BobbyCast Presents: Unsigned & Independent: S.2 Ep. 5: Royale Lynn - Creating Her Own Genre Known as 'Punktry'

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Speaker 1: We're back for another episode of Unsigned and Independent with Old Kevin O'Connell aka Kickoff Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Who's the artist Kevin?

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Speaker 3: We got Royal Linn in on this week.

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Speaker 2: Royal Len sounds very regal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a Canadian.

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Speaker 2: That's probably why it sounds regal.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Canadians are very nice. Once I was in Toronto and I was lost, and I have my phone up and I was trying to find this place on the map and I thought I was about to be mugged. And the person was like, can I help you find your place? And I was like, well, you might be the nicest mucker ever. They saw me struggling.

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Speaker 2: And so Royal Lynn.

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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about Royal Lan because I'm assuming Royal Lyn is a female.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so tell me about her.

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Speaker 4: So she's got this sound to her and this look to her called that she calls names it punk tree, and it's kind of like a hearty feel to it. It's got country lyrics but a punk rock sound to it.

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Speaker 3: And that's what drew me to her.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, wow, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Royal Lynn from Ontario, Canada, Canada, Nashville, twenty fifteen. Does she play instrument like she is she a player too? Like does she play and sing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, guitar lead singer.

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Speaker 4: She got a great band, she's got a great.

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Speaker 3: Look to her, and she's got a lot going on this year.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever sang? Have you ever been a singer? I have not? Are you a singer?

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Speaker 3: Depends how many drinks we have.

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like you'd be the kind of guy to surprise us and be like, well, actually I sang in you know my high school cool?

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Speaker 2: I mean you did move all over Europe?

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I've been to fourteen countries over there.

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Speaker 2: So it's like that's surprising, Like you didn't you live there? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I lived there for three months in Spain and done a lot of traveling. But no, the whole instrument or singing never really dabbled in that.

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Speaker 2: There's always a surprise from you.

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Speaker 1: Well. Royal and Kevin talked about her first week in Nashville, how she met Blake Shelton, She was around all these major songwriters, didn't even realize what she was doing. It's time and does she talk about because I know it's a thing where people.

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Speaker 2: That aren't from here are from here at her.

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Speaker 4: Visa, Yeah, that was the most interesting thing to me that I found out. She has to have an oh one vacher I don't want to say too much here, and she has to have somebody here basically sign her a waiver, almost like she is actually performing here, she is actually playing here. I had to do that to make sure she stays.

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Speaker 1: Here for Nikita Nikita Carmen, because I brought her here from Australia to play with our band.

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Speaker 2: Really, so the label did that. I did both.

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Speaker 1: We had to make sure that she had like a sponsor, or, Like I mean, I had to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a it's like they're her keeper.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And she's like, I don't know if I'm saying forever, I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy to me.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: She's performing at the pre showtailgate party for Lucomb's Stadium tour in July, and she thinks that everybody who moves to Nashville she'd have to play on Broadway for a year. You guys will talk about that, all right. There we go, unsigned and independent. Here he is kick off Kevin with Royal Lynn.

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Speaker 4: I want to dive right into your music. Actually usually I kind of start with the backstory, but this time I want to dive in your music because that's what drew me to you, and you're what you call punk tree.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: It is?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: This is what I think of. When I came across your Instagram page and I heard some of your music. I think of like a hearty that's Hardy's Got the Crow album and half of the album that's The Crow and the Mockingbird and that Crow. That hardcore, but it's still country. Lyrics are twisted in there, yes, so it doesn't sound something you would normally hear and be like, oh, this is country music and it's got a twist to it. So I'm gonna play a quick clip right here, six feet deep, and we'll kind of get into it from there.

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Speaker 5: Guy, love it?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: What is punk? Try to you?

