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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Leadi jentm with this episode three hundred and forty five of Busting with the Boys, quick little CTA for you. We're doing a new thing called hashtag tear talk. If you have question, concerns, or comments in general, go to Twitter, put your question or whatever it is hashtag tear talk. We will read it off during the episode. If you're showing up here for football right now, you've already missed it. Monday, we do a reaction show every day this week we have different programming for Busting with the Boys. September nineteenth, We're doing a live show at the Rococo Theater in Lincoln, Nebraska. September twentieth, before the before Busting Ball, we are going to do in an entire tailgate. Boys have fantasy teams. We talk about fantasy teams, what we're doing, what the punishment's going to be for whoever gets last in the league. We also what else do we have going on here? First trip at ESPN we talked about all that. Also, if you want to see how that whole thing went down, we have a vlog as well. Now do me a favor. I know this is the really annoying because we say it every single week. Subscribe, unsubscribing to resubscribe. It's a huge deal for us. It helps us so much and it literally is. I mean, you'll hear about Mitch Carley's goals as we get into how this year is going to unfold. This is one of our big goals for this year is jumping that number up in a big way. My name is Sarah Lawan, soon to be with me as Will Compton. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Let's enjoy the show.

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Speaker 1: Career, controversial happen. Yeah, I'll say this about this episode. This is the most in depth he's ever gone about his controversial calls that I've personally seen anywhere else.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, agreed. It's an awesome Uh, it's an awesome interview. But thank you for tuning in to Busting with the Boys. Where do we even start? There is ay, there is a big se just stepping outside the football world. There is a big fight happening on Saturday night on Netflix. You might as well just promo that because you got You got Terence Crawford, born and raised Omaha, Nebraska. You led the Huskers out against the Colorado Buffalo last year and memorials He's taken on Canelo two champions one Legacy. Canelo and Crawford are facing off for the first time in their Hall of Fame boxing careers. You got Canelo Alvarez, that holds all the major belts in the super middleweight, biggest earner per fight around one hundred million per fight, the most followed Mexican athlete in the game, Versus Terrence Crawford. I already said it. Born and raised in Omaha, Nebraska, one of only three male boxers in history to be undisputed champion in two divisions, forty one wins, no losses, no draws across four weight divisions. Seventy six of his percent of his wins are by KO and champion in three different divisions. Canelo has not only his legacy at stake, but also the weight of his entire country to come out on top in Crawford is just looking to round out an undefeated career and walk away as the greatest of his era. Canelo greatest of his era. That is what is on the line. Who are we taking to fight? Is accessible globally and included as part of your Netflix subscription. There's no This is not a pay per view fight. If you have Netflix, you can watch this fight live. Watch Canelo alvarezvus Terrence Crawford Saturday, September thirteenth at nine pm Eastern six six pm Pacific Standard time, live on Netflix. Who we got in this fight? Fellas you know? For me, this is bias, this is Nebraska. For week, this is Terrence Crawford.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going Canelo. A lot of you people don't know this about me, but my family hails from Jalisco, Mexico, Mexican, So I gotta sit behind my brother from south at the border. I'm gonna go Canelo in this.

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Speaker 5: One, Dude, this is this is a big fight. Crawford comes out on top of here Canelo. The legacy that this man has is second to none. Obviously, people argue, you wish him and may Mayweather would have fought in their primes him. He did have pachia earlier in his career, but Canelo is an absolute monster. I love that this fight's happening. I wish it would have happened sooner. But nonetheless we are getting it and your boys right.

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Speaker 1: But it bears the question who's the greatest of all time? And obviously in our lanes that we sit in is football, So why not have a quick conversation, which we kind of did in pre production before. It's like, who is the goat coach of all time? He can go college, you can go NFL, you can go a mix of both. I know, Mitch, we were sitting there. He was beating on the table Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer.

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Speaker 5: He's a goat.

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Speaker 6: He's a goat.

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Speaker 5: Meyer's the goat.

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Speaker 1: He won one forty one War Ohio State, I gotta have and that's my guy.

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Speaker 7: Believe it or not. I would not go with Urban Meyer. Would actually go with Joe Paterno.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's not what you're gonna go there.

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Speaker 5: You would go Joe Paterno.

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Speaker 7: All time winning his coach, And like ever, I think when it comes to college football, listen.

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Speaker 5: I know, go ahead. I was gonna say, sure him. Like, while this is happening, you gotta bring up Joe Paterno, Gotta bring up Nick Saban, Vince Lombardi, Andy Red, Bill Belichick, Tom Osborne, What about Michigan. Who's the most winging Jim Harball, Bo Sham Beckler, Sham Beckler. Yeah, Lloyd Carr is another one he can put on. There came in after Bo Sham Beckler, Woody Hayes, saw ad guy.

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Speaker 2: Bear Bryant punched the guy punched the player.

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Speaker 1: That's all right. Sometimes you gotta get little gritty up in there.

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Speaker 5: We gotta figure out. We got to figure this answer out.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this. I know a lot of people are beating down the door right now saying it's Bill Belichick. It's Bill Belichick's Bill Belichick. I have a problem with the legacy of Bill Belichick right now. I don't want to come off as a as a hater, but like this whole thing that's happened in UNC right now, it just doesn't feel like Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 5: It's just life outside of Tom Brady exactly Exactly like you look at Andy Reids.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, what is Bill Belichick without Tom Brady? Because we know what Tom Brady is without Bill Belichick, but we don't we we found out that, like, hey, can Bill really want And then you were just about to bring it up, who is it? Personally? I believe my goat, Andy Reid into super Bowl with Philadelphia, when's a couple of Super Bowls with Kansas City, It's like, how are we? How was he not talked about more of being the goat when it comes to Super Bowl's, NFL the whole thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, people are screaming and forgetting to wipe their ass because I will. You're such a hater on the Chiefs, but that is my I think that's my goat too, right, I'm with you on that one.

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Vince the Bardi, I get it, Yeah, like he is. The trophy is named after him for a reason, but like four passes now involved Pop Warner.

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Speaker 2: Pop Warner, he's on the list number four. There's a little there's literally a whole age group of football named after him.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, maybe maybe the best coach you never heard of, Maybe the best coach you were confused about when he sat on a bus and some guys say what about Pop Warner and you immediately thought thought middle school?

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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe I'm that guy.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 9: The one thing I'll say about Andy Reid is I loved when Gridon was on the bus and just talking about the rivalry they had Andy Reid how much he was like, I gotta be better than this guy. This guy's good, and that if John Gruden is sitting there saying I think Andy Reid's the best one out there, hands down, that's my answer.

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Speaker 5: You gotta do like ask Chad Gpt to do side by side by side comparisons of Nick Saban's resume, Andy Reid's resume, Vince Lombardi.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough because it's college and NFL.

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Speaker 1: It's a tough one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 7: I mean I saw some stats of Nick Saban on TikTok the other day. Since there have been more people that walked on the moon than Nick Saban had losses. I think from twenty fourteen to twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: That is an insane stat great stat. Also, hey, we can't forget about Jim Harble. If he goes and wins one with the Chargers, like he might be one of the greatest ever.

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Speaker 5: Get look at Andy Reid here, playoff record. Andy Reid is twenty six and sixteen Sabin Bowl games, nineteen and twelve regular season overall record. You got two hundred and fifty eight one forty four and one for Andy Reid, two ninety seven and seventy one for Nick Saban champion. Excuse me, championships? You got three Super Bowl, three time Super Bowl champion Andy Reid, two different teams. Right, No, I think he won.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Eagles he won. Peterson won with the Eagles.

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Speaker 5: He made the NFC Championship a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: He went to like three NFC championships in a row and then lost.

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Speaker 1: Does that pull Andy Reid from our list?

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Speaker 5: Now? He lost seven time national champion Nick Saban conference titles. You got Andy Reid, who's a six time NFC champion, six time AFC champion. That's twelve total conference titles and uh Saban has ten, only ten titles on time, only ten. Man, I think my argument for saving these are the two best in my opinion.

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Speaker 10: My argument for saving is this, When Andy Reid gets players, they're already developed, coached up NFL professionals. Nick Saban creates professional football players. So to me, if you're going off of greatest coach.

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Speaker 5: He I mean, you still get littered with all the sure development development.

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Speaker 1: You're getting all the five So what you want to go about development? And then we can go back to Jim Harball. He gets three star guys.

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Speaker 10: I love Jim Harball's that's a good answer. He has the highest win percentage right now in the NFL. I think it's seventy five percent is what it is. Seventy might be seventy four point nine.

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Speaker 2: Don't quote me.

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Speaker 5: Hardball by the Horrorball by the end of his career absolutely could be. In that conversation, I think.

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Speaker 1: He's he's got to get one, because.

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Speaker 5: One he'd be the first one to oh wait, no, that is why am I? Why am I blowing this right now?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 5: Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll. Yeah, super Bowl National tip.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so I'm talking out of my ass saying the first one, like Jimmy Johnson was nice.

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Speaker 5: He ended up just retiring. He just wants to go. He just wants to be in Florida on his boat was one of the dip.

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Speaker 9: What impresses me the most about Harball is what he did at Stanford, because that's a program that a lot of people back in the day were like in modern era, you will never with the expectations they have for their players academically, the type of players they're bringing in, you can never bring championship football to Stanford, and he did just that. He obviously has other accolades, but that's the most impressive to me. Their entire football program since then they're kind of down the dunts right now was due to Harball.

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Speaker 1: I mean, buddy, you don got to talk about the academic standard.

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Speaker 2: To me.

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Speaker 1: When I was at Chaparral High School, Harball and Stanford came to my school. We're like, hey, we love what you do, and they saw my transcript. They laughed, they laughed, and so there's no way you're getting in. There's no way you're getting into Stanford. They don't budge when it comes Michigan's top fifteen public school in the world. Yeah, they were like, we will figure a couple of things out for you. They got my ACT score was like a twenty nine. But like Stanford was like, you're not getting in with that GPA. Brother, Oh yeah, that's a strong strong thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate you know, lollless sleep the GPA.

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Speaker 5: Strike them with the ACT. It's out of what thirty six?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thirty six? That's strong.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, That makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am an anomaly. I am a one, so it is all good with the G B A. Strike him with the A C T. Yeah, sleep, kid. Happening in happiness in life is low expectations. So I think I'm gonna put my foot in the ground just for this conversation right Now'm gonna Sandy Reid.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think NFL. NFL is the hardest championship to win.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 5: Nick saven oh in sports clump with Nick Saban. The thing with college though, is like if you have a dominant team, which Bama had, there's only a few teams that might be challenging you for that national title. The NFL like it's it's any it's any given Sunday. Margin of error in the NFL, like the majority of games is one possession or less. Everybody's got dogs.

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Speaker 2: You're not seeing seventy to three games.

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Speaker 5: In the NFL. That's what you That's why when you think about the.

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Speaker 1: Dynasty Miami Broncos last year.

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Speaker 5: Coming in, you think CT wrong acronym.

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Speaker 2: That's that's one a season.

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Speaker 7: But like just this past weekend there were four games that was sixty eight to three or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you are absolutely right. I just want to put in my little.

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Speaker 10: Love and read obviously, But it goes to the Bill Belichick argument. He did not win a Super Bowl after Brady left. Andy Reid has not won a Super Bowl without Patrick Mahomes. So to me, that's like the thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's yeah, I feel you. But he was still a conference champion with the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: They're good, they're great.

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Speaker 5: Couldn't get it done? Sure, who's your who doesn't break his foot?

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Speaker 9: I think I would have to go with I love Nick Staban, but I think I would have to go with the Andy Reid just because of how long he's been doing it. Across the board in the NFL. I don't think that's ever been matched. And to see him doing it in two different conferences is razy. To see him doing it and some really hard places historically before he got there to win championships. I I don't know. I think he's probably one of the best, if not the best, all time.

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Speaker 5: You just think about the dynasties of the Patriots and the Chiefs. It's like, how just rare and incredible it is that we get to witness that like college like Bamo was sitting there dominating the whole time. It's not I mean, it's it's it's a huge accomplishment for coach Saban in the Alabama like organization. But I feel like you you come across more dominant, like somebody who has like just a dominant era in college football than you do the NFL.

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Speaker 10: I'm fine with that one thing though, Love you, Mitch. But we can all agree it's not Joe Paterno, right, we can we.

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Speaker 5: Can all agree.

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Speaker 2: I just going, yeah, he has the most wins of all times. That's what I was going on with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a lot of things.

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Speaker 5: He's got a lot of things in that closet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of.

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Speaker 5: Things going on.

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Speaker 1: Had He's dead now stream recap listen. We already talked about a little bit at the beginning of this intro Will conference said it very poetically, but the stream has been very successful from bus with the boy standards. We really appreciate everybody joining in being a part of the chat. We will be doing that every single Thursday night football during the NFL season, aside from your Thanksgiving and your Christmas boys listening, and we have families, We're not going to be doing it put our families in the position Saturday's periodically. I believe the next game we're going to stream is going to be Oregon at Penn State for a wide out game. That's exciting. ESPN. We did our first get up at ESPN last week, and if I was to sit there and tell you we were calm, cool, collected the entire time, no would be the answer, because we were shitting ourselves up until I don't know five minutes after it started. I think five minutes it is when I thought to myself, Oh, we're gonna be okay, this is gonna be this is gonna be fun time. They're allowing us to be us like this is a good deal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of a lot of pre pro nerves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of pre pro nerves. Saran would love it if you went back to the thing as well.

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Speaker 5: When you're sitting in there with with Greenie on that pre production, he's like, yeah, what do you think about this? I was just thinking, like Dan probably has something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, dude. When they were the first off, ESPN sends a run of show to Will, I get a text. I was on the phone with one of the producers. Get done with him, and they're like, all right, we'll email you something. I'm like, okay, goes over a bunch of games that I'm like, I really got to read up on a bunch of these games and I get to test from Will says.

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Speaker 5: Body like sixteen hours before kickoff.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen hours before kickoff, like we do not prepare for a game. I call him and I go, what's up?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 1: He goes, did you see what we have to talk about? I was like no, I just thought you're a producer. It seemed like it was all right. He's like, Body, double down on the buddy forwards me the email of all the games we're gonna talk about I'm like, oh my god, sixty questions. We might be in hell, we might be in over our boots a little bit. Yeah, And to this moment, I still have not gotten the rundown from ESPN. I would not have gotten if it was for Will forwarding it to me.

