Superman 1 & 2 ('78 '81) vs Man of Steel (2013) - Episode 2 of 2

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely You Can't Be
<v Speaker 1>Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten
<v Speaker 1>of eighties and nineties pop culture with your co hosts
<v Speaker 1>James D.
<v Speaker 2>Graves and Jason Hollywood.
<v Speaker 3>You're father.
<v Speaker 4>Copman.
<v Speaker 3>Hey guys, we're back for part two of the Superman
<v Speaker 3>one and two versus Man of Steel debate. Once again,
<v Speaker 3>John Reid from the thirty Something Movie podcast is joining us.
<v Speaker 5>Hey John, Hey guys, I'm really excited. Thank you so
<v Speaker 5>much for having me back here.
<v Speaker 2>I am.
<v Speaker 5>I'm ready to throw down like that that Muhammad Ali
<v Speaker 5>Superman think. I'm ready to throw down mite this out.
<v Speaker 5>You know, May the best Superman win?
<v Speaker 2>All right.
<v Speaker 4>I know that in Man of Steel there is no
<v Speaker 4>Lex Luthor, but I think we should talk about Gene
<v Speaker 4>Hackman for just a second.
<v Speaker 3>Gene Hackman is maybe next to Christopher Reeve. My favorite
<v Speaker 3>part of the Superman one and two series is not
<v Speaker 3>the mustache twirling villain at all. Anything that you get
<v Speaker 3>from him that's evil is just dialogue that he's speaking.
<v Speaker 3>In all other respects, he seems kind of like a
<v Speaker 3>funny guy and easy to get along with. Other than
<v Speaker 3>he's so full of himself.
<v Speaker 4>When he was hired, he had a mustache. This is
<v Speaker 4>like mustache Gene Hackman.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the original posters had a picture of Marlon Brando
<v Speaker 3>and Gene Hackman, and Gene Hackman had.
<v Speaker 4>A full on Mustache's crazy, and he didn't want to shave.
<v Speaker 4>Didn't want to shave his mustache. Number one didn't want
<v Speaker 4>to shave his head either. But Dick Donner called him.
<v Speaker 4>He said, all right, listen, dude, you if you'll shave
<v Speaker 4>your mustache, I'll shave my mustache. So Hagman's like all right, Well,
<v Speaker 4>Dick Donner didn't have a mustache.
<v Speaker 5>Not only that, he when he said I'll shave my
<v Speaker 5>mustache if you shave yours, he actually had a fake
<v Speaker 5>mustache on.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And then after Genie.
<v Speaker 5>Hackman, Yeah, after Gene Hackman shaped his he's like all right,
<v Speaker 5>He's like okay, cool quick and people. And that's the
<v Speaker 5>story why Gene Hackman didn't come back for the sequel.
<v Speaker 4>I think it's funny that Lex Luthor is supposed to
<v Speaker 4>have all these hair pieces, but I mean, anybody you
<v Speaker 4>know who wears a tuope that has a bultipier, So
<v Speaker 4>anytime you see Hackman. It's bald. It's a bald cat.
<v Speaker 4>But I love Gene Hackman. He's charming, he's funny. I
<v Speaker 4>talked to you the other day, and I'm like, when
<v Speaker 4>he first meets Superman and kind of lures himTo his
<v Speaker 4>layer by making that vague thread about toxin gas or whatever.
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't have a plan to commit any kind of crime,
<v Speaker 4>and yet he has instant credibility and Superman shows up
<v Speaker 4>and not kicks in his door. I'm like, that happens
<v Speaker 4>every day on Twitter.
<v Speaker 3>In addition to Lex Luthor, we didn't have Otis, who
<v Speaker 3>was played by Ned Beatie, who was fantastic. Mister luthorw
<v Speaker 3>it just aside real quick. The officers, the police officers
<v Speaker 3>and Superman one not only know who Lex.
<v Speaker 4>Luthor is, but know who his goons are.
<v Speaker 3>Because they see Otis in decides to start following that
<v Speaker 3>scene when the guy gets pushed in front of the
<v Speaker 3>train matter for me as a kid, I remember that.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but his partner, the other guy, I guess he
<v Speaker 4>must have done pretty well because he ends up being
<v Speaker 4>the police chief for Riggs and Murdoch. No, that sign
<v Speaker 4>says Riggs, Yeah, but I don't give up. You don't
<v Speaker 4>have Miss Testmaker and Man of Steel either. No, you don't,
<v Speaker 4>Valet Perine. Oh my word, her cleavage caused the entire
<v Speaker 4>US military.
<v Speaker 3>To fall apart at the end of Superman one, right,
<v Speaker 3>I mean the I dream of Genie Guy hit some
<v Speaker 3>five transferred over to the Army branch, and he was
<v Speaker 3>high enough in command to be solely responsible.
<v Speaker 4>She literally lays down, shows her boobs, and he assumes
<v Speaker 4>control of nuclear weapon. I can remember.
<v Speaker 3>It's so I have a he's ten years old right now,
<v Speaker 3>and this has been five years because he has been five,
<v Speaker 3>four or five years old, and I had Superman on
<v Speaker 3>a tablet of some kind and he was sitting with
<v Speaker 3>me and we're watching Superman for the first time and
<v Speaker 3>it gets to that scene she's in the green bathing
<v Speaker 3>suit and she's laying down and you know, her chest
<v Speaker 3>is just in her arms, and my four to five
<v Speaker 3>year old son pushes pause on the table.
<v Speaker 4>It stops, stops going and goes dad, When I grow
<v Speaker 4>up and get married, I'm going to marry a girl
<v Speaker 4>like her, all right, Drell? Okay, So Durell.
<v Speaker 3>We've got Marlon Brando, who we've talked about, and Russell
<v Speaker 3>Crowe from a Man of Steel. Marlon Brando was paid
<v Speaker 3>three point and there's some rough estimation on the figures here,
<v Speaker 3>but somewhere between three point five and three point seven
<v Speaker 3>million dollars for his performance in this which is less
<v Speaker 3>than twenty minutes long, and then got an absurd percentage
<v Speaker 3>on the back end of like eleven and three quarters
<v Speaker 3>and still sue to get more money. And then before
<v Speaker 3>they started shooting, he called and tried to convince Dick
<v Speaker 3>Honor that instead of having him appear on screen, that
<v Speaker 3>they could do a talking suitcase or a bagel of
<v Speaker 3>some kind, because nobody knows what Kryptonians really look like,
<v Speaker 3>so why not just use his voice. It's funny to
<v Speaker 3>listen to an interview with him about the amount of
<v Speaker 3>money that he was paid.
<v Speaker 4>People pay what they deem.
<v Speaker 3>Something is worth, and some things are worth more than others.
<v Speaker 4>Cars are worth more than.
<v Speaker 3>Hula hoops, which I listened to it I laughed out
<v Speaker 3>loud just because of the idea. And then I watched
<v Speaker 3>the movie. I was like, oh, my gosh, there's actually
<v Speaker 3>hula hoops in his scene. Yeah, yeah, the hulo hoops
<v Speaker 3>that are keeping the criminals from escaping.
<v Speaker 4>In fairness to him though. He's absolutely right, and he
<v Speaker 4>was the key piece to getting this done. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I mean certainly he had the star power
<v Speaker 3>to demand what he got, and you know, dig Donner
<v Speaker 3>and his interview says, I was really skeptical of the
<v Speaker 3>idea of paying Marlon Branda this much money, but once
<v Speaker 3>I started working with him, I realized, yeah, he's worth it.
<v Speaker 4>Well what about Russell Crowe? Where are we with Russell Crowe? Okay,
<v Speaker 4>so I know you love Russell Crowe, love Russell. We've
<v Speaker 4>had this talk.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't like him Gladiator, but I thought he did
<v Speaker 3>fantastic in this. I thought he was a compelling drill
<v Speaker 3>who was smart and active and had a plan, and
<v Speaker 3>he was great. He's great as a hologram.
<v Speaker 4>This part was a little confused. I always have this
<v Speaker 4>the AI, you know, can they hear me? Can they
<v Speaker 4>understand me? Are they thinking? This whole thing is a
<v Speaker 4>little bit confusing to me? But I like both the actors.
<v Speaker 4>I just I don't know. I think you could almost
<v Speaker 4>make a case that Man of Steel, that you didn't
<v Speaker 4>really need all this stuff, that you could start with
<v Speaker 4>Clark on The Deadliest Catch.
<v Speaker 3>Well, see, now that's an interesting comparison.
<v Speaker 4>I've got that over here.
<v Speaker 3>So when I watched Man of Steel, I was like, Wow,
<v Speaker 3>they are really spending a significant amount of time on
<v Speaker 3>Krypton here, right, You're getting a whole lot more story
<v Speaker 3>than you got with Superman.
<v Speaker 2>I mean they.
<v Speaker 4>Fleshed out the place.
<v Speaker 3>You get a better understanding of why Zodd is rebelling
<v Speaker 3>against the people. You get a better trial scene. Durrell
<v Speaker 3>has an entire storyline that goes along with why he's
<v Speaker 3>doing what he's doing, has time to dive into the
<v Speaker 3>water and get the Codex to take I mean, this
<v Speaker 3>is I was like, wow, they must have spent like
<v Speaker 3>a ton of time. I looked, it's twenty minutes from
<v Speaker 3>beginning of movie until Krypton explodes in Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 3>In Superman, it's twenty one minutes.
<v Speaker 4>Wow.