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Speaker 5: Oh, So I grew up in the middle of nowhere on a farm, but my favorite I loved country, but I was so drawn to punk artists, like I was a huge fan of like Some forty one and Simple Plan. My first concert was Some forty one and Simple Plan. And I've always been so drawn to music like a data remember, But I also grew up in the country lifestyle. So I was like, what if we had like a hybrid and we called it punk Tree and like we have T shirt it's now in hats and like, I just I love the branding of it. It's it's so special to me. And we have been compared to Hearty Lately, which is like such an such an honor. Oh my goodness, he's killing it. Yeah, and I loved I loved The Mockingbird and the Crow. It's such a good album. But the songwriting is there, and that's where the country genre really shines through. Is like being able to write these songs and they're written in such a country standpoint or like the formation of a country song versus like a rock song, which is you know, exciting. So doing the two, I'm just like punctury is like it's a movement.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. So you're starting a new movement.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know. I like it.

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Speaker 3: Is it hard to combine the two?

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Speaker 4: I mean you've had years of work at it, I'm sure, But is it hard to kind of find that good sound that you've been looking for?

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Speaker 5: Yes, So I've had to work with a bunch of different track guys and writers even who understand the rock world just as much as they understand the country world. So there are a lot of rights that I'm in where people are like, you know, up a pop top liner, which is super exciting to me because then we're getting different melodies in our writing and the way that they say things. So I find it super interesting. I love the way that country music is going right now because it's opened such a door for alternative artists. And that being said, like Nickelback is a huge inspiration of mine and I love them so much. And to be able to do heavy riffs at the top, like I would have never known that we could do that until we started working with track guys. So it's been a whole new experience for me and finding like what I wanted to say and how I wanted to sound as an artist.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's unique, I'll say that, and it's great. It's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: It's a really good thing because you can go out there and you can hear it and you're like, wow, I've never heard something like this, And do you get that positive feedback from the fan base as a whole.

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Speaker 5: For sure. I always said that I would love to have a concert where we have a mosh pit. That would be incredible.

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Speaker 4: I think I've been involved in maybe one or two moshpits in my life. I was at the vands too, I think I was like thirteen years old, and after that I was like, yeah, I'm cool. I don't know if I should do that again because it gets a little crazy there. It does.

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Speaker 3: Pennywise, I want to say with.

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Speaker 5: The pack, Oh my goodness, that would be so cool.

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Speaker 3: So it was wild.

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Speaker 4: But you talked about your upbringing and your first concert and the music that you listened to. Were any of your family into music growing up playing music or did that something that you grabbed on your own and took and ran with it?

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Speaker 5: So no one in my family really did music per se. My mom has had horses my entire life, so we were always taught to ride, and my mom like I was literally raised in a barn because my mom was always in the barn but the horses. And it was so incredible to be raised on on like good country values and to be able to now sing about, you know, the country lifestyle. It's just it's been such a huge part of my upbringing and you know the way that my songs sound.

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Speaker 4: What about your parents Are they supportive of your chasing the dream here in Nashville at all? Or is this something totally different from what they're used to.

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Speaker 5: They've always been supportive from the day that I dropped out of college and was like, I need to go to Nashville, and I packed my truck and I moved moved here, and I was just like, I'm just not taking like no for an answer.

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Speaker 4: Then you came from Ontario, yep, all the way. Now where is it I'm trying to think of obviously Canada, But how far of a drive or flight is that from here from Nashville.

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Speaker 5: So to Nashville. It's really funny because it's only eight hours to the border and then I'm only like two hours over the border from a really small town in southern Ontario. Okay, And yeah, no one in my family did music. But when I started like taking guitar lessons and wanting to like trade riding for you know, my guitar, my parents were so so so supportive and drove me to all the lessons and went to all the awful singing competitions that I did. I would just like watch like Disney Channel, because Disney like Hannah Montana was a huge thing. And to see like other kids be able to sing, I was like, I want to do that so bad. I would beg my family to bring me to auditions in Toronto just to like have a chance to be one of the kids on one of those shows.

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Speaker 4: Well look at you now from that, Now you're living in Nashville, living the dream, right crazy? You said you dropped out of college in Ontario.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So.

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Speaker 5: It went to UFO, Okay, And I went there for musical theater and I hated it really, Oh my god, I could not wait to like not be there anymore.

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Speaker 3: Why did you hate it so much? You think, I just.

