mean, well, yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think. Look, look, i'll tell you what.
<v Speaker 2>Bro's a heel. You know, Brock's gonna be a heel.
<v Speaker 2>And I and I think that it's gonna make a difference.
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, they they did that, they brought
<v Speaker 2>him back. I mean, yes, there were people who cheered
<v Speaker 2>and went crazy. Those are the rapists who are at SummerSlam.
<v Speaker 2>And but yeah, I'll say it, Okay, I mean he
<v Speaker 2>didn't rape anybody, But I get your point. No, but
<v Speaker 2>those listen, that's that's the way it is. Okay, he's
<v Speaker 2>an alleged well he's an alleged trafficker, right, how what
<v Speaker 2>was he No, he was a well he was a
<v Speaker 2>recipient of of potential alleged recipient of trafficking pleasures, an
<v Speaker 2>alleged recipient of trafficked pleasures. Right, it never consummated, right,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, well we don't know. Well, if it happened,
<v Speaker 2>Janelle Grett would put that in her, that's gon take
<v Speaker 2>that to the point to the bank. That's a good point.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so but but right, but that's that's kind
<v Speaker 2>of it. Like, right, if he didn't do anything, he's
<v Speaker 2>a little bit less guilty.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, That's why I asked because I wondered
<v Speaker 5>if that makes a qualitative difference when it comes to
<v Speaker 5>the reactions, because to me, this is going to be
<v Speaker 5>the ultimate test case of my thesis where Vince gets
<v Speaker 5>a huge pop when he comes back and doesn't get booed,
<v Speaker 5>Hulk gets rejected roundly and booted out of the arena
<v Speaker 5>almost when he comes back. Wrestling fans think racism is
<v Speaker 5>worse than sexual but.
<v Speaker 2>Again, but you know, but no, but it's not the
<v Speaker 2>racism though, see everyone does the racism. It's the Trump shit.
<v Speaker 2>That's the way. I love that you made that point,
<v Speaker 2>and I love that they had that in the dog, yes,
<v Speaker 2>because that was the best thing they did. Honestly, that
<v Speaker 2>was the one thing that they did in there. And
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, that's good. I'm glad they fucking
<v Speaker 2>because honestly, two thirds of maybe even three quarters of
<v Speaker 2>this fucking thing was this recap of his wrestling career,
<v Speaker 2>Like anyone needs to see that fucking again, Like Jesus Christ,
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't need to see every fucking moment,
<v Speaker 2>Like I get you have to talk about is like
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't think this should have been a
<v Speaker 2>hit piece by any means. You know, you you you
<v Speaker 2>need to do the good and the bad, but there's
<v Speaker 2>no need to go every fucking minute. Like the fact
<v Speaker 2>that the majority of that thing was about his career,
<v Speaker 2>like in stuff that everybody knows, you know, even fucking
<v Speaker 2>children know that shit. I don't know that. That just
<v Speaker 2>kind of rubbed me the wrong way. It was just
<v Speaker 2>like this just I was like, oh, God, here we go,
<v Speaker 2>this is fucking interesting, same old thing here, just like
<v Speaker 2>talk about the same fucking like, don't even tell a
<v Speaker 2>new story, Like, maybe tell a new story if you're
<v Speaker 2>going to go through his career, like say something. I'm
<v Speaker 2>sure if someone gave them a new story to tell,
<v Speaker 2>they would tell it. I mean, I guess, but I
<v Speaker 2>feel like they. I feel like they just they I
<v Speaker 2>don't think they even wanted to look into that. I
<v Speaker 2>think they just wanted to re read because what everybody's
<v Speaker 2>done that. You know, you can look at the e
<v Speaker 2>true Hollywood story from fucking nineteen ninety seven or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>you can look at anything. Everyone knows that story. It's
<v Speaker 2>it's been rehashed so many fucking times. Find something different,
<v Speaker 2>or find a smaller moment to celebrate in there, like say, yes,
<v Speaker 2>everyone knows these classic moments, but there was also this
<v Speaker 2>little thing in here and there. I don't know, I
<v Speaker 2>feel like with a guy who's had such a storied career,
<v Speaker 2>you know, also talking about his fucking Hollywood career, like
<v Speaker 2>he fucking did anything, Like like he was the first one,
<v Speaker 2>I'm like he was chasing Jesse and Roddy have the time. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>he was chasing everybody.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, if you want to say that Rocky three
<v Speaker 5>was his breakout movie role, I guess, but he wasn't.
<v Speaker 1>He was.
<v Speaker 5>He was as much cast in that movie as any
<v Speaker 5>select any you know, as much as Reggie Jackson was
<v Speaker 5>a naked gun.
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean it was a breakout in the
<v Speaker 2>fact that it got him national attention. I wouldn't say
<v Speaker 2>it was like a like That's all I would say
<v Speaker 2>is that it put eyes on him on a level
<v Speaker 2>that was much bigger than people watching Minnesota wrestling at
<v Speaker 2>the time. Absolutely, That's what the difference was is that.
<v Speaker 2>And so I can consider it to be a breakout,
<v Speaker 2>not in terms of a Hollywood career or even a
<v Speaker 2>wrestling career, but a breakout in terms of national exposure.
<v Speaker 2>And he was the inverse of scene in Rock if
<v Speaker 2>I can just interrupted quickly. Yeah, and Batista he was
<v Speaker 2>the inverse where it was the fact that it was
<v Speaker 2>in a movie that made him a superstar and pro
<v Speaker 2>wrestling exactly. It wasn't because he was a superstar in
<v Speaker 2>pro wrestling that he was in the movie. He was
<v Speaker 2>a star.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, he was working all over New York the
<v Speaker 5>territory with Andre and eight and stuff that those were
<v Speaker 5>huge matches. But come on now, but he wasn't. He
<v Speaker 5>wasn't like, yeah, there's a there's a night and day
<v Speaker 5>moment there when he came back in Minneapolis and I
<v Speaker 5>the Tiger and ship it was like, there was no
<v Speaker 5>choice but to make him the top guy in the
<v Speaker 5>company because of the power of that movie.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that. I don't know. I missed
<v Speaker 2>the voice, you know, but you know, I appreciated we
<v Speaker 2>can into that exposure. But you know, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if we're gonna make him top guy. You know, I
<v Speaker 2>don't think he's at that lovely yet or ever the
<v Speaker 2>matter second from the tap second, Hey, you know, we'll
<v Speaker 2>do a couple of screw job finishes and see how
<v Speaker 2>that goes, and we want from there.
<v Speaker 5>Didn't this idea that like Sena couldn't have become a
<v Speaker 5>movie star or Rock couldn't have become a movie star
<v Speaker 5>if Hulk Cogan didn't do Suburban Commando. I was like, guys,
<v Speaker 5>are you for real? Like they're they're missing, they're missing
<v Speaker 5>what actually happened. It's it's these details that I think
<v Speaker 5>are the most important to add the clarity to people
<v Speaker 5>who don't care about wrestling, because it's not the movies
<v Speaker 5>that did it. It was his ex It was his
<v Speaker 5>national exposure as a wrestler that put him in the
<v Speaker 5>mainstream spotlight. That that is what allowed John Cena and
<v Speaker 5>The Rock to transition. It wasn't the fact that he
<v Speaker 5>made movies. No, but he fucking saw them. Nobody fucking
<v Speaker 5>went to them. Nobody liked him. They were stupid.
<v Speaker 2>It was the fact that he brought from nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 2>five until I'll say nineteen ninety one, I'll go ninety two,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety, let's just say nineteen ninety. Between eighty four
<v Speaker 2>and nineteen ninety, he brought pro wrestling into such a mainstream,
<v Speaker 2>you know, into the zeitgeist. Yes, that that is what
<v Speaker 2>allowed John Cena, Batista and the Rock to have movie careers.
<v Speaker 2>It had nothing to do with his Hollywood career.
<v Speaker 5>In fact, his Hollywood career flopped so much that one
<v Speaker 5>would think that would damn the chances of the John Xactley,
<v Speaker 5>Dwayne Johnson's never getting roles or Patisto, wherever the case
<v Speaker 5>may be. I love how they show Goldberg on one
<v Speaker 5>red carpet too, to pretend he got like a film Santisley,
<v Speaker 5>Jesus Christ, Goldberg and Harvey apparently get along. I guess
<v Speaker 5>so in his his permanent studio with his classic cars
<v Speaker 5>in the background, like, can.