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Speaker 5: So better operation will get we win football, and we ate a lot of things we could done better at.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this had an absolute blast.

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Speaker 5: It was so much fun.

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Speaker 1: And it was fun because it wasn't like, hey, be Daniel Olofsky or be these other other types of personalities. They are like, hey, here's an area for you just to be yourselves. And so we got a little football talking, but a lot of jokes at of fun times. We'll make a comment about Miles Garrett's take on national television give me the Hammer and the Gray Hammer, and the Gray said, I'm not taking the hammer in the grades. I'm actual gonna take Trey Hendrickson instead. As far as Morris Sachs go, fun time, it's gonna be a great time all year. Another thing that's gonna be a great time all year is our fantasy football league. We have eight teams of two individuals. I'll just speak for myself and myself only come by played your team last week? Yes you did, and what do we do? Beat the shit out of you guys? But me and Koop Comstock were the only team with the logo where the r y A Shockers here to shock the world, and we started our season.

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Speaker 5: I want to know. We're in a barn burner right now.

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Speaker 1: Well it comes down tonight.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we me and shout out Derek, we have we have DeAndre Swift.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you guys had.

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Speaker 5: We got TJ. Hockinson and DJ Moore.

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Speaker 2: And we're up by seven.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, from this heroic ending with Josh Allen. Because I'm sitting there, I'm like, all right, we got we got Mitch. Could we be the highest score in the league this week? And it's like, okay, we're sitting there with Hockinson and DJ Moore, but yeah, right now, Mitch's squad's up because Josh Allen late in the game.

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Speaker 2: That was with Xavier Worthy getting hurt on first game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you see some of those things early and you're just like, oh my god, I know, bro.

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Speaker 5: Quick shout out to FanDuel, dude.

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Speaker 1: I had a little parlay put in for that Friday night game in Brazil Chargers Chiefs and Xavier You're worthy. I think it was over catches or something in part of my parlay. He gets hurt the first series of the game, and I'm like, my parlay is fucking dead. It turns out, fandle if somebody gets hurt during your game, there's some sort of void that takes place. I know I'm not doing the fine Prentice correct as I should. However, Big Dub still lost to Parlay, but knowing it was still alive after the first.

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Speaker 5: Series is a good game because he got what like a parlay insurance bet protect It's called protect Protecture.

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Speaker 7: Your player gets hurt in the first quarter and he's like the only leg that doesn't hit, then I believe if like the bet still hits and he's the only one that doesn't, you get your winnings in bonus bets love it. And I think if your player just gets hurt at all, I think you just get whatever you like put down in that back.

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Speaker 1: So last thing on the fantasy unless anybody has anything else to jump in on. The loser whoever gets the worst in the league will have to do a twenty four hour stream with their teammate. That is what will have to happen. My hope is that JP and Clay Matthews get last as I'd love to see JP and Clay Matthews for twenty four hours in the stream. No direspect to the two of it. I just think that dynamic will be hilarious. Second best to me, this is essentially one B Will Compton and Matt Malone. I think that that is that's everything and more. That actually might be my new one age to say it out out because Will's reaction when he got Matt Malone tells me everything I need to know about the team dynamic in there. The culture of that room is a little tough right now.

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Speaker 5: Or hey, we're smooth sailing right now. We've had some late night down by seven conversations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Matt was talking about He was like, Friday night, you're talking about getting queen uh Quinn Johnson from the Chargers Friday night off of Waivers and Matt's hammered at a bar trying to keep up with the conversation.

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Speaker 7: You gotta talk to you gotta talk to Matt though, because he seems like he came up to me. He's like damn, Like you're your team is beating my team. It's not our team, it's.

00:23:38
Speaker 5: We gotta change the name because right now it's like Team Malone.

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Speaker 2: It's like Malone's Magnificent team or something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're just magnificent. Your's is magnificent Mitch.

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Speaker 2: Or Mitch's magnificent team. Yeah, but Matt yours is all about you too. I'm not saying my team.

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Speaker 7: I'm saying me and like Derek and I team Mitch's magnificent, magnificent.

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Speaker 1: The team did whatever the fantasy league did.

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Speaker 5: They they make it.

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Speaker 7: They assigned that. I trust me, I would not have made it Mit his magnificent team.

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Speaker 11: I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to look into that, because that's crazy shaded Malonmo. You guys have the same exact thing.

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Speaker 5: At he's good for comments like that, like that's just that's Matt. You gotta love them. Yeah, you gotta love them. Matt too.

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Speaker 1: Have to love him. It's like a son, like you know you're gonna like him. You gotta love him, Yeah, no doubt. October ninth, as far as just do the little housekeeping stuff. October ninth, we're doing a Titans watch party. Where's that gonna be at? October October fifth? October October fifth Brooklyn Bowl, the Brooklyn Bowl on the Tennessee Titans. Oh way one right now, but there's a lot of football left ahead of us. Also, Bust with the Boys Live show at the Rococo Theater. You can go to bwtv dot com get the merch, get the stuff, but you can also get tickets to that live show along with the tailgate that is taking place before the third is the third annual, Third annual Bust and Ball shirt that will comptence hold up right now, Yes, Busting Bull merch, Busting Ball in the front.

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Speaker 5: Awesome design on the teams on there. Uh, if you want one, if you just want it full fully frontal, you want to say naked in front of your mirror in rock Kills. Yeah, it's a good piece.

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Speaker 1: Just kind of tipping right over the shirt because they're a little long.

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Speaker 5: Sure have it?

00:25:19
Speaker 1: Just just a just a tip of that boy gone, hello, I'm here. Uh yeah. So nine to nineteen, Will Compton's birthday is the live show. Nine to twenty, we will be doing a tailgate. A lot of people have already RSVP for that. That's very exciting, bust and bull merch Will just showed you it's gonna be a hell of a year. If you're wondering, hey, is Taylor worried? Is he nervous about the Bustle Bowl? After Michigan's uh, we'll just call it upsetting defeat against the Oklahoma Sooners. You go back to Monday's episode and watch that. We address everything in that situation.

00:25:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, and again we tapped in with our partners at fan duel. Michigan favored at Nebraska is still minus three and a half. If they were to play at a neutral site, Michigan would be favored by six and a half. The over under on that right now as it stands forty five and a half points. Listen, I got a text earlier with the video of the halftime speech of coach Rule against Achron. I'm talking, buddy, get your piss hot.

00:26:22
Speaker 1: I'm talking, Buddy, stick with me here, Buddy, listen to me, Buddy, look at me, Buddy. They might be onto something.

00:26:32
Speaker 10: I was gonna say he took some motivation from your hype video.

00:26:34
Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, he shot me a personal text talking about it was a banger. Hikes videos are back in memorial they are gonna be spots this year. That's not every home game. There's a lot on the boys just play. Sure you did an incredible job putting that together, but there will be four five games that I'm doing it. And the videos are back in I know, and they got you juiced up for Akron. Huh, they thought, oh we need comf He's only doing a handful of these ones. His time is, he doesn't have a whole lot of time his hands. Let's make sure that he gets Achron out there. You gotta kick off the home opener, you know what I mean. We're back in Memorial Stadium and like, look at the results of the game. I'm not saying it's my hype video, but played a very small, very small part.

00:27:15
Speaker 1: Right, but a part nonetheless. Yeah, question is nebrask Cornoss win the national championship?

00:27:19
Speaker 5: Is we'll calm think it a ring, I think without a doubt, ring Like I'm not even gonna sit here and plead for it. I'm thinking I am entitled to a national championship. I am in my brain, I am on the team.

00:27:31
Speaker 1: If you if the Nebraska, if the Nebraska Cornerskers win the national championship, you are entitled to a ring. They do not send you a ring. They don't even contact you by a ring. How are you handling that?

00:27:41
Speaker 5: I don't even have to think about it because if we win the Natty number one, I'm gonna be there. But everybody's gonna be like, hey, you coming to the parade or we gotta get you here, we gotta get you there. And it's like, whatever you guys need from me.

00:27:51
Speaker 9: They would they let you suit out for the Natty. You think they would let you see it out?

00:27:55
Speaker 5: Just suit up, just wear the pads and stuff, be on the sideline. Yeah, I'm sure if I asked, Yeah, yeah.

00:28:03
Speaker 2: You can literally do whatever.

00:28:05
Speaker 1: He could do whatever he wants.

00:28:08
Speaker 5: Best relationship with the Huskers. You guys see the light show in the fourth quarter, Well, I don't know what's funny about that. That ship is incredible.

00:28:15
Speaker 2: They put five one out there.

00:28:16
Speaker 5: They didn't put five to one, but they kind of showed the pick of They kind of showed the pick from the week before against Cincinnati, him going up to get it. They got the black shirt logo, They got a lot of cool shit.

00:28:26
Speaker 2: I thot you're about to say they showed the pick from your Georgia game.

00:28:31
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say the Holiday Ball too. Oh, so we're doing a new thing. I'm bustled with the boys. If you haven't seen it or heard it, I'm gonna tell you now as you're listening with your ears or watching with your what you got.

00:28:41
Speaker 5: I was gonna say you shout you should shout out? Are this is our Tier one, this is our guy. We got to shout in at Keilob Ingram for the first one.

00:28:49
Speaker 1: So what I was gonna say before is, uh, the teers. We're doing tear talk. So during the football weekend, if there's a question, concerned or a comment you'd like to make that you want the Boys to address, use hashtag tear talk and comments and your own specific tweet. We will find them with the hashtag and we will address all of your questions, comments, or concerned. This one comes from Caleb Ingram.

00:29:11
Speaker 5: Tier one.

00:29:12
Speaker 1: Tier one says the Boys are crushing it right now. What's next outside of keeping the bottom of the pod rolling? What's the next big goal that's going to really move the needle for y'all? Hashtags here talk will.

00:29:26
Speaker 5: Can't tell you no idea. Can I tell you?

00:29:28
Speaker 1: I think one thing that makes this show successful is we really don't know what we're doing. I think that's like the one of the more beauties. We can have the meetings, we can do, the brainstorms, we can get on the whiteboard all we want. At the end of the day, opportunities come, opportunities go. It depends on what door we decide to open. And to be clear, I like the doors we've opened so far. Yeah, I've enjoyed the doors we've been opening.

00:29:48
Speaker 5: No notes, It's more of like you get hit up for opportunities and we're just thinking, like they think we can do that, get up ESPNB and one they think we can be on a part of that. Yeah, like that would be sick.

00:29:59
Speaker 1: Let's go there.

00:30:00
Speaker 5: We get to go every Thursday. Yeah, Like Lily, most.

00:30:02
Speaker 1: Are the boys just a failure. We're just failures. We just continue to fail forward. That's what we do.

00:30:08
Speaker 5: Put them to sleep with the GPA.

00:30:09
Speaker 1: And then you come over the top with the ACT and then sprinkle in some CT We're on our.

00:30:14
Speaker 5: First professional conversation with the ESPN and where'd you just ask, uh, do we have to wear anything in particular? Yeah, and they're just like whatever.

00:30:21
Speaker 1: One of the head execs from ESPN heard that I was asking about you know, is there a dress code? He texted me, no context, assless chaps. So gotta say, right now, film pretty good about the partnership with the ESPN. Right now, I will be wearing True Classic every single week except for next week. If you guys want to see what I'm gonna wear next week, I'm sure we'll come to We'll be wearing something matching. You will see it that Thursday, But this Thursday, the uniform you see in front of you is uniform you're probably gonna get.

00:30:48
Speaker 7: Okay, for the people, for the boys in the back that our goal is to get to three quarters of a million subscribers.

00:30:55
Speaker 1: Saying, so seven and fifty thousands of I'm alamo right now. The old from It's All Good, Dave want a little bit choke on you. He cut up the gas line. It wasn't working too hot, right there. You your goal for the end of this year, for the end of this year is to get one hundred thousand more subscribers, and we have a seven hundred and fifty thousand.

00:31:16
Speaker 2: I think we need ninety. I'm pretty sure we're almost at six sixty.

00:31:21
Speaker 5: Okay, ninety.

00:31:23
Speaker 1: So for Mitch Cars to be happy with Bustin's productivity this year, we need to get ninety thousand subscribers between now September eighth to January first, That's what I'm hearing.

00:31:34
Speaker 7: No, I'm just saying that's not thurther for the year. I'm just saying for the next goal, Like we're going to keep.

00:31:39
Speaker 5: Moving, getting the getting, the getting the.

00:31:41
Speaker 1: Three quarters, and then the goal after that will be a mill a million. What's the goal after that? We made it one point two? Oh, that's it. After that you shut it down, you get a million. You get the cool goal.

00:31:51
Speaker 7: Play a million too, Like a million, we get a gold a gold plaque up there, dude.

00:31:56
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, it'll be a mass of moment when we get that because it eventually, like it might take ten years, it might take three years, it might take you know, one year. Eventually we will have a million subscribers, and when that day comes, it's gonna be one of the coolest feelings of the entire world. We got to figure out a way to get one of those plats for everybody, so well one for you to me at least, But like we gotta just suck, but getting that that having that plaque like it would be unbelievable. A milli party, milli party, I think so maybe a stream when we get to nine to ninety, we sit in a stream. We don't come out until we're at a million. It's thank you full of them.

00:32:36
Speaker 5: It's some social network.

00:32:40
Speaker 1: Hot lines, hot lines hot lines right absolutely.

00:32:43
Speaker 5: Right where I get like, I'm curious too, like what the audience thinks because we have a lot of content that comes out, like on our social channels or on our YouTube. Like part of me is like, do we separate and put the locker room on its own channel just because we have so much We have so much content that comes out, It's like I don't know if some stuff gets lost in the sauce.

00:33:04
Speaker 1: And if you're on the home page of YouTube, you have to scroll quite a ways to get to the locker room. Like there's a lot of extra bells.