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Speaker 5: Don't think that school was something that I wanted to do, and I wasn't liking my program. And it's not because of them. I think it was just something that my heart was just telling me that I wasn't supposed to be there. So I dropped out without telling anyone. So it was like six months. Oh my, this was like end of year one. Like I literally only went for Oh it was bad, okay. But when I was like finally honest and I was like, I think I have to do the singing thing. And I didn't know that you could be paid to write songs. I had no idea my ten year old self writing these awful songs about love that I didn't know about yet, and like all of these things that are so like mature for a ten year old. I was like, I think there's something I need to pursue, and I think that's Nashville. So I waited till I was twenty one, and then I, you know, may I think it's about a ten hour drive from here to there, and I was just like, I not form Ottawa, but from my hometown. And I was like, I think I just need to do this. So I packed up my car and I said I'll give myself one week and if nothing happens in that one week, I will move home.

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Speaker 3: So obviously something happened.

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Speaker 5: It was a crazy week. I've actually never talked about this before, but first week in town, I forget. I forget the first how I met him. But I was at Warner and I was watching Blake Sheldon play and I was up on the rooftop and Andrew Dwarf came up to me and he was like, hey, like, do you like this song? And I was like, yeah, it's awesome. He's like I wrote it, and I was like, I'm sure you did, and he did. It was so funny, really yeah, And he would he would take me around. You know, I didn't know anybody, so he was like inviting me to brunches with a bunch of people at his home and like, you know, just like super nice. He was so nice to a girl who had no idea what this town was even you know, the dreams that are here.

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Speaker 3: And did you have any idea?

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Speaker 4: I mean, at that point, you had no idea what this town really even was, and you were just kind of going with the flow and didn't really realize what you're even doing.

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Speaker 5: I literally had no clue. And I feel like I was almost put in those rooms too early, because, like you know, I was still getting to know how like how you could be at a publishing company and how people have like development deals. Like I was learning so much in that first week, and we were we got to go to Blackbird's studio and watch them cut songs that they had written over the past like two months, and it was like it was a whole thing, and we got to meet a lot of the artists that were there with them, Like this was kind of like when Old Dominion was just getting started. So Brad Tersey was in there and Laurie McKennon and like all of these writers that I was just like, oh my god, I'm like I'm in front of like greatness right now. Yeah, and I'm like brand new to town and I feel like such a little like Martian. But it was so incredible. And then I got to go to Blake Sheldon's number one party. I think it was for Neon Lights and sang Grea. I think they did a double one and it was at Losers and I've never heard of this bar called Boozers, and Andrew was like, Hey, do you want to meet Blake? And I was like, yeah, I would love to. And the fact that Blake took the time to just be like, what what do you want to do in town? Like I know you're super new here, and I kind of was like, I think I want to write, but obviously I'd never co written before, so I was like, seriously so green in town. And he was like, Hey, this town is really hard, just so you know. And I was like, I don't plan on taking no for an answer, and He's like, I really hope that I see you again, and I haven't gotten to see him again.

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Speaker 4: I know, I thought there was more coming.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know. I'm sorry, but it is a huge part of why I'm still here is because this town has been hard. But I don't take no for an answer.

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Speaker 3: That's good, that's what you have to be. And what year was that your first year when you first moved here.

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Speaker 5: That was twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Twenty fifteen, Okay, so just like that, it's been.

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Speaker 3: What eight years?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been eight years.

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Speaker 4: And think about your first year that you're here in twenty fifteen, and think about now in the first few months of twenty twenty three. Already I feel like it's gonna be Christmas already again. But anyways, think about the first year there and then the first you know, three or four months of this year, and how much your mindset. What's the biggest difference you would think?

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Speaker 5: I feel like a different person since like January, honestly, because we've had so much happen and I'm finally now being able to show who I want to be as an artist. And I think that we've really come into the motion of like we know exactly what we're writing towards every single day that we get in the room. So it's been super interesting to be like, Okay, this is working now, whereas like maybe I don't know, five years ago, you know, wasn't kind of the way to do things. And social media has really really helped me. It's been a really good friend of mine. And I would not be here, literally, I probably wouldn't even be here on this podcast if it weren't for social media.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't because there was Instagram how we connected. You connected with me and I checked out yourself, and like I said in the beginning, it's the music that drew me to you in a different style of a different type of music, and I was like, oh I need to know more about this girl.

