Can You Guess this One-Hit Wonder Faster than Jason?

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome back to another Patreon edition of
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<v Speaker 1>going to be discussing a subject that I don't know
<v Speaker 1>yet because d is going to surprise me.
<v Speaker 2>But I do know this.
<v Speaker 1>You have been waiting to tell me this incredible story.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is yet, but it's like
<v Speaker 1>murder and Mayhem and all the things. And you've promised
<v Speaker 1>me that it's a song that I know very well,
<v Speaker 1>or it involves something that I'm super familiar with.
<v Speaker 2>There is absolutely no question that you know this song. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>we've actually just talked about this song before and another
<v Speaker 2>one of our episodes, but since we have well over
<v Speaker 2>two hundred episodes at this point, that's not much of
<v Speaker 2>a clue for you. But we've also talked about other
<v Speaker 2>people who are involved with this song on entirely different episodes,
<v Speaker 2>which I'm not going to give away yet, but just
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just yes, I'm genuinely excited to talk about this, so.
<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna interrupt you. One of the fun
<v Speaker 1>things that we do in our Patreon episodes sometimes is
<v Speaker 1>that one person comes up with all the research and
<v Speaker 1>the history and things like that, and then you talk
<v Speaker 1>and you slowly unveil the story. And if I figure
<v Speaker 1>it out right off the bat, I'm not gonna say anything,
<v Speaker 1>but guys at home try to figure out what we're
<v Speaker 1>talking about.
<v Speaker 2>It's a puzzle exactly, Okay. And the last one of
<v Speaker 2>these episodes we had, you gave me a song from
<v Speaker 2>the nineties and By the time we got to the song,
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I kind of remember that song. Most
<v Speaker 2>of the songs that we have have been songs that
<v Speaker 2>everybody knows right right, And I made the promise to
<v Speaker 2>you at that time. The next time that we come
<v Speaker 2>in and I'm doing a song for you, you will without
<v Speaker 2>question know what the song is. It is a one
<v Speaker 2>hit wonder, but it may surprise you to have it
<v Speaker 2>called a one hit wonder. Okay, okay, probably nobody thinks
<v Speaker 2>of it as that, but technically it is all right.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna as you mentioned, this story has theft,
<v Speaker 2>drug addiction, homicide, adultery, fatal car crash, and a Persian
<v Speaker 2>poem that's over nine hundred years old involved with it.
<v Speaker 2>So there's all kinds of things at play. So if
<v Speaker 2>there are people out there who are super familiar with
<v Speaker 2>this song, they're gonna go, oh, I know what that
<v Speaker 2>is already. I doubt a whole lot of people. I
<v Speaker 2>really know the song, and I was surprised to know
<v Speaker 2>what some of the basis for the song is.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, okay, let's hear this all right, I'm ready.
<v Speaker 2>So the group that put together this album was a
<v Speaker 2>supergroup Okay. It came together in the spring of nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy and a year later they'd be done. They released
<v Speaker 2>one album, and even the album did badly, and even
<v Speaker 2>this song when it was released as a single, it
<v Speaker 2>did badly. Several of our other Patreon episodes where we're like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>this song came out and you know, eighty three, but
<v Speaker 2>it didn't become a hit until nineteen eighty nine, weirdly,
<v Speaker 2>you know. So this is kind of one of those things.
<v Speaker 2>So the members of this group, I'm going to give
<v Speaker 2>you some names. I'm doing the Paul Harvey kind of
<v Speaker 2>you know, the hide the Rabbit thing right now. So
<v Speaker 2>first guy is Dell you know. Okay, yeah, you're thinking
<v Speaker 2>of John Candy right now. I know you are.
<v Speaker 1>Shower curtain ring guy.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So Dell was a nickname that his buddy Tony
<v Speaker 2>Ashton gave him, And so I'm gonna use Dell as
<v Speaker 2>the nickname so that you don't know what I'm talking about.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, thee oh the guy isn't guy named
<v Speaker 2>Jamie again, nickname from his wife. She called him Jamie,
<v Speaker 2>not his not what most people call him. Okay, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So we got Dell and Jamie and they are the
<v Speaker 2>two writers given credit for this song. All right, all right.
<v Speaker 2>And then in the rest of the group, you've got
<v Speaker 2>a guy named Robert Okay, he plays keyboards. And you
<v Speaker 2>got a guy from Tulsa, Oklahoma, your hometown. Yes it is, yep.