00:33:09
Speaker 5: And what I always do is I just hit videos and then you just go to the recent videos. But we got you know, we got a long form clips that come out. Yeah, there's a playlist for the lock for the locker rooms. But it's like with our football reaction show, it's like that'll be on Monday, then busting on Tuesday. Wednesday is the locker Room, college Football, Thursday is NFL's locker Room. Friday is inside the Bus, Fridays Inside the Bus, and Dads that's on it, that's on its own channel. Now I'm talking more about the YouTube. With all this stuff that kind of comes out on there, I just get curious, like what it does with the algorithms, if the audience sees it, if they're like, oh, damn, I didn't know that they were doing this. I didn't know if they were doing that. We do vlogs. You got bus scenes, you got under the hood, we got our quick vlogs, Like we just dropped the vlog of just our day at ESPN. It's like we have all that stuff coming out, content that you take from the episodes. We got a lot of shit that comes out having fun. We are. We're having a great day.

00:34:03
Speaker 1: That is one thing we're doing boys, is we're having a good fucking time. And it's only week two. It's it can only go up from here or the way down.

00:34:11
Speaker 5: Who knows.

00:34:12
Speaker 1: Actually there's a lot of ways you could go. But I'm having fun right now and that's that's what's cool.

00:34:16
Speaker 7: Speaking about having fun. I'm gonna just take a little selfish time real quick. Oh, it has been three years since you guys hired me, so I wanted to say thanks today.

00:34:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mitch, that's that selfish at all. That's fucking awesome.

00:34:30
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been I got like a like pictures and stuff like, so three years ago today, Will is when you called me and you texted me.

00:34:37
Speaker 2: This is Will Compton for picture for reference. But yeah, oh with the LinkedIn thing.

00:34:43
Speaker 7: But yeah, So it's been three years, the best three years of my life. Thank you guys for letting me be a part of this and bringing me on. I can't thank you guys.

00:34:50
Speaker 1: All Right, we're Mitch dude.

00:34:52
Speaker 5: I have a question, Mitch, if you can take the podium, we're where would you rank this for best decisions of your life?

00:35:01
Speaker 2: Coming to be busting? Yeah, busting probably number one. What's number two? Probably moving to Charlotte.

00:35:10
Speaker 5: Was number three?

00:35:14
Speaker 2: Is that the answer?

00:35:15
Speaker 5: Yeah?

00:35:17
Speaker 7: Probably going to my buddy's apartment that one day so I could meet my girlfriend in the elevator.

00:35:23
Speaker 5: What's number four?

00:35:24
Speaker 1: Thoughhanna five? Here's what I'm trying to get at the yearly caroling making the decision to keep that dream alive every single year.

00:35:37
Speaker 5: Oh it's your boys, man, your boys.

00:35:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's happening every year.

00:35:42
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, it's a choice every year.

00:35:44
Speaker 5: What excites me is you have so much life to live, Like, you haven't gotten married, you don't have kids, Like these moments that I'll just you.

00:35:50
Speaker 1: Know eventually, like your decision or you're getting busted with the boys, job will be four or five. Buddy, getting married is going to be one if you pick the right person. Having your first kid, but you have your first kid, it's a fucking.

00:36:04
Speaker 7: It's not like greatest things in your like greatest days of your life, but like best decision definitely, Like it'd probably be moving to Charlotte to get the NASCAR, to then have that on my resume to then get this job.

00:36:15
Speaker 2: Like that's a great decision on my part.

00:36:17
Speaker 5: There is a tear talk here that would be great since we're talking about Mitch and his girlfriend. Uh. This comes from Chris C. Kriegs eighty eight tear talk Boys helped settle debate. I had it with friends last night on a first date. If your date rips a fart at any point is it over then? Question mark.

00:36:39
Speaker 1: It's all about the context in which the fart is brought out. If you're having a good time, you're laughing maybe a lot. She goes into a big laugh, has a two come out. I think that adds. It's like, oh, this one's all right by me. I kind of I kind of mess with that.

00:36:51
Speaker 5: Now.

00:36:51
Speaker 1: If she's being a bit of a bee, being a bit of a B word, and then she like sneezes in the then we're done. All right, you can't control yourself and your bna B we got get out of here. Those are my first initial thoughts. Not doing a lot into it.

00:37:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think i'd ever I would never like be like, oh, this is over now. However, if somebody ripped the fart on the first day, like I'd be a little oh is that what we're doing? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, oh ship, we're already there. Yeah people, yeah, people exactly. Yes, listen, double standard, double standard.

00:37:24
Speaker 1: Right man's world, you're not doing well, still lives in the fifties and sixties.

00:37:27
Speaker 2: You're not doing that on your first day with the girl though. You're not gonna no, no, I'm not.

00:37:31
Speaker 5: I didn't get comfortable ripping a fart until really I was like married with Charrow. But oh my boys, it's like, you know, everybody's got the wodletting far in front of you type of thing.

00:37:43
Speaker 1: Fair. Fair. I think it's all about context when it comes to the two.

00:37:47
Speaker 5: To me, I never want to believe the girls poop.

00:37:50
Speaker 1: Still don't, Yeah, still don't.

00:37:53
Speaker 2: And with that we're well.

00:37:54
Speaker 1: There's a couple more tear talks here. We got one from Aaron Orana. It's Aaron underscore of Iran. He says. They say, got sure. What are your top five no negotiable health habits or bio hacks that the lay person should implement into their daily lives hashtag tier talk.

00:38:12
Speaker 5: Off the top of my head, you gotta find a coffee shop that have that have great ice lattes. M you gotta have at least one evening and night to where you're gooning and playing video games with the boys. What else? Taylor fell out the rest?

00:38:33
Speaker 1: I think if you need to stay hydrated, liquid ivy liquid IV. I think if you need to, don't need to, but maybe it would help if you're having a little maybe a writer's block or creativity block. Get high, have a couple hoots. Yeah, just a little bang, just a touch band up right. I don't know I'm feeling. I'm in a bit of a fog right now. Go ahead and sit with yourself for a little bit. Change a couple channels, get after it. Sit down there. The weather they're starting to break right now, it's beautiful. We have pit packages being delivered. Those are I think those are for the soul.

00:39:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, make sure you get a hotel room at least once a month to just have time with yourself and tuget out a little bit.

00:39:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, nothing better than a hotel beating. You're nothing better the hotel beat. But as far as like the bio hacking, things that like are actually gonna help you can't beat sleep, can't can't beat water. And then if you get a chance every morning, get out, put your feet on the ground, Put your feet the ground, get yourself a little grounding, some direct sunlight. I think those three things are gonna it's gonna charge up your day. Having a morning routine sets the tone for the entire day. Hell, sometimes the week.

00:39:34
Speaker 5: Strength training, Yeah, moveing some weight, backstretches, backstretches. Yeah, for myself, that's a that's a non negotiable right now. But yeah, what does it get some sunlight? I'll tell you what a little fun fact about I've already said, you get a hotel room once a month just to get a time insurance. Back there, going tell them to tugget. We knocked that one out. Fun fact about sleep is your your stages of sleep. To go through an entire cycle, it takes ninety minutes, so one cycle, let me get this right here, times five a night. What's that number?

00:40:17
Speaker 1: One cycle times five a night, that's ninety times five. Yep, that's forty five so before and fifty minutes.

00:40:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, so seven and a half hours of sleep. You can get seven and a half hours of sleep seven days a week. That's a winner, right there. You got it? You think of it. I was reading this book. I read it when I was on the Titans. It's called the book is called sleep. But instead of like everybody gets very uh, their anxiety will pick up if they don't hit whatever their expectations are in like a one day cycle, zooming out and making it more like a week cycle. So in cycles of sleep, like I said, at one cycles of full ninety minutes, you think of it in terms of I need to hit thirty five cycles a week with sleep. So that way there might be a night to where you have only six hours. There might need to be another day where you sleep in you get nine hours, but thirty five cycles of sleep in a week if we're just going off asleep, because sleep is the big one. Sleep is the big dog, big sleep. Hydration. What is it with our boy Breca? Some hydration, some sunlight, step on the grass, superhuman protocol, laugh a little bit, laugh, laugh, have a joker to decide, today's gonna be a great day.

00:41:25
Speaker 1: Right, look in the mirror at night and say, I cannot wait to see what's gonna happen to me tomorrow.

00:41:30
Speaker 5: What's that?

00:41:31
Speaker 1: No bad days, No bad days, no bad days.

00:41:34
Speaker 5: That's eight right there, That's eight. That's it. You're welcome gratitude at night time, when you're saying, hey, you're the man. You're gonna knock this out of the park tomorrow, Say a couple of things you're grateful for.

00:41:44
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Actually, this is a true story. Last night was a full moon, very deep on. When you walk outside, it almost like there's lights on. During full moon's a lot of energy shifts happened. My wife and I took out three pieces of paper. What are you giving up? What are you taking in? And what are you grateful for? You road those things down and we burned them and threw them in the fireplace. Reset the energy. None of your fucking business.

00:42:05
Speaker 5: I'm just kidding.

00:42:06
Speaker 1: And none of your business. I'm not giving up nothing down.

00:42:09
Speaker 5: What are you gonna do? Therapy? You give up none of your business? Yeah, so it's about evingt shut the.

00:42:17
Speaker 1: Uh. Matthew Santino.

00:42:20
Speaker 4: At Salty Loads, thank you had Salty Loads ours a.

00:42:37
Speaker 1: Sneaky elite game day food hashtag teart. I don't think there's anything sneaky about And piadas are think about it as a Mexican cal zone.

00:42:47
Speaker 5: But they're mini right, little mini boys.

00:42:49
Speaker 1: You have a little they it's a little piece of dough. It's wrapped over. You get your meat, cheese, you spent your your vegetables, those types of things in there. It's a Mexican cal zone.

00:42:57
Speaker 5: Mini sure. I like him.

00:43:01
Speaker 1: Think of a hot pocket, but way better. That's Annada.

00:43:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love him. At the Farmer's Market, they got that little inn stand. Yeah, with a bunch of variety of I like him. I likens. Are they sneaky good food? Sure? I think I think that's a nice surprise if somebody, what are those? You get a Bonta, Missouri boy walker? Hey, what are those?

00:43:25
Speaker 1: It's like a Mexican cal zone? Are they minis?

00:43:28
Speaker 2: Now?

00:43:29
Speaker 1: They're in their regular size?

00:43:30
Speaker 5: The colon are like this, that looks smaller, so mini co zones? Yeah?

00:43:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, think about where are you from? BoNT Missouri? Checks out? Good to meet your Taylor. Yeah, dude, sucking salty loads.

00:43:47
Speaker 5: It's so funny.

00:43:49
Speaker 1: He got me too.

00:43:50
Speaker 5: I read it like an idiot shod We kick off the interview, Kick off the interview, get in and Dominic and Sue.

00:43:55
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a hell of a time. Boys. One and more terrifying episodes.

00:43:58
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00:48:24
Speaker 1: He's just a less tan brother, Yeah, a less brother.

00:48:28
Speaker 5: Fourth in the Heisman voted two thousand and nine eight P Player of the Year Award, twenty nine Big Twelve Defensive Player of the Year, Bronco Negirsky Award, Chuck Benark Award, Consensus Al American John Allen Trophy, Vince Lombardi Award, NFL Rookie of the Year. What five time All Pro, five time Pro bowler.

00:48:46
Speaker 8: Appreciate that.

00:48:50
Speaker 5: At you on the bus.

00:48:52
Speaker 8: Finally, it's really only Taylor got me on the bus.

00:48:59
Speaker 1: I had to have. I've been working on you for years and has been a bit of a deal. And you guys tweeted back and forth a little bit, right, That's how.

00:49:05
Speaker 5: We've tweeted, We've texted, We've probably been on a call together. And he's just he's the it's the politest way as a businessman that I know him to be. When he talks about his time, I can't I won't be able to make it out. It's just the nicest way of saying no. And I just think to myself, persevered, you're resilient.

00:49:25
Speaker 8: We'll run, you know, I said, we gotta find the right time, gotta be strategic, find the right place, right location. And you got me to your hometown.

00:49:37
Speaker 5: Man, Yes, I am fired up. Where should we Let's start from the beginning.

00:49:40
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

00:49:41
Speaker 5: Ten pounds coming out in the hospital.

00:49:46
Speaker 8: Yeah, pretty close. Yeah, mom was I think I was like ten six or something like that.

00:49:50
Speaker 11: So I was in a small belief.

00:49:52
Speaker 8: So it was, I mean, a blessing in disguise in a lot of ways to be born big. But I I'm trying to cut weight now being retired, so I'm down probably like almost thirty pounds.

00:50:04
Speaker 5: What are you? What are you sitting at right now?

00:50:06
Speaker 8: Two ninety five so you play in that three twenty range towards the end of my career, yeah, just have a little other extra girth. But I think in my prime prime I was between. It just depends like because some years I was two ninety five, I really didn't like it dealing with double teams with you like you guys catch that hip and I was like, nah, I can't do that. So I probably say my sweet spot when I was playing three h five three ten uh. And then a little later on, especially when I was in LA I was a little heavier at three fifteen. And then shit, you guys know you get late in the season, you start gaining weight. Yeah, that's how it got.

00:50:40
Speaker 1: Holiday season. As soon as Thanksgiving rolls around, you can kind of say goodbye to the diet and the routine. It's so hard to keep up. Yeah, what kind of things are you doing that maybe someone's listening to right now, be like, I need to lose weight. What is domakan Su doing to lose weight?

00:50:52
Speaker 8: Man, As the older you get, the harder and harder it gets to lose weight. So for me, it's all about nutrition. I mean, my nutrition is actually down the road here in Tennessee. So I talked to him pretty much every single day just about what I'm eating when I'm focusing on huge on walks. I mean, I walked all around Nashville this morning. I loved every bit of it, got about almost four or five miles in and then still in the weight room. Man, still important to get them weights lifting. I should have came over here. I saw your guys a new set, so I didn't get no invite, so I would have listed. You may not have you may not have had enough weights, but I would have. I would have managed.

00:51:31
Speaker 5: How was how's retired life?