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Speaker 3: So look at us.

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Speaker 5: Here, thank you, look at I would have thought, not us.

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Speaker 4: What's your what's the biggest thing for social media? The TikTok for you? Instagram?

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Speaker 5: It's kind of been a little bit of both. So Runs in the Water was our release in January on Friday the thirteenth, because that's my lucky number. And it worked out, I guess, and that song went on Instagram reels. We had eight million across Instagram reels, where as it didn't go on TikTok, whereas like six feet Deep when on TikTok, overnight it hit a million and now it's at whatever it's at now, And then then a week later I went on Instagram and then now it's at like two point four million, which is crazy. So like it's kind of been a mix of both, but I make sure that like I'm not just doing Instagram and TikTok, Like we're doing YouTube shorts, Facebook reels, Pinterest. We have a quarter of a million followers on Pinterest.

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Speaker 3: What Pinterest?

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Speaker 5: The more you know, the more you know.

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Speaker 3: What made you shift to all this? Is it something?

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Speaker 4: Do you meet somebody that's like, hey, this is what you should start doing. Is there something you kind of came across and you're like, I need to start doing more of this pinters and TikTok and everything.

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Speaker 5: Well, since since I'm from another country, I kind of when I saw that TikTok was becoming a thing, I was like, I need to figure out how this works or I'm going to be left behind. And I refuse to be left behind. So I was like I need to figure out a way. And it took years of figuring out what worked and what didn't and cover songs don't work for me. We've tried that, We've done it a million times. It doesn't work. Only original music works. And I find that so strange because it's like, well, does this mean we're supposed to do this? And like the people love it. And my biggest thing is getting people in seats when we go to shows. I want to see everybody. Everybody who has ever liked one of my videos, I would love for them to come to the show. I would love people who didn't like the song to come to the show because I want to change their mind.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever played in front of less than ten people?

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Speaker 5: Yes? Well, empty bars? Oh my god. Yes.

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Speaker 4: I've always wondered what that's like, because if I'm at a bar here in Nashville or wherever and there's only a few people in there, and it's not like the band. It's nothing that the band did or didn't do, but it's just like, you know, you're there at that time of day or that time of night.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what I got.

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Speaker 4: What's going through your head while you're up there on the stage and you're like, damn, I only got six people in here right now? This kind of sucks, but we got to keep doing what we're doing. What's going through your head?

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Speaker 5: I feel like every show is a learning opportunity. So if there's even no one in that bar, I will put the same show on then I would if there were ten thousand people in the room. Interesting every single time.

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Speaker 3: And what's the most that you've ever played in front of do you know?

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Speaker 5: Off top of your head, I think that it would have been recently or throughout my.

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Speaker 3: Home anytime at any point.

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Speaker 5: So when I was fifteen, I did this thing. I was a Hannah Montana like tribute band, which is so funny and it was it's the reason that I am doing what I am today because I fell in love with the stage. But we got to play a Canada Day thing and there was twenty thousand people there.

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Speaker 4: Were you singing like her song everything?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I wore the wig man like.

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Speaker 3: A Miley number two out there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah really, yep, yep. It was so much fun and it's a huge part of you know, my story. And I had stage fright. I was terrified to sing in front of people. I would I started out with my like karaoke machine when I was a kid in my room and if my mom even walked up the stairs, I would turn it off. And actually I wasn't doing karaoke, Like I was just so scared to sing in front of people growing up.

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Speaker 4: And then you got in front of a big old crowd on the stage for the first time.

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Speaker 3: What was that like? Can you remember back then?

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Speaker 5: So I probably would have been like well, aside from talent shows, but I would stand there and the mic would shake because I'd be so scared. I think that being in front of that many people. You I wore a wig. I wasn't even myself, okay, right, So like even now, like I played bigger shows as Hannah than I can now as my own name.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 4: And where do you play at now you're in Nationale. Do you have a regular spot or you kind of jump around a little bit?