<v Speaker 3>And I thought they gave you so much more detail
<v Speaker 3>and depth in Man of Steel about what Krypton was
<v Speaker 3>like and why these characters were doing what they were
<v Speaker 3>doing than you ever got in Superman.
<v Speaker 4>Did you know that that's roughly the same amount of
<v Speaker 4>time that the kid who fell off with the Niagara
<v Speaker 4>Phallas as he fell took about twenty minutes for Superman
<v Speaker 4>to get us act together and go rescue that kid.
<v Speaker 3>And when he you know, after he appears, saves Lois
<v Speaker 3>Lane for the first time and thinks, think I'll shoot
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the night away fighting minor crime. And
<v Speaker 3>he confronts the cat burglar who's crawling up up the windows,
<v Speaker 3>and that guy starts to fall once again. Superman's got
<v Speaker 3>a time to smirk, shake his head. Oh well, I guess.
<v Speaker 4>I'll zoom down and get him.
<v Speaker 2>All right.
<v Speaker 4>I do want to throw in real quick Kevin Costner
<v Speaker 4>and Diane Lane as mol and Paul k can't I
<v Speaker 4>love what they did in this, absolutely love it.
<v Speaker 3>With the Superman movies, you've got you get a very
<v Speaker 3>brief glimpse of Martha and Jonathan Kent. They have a
<v Speaker 3>great little bit where they discover him, and you have
<v Speaker 3>the falling truck, which I think will live in everybody's
<v Speaker 3>memory forever as the little kid lifts that truck up.
<v Speaker 3>A quick side.
<v Speaker 4>Note on that guy.
<v Speaker 3>The guy's name is the little kid, you know, the
<v Speaker 3>little kid who's naked and then who's lifting up the truck.
<v Speaker 4>His name is.
<v Speaker 3>Aaron Smolensky and he is the only actor who has
<v Speaker 3>been in Superman one, Superman three, and Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 3>He was remember at Superman three where he gets into
<v Speaker 3>the photo booth and like it has pictures of him
<v Speaker 3>changing from Clark Kenton Superman.
<v Speaker 4>He played the kid at the photo booth.
<v Speaker 3>On that one, and then of course he's an adult
<v Speaker 3>now and so he played a communications officer and Man
<v Speaker 3>of Steel. And there's some sort of fan film that
<v Speaker 3>there is in development right now called Superman Versus Doomsday,
<v Speaker 3>and if it gets made, he'll be Lex Luthor in
<v Speaker 3>that he's bald now, so looks like it could go
<v Speaker 3>to looks Lex Sluthor. But what an interesting life that
<v Speaker 3>guy has to have had it so far. But back
<v Speaker 3>to moln Pap Kent, Jonathan and Martha Kent. You don't
<v Speaker 3>get much from him, I mean, especially mock Kent. You
<v Speaker 3>don't get much at all. She's just kind of there, yeah, homely,
<v Speaker 3>she's old man, she's a little silver headed old woman.
<v Speaker 3>You don't get much from her other than you know,
<v Speaker 3>I love you, don't forget, I'll never forget. But you
<v Speaker 3>got way different parenting in this one. Martha Kent is
<v Speaker 3>fan f fantastic.
<v Speaker 4>I love her.
<v Speaker 3>Diane Lane, you know she can pull off young and
<v Speaker 3>old very easily. I bought her being old enough to
<v Speaker 3>be his mom and then always beautiful. Yeah, she still
<v Speaker 3>still can pull off being very young as well.
<v Speaker 4>And Kevin Costner does a great sort of Midwestern you know.
<v Speaker 4>I kept waiting for him to ask him if you
<v Speaker 4>want to have a catch.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 4>I mean he's great, He's mister field of dreams, you know. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And people had a problem with Jonathan Kent when Clark
<v Speaker 3>Kent says, should I just have let them die?
<v Speaker 4>Him saying maybe, but you've.
<v Speaker 3>Got to have that in order to establish within Clark
<v Speaker 3>how critical the idea of people cannot know what you
<v Speaker 3>can do.
<v Speaker 4>I totally agree with that. I've heard the criticism. But
<v Speaker 4>I mean you and I have teenagers, John, I mean
<v Speaker 4>your kids are not teenagers yet.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, my oldest is twelve.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, even if for a twelve year old to have
<v Speaker 4>godlike powers at that age and the decision making abilities,
<v Speaker 4>And Kevin Custner is, why is telling him let's let's wait,
<v Speaker 4>let's wait until you're ready to become the greatest being
<v Speaker 4>on this earth.
<v Speaker 5>When people were making such a big deal out of that,
<v Speaker 5>I kept thinking the same thing was, well, first of all,
<v Speaker 5>it's a movie. Second of all, put yourself in that
<v Speaker 5>person's place. You get the portrayal of Manpa Kent is
<v Speaker 5>in the original Superman movie is very much your classic. Well,
<v Speaker 5>it's a kindly old farm couple and they've raised this
<v Speaker 5>boy to be their own and they you know, good
<v Speaker 5>Midwestern United States values and everybody. You know, it's all
<v Speaker 5>very pure, and it's all there's not a whole lot
<v Speaker 5>of complication here. And you put yourself in the character
<v Speaker 5>of what Jonathan Kent as a human would have been like,
<v Speaker 5>and I feel like, well, I can't imagine I would
<v Speaker 5>be any different, Like I would be a little paranoid,
<v Speaker 5>and I would be concerned that if I let this slip,
<v Speaker 5>somebody's taken my son away and they're gonna experiment on him,
<v Speaker 5>and they're gonna do all this other crazy stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And not to mention, you.
<v Speaker 4>Have people start asking questions about how you illegally adopted
<v Speaker 4>a child.
<v Speaker 5>Right to me, I didn't have a problem with that.
<v Speaker 5>When that whole thing came out, and I remember seeing
<v Speaker 5>that the trailer and I remember having a discussion with
<v Speaker 5>and it might have been might have been Jeff, one
<v Speaker 5>of the other guys that's on the podcast with us
<v Speaker 5>sometimes we might have had a discussion about that and
<v Speaker 5>he was like, well, how do you feel about that?
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, you know what, First of all,
<v Speaker 5>it's in a trailer, so it could be completely out
<v Speaker 5>of context. So let's actually watch the movie and see
<v Speaker 5>and he's like, that makes sense. And even watching the
<v Speaker 5>movie and that line, it's like, you know, should I
<v Speaker 5>should I have let them die?
<v Speaker 2>Maybe?
<v Speaker 5>Well, okay, So watching this as an audience member watching
<v Speaker 5>a movie, I can sit there and have the luxury
<v Speaker 5>of saying, oh, Jonathan, no, no, no, bad advice, bad advice.
<v Speaker 5>But as a person like if I'm living in this
<v Speaker 5>world and if that's me, I probably would say something
<v Speaker 5>like that. I might regret it later on and they're like, Okay,
<v Speaker 5>I've made a mistake.
<v Speaker 2>Never mind. We don't let anybody ever die.
<v Speaker 5>But in the moment when I've got a scared kid
<v Speaker 5>that's asking me questions and like you said, he's got
<v Speaker 5>this godlike power at age thirteen or whatever he was, yeah,
<v Speaker 5>i'd probably be a little freaked out too.
<v Speaker 3>Another detail touch just you don't even notice it. I
<v Speaker 3>know this because I watched them behind the scenes when
<v Speaker 3>he ultimately shows Clark the spaceship that he came to
<v Speaker 3>Earth in. You get these extreme close ups of the
<v Speaker 3>desk behind him, and it's all his research on alien
<v Speaker 3>life and you know, extraterrestrial's UFO sightings, all of this.
<v Speaker 3>They went to the trouble to get all of that
<v Speaker 3>prepared for that tiny little scene that you don't even see.
<v Speaker 3>It's just kind of kind of crazy.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, before we jump ahead, I did want to say
<v Speaker 5>one thing about Diane Lane's Martha Kent is. To me,
<v Speaker 5>that's and I'm fine with the kindly old Martha Kent too.
<v Speaker 5>I mean that's traditionally, that's how she's portrayed in nearly
<v Speaker 5>everything else. But this Diane Lane Martha Kent, like she
<v Speaker 5>stands up to Zod And if you're a mother who
<v Speaker 5>has raised this child and he eventually someday is going
<v Speaker 5>to become Superman, that's the Martha Kent that I would
<v Speaker 5>expect to see, like someone who You've got this alien
<v Speaker 5>in front of you that has ridiculous power. He's you know,
<v Speaker 5>there's a couple of other theres too. They've thrown a
<v Speaker 5>truck into your house and you're still going to stand
<v Speaker 5>up to the guy. Like to me that Superman's mom.
<v Speaker 2>He has powers as.
<v Speaker 6>We do, certainly, but oh, magnificent one. He is just
<v Speaker 6>one or you are three or four if accounting twice.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 5>In terms of the character of Non they've introduced him
<v Speaker 5>into the newer comics and he's got a much more
<v Speaker 5>tragic story. I think that his story in the newer
<v Speaker 5>comics is he was friends with Joel and he was
<v Speaker 5>a member of the Kryptonian Council, and he.
<v Speaker 2>He was like lobottomized. Yeah, he was lobottomized.
<v Speaker 5>And so every time, you know, Joel sees him up
<v Speaker 5>until the destruction of Krypton, like it breaks his heart
<v Speaker 5>because that was a very close friend of his. And
<v Speaker 5>so it's obviously got a little bit more of a
<v Speaker 5>backstory when when you add that piece into it. One
<v Speaker 5>of the one of the characters that I was hoping
<v Speaker 5>that we would mention but didn't get mentioned. He's only
<v Speaker 5>in the original Superman for one or two seconds. The
<v Speaker 5>actor's name, I believe is Bo Rucker, and he played
<v Speaker 5>the pimp in Superman.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly.