00:51:34
Speaker 8: I mean it's good. I get more time with the family, my boys. And that's really the last reason the last two years I didn't go back because I had opportunities to go back for a couple of teams one of them was in the Super Bowl two years ago that we were super close on. I mean, one of my favorite D line coaches was there, wanted me to come back and play really good GM that I enjoyed and had talked to him over the decades to be able to hopefully go play for the team, but didn't work out. And then last year had a couple options but just didn't just wasn't right.

00:52:06
Speaker 5: So yeah, what would make what would have made the situation right?

00:52:15
Speaker 8: I mean, always the money, I'm always about understanding what it is, but money's not everything. I think that really was being able to be with the situation. I've always wished to have two rings, just so my boys don't have to share. I got twin boys that are four, so that was the ultimate goal, and that's one of the reason why I went back to Philly, Like I didn't get paid crazy money to go play in Philly my last year, but we got to a super Bowl and I saw that trajectory and I got to be a part of that success. Like I was just with Fletched the other day and like building relationship with him. You always admire guys from AFAR, but like building a relationship within six months of each other and now it's a long lasting relationship. So ultimately, it was about winning a championship. That's what I wanted to do. Money was cool, but I was one of the highest paid players ever, So I've reached that that thrown plenty of times.

00:53:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you on having the two rings. I had two girls, I didn't have any boys, so I decided I want a super Bowl. I dip on that, dude, you want Like when I'm at Michigan, I'm watching you in Detroit, and this is when you're a menace. I mean that as the biggest compliment ever, Like you that, like I'm watching you, I'm watching college film on guys I'm gonna play against, and then I'll see a couple of clips of you just tormenting off it's a.

00:53:23
Speaker 5: Line and light.

00:53:23
Speaker 1: Well they't got them, not there yet, right, I'll get to focus. But then as I started to learn about you, I've played against you a few times, always a handful, Will start talking about you from a business standpoint, how like you you're a guy that is always focused on the what's next?

00:53:36
Speaker 5: When did you.

00:53:37
Speaker 1: Realize that, like football is not gonna last forever? Because as Will's reading off all the things and telling the stories about you being in Nebraska, you could be just any guy that just sits there and be like, I'm gonna play football and I'm going to make one hundred plus million dollars and then dip you wanted to take a further step. What was the thing for you that changed that?

00:53:56
Speaker 8: First and foremost, I'm super ambitious, Uh, and I've got mentor and really one of my main mentors. I was just with I'm gonna drop a little gym. But like I was up in the Hampton's this past weekend and just sitting with those guys, like they have this massive venture fund, they just raised five hundred million. I'm going to get a potential opportunity to get into some special deals in the AI space with them. That is like super oversubscribed and just having that access in those different things, it's like they're always pressing on me and challenging me to like level up, continue to level up. Don't put yourself in this box just because you're an athlete and because you had a successful career. Don't let that be your end all be all. And it's always strived upon that And also looking at it from a perspective of my mom's a teacher, my dad was an engineer, Like I went to school for engineering, Like I want to be more than an athlete. And that's a common saying, but there's actually a lot of truth behind it, and I knew early on in my career and from having obviously a mother was a teacher, dad's engineer. That all ultimately, like I never wanted to be defined and put it be put in that box. So how do I strive and continue to be more successful off the field that I was on the field. And those are the things that I focused on, and the determination that that dialing in was just kind of my thing that I enjoyed. And then like you guys saw, I lit up when I'm looking at your guys' facility and I asked, well, please tell me you own this, and he's like, bro, we re rent this. I'm like, what, absolutely not. You guys got a machine over here. Let's go, Like, I'm going to be your developer. You're gonna least, you're gonna least from me. I'm gonna throw you some some some ownership. So we're tied at the hip and let's go.

00:55:36
Speaker 1: So you did pull out your phone that sideways and you're showing this all the building. Gods, I can get this done in six months, no problem. Really, you really put it out there.

00:55:44
Speaker 8: I just got to figure out the how the zoning codes work down here in Tennessee. Other than that, but I mean, let's go.

00:55:49
Speaker 11: I love it.

00:55:51
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:55:52
Speaker 1: Do you how do you find yourself? Obviously you you've gained access through successes in football.

00:55:57
Speaker 11: Yeah for sure.

00:55:58
Speaker 1: How did you when you meet these people the first time? Yep, make a lasting impression to where they want to keep coming back to you. Because I think that's what athletes don't realize. Like playing in the NFL, you're gonna have the opportunity to meet a lot of people, whether they're fans of the teams you play for, or they're just around and you just you know, people with money usually around people with money, they like they don't realize the type of opportunity that they actually have when they have an other shield on their chest.

00:56:21
Speaker 5: I think just to go a step further too, if there is any preparation that you did individually that was involved before just walking into these rooms.

00:56:29
Speaker 8: Yeah. So the crazy thing is it's the simple things that go the farthest. Just like you meet somebody in like old school days that give you a card, all you do is follow up and send them an email like or send them a text, if you exchange numbers or whatever. It is that simple stuff trigger something into the brand. Oh this person serious, I'm going to take a liking to them. They actually want to learn. And if you really understand it, people love to tell you about their success. They love to they'll show you the map. I just showed you a map of how to go to be successful. Ow you own your own building, Like it's fun, it's interesting, and that's their craft and they like sharing those different things. So now you have the opportunity because hey, you're a big star, whether you're in college, your pro or whatever it may be. Take that advantage. But then when you walk through that door. Make sure you start to educate yourself of how to talk to talk and walk the walk at the end of the day, and people will take their time to teach you how to do that. If you don't know, if you just ask for help. My mom always told me there's no dumb question, just ask.

00:57:28
Speaker 5: Yeah. I've always admired how you balance both business and football, and a topic that's always kind of talked about you. You listen to like uber successful people and they talk about don't have a plan B because it'll take focus away from Plan A. Did you ever struggle with that balance while you're trying to do both or did you just in your mind it's like, I understand that I know how to commit to Plan A, but also I know that this isn't gonna last.

00:57:54
Speaker 8: Rep It's a great question, and I just talked about this the other day on my podcast from the standpoint of Caleb Williams the Chicago Bears. I think, for me personally, if you have a capacity and you have to know this as yourself as a human being, if you have the capacity to be able to do more than one thing, but also there's tears to it. So football was number one for the last thirteen fifteen years or whatever it was. But I created a structure of like I'm taking care of my stuff top of the morning, and then I can start to learn and be curious other elsewhere. But also people don't realize that when I'm I'm that much more sharper in football, when I have the opportunity to go and immerse myself in other areas because I've buttoned it up, I've zeroed in what I need to do for football, how to study, do all those different things. I can go away and come back even sharper. So that works. That worked for me. Not everybody has a capacity to do that. A lot of guys can only focus on Ian. We know in the locker room, there's some guys that are on the struggle bus, and they really really got to focus in like they need all seven days, even like the last five minutes before you get into that meeting or get into that game. They still need to keep studying. Like I've had some guys like, hey man, what are we sup to doing this?

00:59:00
Speaker 11: Play?

00:59:01
Speaker 8: Buddy man, we went over this fifty times. Yeah, in the meeting room, I still got you just go straight.

00:59:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especial if you're playing defense, it's so reactive. You guys got it easy, man, It's it's really just athletics. We react, but I have to react to you're reacting. You have to look at the safeties and see with the linebackers. Then he says Able or Baker, I'm okay, he's blitzing. Is this guy going to go inside? What's happening?

00:59:31
Speaker 11: Now?

00:59:31
Speaker 1: It's a game you guys wouldn't understand. You might understand you played offensive line in the under or the uh All American Army game. Before that, you talked about capacity. I want to break that down a little bit more because obviously someone being able to understand themselves and understand what they're capable of doing and not capable of doing. It's easier said than done. And we've seen in the locker room. We see guys all the time that think they have all the capability in the world. But with the film shows this is way different. So somebody who it doesn't have the capacity to have the structure that you're talking about, what are some steps that they can take to be successful and put themselves in a ring where they're now making that passive income. There's the generic stuff of having, you know, financial advisor and stuff like that. But what are little tips?

01:00:15
Speaker 8: I would say honestly, and it may not Capacity may be the wrong word. I think the right word is understanding how they learn. And this is where the psychology side of things comes in. And as a head coach, I learned this from Jim Calwell being a head coach and seeing him operate within three to six months to be able to take our team to where we got to in twenty fourteen. Was he had the psychology background of breaking down every single guy and learning how understand how they learn. So if you understand how you learn and how you can structure yourself, that'll allow your capacity to start to get wider and wider and wider, because you know, I have to do these things so I'm in order to be successful in this space, then I can start being curious in other spaces. So understanding how you learn and how you function, I think is a big part of it as well.

01:00:59
Speaker 5: What would you your routine be like on a Wednesday compared to a Friday while you were playing well?

01:01:07
Speaker 8: Early on my career or later on in my life.

01:01:08
Speaker 5: I would say, when you're starting to figure out your capacity and how you learn and everything else, like when you are operating or when I am talking to Lavontine, I'm like, hey, what's how Sue out in Tampa And he's like, man, he'll be on he'll be on a business call in between, like after practice, before meetings.

01:01:21
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:01:22
Speaker 8: So that was like mid mid of my middle of my career, towards towards the end. What I would say for me, if I understand your question correctly, is like, at that time, I had a routine. So I'm in the facility six am getting my workout. In most guys are working out either like right before practice or right after practice, or they do half their lift before practice and then do the legs after practice. I'm done with my workout. I got that out of the way. I tuned in for an hour and a half, two hours or whatever it was, go to practice, go through meetings. I watched my film like coaches are going to watch film, like I've already watched film. That's over and done with. So when coach knows like and coach Casey, he loves me but hates me because he's He'll be in meetings and be like, hey, man, I got to ask you a question. And I was like, Coach, I got you, but you know, man, I'm over your writing emails.

01:02:12
Speaker 11: Leave me the fuck home.

01:02:16
Speaker 5: We are established, you're already, You've done your part of I'm prepped. I've watched film. I know what Coach is gonna go over. But when we're in the position meeting itself, you got to get a few other things done because the main focus isn't like I've handled all my business.

01:02:29
Speaker 8: Yeah exactly. And we had that understanding with each other early on to where it's like he knows I'm gonna be on point. But there's times I knew he's gonna he would say my name, like hey, pay attention real quick, give me five minutes of your time, and then we're gonna talk about this as a group. So everybody realizes you're still part of the meeting, and then you can go back to doing what you.

01:02:47
Speaker 11: Need to do.

01:02:48
Speaker 8: So you'd be sitting, Oh yeah, Casey's right here, I'm right in the back, right corner with him, Vita's up in the front, all the other dudes in front, Like, I got my laptop turned like I'm gonna go bus position.

01:03:00
Speaker 11: Yeah.

01:03:02
Speaker 5: Now it sounds like it was different earlier in your career. What was there a hard conversation or a moment to where you're like, hey, I need to button my shit up or I need to I'm not taking a serious as I feel like I want to be taking this serious.

01:03:14
Speaker 8: So the person that kind of put me on my toes with that was Kyle Vannerbosch. So my rookie year and probably my second year being with Kyle in the same D line room, he really taught me how to take notes and be detail oriented, and so like where I'm super locked in is like those first two hours of meetings before we go to practice, when we're doing install and we're doing those different things. But I started cheating. I was like, coach, give me the install the night before so I can go through everything, and I'll come in early and ask you a couple of questions of what I didn't understand or I needed more clarification, and then I speed up the process. So now I'm understanding how I learn, how I figure out things faster so I can get it out of the way and I can be prepared. So I just go out to practice. Plus bro, we do two three different walkthroughs, like if you don't understand we're about to install walk through? What we just install? Then practice? We just went through three.

01:04:05
Speaker 1: Times to a walk through before that practice, Yeah, we just.

01:04:07
Speaker 8: Did it three times. If you can't pick it up in that timeframe, we've got bigger problems.

01:04:13
Speaker 1: Which I feel like rears its head a lot of times in the locker roos. Yes, there are a lot of guys that are like that.

01:04:20
Speaker 5: And when you're somebody who's on your ship, you're just like, how in the fuck is this so hard? What do you mean? I'm saying, like, when you when you haven't figured out and dialed in, and if so and so doesn't have it figured out by the second or third walk through, and you're just like, how do you not fucking get what we're doing the most simplistic things.

01:04:37
Speaker 1: Now, your rookie year is a whole different ball game, just trying to figure out everything, and everything seems like so big once again, massive office of playbook.

01:04:45
Speaker 5: So where do you start to realize that you were a tackle? Bro?

01:04:49
Speaker 1: Yeah you have you.

01:04:50
Speaker 5: Have a second.

01:04:55
Speaker 11: Coming here, so yeah.

01:04:58
Speaker 5: Center like that would be it would make sense, but I knew, yeah, the double down go to the next levee. Double down is not a term you know, block down, double team go to the is not a term you don't worry about away from you, but you blocked down Taylor.

01:05:16
Speaker 8: He's got it easy though, because he's coming behind me. Yeah, where's the ball? He's got three cats. Figure it out. I'll go get the time I want. Took jump on a half a second, Hey man, get off of my sat Yeah.

01:05:31
Speaker 1: Talk to me about playing ball with a young, will confident Nebraska.

01:05:36
Speaker 8: I mean, it's a little bit of a blur. He didn't get a lot of playing time I was there, but he definitely came. I will say hard worker, definitely was out there special teams, riling up the troops, running down the field full speed. But when he was playing, I'll give him credit. He was loud and and he was made himself known, which I respect. And that's what I asked from every single linebacker I played with. You have to be dominant. Even if you make the wrong call. Well, guess what, it doesn't matter what defense we're in. Just call the defense. Let's go, and we're just gonna wreck have it because I don't care what calls y'all got on offense. If I'm running up through the middle of it, you can't do anything.

01:06:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, So if you're running through the middle of a demonstrative was always like a learning curve confidence if you if you remember too, like there was there was always a dust up with a real deal Phil Dill.

01:06:31
Speaker 2: Oh.

01:06:31
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's in the doghouse for a little bit. There was like a weird I do remember that there is going on. So as a freshman too, like there's a sense of like you don't you just don't have that confidence man, like you.

01:06:43
Speaker 8: In right, because Phil's ahead of me.