<v Speaker 2>He happened to be born on the same day as
<v Speaker 2>Paul McCartney. Okay, yeah, no, we know Paul McCartney wasn't
<v Speaker 2>born in Tulsa, Oklahoma, so it's not Paul McCartney. It's
<v Speaker 2>a different guy, but famous musician.
<v Speaker 1>Right wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait, this is a
<v Speaker 1>famous musician from Tulsa in this band, in this band, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>all right, keep going, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna give you a little bit about the album,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna go go back and we're gonna do
<v Speaker 2>some history it all right, okay, Okay. So the album
<v Speaker 2>failure critically, failure commercially, like, nobody went out and bought it,
<v Speaker 2>and none of the critics liked it. Okay. This song
<v Speaker 2>that I'm talking about's thirteenth song on the album, thirteenth track,
<v Speaker 2>and they released it as a single, just didn't do
<v Speaker 2>very much, didn't chart at all in the UK. Barely
<v Speaker 2>made it in the charts in the US, but then
<v Speaker 2>came again in nineteen seventy two and got a little
<v Speaker 2>more popular, came again in nineteen seventy four, nineteen seventy seven,
<v Speaker 2>and then like a cover of it nearly two decades later,
<v Speaker 2>ends up at number twelve in the US Billboard Hot
<v Speaker 2>one hundred. Okay, okay, all right, yeah, good. So since
<v Speaker 2>the time that this song was recorded and everybody hated
<v Speaker 2>it when it came out, VH one and Rolling Stone
<v Speaker 2>have both put it on their Greatest Albums of All
<v Speaker 2>Time list. What Okay? Most of the songs on the
<v Speaker 2>album that were not songs because they did a few
<v Speaker 2>cover songs. Most of the songs on the album that
<v Speaker 2>were not cover songs were written by Dell and Robert
<v Speaker 2>the keyboard player. Okay, but this song that I'm talking
<v Speaker 2>about was by Dell and Jamie all Right, Okay. So
<v Speaker 2>Dell had come from a couple of supergroups with a
<v Speaker 2>lot of success. Okay, he actually, by many people, has
<v Speaker 2>been equated with divinity as far as his musical skills
<v Speaker 2>are concerned. And Jamie was even better as a musician.
<v Speaker 2>These are the two writers of this song.
<v Speaker 1>So you got a guy who plays like God, and
<v Speaker 1>then a guy who's better than God.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, that is about right. Okay, so they get together.
<v Speaker 2>They they have come from this this other group that
<v Speaker 2>you probably don't know, but I'm not going to mention
<v Speaker 2>them anyway. And they're really both of them just sidemen
<v Speaker 2>in the group. They're on an ensemble. They're not mentioned
<v Speaker 2>in the name of the group. They're not singing the songs.
<v Speaker 2>They're just a couple of side musicians. Okay, all right.
<v Speaker 2>The name of this band actually comes from a mistake
<v Speaker 2>at their first club that they played on this tour.
<v Speaker 2>The announcer says a different name than what they have
<v Speaker 2>chosen as their name, but they like the different name better,
<v Speaker 2>and so they go with that. The guy who wrote
<v Speaker 2>the Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock and Roll, Dave Marsh,
<v Speaker 2>said this about this song, okay, quoting there are few
<v Speaker 2>moments in the repertoire of recorded rock where a singer
<v Speaker 2>has reached so deeply into himself that the effect of
<v Speaker 2>hearing them is akin to witnessing a murder or a suicide.
<v Speaker 2>This song is the greatest of them. Okay, okay, So
<v Speaker 2>now we'll go to a little history right. Yeah. So.
<v Speaker 2>Jamie born July nineteen forty five passed away a couple
<v Speaker 2>of years ago. The guys from Toto, David Page, Jeff Porko,
<v Speaker 2>the guys who were the best studio musicians of the
<v Speaker 2>early eighties, the guys who played the music on Thriller.
<v Speaker 2>They described Jamie as someone you look to with reverence,
<v Speaker 2>like if you wanted to know how to play your instrument,
<v Speaker 2>this is the guy you go to. You listen to
<v Speaker 2>what he's done, and you emulate him. I mean, they
<v Speaker 2>were in awe of him, that's how good he was.