<v Speaker 2>We please just knock that off? Nobody gives a shit
<v Speaker 2>about your fucking vehicles all right, man, I thought it
<v Speaker 2>was kind of like I'm thinking back, I'm like, why
<v Speaker 2>is Goldberg have such a soft spot for Hulk? Like
<v Speaker 2>I understand he put them over in the Georgia Dome
<v Speaker 2>and that was great, but it kinda he kind of
<v Speaker 2>never did business with you again, like right, never, right,
<v Speaker 2>he never helped you ever again. To me, that was
<v Speaker 2>a I mean, I I would imagine that that might
<v Speaker 2>have been a just how Steve Austin became friendly with
<v Speaker 2>Hulkogan later on, you know, like I would say that
<v Speaker 2>probably happened after they went their threats to a j
<v Speaker 2>OI well after ww was was, yeah, was gone where
<v Speaker 2>they kind of became friendly.
<v Speaker 6>You know.
<v Speaker 5>It's it's not unlike mc foley. You know, they made
<v Speaker 5>hay out of that remark Hulk made and off the
<v Speaker 5>record years ago about how mix sits in the hotel
<v Speaker 5>and eats cheeseburgers and M and M's. Well, Hogan is.
<v Speaker 5>We used to always talk about how he just wolfed
<v Speaker 5>down candy and all the time he had a sweet tooth.
<v Speaker 5>He was a fat kid.
<v Speaker 2>He used to eat baby roots, baby Ruth's by the dozen,
<v Speaker 2>and brother, I want to eat my mom brother baby Ruth, blea,
<v Speaker 2>Babe Ruth. Little League baseball is all there and wolf
<v Speaker 2>and down the famous amos. You know, you would always
<v Speaker 2>talk about how he's stuff in his face? What brother on, dude, Foley,
<v Speaker 2>I mean anything with this guy?
<v Speaker 6>I know.
<v Speaker 2>Also, I mean, come on, Mick, Mick would be nice
<v Speaker 2>to him. I love Mick. I think he's great. I
<v Speaker 2>think he's wonderful. I just can't with that hair, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I just can't. Like it's like he got it permed.
<v Speaker 2>It's not the wavy curly that he usually has it.
<v Speaker 2>When was the hair dialed in for Mick? Do you,
<v Speaker 2>at this age dialed in shaved head when he has
<v Speaker 2>it really that short, especially with the law, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like you just gotta he's just got to keep it short.
<v Speaker 2>Like that's even if the shaved head shows off the
<v Speaker 2>deformed year, I don't care. That's that's just that's just
<v Speaker 2>it's way better. It's way better when he has When
<v Speaker 2>he has too much hair, he just looks he looks
<v Speaker 2>just not sanitary.
<v Speaker 5>So if nothing else, you can count on your co
<v Speaker 5>chairman when they do something like this to give you
<v Speaker 5>the the latest rundown on how the legends of the past.
<v Speaker 2>Look, I mean it just was bad. Honestly, it's bad.
<v Speaker 5>And speaking of those litany of legends, when they did
<v Speaker 5>that whole hackneyed and tired Ai Hogan meets Roddy Piper
<v Speaker 5>and Ultimate Warrior and Kamala and Heaven thing, remember when
<v Speaker 5>they did that, Jimmy Hart was.
<v Speaker 2>The Also, when did Jimmy Hart get the snaggled teeth? Well,
<v Speaker 2>that's that's a good that's a good kick. Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 2>Like his his lower like I don't remember that ever
<v Speaker 2>being a thing. I don't know. Maybe his lip just
<v Speaker 2>got so thin as he's gotten older, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>But but he's got these like these, these the lower
<v Speaker 2>teeth that just are are very prominent and they're very scary.
<v Speaker 2>Thank God for video, huh. I know, so he's out there.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize this, but on the Netflix debut, like
<v Speaker 2>he's got to wave the flag for Hulk because Hulk
<v Speaker 2>can't wave it himself. I know, you know, as the
<v Speaker 2>thing too, you know, I I you don't. He didn't
<v Speaker 2>even realize how big watching it again because the first
<v Speaker 2>time I've seen it since we saw it, the way
<v Speaker 2>he could barely walk, he could barely fucking walk out there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>without a cane obviously, and it was just so sad,
<v Speaker 2>so sad to see him struggle like that. Yeah, the
<v Speaker 2>way he skulks to the back, that that that Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>like that he not only really what's said? Is that
<v Speaker 2>again there? I mean, I know he's pushing and he
<v Speaker 2>was pushing his his his beer, but man, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>That was just it just it was. It was much
<v Speaker 2>worse than I remembered, much worse.
<v Speaker 5>And so get Jimmy tells the story of you know,
<v Speaker 5>let's think of a black wrestler that Hulk helped one time.
<v Speaker 5>Let's oh, Kamala, my god, one time Kamala got stiffed
<v Speaker 5>on a payday and the Hulk shouted a vince about it.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like how that means he's not going
<v Speaker 2>to say racist. If he was racist, he wouldn't do that. Sure.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, listen, you know I love the TikTok people.
<v Speaker 5>They show like you better be celebrating his death. This
<v Speaker 5>is the problem, folks. Okay, if you want to stop
<v Speaker 5>people from dividing for engagement, you don't put them in
<v Speaker 5>the fucking TMZ doc. You don't put the reaction videos
<v Speaker 5>on national television you don't rebroadcast. You don't give people
<v Speaker 5>the impression that if they just crystallize this thing that
<v Speaker 5>you want to be true. You know that the the
<v Speaker 5>editorial judgment maker wants to be true, they can go
<v Speaker 5>onto social media and find proof that these people exist
<v Speaker 5>and present three people as representative of four million if
<v Speaker 5>they want to. I also don't like people get like
<v Speaker 5>basically telling me how I'm supposed to respond. Well, that's
<v Speaker 5>that's that's a that's the moment we're in. I know,
<v Speaker 5>that's that is the moment we're in.
<v Speaker 2>Don't tell me how to respond now. As I've said,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, listen, I it took me a long time
<v Speaker 2>to come to terms with with being disgusted by his,
<v Speaker 2>by his later life, but also to have to appreciate
<v Speaker 2>the fact that his you know, his his fictional life
<v Speaker 2>was an important part of my childhood. Like I can't
<v Speaker 2>take that, Oh I can't. That's not that you know,
<v Speaker 2>of course not it can so and be so asinine
<v Speaker 2>that that has anything to do with it. And and yeah,
<v Speaker 2>like I'm and I'll say it's probably there's probably an
<v Speaker 2>element of that for me, not ever having been on
<v Speaker 2>the receiving end of of his you know, of his
<v Speaker 2>racism and his the words and all that shit. I mean, listen,
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you, I'll say this.
<v Speaker 6>I was. I was.
<v Speaker 2>I was, you know, I'm the end of his fucking
<v Speaker 2>trump ship. And I've never seen that before. I'd actually
<v Speaker 2>never watched it. I was actually so disgusted by it
<v Speaker 2>that I never watched it. I never watched his Trump
<v Speaker 2>thing because it just mortified the Republican National Convention appearances. Yep.
<v Speaker 2>I remember people were tweeting about it and they were
<v Speaker 2>I got texts about it. I got so much stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and I never watched it because I was just like,
<v Speaker 2>this is just it's just disgusting to me. Leave the
<v Speaker 2>memories alone. Yeah, right right, not even that, not even that.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't leave the memories alone. It was it was
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to like, I don't to me, this
<v Speaker 2>is gonna be this is gonna make me angry. It doesn't.
<v Speaker 2>And it makes me angry the idea that he even
<v Speaker 2>went there and that and that he put himself, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like the fact that it all happened the way that
<v Speaker 2>it did. It just it made me angry when it happened,
<v Speaker 2>and it made it made me think less of him,
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I don't need to watch it to
<v Speaker 2>think any more less of him. I already think less
<v Speaker 2>of him, Like he's already ruined.
<v Speaker 5>The latest just the latest camera, Yeah, the latest camera
<v Speaker 5>that was interested in training itself on him, which is
<v Speaker 5>so much of that, you know, the move the movement
<v Speaker 5>that he appeared before at that thing. It's people that
<v Speaker 5>fellow on the way, you know, not not entirely, not
<v Speaker 5>of course, not entirely, but it's the place to go
<v Speaker 5>if you're a pariah. Yep, that corner of things. And
<v Speaker 5>I think Mark Henry put it was when I see that,
<v Speaker 5>I see I think the way he put it was,
<v Speaker 5>I just see a guy who's happy that there are
<v Speaker 5>people who are happy to see him again, no matter
<v Speaker 5>what their motivation might be for cheering him on, no
<v Speaker 5>matter what kind of animis might be behind that raw
<v Speaker 5>rah uh. You know, as far as like a worldview
<v Speaker 5>or anti cancel culture whatever whatever that you know, animis
<v Speaker 5>is for hope. It's just as I always thought of it.
