How to DESTROY a Franchise: Mad Max & Matt Barnes on Kings, Bucks & NFL Chaos

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged. Before we get into a little bit of football and basketball this show, I want to start with my hometown team, the Sacramento Kings, who've lost five straight games. According to a reporter close to the team, the team, the team could attempt a full blown fire sale approaching the trade deadline, so Bonus, Levine, derosden Ellis, Malik, Monk, Schroeder all reported available. And I just want to take this opportunity to kind of reflect on what it's been like to be a fan of the Kings for a long time. I mean, you know, rarely do you get a chance to be a fan of a team and play for that team, particularly at being your hometown team. I got a chance to play for Sack for two different stints, and both of them unfortunately just winning starts at the top. And you can tell, you know, particularly in my second stint, just what kind of mess it was from the management side. It wasn't long ago twenty twenty three. I came back around. I was actually getting a chance to do some TV for NBC in the Kings and Light the Beam had tooken the league by storm first time back in the playoffs, and I think it was sixteen years at the time, if I'm not mistaken, lost to the Warriors in Game seven when Steph went crazy, but the city was on fire. There was a lot of hope with Thearon Fox and some Bonus and what they were able to do after that big trade that got sent Haliburton to Indiana and so Bonus to Sacramento. But nearly two seasons later, we look at it and it's an empty shell of the momentum they had kind of built with that roster. Two of the main characters, Dearon Fox is now in San Antonio, the starting point guard for the number two seed in the Western Conference, and then Mike Brown signed a good deal to be the head coach of the Knicks, who are now the third seed in the Eastern Conference. Both had actually signed extensions before they left. This current season, the Kings are twenty ninth in net rating, twenty ninth in offense, and twenty eighth in defense. And the league where teams do everything they can to tank, it seems like that the Kings accidentally tank often. They signed Keegan Murray, someone who was really high on I got to see his rookie year and thought that this guy could be one of the best two way players in the game, and I haven't seen that jump in his game. But nevertheless, last season they signed him to a five year, one hundred and forty million dollars extension and he's shooting a career low twenty seven percent from the free point line. This year. They took some bets, and I love Zach Levine, but Zach Levine's contract was structured so bad that some teams stayed away from they tried that. You gotta keep in mind the Bulls tried to trade him for two or three years, and he just had one of those contracts the teams didn't want to touch. But the Kings took that fifty million per year and brought that in. They have some bonus signed through twenty twenty eight for forty five million a year. Picked up Russ as a free agent on the minimum earlier this season. I know, I guess I speak to the fans when I say this and the people around the team, because I know how passionate, how knowledgeable, and how bad they want something to cheer for. Being around that twenty twenty three run where although it was only the first round, like the whole city was different when the Kings were winning and it gave that small town with not a ton of fun stuff to do, like something to hang their hat on, and people were proudly walking around. I felt good from my hometown. I'm not gonna lie to you during that run, but it's it's just been a tough run overall. Again, that one season they caught lightning in a bottle and gave the fans a lot of hope, but it's before that and since then, it's just been nasty. It's it's, it's it's almost torture to these Kings fans. Do they blow it up? Do they fire management? Like? What do they do? Obviously they have some new people making decisions now that have to make some really big decisions. Let's take a look at what this team's done as far as drafting, and I feel small market teams your ability to draft and make strategic trades are important because, respectfully, Sacramento was not a free agent destination. Guys aren't gonna just say, hey, I want to go to Sacramento. You have to draft well and you have to be able to strategically trade well. But over the last ten more than ten years, I mean, this is dating back to twenty eleven. Twenty eleven, they picked Jimmy Furdett with the tenth pick. The next pick was Klay Thompson, and three picks after that was Kawhi Leonard. Twenty twelve, they picked Thomas Robinson with the fifth pick. The next pick was Damian Lillard. In twenty eighteen, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm bringing this up. Twenty eighteen, they drafted Marvin Bagley number two, the next pick Luca the Don and the two good picks they did make Fox and Halliburton. They end up trading Halliburton for the bonus, and then they end up trading dearon Fox, who both have been All Stars. Halliburton, before getting hurt, had taken his team to the finals. So when they do actually draft good players, they don't keep them. Briefly, Pete della Sandro made a pit stop twenty thirteen to fifteen where he brought in Mike Malone, someone who I remember a former teammate of mine. DeMarcus Cousin absolutely loved and keep in mind too when they had Boogie, and I don't think Boogie gets to love and respect he deserves, but because he was one of the best sinners in the game, most skilled sinners we've ever seen. He has seven coaches in eight seasons. Like, how are you supposed to build? How are you supposed to win with any of that? I hope you guys don't take this as I'm taking a dig at my team. It's or excuse me, my hometown team. It's just more for the fans. You know a lot of the fans. I you know, I've been there since I was eight or nine years old, so again, I know how passionate they are, how much the Kings mean to them, and how much they deserve a good team. So it'll be interesting to see what management can do. Nobody is untouchable. My god, Doug Christy has has been trying to work with what he can work with. It's going to be really interesting to see what the Kings do with some new decision makers that are in the in the front office up there. But I wish them the best. I will you know. I'm praying for you fans that you know, within the next two or three years that this management can give you guys something to cheer and smile about again. But without further ado, let me welcome my friends. Someone who actually plays Max. I didn't know you had to breech Stinton Sun. Yeah, but welcome to the show, Mad Max. Max. I just want to I don't know where I was. I was somewhere and two ladies and a guy came up to me and told me how much they love old Max. We love when you guys have Max on. He's so funny, one of us. He's so hands like Max. They still loving Max out there. Man, what is Max?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, God damn, I don't know what the fuck it is.