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Speaker 5: So I play down at ol Red that's owned by Blake Okay, which is awesome in the opry and they're INCREDIB So yeah, we play down there once a month. I have a residency and it's kind of just a time where anyone who's in town. You know, it's undeniable because you're playing to people from all over the world in one spot too, and they take care of us alright, is so good. It's probably the best bar I've played on Broadway. They take care of their musicians, and it's all kind of like a showcase and we get to play original music and it's not so much the Broadway thing more more so like we get to be a band and we get to try out new songs and if you guys come to that show, like, we can play songs that we wouldn't play on the road that are original, which is so much fun.

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Speaker 4: So there are some bars downtown where you can kind of mix and match, because it seems like most of them that you go to our covers and there's nothing that band can really do about that, right, that's just shure that the bar operates. And you said, I saw that. You said everybody should play on Broadway for at least a year when they move out here.

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Speaker 3: Yep, why do you think that?

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Speaker 5: Because it teaches you. It teaches you how to play to six people in a bar, teaches you how to play to a packed bar, you how to deal with drunk people, and like a lot of those, yes, there's a lot of those down there, but you know what, they all have great intention and I play during the day, so I don't really get the nighttime crowd too much. But I think it's a great learning curve. You learn the ins and outs of being in a band, how to run things, what people are responding to, what they're not responding to. And usually after we get off stage, like everybody wants a picture, everybody wants something signed, Like it's so I love it because they come in not knowing who I am, and they leave a fan, which is like the most important thing to me.

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Speaker 4: Are you by yourself when you've talked about all this in your past, your whole music career outside of your band, Like, do you do all your management, your bookings, your everything?

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Speaker 3: Yes, what's that been like for you?

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Speaker 5: It has been a learning curve. I never knew how to manage anyone, so managing myself, like you kind of have to figure out how to do things. Booking. We have a little bit of help here and there, and that has been helpful because I don't, you know, I want to be able to be creative and practice the songs and be with the band and like really hone in on being like an artist. And it's almost like not having enough hands or not having enough hours in the day.

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Speaker 4: I always say that there are not enough hours in the day, and.

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Speaker 5: I like to write for other artists here in town, so I have to make sure that my schedule can allow the rights for other people along with what we're doing. Then there's content creation, Then there's content editing, and I'm I don't think a lot of people realize how long it takes to edit the videos that are up. And it has gotten easier. You find the little tips and tricks, but yeah, the biggest thing has just been not having enough time to do everything.

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Speaker 4: Have you thought about hiring a team or whether it's a manager or content team, anything like that before.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it has to be the right fit. I don't want a team just to have a team, and I want my team to believe in me more than I do. And that is really that's you know, that's a.

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Speaker 3: Hard hard thing to find.

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Speaker 5: It's a hard thing to find is someone who can chare being you and be there and be preaching your name. And I just don't want to settle yet. And I've had a lot of great meetings, a lot of awesome people, and we just haven't pulled the trigger on management.

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Speaker 4: What about any labels or anything you had people come up to you say hey, we're interested in you, or meetings that you've had to turn down, or.

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Speaker 3: Actually and talks with in general.

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Speaker 5: So I like to go to every meeting because you never know what you know what they're going to say. And yeah, we've had some awesome meetings and there's been a lot of people who love the Punk Tree thing, and every show it kind of seems like we're having more and more industry people come on out. And I urged them to come to my live show because I was like, we can talk about numbers all day long, but come come watch it and you know, maybe you know it'll spark something. Yeah, but I wanted to make sure. So I think it was a year ago. It was right after kind of twenty twenty, so probably twenty twenty one. I was like, we need to get the band together, and we need to be able to get on the road like that if we were called. So I got the band together. I have guys who I would like trust with my life on the road with me, and I bought a van. That's a new thing, but I bought a van, and I'm really really excited because we just want to tour. We want to. I want to play every small town all over America and just sing some songs.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a spot in mind that you're like, I want to go play, whether it's a big one like or like a red Rocks is a popular one, obviously, yes, but you can't say red Rocks anything else a.

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Speaker 5: City, even just a city in general, a city in general. I really want to do stadiums. I know that we're far from stadiums, but I think I just want to be able to look out over the crowd and just see like a sea of people and be like this is so cool.

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Speaker 3: That would be awesome.