<v Speaker 2>He was a protege of one of Phil Spector's group
<v Speaker 2>of session musicians who would become known as the Wrecking Crew,
<v Speaker 2>and he became a member of the Wrecking Crew himself.
<v Speaker 2>He played on pet sounds, he played on good Vibrations,
<v Speaker 2>he played on classical gas. He played on You're So
<v Speaker 2>Vain by Carly Simon, a song about Warren Bady, Yes
<v Speaker 2>there you go right, and countless others. I mean, his
<v Speaker 2>music catalog is gigantic, and he not only knew how
<v Speaker 2>to play like any kind of music, he knew how
<v Speaker 2>to take a song and make it a hit song,
<v Speaker 2>right like with Carly Simon, jersol Vain, they had already
<v Speaker 2>recorded and they're like, this isn't good. Let's bring this guy,
<v Speaker 2>Let's bring Jamie in. They brought him in. Carly Simon
<v Speaker 2>came in thinking the song was done. She sees him
<v Speaker 2>in there and she loses her mind, but then she
<v Speaker 2>gets this huge hit with this song and she has
<v Speaker 2>to eat her words. Right, Okay, okay. He also played
<v Speaker 2>with Alice Cooper, Joe Cocker, Harry Nilsson, Frank Zappa, and
<v Speaker 2>Steely Dan, both of whom we know were ultra particular
<v Speaker 2>about how good the people were that were playing with him.
<v Speaker 1>Right, watch the yacht Rock documentary if you don't know
<v Speaker 1>what we're.
<v Speaker 2>Talking about exactly. Or Frank Zappa, listen to our Toto
<v Speaker 2>episode to see how he.
<v Speaker 1>Ran humiliated Steve lugather In from everybody hear the ringer.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. So that was Jamie. Okay. Dell born three
<v Speaker 2>and a half months before Jamie was born across the world.
<v Speaker 2>Jamie was born in La Dell is born just outside
<v Speaker 2>of London, where for the first decade of his life
<v Speaker 2>he thinks that he's got an older sister. At eleven
<v Speaker 2>years old, he learned that the girl he thought was
<v Speaker 2>his older sister is actually his mother, and the people
<v Speaker 2>that he thought were mom and dad are actually Grandma
<v Speaker 2>and Grandpa.
<v Speaker 1>Tale as old as time.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, we've had that a few times. Right. So
<v Speaker 2>his mother had had a liaison with a Canadian Air
<v Speaker 2>Force soldier at fifteenish. Yeah, and so the pregnancy resulted
<v Speaker 2>and Dell was born out of wedlock. Interestingly, she actually
<v Speaker 2>marries a few years later, marries a different Canadian soldier
<v Speaker 2>and moves off to Germany and leaves Dell with her
<v Speaker 2>parents to be raised by them. The good news is
<v Speaker 2>they're not too badly off, and they spoil him a
<v Speaker 2>little bit, and eventually they buy him some musical instruments
<v Speaker 2>that he learns how to play. He started playing at
<v Speaker 2>the age of thirteen, lost interest, but then as he
<v Speaker 2>got into high school he realized he was terrible at sports,
<v Speaker 2>picked up the music again, and that became what he
<v Speaker 2>was good at. He ends up getting accepted into the
<v Speaker 2>Kingston College of Art, but he gets expelled after the
<v Speaker 2>first year because he's so focused on music and not
<v Speaker 2>on art. His musical influences are Buddy Holly and Big
<v Speaker 2>Bill Brunsey, The Black blues musician from Mississippi. Okay, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so he's out of college. He starts busking as a
<v Speaker 2>young you know, as a teenager. He starts busting and
<v Speaker 2>he gets noticed, and he goes from first band to
<v Speaker 2>second ban, to third band, and by nineteen sixty six,
<v Speaker 2>at twenty one years old, he forms a group himself.
<v Speaker 2>After be involved with a pretty successful group, forms a
<v Speaker 2>trio himself that becomes world famous.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, keep going.
<v Speaker 2>So that was sixty six, Okay, By nineteen sixty eight,
<v Speaker 2>this world famous band, this bands, they're done. They're done
<v Speaker 2>with each other. Two years, two years and they're done
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty nine. The next year, he forms another supergroup,
<v Speaker 2>but they would release only one album with a very
<v Speaker 2>controversial album cover an LP with only six songs, one
<v Speaker 2>of which would be a hit, one of which you know.
