Reali-TEA Crime Stories: sMOTHERly Love | The Cosby Broken Covenant

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. All right, rain Dross, If you've been sipping with us, then you know Reality Crime Stories is where glam meets grit and the headlines always comes with a sight of hard truth. Every week, Courtney Parker and I put Back to the Velvet Robe on.

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Speaker 2: Fame, Fortune and the fallout they try to hide.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Carlos.

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Speaker 4: Everything from reality TV scandals to the crimes committed behind the cameras, whether it happens on or off the screen, Carlos and I will bring you the tea surrounding hot topic crime stories involving all of your favorite reality TV personalities.

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Speaker 1: And if today's story taught us anything, child, is that in this world the tea is never just hot, it's criminal.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Ray Drops.

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Speaker 1: On this episode of Reality Crime Stories, Courtney Parker and I are back to discuss the latest happenings that's going on with Real Housewife of Salt Lake City star Mary Cosby's son, Robert Cosby Junior, who is in the spotlight due to the fact that he has found himself in some trouble.

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Speaker 2: So Courtney talk to us about what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And before we get to that, let's welcome our favorite Judgeudge tyrannyus back to to give us nothing but the facts.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and my infamous disclaimer, rain Drops, don't be mad at me because I cannot go into any details of any open case. I am only here to explain the legal system and how laws are applied.

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Speaker 6: I am not.

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Speaker 5: Here to give you any opinions or legal advice, So please do not be mad at me.

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Speaker 6: Have a Marry Mary holiday.

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Speaker 2: And there you have it.

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Speaker 1: So Courtney talk to us about what's going on with Mary some Robert Cosby Jr.

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Speaker 2: We all watch the show and we know that.

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Speaker 1: He was dealing with some addiction, but he did find himself as some criminal trouble.

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Speaker 2: What's what's the.

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Speaker 4: Latest, Listen, I've been Carlos, you know, I have been pushing for this since I first read about it, since news just broke about it. Because I have been following this family and all the scandals since The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City aired and they got on This is a near and dear topic to me because just having been someone who grew up in a very faith based family. My mom is a preacher's kid, my grandfather was a Southern Baptist preacher. I've been in the area of faith and faith based stuff and surrounded by not in my family alone, but just working in and with high society faith based families. I have been keeping a real close eye on this. So when I found out what was happening kind of behind the scenes with Robbie Robert Cosby Junior and him attempting to, you know, break into his father in law's house, the domestic violence charges against him, and then this latest thing with the him trying to break in through a doggy door, I was like, we absolutely have to talk about this, but more so than just the crimes that he's pled guilty to, and we'll get into all of that, but just the dynamics of what makes somebody that is that grows up in the reality scene, but not reality characters. They're thrown into the spotlight by way of their parents or their mom. We've seen it happen so many times, and we as producers of reality TV don't really get to tell the stories of the characters behind the characters. And that's why this Reality Crime Store Stories episode is so near and dearer to my heart, because there are casual these these kids and young adults become sometimes casualties of circumstances, and that's what I feel has happened here with Robert, so to.

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Speaker 2: Break things down. On September sixth and seventh.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, Robert Cosmy Junior rust arrested after allegedly attempting to break into his bob in.

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Speaker 2: Law's home through a dog door, allegedly.

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Speaker 1: Assaulting a person on the property, allegedly refusing police commands, and allegedly violating a protective order connected to his strange why charges worth file criminal trespass, a saft, failure to comply with a low offer order, violation of a protective order as well.

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Speaker 2: On November ninth of this year, Robert Jr.

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Speaker 1: Was arrested again and charge with the multiple offenses including, according to police, and court filings, violation of a pre trial protective order, criminal trespass, assault, and property damage and destruction. In his latest court appearance on November twenty fifth, he did plead guilty to a set of eight charges. Those charges he admitted to include felon need, property damage destruction, two counts of violating a pre trip protective order which is a no contact order, assault on a peace officer, violation of a jail release court order, criminal trespass of a dwelling, Class B misdemeanor assault, and as part of this plea agreement, six other misdemeanor charges. We're just missed with prejudice, which means, right, Judge, that they can't try him again for that.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 6: That's correct. Attorney King, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I'm in law school, guys, thank you, Robert.