<v Speaker 5>It's just as simple as all right, this is this
<v Speaker 5>is the this is the crowd I appeal to. Now,
<v Speaker 5>so let's let's get this run that that that I can,
<v Speaker 5>I can, I can understand, but you know, when it
<v Speaker 5>comes to the fact that I'm you know, you know,
<v Speaker 5>for me personally, it's him, his his ship is just like,
<v Speaker 5>you know, to go there and to not only show
<v Speaker 5>support for Trump but also too like to to to
<v Speaker 5>almost make light of it and to go that far
<v Speaker 5>with it. It just it really it was like the
<v Speaker 5>mascot outside the exactly. It was just awful. Well, here
<v Speaker 5>here's a guy who you know, sold kids vitamins and
<v Speaker 5>you know, live lived on complete artifice in terms of
<v Speaker 5>what caused him to have He was a huge guy
<v Speaker 5>in the He was a huge human being his whole life.
<v Speaker 5>We'll only take that away from Him'm not saying he wasn't,
<v Speaker 5>but that's why he was so massive, because he was big,
<v Speaker 5>and he took steroids like a motherfucker, right, and he
<v Speaker 5>ejected every day and barely even cycled, by his own admission.
<v Speaker 5>You know, that's that's all artifice, right, you know, So
<v Speaker 5>why should we be surprised when he just jumps from
<v Speaker 5>artifice to artifice?
<v Speaker 2>Of course, I don't. I don't know.
<v Speaker 5>Maybe I just don't want to feel negatively about it
<v Speaker 5>because he's hulled covid, you know, but I I just
<v Speaker 5>see it as him just work in another crowd, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And listen, there's a part of a part of it
<v Speaker 2>is that, A part of it is that. But I
<v Speaker 2>mean he also, you know, honestly and in he kind
<v Speaker 2>of made his bed with all the racism stuff and
<v Speaker 2>the sex tape.
<v Speaker 5>Like you know, well, when you make people unforgivable, that's
<v Speaker 5>what happens. That's where that that's the retreat.
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, I don't. I don't necessarily forget
<v Speaker 2>him because I don't think he actually took accountability for
<v Speaker 2>his actions. I don't forgive him for those actions. But
<v Speaker 2>I will, but that's Terry Bleya. I'm not forgiving Terry Beleya.
<v Speaker 2>But I'll I will allow myself to to mourn the
<v Speaker 2>loss of my wrestling hero. That's what I can do.
<v Speaker 2>I've always been saying, we can't. We are wrestling fans.
<v Speaker 2>We don't get to just to celebrate. It's very hard,
<v Speaker 2>the loss of the icon, right, It's very hard because
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they were total fucking scumbag sociopaths or
<v Speaker 2>my personal dealing, because it's not just you know, because again,
<v Speaker 2>it's not just the character like you know, it's it's
<v Speaker 2>a weird thing. It's a very very weird thing. As
<v Speaker 2>we've said a thousand times a million times with wrestling
<v Speaker 2>fans that you know, we.
<v Speaker 7>The the.
<v Speaker 2>The people. There's such a blurred line between the people
<v Speaker 2>and the character. It's it's it's awful how blurred it is.
<v Speaker 2>It's awful because because you can't succeed if you have
<v Speaker 2>too much of a difference between the two. You really
<v Speaker 2>can't write. Because you can, you can, you can again,
<v Speaker 2>you can watch movies with actors who you are appalled by,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean you can not saying that you
<v Speaker 2>you do, but you know there are people who can
<v Speaker 2>still watch Kevin Spacey movies and be okay with it. Well,
<v Speaker 2>the key, I think the key is Kevin Spacey doesn't
<v Speaker 2>have to appear before a live crowd. That's that's what
<v Speaker 2>I'm well know, really, what it is is that Kevin
<v Speaker 2>Spacey doesn't isn't the character yeh, That's what it comes
<v Speaker 2>down to. Kevin Spacey is Kevin Spacey, and Kevin Spacey
<v Speaker 2>the man is somewhat despicable. But his movies prior to that,
<v Speaker 2>there are some that I enjoy and then I will
<v Speaker 2>watch over and over again because I enjoy those movies
<v Speaker 2>and I can I can forget about Kevin Spacey the person.
<v Speaker 2>I can watch the character that he's playing on the
<v Speaker 2>on the on the screen, and.
<v Speaker 5>I think, correct, I think of Kevin Spacey after the
<v Speaker 5>whole allegations came out, had to do a movie in
<v Speaker 5>front of a live studio audience, he would have been booed.
<v Speaker 2>Just of course. Oh I mean listen, he wouldn't been
<v Speaker 2>able to fucking he wouldn't have been able to get
<v Speaker 2>in the get on fucking set to begin with.
<v Speaker 5>So it's that referendum, that live referendum that pro wrestling
<v Speaker 5>uniquely gives us. You know, Spider Man doesn't appear before
<v Speaker 5>a live crowd, so we can get a taste of
<v Speaker 5>what people feel like his politics are in this moment exactly. Wrestlers,
<v Speaker 5>they don't. Wrestlers have that immediate feedback loop where if
<v Speaker 5>they're going to make their bones, they got to subject
<v Speaker 5>themselves to the vicissitudes of the audience. And more than anything,
<v Speaker 5>that's what Vince McMahon mastered is understanding why people are
<v Speaker 5>going to boo and cheer and short circuiting that if
<v Speaker 5>that served his purpose or accentuating that if it served
<v Speaker 5>its purpose to hear Vin's on this documentary talk about
<v Speaker 5>the magic of the Rock Hulk Match Wrestling eighteen. I
<v Speaker 5>thought it was pretty cool because he was describing of
<v Speaker 5>all the things he's and no one's seen more than
<v Speaker 5>Vince in the business and studied it in terms of
<v Speaker 5>understanding why it works and stuff. I'm not saying he's
<v Speaker 5>you know, perfect at that, but he's right. It was
<v Speaker 5>unique what was happening there, Like, you're only going to
<v Speaker 5>have that moment if you have the whole history and
<v Speaker 5>legacy of what hul Covin had meant to the WWF audience.
<v Speaker 5>Of course, of course you're not going to be able
<v Speaker 5>to have anyone mean that much in that position. Again,
<v Speaker 5>look no further than John Cena, who has struggled to
<v Speaker 5>mean anywhere near as much as Hult did when he
<v Speaker 5>came back in two thousand and two for something that
<v Speaker 5>wasn't even conceived of as a farewell tour. It certainly
<v Speaker 5>wasn't presented to the audience his Hulk's back for no.
<v Speaker 5>He came in rip Burn as a heel, nothing like
<v Speaker 5>the old Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>We remember.
<v Speaker 5>The fan said, no, no, sir, this guy meant too much.
<v Speaker 5>This is going to be a farewell tour. And within
<v Speaker 5>two months he was back in the Red and Yellow
<v Speaker 5>and he had the world title, right, And that's that's
<v Speaker 5>the fucking truth right there, exactly. But I was sent
<v Speaker 5>tiking about Jimmy Hertt, was running through the litany of
<v Speaker 5>legends there at the end, we'll hit you with it here.
<v Speaker 8>I'll always love him, I'll never forget him, and I
<v Speaker 8>know he's gonna save me a little spot up in
<v Speaker 8>heaven up there, and you know what, to Harvey, I
<v Speaker 8>think he's happy now, no more suffering, no more pain.
<v Speaker 2>He don't have to walk on the cane anymore.
<v Speaker 8>And then when he gets up there in heaven, he's
<v Speaker 8>gonna have his mother and Daddy, Pete and Rufe sitting
<v Speaker 8>on that front row. You're gonna have Rowdy Roddy Piper there.
<v Speaker 8>You're gonna have Howard Finkel's going to be doing the announcement.
<v Speaker 8>You've got Randy Savage, and you've got Andre the Johant,
<v Speaker 8>You've got Rocky Johnson being there and.
<v Speaker 2>Just Dusty Rose.
<v Speaker 8>All the people that he loved, you know, are going
<v Speaker 8>to be there for him.
<v Speaker 2>And when he goes to the ring.
<v Speaker 8>I'm sure he's going to have an interview with me,
<v Speaker 8>and Jeane's saying, you don't mean, Jean, what are you
<v Speaker 8>gonna do when Hawk Hogan and all the little hulk
<v Speaker 8>of maniacs run wild on you?
<v Speaker 2>Of course that's cheesy as fuck.
<v Speaker 7>You know what?
<v Speaker 2>What about what about the fan that they used of
<v Speaker 2>all the fucking home I know, I know you're gonna
<v Speaker 2>call that out. They used a ninety five Nitro Hogan
<v Speaker 2>Nitro one where he's got no mustache and it's that
<v Speaker 2>weird pre nw O Hogan black dark Side. Oh, like,
<v Speaker 2>come on, what are you thinking? Choice? Maybe I take
<v Speaker 2>that back about there being a wrestling fan of the
<v Speaker 2>controls here, Yeah, that's the maybe maybe actually maybe there
<v Speaker 2>is maybe there's like you know, that'd be really cool.