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Speaker 5: Like I feel like I would be back to that fifteen year old me, like the mic shaking as I'm singing, because I'd be like is this real? Like someone pinched me. But every opening slot that we've had, every even shows that I play with just me and my guitar, because sometimes I'll go out and just do an acoustic run and it's so just meeting the people has just been such a special. They're like, your songs impact me, and I'm like, wow, what a compliment, Like they have helped you through something in your life, and that means a lot to me because it's like I thought I was writing these songs because I felt this way, but it's like other people feel this way.

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Speaker 4: Is that a goal for you when you're writing a song at all I can relate to people or is it just something where it's like, this is how I'm feeling and then getting that feedback is almost like a reward you didn't even know what was coming.

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Speaker 5: For sure, It's definitely like that. I want to be one hundred percent authentically me, and if people relate to that, I love it. I'm super happy, like redneck rockstar. Like people don't realize that I totally wrote that song. I love Nickelback, And I was like, if I ever get to be a rock star, I just don't feel like money is going to be something that I'm going to be like I need more money. I need this like because to me, it's not about the money. It's about meeting the fans and playing the songs and doing what I'm supposed to do here on this earth in the very little time that I have here.

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Speaker 3: What's your favorite Nickelback song?

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Speaker 5: Burn It to the ground. Oh my god, They're coming to town to play and I am so excited.

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Speaker 3: Yeah with Briantley.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be front row.

00:23:15
Speaker 4: So what do you say when people are because it's always that whole you know, people are like, oh, Nickelback and they making fun of them, and I'm like, you know what, I low key think everyone loves Nickelback. I don't care what you say in public. It's almost like a trolling thing now, which is fun to do. And do you ever have somebody say that and you're like, whoa, well, calm down.

00:23:31
Speaker 5: If you don't like Nickelback, you're lying. That is what I say all my shows. And we put so many references in Redneck Rockstar to their rock Star song. And if Chad called me right now and was like, hey, like pack your suitcase, We're going out for like the next sixty five days, I would be like, let's go back in the van. Yeah, they show up on their buses and I'd be in like the shammou van.

00:23:55
Speaker 3: Where is this van going to the first stop? Do you know yet?

00:24:00
Speaker 5: We still have a few dates that we haven't so we're going on the road with Luke Colmbs for the Philly show on his stadium, the world tour.

00:24:09
Speaker 4: Wait, let's talking to that. Guess I was going to get into that. But let's do it now. Let's do it now. No, You're fine, that's awesome. I've been waiting for that. But I'm like, you know what, let's do it now.

00:24:18
Speaker 3: We're in it.

00:24:19
Speaker 4: So Luke Combs, Yes, get more into that in Philly Stadium.

00:24:22
Speaker 3: So you are doing the stadium.

00:24:24
Speaker 5: I so Whiskey jam is putting on this tailgate with Luke, and I was super excited because I'm independent, right, so I don't have a booking agent. You know, We've met with a lot of them since we actually got off for this show. But I remember the day that I got the call for the Philly show and Kappy, who is Luke Combs's manager, calls me and goes, would you like to come on the road with us this summer? And I was like on the road with like Luke And he was like, what do you do in July twenty ninth And I said that's my birthday? Oh no way, And I said where going? And he so he was like call me. And I was actually on stage when I got this call, which is so funny. What and every year for the past like four years, I've spent my birthday on a stage of some sort, and there's just no place I'd rather be than performing songs and singing and with my band. And I was like, we will, I will go anywhere in the country you want to bring us on the UK, we will go anywhere, like anywhere you want to go. So he called me and he's like, we're doing this tailgate thing. He goes, I know you're independent, and I really wanted to make sure that your name got thrown into the into the pile of people who could do this. And he was like, are you ready? And I was like, I am one hundred and ten percent. The boys are ready. Don't even need to call them. I know that they're good to go. And yeah, so we'reheaded on the road, Luke, which is crazy, Like it's crazy.

00:25:48
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Good for them.

00:25:49
Speaker 4: Get a whiskey jam too. They did that here at Nissan right, Yeah, the old tailgate thing.

00:25:52
Speaker 3: I did see that. That's good on them, that's awesome.

00:25:54
Speaker 5: It's incredible.

00:25:55
Speaker 4: Are you going to be more shaky than than you were the little girl doing hand in Montana?