01:06:45
Speaker 11: We came in.

01:06:45
Speaker 8: This is like he's part of the call to Nebraska that came in in the last ten years. We all come together. Then there's this young group that comes behind us. Willean Fisher, Yeah, Sean Fisher, all these young guys that are coming on and they actually can play. So they're like chipping at the biting at the heels, like we're about to get on this field. Especially it's not just special teams. So also seeing that, like there's also that competition versus it saying no, this can be additive. We can come in special packages and do these different things because well could run, so he could do different ship and whatnot.

01:07:19
Speaker 5: Back in the day.

01:07:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day podcast and said laughing, it's like, yeah, you can't forget that.

01:07:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but you're right though. You're right though. And then you have that just that the competitive dynamic and again just being young, it was and you were part of We were part of such a you guys were dominated as hell and d You're looking around and you got you got Sue, you got Stein Cooler, Barry Turner, Craig, you got all these hosses. Like in the huddle. I remember one time too, like I was telling the story not too long ago, but that big twelve championship game, like a couple of steps I did get in. Then we had them backed up on the goal line. You were obviously trying to get we were trying to get a safety. And one time I think I called like Miami or something like that, and Sue like turns back and me. He's like, hey, I'm going the a gap you go to be and I'm just sitting like, okay, people don't know.

01:08:09
Speaker 8: Coach Carl was the best. Like so the year before my senior year or my last year in Nebraska, Coach Carl and I sat down in his office like for like almost two weeks He broke down every single piece of the playbook to me, and I told him, all right, coach, I know where guys fit and how things work. Now I'm gonna start cheating, like crazy cheating. He's like, all right, cool, you can do that, but I'm gonna dog cuss you out in front of everybody if you don't make a play. It's like bet that's our that was our inside rule of like, hey man, you can do whatever you want to, but if you make a mistake and you don't make a play, I'm gonna dog cuss you out in front of everybody. So I would just will take my spot, I'm taking yours, and I just be able to make plays. That's how like in the Missouri game, I got the interception. I just dropped back. I felt something, so I could just play with my instincts. But I knew I could have guys cover up for me, knowing where things were at.

01:09:07
Speaker 5: So was the game where the lights went out at halftime. Everybody's got their phones out. All the lights went out in the locker room at halftime. Yeah, and everybody just got their flashlights on their phone. As we're trying to make adjustments and get snacks and everything else. It's a wild game. And Sue did have a one of his how many picks did you have that year?

01:09:25
Speaker 8: I think I only had two that year the.

01:09:27
Speaker 5: Colorado game, ye a tech when Bo was losing his mind on you, saying like I get him out, Carl, I.

01:09:35
Speaker 11: Need him for sure.

01:09:38
Speaker 8: They definitely went at each other for sure, and I definitely put Carl in some bad situations because I was trying to go make plays.

01:09:44
Speaker 1: You you guys were bringing to that Bateswall Championship game versus Texas. That's the game. There was one second left, they put one second left back on the phone, put one second man, one second back on.

01:09:53
Speaker 5: What can you break that down for me a little bit? What happened?

01:09:55
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it a little bit, but I want to hear from that back then.

01:09:58
Speaker 5: By the way, we were nobody knew were on our way out. We're gonna be out like either after that year or the next year, going to the Big ten. And we feel like there was some I personally feel like there was some illuminati higher up. We're going down. We can't let the hust ship.

01:10:16
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it was it was crazy though, because I mean I had the most excitement in that game. Again, we had everything we knew about what Texas wanted to do. Old line was dog dog water, Yeah, straight dog water, And I knew we could dominate against them. It was just a matter of us, can our offense put up some points and defense was like, man, man, we're gonna have to score ourselves a couple of times. But going back to that play, in that last second, I am like on my horse as hard and as fast as I can as Colt McCoy is rolling out and I'm trying to make sure that he is obliterated into the stands, and I think I almost hit him into bow and I know that in the back of my head the clock is like super super low. He can't just I can't let him get a clean throw off because he's gonna find somebody downfield. And I know they're trying to get this field gold and whatnot. And I turn around and I hop up and I look at the scoreboard.

01:11:18
Speaker 11: It's zero.

01:11:20
Speaker 8: We are champions.

01:11:21
Speaker 5: We storm, We're life sprinting on the field.

01:11:25
Speaker 8: Everybody's elated, like crazy excitement. Then all of a sudden, Bo starts spazzing out, like what do you mean there's a second left on the clock, all these different things, and it's like all right, man, calm down. They still got to make this joint and it's like fifty yards, so like, hey man, we're going to line up and we're trying to run through these guys's faces and block this kit. But we could get there, and for whatever reason, they felt like they deserved a second on the clock.

01:11:58
Speaker 5: But it was what it was, weird jump me so Waley, we're jumping up and down. We win the Big twelve.

01:12:07
Speaker 1: Heartbreak hotel and you were feasting on that offensive line.

01:12:10
Speaker 5: Man, it was Pierre Al He's going off in the locker room after the game.

01:12:14
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't Yeah, I can't imagine that.

01:12:19
Speaker 12: The other day, What is your relationship relationship like with Nebraska now, because I know when we went there before all the renovations, it was the Nanaba can sue weight room spears.

01:12:30
Speaker 1: How involved are you with the program?

01:12:33
Speaker 8: I would say, I'm not that involved. I just met Rule a couple of times. What I did appreciate he called me right when he got the job, which was super nice. We're connected because of some people in Temple and whatnot, and I think he's the right coach for the organization. I'd say this, I'd love to be more involved. I'm behind the scenes supportive of a family, especially the quarterback and dom Ryola Bey and my big brother at Nebraska or not at Thebraska in Detroit and him taking care of me there. So obviously want to see the success of his son and Dylan as well as a young one coming after him. So ultimately I think they've got the right structure. It's going to be recruiting, of course, which and I was absolutely crazy, as we all know now, so it'll be interesting. Man. I want to be able to have bragging rights. Yeah, So hopefully they can turn around the tide and see what happens. I still got the weight room. I took my kids back. I was just inducted in the Nebraska Hall of Fame, which was nice.

01:13:34
Speaker 5: That's awesome.

01:13:35
Speaker 11: So we'll see.

01:13:37
Speaker 8: We'll see how things kind of evolved now that I'm retired. But I'm more busy now than I wasn't pay Yeah, just see.

01:13:44
Speaker 1: The short time we were talking each other before we got on the bus. You're showing those emails and all that stuff, like you are are motoring what about Nebraska was like this I'm assuming you're a massive recruit, will be a four or five star guy.

01:13:56
Speaker 8: I was a four star guy. I was. I wasn't coin. So you talk about having to play on both offensive defense. It's crazy. I went to a US Army All American game and there was the top five defensive tackles there and I was a six. And they were like, uh, there's not really a lot of room and we have some injuries on offense.

01:14:17
Speaker 11: Can you go play offense? I don't care.

01:14:19
Speaker 8: I'll block these dudes. So I played most of the time actually during that game on the offensive line.

01:14:23
Speaker 1: So how'd you like it?

01:14:24
Speaker 8: It was cool. I mean I held my own.

01:14:27
Speaker 1: So do you think you could have could have made it if you played offensive line?

01:14:30
Speaker 8: Oh? No question.

01:14:32
Speaker 5: Really.

01:14:33
Speaker 8: I joked all the time, especially in Tampa.

01:14:36
Speaker 11: Uh.

01:14:37
Speaker 8: And there's been some other coaches like coach Stout that's up in Philly. Hey man, when I retire, I might come come back and play offensive line. I can eat everything in the house and chill and just hold on to guys.

01:14:52
Speaker 5: Misconception was gonna.

01:14:54
Speaker 11: Sit there and hold on to so much, so much.

01:14:57
Speaker 5: Technique involved with the offensive line, and you're talking about nil money.

01:15:03
Speaker 1: I want to know why he went to Nebraska because American you're in that. Who were your top schools that were recruiting you the heaviest and what were you like? Your top five?

01:15:12
Speaker 8: Ish my top five. I took five visits, so University of Miami, Oregon State, Mississippi State, University of cal and then there was one other. I'm drawing a blank on it right now, but I actually committed Mississippi State. My sister went to school there and there was a guy named John Blake that was there before he left and went to Nebraska Calian. So really, John Blake was the one who recruited me and got me to go to Nebraska outside of me knowing it's a great program and rich history and stuff like that. So that was the reason why I went to Nebraska because of John Blake and I could play early and we had a great recruiting class. So I wanted to be a part of some special to turn that tie. Because they had sucked for shoot, yeah for a while, almost two decades.

01:16:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were a live sport for a little bit, had a blip. They're coming back now.

01:16:05
Speaker 8: Yeah.

01:16:05
Speaker 1: I made the first ball games fifteen Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, boys are back. We're coming, We're coming.

01:16:13
Speaker 5: You mentioned in IL earlier. Yeah, you were somebody that was also projected first round draft pick after junior year coming back to Nebraska for your senior year.

01:16:22
Speaker 11: Yeah.

01:16:23
Speaker 5: The talk to the team was it was like, you know, you said down with coach Bow and everybody else, and they talked to you into coming back. But was there any how do I say this nil money involved you coming back your senior.

01:16:35
Speaker 11: Year and then just asked a question.

01:16:38
Speaker 8: No, there wasn't, but there was a stern conversation with coach Bow and coach Bow I don't remember.

01:16:44
Speaker 5: I got it.

01:16:45
Speaker 8: What was his name, lsud.

01:16:46
Speaker 1: Tackle, name of the mic up a little bit, Yeah.

01:16:49
Speaker 5: It's.

01:16:51
Speaker 8: Lsud Tackle. I'm John a blank.

01:16:55
Speaker 5: Uh was it Dorsey?

01:16:56
Speaker 8: Yeah, Glen Dorsey. So Glenn Dorsey lsud Tackle that was there with coach Bow when they won the championship. He was like, man, you're better than him. And I think he was a top five or top ten pick, and he was like, if you have the ability to stay one more year, I'm willing to bet you you'll be in the top three. So all right, cool. And I was projected I think like eighteen or nineteen and to come out in or late first round. Let's just say that. And so I said, all right, I'll come back. I don't mind. It sucks. It's two thousand and eight. The world's on the dumpster fire like nothing, specially. My dad's self employed. My mom's a teacher, so she's cool and whatnot. But I'd love to come out and obviously be able to change my family from that standpoint, but I think it was one of the best decisions I've ever made from that standpoint. And so for me, one more year and I was pretty much done with school. So going into my senior year, I only had one class. I had one class in a lap, So it was like I was already pro. I just had to just chill and do it whatever I wanted from that standpoint and play football. So there was no nil money I wish there was. Was it?

01:18:06
Speaker 5: That hard time coach bo to compare and you're thinking eighteen or nineteen, you know what I mean. It's like eighteen and that's back you were still part of that old CBA. But that's still a shitload of money eighteen or nineteen in the first round compared to like, all right, I'll come back on another year. You think it's really gonna jump up. Yeah, obviously it works out. But it was as simple as a conversation like that. To compare you to Glenn Dorsey.

01:18:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was simple.

01:18:30
Speaker 8: I mean like waiting one more year and I went and got alloyded in London policy. So god forbid anything crazy happened. All right, got my loading London London policy. If I got hurt, and then that was your policy. I remember it's like twenty five million.

01:18:46
Speaker 5: That was three.

01:18:50
Speaker 1: I was a old CBA because you know, your boy actually had the opportunity to leave his junior year as well. But my projection showing me my projection was first round and I decided to come back. But I was on the kool aid of I thought we were gonna win a bake Th championship. We're going six and six.

01:19:05
Speaker 11: Yeah, we didn't.

01:19:06
Speaker 5: We didn't have the talent. We didn't have the talent to get it done.

01:19:08
Speaker 1: But I really thought in my head, yeah, because I wasn't a big broad thinker I was.

01:19:12
Speaker 5: I was.

01:19:12
Speaker 1: I was very zoomed in and I was like, bro, we could win it all off my leadership.

01:19:20
Speaker 11: I love the confidence, dude.

01:19:21
Speaker 1: I really thought we were gonna do it man, but yeah, go, like there had to be a couple of games like I'm sure, like once you make a decision, or I'm gonna co back, I'm gonna take my name out of like the draft pool. Essentially, the fear of yeah, if you get hurt, you have this Lloyd's in London policy is gonna give you twenty five million dollars. But now it's like, well what about legacy? What about all these things? Was ever a fear of doubt going into your senior year now?

01:19:44
Speaker 8: Not really, because I mean I'd already gone through injury like two thousand and seven eight or no, two thousand and eight, going into Yeah, going into the two thousand and eight season, I tore my a CL and so I was like, worst case I get hurt again, Like I bounce back, and I had a great eight year coming off of ACL. Like Mark Meyer took great care of me, Like I got I tore my ACL. March tenth of two thousand and eight, I was back for camp, like he would only let me practice one of days. It's all right, great, that's even better. I don't have to go through two A days. And like I owe Mark so much, I still talk to him all the time just as just a close friend. But if I get hurt again, I got to go through the same process like who cares? Like so I really wasn't scared of it from that perspective, And I came off had one of my best year in college to then back it up with another great year to top that as going into the draft. So for me, the mindset was just just go out there and bawl, have fun.

01:20:42
Speaker 5: So you tore your ACL in March and we're practicing at the end of July, four months.

01:20:49
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Like I owe a lot of credit to a lot of credit to Mark Meyer. Man. He was like one of the best, and I didn't even realize like everything that he was teaching me. He was on my butt like man, I'm gonna get you really and like I remember I think they called Russians like or like these things where he would hang my knee off the back of the table to get range of motion and I would look at him with the most meanest look like death stairs, like I want to kill you right now because it hurts, but like it got me back so fast, and like all his stuff that he had done, like is I own a lot.

01:21:26
Speaker 1: For that, and it's just like pre bfr and all those.

01:21:28
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, yeah, you're doing it the old school, old school way.

01:21:32
Speaker 5: Damn.

01:21:33
Speaker 1: So that is four months is hissses me off.