<v Speaker 2>I you know, it'll be kind of a little a
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a deep cut if we put that.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just for fucking idiots like Lapsvan. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>well paid off, didn't it. And as corny as fuck
<v Speaker 2>as that is, you know what I'm sitting there, you
<v Speaker 2>know what hit me? I was like, wait a minute,
<v Speaker 2>all those wrestlers he listed the fact that they're gone.
<v Speaker 1>M M.
<v Speaker 5>Those are all the cornerstones of what brought us to
<v Speaker 5>the table. I say what you will about a corny
<v Speaker 5>of a visual. That is the fact that all of
<v Speaker 5>those people, giants that Hogan stood on the shoulders of
<v Speaker 5>to have those landmark programs with the likes of Piper
<v Speaker 5>Savage and Andre and Finkel is the announcer and Gene
<v Speaker 5>holding the stick.
<v Speaker 2>That's all gone. Now those people are dead. You know what,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I saw, you know what that when
<v Speaker 2>you know what hit me when that happened.
<v Speaker 1>Is that.
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Hart managed to squeeze in Rocky Johnson, the only
<v Speaker 2>the only black wrestler in the whole fucking wrist of
<v Speaker 2>them and rocks. You know, dads, I don't help his
<v Speaker 2>points with the rock but I was just like, I
<v Speaker 2>was like, it just seemed, you know, I was like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I guess I mean, that's one of the ones I've
<v Speaker 2>never heard of actually, the the the the classic Hull
<v Speaker 2>Cogan Rocky Johnson program. Oh my god. You know, like
<v Speaker 2>he listed to people that he had great programs with
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just like, okay, there, you know, and then
<v Speaker 2>there was like this just so it was a weird
<v Speaker 2>it was a weird forced inclusion I think. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how close to Rocky Johnson and hul
<v Speaker 2>Cogan were. Maybe they were close. Were they close for
<v Speaker 2>all as No, not.
<v Speaker 5>Particularly on this right, So him and Tony Ellis worked
<v Speaker 5>together in eighty two.
<v Speaker 2>To me, that is a that is uh, that's that's
<v Speaker 2>to include. It's a number of things to include a
<v Speaker 2>black wrestler. Also to include Dwayne to get Brannie point,
<v Speaker 2>to get Bernie swore with Dwayne, and you know, maybe
<v Speaker 2>keep me on my Legends contract for a little bit
<v Speaker 2>longer please Interesting. Yeah, well, I mean, God bless Jimmy Hart.
<v Speaker 5>But I mean the amount of times that he has
<v Speaker 5>tweeted for personal appearances email Jimmy Hart after Hulk died.
<v Speaker 5>I'm just like, dude, this guy is in a fucking panic.
<v Speaker 5>He doesn't know if he's ever going to get booked again.
<v Speaker 5>If probably want with Hulk, he probably won't. I doesn't
<v Speaker 5>know what the other side of his life looks like.
<v Speaker 2>No, he's no clue. No, And especially because apparently see
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, how do you feel, by the way,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we ever talked about this, what's
<v Speaker 2>your what's your opinion on him and his like, you
<v Speaker 2>know that tweet right before Hogan died, Oh, where he's
<v Speaker 2>talking about the karaoke and how Hogan's in great shape.
<v Speaker 2>Do you do you think that he was kay fabing
<v Speaker 2>or do you think he actually wasn't in the know
<v Speaker 2>as to how serious it was. I think he was
<v Speaker 2>in the know, and I think he was kay fabe.
<v Speaker 2>I think I think I don't think he's actually as big,
<v Speaker 2>like he's in the inner circle as much as he
<v Speaker 2>thought he was. That could be I'm winging about it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm willing to no, not at all.
<v Speaker 5>I read the tweet as being very carefully phrased. Let
<v Speaker 5>me pull it up because maybe I want to make
<v Speaker 5>sure my memory isn't wrong about this.
<v Speaker 9>Uh.
<v Speaker 5>Jimmy Hart tweets that Hulk is fine. Everything's always fine
<v Speaker 5>until it's not.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. That's the spotlight, baby, that is life in
<v Speaker 2>the spotlight. Okay, let's see no, no, no, please just
<v Speaker 2>show me the tweet. Fucking hell, fucking hell, Okay, shuts
<v Speaker 2>down the rumors, okay, right, fucking pathetic. Oh yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is the tweet. Hulk is doing great, doing phenomen last
<v Speaker 2>night at karaoke with Nick was absolutely fantastic baby. Now
<v Speaker 2>that tweet is designed to make you think that Hulk
<v Speaker 2>was at the karaoke and he was, Yeah, I guess
<v Speaker 2>that's true. He's he's he's combining and he's doing this
<v Speaker 2>to my way of thinking cynically, he's combining the two
<v Speaker 2>knowing that most people are going to take the time
<v Speaker 2>to actually find out and look into whether Hulk was
<v Speaker 2>there or not. The amount of people that retweeted and
<v Speaker 2>reposted the video of Hulk in the hospital back in
<v Speaker 2>the TNA days before he was about to go in
<v Speaker 2>for surgery, and he was on that he was in
<v Speaker 2>his vine era where he was like, you know, putting
<v Speaker 2>out like videos of his dog and putting out videos
<v Speaker 2>of the poop and his but you know, he did
<v Speaker 2>one on the toilet and talked about he was stinking
<v Speaker 2>the place up. And he had a little period there
<v Speaker 2>where he was sending out little fifteen second videos on
<v Speaker 2>Twitter before like Instagram before TikTok, and one of those
<v Speaker 2>was him and and Johnny on the on the gurney
<v Speaker 2>waiting to go in for surgery and he's talking about
<v Speaker 2>how you know, he's he's in rough shape and everything,
<v Speaker 2>and people reposted that after he died, like that was
<v Speaker 2>a video that he had made right before he passed
<v Speaker 2>away and she passed. People are fucking idiots, I swear
<v Speaker 2>to God.
<v Speaker 5>And it's knowing that people won't actually take the time
<v Speaker 5>to tell the difference, that it's worth broadcasting misinformation like
<v Speaker 5>that tweet, because it's like, if nothing else, the people
<v Speaker 5>who don't care enough to actually try to figure out
<v Speaker 5>that I was drawing that he was drawing a distinction
<v Speaker 5>between Hulk, the update on Hulk's condition and Nick being
<v Speaker 5>at karaoke. If that just creates for another week, the
<v Speaker 5>false impression that Hulk's doing fine and keeps the barbarians
<v Speaker 5>at the gate, as I'm sure his inner circle saw it,
<v Speaker 5>then that's a win for the day. But of course
<v Speaker 5>everyone was going to kate fabe until Hulk was in
<v Speaker 5>the ground. Of course they were. Hulk Hogan's got to
<v Speaker 5>kick out. I mean, you heard Vince say it. Vince
<v Speaker 5>said the words he kicked out of several surgeries in
<v Speaker 5>the past. Oh my god, as they show the back
<v Speaker 5>and everything, didn't he didn't kick out, No, he absolutely
<v Speaker 5>did not came out.
<v Speaker 2>He counted the lights for the final time, then said
<v Speaker 2>it was a blow to his heart and they showed him.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think? Did they show something own by
<v Speaker 2>Julie Hard is what I meant to say. Yeah, did
<v Speaker 2>they show something I've never seen before? Where on the
<v Speaker 2>Rocky three set it's like backstage footage so to speak,
<v Speaker 2>of him working out bombs.
<v Speaker 6>No, we we Uh.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was at the time, I
<v Speaker 2>don't think you know what. I think it was too
<v Speaker 2>early in cinemat where so we didn't watch it, but
<v Speaker 2>I played audio of it that I that was there.
<v Speaker 2>I watched that whole thing when we did Rocky three,
<v Speaker 2>so I don't I heard it but didn't seem right right. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we started doing the the video watching
<v Speaker 2>yet at that point. I could be wrong. I could
<v Speaker 2>be wrong. I don't know how. I don't know when
<v Speaker 2>I started doing that, but that yeah, No, that that
<v Speaker 2>was there. Yeah, it was a fascinating thing. They had
<v Speaker 2>a whole behind the scenes thing about that. It's it's
<v Speaker 2>it was wild. Yeah, I love that so wild, and
<v Speaker 2>I was.
<v Speaker 1>I was.
<v Speaker 5>I was reluctantly going to give them credit for actually
<v Speaker 5>digging up something unique. But no, that's been out there, No,
<v Speaker 5>it's been out there. It's on YouTube.