00:25:59
Speaker 5: I don't know, No, I don't know. I want to say I of course I always get a little nervous before a show because you know, I get so excited. That's the thing. Is like I'm like shaking because I'm ready to go, and the bands like obviously we do something. It's like a heavy country concept. So like I don't just stand there like I am. I turn into like a different person, like an alter ego where I'm just like I black out and I'm like what just happened out there? And it's cool because we like, you know, like the moshpit thing, like we want to make sure that everyone in the audience is having a good time. And if I got to go out there and just like you know, preach, kick some teeth. Yeah, like headbag.

00:26:38
Speaker 4: You know I do you have any pre show routine like take a shot or do something with your band or anything like that.

00:26:44
Speaker 5: I cannot drink before a show, not at all. Yeah, I go like tone deaf, I can't do it. Why So that's good?

00:26:50
Speaker 3: What do you think?

00:26:51
Speaker 4: I don't know it could be that way and not the other way. Yes, exactly, really one way it should be not drinking.

00:26:57
Speaker 5: But yes, I think I just get nervous that like I will forget something or something will go over. I just like I am like no drinks. I have green tea. I do my vocal warm ups normally on a show day, I try and stay like a you know, quiet. I try not to like over use my voice because the songs are high and being live like it's just such a different game. And I would hate it if someone bought a ticket to see my show and I had gone out and drank the night before. Like I'm just like, this is people's hard earned money, and I want to make sure that they get the best show, so I need to be one hundred percent myself.

00:27:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good on you. Have you ever had a show where we had to cantle?

00:27:32
Speaker 5: Not yet, No, we've had so I've played, you know, down on Broadway. Used to play five days a week when I first moved here, because all I can do in this country is like sing and write, and it has to be I'm on on OH one, so it has to be kind of like music oriented to be able to make money. So I couldn't do anything else. So I was singing five days a week. It was really hard on my voice, and a lot of people have voice issues after they play that many shows. And thankfully we have not had to do that. If I'm sick, that's kind of a different story. But I really try not to get mm.

00:28:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't we All the allergies out here will get to Yeah, it's true.

00:28:07
Speaker 3: What is an one?

00:28:08
Speaker 5: So an O one is in the I feel so weird saying this in the eyes of the US government. I have extraordinary talent.

00:28:17
Speaker 4: One is we got an extraordinary talent here on the unsign you heard it first.

00:28:22
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'll never leave that one do.

00:28:26
Speaker 4: I know you can't see if you're listenings, but she is.

00:28:27
Speaker 3: She is very read. This is great.

00:28:31
Speaker 5: It's just so funny. And not a lot of people get in O one without being signed.

00:28:35
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

00:28:35
Speaker 5: So and Cappy like, oh my god, I like wouldn't even be here without him because he signed my visa and he helped, you know, he sign a testimonial letter because you kind of have to. You have to have Show's book for the next three years. Like it's pretty serious. Wow, And I'm pretty sure if you don't get it, like you get deported or something. I don't know. So I was like really nervous about it, and yeah, it worked out, and I I like was over the moon the day I got the call that my visa was approved and I was good to go, and here we are.

00:29:03
Speaker 3: How long was that process?

00:29:04
Speaker 5: Took me about six, six or eight weeks to put it all together. So it has to be like that. You have the itinerary and then you have two testimonial letters, and you have all of your show posters, anything you've ever done, any accomplishments, things like that. And this was over a year ago. So I think I'm going on my second year right now, and we're good for three years. Okay, So the visa was on before that was only a year. So next year I wouldn't know if I would be here anymore. But I never take no for an answer.

00:29:36
Speaker 4: So in two years, you said you had two years left or year.

00:29:39
Speaker 5: Less, I should Yeah, you have a year plus.

00:29:42
Speaker 4: Yeah plus okay, So after that then you have to work on another one.

00:29:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be kind of the same process if we have a publishing deal or a record deal or you know, whatever happens in the next few years, Like that's kind of how we're going to route it from there.

00:29:56
Speaker 4: Interesting, So if you're listening to this, make sure she sticks around for longer than a year and a half, Okay, that's all I'm gonna say. You keep mentioning a capy here. He talked about he's Luke's manager, but who else or what is he to you?