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Speaker 6: We are joking. Carlos King is not a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I played one on YouTube. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Robert Junior remains incarcerated rain drops at the Salt Lake County Metro Jail. We're sent to see scheduled for February third, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: So Judge, I want to ask the first question that corney will follow up with mini men many more.

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Speaker 1: Talk to us about the fact that, okay, these charges do seem to be serious, and although serious, it does appear just based on reading it that look property damage, assaulting a peace officer, and now the fact that he does remain incarcerated until February third. Speak to us just about how these charges that some people may say, well, you know, he didn't murder anybody, you know he those things, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those things people may say.

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Speaker 1: Okay, in some cases, you may be able to be released on bail until you're sentencing on February third, although obviously we're going to talk about the facts of the case, not your opinion. I am curious as to are these charges normal for somebody to have to stay in jail until trial until sentencing rather.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So again I can't speak on an open case or give my opinion, but I'm not sure if the rain drops realize that I am actually a criminal, mistermeanor judge. So what I can explain is the difference between felony and mistermeanor charges.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so.

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Speaker 5: Just total red flag. The felony is going to elevate this to a more serious criminal conduct level. Okay, So the fact that there is a criminal felony property damage charge is going to take it to a higher court. I cannot. I do not preside over mister felonies. I only preside over mistermeanors. And so that that alone tells you that this is serious. Because there is a felony charge and it varies from state to state.

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Speaker 6: It is property.

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Speaker 5: Damage and generally fell a property damaged charges will be decided on the amount of the property damage.

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Speaker 6: The amount is going to vary from state to state.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So you have that, you have a felony charge, then you have a host of mister meanors that are going to be considered at the higher tier of mister meanors.

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Speaker 3: Can you break down.

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Speaker 4: The tiers of mistermeanors and what kind of time people look at Because when you hear mister or, at least for me, when I hear Mistermeanor, I feel like.

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Speaker 3: That's a slap on the wrist.

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Speaker 4: It's not really serious and it really has to deal with paying fines. So can you clarify that how.

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Speaker 5: I think that they that may be a misnomer. So any mister meaner charge again is going to vary state by state.

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Speaker 6: I am in the state of Georgia.

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Speaker 5: In the State of Georgia, mistermeanor, charge is going to be a fine up to eight thousand dollars plus court costs and or up to a year in jail per charge.

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Speaker 6: So if you have six or seven.

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Speaker 5: Mistermeanors, theoretically I could put you behind bars for up to.

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Speaker 6: Six to seven years. What wow, Yes, because you.

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Speaker 5: Can run the sentenc scen concurrently which means at the same time, or consecutively, which means one year after another, after another after another per charge per charge. So I think that you know, the public has to be very careful anytime you are dealing with law enforcement in the courts. It is serious whether it is a misdemeanor or a felony. The felony just takes it to a higher level. And it is also going to impede your ability to go and real get reacculated with society because now it's going to be harder for you to get a job because sometimes they ask about your criminal history and specifically about whether you have a felony conviction. It's going to be harder for you to get into college. It's going to be harder for you to rent an apartment. These are all things that impact not just what you have to deal with in the criminal system, but also once you are back in society, So it has a lot of collateral consequences.

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Speaker 6: The felony is definitely going to up the ante.

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Speaker 4: The fact that he's pleaded guilty and he's assuming responsibility, and this he really is a first time offender, not first time being arrested, but.

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Speaker 3: First time offender.

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Speaker 4: This is all of it is connected to his soon to be ex wife.

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Speaker 3: Would this be considered a family court thing or no?

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Speaker 4: Whenever there is an assault or domestic violence between spouses, how can you break down to us.