<v Speaker 1>He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno
<v Speaker 1>and jpso.
<v Speaker 2>It's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
<v Speaker 5>It's another thing too, man, doing a documentary post YouTube.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you can do a whole documentary just off
<v Speaker 5>what's on YouTube.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, very fair.
<v Speaker 5>Use they do it fun and it's like it's unbelievable
<v Speaker 5>and it's like and I'm not saying that those don't
<v Speaker 5>have merit, but man, you talk about taking the wind
<v Speaker 5>out of the sales, about what used to make a
<v Speaker 5>documentary electric? Yeah, is you would find the footage, right,
<v Speaker 5>you would find the footage. You did the legwork to
<v Speaker 5>find the footage. I mean it still is somewhat electric,
<v Speaker 5>because there certainly is some some some stuff on YouTube
<v Speaker 5>that is very very hidden. But it's also like, you know,
<v Speaker 5>it's not as impressive until you find like, right, you know,
<v Speaker 5>I'm so much more likely that you're getting shit.
<v Speaker 2>From the w E vault. That's when it's that's when
<v Speaker 2>it's fucking electric. Nowadays it's still electric, Yeah, that's for sure.
<v Speaker 2>They when they put up something that like is really
<v Speaker 2>something they haven't touched, it's like, oh, oh okay, all right,
<v Speaker 2>I like that.
<v Speaker 5>Oh, it just makes it so much more likely that
<v Speaker 5>you've already seen something. They show it in adult Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>and that to me is something that didn't used to
<v Speaker 5>be such a given.
<v Speaker 2>Watch documents a lot of the time nowadays, I say, wow,
<v Speaker 2>that's interesting, Like, oh, wait a minute, you know what.
<v Speaker 2>It's on YouTube and I'll look it up. Yeah, there
<v Speaker 2>it is. That's where they got it from. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's on YouTube. And everything's on YouTube. Thence, what did
<v Speaker 2>you know about Hull?
<v Speaker 9>Big and muscular and charismatic, yet Hulk stood out above them?
<v Speaker 4>Why he's just one of a kind. I knew what
<v Speaker 4>America wanted?
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Well, what's wrong with that? You know
<v Speaker 2>what America? I don't know what America wants. America wants
<v Speaker 2>to the sick man? Sure about that? Well, they just
<v Speaker 2>don't know it yet, you know. That's that's the thing.
<v Speaker 2>They they they think they think they know what they want.
<v Speaker 2>I know what they want, I know what they deserve,
<v Speaker 2>and I know what I'm going to give them. It's
<v Speaker 2>always in that order, and I'm always right. M Maybe
<v Speaker 2>they need a villain right now, Maybe they need maybe
<v Speaker 2>they need somebody to be the scapegoat. Maybe they need
<v Speaker 2>Vince McMahon to be that person, you know, I am.
<v Speaker 2>I am what America needs me to be. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>you just electrified me. You just electrified me. And I
<v Speaker 2>did not expect that to happen on our review of
<v Speaker 2>the whole documentary. And I think, you know, in a
<v Speaker 2>lot of ways, Hulkogan was what America needed him to
<v Speaker 2>be from from beginning to end. You know, when they
<v Speaker 2>needed someone to point at to say that's the bad guy,
<v Speaker 2>he was able to do that as well. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>you know he failed. He always feeled the need that
<v Speaker 2>the culture had at the moment, be it for a
<v Speaker 2>you know, a Cold War winning superhero, fucking Reagan blasting
<v Speaker 2>out our enemies to sure, you know, the the deeply flawed,
<v Speaker 2>inherently racially questionable. Uh, you know, Lightning, Rod Boomer. It's
<v Speaker 2>it's it's really, it's really a trip. It really is
<v Speaker 2>a trip. And when you see Stallone, oh what's wrong?
<v Speaker 2>He looks great? What's wrong? I didn't realize. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>realize he aged like that much.
<v Speaker 5>Since I don't want the last time ione I'm watching
<v Speaker 5>this thing, I'm like, I don't even care what they're saying,
<v Speaker 5>the fact that they're like hitting me with Vince looking
<v Speaker 5>like this, fully looking like this, stallone looking like this.
<v Speaker 5>It's like this is this is bad man, there's any mean,
<v Speaker 5>no one left in like two years. No, it's all
<v Speaker 5>because listen, it's it's gonna be listen. Our our time
<v Speaker 5>is done. Our time is done. Okay, listen, we are
<v Speaker 5>we are. Look, we're we're becoming the Jimmy Stewart's when
<v Speaker 5>we were kids. You know, you remember watching Jimmy Stewart
<v Speaker 5>and he you know, you see old man Jimmy Stewart
<v Speaker 5>and like a on a stupid you know, special and
<v Speaker 5>you know it's like, wow, you know, whatever happened to
<v Speaker 5>Jimmy Stewart? Well, no, we're getting there. It's ours now,
<v Speaker 5>all right, It's ours. It's our turn.
<v Speaker 2>And uh you know, I mean the you know because
<v Speaker 2>again I I I it's this is what what makes
<v Speaker 2>it so unique. Okay, this is what I think makes
<v Speaker 2>it so unique for our generation. Bear with me. I'm
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm please making this up as I go along
<v Speaker 2>here with this one. But we've talked about I've talked
<v Speaker 2>about on cinemat and we've talked about it before the
<v Speaker 2>idea that we're still in the infancy of screen and
<v Speaker 2>filmed entertainment. What I mean, it's still living for new,
<v Speaker 2>it's still brand new, you know, because there's going to
<v Speaker 2>come a time, presumably unless we destroy the world, that
<v Speaker 2>there's going to be thousands of years of movies, thousands
<v Speaker 2>of years of wrestling on television. We're we're at the
<v Speaker 2>beginning of that. We're like, it's it's it's nothing still,
<v Speaker 2>We're still but we understanding it. Like, but we came
<v Speaker 2>in and but we grew up at a time in
<v Speaker 2>the eighties and the nineties where there was like this
<v Speaker 2>this cruise control of sorts.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, because like okay, you know, we've got this thing
<v Speaker 2>that's been going on for now for like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>for the better part of this century of the twentieth century,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, you know, we we lived in that
<v Speaker 2>moment and we've lived in especially especially because we grew
<v Speaker 2>up with home video, especially because we did that because
<v Speaker 2>the generation before us they didn't have that. But we
<v Speaker 2>grew up with home video. So we are the first
<v Speaker 2>generation to really isolate people and isolate our heroes and
<v Speaker 2>isolate our favorite performers in any way to those periods
<v Speaker 2>of time. Have we can isolate Hull COGD in nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty five. We can do that, and it, in a
<v Speaker 2>weird way kind of messes with us because because we've
<v Speaker 2>lived so much on home video and being able to
<v Speaker 2>relive past experiences and events and all that kind of stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I think it has messed with our minds in the
<v Speaker 2>idea that wait a minute, these people are gonna get
<v Speaker 2>old and die. Yeah, they're gonna get old and die,
<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna happen faster than we think, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because because we just we've we've had way much,
<v Speaker 2>We've had almost too much access to these people in
<v Speaker 2>these particular frozen in time moments, because how many times
<v Speaker 2>can we our generation we grew up with the Stallone movies,
<v Speaker 2>we grew up with the Schwarzenegger movies, all these action
<v Speaker 2>movies of the eighties and the nineties, and so we've
<v Speaker 2>watched them over and over. I just watched Demolition Man,
<v Speaker 2>like a couple of months ago, coming soon under the cinement,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, and it's like that's Stallone. I look
<v Speaker 2>at Stallone, but Stallone's now this, he's this, and it
<v Speaker 2>just it happened fast, It happened very It happened fast,
<v Speaker 2>because I'm thinking about even more recent movies like the uh,
<v Speaker 2>the the other the Expendables, you know, I mean those
<v Speaker 2>are almost like twenty years old now too. That's insane.
<v Speaker 2>That's completely you know, exactly the the you know, even
<v Speaker 2>even the the whatever, the fucking Creed movies. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's like they're you know, they're they're now like ten
<v Speaker 2>years old. Carl Culkin, Oh do I have to? And
<v Speaker 2>we were frozen in time, but yeah, exactly, we'll watch
<v Speaker 2>some but call it. Culkin will forever be nine years
<v Speaker 2>old or eight years old, where the fuck he was?
<v Speaker 2>And that's unique, yeah to what that's unique to our generation?
<v Speaker 2>Yes it is.
<v Speaker 5>You're right to have grown up with that. And I
<v Speaker 5>have that at your fingertips, not just the memory of
<v Speaker 5>seeing the movie once or happening to see it if
<v Speaker 5>it reairs on television, you know, just being able to
<v Speaker 5>watch it a million times if you want.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. And how many times have I seen the Andre Slam? Exactly?