<v Speaker 2>But they dissolved after only seven months, and he's realized
<v Speaker 2>he is tired of the limelight, and that's why he
<v Speaker 2>decides to go with this other singer songwriter duo where
<v Speaker 2>they're the named members of the group and he's a
<v Speaker 2>member of the ensemble. He's a sideman with these other
<v Speaker 2>guys called the Friends. Okay. During this time, he was
<v Speaker 2>working on albums with members former members of the Rolling Stones,
<v Speaker 2>former members of the Beatles. He did his own solo
<v Speaker 2>album that didn't do much. But finally he and several
<v Speaker 2>of these other members of this band would form this
<v Speaker 2>new band that gives us a song that we're talking
<v Speaker 2>about today.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so far I have no idea where we're going.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so just think of it as a movie, right,
<v Speaker 2>this little so, this new band of people that are
<v Speaker 2>all incredible musicians. They start doing tiny, little club shows
<v Speaker 2>in Britain.
<v Speaker 1>And these are guys who have had major hits, your
<v Speaker 1>major hits.
<v Speaker 2>No major success names you would recognize, okay for sure.
<v Speaker 2>So they do this tour of small clubs in Britain
<v Speaker 2>and get there, get their groove down, and they're like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go to Miami and we're gonna record our
<v Speaker 2>first album together. Okay. So they go down to Miami
<v Speaker 2>to record, and the guy they have producing their album
<v Speaker 2>is a guy named Tom Dowd. Tom Dowd also happens
<v Speaker 2>to be producing another group's album called the Almond Brothers.
<v Speaker 2>Yes you've heard of that.
<v Speaker 1>I do know them, of course.
<v Speaker 2>And so after Dell had been there for a few days.
<v Speaker 2>Tom the producer says, hey, you should go see the
<v Speaker 2>Almond Brothers play. They're going to play at this outside
<v Speaker 2>benefit cons and Dell's like, heck, yeah, I love Dwayne Alman.
<v Speaker 2>I would love to listen to him play. Well. As
<v Speaker 2>it turns out, Dwayne Almond is also a big fan
<v Speaker 2>of Dell's and so because he is famous, he gets
<v Speaker 2>to like go in front of the barricade, in front
<v Speaker 2>of the front row, you know, and he and his
<v Speaker 2>friends are watching the Almond Brothers play. And at the
<v Speaker 2>point that Dwayne Almond turns around and sees Dell standing
<v Speaker 2>in the crowd, he freezes in the middle of his
<v Speaker 2>guitar solo, and fortunately the other lead guitarist is able
<v Speaker 2>to pick it up, and then he sees why he's frozen,
<v Speaker 2>and he just turns away so that he doesn't have
<v Speaker 2>to get frozen as well. Because they're so in awe
<v Speaker 2>of this guy who's watching them, right, they.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, wow, okay.
<v Speaker 2>After the show they get to meet face to face.
<v Speaker 2>They're kind of gushing over each other, talking about how
<v Speaker 2>much they enjoy each other's music, and Dwayne says to Dell, hey,
<v Speaker 2>I would, you know, I'd really love to come and
<v Speaker 2>listen to you guys record, and Dell is like, heck
<v Speaker 2>with that, get your guitar, come on, let's go tonight,
<v Speaker 2>let's record together. They spend the entire night just riffing
<v Speaker 2>with each other, and Tom describes it as like the
<v Speaker 2>most beautiful bromance you've ever seen. Like they don't say
<v Speaker 2>can you play this again? It was just they would
<v Speaker 2>riff off of each other and gush and talk about
<v Speaker 2>the technics of the guitar and all of this other stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and they just they formed a brotherly bond. As it
<v Speaker 2>turns out, for this album. Even though this is a
<v Speaker 2>four piece band, Dwayne records almost every single song with him,
<v Speaker 2>so it's a five member band for the recording of
<v Speaker 2>the album. Okay Okay, So he records several of the songs.
<v Speaker 2>His band is still out playing, so he leaves for
<v Speaker 2>a few days and goes to play with them on
<v Speaker 2>their tour, and then he comes back and on September ninth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy, they record a cover of Little Wing and
<v Speaker 2>they record this song that I'm talking to you about today.
<v Speaker 1>This one hit okay.