<v Speaker 5>That's and I didn't want to I didn't want us
<v Speaker 5>to go beyond the actors and the characters without mentioning
<v Speaker 5>the pimp, because that is possibly the best line in
<v Speaker 5>the movie. And there have been times, and I love
<v Speaker 5>that my children have no idea what I'm quoting up
<v Speaker 5>until they see the movie and they're like, oh, so
<v Speaker 5>you didn't make that up. That's where you got that from.
<v Speaker 5>But there are times where if my kids will come
<v Speaker 5>in the room, they'll be like, Dad, this is what
<v Speaker 5>I'm wearing to church today.
<v Speaker 2>Is this okay? Or or Dad, this is what I've
<v Speaker 2>got on? Is this all right? A lot of times
<v Speaker 2>I'll go say, Jim, that's a bad outfit, But that
<v Speaker 2>is the best.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, just just and seeing that as a kid,
<v Speaker 5>that completely blew over my head of how funny that is.
<v Speaker 5>But as an adult and Christopher reeve his response to
<v Speaker 5>the whole thing, that is probably one of the most hilarious,
<v Speaker 5>like three or four seconds in the entire movie, because
<v Speaker 5>he does the whole revolving door thing, steps outside and
<v Speaker 5>the pimp says his line, say Jim, that's a bad outfit,
<v Speaker 5>and Superman just goes, excuse me, puts one finger and
<v Speaker 5>that flies away just like that. You could just have
<v Speaker 5>played me that four seconds and I would have said no, what,
<v Speaker 5>Superman's the greatest movie it's ever been.
<v Speaker 2>That's all I need to see.
<v Speaker 3>Young Clark in Superman movies was played by Jeff East. Now,
<v Speaker 3>when I watched these movies, I was like, holy cow,
<v Speaker 3>They've got a guy who sounds exactly like Christopher Reeve
<v Speaker 3>to play the young Christopher Reeve. I mean it doesn't
<v Speaker 3>look like in that much, but his voice is identical.
<v Speaker 3>No wonder they picked this guy. Yeah, so I was dumb.
<v Speaker 3>Chris Reid dubbed all those lines. Yeah, and they did
<v Speaker 3>it without Jeff East's knowledge. Now, Jeff East has been
<v Speaker 3>in a few other movies. Do you guys remember the
<v Speaker 3>old Tom Sawry movie with the red headed Tom Sawyer
<v Speaker 3>and Jodie Foster was He played Huck Finn in that movie,
<v Speaker 3>like a.
<v Speaker 4>Big bet yoah, what's doing?
<v Speaker 1>I'm good dubbing in the bottom of the much that's good?
<v Speaker 3>Can we don't give a hoot a He was really
<v Speaker 3>upset when he saw the movie and saw that his
<v Speaker 3>lines had been dubbed over by Christopher Reeve. He didn't know,
<v Speaker 3>the producers didn't tell him that that was going to happen.
<v Speaker 3>He didn't know what was gonna happen, so he was
<v Speaker 3>a little irritated. And then another interesting story for him.
<v Speaker 3>You know they're doing he does the train race where
<v Speaker 3>they've got him kind of an absurd running thing, but
<v Speaker 3>I loved.
<v Speaker 4>It when I was a kid. His gait is a
<v Speaker 4>little strange, It is a little.
<v Speaker 3>A little bit weird, but he they do that scene
<v Speaker 3>where he jumps in front of the train just at
<v Speaker 3>the last second, and they're using a real train, and
<v Speaker 3>he's that. He almost died at some point as they
<v Speaker 3>were trying to film this because one of the cables
<v Speaker 3>didn't do the like one of the cranes didn't do
<v Speaker 3>the right thing, and he swung back around and Richard Hackman,
<v Speaker 3>Gene Hackman's brother, who was the stunt guy on the scene,
<v Speaker 3>grabbed him before he swung back in front of the
<v Speaker 3>train and died.
<v Speaker 5>Now, since you brought it up, that was one of
<v Speaker 5>the things that I really liked about. How Man of
<v Speaker 5>Steel handled the Young Clark Kent piece was yeh, And
<v Speaker 5>I thought it was a pretty It was a fresh
<v Speaker 5>take on it that I just had not seen before
<v Speaker 5>watching that and thinking, you know what, the way he's
<v Speaker 5>dealing with these powers and these sensations that he just
<v Speaker 5>can't understand. It really reminded me of you know, a
<v Speaker 5>lot of times when a student will get diagnosed with
<v Speaker 5>some kind of a learning disability or whatever it might be,
<v Speaker 5>and I thought, you know, what is that the route
<v Speaker 5>that they're going to kind of take with this, is that,
<v Speaker 5>you know, what if we think of Superman as or
<v Speaker 5>what if we think of Clark Kent as he was
<v Speaker 5>a child that from the outside world he grew up
<v Speaker 5>with some kind of a disability like that would be
<v Speaker 5>an interesting take that I've never seen or heard of before.
<v Speaker 5>And just the way that you know his mom, you know,
<v Speaker 5>he panics because he you know, sees through his teacher,
<v Speaker 5>which would freak out anybody. I'm glad he didn't stop
<v Speaker 5>and be like pink. That would be pink.
<v Speaker 2>The teacher says, that's all awkward.
<v Speaker 5>But and then you know, he runs and locks himself
<v Speaker 5>in that closet, and then his mom has to come
<v Speaker 5>and kind of talk him through the whole thing. And
<v Speaker 5>he can hear all the kids making the comments about
<v Speaker 5>him outside the room, and the way she's just calming
<v Speaker 5>him down and trying to get him kind of back
<v Speaker 5>out of this panic that he's in I mean, I've
<v Speaker 5>seen students who actually do that. They just the world
<v Speaker 5>just overwhelms them so much. The sensory stuff that's coming
<v Speaker 5>in just gets to them so much that they just
<v Speaker 5>cannot They don't know how to process it.
<v Speaker 3>His life is a lonely existence, and the story of
<v Speaker 3>young Clerk Kent in Man of Steel, I mean, really
<v Speaker 3>informs who he is as an adult. And even going
<v Speaker 3>back and watching the original Superman movies with Christopher Reeve,
<v Speaker 3>you get that loneliness as well. There's this scene where
<v Speaker 3>he's tried to get Lois to go out with him,
<v Speaker 3>and she won't go out with him, and then he
<v Speaker 3>tries to say hi to the guys in the hall
<v Speaker 3>as he's waiting for the elevator, and it gets ignored,
<v Speaker 3>and then he's just kind of standing there waiting on
<v Speaker 3>the elevator, and there's this sense of loneliness of this
<v Speaker 3>is what comes with being Superman. It's not you know,
<v Speaker 3>we all think, oh, gosh, I just want to be Superman,
<v Speaker 3>but there's this huge isolation that comes with the job
<v Speaker 3>that it's tough.
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you what, though Superman as a strange child
<v Speaker 4>or a lonely man as a whole lot better than
<v Speaker 4>Superman as a stalker that you get in Superman Returns
<v Speaker 4>when he breaks into that person's house. And I mean,
<v Speaker 4>if you've got super Man as an intruder, you got
<v Speaker 4>a problem.
<v Speaker 3>I'm bullying. I've got a full note on this one.
<v Speaker 3>Bullying is a huge part of this. And John, I
<v Speaker 3>feel like, and I could be totally making this up
<v Speaker 3>in my head, but I feel like you posted maybe
<v Speaker 3>an article a few months ago on kind of the
<v Speaker 3>notion of bullying and that sometimes it makes gets stronger.
<v Speaker 3>And Chris Rock's got a comedy specialist on Netflix right now,
<v Speaker 3>where like he finds out that they have a no tolerance.
<v Speaker 4>Policy for bullying at his daughter's school and he's.
<v Speaker 3>Like, I almost pulled her out right Then he says,
<v Speaker 3>bullies made me who I am, And so it's you know,
<v Speaker 3>bullying is a huge part of the backstory of a
<v Speaker 3>Superman in both movies. You get more of it in
<v Speaker 3>the original trilogy with the Smallville guy. What was that
<v Speaker 3>guy's name, Brad? What a slimee ball? But then in
<v Speaker 3>the Man of Steel when you get I mean, you
<v Speaker 3>imagine if you were able to hear every ugly thing
<v Speaker 3>that people said about.
<v Speaker 5>You, right, what would that turn you into? If you
<v Speaker 5>had if you could hear everything in town? Yeah, and
<v Speaker 5>you heard every rumor, you heard every kid whispering about you.
<v Speaker 3>That idea is what is the driving force behind the
<v Speaker 3>whole beginning story for Man of Steel. I mean, the
<v Speaker 3>whole story really for Man of Steel is this unspoken
<v Speaker 3>question for Clark, which is is humanity worth saving? Because
<v Speaker 3>you get Seen after Seen, where you've got humans being
<v Speaker 3>despicable followed up by humans doing the right thing. You've
<v Speaker 3>got the guy saving his life on the what were
<v Speaker 3>they doing on the boat?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>Catch man?
<v Speaker 3>You know, he saves his life and then he calls
<v Speaker 3>you know, these calls him a dumba. But this kind
<v Speaker 3>of means like, you know, even though he thinks I'm
<v Speaker 3>an idiot, he still saved me, which then leads to him.