01:21:40
Speaker 5: He was removed. I'm still hurting. I'm still not recovering. I will say whenever, whenever Taylor tore his The first time was in the middle of the season, right, it was October twenty twenty. October twenty twenty, and we we were training with Dobbs, by the way, was the best man. I remember Dobson telling Taylor. He's like, called me, was it November, December, January, like if we go to the Super Bowl or something. He's like, I'm just letting you know. Sue was able to get back in four months. Yeah, that was like Taylor's Taylor's motivator. Yeah, And I think I think month two, I was like, this is not happening.

01:22:16
Speaker 8: See, But a lot of people don't realize. It's like, obviously got to have a good surgeon, which first and foremost, but then two the rehab, you can't be afraid to push yourself. And that's where I think a lot of people in that first like month, month and a half, they're like super scared, like timid and whatnot. Like really after you get the green light that the graft is good, like really really push, like that's how you come back.

01:22:40
Speaker 5: Majority of the time, it's do anything. It's everything pain free.

01:22:45
Speaker 8: A little pain everybody, everybody, But even a little bit of pain is okay. Like it's just like understanding your pain tolerance and what's the difference between again being hurt and injured, Like there's a big difference between that, Yeah, I have a little pain, like I'm hurt a little bit versus being actually injured and whatnot.

01:23:02
Speaker 1: So yeah, the because the process of the patel A ten and becoming an ACL go through the cocoon process is metamorphous process between weeks twelve and eighteen, and that's when your graft is the most vulnerable and you have to be like really cautious in those like that six week period. But then after that you can you can't push a little bit, buddy, I was, I mean, I don't know how you did in four and four months. I literally was doing like two rehabs a day, Like one was more like physical, the other one was more like taking care of little TLC and like had it up like literally did not focus on anything else but my acl And I mean that first came back tough, slid, tough, slim. But so you get drafted third overall by the Lions, third third, second, Wow, I'm so sorry for disrespecting second overall by the Lions. What is your initial thought when you get to the lines? There's the Lions where you look at Now we're in twenty twenty five, like, holy shit, what a franchise. Campbell's got those boys going. You're a part of a terrible franchise at this point. And it's like, I'm sure there's a level of excitem because you're the second overall pick. Who's the first?

01:24:12
Speaker 8: That quarterback Oklahoma, yep, Sam Braf Sam Bradford, who I sacked by the way, hit him one.

01:24:18
Speaker 1: That I was hot.

01:24:22
Speaker 8: But the thing is I was told like right, maybe like two weeks before the draft, because I took a visit to Saint Louis and I just had an eerie feeling like, man, these do things aren't gonna pick me number one, and being competitive Detroit a great visit gun to kind of him loved me, uh and really kind of had the main decision making power from that standpoint, as he had, like the old statesman there. And then I went to Tampa and Tampa was like, man, we love you. We're gonna come get you. We got twelve picks. We're gonna throw the house at Detroit and come get you.

01:24:52
Speaker 11: I'm like perfect.

01:24:52
Speaker 8: They called me right before the draft and they were like, would you drop And I was like no, but you can come and get me, like we talked about, and I didn't know they knew that Detroit wasn't going to let me get past too. And then they had insight because Schwartz and all those guys with Jeff Fisher, they're all friends, so they knew they were taking Sam Bradford, so they knew they were going to be able to get me and they didn't have to do anything. So lo and behold. I get drafted by Detroit and I was actually pissed off. And it was because, like I just I was expecting Tampa to come get me, and like that's what I was told. I was with the last conversation I have with my agent. But I was like, man, you know what, let me be humble and be like everything happens for a reason. So it's like this city needs this blue collar and grinders, all about work. This is my type of people, strong black community, all these different things. And so I was like, man, let me go in here and try and like change the culture and whatnot. And so when I got in there, you see they brought in Kyle, they have Dom there, they got Matthew Stafford, they got Calvin, they got a group of guys and like, let's go, let's try and make some Hey. Yeah, my first year was tough.

01:26:03
Speaker 5: What was your record your first year?

01:26:04
Speaker 11: Six?

01:26:04
Speaker 8: And it sucked, but I mean I obviously had a good individual year, but I wasn't happy with that by any means. So then we turn around and have an opportunity the next year to come back. I think we're eleven and five, which was better, got to the playoffs, lost in the first round, but started to see and I think what they realized, especially from a front office perspective, we got to get rid of certain guys because they're just here collecting checks, which was which was terrible to see from that standpoint, But man, it's I just went back there and went to the facility for the first time in a decade. A little surreal, but I mean, I love that city. I'm there all the time. I do a bunch of business, got a bunch of mentors, Dan Gilbert, Gary Schiffman, Like had dinner with him the other day, Like it's I love that city.

01:26:48
Speaker 5: Man. What was it like when you left Detroit? Like why were they not able to keep you there and make you the you know, make you the guy for your entire career?

01:26:59
Speaker 8: Man, As I always say, I got kicked out. I wanted to stay there, like and I'll say this again and I said it before, Like at the end of the day, Man, they had an opportunity, They had every opportunity to keep me there if they wanted me to stay there. I gave them last minute. I remember leaving Church right during free agency in fourteen fifteen, and my agent like, you've got a great deal with Miami, Like you're gonna be highest paid, like super crazy guaranteed, and yes, Oakland is paying you are offering you a couple million dollars more. But if you look at taxes and all those different things, because I had spreadsheets like all these different things of like breaking down like all right, they played these tax free cities. They have these ones that are that are non tax free. What all the numbers would break down to I would be losing money going back to Detroit and seeing that thing being in that order because they're like their tax reks, like I think like four or five percent or whatever from a state perspective. So I said, I still love coach Calwell, and I feel like I should be in Detroit. Give them the to match, he said, he went back and they didn't want to match.

01:28:05
Speaker 1: Where were they at before? How far off were they?

01:28:07
Speaker 8: I'll let you ask them. Okay, get Sheilahan on the busting with the boys, and you asked her, do you know the number?

01:28:14
Speaker 11: I know, yeah, I know the number God, And it was nowhere.

01:28:18
Speaker 8: It was nowhere near what I was getting.

01:28:21
Speaker 5: Really.

01:28:24
Speaker 1: Nowhere near.

01:28:25
Speaker 5: And you at this point when you respected on the way.

01:28:27
Speaker 8: Out, oh, no question, without a question, like think of it like this. You know, we joke all the time, but it's all out of love, no love.

01:28:41
Speaker 5: Clip it.

01:28:44
Speaker 2: You know.

01:28:44
Speaker 1: The lines was like, oh my god, I mean, bro, how.

01:28:48
Speaker 5: Do they not keep you? I mean, you're you're there?

01:28:50
Speaker 1: Four years?

01:28:51
Speaker 5: Right?

01:28:52
Speaker 11: Was there? Five years?

01:28:53
Speaker 1: Five years? Five years of true absolute dominance?

01:28:56
Speaker 8: Like even like saying, are we don't really know if we like.

01:29:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice little Mike adjustment.

01:29:05
Speaker 8: All good, We don't even know, like, all right, he's a head case or whatever it is.

01:29:09
Speaker 11: Say whatever you.

01:29:10
Speaker 8: Want to, we'll franchise you. You gotta do it for one more year. I just had my one of my best years of my career. Yeah, I had my rookie yar had ten sacks regular season, but I had ten sacks going to the playoffs, like I had eight, all right, eight and a half, and then I got another two in the playoff game that we should have won against Dallas. So I had my best year. And you don't even consider like franchising me if you're unsure you need one more year to figure out, Oh, is he really worth us giving him a bag?

01:29:40
Speaker 11: Yeah?

01:29:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you gotta keep you gotta keep talent like that on your roster. No, you did have a couple of situations when you're in Detroit. Yeah, yeah, I've heard Will talk about asking you this question. I'm gonna do my best to land this plane. There's a situation and where a quarterback fell on the ground.

01:30:02
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I'll stop you there.

01:30:06
Speaker 5: Absolutely go ahead.

01:30:10
Speaker 8: If you recall there's you've had some incidents yourself.

01:30:14
Speaker 1: I've had a couple a couple.

01:30:17
Speaker 8: Maybe not all of them you've been caught on. But if you remember Andre Branch, yeah, you remember the time you wanted to kill you killed me?

01:30:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he was in the back, when I took him to the back of the end zone.

01:30:29
Speaker 8: I'm just saying that is that there's there's been some things. We all have had mistakes, but they don't define us at.

01:30:36
Speaker 2: The end of the day.

01:30:36
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that.

01:30:37
Speaker 8: But and going into that situation, and I remember vividly leaving the game at halftime and I'm sitting here and you can probably find this picture. I'm talking to the red and I'm like, my face is adamant. I'm saying, if you don't deal with this, dude, keep punching me in my face, play after play after play. It's a legal hands to the face. It's not legal. If you don't deal with it, I'm gonna deal with it.

01:31:07
Speaker 1: He didn't deal with it.

01:31:08
Speaker 11: He didn't deal with it.

01:31:10
Speaker 5: So when you was mushing the old linment, Okay, So then there's another one with the with Aaron Rodgers. Yea with Aaron Rodgers.

01:31:23
Speaker 8: Yeah, that that to me is complete bs, because if you go back and watch the play like I'm toussing like two or three aliment and I'm getting pushed back like I don't I'm not looking. I don't have eyes in the back of my head to see what he's going on and what he's doing. And I think that's why the NFL at the end of the day was like, hey, like, look like, I'm not looking at where he's at. I just got done figuring out fighting two and three of you.

01:31:51
Speaker 5: Damn look at you like you are in full control of your body. Show like the living room or something. You might step on one of your kids toys. You feel it, and you like stop and turn around. You felt it, and then when another one it stood there and yeah, and that's so real.

01:32:13
Speaker 1: You put your foot on a lego you like get off of as quick as possible. You let that foot sit there for a minute.

01:32:19
Speaker 5: You let that there.

01:32:20
Speaker 8: Believe what you want to believe at the end of the day, and I'm not going to sit here. I got fined for it, rightfully so or not. That's for where everybody is a biased opinion or unbiased opinion.

01:32:28
Speaker 11: You do it.

01:32:29
Speaker 8: But on the day, like those things happen, Like there's times where people are really intentional, Like we've seen some stuff with some clips with some guys where like they're actually like trying to hurt.

01:32:39
Speaker 1: People from the hitting somebody on interception.

01:32:41
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly so, but I mean exactly.

01:32:45
Speaker 1: For he was when Andre Branch wanted to kill you. So we played a preseason game, maybe seventeen. Yeah, seventeen. We're playing a preseason game, and I take like it is what it is. I took Audre Brand for a ride in the back of the en zone. We ends up scoring. My helmet comes off, he gets in my face. I started laughing in his face, and then we go off the sideline. To me, it's like football like we had We had a little you know me, yes, yeah, yeah.

01:33:13
Speaker 8: The other one is smoke and he caught some smoke some times.

01:33:15
Speaker 1: Yeah I did.

01:33:16
Speaker 5: I was, you know.

01:33:17
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I don't know if I ever say anything to you, but I would definitely would always yeah against me when you hear me talking.

01:33:24
Speaker 11: I'm sure I spoke a lot.

01:33:25
Speaker 1: I was always talking to So I take Andre Branch to the to the end zone, the back of the end zone after a long drive.

01:33:32
Speaker 8: I don't know about that way I represent my dog. But listen, I got him have some good bat and he was.

01:33:38
Speaker 1: At uh he was at Jacksonville before that, right, Yeah, so I played him a bunch, so I kind of knew him. He knew me, but I took him and you know whatever. So twenty eighteen happens when I get knocked out. He's Andre Branch is the one that knocked me out.

01:33:52
Speaker 5: That smoke, so he was this is a plan.

01:33:59
Speaker 1: This dude was the guy saying body bag.

01:34:01
Speaker 8: Also, I'll say this, you had there was some people at your neck, No doubt Taylor had had some bounties on his head, like respectful bounties or within the line as much as you can.

01:34:18
Speaker 5: Taylor, was he ever popping off to you.

01:34:21
Speaker 8: He would chirp, but then like it's like a respectful chirt, Like I'm like, I'm not afraid of you, which I respect, But at the same time, I'm not finna really try and piss you off, because I know if I piss you off, I might I have to ask some other people to get into this battle, because.

01:34:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me with like a guy like Sue, if I'm gonna talk shit to Sue, I'm not.

01:34:44
Speaker 5: I don't really play you. You're like a three.

01:34:45
Speaker 1: I'll hit you in a couple of doubles every once in a while, like a third down pound to be out the nine. I'll just wide set you my basketball with you. I'm not letting you come down come down the pipe. But if I go talk to Sue, I'm fucking over Roger Sapple Quinn Spain.

01:34:58
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, so.

01:35:00
Speaker 8: We would have to story would be.

01:35:04
Speaker 1: Because we didn't play You went in fifteen to Miami. Yeah, so fifteen we played, y'll maybe fifteen or sixteen, Yeah, And I had James Harrison my rookie year, and I was mouthing off to James Harrison, but that was a me and him thing. So when we go to this game, it's like, hey, don't wake the sleeping giant. And it was essentially like the offensive would come to me and be like, if you speak to suit today, we're gonna put hands on you in the locker room. Like you don't, like you can say whoever you want to wear everybody else, but like, do not speak to suit. Right, So then I would go to the banter with Sue like trying to like, you know, if I can get this guy to crack a smile like that, that's my fun. But for him, it's like, I don't have to deal with this sixty two snaps, maybe like three four snaps a game. So I'm trying to help my boys out with.

01:35:48
Speaker 5: Branch hand story that's full circle.

01:35:52
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, I knew you were on the team, so I was good enough to have something in my head.

01:35:58
Speaker 8: Huh, yeah you were.

01:36:00
Speaker 11: You were. I mean, you definitely were.

01:36:05
Speaker 5: And I did say, oh, I got this guy in the open field. He doesn't even see me, and now he's asleep on the ground.

01:36:11
Speaker 1: They changed so after this game, they actually after the season, they changed the rule of blindside blocks.

01:36:17
Speaker 8: But the thing is, was it I don't know if it was. It was changed way before that. It was just only changed for probably the offense because I don't remember. Kyle Van Deenbosch, he got blindsided by a receiver coming out in like he's aimed at the quarterback inside and dude just hit him in the side of the head.