<v Speaker 2>All right, So this is September ninth, nineteen seventy. Tragically,
<v Speaker 2>A week later, Dell buys a left handed Fender Stratocaster
<v Speaker 2>for Jimmy Hendrix as a thank you for letting him
<v Speaker 2>play a little Wing on this album. The day and
<v Speaker 2>next day Jimmy Hendrix dies and they have to take
<v Speaker 2>the song off of the album. Ooh, okay, So this
<v Speaker 2>band has done a little little Wing cover that you
<v Speaker 2>haven't heard. Okay, okay. So after they've recorded the album,
<v Speaker 2>Dell says, Dwayne, come tour with us. You're a key
<v Speaker 2>member of this band. I mean this song that I'm
<v Speaker 2>talking about as an unmistakable guitar riff, and Dwayne Alman
<v Speaker 2>is the one who is responsible for the guitar riff. Okay, okay,
<v Speaker 2>it also has an unmistakable piano riff, but I'll get
<v Speaker 2>into that in just a minute. Okay, okay. So Dwayne says,
<v Speaker 2>I would love to, Dell, but I've got my brothers
<v Speaker 2>and where we've developed these shows already. I can't go
<v Speaker 2>with you. I have to go with them, right Okay.
<v Speaker 2>The album gets released in November of nineteen seventy. Less
<v Speaker 2>than a year later, Dwayne is riding on his Harley
<v Speaker 2>on Hillcrest Avenue in Macon, Georgia. As he is approaching
<v Speaker 2>Bartlett Street, a flatbed boom truck comes to a sudden
<v Speaker 2>stop in the intersection. Dwayne does a quick swerve to
<v Speaker 2>try to miss it, but ends up hitting it. He's thrown.
<v Speaker 2>The motorcycle is thrown and lands on top of him
<v Speaker 2>and crushes him. He's alive when he gets to the hospital,
<v Speaker 2>but ultimately passes away due to his internal injuries. And
<v Speaker 2>so we've lost one of the best guitarists of the seventies. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>that's Dwayne Almond. Dwayne Almond.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think maybe Greg Alman was married to Shriff
<v Speaker 1>keep going.
<v Speaker 2>So Dell has now lost his idol, Jimmy Hendrix. He's
<v Speaker 2>lost the guy that he has described as the musical
<v Speaker 2>brother I'd never had but wish I did. He's lost
<v Speaker 2>that guy as well. Right, So with that loss, the
<v Speaker 2>kind of failure of the album and the song, the
<v Speaker 2>band is just not going to stay together. They try
<v Speaker 2>to get together for a second album and it just
<v Speaker 2>falls apart almost immediately. Dell is also dealing with drug
<v Speaker 2>and alcohol issues that he's got, trying to deal with
<v Speaker 2>the pain of this and another issue that I'll bring
<v Speaker 2>up there in a second. But this tragedy is not
<v Speaker 2>the last one we're going to talk about today. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So the band breaks up, all the musicians go their
<v Speaker 2>separate ways. But as I mentioned Carl the Oklahoma Boy,
<v Speaker 2>he'd move back to Oklahoma and he'd continue to play music,
<v Speaker 2>but ultimately, in May of nineteen eighty, he would die
<v Speaker 2>in Claremore, Oklahoma, from the effects of drug and alcohol. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Jamie also continued to play for big name bands because
<v Speaker 2>he was an unparalleled virtue. So he played drums as
<v Speaker 2>a way to escape from life. Okay, that's why he
<v Speaker 2>was so good. But few people realized that what he
<v Speaker 2>was escaping from were actually voices in his head that
<v Speaker 2>were talking to him that weren't really there, the loudest
<v Speaker 2>of which apparently was the voice of his mother. I
<v Speaker 2>know you're thinking about, psycho, right, Psycho other He tried
<v Speaker 2>over and over again to deal with this by going
<v Speaker 2>to mental health specialist, none of whom correctly diagnosed him.
<v Speaker 2>They all attributed it to alcohol, which, of course, he
<v Speaker 2>was taking drugs and alcohol to deal with the voices,
<v Speaker 2>in addition to playing the drums.
<v Speaker 1>Probably didn't help.
<v Speaker 2>And so on June third, nineteen eighty three, his wife, Rene,
<v Speaker 2>the one who called him Jamie, came home to find
<v Speaker 2>him holding some string and piece of paper and saying,
<v Speaker 2>I know what you've done. I know what you did.