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Speaker 3: What that looks like.

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Speaker 5: So the charges that you all have listed are all criminal charges. That means that you are going to be in a criminal court period, point blank, full stop. There is no other court. There is no we can go to civil court or family court. No, You're going to be in front of a judge who is going to determine your conduct based on the facts of the law. Okay, And I want to make a point because again I know nothing about this case and or these people, but I want to be clear, I'm not sure that this is the first offense, because based on the charges that you listed, it sounds like there may have been a violation of a standing order from a previous case, which.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense because on September sixth, is when he was arrested first, and November ninth, which is two months after what appears to be the first arrest, he was arrested again.

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Speaker 2: So maybe the reason, yeah, for similar things.

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Speaker 1: So to your point, Judge Tyranny, he's been arrested twice a minute two months for so the first time he was arrested, just reiterate, it was attempted to break in, assaulting a personal property, refusing police commands, and like you said, violating a protective order.

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Speaker 2: So his estranged wife, it appears.

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Speaker 1: You know, had allegedly a protective order against him that he violated. So the reason why, to your point, this is becoming not because I mean it is a criminal situation, is because there's been what it appears to.

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Speaker 2: Be multiple violations that led to this.

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Speaker 6: That is correct.

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Speaker 5: And I think I heard someone mention maybe a dui, which is also a criminal offense.

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Speaker 4: Right, all of it has stemmed from there is dispute within this marriage. She's now filed for divorce as a result of this constant harassment and domestic abuse, but.

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Speaker 3: He is It's all.

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Speaker 4: Stemming from kind of the same like, this is a continual dispute between a husband, a young husband and a young wife.

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Speaker 3: She went home.

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Speaker 4: To be with her parents, and he is fighting for his life to get his wife back.

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Speaker 5: And I want to I don't want to keep correcting you, but I can't help it.

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Speaker 6: It was a dispute between a couple.

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Speaker 5: Once there is criminal activity, it is now a matter that falls within the criminal justice system. I want the public to understand how easy it is to elevate a private matter to a criminal matter.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: The reason why I wanted to touch on this though, is because if anybody has been following Mary, her her husband, and her family, I want to give contexts to why I have so much.

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Speaker 3: Empathy for Robert.

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Speaker 4: And there is a huge documentary that I'm anticipating and waiting with baited breath to watch that's coming out January first, on Mary crop Cosby and her husband. I want to give the rain drops some perspective and why I've been following this for forever, uh begging Carlos to cover it every step of the way. Wondering are you and Mary friends Carlos as to why you handled this with kitten gloves.

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Speaker 1: I have all of.

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Speaker 2: Them with kid gloves.

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Speaker 1: No, the thing is, no, I met her and she's she's lovely. She's nothing short of lovely. And Courtney's going to get into some allegations that her church is doing in a TC special as well. I want to add to what Courtney and Judge Tierney has said. So in terms of the wife, the wife has since file for divorce. Robert Junior's attorney did tell People and Courtney, this is a segue to you, Robert Junior's attorney. First of all, Robert Junior is twenty three years old, so I do I do want to add some context of that. His attorney told People magazine that Robert had trouble accepting his marriage to his wife was over and has now accept the responsibility for his mistakes. His attorneys said, I quote his parents, Mary and Robert Senior were his example, and they've been married for twenty seven years.

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Speaker 2: Robert was slow to.

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Speaker 1: Recognize and accept that his marriage was over and continue to connect with his soon to.

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Speaker 2: Be ex wife.

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Speaker 1: He has now accept the responsibility for his mistakes. And that's the reason why he has planed a guilty to several misdemeanors. So Purtney, I didn't want to talk about so, you know, his parents, who his lawyers saying were his examples of why he wanted to fight for his marriage because they've been married for twenty seven years. But the case of rings, don't no talk to us about the sort of controversy regarding Mary and her husband.

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Speaker 4: And her husband his father. So this goes back to Mary being.