<v Speaker 4>You know, saving all those guys on the oil ricord.
<v Speaker 4>You've got the kids.
<v Speaker 3>Being mean to him, and then his mom comes in
<v Speaker 3>and it's nice to him. You've got peace Ross being
<v Speaker 3>mean to him on the bus before Lana's nice to him,
<v Speaker 3>which leads to him saving Pete. Then you got the bully,
<v Speaker 3>you know, picking on him while he's reading Plato and
<v Speaker 3>and who is it that shows up to be nice?
<v Speaker 3>It's Pete Ross who he's changed, you know, it's it's this.
<v Speaker 2>You got, you got the guy at the bar later
<v Speaker 2>on that throws the beer at.
<v Speaker 3>Him, right, and the waitress who's you know, he's like,
<v Speaker 3>it's not worth it, honey. And then and then it
<v Speaker 3>all culminates with Lois, who you know, she's going to
<v Speaker 3>get the story.
<v Speaker 4>She's going to get the story.
<v Speaker 3>She finally figures it out, but when she realizes what's
<v Speaker 3>at stake, she drops it. She doesn't let him go,
<v Speaker 3>which then gives you those lines later on where he
<v Speaker 3>says thank you and she says for what and he
<v Speaker 3>says for believing in me? And she said it didn't
<v Speaker 3>end up meaning very much, and he says it did
<v Speaker 3>for me.
<v Speaker 2>That's she's She's the humanity that's worth saving.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the whole question. And you talked about this
<v Speaker 3>in your podcast, And this was a huge deal for me.
<v Speaker 3>When I saw a Man of Steel the front time,
<v Speaker 3>I was kind of heavily into reading the Bible at
<v Speaker 3>that point, and so when I saw Man of Steel,
<v Speaker 3>I was like, holy smokes, there's a lot of christ
<v Speaker 3>references in this in this movie, I was like, I
<v Speaker 3>learned about you know, that was Donner's intent, and you
<v Speaker 3>can see it in the Donner cut, but it was.
<v Speaker 3>Donner says, nobody's going to put as many christ references
<v Speaker 3>in as I will in a Superman movie, and ex
<v Speaker 3>Tider says, hold my beer.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well that was My wife was surprised the first
<v Speaker 5>time we watched she had never seen I mean it
<v Speaker 5>was several years ago now, but she had never seen
<v Speaker 5>the original Richard Donner Superman. And the first time we
<v Speaker 5>sat down and watched it together, is she like part
<v Speaker 5>way through the movie, she goes, so, is Richard Donner
<v Speaker 5>a Christian?
<v Speaker 6>Like?
<v Speaker 5>Is he like a pastor or something? Because there's a
<v Speaker 5>lot of stuff in here, like, I mean, that's pretty
<v Speaker 5>much straight out of the Bible. Is that like most
<v Speaker 5>of the stuff Jory Elle is saying, I mean, it
<v Speaker 5>really sounds like it's right out of the Bible. And
<v Speaker 5>I said, it's just that's just how they chose to
<v Speaker 5>do it.
<v Speaker 4>But the father becomes the son, yeah yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And with Man of.
<v Speaker 3>Steel, well, he's thirty three years old at the point
<v Speaker 3>that he's trying to decide whether to give up and
<v Speaker 3>save humanity or not. He goes to the church and
<v Speaker 3>right behind him as he's talking to the preacher is
<v Speaker 3>Jesus praying in the garden of Cassemone. I was like, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>that's that is that is amazing, and I don't know
<v Speaker 3>how many other people are seeing what I'm seeing right now.
<v Speaker 3>And then of course at what he right after, Jorell
<v Speaker 3>says you can save her, you can save all of them,
<v Speaker 3>and he busts out of the ship and does his
<v Speaker 3>nest plunge in the Jesus on the cross.
<v Speaker 4>I was just like, wow, let me just make a
<v Speaker 4>comment on the seat real quick. Yeah, we can compare uniforms.
<v Speaker 4>But the original Superman movie, they wanted it to be darker,
<v Speaker 4>but they had to make it louder because they were
<v Speaker 4>losing them in the in the effects, like when they're
<v Speaker 4>flying around at night. I liked how in Man of Steel,
<v Speaker 4>you know they always talked about Superman flying around in
<v Speaker 4>blue underwear. In Man of Steel, well red underwear griefs right,
<v Speaker 4>but actually takes off his battle armor and he's wearing
<v Speaker 4>that blue suit underneath, and so it actually is an undergarment. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>which I think is really cool. Turns out it is underwear.
<v Speaker 4>The I do like how it looked like a super
<v Speaker 4>small like chain metal, like it was protective.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I don't mean to steer us off course on the uniform.
<v Speaker 3>But there's a great interview out there between Christopher Nolan,
<v Speaker 3>you know, who is the producer on Man of Steel,
<v Speaker 3>and Dick Donner, and he said he told Dick Donner, this.
<v Speaker 4>Is interesting story. Number one.
<v Speaker 3>Christopher Nolan, of course grew up in England. He got
<v Speaker 3>to go and see this set for Superman wanting when
<v Speaker 3>he was like six years old. And then when he
<v Speaker 3>he pitched his idea to Warner Brothers, he said, I
<v Speaker 3>want to do for Batman what Dick Donner did for
<v Speaker 3>Superman back in seventy eight when he was pitching his
<v Speaker 3>Dark Knight. But they note in that interview, you know
<v Speaker 3>everything's done on green screen now, but back when they
<v Speaker 3>were doing Superman, it was blue screen, right right, Well,
<v Speaker 3>Superman's in a blue suit. How do you make him
<v Speaker 3>not invisible? That was tough, like they had to go
<v Speaker 3>through several different colors to finally find one that was
<v Speaker 3>a blue that you could see that looks right, but
<v Speaker 3>was not one that was going to make Superman invisible.
<v Speaker 4>Superman one in two. You've got to go back to
<v Speaker 4>the seventies in real These are all practical effects, so
<v Speaker 4>projection and wires and stuff like that. You know that
<v Speaker 4>the cape in Man of Steel is CGI yep.
<v Speaker 2>I expect better matters from my guests.
<v Speaker 5>Related to the Superman's suit itself, I was just a
<v Speaker 5>little disappointed Man of Steel that he didn't tear that
<v Speaker 5>emblem off and turn it into a cell phone ass
<v Speaker 5>that he could throw at people.
<v Speaker 2>I was so looking forward to that, but it just
<v Speaker 2>never happened.
<v Speaker 4>The cell as the cellfen ass. Okay, so let's get
<v Speaker 4>into that because a lot of people like to point
<v Speaker 4>out that this even the family Guy had a little
<v Speaker 4>thing about this, how it was just a minor inconvenience
<v Speaker 4>to none, didn't really do anything, and it wasn't based
<v Speaker 4>in any comic book. It's just kind of a weird thing.
<v Speaker 4>The selfane is. But that's not the biggest problem from
<v Speaker 4>the Superman one and two movies. Can we get into
<v Speaker 4>the reversal and the superkiss I'm ready to dive into
<v Speaker 4>the Yeah. Okay, so I love Superman one and two.
<v Speaker 4>I am going to defend Superman one and two, but
<v Speaker 4>it has problems. So let's talk about number one, the
<v Speaker 4>ending to Superman one, which was originally supposed to be
<v Speaker 4>ending for Superman two. The time reversal. So they were
<v Speaker 4>filming this movie. There's film two movies at the same time,
<v Speaker 4>when they realized, man, we're running out of money and
<v Speaker 4>we're not sure we're going to have enough money to
<v Speaker 4>finish Superman two, So let's finish Superman one. But they
<v Speaker 4>had this ending that they liked, and so they took
<v Speaker 4>the ending that was supposed to end at Superman two
<v Speaker 4>to put it at the end of Superman one. If
<v Speaker 4>he flies backwards around the Earth, the Earth stops spinning
<v Speaker 4>and actually starts being backwards, which causes time to reverse.
<v Speaker 4>People at the equator are spinning at approximately two thousand
<v Speaker 4>miles per hour, and if the Earth suddenly stopped spinning,
<v Speaker 4>those people would continue to move at two thousand miles
<v Speaker 4>an hour. So the reversing the Earth on its access
<v Speaker 4>would kill tons of people and destroy the Earth. It's
<v Speaker 4>not going to reverse time, but I'm okay with it.
<v Speaker 3>When I was a kid, I was like, oh, man, wow,
<v Speaker 3>I can't figure out how he manages to go in
<v Speaker 3>a circle around the Earth. About one hundred times in
<v Speaker 3>a few seconds. But he can't get from one side
<v Speaker 3>of the United States to the other in ten minutes.
<v Speaker 4>That he's got to Yeah, give both of the missiles.
<v Speaker 4>I saw one of those. How it should have ended
<v Speaker 4>things right right now?
<v Speaker 2>You can't catch both of those.
<v Speaker 5>Oh wait, now, there was something that I read a
<v Speaker 5>while ago, and it actually made because this scene always
<v Speaker 5>bothered me too, like the whole time reversal stuff. And
<v Speaker 5>I will get into the time reversal piece of it
<v Speaker 5>two because I think that's still a problematic way to
<v Speaker 5>try to solve your problems. But this scene where he flies,
<v Speaker 5>and I too have always kind of assumed, well, wow,
<v Speaker 5>he flew fast enough that it turned the Earth backwards
<v Speaker 5>and it reversed the rotation of the Earth. And then
<v Speaker 5>I read something and the person said, well, what if
<v Speaker 5>he's not actually exerting any kind of force on the Earth.