<v Speaker 2>I know that you're communing with the devil. And she's like,
<v Speaker 2>what the heck and he starts attacking her, and she's thinking,
<v Speaker 2>this is how I'm going to die. He's attacking her,
<v Speaker 2>attacking her, and then for some unknown reason, he stops
<v Speaker 2>and he goes to the kitchen to make himself a drink,
<v Speaker 2>and so at that moment, she gets the heck out
<v Speaker 2>of the house, comes back into the room.
<v Speaker 1>This is Jamie.
<v Speaker 2>We're talking about this Jamie. Jamie comes back into the room,
<v Speaker 2>realizing that she's gone, and he goes over to his
<v Speaker 2>mother's house. Is seventy one year old mother. He then
<v Speaker 2>attacks with a hammer and then ultimately stabs to death
<v Speaker 2>with a butcher knife.
<v Speaker 1>What okay.
<v Speaker 2>They find him a day or two later in his
<v Speaker 2>apartment laying face down on the ground, crying hysterically. He
<v Speaker 2>is ultimately arrested for the murder. After he is arrested,
<v Speaker 2>he is finally accurately diagnosed with acute schizophrenia, and the
<v Speaker 2>court accepts the diagnosis of acute schizophrenia. But because of
<v Speaker 2>changes in the federal insanity defense law, California had changed
<v Speaker 2>their laws and he was not allowed to use the
<v Speaker 2>insanity defense at his trial, and ultimately he gets sentenced
<v Speaker 2>to sixteen years in prison. It's nineteen eighty three, so
<v Speaker 2>he's first eligible for parole in nineteen ninety one, but
<v Speaker 2>he gets denied because he doesn't show up for the
<v Speaker 2>parole hearing, and then he gets denied again the next
<v Speaker 2>time because he doesn't show up for the parole hearing.
<v Speaker 2>And he continues not to show up over and over
<v Speaker 2>again year after Where is he? He's ultimately moved to
<v Speaker 2>a mental criminal ward, but he is by all effects incarcerated.
<v Speaker 2>He is a prisoner, just at a mental facility, a
<v Speaker 2>convict mental facility in California. Okay, all right. Ultimately, as
<v Speaker 2>I said, he passed away March of twenty twenty three,
<v Speaker 2>never having been rehabilitated from a schizophrenia, just stopped playing
<v Speaker 2>music other than two occasionally when somebody would be playing,
<v Speaker 2>might sit in and do a little bit here and there,
<v Speaker 2>but wouldn't communicate with family, wouldn't communicate with anybody else.
<v Speaker 2>Just kind of this amazing. I mean, arguably the greatest
<v Speaker 2>drummer of the seventies disappears from the face of the
<v Speaker 2>earth for all of this. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, okay, keep going.
<v Speaker 2>So back to the song, okay. In addition to playing
<v Speaker 2>the drums on this song, Jamie also contributed the piano part, which,
<v Speaker 2>as I said, is absolutely iconic and this is what
<v Speaker 2>gives him his writing credit. But here's the problem. He
<v Speaker 2>stole the piano riff from his girlfriend, who we've talked
<v Speaker 2>about before, named Rita Coolidge.
<v Speaker 1>readA Coolidge All Time high.
<v Speaker 2>Go check out our octopusy Versus and Never Say Never
<v Speaker 2>Again episode.
<v Speaker 1>And our best James Bond themes songs.
<v Speaker 2>You got it Riata Coolidge.
<v Speaker 1>She also sang she had a hit song called I
<v Speaker 1>think it's called Higher and Higher.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yeah, she had. She had several several big hits,
<v Speaker 2>and this could have been one of them, except she
<v Speaker 2>had she had played it with They're the keyboardist and
<v Speaker 2>with her then boyfriend Jamie. They played it together and
<v Speaker 2>they're like, hey, we know you guys are about to
<v Speaker 2>record this album. They played it for Dell and she
<v Speaker 2>never heard anything. She thought, Okay, well, I guess they're
<v Speaker 2>not going to use it. Until a year later, she's
<v Speaker 2>getting a photo shoot done for her album and they've
<v Speaker 2>got the radio playing over the pa and she hears
<v Speaker 2>this song come on and she's like, hey, wait a minute, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I wrote this, what is it? And they're like, no,
<v Speaker 2>this is You couldn't have written this. This is a
<v Speaker 2>brand new album, right, And so she's living. She goes
<v Speaker 2>to Tower Records. She pulls the album to see if she's
<v Speaker 2>gotten a writing credit. She hasn't, right, she calls Robert Stigwood.