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Speaker 3: Married.

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Speaker 4: She entered into a marriage with her step grandfather.

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Speaker 2: That was Mary, did you know that?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was ready for your reaction.

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Speaker 4: And and it gets weirder because Mary has allegedly long insisted that the marriage was arranged by her grandmother and although the public's reaction was explosive.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, was it was the grandmother attached to the grandfather.

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Speaker 6: Yes, okay, so just so.

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Speaker 1: But but but I want to make sure, I mean, courty, you already said that. I just want to reiterate it for the judge Canoe. Mary married her step grandfather, so it's not her blood grandfather. And like Courtney said, Mary did say that it was the wishes.

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Speaker 2: Of her grandmother when she was passing away.

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Speaker 4: And so although they've been married twenty seven years, Robert Junior has been brought into a marriage to family. So the family dynamic of this is just strange. Couple that with a church that is alleged to run like a cult. And those are not my allegations. Those are alleged so much so that there's a documentary coming out of it, and we followed these stories and these allegations in real time. So he grew up in a house where marriage itself was globally scrutinized, accused the family, Mary's family and Robert Junior's family has long since said Mary is delusional and has rewritten the history, benefiting financially from the church. So all of this is happening. Imagine being even if it's your step grandfather, the fact that grandfather is anywhere in the title of your dad associated with your mom and this marriage and you're growing up in the church.

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Speaker 3: It's just complicated.

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Speaker 4: Where we all know being black, growing up in religious communities, there are extreme expectations that can really shape the identity, the antonomy, the decision making long.

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Speaker 3: Into the adulthood.

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Speaker 4: So that to me is where I wonder judge sharing. And I already kind of know your answer, but I'm gonna ask it for the renine drops just because because we all have some of the same.

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Speaker 6: Questions making them mad at me go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Does any of that factor in when and I know you preside over misdemeanor cases, but just in general, when you factor in upbringing and lawyers introduce that there are mental impacts on them, emotional impacts on them, is empathy ever factored in to the crimes and the charges themselves. This guy is twenty three, so although he's an adult, we all know being mothers, but our twenty year old I have a twenty one year old. It's such a young adult stage. Where does the courtly room for I'm just gonna say it, since we're talking about religion, grace and is there any grace given when circumstances that he's accepted come into play?

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Speaker 5: So before I speak, you know, based on the law, I just want to say that as a mother, I understand what you're saying. I have a freshman and sophomore at Howard University, so of course I understand and I understand the pressures of growing up or let me say, I have worked harder to understand the pressures of growing up in the public eye and through scrutiny, because I may not be on reality TV, but I am a judge who has been in and out of the news for many years, and my children have even been subjected to that in their teen years, and they have in the past and even presently spoke on the pressures of being the child of a judge. And so clearly I am going to understand and te the point you made earlier.

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Speaker 6: They didn't choose to become a public servant.

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Speaker 5: They didn't choose this career by a factor of me, their mother being a judge. They are just things that they're going to always have to move and operate in a different way or it's going to have a different outcome.

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Speaker 6: And as a.

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Speaker 5: Child, you should be able to have the luxury of making mistakes and not being judged in front of the entire world or a world that is constantly criticizing in judging your parents. So with that said, again, as a mother, I hear what you're saying, but I have to often say this to people in the kindest way. The criminal justice system is not a social services there are other resources for that.

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Speaker 6: Now, with that said, that is.

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Speaker 5: Why I constantly believe that you cannot give blanket answers or blanket opinions about a criminal court case, because you have to really listen to the facts.

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Speaker 6: Of the case.

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Speaker 5: And when you talk about background information, it may not be a factual part of the case, but it is important to take into consideration because we're talking about the scales of justice and constantly figuring out how to balance those, and so we want to make sure, especially what I call kids who come before us, anybody who is under twenty five to me is still a child who is trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 6: We want to make sure that we are balancing making sure that they are.