<v Speaker 5>What if we're just seeing him fly so fast that
<v Speaker 5>he's flying backward in time and we're seeing the Earth
<v Speaker 5>turn backwards, because that's time turning backwards, not that he's
<v Speaker 5>actually turning the Earth backwards. And I'm like, oh, well, okay,
<v Speaker 5>I mean I guess I'm I'm feel a little bit
<v Speaker 5>better about that. Then if we're just watching the Earth
<v Speaker 5>rotate backwards because he's traveling back in time as opposed
<v Speaker 5>to he's actually forcing the Earth to turn backwards, I'm like,
<v Speaker 5>all right, well, I clearly didn't get that as a kid.
<v Speaker 5>Like as a kid, I was like, wow, he can
<v Speaker 5>turn the earth backwards.
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty rare.
<v Speaker 5>But I also know that you've got all kinds of
<v Speaker 5>paradoxes when you deal with time travel, and so I'm
<v Speaker 5>looking at that, I'm like, okay now as an adult.
<v Speaker 5>As a kid, I was just like, all right, he
<v Speaker 5>turned back time, we say Lois, everything all good? But
<v Speaker 5>then I'm also thinking about it now as an adult,
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh, wait a minute. If he turned back time,
<v Speaker 5>then did he catch the missiles? And where is he
<v Speaker 5>when the what if? Wait a minute now, okay, so
<v Speaker 5>where is current Superman when he's turning back the time?
<v Speaker 5>Did he catch the missiles? And how could he still
<v Speaker 5>get back to where Lois was?
<v Speaker 2>And was she wait? How is she? Okay? Now? Because
<v Speaker 2>if he.
<v Speaker 5>Turned back time, the missiles would still have hit because
<v Speaker 5>he didn't go stop the missiles earlier. As an adult,
<v Speaker 5>if somebody were to do that now in a movie,
<v Speaker 5>I'd be like, all right, that's kind of a cheap
<v Speaker 5>way to undo everything.
<v Speaker 4>It's cheap. But I don't think it's as cheap as
<v Speaker 4>the amnesia kiss.
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, that yeah, that's it.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's talk about Okay, the super kiss is an
<v Speaker 4>underrated superpower. All right, I am telling you. If they're
<v Speaker 4>so underrated, it's non existent men in this world. Let's again.
<v Speaker 4>I know every man alive would like the power to
<v Speaker 4>fly and have X rayvation. I want to start answering
<v Speaker 4>that question that way. Now, Hey, if you could have
<v Speaker 4>any superpower, what would it be amnesia kiss? That's what
<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking. If you could have a relationship and then
<v Speaker 4>be able to superkiss your way out of that relationship,
<v Speaker 4>those are pretty good superpower. Yeah, but I told I
<v Speaker 4>told you this yesterday. At the end of the movie
<v Speaker 4>Weird Science, when Lisa causes Gary's dad to forget that
<v Speaker 4>she was over there because she's appting a little bit
<v Speaker 4>too hard. What if you kiss the girl a little
<v Speaker 4>bit too hard? What if he kissed Lois too hard?
<v Speaker 4>And now she has no recollection at who Clark is.
<v Speaker 4>But that's not even the biggest problem with the movies,
<v Speaker 4>very delicate thing.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when they get into the Fortress of Solitude and
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden there's eighteen different new powers that
<v Speaker 3>we've never seen before, including stuff coming out of your finger.
<v Speaker 4>What's to deal with the white beams?
<v Speaker 3>I mean?
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>And how does he how does he push the rays
<v Speaker 4>to the outside that turned you into mortal man? How
<v Speaker 4>does that happen?
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna push real hard on the glass here
<v Speaker 3>and everything will go out and I'll be safe inside. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>So Superman two is easy to pick on, Yes, it's
<v Speaker 3>it's very.
<v Speaker 4>Easy to pick on. There's a lot of a lot
<v Speaker 4>of lester things that you can just get. Well, that
<v Speaker 4>was really dumb.
<v Speaker 2>It's also the most fun, right it is.
<v Speaker 3>Well, but I'm gonna go ahead and pick on Superman
<v Speaker 3>one at this point. I enjoy the camp I enjoy
<v Speaker 3>the humor, but there are some things in Superman one
<v Speaker 3>that I was just like, what just happened?
<v Speaker 4>Just now?
<v Speaker 3>When Lex Luthor, in a matter of about a minute
<v Speaker 3>and thirty seconds, not only figures out what kryptonite can do,
<v Speaker 3>but where to get it by going around on his
<v Speaker 3>four shelf bookshelf, it's absurd He's like, oh, well, you
<v Speaker 3>know he said he's from another galaxy. Well, I think
<v Speaker 3>he said that I was feeling that meteorite, which means
<v Speaker 3>that a piece of his planet had to have hit Earth.
<v Speaker 2>No, no, that's not what happened. It's a really big universe.
<v Speaker 4>And I'm going to go ahead and scoot on over here.
<v Speaker 4>Pull out a book. Here's a guy with a meteorite.
<v Speaker 4>Here's a picture.
<v Speaker 2>I'll tear it out.
<v Speaker 4>You can look at it. We know where he is,
<v Speaker 4>and how do we know that this is from crypto?
<v Speaker 2>We don't.
<v Speaker 4>We don't. I'm going to poke the bear and then
<v Speaker 4>the oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 3>And then somehow he makes it out there, picks up
<v Speaker 3>his steals the because he steals it.
<v Speaker 4>From a museum. I know that that news report's going on.
<v Speaker 3>He steals it from the museum, then manages to make
<v Speaker 3>it back in time to set all the stuff up
<v Speaker 3>with the missiles, and then manages to make it out
<v Speaker 3>to the area where the land deals are going on.
<v Speaker 4>It's just all I'm just like, oh, guys.
<v Speaker 2>Well, but I mean, he's the greatest criminal mind of
<v Speaker 2>our age.
<v Speaker 4>Looks luster how about you? The fect that he he
<v Speaker 4>says where does he go Miss test Baker uh north
<v Speaker 4>right north? So he wanders around vaguely until he finds
<v Speaker 4>the Fortress of Solitude, and then when he gets there,
<v Speaker 4>Superman spent at least was it twelve years from time
<v Speaker 4>he was eighteen till the time he was about thirty
<v Speaker 4>learning about Kryptonian history. It's a nice way to dodge Vietnam.
<v Speaker 4>By the way, I'm just gonna hang out the Fortress
<v Speaker 4>the Eyes Disco, but Lex Luthor shows up in about
<v Speaker 4>five minutes. He's got it all figured out right, the
<v Speaker 4>crystals and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 5>Again, greatest crim the mind of our I think I
<v Speaker 5>think you guys are really struggling with something you don't
<v Speaker 5>need to struggle with. He's the greatest criminal mind of
<v Speaker 5>our age. That's all you need to know. It's like
<v Speaker 5>the I don't know if you've seen lately, I've seen
<v Speaker 5>people put up these gifts or this image on Twitter,
<v Speaker 5>the meme for Batman being the Greatest Detective. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 5>it's from the episode of when he was trying to
<v Speaker 5>figure out the identity of the Joker and he's got
<v Speaker 5>a picture of this like gangster that the face kind
<v Speaker 5>of resembles the Joker. And he's but he's in like
<v Speaker 5>a picture with like twelve other people and Batman in
<v Speaker 5>the animated series. He takes this red marker and he
<v Speaker 5>just draws a red smiley face the guy, and he's like,
<v Speaker 5>that's the joker. I'm like, really that, you know, the
<v Speaker 5>Great Dark Knight Detective. All it took was a red
<v Speaker 5>sharpie for you to figure out who the Joker was.
<v Speaker 4>But you know what that the super kiss is not
<v Speaker 4>the biggest problem. The turning the time back is not
<v Speaker 4>the biggest problem. Wandering around and finding the fortresssualty is
<v Speaker 4>not the biggest problem. The biggest problem for me is
<v Speaker 4>when Clark trips over the bare head and falls into
<v Speaker 4>the fire and reveals himself to be Superman. First of all,
<v Speaker 4>Superman would kick that bear through the wall. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>the fact that he would trip is ludicrous. And then
<v Speaker 4>I mean he fights fights, fights Lois, and then he
<v Speaker 4>reaches in and grabs the glasses real quick, and you know,
<v Speaker 4>as soon as she confronts him, well you are Superman,
<v Speaker 4>he just.
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, yeah, tell him sorry about almost letting you
<v Speaker 3>drowned earlier. I'll just go ahead and pass up now
<v Speaker 3>now that your life's not in danger at all.
<v Speaker 4>The reveal is ludicrous, but the Donnor reveal was just
<v Speaker 4>as bad. She pulls a gun on him. I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>I feel bad for this guy. She fires at him,
<v Speaker 4>which he then takes his glass off. Hey, I'm Superman,
<v Speaker 4>and he's like, that was a really dangerous and risky
<v Speaker 4>game for you to play. She's like, with blanks blanks, right.
<v Speaker 3>Which then then you go, Okay, So Superman doesn't feel
<v Speaker 3>bullets at all, gets shot.
<v Speaker 4>There's no feeling whatsoever. There's got to be at least
<v Speaker 4>a tickle. See if that was you, though, and somebody
<v Speaker 4>pulled a gun on you and fired an actual gun
<v Speaker 4>you're trying to seduce, you'd have to change your shorts.