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about before, who is the manager for the band?
<v Speaker 3>You know?
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, hey, wait a.
<v Speaker 1>Minute, wait minute, Robert Stigwood beg's grease you got it?
<v Speaker 1>Keep going Saturday Night Fever.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah okay, And so she's like, hey, this is my song.
<v Speaker 2>You guys took this and you didn't give me writing credit.
<v Speaker 2>And his words to her are so what you're a girl?
<v Speaker 2>What are you gonna do? And her record label A
<v Speaker 2>and M is like, yeah, we can't fight Robert Stigwood.
<v Speaker 2>His pockets are gigantic.
<v Speaker 1>He has big pockets.
<v Speaker 2>And so she ends up with no writing credit on
<v Speaker 2>the song.
<v Speaker 1>Now, they don't have like laws and things that she
<v Speaker 1>could have.
<v Speaker 2>You got to have the money to hire an attorney,
<v Speaker 2>and an attorney that will last against whoever. Robert Stigwood hire.
<v Speaker 1>An Octopussy wasn't it wasn't out there yet.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So she gets no writing credit. Okay, she actually
<v Speaker 2>her Her sister, Priscilla Coolidge, releases a song nineteen seventy
<v Speaker 2>three called Time. If you listen to Time, you'll hear
<v Speaker 2>that same piano riff in it. And of course they
<v Speaker 2>can't go say, hey, you stole the piano riff because
<v Speaker 2>she wrote it, and it would just open that door
<v Speaker 2>for her, right right, So when Jamie and Rita were dating,
<v Speaker 2>at some point his demons came out and he punched
<v Speaker 2>her in the face during a tour and like she
<v Speaker 2>did the rest of the tour with a black eye
<v Speaker 2>and never had anything to do with him again after that. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>And then he goes and steals her song and puts
<v Speaker 2>it in this song.
<v Speaker 1>Right all right, man, you got me on the hook here.
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to hear this.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So I've led you. I've led you with all
<v Speaker 2>these clues, right, and some people who know who know
<v Speaker 2>the story of Jamie who most people called Jim. Will
<v Speaker 2>know the song probably that I'm talking about. But I
<v Speaker 2>haven't gotten you there yet, right I am no close. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to get you there, right. I know that
<v Speaker 2>you're going to know it when I starts giving you
<v Speaker 2>these clues. Now, Dell, in addition to dealing with the
<v Speaker 2>struggles of finding a band that's going to work and
<v Speaker 2>this limelight and then not the limelight, he is struggling
<v Speaker 2>because he is infatuated with someone who even in the seventies,
<v Speaker 2>that kind of relationship was frowned upon, right, Okay. He
<v Speaker 2>is struggling with this, and he talks to his friend
<v Speaker 2>named Ian Dallas, and Ian Dallas just happens to be
<v Speaker 2>converting to Islam at the same time that they're having
<v Speaker 2>this conversation. And he said, and Ian Dallas says, there's
<v Speaker 2>a poem you need to read, okay, And he gives
<v Speaker 2>them this poem and it's about this princess who falls
<v Speaker 2>in love with a poet, but the poet is poor,
<v Speaker 2>and the princess's father says, no, you can't, you can't
<v Speaker 2>have anything to do with him, and marries her off
<v Speaker 2>to a rich man and so she's with a man
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't love, and this poor poet literally goes out
<v Speaker 2>in the wilderness and goes mad because he knows she
<v Speaker 2>loves him, but he can't be with her. Right it's
<v Speaker 2>driving him insane. Okay, So Dell reads this poem and
<v Speaker 2>is like, this is my predicament. Because he's in love
<v Speaker 2>with the wife of his best friend. The bells are
<v Speaker 2>going off for him. Yeah, I think they're probably going
<v Speaker 2>off for some other people too. His best friend, I, okay,
<v Speaker 2>is a member of the Beatles. Would you like to
<v Speaker 2>tell the rest of the story.
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, I'm gonna let you. I'm not gonna
<v Speaker 1>interrupt your story, but clearly we are now talking about
<v Speaker 1>Patty Boyd, George Harrison, and Eric Clapton.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Dell was the name that Eric Clapton was given
<v Speaker 2>by his friend, Okay, when they first put the band together.