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Speaker 5: Held accountable for the harm that they have done to themselves and or any victims. We want to make sure we can keep the public safe, but we want to do it in a manner where we are not creating a repeat offender.

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Speaker 4: Got it.

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Speaker 5: And so in those instances, we do have some programs that are at the court that may be offered, that may be available, and sometimes they are optional and sometimes they are mandated. So if you have I have a substance abuse problem, I may give you the option to go to treatment initially instead of jail time because you made decisions under the influence that were outside of your normal decision making making.

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Speaker 6: Got it.

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Speaker 5: However, if I have given you that chance, or you say I don't want treatment again, we are now the social services.

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Speaker 6: We are a criminal justice system.

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Speaker 5: I am going to use the law and imply it under my authority. And what is that again, one thousand dollars fine and or up to a year in jail.

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Speaker 4: Got it? So, the lack of emotional modeling, the lack of safe communication, the exposure to public ridicule, childhood shaped by common Harry means, and scrutiny of his mother and step grandfather father, And yeah, I said it just like that, and I meant it just like that because that goes into the public scrutiny has no real bearing on his criminal actions.

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Speaker 6: They have no.

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Speaker 5: Bearing in the sense of the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 6: When you apply in the laws.

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Speaker 5: But again, the background information, and that is why it's always good to.

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Speaker 6: Have an advocate.

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Speaker 5: These are the facts that a lawyer will explain to the court and then try and offer an alternative sentencing to help address these issues, hold that person accountable. But again make sure that this person will not do any harm to the public and or themselves. And again I am not being callous. You know my story, Courtney. You know I am the daughter of a junkie. I grew up in a bad situation.

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Speaker 6: Right, the legal justice system does not.

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Speaker 5: Give excuses for growing up in a bad environment. We can only apply the law to the facts of the case.

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Speaker 6: And I think that your heart can go out to this person, certainly.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of times when people are defending the actions of young people or people they do not believe should be punished in a certain way, again they forget that there are victims, got it.

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Speaker 6: And so as a judge and as a court, we again.

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Speaker 5: Have to balance the skills of justice, not just to what is fair to the defendant, but what is fair to the victim, what is fair to the public.

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Speaker 6: Got it.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to ask a question to you, Carlos, because this question is often asked of me as a reality show producer when you're creating shows. And I know, listen, I know Carlos personally and as from producer to producer, Carlos, and he knows this, and the rain drops may not know this. When I was working with Carlos on Hollywood Divas.

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Speaker 3: One of my big.

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Speaker 4: Things that Carlos asked me was are you going to be available? And I said, I will be available whenever you need me. However, I am a mom and my daughter comes first, So I will work as hard for you as I can and give you everything I got, but when she needs me and I need to show up, I need to show up. So I say that to say to give the disclaimer, and he was like okay. And he was one of the first bosses that I've had, friends that I had that understood the balance that was necessary for a black woman to do her job and do it with excellence but also be a mom. And Carlos said to me, you can do this for forever, but you're only going to be a mother to her for a short amount of time that it's gonna matter. So I said all of that to say, Carlos, do you give your when you're dealing with cast that equally are giving you all they have being transparent on TV? And you are a producer, a strong producer and show creator that follows the reality. Carlos is not a scripted reality producer. Contrary to what people may think he literally is one that follows the reality and tells all of us to live by that same mandate. How do you do you own any of the responsibility of what is shown, the ridicules that you're cast their kids feel in face and then talk to us a little bit about that, because it's a slippery slope.

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Speaker 1: A wonderful question, It is a slippery slope right now. I can't speak for other reality producers. Everybody operates differently. When I can say, based on my experience, that I can talk about is the fact that there is a balance of how much do you show where it doesn't feel like you're exploiting the story and you're exploiting someone's addiction. So when it comes to me anything different minor kids and the obviously that means kids under eighteen years old, that to me is at the courtesy of the parent and the child to agree, well the parent.