<v Speaker 4>The seduction would be over at that point. The reveal
<v Speaker 4>is my biggest problem with these two movies.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're moving into judgment stage here, so let's we've
<v Speaker 3>talked about the problems with Superman one and Superman two.
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about problems with Man of Steel. Okay, Jason,
<v Speaker 3>you have the floor.
<v Speaker 4>Okay. My biggest problem is when he executes Zod, the
<v Speaker 4>killing of Zod, and I know that they try to
<v Speaker 4>make the case compelling that he's going to X ray
<v Speaker 4>vision these innocent civilians, and that's kind of Clark's last chance.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's what he has to do.
<v Speaker 4>But for me, when I saw this movie in theaters,
<v Speaker 4>I thought, man, I just I don't know if I
<v Speaker 4>want Superman killing I don't know what you think.
<v Speaker 3>Well, he killed ZD and Superman two as well, and
<v Speaker 3>just to just to draw the distinction here, at least
<v Speaker 3>he struggled with the decision a little bit steel and
<v Speaker 3>when it happened, he cried out in agony, like, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, I've just killed the last Trypton Kryptonian member
<v Speaker 3>of our Racey.
<v Speaker 4>Like how you say it, likerypt.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he didn't. He didn't smile and wink at him
<v Speaker 2>before he threw him into the chasm.
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was in in Superman too, as he's
<v Speaker 3>coming up and he's acting like he doesn't have.
<v Speaker 4>His powers, and he kneels down.
<v Speaker 3>He has got the biggest frown I've ever seen in
<v Speaker 3>my life, like I've got to hide what's about to
<v Speaker 3>happen because I'm just gonna nails out so I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>look super super sad. And then he doesn't just kill him,
<v Speaker 3>he crushes his fan and then throws him, screaming in pain,
<v Speaker 3>down a bottomless pit.
<v Speaker 4>It's of the two deaths, I think the quick next
<v Speaker 4>step is what I would choose.
<v Speaker 2>So that was, you know, when Man of Steel came out.
<v Speaker 5>I'm the person in my circle of friends that whenever
<v Speaker 5>a Star Wars movie comes out, whenever a Superman movie
<v Speaker 5>comes out, people always like, go to me first, what
<v Speaker 5>do you think? Right, you need to know what you thought,
<v Speaker 5>because if you loved it, then that probably means it's
<v Speaker 5>pretty good, and you know all this stuff. And so
<v Speaker 5>I was like the first person people get into debates
<v Speaker 5>with and they were like, oh, man, he just he
<v Speaker 5>let the whole city get trashed, and Superman would never
<v Speaker 5>do that, and you know and all that stuff. He's like, oh,
<v Speaker 5>super he snapped his neck. He'd never you know, Superman
<v Speaker 5>would never do that. I'm like, uh, if you have
<v Speaker 5>read a Superman story, like there's times all the time
<v Speaker 5>where somebody dies or or something happens like that, and
<v Speaker 5>the exact same thing. When that came up, and people
<v Speaker 5>are like, well, he is Superman would never snap his
<v Speaker 5>neck like that, I said, well, have you watched Superman two,
<v Speaker 5>because not only does he I mean, these people are powerless,
<v Speaker 5>Like he has reversed this process, so these are It's
<v Speaker 5>not like he's fighting a super villain in Superman two.
<v Speaker 5>He's now fighting Disco Zod and Ursa and Non and
<v Speaker 5>he's just letting them die. And I'm like that to
<v Speaker 5>me now that I think about that as an adult.
<v Speaker 5>As a kid, I was like, yeah, you go, Superman,
<v Speaker 5>crush his hand, you do all this stuff, you know,
<v Speaker 5>and wrong again Zod. And as a kid, I was
<v Speaker 5>like this, it's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>I love this.
<v Speaker 5>He's finally getting back of these people. And I look
<v Speaker 5>at that now and I go, that's really sadistic, Like
<v Speaker 5>he could have if the guy can go catch a missile,
<v Speaker 5>you know, if he can fly halfway across the United
<v Speaker 5>States and catch a missile and then possibly fly back
<v Speaker 5>and get the second one and be like, hey, I
<v Speaker 5>got both of them, then I have a feeling that
<v Speaker 5>super Superman could probably zip the what was it, fifteen
<v Speaker 5>feet to go like, you know, catch Non before he
<v Speaker 5>falls into the chasm. He could then zip the fifteen
<v Speaker 5>feet to go catch Ursa. He could even let Lois
<v Speaker 5>you know, do her thing and punch Ursa. Right, I'm
<v Speaker 5>fine with that. But then he could go catch her
<v Speaker 5>so she doesn't die and he doesn't have to throw
<v Speaker 5>Zod into the thing and kill him. These are he's
<v Speaker 5>killing humans. So that to me now as an adult
<v Speaker 5>and kind of comparing those situations, that's way more problematic
<v Speaker 5>for me when I actually think about how those villains
<v Speaker 5>were done way with in that movie and knowing the
<v Speaker 5>history of the comics, actually killing Zod in the comics
<v Speaker 5>was something that defined Superman for many, many, many years.
<v Speaker 5>There were moments in the Superman comics for the next
<v Speaker 5>after two to three decades after the mid eighties, where
<v Speaker 5>Superman would always bring that up. He's like, well, the
<v Speaker 5>reason I don't kill is because I did kill Zod.
<v Speaker 5>I executed Zod and his generals, and it tore me
<v Speaker 5>up and it made me value life once I realized
<v Speaker 5>what I had done, and there's always got to be
<v Speaker 5>a better way. So that to me was that kind
<v Speaker 5>of moment is what makes him, you know, it's it's
<v Speaker 5>what's building that character, it's what makes him the Superman
<v Speaker 5>that he will later become. And when that happened in
<v Speaker 5>Man of Steel, I didn't have a problem with it
<v Speaker 5>because I looked at that as You've got Superman who's
<v Speaker 5>been I mean he's been raised on Earth. He's a civilian,
<v Speaker 5>he's been raised on Earth, and he's fighting someone that
<v Speaker 5>has the exact same powers he does with military training,
<v Speaker 5>you know probably you know, self defense, military type training,
<v Speaker 5>and so he's not going to have the same tactical knowledge,
<v Speaker 5>the same kind of fighting skill, you know that. And
<v Speaker 5>he's he's doing what he can. Like this is still
<v Speaker 5>a very young super he's only been Superman for what
<v Speaker 5>a day, maybe right, a couple of days, And so
<v Speaker 5>I'm looking at that and I'm going, well, putting myself
<v Speaker 5>in that shoes, Well, well, what I do in that situation?
<v Speaker 5>If I saw a family about to get killed, this
<v Speaker 5>guy who has basically said, you've wiped out all the
<v Speaker 5>rest of my people, I have nothing left. I will
<v Speaker 5>kill every person on this earth to get back at you.
<v Speaker 5>So he said, I'm gonna murder everyone. I'm just letting
<v Speaker 5>you know. I'm gonna murder everyone. And I look at that,
<v Speaker 5>and I go put in that situation, I mean, I
<v Speaker 5>would never kill anyone me personally, and like, no, I
<v Speaker 5>would never kill anyone. But if you put me in
<v Speaker 5>that situation, would I struggle with it, and if push
<v Speaker 5>came to shove, would I snap the guy's neck to
<v Speaker 5>save a group of other people, a family, and possibly
<v Speaker 5>the rest of the earth.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 5>Probably, So that scene, it doesn't bother me. And what
<v Speaker 5>bothers me more, and this is not necessarily the scope
<v Speaker 5>of our discussion, but what bothers me more is that
<v Speaker 5>we didn't get a Man of Steel two to be
<v Speaker 5>able to explore that further. But no, that scene doesn't
<v Speaker 5>bother me because I compare that now with Superman two
<v Speaker 5>and I think, well, actually that seems more callous and
<v Speaker 5>a little bit more sociopathic than the event some Man Steel.
<v Speaker 4>You know, we we were talking about this. This has
<v Speaker 4>been a few weeks ago. It had never even occurred
<v Speaker 4>to me that Superman killed all three of those villains
<v Speaker 4>and Superman two because I'm still looking at it through
<v Speaker 4>a child's eyes. Apparently there's rumors of some cut out
<v Speaker 4>there that shows that these criminals were arrested and taken
<v Speaker 4>to jail. Yeah, I think that didn't you You did
<v Speaker 4>some research on that, Like there was I saw it
<v Speaker 4>that where they he arrested Lex Luthor. Right, the Arctic
<v Speaker 4>police come in and arrest Lex Luthor. The Arctic Arctic
<v Speaker 4>Police who happened to also get access to Fortress so Solitude.
<v Speaker 4>I think Lewis called nine one one.
<v Speaker 5>In the in the there's a super phone they have.
<v Speaker 5>They have a little it's it's under a glass jar.
<v Speaker 5>It's like what used to have you just you pick
<v Speaker 5>up the glass jar. It's like a it's like a
<v Speaker 5>you know, Kryptonian crystal jar.
<v Speaker 2>You make the phone.
<v Speaker 4>It's one of the things that he did in the
<v Speaker 4>molecule chambers, called nine.
<v Speaker 2>To one one.