<v Speaker 5>I saw it again in this documentary. And then here's
<v Speaker 5>what Vince said about it. Because I think it's just
<v Speaker 5>a wonderful resurfacing of more Cogan bullshit.
<v Speaker 2>You don't believe it.
<v Speaker 4>We called Andre the Boss after the pen one two
<v Speaker 4>three of Thanks Boss.
<v Speaker 2>It's forced himself to craft No, No, he're the boss. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>when did that one come up? And heard that one before?
<v Speaker 2>And then the fucking that show is now as like
<v Speaker 2>almost forty years old. I've never fucking heard that one before.
<v Speaker 2>I've heard all of them, you know, I thought I did.
<v Speaker 2>The thing that's crazy about that story is Andre did
<v Speaker 2>not say that no exactly, you know, No, No, you're
<v Speaker 2>the boss.
<v Speaker 5>That's been one big like Vince Post I don't even
<v Speaker 5>know what era to call it, you know, the era
<v Speaker 5>where he started to resemble what he looks like now, Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>like twenty fourteen, sixteen six.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's been a.
<v Speaker 5>Big lynch pin is he's been showing up in these
<v Speaker 5>dogs like the Andre one that Bill Simmons did, and
<v Speaker 5>he's forcing himself to cry and all of that right, Right,
<v Speaker 5>He's finding these pregnant moments to cry because he knows
<v Speaker 5>that's what's expected of him.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think also, I think he's he's realized that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think it. I think it, Well, how
<v Speaker 2>could this man possibly rape anybody?
<v Speaker 7>Ok?
<v Speaker 2>He's crying. He's a gentleman. Oh my god, that's been
<v Speaker 2>that's been a thing I've noticed. I think I think
<v Speaker 2>that's all from that. I think I think it. I
<v Speaker 2>think it's I think in you know, the more that
<v Speaker 2>we uncover what a what a despicable human being he is,
<v Speaker 2>the more he's going to cry to try to balance
<v Speaker 2>that out of Probably.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, probably, you're probably right. One of the things
<v Speaker 5>that Belcher said on his site, because he's interviewed here,
<v Speaker 5>is that when they started going down the road and
<v Speaker 5>interviewing him of you know, wrestling, no one gave a
<v Speaker 5>shit about wrestling Untilhulkogan became champion. Yeah, and how they
<v Speaker 5>didn't sell out arenas and packed buildings. He kind of
<v Speaker 5>threw cold water on that. He felt like he didn't
<v Speaker 5>really have a choice but to be like, nah, if
<v Speaker 5>you really want to get into it, there, they're sold
<v Speaker 5>out arenas in every decade that there's ever been pro
<v Speaker 5>wrestling into equal measures Hulk and maybe not in as
<v Speaker 5>many buildings over as much time. But it's it's just
<v Speaker 5>not true. And he didn't think he was going to
<v Speaker 5>make the documentary because he threw such cold water on
<v Speaker 5>what seemed to be something they were driving so hard
<v Speaker 5>at and watching the finished product.
<v Speaker 2>They did not really say that.
<v Speaker 5>They did not really try to claim that no one
<v Speaker 5>cared about pro wrestling until Hulk Coogan did what he
<v Speaker 5>did so right, Maybe they they rained, maybe Dave rained
<v Speaker 5>that in a little bit so that they didn't even
<v Speaker 5>in voiceovers hit that so hard.
<v Speaker 2>Also Dave, Dave too, he's one of them as well.
<v Speaker 2>I know he's going, yeah, he's getting he just in years,
<v Speaker 2>he is, he is, It's happening. It's happening. I know,
<v Speaker 2>I know we're going to be the old men pretty soon. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>I know, here's some trouble. Rock Cogan.
<v Speaker 4>Was like, wow, what is going to happen?
<v Speaker 7>And it was funny because going into the match, you know,
<v Speaker 7>the Holksture wasn't quote what we call the heel and
<v Speaker 7>the bad guy, and Rock was the baby face. And
<v Speaker 7>the moment Terry walked down and got in the ring,
<v Speaker 7>you could feel this feeling you haven't before.
<v Speaker 4>He was different.
<v Speaker 2>Dad like Hogan wasn't.
<v Speaker 7>He was near this wall they're really cheering for, but
<v Speaker 7>in a way, and it was different. And when they
<v Speaker 7>got in the ring, you know, and they said face
<v Speaker 7>to face they both felt him.
<v Speaker 5>Are seventeen two.
<v Speaker 2>Thousand books to incidental looks to the other.
<v Speaker 6>Doing everything I could to be a bad guy the
<v Speaker 6>building that night, everything I can to help him be
<v Speaker 6>the greatest wrestler ever.
<v Speaker 4>Many of the crown saying the rock rightly, many of the.
<v Speaker 2>Arts and cons and told them there.
<v Speaker 4>It was like, wow, this is unbelievable and it's very different.
<v Speaker 2>What are we going to do?
<v Speaker 7>When you see something like that happening, it's.
<v Speaker 2>Like, wow, this is so unique. Jesus Chris, that's glaha,
<v Speaker 2>Jesus fucking Price. I remember being on the door brow.
<v Speaker 7>It was a defining moment in both their careers. It
<v Speaker 7>was something extraordinary to watch. You can't right under your seat.
<v Speaker 4>It was so much here. He was a pioneer and
<v Speaker 4>there was no one like you.
<v Speaker 2>It was a pioneer and there was no one like him. Boss.
<v Speaker 2>I mean you know there, there's there's some truth in that,
<v Speaker 2>no question, there's doing everything I could to make him
<v Speaker 2>this bunch of shit, What a bunch of horseshit. How
<v Speaker 2>about you don't lock up and push off like it's
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five are how about you don't hulk up?
<v Speaker 5>I don't at least start flexing. Wait, look if you
<v Speaker 5>leaned into that, because that's what the crowd wasn't on
<v Speaker 5>that night, all the power to him. That's what we
<v Speaker 5>say we want right is is wrestlers. Uh, you know,
<v Speaker 5>leaning in and hul Coogan in a lot of ways
<v Speaker 5>leaned in and uh, well it didn't always benefit him,
<v Speaker 5>it didn't always benefit us, but it did enough that
<v Speaker 5>this feels this feels appropriate what we're doing right now,
<v Speaker 5>reflecting on reflections of the Holster and man Brooke Brooke,
<v Speaker 5>you saw Brooks face. It's fine, God bless her. Get
<v Speaker 5>fucking Charlotte Brooke. I mean everybody, I mean, I know,
<v Speaker 5>I'm kind of disappointed they didn't show the the that
<v Speaker 5>that that video that Linda posted where she a couple.
<v Speaker 2>Months ago, she looks like TM video of e in
<v Speaker 2>my life. She looks like the the the old decrepit
<v Speaker 2>woman from the Shining. Remember that you've seen the Shining, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know when when Jack Nicholson goes into
<v Speaker 2>the into the the Haunted Room and there's that woman
<v Speaker 2>in the uh she kind of walks and stands up naked,
<v Speaker 2>and she's this model looking woman and then he goes
<v Speaker 2>and makes out with her. And then he realizes that
<v Speaker 2>it's this old woman instead. She looks just like that woman.
<v Speaker 2>It's so sad in that video.
<v Speaker 5>In that video, this woman is just left. She must
<v Speaker 5>be thinking right now, what the fuck was that all about?
<v Speaker 6>What was that?
<v Speaker 2>What was the point of all that? Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure she loves her kids and she
<v Speaker 2>seeing herself. What was the point of my whole life?
<v Speaker 2>What was my life? What did I do?
<v Speaker 5>I designed this massive house with all this money, and
<v Speaker 5>now it's sitting there, decrepit, abandoned.
<v Speaker 2>No one cares. Nobody cares, you know. I think of
<v Speaker 2>her as you know, I think of of like Linda
<v Speaker 2>reminds me of of Annette Benning in American Beauty at
<v Speaker 2>the very end, you know, like when you know, everyone
<v Speaker 2>everyone's gunning for Kevin Spacey at the end of the movie,
<v Speaker 2>like everyone's got a reason to to kill him, right,
<v Speaker 2>Sorry spoilers if you haven't. I mean, no, it's not really,
<v Speaker 2>it's not really in the fucking people are like very
<v Speaker 2>I know, like American Beauty is such a not a
<v Speaker 2>movie anymore people, you know, But uh, like at the end,
<v Speaker 2>everyone's kind of gunning for Kevin Spacey and it's like
<v Speaker 2>then when he does get killed, everyone's like everyone's missing,
<v Speaker 2>everyone's like like miserable, Like they all have that that
<v Speaker 2>instant remorse. And I feel like I feel like Linda's
<v Speaker 2>in that.