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Speaker 2: Thankfully.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to what Mary decided to do and Robert decided to do, because they both agreed to talk about it on Salt Lake City and.

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Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: Roberts over the age of eighteen, so as as an adult, he made the decision to talk about his addiction. On a show called Bill Collective that I created and produced. Marie has a mother who had a drug addiction and who's been battling her drug addiction since Marie was a kid. Right, we captured her conversation with her mom about getting sober. We saw visibly that her mother appeared to still be battling with it.

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Speaker 2: I might have to diagnose anybody.

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Speaker 1: She says she wasn't using on one point, in another conversation, she admitted to being addicted to drugs, and we followed Marie going around crack houses to find her mother.

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Speaker 2: And it was at that point that I said, you know, but we have to stop.

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Speaker 1: We have to stop because it gets to a point where it does feel like I don't want to exploit anybody going through this to where there's no room for sobriety. And I think that's when you have to make the decision of is there room for sobriety to where this can be a heroin story, right, like she's this person survived addiction, which I would love to tell that story that wasn't the case. And we see filming with her mother until prayerfully she gets better. It comes to Robert, I mean Robert Jr. What is interesting is the fact that I'm.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, Can I make one comment like please? Of course, yes, I'm getting a little emotional. As the daughter of a junkie. I wrote a.

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Speaker 4: Whole context to that. Can you give us a context? You're saying it and the rain drops may not know how deep that goes.

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Speaker 5: So I wrote a book about my childhood growing up with a father who has been addicted to cocaine since nineteen seventy eight. He still struggles with his addiction to this day. By the grace of God, he is still alive to struggle. And what I wanted to say is I want to give you kudos for making sure you didn't go too far, But more importantly, as the child of another addict, I want to give you kudos for sharing that story, as hard as it may be. I am so happy to see that you are not running from the story, because we have to share these stories more often to humanize and show that it is a struggle.

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Speaker 6: Addiction is a disease, and yes, she.

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Speaker 5: May have been clean when she said she was clean, but it is an every day, one day at a time struggle, and they relapsed. But the story is not how many times you fall down, but how many times you get up. And I thank God that my father continues to get up. So I don't want you to be so hard about sharing that story because.

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Speaker 6: It may sound really harsh.

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Speaker 5: But I went and looked at my sister and I I talk about in the book at nine years old, I'm negotiating my father out of.

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Speaker 6: A crackhouse at nine wow.

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Speaker 5: And it was not a big deal, which is why I wrote about it, because I wanted you to understand it doesn't matter if.

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Speaker 6: He's in a crackhouse. I'm going to look for him.

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Speaker 5: I still love him, and I am still going to root for him to be okay. So I don't want you to be so hard on yourself about that, because the more we share these stories and we show the real life stories not just of the parent, but of her child who has gone on onto the bell collecting, who has successes within her own right despite her upbringing, and that is the outcomes we have to continue to share. And I apologize for getting so personal today, but I appreciate you all indulging me, but I mean you spoke to my spirit and I am not a person who generally.

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Speaker 6: Runs from that when it happens.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm glad you share that because it is what you said. Listen.

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Speaker 1: The beauty of rialgy television that I love this is this and the range to know this.

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Speaker 2: I love following real stories because I feel like.

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Speaker 1: I feel like everybody can relate to a person on these shows in their backstory. And like you, like you said, my attention was, this is relatable. You know a a a successful woman who you know, Marie owns.

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Speaker 2: Her own practice.

00:38:23
Speaker 1: She's a doctor, and she deals with mental health, and she deals with addiction as a mental health provider. And to know that, courtesy of her entering that career, had a lot to do with her mom still battling the addiction. I think that's just something that's relatable. And again, the reason why it sees production is because.

00:38:45
Speaker 2: I wanted to let.

00:38:46
Speaker 1: The audience know, like we're gonna follow the journey, but also didn't want it to be a situation where.

00:38:53
Speaker 2: Possibly possibly her mother.