<v Speaker 3>But apparently the rumor that the three Kryptonian villains get
<v Speaker 3>arrested and put in human jail is just that, it's
<v Speaker 3>just a rumor.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, but I will say this when we talked
<v Speaker 4>about this, so and I'm moving in towards my final
<v Speaker 4>judgment here, but after rewatching these Man of Steel is
<v Speaker 4>better than I remember it being initially. Superman two is
<v Speaker 4>worse than I remember it being originally. But at the
<v Speaker 4>time Superman two did a great job of manipulating my
<v Speaker 4>feelings as a little boy. Yeah, and I was telling
<v Speaker 4>indeed that when he goes into the molecule chamber and
<v Speaker 4>there's red on the outside rather than the inside, I
<v Speaker 4>didn't catch that when I saw it in the theater,
<v Speaker 4>and so when he starts crushing his hand, I'm like, wait,
<v Speaker 4>what what And then I'm like yes, So that scene
<v Speaker 4>charged me up. When los Lane punches out Versa that
<v Speaker 4>I got fired up about that.
<v Speaker 2>I was so excited.
<v Speaker 3>We didn't touch on this, but this is a major
<v Speaker 3>factor in what's going on in those scenes and how
<v Speaker 3>you feel emotionally at the time of the death of
<v Speaker 3>Zod and his hinchment with Superman.
<v Speaker 4>You've got John Williams.
<v Speaker 3>Score, which I mean, arguably the best superhero score in
<v Speaker 3>all of history, right, And I will tell you that.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I heard about Dick Donner coming in and
<v Speaker 3>hearing this for the first time, and he said something
<v Speaker 3>that that that gave me vindication because I will sing
<v Speaker 3>Superman to my kids.
<v Speaker 4>Whenever we're putting it on in the car and I
<v Speaker 4>go Superman, I mean, I love it.
<v Speaker 3>And but apparently that was exactly Dick Donner's reaction when
<v Speaker 3>he heard William's theme for Superman was you are saying
<v Speaker 3>it with the music, and it's fantastic. When he crushes
<v Speaker 3>his hand, you get that score coming in with d
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, yes, it's a victory. We've got the
<v Speaker 3>victory theme, but when he's having to decide to kill Zod,
<v Speaker 3>it's agonizing.
<v Speaker 4>You've got You've got.
<v Speaker 3>Zimmer's intense, emotional, non automatic music just pulling at you,
<v Speaker 3>and it's Yeah, it totally changes your perspective to where
<v Speaker 3>you think, oh, gosh, this is horrible, this is a
<v Speaker 3>horrible Superman's killing somebody. Well that's what they want you
<v Speaker 3>to think, because it is horrible. It's just that in
<v Speaker 3>Superman they made it funny and justified.
<v Speaker 4>And John I thought for a second the d was
<v Speaker 4>going to sing can you read my line?
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Definitely the most awkward moment.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, horrible reading that Margaret Kidder did.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>In terms of the music, I mean that since since
<v Speaker 5>we're talking music, I have a really hard time with
<v Speaker 5>this one. As I was as I was doing my
<v Speaker 5>back and forth of all right, well, okay, you get
<v Speaker 5>John Williams on Zimmer, let's go back and forth with it.
<v Speaker 5>And then who did they replace John Williams with for
<v Speaker 5>to ken Thorn? Yeah, And you know, I and I
<v Speaker 5>spent the last few days I had my Spotify playlist
<v Speaker 5>up and I just put I put all the soundtracks
<v Speaker 5>together and I was like, I'm just gonna listen to this,
<v Speaker 5>back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and
<v Speaker 5>you know what, the John Williams you can't argue with that.
<v Speaker 5>It's it's iconic, it is it is Superman. It's I mean,
<v Speaker 5>that's been for ever since nineteen seventy eight Hans Zimmer score.
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's gonna do that.
<v Speaker 5>When my son was really really little, still in his
<v Speaker 5>car seat, I'd put on like the planet Krypton.
<v Speaker 2>Theme from Superman.
<v Speaker 5>And when it would when it would get to the
<v Speaker 5>point where it just crescendoed, he'd like, I'm not even
<v Speaker 5>gonna do it, right, but he'd like throw both arms
<v Speaker 5>up in the air, back in his car seat, and
<v Speaker 5>I was like, okay, I've raised you well. I really
<v Speaker 5>could just stop now because you know this has been successful.
<v Speaker 5>But you know you've got that, You've got the John Williams,
<v Speaker 5>you know, had that very kind of synthesizer, creepy, you know,
<v Speaker 5>the almost like the little the Kryptonian zod theme that
<v Speaker 5>got continued on through Superman to I will say though,
<v Speaker 5>that overall, as an entire movie, as an entire film,
<v Speaker 5>I think that the Hans Zimmer score did a little
<v Speaker 5>bit better job for me of filling in the filling
<v Speaker 5>in the atmosphere of that movie. Like if I look
<v Speaker 5>at the if I look at the original Superman and
<v Speaker 5>Superman to score, I can probably in my mind, I
<v Speaker 5>can probably pick out, oh yeah, there's like three pieces
<v Speaker 5>of music that I can remember, right, And that's if
<v Speaker 5>I ignore the can you read my mind part, which
<v Speaker 5>I'm constantly trying to do. I wish, I wish there
<v Speaker 5>was some kind of a super kiss that could get
<v Speaker 5>that one out of my mind. But then I think
<v Speaker 5>about the Hans Zimmer score and I'm like, Okay, is
<v Speaker 5>there anything in there that's as memorable as the Planet
<v Speaker 5>Krypton theme as the John Williams Superman theme. No, but
<v Speaker 5>in the movie as a whole overall, that that fills
<v Speaker 5>that movie so much better than the John Williams score does.
<v Speaker 3>They did some neat things with Hans Zimmer's score musically,
<v Speaker 3>like he Superman, being as an American as he is,
<v Speaker 3>he wanted to take something that was a uniquely American instrument,
<v Speaker 3>which is the pedal steel guitar, which you typically hear
<v Speaker 3>in like bluegrass and country music. But he changed it
<v Speaker 3>in such a way that it becomes the string section,
<v Speaker 3>so you've got a really unique sound of those strings
<v Speaker 3>that you can recognize from from the Man.
<v Speaker 4>Of Steel score. And then on those intense scenes, it's
<v Speaker 4>all drums that and for that one we get like
<v Speaker 4>nine different drums, lie twelve of the world's greatest drummers, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>including Sheila e and Jason Bonham.
<v Speaker 3>And so he puts them in a he puts them
<v Speaker 3>in a circle, puts the microphone in the middle of
<v Speaker 3>the circle, and to give the effect of being surrounded
<v Speaker 3>by these intense primal drums.
<v Speaker 4>All right, So final judgment, I'm with Superman. I wanted
<v Speaker 4>too over Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I got to say that after watching these movies again,
<v Speaker 3>I had the same reaction you did. I liked Man
<v Speaker 3>of Steel better than I did at the beginning, and
<v Speaker 3>I loved.
<v Speaker 4>It at the beginning.
<v Speaker 3>I gotta say Man of Steel is a better movie.
<v Speaker 3>It's plot structure is better, the character development is better.
<v Speaker 3>The setting for Smallville, the setting for Krypton, the struggle
<v Speaker 3>that Clark has are all better. And so as much
<v Speaker 3>as it pains me as much of a fan of
<v Speaker 3>the original movies as I am and was, Man of
<v Speaker 3>Steel is a better movie. Now I'll say this, Superman
<v Speaker 3>will always be Christopher Reeve to me, if you say Superman,
<v Speaker 3>that's the first thing that I want to think of.
<v Speaker 3>And he brought something that the character that Henry Cavill did,
<v Speaker 3>and Henry Cavill did a great job, and especially the
<v Speaker 3>moment that he's standing watching his father about to die,
<v Speaker 3>that is an emotionally moving moment for me and a
<v Speaker 3>fantastic performance. I had the same feeling I felt whenever
<v Speaker 3>Superman Christopher Reeve finds Lois dead and cries out.
<v Speaker 4>Both of those were emotionally impactful performances.
<v Speaker 3>But whereas Christopher Reeve will always be Superman in my mind,
<v Speaker 3>I've got to say Man of Steel's better movie.
<v Speaker 4>John, Yeah, all right, I got a little bit of truth.
<v Speaker 5>I almost wanted to pull in Eric Cartman that I
<v Speaker 5>hate you guys so much. Jason, you kind of you
<v Speaker 5>reference or one of you guys referenced early on that
<v Speaker 5>in in my episodes I did where I talked about
<v Speaker 5>like the history of Superman and I did my ranking
<v Speaker 5>of it. I think I said that Superman one was
<v Speaker 5>number one for me, Man of Steel was number two,
<v Speaker 5>and Superman two was number three, and so having rewatched
<v Speaker 5>these movies, having talked it out with you guys here,
<v Speaker 5>having taking copious notes, you know, and scared my family
<v Speaker 5>because they thought I was turning into a serial killer
<v Speaker 5>with like all these composition notebooks full of tiny handwriting.
<v Speaker 5>I think I've come out the other side of this
<v Speaker 5>with James. I think I'm very much on the same.
<v Speaker 2>Page you are.
<v Speaker 5>That nothing will ever replace Superman one and two for me,
<v Speaker 5>I mean, far and above, Christopher Reeve will always I
<v Speaker 5>always look at him and think Superman. Nothing can ever
<v Speaker 5>replace the times that I had, you know, watching these
<v Speaker 5>movies with my dad, with my family, and just the
<v Speaker 5>memories that are attached with those. I love Superman one,
<v Speaker 5>I love Superman two. But that being said, some of
<v Speaker 5>the things that we've said here too, I think that
<v Speaker 5>Man of Steel, and I know that this is a
<v Speaker 5>this is an unpopular opinion because a lot of people
<v Speaker 5>don't like Man of Steel. Man of Steel has always
<v Speaker 5>been my favorite of the more recent DC movies, even
<v Speaker 5>including I think the Batman movies, the Christopher Nolan Batman movies.