<v Speaker 5>I feel like we're kind of feeling a little bit
<v Speaker 5>about it with Hulk. Yeah, sure got the guns and
<v Speaker 5>arrows are pointed at him for so long, and now
<v Speaker 5>it's like, wait a minute, like no one cares anymore
<v Speaker 5>how we feel about Hulk's racism.
<v Speaker 2>Except for the fucking people on the internet. Well, I
<v Speaker 2>think that there's like that last gasp, you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>like this last run of Like Me. The thing is,
<v Speaker 2>the thing is is that now it's becoming a situation
<v Speaker 2>where there's nothing to talk about anymore. He's dead, he's gone.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's honest, there's no so there's no new comment
<v Speaker 5>he made at a political rally that can you know
<v Speaker 5>what I mean, resurface it all. There is a culture
<v Speaker 5>wars going, there's an end point. We now have a
<v Speaker 5>legit end point. You won't have Hull Cogan to kick
<v Speaker 5>around anymore. That's right, And I don't see what the
<v Speaker 5>problem was. He didn't have a problem with Brooke dating
<v Speaker 5>a black guy. As long as he was a foot
<v Speaker 5>tall basketball player worth a hundred million dollars. It's not
<v Speaker 5>like he was fine with that. Jeez, the guy at
<v Speaker 5>a break. It's interesting because Vince made the call to
<v Speaker 5>take him out of the Hall of Fame and everything
<v Speaker 5>and went so hard, and you know, so it's like he's.
<v Speaker 2>Kind of with it. You gotta hear him out.
<v Speaker 7>He did.
<v Speaker 2>It's not like, no, he didn't. I don't think he did.
<v Speaker 2>I think he was told to. I think Vince McMahon
<v Speaker 2>was told they didn't have to, you know, they you know,
<v Speaker 2>he he he was told to uh uh, to take
<v Speaker 2>Hulhogan out and to fire him and do that. I
<v Speaker 2>think he takes responsibility for it, but it was I don't.
<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you that if it was, if it was
<v Speaker 2>his decision, it wouldn't have happened. Interesting seeah, I mean
<v Speaker 2>he says right here it was his decision. I'm sure. Listen,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. I'm sure when it comes down to he
<v Speaker 2>has to say that. I believe he has to say that.
<v Speaker 2>I believe he has to say, you know, all right,
<v Speaker 2>well it's my decision. I'm just all right, you're telling
<v Speaker 2>me I can't do it. I can't. I have to
<v Speaker 2>fire him. Fine, my decision. That's the way it's going
<v Speaker 2>to be played out. It's okay. Vin sick Man is
<v Speaker 2>never going to go out there and say, well, somebody
<v Speaker 2>told me I had to fucking fire him, so I did.
<v Speaker 2>That also makes him look bad. Yeah, but you can't
<v Speaker 2>tell me. You cannot tell me that Vince McMahon was
<v Speaker 2>the one who made that call, Like legit made that call.
<v Speaker 2>He was told by somebody you gotta fucking you can
<v Speaker 2>have him on. It's going to make us look bad. Yeah, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I don't doubt that's true. I cared. I don't think
<v Speaker 2>he cared.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't see much of a difference if the
<v Speaker 5>result is the same, you know, between well, because he
<v Speaker 5>could have said no, he I'm going to keep him
<v Speaker 5>in the whole thing, and he didn't do that.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I I just to me, it's like, I do
<v Speaker 2>think of it as if you're on your own terms,
<v Speaker 2>would you make the same choice, And if the answer
<v Speaker 2>is no, then it's actually not that much better. In
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, I think a lot of it is like
<v Speaker 2>because you're doing because he's only the reason he did
<v Speaker 2>it was, not because he actually felt like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we get a he did it for his company. His
<v Speaker 2>company people said, look, we can't be associated with this
<v Speaker 2>guy right now. It's going to make us look bad
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to like, you know what, Hulk, you fucked up.
<v Speaker 2>I can't be a party anymore. That's not what happened.
<v Speaker 2>He was told we have to separate him because it's
<v Speaker 2>best for a business. Yeah, that's probably true. That's probably true.
<v Speaker 2>I think because he's sick. I mean, listen, if the
<v Speaker 2>mind of Vince McMahon, he's not someone who who who
<v Speaker 2>I don't think takes racism, that's seriously. Yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 5>I've always had the opposite view of him in that,
<v Speaker 5>you know, his Martin Luther King obsession and like his
<v Speaker 5>whole like his his infatuation with like jive talking wrestlers
<v Speaker 5>and stuff. I feel like he's a really typical jive
<v Speaker 5>talking wrestlers though, very much, Yeah, very much. And I'm
<v Speaker 5>not saying necessarily black wrestlers, even white wrestlers to jive talk.
<v Speaker 5>But you know, I think, uh, I don't know. I
<v Speaker 5>think he does have a little bit more of a
<v Speaker 5>civil rights streak about him than then certainly Paul does.
<v Speaker 5>I think I think that's that's a that's a statement
<v Speaker 5>I think I could make. I don't know, I don't know,
<v Speaker 5>I know what you're saying. I don't doubt for a
<v Speaker 5>second that the ultimate decide, the siding factor was that
<v Speaker 5>it's just we can't have him associated anymore. But it's weird,
<v Speaker 5>like nobody would if he didn't take a wholk out
<v Speaker 5>of the Hall of Fame. No one's going to complain.
<v Speaker 5>That was like an extra step to me. I was like, Wow,
<v Speaker 5>it's one thing, we just say we're not going to
<v Speaker 5>use him anymore and he's not getting paid for a
<v Speaker 5>Legends contract. But you got to also remember too, that
<v Speaker 5>was at the very very beginning of the height of
<v Speaker 5>counsel culture.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. So it's right, you're right, just
<v Speaker 2>point that out. That's like, you know, that's when it
<v Speaker 2>was like you didn't even you didn't even think twice
<v Speaker 2>about it. The moment you heard somebody do something that
<v Speaker 2>was even remotely bad, they're gone, we got to be done, goodbye,
<v Speaker 2>out of the picture.
<v Speaker 5>Especially for a company that had a lot of black wrestlers,
<v Speaker 5>you know, who are very charitable. Sure, and that's got
<v Speaker 5>to be considered too. A lot of it is like
<v Speaker 5>it's not that the guy at the top cares or
<v Speaker 5>doesn't care. It's just he's got to get results out
<v Speaker 5>of his employees. And if he doesn't he or she
<v Speaker 5>doesn't do something that's considered responsive to their concerns, it's
<v Speaker 5>not going to get anything ont of those people's exactly,
<v Speaker 5>He's going to lose their allegiance. And you know, there's
<v Speaker 5>no shortage of of African American wrestlers that would line
<v Speaker 5>up right now to say bring Vince back, you know.
<v Speaker 5>And here he is on the documentary talking about how
<v Speaker 5>he handled all of it, because he hasn't really talked
<v Speaker 5>about it. I don't think before Vince, you know, and
<v Speaker 5>except like you know, blithe kind of press release statements.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, fine, a call to Nick and jail.
<v Speaker 6>You.
<v Speaker 5>I forgot about that one too. It wasn't just the
<v Speaker 5>pillow talk with Heather Clem where he said the thing about,
<v Speaker 5>you know, I'm racist to a point. It was also
<v Speaker 5>when he was on the phone with Nick and he
<v Speaker 5>was using these sort of these code words for black people.
<v Speaker 5>I forget what it was, Yeah, like blazzac kind of
<v Speaker 5>it wasn't exactly what he said, but it was kind
<v Speaker 5>of like Connie talk for like, I know, I'm not
<v Speaker 5>supposed to talk this way about black people, but you
<v Speaker 5>know what I'm trying to say, kind of thing, which
<v Speaker 5>didn't help either.
<v Speaker 4>I think that he's that means my best private was unforgivable,
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, gosh, what happened? And when those
<v Speaker 4>things occurred, that's not like him. What in God's name is.
<v Speaker 2>Going on on the sex dape? He actually said he
<v Speaker 2>was racist. He said in his words that he was
<v Speaker 2>a racist.
<v Speaker 10>So why would I sit here and try to defend
<v Speaker 10>somebody that tells you who they were?
<v Speaker 2>Mark is getting pissed their use him to create excuses
<v Speaker 2>for yep. Personally, I mean, you knew it. Heard it hurt.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>I just grew watching the dude.
<v Speaker 8>Man.
<v Speaker 2>I used to love that dude. I wanted to be
<v Speaker 2>like him. It hurts.