00:38:58
Speaker 1: May have enjoyed the attention and maybe the tension of the cameras resolved in some dangerous things too. So it is a fine line, but we definite want to talk about it. And that's Robert Robert Junior. He talked about he suffered through drug addiction. He talked about it on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. He admitted to that and I want to read this verbatim. It terms up the drugs that he was addicted to, because when you hear a story like this is when you do realize that, Listen, you can grow up as a PK.

00:39:38
Speaker 2: Preacher's kid.

00:39:39
Speaker 1: You can grow up you know, with with with with parents who have all the resources in the world. It doesn't prevent you from going through going down the road of having an addiction. So Robert Jr. Revealed on the show that he had suicidal IDAH and addition struggles which included the use of heroin, xanax, acid, molly, cocaine, and oxycoccin.

00:40:11
Speaker 2: His mother, Mary, spoke.

00:40:14
Speaker 1: Recently about this on September temp a few days after her son got arrested, and said that you know at that time that he is doing as good as he can with his sobriety.

00:40:30
Speaker 2: She also said that it's his journey and.

00:40:34
Speaker 1: Explained that she told her son, if you don't make up your mind, then this is all for nothing. And if it just takes a made up mind to do and execute whatever you're trying to do, but you can't do it if your mind's not made up, and she said, I can't make that up for him. She also discussed the fact that she can only push him and encourage him and love him.

00:41:00
Speaker 2: And that's what she's doing.

00:41:02
Speaker 1: But he's still on that road and it's a hardcore road.

00:41:06
Speaker 2: But as a mom, it is tough to watch.

00:41:10
Speaker 1: So just want to ask a context because of what's going on with him and his decision to document that on the show. And like Judge Tyranny said, addiction is something that they teach you this in AA meetings and in rehab. It literally is one day at a time. This one day at a time. It literally is you can have a great six months and unfortunately, you know one day you can decide that, oh this won't be as bad because I'm recovered for six months.

00:41:46
Speaker 2: But it is a disease. That's what they teach you in these meetings and AA meetings and rehab.

00:41:52
Speaker 1: It's a disease and one of the most powerful ways to overcome it is number one God, which is why they they do the serenity prayer in these meetings. But also the reason why they do said one day at a time is because it's a struggle to proceed every day without going back to the bad habit.

00:42:15
Speaker 5: So and it's also to make sure you don't get overwhelmed, right, is to deal with what is today today. I did not get high. I will worry about tomorrow tomorrow, because when you have addiction behaviors, when you start thinking about the future or tomorrow or next month, then it is overwhelming and it makes you not think about what is it directly in front of you right now. And so I've been in more INA meetings than most addicts because I grew up in them.

00:42:50
Speaker 4: Right do we think because one of the public scrutiny as of today, as of yesterday when I was doing my search, is how silent Mary has been, even though she gave that statement and said this is his journey. Are we surprised that she's been silent and non vocal now after the second arrest?

00:43:23
Speaker 2: Well, I think this.

00:43:24
Speaker 1: I think based on the fact that so the statement that I read from her was September tenth, he played guilty on November twenty six, So she hasn't spoken now since then, at least publicly.

00:43:36
Speaker 2: They didn't take the reunion for Salt Lake City.

00:43:41
Speaker 1: I believe it was last week if I'm not mistaken, So I'm assuming she spoke about it on the reunion that's upcoming. But I think my opinion, I think for her, just based on watching the show and what she said in September, I think there's only so much more you can say about the fact that is his journey, and as a mom, she's trying her best. Yeah, And I just think she's she's she's doing her best, trying to be there for him. But the idea that her son is sitting in jail till February third.

00:44:16
Speaker 5: And to ask my own question, why does she need to say something? Why does she owe that to anyone? This is a private matter for her, It is not a criminal matter for her.

00:44:26
Speaker 6: This is her child.