01:36:38
Speaker 11: Yeah.

01:36:39
Speaker 8: Crazy, and he ended up having a bad neck because of that and went on. So that was they started protecting defense and then obviously we try to start getting back at y'all. Because of that.

01:36:50
Speaker 5: Teams would do that. They like Jets sweep on like a talls or something, and the receiver would just take off on the end. Bro.

01:36:56
Speaker 1: I hate to I hate to keep this on, but was there was the coaching staff and this hit on me.

01:37:01
Speaker 5: No, no, no, it was.

01:37:04
Speaker 8: Just like it was. I would say, Branch for sure had it out for you, because obviously you guys had history.

01:37:11
Speaker 1: Which I legit honestly, before that hit, I wouldn't even thinking like stuff like, oh me and this Branch do have any issues?

01:37:19
Speaker 5: That's true.

01:37:19
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't even think like I got him. I mean a few times, like when he's at Jacksonville, like I played against him well, and I would obviously talk ship, but in my mind, like once again, I don't feel.

01:37:29
Speaker 8: Like you and Jordan Phillips got into it a lot, yes, and he was on you like he was on.

01:37:36
Speaker 1: He was at Buffalo. That's why I had my mix up with the Bills. Remember Bill's mafia came at my throat because of who was the We were literally just there shacks shack gloss.

01:37:46
Speaker 5: Yeah.

01:37:46
Speaker 11: Yeah.

01:37:47
Speaker 1: It was like you're a stud first round pick. And I put up his stats it was like six tackles, you know, for the season, and I was like you're a stud. And then Phillips came at me. But the weird thing about Phillips, if he's really saying these things behind closed doors on the field, he's mister nice guy to.

01:38:01
Speaker 8: Me, at least not in Miami, I don't think so.

01:38:06
Speaker 1: He probably had big Bro watching out.

01:38:08
Speaker 8: Yeah for sure. But I remember y'all getting into it a couple times, especially. I feel like here in Tennessee.

01:38:13
Speaker 5: Miami, that was the longest game of all bro I know. And so how much you.

01:38:19
Speaker 6: Get I have no clue you with something you were so you had, Oh not not bounties as in like paid, No, it's just pride individual.

01:38:32
Speaker 8: No, not hurting, like getting back at you.

01:38:34
Speaker 1: I made a promise to myself too, which I will not keep.

01:38:37
Speaker 5: Well.

01:38:37
Speaker 1: I was like, if I ever see Andre branch I got to walk up and swing on him. No words. Really, I remember like after like that blindside like that, I was like, I gotta go up and just swinging like that.

01:38:48
Speaker 8: But obviously it's the case for all the high loans.

01:38:50
Speaker 11: I got a lot of people to go.

01:38:54
Speaker 1: Seven years now. I like it is what it is. It's over. But nothing pisses me off more than watching that back and seeing y'all, I don't know if you were in the clip, but being like body bag, we got a body back in the coach, but I don't even know.

01:39:05
Speaker 8: I don't think I was on the field for that one.

01:39:08
Speaker 1: This is this is when they're waking my ass up because there's a there was a Miami and Titan start fighting. Like I woke up, and I'm like this only time I see a fight, Like I get in there, I have to take my boys, and they're like there. They pulled me up and they're like, Taylor, you know you got knocked out. You're straight, And I just start crying. I didn't know even dude, I just cried from it. We had the same thing happened with Jack Conker, Like yeah, I was like crying. Then Ben Jones are center puts a towel over my head after this.

01:39:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, you weren't so Phillips right there.

01:39:38
Speaker 1: Yeah he said, oh yeah, he said, we got his ass.

01:39:42
Speaker 5: Twenty fifteen, you signed the biggest deal for these defensive player in the history.

01:39:47
Speaker 11: YEP.

01:39:48
Speaker 5: Fifteen and sixteen. You have two career years, you're like top sixteen, the NFL, Top one hundred. YEAP twenty seventeen season happens, and you get released after that.

01:39:58
Speaker 8: Season first time ever cut my history.

01:40:00
Speaker 5: What happened in Miami.

01:40:02
Speaker 8: I would not speak of his name, but Steven Ross was put in a terrible position where he had to choose between me and the head coach, and rightfully so, and maybe not even rightfully so. At the end of the day, he had no control from my understanding, and because the person that had control was the head coach that had the ability to cut and bring players in and whatnot. It wasn't even the GM at that time, and this was like a super weird situation or whatever. So this the head coach had have been debta for me for whatever reason.

01:40:36
Speaker 5: Was there a moment that caused the friction.

01:40:38
Speaker 8: I think there was a handful of moments throughout the probably two years that I was there with him as a head coach, because Joe Philbin was the first coach that I had in Miami, and then Dan Campbell was interim, which was a blast, like a great dude to play for. I got to catch up with him in Detroit recently, and then this slap Dick came in as the head coach for the last two years of my tenure in Miami and he and.

01:41:05
Speaker 1: He had roster control, and he goes up to the owner of the Miami Dolphins and says him or.

01:41:11
Speaker 5: Me basically crazy.

01:41:14
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he tried to he got rid of Jaya ji Uh, tried to ruin his career like and out of him, like in our team meeting in like the most weirdest way, and sent him to Philly. And I think jag I end up winning championship with Philly, which was a great situation for him. But yeah, he was trying to like he had been dead as out for like guys that just didn't grovel at his feet, which was weird.

01:41:39
Speaker 1: To kiss the ring from him.

01:41:41
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like, but what ring did you? Did you earn? I don't even know if he ever won a championship.

01:41:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like his.

01:41:48
Speaker 8: Claim to fame was like I was a o c or like the quarterbacks coach for Peyton. Peyton didn't need you. Peyton was way good before you, Like he had Tony Dudgy Jim Calwell, like he had like real coaches that actually made him in like aka, his dad is a boss too, So like it came with the roots.

01:42:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, then after that, you end up going to the Rams the rams.

01:42:14
Speaker 11: Yeah, how did how.

01:42:15
Speaker 5: Did your contract situation work? Because you ended up representing yourself right.

01:42:19
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was times where I represented myself and I was always involved in my contracts and I knew like so when I was trying to represent myself, it was always interesting. I needed to always kind of have like a face for me too, because gms didn't really want to talk to me, Like Jason Light was the only GM that would physically like have a real conversation when I was representing myself. So it was it was always interesting. But I really after my rookie deal and like kind of going back to the whole thing with Detroit, my rookie deal there was not what I wanted, but I said, cool, you don't want to pay me more than Matthew Stafford. From that standpoint, great, I'll earn it on the back end, and saying like, I'll show you that I'm worth more than what you're paying me, So I'll get I'll get on the back end and prove it to you. And so going back to your common of like representing yourself, I started reading contracts understanding it got with the PA, saw all the different rules, saw offset clauses and then seeing like the difference between cash over cap and all these different particular pieces. And so when I got cut, like I got to go, I chose between New Orleans LA, and I was looking at the Raiders again because I think Gruden was the head coach there at the time and whatnot. And but LA ended up being the better situation because my guy Ted Rath was there and he really was kind of the one over the hunt. And then I had a really an amazing dinner with Cronky, and Cronky and his family are amazing great people. So like it was, it was just a good situation. But I was always involved in my contracts, man, Like you got to understand the numbers. You got to understand what you're signing up for and what you're getting into and just the nuances of how you can have leverage but also have an opportunity to make the.

01:44:02
Speaker 5: Most confidence negotiating.

01:44:04
Speaker 8: Yeah, how how is that so much fun? Because how are.

01:44:09
Speaker 5: You prepping yourself on that? Is there something that is there questions you're asking a mentor is there a reading that you're doing?

01:44:15
Speaker 8: So I want to equip you for Yeah, so I I leveraged the PA a lot, and uh, he may probably not want me to say this, but Don Davis gave me a ton of information of like how to understand the deals. But then also like where previous guys are where they've had some success, were their stats, like putting these spreadsheets together and alin it and all together, putting it together. It's like you really want to go the stat piece, like we can have fun with this, and then let's go look at percentage of what it's the analytics, what's the big analytics group that was out and it's still kind of out there now pff, and like seeing like all those different things and like they're misconstrued. But also they show some pictures of like how many people that I'm double team with, Like that year that I was with me and Aaron Donald, Like I got more double teams in Aaron Donald. Like if you go back and look at the math, because that was on purpose though we put him his positions to go win one on once, Aaron Donald one on once. He's gonna win every single time, so why not take so my stats look terrible then, but then you back that up. He had his career year in sacks. Then you turn around the next year, I'm gone not as good as stats for him, but still obviously a great and amazing player. Shaq Barrett, who's considered a nobody, leads the league in sacks. Yeah, there's a common de neighbor denominator there, right, Like let's let's let's put the pieces of puzzle together. So like ultimately, like when you like, when you're in those negotiations, those are the things that you have to lay out to them to say, oh, like he does have a point in some point that I can't refute.

01:45:48
Speaker 1: When when you're going through these negotiations, what do you think is the most uh overlook stat that these gms and teams like you brough up a great point with the double teams like people a lot of times, I think, especially just regular fans can go and google what is the domink ensous stats twenty eighteen. Yeah, and you just look at that, but you don't see the full picture. What are some things that you see gms and teams maybe not evaluating and not they don't notice when it comes to contract negotiations.

01:46:13
Speaker 8: Two things I would say there for you, when you were in your offensive line meetings and you're OC, did your OC ever circle me?

01:46:21
Speaker 1: Yeah?

01:46:23
Speaker 8: That's one two. I would probably have to say, if you ultimately look at intangibles as that person, how do they affect the team, like in a positive manner or a negative? Are they a cancer or are they not a cancer? Do they elevate guys? Do they bring guys around them and make them better. It's another intangible that you can't really quantify, but it's very, very important, And I would always take this as the greatest compliment. Guys would hate to play against me, but would love for me to be on their team, especially once you actually got to know me and be around me, because I think, like Vita said, it like probably the best and like, I mean, we're even closer now than we were we when we played together. But when I first got to Tampa, he was like I just had Jared McCoy, super fun, loving dude. Like I got sued, now, Like how am I going to deal? Like everybody is like worst person, all these different things, and like not he's like total opposite of type of person I am.

01:47:26
Speaker 1: So do you think a lot of people you were more of the more misunderstood players in NFL history?

01:47:32
Speaker 11: Yeah?

01:47:32
Speaker 8: For sure. But I also realized early on in my career, especially after probably like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, there's got to be a villain in the league. There's going to be the pretty boy, and then there's going to be the All Star and sometimes too. So I was a villain pretty boy probably Tom would say that, and then like the Angel and like the All World, I'd probably say for a short period of time, you got t bow And then obviously Peyton.

01:48:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did play a great heel. You did play a fantastic heel. So you as you were kind of realizing and having that like, Okay, there's these kind of three main characters in an NFL season, and he realized where you kind of line up as the villain. Did you find yourself pulling away from that characteristics or like buying more into Okay, if this is what the world wants to see me, as that's what I'm going to show.

01:48:22
Speaker 8: Them, then it's interesting that you asked that question. So I think probably the best meeting that I had when I got suspended in twenty eleven, I went and Phil Knight called me into his office. I was home. He found out I was home. There's somebody who's super close between the two of us. I connected us it's funny. I just I just talked to him yesterday and he pulled me into his office and requested me to come. So I went and sat down with him. He was like, man, you may not realize it right now, but we're going to leverage this and we're going to put you in commercials. We're going to do different great things. So that's how I kind of leaned into it, and that's why I'm so loyal to the brand of Nike, because they saw something and Phil saw something in me, not only being a hometown kid, but seeing me as an individual and being able to say, we can build some special stuff around you. Uh, and that is even more special because you're on the defense side of the ball. You're not Calvin catching balls, you're not a quarterback throwing it. Like, we're going to leverage you from that standpoint, and there's going to be other things that you can do. And like they let me have so much access and different things like that, and like, I'm so happy even from Nike's perspective now, I think they're on a rocket ship, especially now with Elliott Hill at the Helm, who I interned underneath in twenty twelve.

01:49:39
Speaker 1: So oh shit, Yeah, so that's the reason why you didn't pick your foot up and you fell.

01:49:43
Speaker 5: Darann Rogers cat.

01:49:46
Speaker 11: I believe that.

01:49:48
Speaker 5: Come on, you take pride and being like, what is it? Number two? Old time in fines over t career.

01:49:54
Speaker 8: They went, they went to help some kids, hopefully did you.

01:49:58
Speaker 5: End up seeing There was an article that an elementary school did back in the early twenty ten's. His name was Alex and he the theme for the project was write a paper on your role model. His role model was you, because he wanted to prove that you're one of the most misunderstood You're the most misunderstood player in the NFL. Teacher wouldn't let him and told his mom, hey, he needs to rethink somebody else. She felt like she knew enough about you to know you shouldn't be writing on a Dominican su They go back and forth, kids up, she ends up, the teacher concedes, kid ends up writing the paper. She grades him an a and ends up apologizing, saying she had she had a misrepresentation on who you were. Did you do you remember that? Do you remember that article at all? Because the kid did a research paper and might have got connected with somebody on your side but I thought it was cool that a kid was so influenced by you and wanted to prove that, Hey, this dude, for the antics you might see, he's one of the most misunderstood guys in the NFL.

01:50:57
Speaker 8: No, that's super dope. I honestly don't remember. I'd love to see the article to this day for sure, and then I'd be remiss not to say this. You got to give a lot of credit to that teacher because you usually hear the opposite of the stories where this teacher puts their foot down and they end up creating something, and the friction between them and that child, and that that teacher was like, Man, I'm an adult enough to be humble enough to say this child like I was wrong and you proved me right, and I appreciate that. So you got to give that teacher kudos as well.

01:51:28
Speaker 5: We got about ten minutes left to I have a couple more questions for you. Would say that Ricky Henry thinks you misunderstood.

01:51:35
Speaker 8: Why you say, Ricky Hendrey, Yeah, Ricky had some battle, remember I remember, Ricky. Yeah, give me a little details.

01:51:43
Speaker 5: You dropped him. I gave nobody on the field said a word and everybody just kind of moved ten yards and we continued the scrimmage.