<v Speaker 5>I think one of the things Vince said, uh in
<v Speaker 5>Times Square when he took the stage Laps Fan Live
<v Speaker 5>Laps Fans, was that you and I, Terry, We're not
<v Speaker 5>going to be remembered for what we did. We're going
<v Speaker 5>to be remembered for.
<v Speaker 2>What we lost.
<v Speaker 5>And what Hull Covid lost is the the unvarnished warmth
<v Speaker 5>and nostalgia of Mark Henry Yes and people of his generation.
<v Speaker 8>Here's Vince devastated because, and I'll be honest with you,
<v Speaker 8>the whole time we were together, he's never done racist
<v Speaker 8>stuff whatsoever. So that was just kind of like wow.
<v Speaker 8>And of course at that time, Hope was that a
<v Speaker 8>not that there's an excuse for it. Hope was at
<v Speaker 8>a very low part of his life. You know, Linda
<v Speaker 8>was leaving him, he was getting divorced. He had been
<v Speaker 8>drinking pretty heavily on that and sometimes when things happened
<v Speaker 8>when you're at the low point of your life, you
<v Speaker 8>say stuff that you might not say anything else. And
<v Speaker 8>let me tell you something too. This is why I
<v Speaker 8>don't even really believe he said it until I heard it,
<v Speaker 8>because I've never heard it before. Kamala was one of
<v Speaker 8>our wrestlers back in the day. And Kamala one day
<v Speaker 8>was sending the dresser room with us and he just
<v Speaker 8>got his check sent to him on the road.
<v Speaker 2>You know what he made that Let me see that check.
<v Speaker 2>It was up to me all the time. You got
<v Speaker 2>to make the nation. He's working with me every night.
<v Speaker 2>They sing out houses right away.
<v Speaker 8>The next week he got his check and he goes, who,
<v Speaker 8>it's double to what it was, Thank you, hawkster. So
<v Speaker 8>that's why it was such a shock to me, and
<v Speaker 8>that's why I was devastated when.
<v Speaker 9>I heard so you cut ties with him. It is
<v Speaker 9>over the racist comments, but ultimately brought him back.
<v Speaker 4>I knew he wasn't a gracious I've been with him
<v Speaker 4>for so many years. He wasn't racist. He says some
<v Speaker 4>racist things and he should pay for that, and he did.
<v Speaker 2>There it is he should pay for that, and he did.
<v Speaker 2>He paid for it. It's a good performance by vincig Man.
<v Speaker 2>But in the end I think that everyone saw the
<v Speaker 2>real hul Coga and then they cut to him tearing
<v Speaker 2>his shirt off and showing the Trump shirt. So there again,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, these are l A, these are LA folks. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they're going to get those shots better believe it. And
<v Speaker 2>that that's such a big part of it too. Do
<v Speaker 2>you think if they brought out Hulk and I don't know, Cheyenne, Wyoming,
<v Speaker 2>you know that as opposed to La being the I
<v Speaker 2>do flicks debut. I do think it would have made
<v Speaker 2>a difference. I believe that I believe that that LA's
<v Speaker 2>the worst place, exactly, a fucking litmus dust on lay.
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was the dumbest fucking thing they could
<v Speaker 2>have done, honestly, Like the fact that nobody even thought
<v Speaker 2>that through. I mean, anybody, anybody who is anti Trump
<v Speaker 2>who's a wrestling fan. That was a kick in the balls. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that was a real kick in the balls because it's
<v Speaker 2>like you you know, it wasn't like the rock coming
<v Speaker 2>out at the which one was that? Who did he? Which?
<v Speaker 5>Which were probably gonna be one thousand and four, Right,
<v Speaker 5>it's a different times two thousand. It's two thousand Bush
<v Speaker 5>first score. Yeah, So, like and Obama was on WWTV
<v Speaker 5>and I think they went to that to that convention too.
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't like a big speech, but.
<v Speaker 2>Well they may member you did the whole thing during
<v Speaker 2>the two thousand and eight campaign, they had all of
<v Speaker 2>them on and they were all there were great sports.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was a it was but but but
<v Speaker 2>you know, as bad as as as as much as
<v Speaker 2>you know, I disliked George W. Bush, this is a
<v Speaker 2>whole different thing with Trump. And there's a there, there
<v Speaker 2>really has been a divide between between people are like
<v Speaker 2>you really can when you come out like that we're
<v Speaker 2>in the shirt and everything, like you're really saying like
<v Speaker 2>you have decided people are these people are my enemy?
<v Speaker 2>Right that you're you're making that dice. That's a thing
<v Speaker 2>like right now in this time. And I'm not saying
<v Speaker 2>it's right or wrong. I actually I think it is
<v Speaker 2>wrong that you know that that we have we have
<v Speaker 2>divided ourselves. I do think it's wrong. But the thing
<v Speaker 2>is that that but but it's it's just a fact
<v Speaker 2>that if you go out there and you do something
<v Speaker 2>that focused one side of this divide, right, you are
<v Speaker 2>eliminating the other side of your audience. It's fascinating. And
<v Speaker 2>live in La a huge chunk live in La. You're
<v Speaker 2>you're they they they I mean in a weird way,
<v Speaker 2>it almost makes you wonder if it was a planned thing.
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's kind of what I took to what Vince
<v Speaker 5>was saying, was kind of like this thing of like
<v Speaker 5>you couldn't have been that stupid, like you set Terry
<v Speaker 5>up like that was the thing.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't.
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't just incompetence as far as like knowing and
<v Speaker 5>being able to read how the audience was going to
<v Speaker 5>react and making adjustments that would make them see him
<v Speaker 5>in a different lie. He couldn't do anything nothing. It's
<v Speaker 5>not like he'd come out and save somebody and throw
<v Speaker 5>right hands. I can even walk right. So I hope
<v Speaker 5>that's not what Vince was contemplating in that context. But yeah,
<v Speaker 5>I mean we all say we want politics out of
<v Speaker 5>our this and that, right, want politics out of our
<v Speaker 5>sports and out entertainment. Halk decided, Nope, you don't get
<v Speaker 5>to do that, not with me. And he's supposed to
<v Speaker 5>be the escape. Rerestling supposed to be the escape blah
<v Speaker 5>blah blah blah blah, and he trampled all over like.
<v Speaker 2>In a weird way.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>The the image of Hulk Hogan is is not meant
<v Speaker 2>to take aside politically, No, it's just sort.
<v Speaker 5>Of pressing post him. Is that that kind of banal
<v Speaker 5>and prosaic and just part of the He's just he's
<v Speaker 5>he's not above the noise. You know, when you see that,
<v Speaker 5>it's like, oh, fuck, like this he's who you thought
<v Speaker 5>he was in your in your biggest moments of doubt.
<v Speaker 7>Oh. His legacy is simple. Really, there's everyone, any entertainer,
<v Speaker 7>anyone in a sports world. They're transcended on a global basics.
<v Speaker 7>You're understanding that character, what that character did for them
<v Speaker 7>generation after generation, how you felt about him.
<v Speaker 4>No one has ever been able to do that.
<v Speaker 2>He is wrestling. He took it to a whole other level.
<v Speaker 4>His legacy talk is the father figure of wrestling.
<v Speaker 5>Still the fun I mean, I didn't care about wrestling
<v Speaker 5>until Terry Terry Funk as much to Terry Funk as your.
<v Speaker 2>More actually, because Terry Funk had a much bigger fucking
<v Speaker 2>part in the movie. And you know it was the protagonist,
<v Speaker 2>like I just I don't know, man, just the funk up.
<v Speaker 2>You know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 5>Uh, well, it was hul Comania. This was the go
<v Speaker 5>home quote from Vince relative to uh, Hulcimania and all
<v Speaker 5>we're about to embark on on the complete Hulk Cogan take.
<v Speaker 10>Him less of a wrestler. It didn't make him less
<v Speaker 10>of an entertainer. It's never going to take away from
<v Speaker 10>his greatness.
<v Speaker 4>But one thing that he said an character, which is
<v Speaker 4>that hul Comedia would.
<v Speaker 2>Left forever.
<v Speaker 6>It is.
<v Speaker 2>Indeed it is. Well we'll see about that one. Well
<v Speaker 2>we will, indeed we will.
<v Speaker 5>Indeed, the folks at TMZ and Fox for giving us
<v Speaker 5>a chance to oil the gears, to prepare the prepare
<v Speaker 5>the engine, and UH to sharpen the blade, because the
<v Speaker 5>next time you hear from us, we will begin the
<v Speaker 5>full odyssey through the full life and times of Hull
<v Speaker 5>Coke and TLF becomes the complete Hull Cooke and t
<v Speaker 5>c H. So strap yourselves in, bitch ass motherfuckers, and
<v Speaker 5>we'll see you next time.
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<v Speaker 2>is going on? We want