<v Speaker 2>His friend said, because he didn't want to be the limelight. Right,
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you should call the band Dell and the Dynamos.
<v Speaker 2>The announcer for their first show, knowing that this is
<v Speaker 2>Eric Clapton looks at this Dell and the Dynamos gets
<v Speaker 2>it flipped around, combines the names and says Derek and
<v Speaker 2>the Dominoes, and they're like, heck, yeah, that's it. That's
<v Speaker 2>going to be the name of our band. The poem
<v Speaker 2>that was the inspiration for the words of this song
<v Speaker 2>is called Layla in the Margin or Layla and the Madman.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>This is awesome.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we talked about Layla in our good Fellow's episode.
<v Speaker 1>Of course, Eric Clapton needs no introduction by us, right,
<v Speaker 1>we talked about George Harrison. We talked about Patty Boyd.
<v Speaker 1>Even I can't remember exactly what we were doing, but.
<v Speaker 2>Well, she was the one that inspired like four different
<v Speaker 2>mega hits, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so yes, the
<v Speaker 2>rest of the story is, of course, ultimately that she
<v Speaker 2>it's divorced from George Harrison and once he finds out
<v Speaker 2>about this affair and her love for him, and he's
<v Speaker 2>even really not that mad about it because he himself
<v Speaker 2>had been unfaithful during their marriage. What the Beatle Surprisingly, yes,
<v Speaker 2>even I think fooled around with Ringo Star's wife.
<v Speaker 1>But Barbara Bach go back to our Jaspond episode.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but yeah, George Harrison is actually at their wedding.
<v Speaker 2>He goes to the wedding of Patty Boyd and Eric Clapton. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>and then of course Eric Clapton stays married to her
<v Speaker 2>until nineteen eighty nine. I guess they he could live
<v Speaker 2>without her, apparently, And then about three years later, Eric
<v Speaker 2>Clapton is an unplugged album where covers this song that's
<v Speaker 2>the nineties hit where it reaches twelve.
<v Speaker 1>I remember when that song came out that summer. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and I remember the unplug was an MTV unplug.
<v Speaker 2>That they recorded. I don't know if it was strictly
<v Speaker 2>MTV or if they had just done their own unplugged thing.
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember that.
<v Speaker 1>So tell me about the drummer. He's just a he's
<v Speaker 1>one of the guys in Derek and the Dominoes.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So the drummer Jamie is Jim Gordon, and Jim
<v Speaker 2>like the beginning of the video. The first video that
<v Speaker 2>I watched on Jim Gordon is is Jeff Corro saying
<v Speaker 2>he's played on this song and this song, and this
<v Speaker 2>song and this song, and if you want to know
<v Speaker 2>how to play the drums, you need to go listen
<v Speaker 2>to it and imitate everything that he does because he's
<v Speaker 2>the best drummer that's ever lived.
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, Wow. That's Hey, that's great story man. I
<v Speaker 1>was on the hook the whole time. Yeah, and that's
<v Speaker 1>pretty good since I knew kind of the players involved,
<v Speaker 1>so exactly. Wow, And Layla is an all time great song,
<v Speaker 1>you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so surprisingly it was not a big hit when
<v Speaker 2>it first got released, but that's because they took the
<v Speaker 2>song and they cut it in half. They cut out
<v Speaker 2>that piano coda that Rita Poolige had come up with
<v Speaker 2>that Jim Gordon had stolen. They cut it out, and then,
<v Speaker 2>for a reason that I can't find, it was released
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years later and they included that second part,
<v Speaker 2>and that's when it really started to catch fire.
<v Speaker 1>And correct me if I'm wrong with I think Scorsese
<v Speaker 1>has used it multiple times in his movies.
<v Speaker 2>I know that it's a big feature for Good Fellows.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he's used at other places.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, awesome, awesome, great story man.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks wonderful. By the way, the acoustic version of Laila
<v Speaker 2>won the Grammy for Best Rock Song in nineteen fifty three.
<v Speaker 1>I think also that summer he had a big hit
<v Speaker 1>with Tears in Heaven.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, about the death of Patty's child. Yeah, terrible.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he fell out of a widow or something.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome. Great story. Thanks man.
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