00:30:09
Speaker 5: He has just been a really good friend here in town. And I remember reaching out to him a long time ago and I was like, hey, I would love to have you to a show. And he came to my show like this was twenty twenty, and I was so blown away by his kindness and his character and just being able to chat and be like, hey, I have nothing right now and I have nothing to offer except for my songs and my voice, and like you know, and he was just like, what what are your goals? What do you want to be in five years, ten years? And he really opened my eyes to be like, if you want to write, you can still do that, and you can do your artist stuff, and like he's got many artists on his roster that are writers on top of being artists as well, which I think is so exciting. And he was just so accepting and he wanted to help, and you know, just being able to bounce ideas off of him and be like, hey, I have this coming up or this coming up, and he's just been such a champion and set up some things. And when he called about the Luke stuff, I was like, oh my gosh, like I'm so grateful, Like you don't have to do that, but you did because you're kind and you're nice, and you know, we're still independent. So he's just he's just a great guy.

00:31:21
Speaker 3: Just genuinely wants to help you.

00:31:22
Speaker 5: Yes, that's great, genuinely wants to help.

00:31:24
Speaker 4: We all need a copy in our life. Yeah, I've got a few copies in my life that I'm very grateful for as well.

00:31:28
Speaker 5: He's so great.

00:31:29
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

00:31:29
Speaker 4: And outside of music, you know, we're gonna wrap up here pretty quickly. But outside of music, what else do you like to do? We were talking about a little bit before the recording. Golf is a big part of your your life, you were saying, right, I love it.

00:31:40
Speaker 5: I love it. It's like the one thing that has nothing to do with music that I can just get out on the course and just have a beer and unwind.

00:31:47
Speaker 4: Is that your therapy, if you will, Yes.

00:31:49
Speaker 5: On top of my actual therapy.

00:31:51
Speaker 3: Yes, you got multiple therapies going on. Yes, we all need multiple therapies. Don't worry, don't worry. What do you go a lot, like once a week or once a month.

00:32:01
Speaker 5: Once a week. If I can get out more than that, I will. But weekends are better spent like outside and in the outdoors, and when we're not on the road. If we're on the road, that's different. Maybe one day I'll be able to like bring my clubs with us and play around before the show.

00:32:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I've asked here before on this podcast. How do you know you're going to make it? And that's when you know you made it if you can bring your golf clubs on tour with you and go golfing in the morning and play a show at a stadium at night.

00:32:25
Speaker 1: Right.

00:32:25
Speaker 2: Yes.

00:32:26
Speaker 5: I always used to say that I'll know that I've made it when the Cores light truck shows up to my house and drops off like a bunch of beer.

00:32:34
Speaker 3: I love that, which is so funny. Can you give me a call when that happens. I went to come over and help you.

00:32:39
Speaker 4: Perfect.

00:32:40
Speaker 5: Oh, I love it.

00:32:41
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

00:32:41
Speaker 4: Well, we'll wrap this up, like I said, Royle and I asked this question, and as far as if somebody listened to this and you know you need some motivation or something, if you're on the fence about deciding what you want to do with life, whether it's career or anything like that, what do you say to somebody who is afraid to take that leap?

00:32:58
Speaker 5: Take the leap because you never know what's going to happen until you spread your wings and you jump. And sometimes and I still do this all the time, but like sometimes it feels like you're still falling, but you will. If you don't have a plan, b if you don't have a backup thing. I always tell people, like, if you have a backup plan, you know you can't have one and do this. This has to be one hundred and ten percent. And never take no for an answer. There you go.

00:33:23
Speaker 3: That's the theme of this one, right, Never.

00:33:24
Speaker 5: Take no for an answer, Never take no for an answer.

00:33:26
Speaker 3: I like it, Royal and we could follow you.

00:33:28
Speaker 4: They can follow you on Instagram, Twitter, Royal in music correct, yes, okay, Royal in music. Go stream her, follow on Pinterest even Pinterest, anything, TikTok, whatever social media you're on, go follow her.

00:33:39
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming in.

00:33:40
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.

00:33:41
Speaker 3: Of course,