00:44:27
Speaker 5: This is very personal and private, and she is doing her best to help him get through that. So why would it be necessary. Why is there an expectation for her to say anything?

00:44:38
Speaker 4: Well, I think, and again, in all fairness, not necessarily that I agree, But I often say to people, when you make yourself public figures by way of anything, you invite people into your lives. We're following your reality there's not necessarily an off switch, which I as a producer, I feel is not necessarily fair. But when you sign up to be on reality TV and you're exposing your life that comes with the good the bad. We want to know everything about you because that's why we fell in love with you. We follow you, and we feel entitled as audience members. We feel entitled to our opinions. We feel entitled to It's I'm always fascinated by people who blow.

00:45:31
Speaker 3: Up, you run to the internet, you do all.

00:45:35
Speaker 4: This stuff on TV, and then you ask us to respect your privacy during this matter. Oh heck no, we're not respecting anything. We want to know what you know because you have fed the beast, and now the beast is hungry for everything. Now again, I'm speaking for a volume because when I'm asked that question as a producer, my humanity is like this. This is why I probably couldn't do reality TV, because there is really no off button, especially if you're as popular of a personality as Mary is to this franchise, like every part of her life has been on display, particularly when TLC is doing a whole special and expose on this cult church that they're alleging this weird behavior, you marrying your step grandfather, like all of that sets you up for us to want to know more. So to your point, Judge T Yes, as we're audience members and rain drops that are watching it, the best thing that we can say, and you set this in Portie in our Portsie episode, is for us as audience members, us as journalists and us as producers to kind of step back and remember the humanity of these people and have some empathy and.

00:47:07
Speaker 3: Have some grace.

00:47:10
Speaker 5: And I will just say, as a public figure who deals with her own scrutiny, who has for many years, and again as a mother, I do believe that within boundaries, I am fair gain I do not believe that applies to my children. And so I am just saying that we all have limitations in boundaries. And if I have given you so much, you just gave me. She shared everything that clearly she's okay with sharing, but the one time that she does ask for some privacy, it seems like that we should expect a boundary and a limitation when it comes to someone's child, because no matter how old you are, you are always my baby.

00:48:11
Speaker 6: And that hits differently, got it?

00:48:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah know, so listen, we will take that we have more of a counseling session today.

00:48:22
Speaker 2: No, I was good.

00:48:24
Speaker 1: The thing is this, I'm glad we decided to touch on this, you know, like Courty says, she's want to talk about this for a minute. And obviously I'm very sensitive to what's happening with Robert Jr. And Mary and just what's going on. Courtney's right. Obviously Mary has decided to.

00:48:46
Speaker 2: Be a public figure.

00:48:47
Speaker 1: What comes with that, you know, is the expectation of talking about it.

00:48:54
Speaker 2: But I'm happy that we all not that I was worried about it, but that.

00:48:58
Speaker 1: We all follow this with such Greace, just based on the sensitivity surrounding a mother and son. And look, it's one thing if Mary's dealing with of court case, I think all bests are off. I think it's her son that makes it very sensitive to discuss.

00:49:21
Speaker 2: But I love the way we handle it and how we apply our.

00:49:25
Speaker 1: Varied personal journey dealing with this topic to really shed light on it.

00:49:30
Speaker 2: So rain drops.

00:49:32
Speaker 1: The Sentus single schedule for February third, twenty twenty six, So best believe we will follow that and circle back with the latest update.

00:49:44
Speaker 2: All Right, Courtney, it does Taranny Reality Crime Story. You'll catch us again on the next one.

00:49:50
Speaker 6: Courtney, you look so beautiful. Can I just say.

00:49:55
Speaker 2: Thank you?

00:49:57
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

00:49:58
Speaker 4: Thank you.

00:49:59
Speaker 2: She he does all ray drops. Love you guys. We'll see the next one.

00:50:03
Speaker 6: Bye bye.

00:50:07
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00:50:15
Speaker 2: With the Lack Effect Network.

00:50:17
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