01:51:58
Speaker 1: We continued to give give me more, give me more context.

01:52:01
Speaker 5: Anybody else does more contact on what happened Ricky, who knows they were getting into a battle. Ricky could have been.

01:52:07
Speaker 8: So I'll explain to you this way, Taylor, Taylor, if if the reason why on.

01:52:14
Speaker 5: The field, I'm trying to give you up everybody.

01:52:20
Speaker 8: The reason why my a c O was torn. And people don't know this. I don't remember we're doing one on ones. I don't remember this guy's name. He was offensive tackle, but he was like tweeting between tackling car. He tugs on my jersey after I beat him, and that was the first time I tore.

01:52:37
Speaker 11: My a c O.

01:52:39
Speaker 8: And we always told dudes, dude, once we beat you, let us go. You know, Ricky's hard headed. Ricky don't listen. Ricky does what Ricky wants to do. So Ricky had to learn the hard way.

01:52:56
Speaker 5: Hey, But the difference is, Taylor, you know, any other player does it. You're getting something's happened. And now, yeah, that was you going into your senior year. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no big suit. But that's what I'm saying, everybody looks like, oh fuck.

01:53:12
Speaker 1: Just laying there in the corner.

01:53:15
Speaker 5: Move it up ten like you know, guys. Guys might get into a scuff afterwards, both and everybody take off running. Everybody do this discipline. Something nobody said a war just kept the movie. They said nothing to suit.

01:53:27
Speaker 8: Yeah, we we had a conversation though, But how was.

01:53:33
Speaker 5: At a spring practice? When did we go out?

01:53:35
Speaker 2: There?

01:53:35
Speaker 5: Was it last year? Some last year was him and computer. They were all ripping around enjoying spring practice. But they're doing well, they're doing well. But yeah, that memory will always be ingrained in my brain.

01:53:47
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a core memory for you.

01:53:49
Speaker 5: That's a poor one because I see Sue like we weren't. We weren't like he was tyed with my boy, my roommate Zoe Whaley. But I never got the like rock with Sue. It was just always the war lore.

01:54:02
Speaker 11: There was no lore bro the.

01:54:06
Speaker 5: Absolutely we have so many like middle You.

01:54:09
Speaker 8: Were around all the time because you was cool, my boy harf absolutely so obviously so, but you weren't like all right, was my click, My click was me Harve, my ace. But Cody wasn't really there. Cody was there like towards that he would be in and out because he was dating oh girl, Yeah, and he was in the league, and so he would come in and out. But yeah and Zoe. So it was like mainly me and Harves. That would be obviously like we go out and have fun and whatnot, and you would be able to be around, but you could be in the mix mix because we'd also be in some places where like you know, some of the parties, like you're kind of the only white guy there.

01:54:56
Speaker 11: But it was it was fun, man.

01:54:58
Speaker 1: But you got token.

01:55:00
Speaker 5: I was talking. My boy was Zoe Fonzo, like the crew that I hung with. But I would just try and place myself in this situe. You know, I fucking around with Sue and he called me like, fuck boy, that's my guy.

01:55:13
Speaker 1: That's my guy.

01:55:14
Speaker 5: He like cuts me out walking past me in the hallway and I'd be walking next to to me. I beg, that's us. That's just how we operate.

01:55:20
Speaker 1: Some people going like, well's got a weird thing with eat a bullome or something. We had eight minutes hold on before you asked that question. I want to know on your board, somebody on your board invested a lot of money in Coca Cola a long time ago. Okay, how did you get the relationship with Warren Buffett?

01:55:38
Speaker 5: Uh?

01:55:39
Speaker 8: Easy answer and quick answer.

01:55:43
Speaker 11: Would be Tom Osborne.

01:55:44
Speaker 8: Uh So my senior year he was an honorary captain as in mister Buffett, and I was like, they wanted me to meet him, and I was like, they asked me, do you even know who he is? I was like, do I live under a rock? Of course I knew who it is. So for that season, I asked Thomas, hey, it would you introduce us? And he was like, I will, but I can't guarantee he'll meet with you.

01:56:07
Speaker 11: And I was like, totally cool.

01:56:08
Speaker 8: So uh he said yes. I got to his office two hours before the meeting time, sat there and it was like talking to my dad and we just hit it off. It took a liking to me. I always followed up to it with him. Was just at Berkshire Hathaway meeting this past May. I got to see that great announcement and I mean I even he's spent time with my wife, my boys, like he's one of the best.

01:56:35
Speaker 11: That's awesome.

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01:57:11
Speaker 1: Keep a tasty don't sleep with that pineapple, by the way, I love that.

01:57:15
Speaker 5: I was doing my homework and catching up on your new show, No Free Lunch, a podcast that you just launched not too long ago, And one question you always ask your guests at the end is what is the biggest price that you've paid for a breakthrough? So now you, being a guest, I will ask you what's the biggest price that you paid for a breakthrough?

01:57:34
Speaker 8: I mean if I have to pick one. I've had been fortunate enough to have a lot of breakthroughs in life and a lot of lessons learned. But I think the biggest price to date I've had to take was losing my dad this past summer. That was, man, one of the toughest things I've ever had to deal with. And I don't want to get emotional, but yeah, I'll leave it there. It's it's still it still sucks to this day, but he's somebody that I miss talking to every single day and I learned so much from him and whatnot.

01:58:08
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. Man. It makes me emotional hearing that too, because I was reading up on the way you talk about your dad. I lost my mom a few years ago, and I feel like it's such a shitty thing that happens, but you being a father, it's like the only way you keep them alive and keep them around. I would love to say, like, yes, I would be the same intentional dad that I would be that I am right now, you know if my mom was still around. But I feel like it's made me that much more intentional about being a father because of what that person meant to you.

01:58:38
Speaker 8: I'll give you this short example. My dad and I were super close. We built a lot of projects together from a real estate perspective, and he was in the construction industry. He's a mechanical engineer. And there's a property and it's so weird and it's so eerie. He was like, I want us to go buy this property, and I'm like, Dad, I love you, but no, I'm busy. I'm gonna go do some other stuff. Ye he goes and buys the property without me. He buys it on contract, and like six months later he comes back and he's like, son, I bought this property, like I want to refinance it or whatever. And I was like, don't do it. Here's a cash like we'll we'll develop it later. And I'm just like, here's the money, like leave me alone, Like let's let's go work on some other stuff. That's because we're at that I think at that time we were building like fifteen apartments somewhere, a multi family. That's really my big focus at the time, and this was like a warehouse spot this today in the last six months. You probably see it on my Instagram or whatever if you follow me or whatever. And I'd go there almost five times a week with my boys, porn concrete, building stuff, using my excavator, using my skids steer, Like it is insane. And I wouldn't have had that if my dad would have brought that property. So it's like and my kids are immersed in loving doing that stuff and it's humbling, like moving stuff, moving earth and like these different things and like so it's crazy. Like he had this crazy vision of like real estate and stuff that I missed being able to talk to him about.

02:00:07
Speaker 5: That's amazing, bro. That is he Also I know that there was it was you retired on July twelfth, or a year after your dad had passed, and there was a quote, I think from your dad saying like let the game of football go. Yeah, how was that conversation going? Were you like talking about juggling football? And he just kind of was like, hey, here's here's what my opinion is.

02:00:28
Speaker 8: So he was it's insane. He was diagnosed with prostate cancer in twenty nineteen, stage four, so he when we found that out, he was supposed to be.

02:00:38
Speaker 2: Maybe a year.

02:00:39
Speaker 8: For lucky you didn't pass until twenty twenty four, five years later. Like, it's insane from that standpoint, and so when he's asked me to retire, he's like, basically, spend time with me, Spend time with your family. Like me and my older sister were in a feud, and he's like, spend time with your older sister, like even though she was wrong, some things you were wrong and some things like bring the family back together, and like let's do that. And it's it's so that's where like it was more meaningful for me to do it that day than than anything because he'd always wanted me to retire, and I was like, I want to go chase the second ring. I want to go chase the second ring. And like I'd always sit in the back of my head like having that there with me, like, nah, I'm not I'm not going to do that. I need to go spend time with my family, my boys, my wife, and kind of go from there.

02:01:30
Speaker 5: I love that man. That is beautiful. You want to ask him the bud like question, Yeah, I can't.

02:01:34
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'll ask it. No, I'll ask it. So and he would people would do anything for ice, cold, bud light, anything. What is something you would do anything for? Can't say family, can't say family?

02:01:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, be the most successful ex football player to ever.

02:01:57
Speaker 8: Live now, because like there's always going to be the next person that's probably most successful to me, So it's hard to say that. I mean, I believe everything happens for a reason, Like the family is really the only thing I would do anything for. To be honest with you, Like money's cool and all, but it's not the end all be all.

02:02:21
Speaker 5: Like what's an ambition in your like development, whatever whatever venture you're getting into. You mentioned AI earlier, But what's like a selfish ambition you would like to accomplish.

02:02:33
Speaker 8: A selfish ambition? I would say my friends that I'm really close to to understand the circles that I've been able to be in is afforded to them at all times, at all levels. And that's what I don't think they understand because my mentors that the Warren buffets. I'm not going to say these other guys' names, but like I just got pressed out in the hand and it was like really rewarding and a great feeling at the same time. But it's like, stop wasting your time with some of these other stuff and like really just come work with us and like let's go build some fun stuff, like be focused and basically saying, take advantage of the access we're giving you.

02:03:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will, And I don't think we're all building a property to.

02:03:24
Speaker 11: Yeah we are.

02:03:25
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, I'm I'm dead ass.

02:03:28
Speaker 5: Hey I am dead ass. I think I can say we are dead ass.

02:03:31
Speaker 1: We're dead ass. We collectively, the three of us are dead ass, right, Yeah, because he.

02:03:35
Speaker 5: Said, he's like, please tell me you want it, And it pained me to be like, I know, we have tried.

02:03:41
Speaker 1: It didn't work, but buddy, we up until very recently, we've been very balling on a budget, like just trying to utilize every single extra dollar to gain more access to this better quality that and like you see the things along with the amazing partners we have, Like yeah, we now have the access and the funds to start like taking next steps, which is awesome, but it really is like literally the last what two weeks, three weeks for you and me.

02:04:04
Speaker 8: Who's who's the best construction company in Tennessee right now?

02:04:08
Speaker 1: Construction company?

02:04:09
Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe maybe there's a partnership there.

02:04:13
Speaker 1: You know a guy named Ford Tomlin who his family has been in like a commercial real estate and construction for a long time. Success.

02:04:21
Speaker 8: There's a ton of Cranes. Was just driving down the street, like I saw people that.

02:04:25
Speaker 1: There's a guy named Tony who built five h five.

02:04:28
Speaker 8: That building the new stadium.

02:04:33
Speaker 5: I don't know.

02:04:34
Speaker 1: And these are all the questions like this, like when yeah, when you're like when I'm on a microphone, people are listening to us right now and you're asking this question. I'm feeling dumber because I'm like, it's no, no, no, It's like a level of like that is something that you literally should just find out and make a relationship with. Like you see the Cranes, it should click in your head, like there's so much going on, I wonder how we could be a part of X, Y and Z.

02:04:55
Speaker 11: And going to do is bring me in.

02:04:57
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be a real estate vertical for you guys. Let's go.

02:05:00
Speaker 5: I love that every.

02:05:06
Speaker 1: One cheeky, bullshit, clippy question before you go. If you could choose, if you could change, go back in time and change one thing about your NFL career, what would you change?

02:05:15
Speaker 5: Nothing?

02:05:16
Speaker 1: Come on, there's not one thing, one altercation, one conversation, penalty, one play, nothing.

02:05:24
Speaker 8: Because it would it would I wouldn't be who I am today if I didn't have.

02:05:26
Speaker 1: That butterflyffa guy cut your guy right now. It's a great movie, but there's not one thing.

02:05:34
Speaker 5: Like he he. I'll give you one.

02:05:35
Speaker 1: I'll give you one. I wish I had looked the left in twenty eighteen against the Miami Dolphins, right like, that's that's a good one.

02:05:42
Speaker 5: You ever get got?

02:05:44
Speaker 1: I got his ass once.

02:05:46
Speaker 8: I've ever gotten got, I've gotten got. But you wouldn't have known that I got got hey.

02:05:51
Speaker 5: I got you once.

02:05:52
Speaker 1: Win double team took you, I took your took you back win Miami.

02:05:58
Speaker 11: Pull a clip up.

02:06:00
Speaker 1: Listen, we're having a good time here. There was a couple. Man, we caught you slipping.

02:06:09
Speaker 5: I caught that hip a little bit.

02:06:10
Speaker 1: All I'm saying everyone.

02:06:13
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, getting my hip.

02:06:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, we take you about five six I mean, huh five six yards.

02:06:21
Speaker 8: Maybe like a yard and a half yard and a come on, man, because you know I'm usually spinning out of those things once I once, once I feel that, I'm like, just go and get it out of here. I took that loss.

02:06:37
Speaker 1: Hit the tap. Let me get water too.

02:06:41
Speaker 5: You've never been like put down.

02:06:44
Speaker 8: I mean there's been some times where like I've jumped up in the air and guys have like pushed me down and got me like that, but like somebody just a main handling me. I don't I don't see that.

02:06:56
Speaker 1: Did you have a welcome to the NFL moment?

02:06:58
Speaker 8: Welcome to the NFL? I don't think so, but somebody else might you.

02:07:10
Speaker 5: Have an welcome to the NFL moment? The NFL had a welcome, Yeah, welcome to the Hey, we appreciate you, bro An, enlighten.

02:07:21
Speaker 11: Thank you.

02:07:22
Speaker 5: Go check out No Free Lunch, subscribe to it and don sue Kisses.

02:07:26
Speaker 8: Are you subscribed to No Free Lunch?

02:07:29
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Okay, okay, I consumed about I've consumed about four episodes.

02:07:34
Speaker 8: Of I Appreciate the Poor Boss.

02:07:37
Speaker 1: I'll be subscribing. Are you subscribed, guys, Big Kisses'll see you next time.

02:07:48
Speaker 8: That was a good one. H