<v Speaker 2>I Man of.
<v Speaker 5>Steel is my favorite. I guess you wouldn't even call
<v Speaker 5>those DCEU because that was we weren't there yet. But
<v Speaker 5>it's my favorite DC movie of the last, you know,
<v Speaker 5>probably a couple of decades. And I think for some
<v Speaker 5>of the very similar reasons that it's just I get
<v Speaker 5>more backstory, I get more emotional involvement in the character
<v Speaker 5>of Clark, and the character of Superman, the character of Lois,
<v Speaker 5>the even the character of Zod. I have more of
<v Speaker 5>a emotional, visceral reaction to what's going on in this movie.
<v Speaker 5>I care more about these characters. Not that I didn't
<v Speaker 5>care about them when I was a kid watching the
<v Speaker 5>other ones, but it was very much. Sometimes it's the
<v Speaker 5>difference between Sometimes people that are like Marvel fans of
<v Speaker 5>DC fans will.
<v Speaker 2>Make this distinction.
<v Speaker 5>Marvel will say, well, our stuff is grounded in reality.
<v Speaker 5>We have our characters in Boston and New York and
<v Speaker 5>San Diego, whereas you guys made up towns like Gotham
<v Speaker 5>and Metropolis, and like, we're you know, our characters, we
<v Speaker 5>have a scientific reason why they have powers and and
<v Speaker 5>you know, so there's a difference between like your grounded
<v Speaker 5>explanation for superheroes and more of like your godlike legends.
<v Speaker 5>And I think that Superman and Superman two fall into
<v Speaker 5>that very comic book, eccentric, godlike legend of Superman. And
<v Speaker 5>there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I absolutely love
<v Speaker 5>that about those movies. But I think for someone who
<v Speaker 5>wants to dig into the story and understand why these
<v Speaker 5>characters are doing what they're doing, why does he become
<v Speaker 5>the Superman that we all know and love, Why does
<v Speaker 5>he fall in love with Lois? Who are the parents
<v Speaker 5>that raised him to think this way and to be
<v Speaker 5>this way? Who's the villain that just I mean almost
<v Speaker 5>perfectly matches with what he's struggling with at the time
<v Speaker 5>in this movie and how he has to I mean,
<v Speaker 5>like we said, he is agonized when he kills Zod
<v Speaker 5>at the end, because all he's ever wanted is to belong.
<v Speaker 5>All he's ever wanted is to fit in. He's finally
<v Speaker 5>found his people, and he has had to kill the
<v Speaker 5>last of his other than himself, he's had to kill
<v Speaker 5>the last of his people, so he's had to completely
<v Speaker 5>destroy the one thing that he has wanted his entire
<v Speaker 5>life is just to fit in. And so I think
<v Speaker 5>for those reasons, I kind of I have to go
<v Speaker 5>man of Steel in this case, you know, But it's
<v Speaker 5>really it's really a struggle to say that, because it's
<v Speaker 5>just I love the other Superman movies so much, and
<v Speaker 5>you know, the next time I watch him, it might
<v Speaker 5>be like I might watch Superman again and be like,
<v Speaker 5>oh no, you know what, actually original Superman is number
<v Speaker 5>one again. You know, to me, I get more emotional
<v Speaker 5>involvement in Man of Steel. We get to see him
<v Speaker 5>develop as a kid. We get to see him develop
<v Speaker 5>as a hero. That's one of the things, even as
<v Speaker 5>a kid, one of the things that I didn't I
<v Speaker 5>understood the reason for it, you know, in trying to
<v Speaker 5>fit in like the biblical imagery that you would have
<v Speaker 5>a stretch of time where well, we don't know what
<v Speaker 5>happened to Clark in this stretch of time, you know,
<v Speaker 5>from eighteen to thirty. We don't know, Like he just
<v Speaker 5>disappeared for an amount of time and then he came
<v Speaker 5>back and started his for lack of a better term,
<v Speaker 5>started his ministry of being Superman. And you know, that's fine,
<v Speaker 5>and that's fine for that movie, but I'll take another
<v Speaker 5>line for the Bible. That was fine when I was
<v Speaker 5>a child, and now that I'm older, I put away
<v Speaker 5>a childish things and I want more explanation. I want
<v Speaker 5>more of that story. I want to know my care
<v Speaker 5>and I want to make that connection with them. I
<v Speaker 5>want to see a Lois that my Superman would fall
<v Speaker 5>in love with, that he would look at her and say,
<v Speaker 5>this is the humanity that I'm here to say, I will.
<v Speaker 5>I wanted to before we ended, I did want to
<v Speaker 5>pull these out that I love. This is this is
<v Speaker 5>the part I love about both of these movies. Is
<v Speaker 5>just the kind of ideal that this is trying to
<v Speaker 5>build up. And I love both of these speeches from Joel,
<v Speaker 5>and so I didn't want to, you know, skip being
<v Speaker 5>able to read these or take a look at these.
<v Speaker 5>And in his speech and the Fortress of Solitude, and
<v Speaker 5>he says, you know, live as one of them, Kellel.
<v Speaker 5>Discover where your strength and your power are needed. Always
<v Speaker 5>hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage.
<v Speaker 5>They can be a great people, Kelll, if they wish
<v Speaker 5>to be. They only lack the light to show the way.
<v Speaker 5>For this reason, above all their capacity for good, I
<v Speaker 5>have sent them.
<v Speaker 2>You my only son.
<v Speaker 5>And then I also wrote down the one from Man
<v Speaker 5>of Steel, and I just I love both of these,
<v Speaker 5>you know, Jorel says, you will give the people of
<v Speaker 5>Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you,
<v Speaker 5>they will stumble, they will fall, but in time they
<v Speaker 5>will join you in the sun. Cal in time you
<v Speaker 5>will help them accomplish wonders. And I think that's part
<v Speaker 5>of where I hit that difference is I love the
<v Speaker 5>speech by Marlon Brando Jorel, but I will say I
<v Speaker 5>teared up in the theater when I listen to Russell
<v Speaker 5>Crowe deliver that speech. They will race behind you, they
<v Speaker 5>will stumble, they will fall, but in time they will
<v Speaker 5>join you in the sun. And it actually comes from
<v Speaker 5>a Superman comic where it's a story in which Superman
<v Speaker 5>his life is coming to an end. He's actually going
<v Speaker 5>to send himself into the sun and that's going to
<v Speaker 5>be his final resting place. And so Joel's speech, and
<v Speaker 5>that's actually where a Man of Steel took it from
<v Speaker 5>his speech in that one is your work is done.
<v Speaker 5>You have shown them the face of the man of tomorrow.
<v Speaker 5>You've given them an ideal to aspire to, embodied their
<v Speaker 5>highest aspirations. They will race and stumble and fall and
<v Speaker 5>crawl and curse, and finally they will join you. In
<v Speaker 5>the sun cal el in time, you will no longer
<v Speaker 5>be alone. And I think that that like bringing that
<v Speaker 5>piece into Man of Steel, and just the way that
<v Speaker 5>speech is delivered and what that speech says like it's
<v Speaker 5>it makes me even now, like makes me emotional to
<v Speaker 5>think about that. You know, the father speaking that to
<v Speaker 5>his son, and that's that emotional piece. I get that
<v Speaker 5>emotional piece every time I watch a Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 5>I love Superman one and two, but I don't get
<v Speaker 5>the emotional connection to those. So I think for that reason,
<v Speaker 5>and just because of some of the other things we've
<v Speaker 5>said about how I think there's just more, there's more
<v Speaker 5>meat to Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 2>I got to go Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 4>The speech by Russell Crowe.
<v Speaker 3>They used it for the trailer, and I can remember
<v Speaker 3>really distinctly when the trailers came out for Man of
<v Speaker 3>Steel before the movie came out, because the visual that
<v Speaker 3>you had and both trailers were the same, but in
<v Speaker 3>one you had that speech from Darrell and then the
<v Speaker 3>other one you have an admonishing speech from Jonathan Kent.
<v Speaker 7>You have to decide what kind of man you want
<v Speaker 7>or grew up to be. Whoever that man is good
<v Speaker 7>character or bad it's going to change the world.
<v Speaker 3>I can remember seeing those commercials and it is the
<v Speaker 3>scene from the movie where they're looking at nine year
<v Speaker 3>old Clark Kent and he's playing around in the yard
<v Speaker 3>and he's got a cape on and he you know,
<v Speaker 3>you see him stand up tall, put his chest out,
<v Speaker 3>put his hands on his hips in the.
<v Speaker 4>Iconic Superman pose.
<v Speaker 3>And I remember watching the first time, and I think
<v Speaker 3>my wife was next to me and I said, even Superman.
<v Speaker 4>Wanted to be Superman when he was his boy. And
<v Speaker 4>that's the way it is. I think for all all.
<v Speaker 8>Young men, it's that that ideal to strive for. We
<v Speaker 8>are always striving to be Superman. Okay, well I think
<v Speaker 8>that does it for this episode or all likelihood episodes.
<v Speaker 2>John.
<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate you coming out and being with us
<v Speaker 3>for all of these episodes. It's been great fun to
<v Speaker 3>have you and so inspiring to hear your input on
<v Speaker 3>these great, great stuff.
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