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Speaker 1: Max, crazy Max.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, man, but one thing, Man, everywhere I go, well, I'm telling this because of this show.

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Speaker 2: Right here, all the smoke. Man, I can't go nowhere. Why I ain't been nowhere last fo five days? I can't go nowhere.

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Speaker 1: If you think about it, it was literally it was really like I mean it was. We're two weeks away from a year ago. This ship happened at all Start in the bank. Yeah. I think we talked about this last time, but in that year Max is back. I love to see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: Man, no doubt, Mat, no doubt. So you got a chance to play in Sack. You kind of heard my opening about the Kings. You were there with j Will and Vlodi and Web. What was that team like? That was? Man? That was right before they really made that jump and started contending in the Western Conference.

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Speaker 2: We had a great year that year, Web.

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Speaker 1: What year was it?

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Speaker 2: Ninety nine?

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Speaker 1: I think Okay, I'm not I mean I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we had a great year that year. Web White Chocolate was a rookie. We had some good players on the team, man, but they brought me off the bench and me and John we had a good situation over there.

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Speaker 1: And was that John Barry with you? John Barry with me? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: We made it to we made it to the first round and we got to ask whooped by?

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Speaker 2: Utah may beat us? But but but to for the city?

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Speaker 3: Like you said, Man, the city is it ain't ship out there to do like you said, goddamn, I mean that's all they got. The home they had is fucking that's their Sacramento Kings. Man, they gotta do better. But they got to blow that ship up.

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Speaker 2: This they gonna they.

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Speaker 1: Gotta blow it up.

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Speaker 3: They gotta blow this ship up because you know what, it starts from the mother fucking the top.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: When you get motherfuckers up at the top, don't know what the fuck they do it, then that's what you get this ship. What you seeing right now?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I still got to go around there. Yeah, I know I'm true.

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Speaker 2: Just speaking, man, I'm just speaking to you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak.

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Speaker 2: I speak for you there, goddamn it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so but now, but now they gotta it starts at the top. And once you got that bad ship at the top, man, you're gonna get this bad ship at the bottom down there with the kids are playing ball, trying to do what they really want to do and have a good livelihood. But man, but you got to blow that ship up. Man, they gotta they got a lot of value now they can, they can. I mean, just just just tank the fucking season. The season's over, Okay, get rid of them guys that y'all can trade and get up for.

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Speaker 2: Get them draft picks. Man, get you got.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go back on almost the okay, see route, you know where. You gotta get get rid of what you got, and it's gonna get uglier before it gets better. But play for the future. But they got real quick before great fan bets.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean we got to get to them something to.

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Speaker 1: Clap about, to knock them cow bells around. For what was a young j Will like? And what was people forgot because you played with Web before he got had any knee issues too, Like how tough with se Web and how cold was a young j Will ship?

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Speaker 2: Sea Web?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: He was. He's one of the best.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I mean you got I got a large one.

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Speaker 2: I got Iverson, I got Sea Web. That's what I got.

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Speaker 3: Man, the best players I ever played with in the NBA. Man, I'm telling you, man, s Web was. I mean he oh my goodness, man, he was unstoppable that year. Man, I mean, motherfucker. I mean I mean double double, triple double. I mean he did it all man for us. He made our team go now and that was my guy. But the funny story about sea Web too, So see where this motherfucker he goes out and buy you know how you you rich motherfuckers like to go out and get their big ass houses all outside.

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Speaker 2: In the suburbs and shit.

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Speaker 3: So he go out and get a big ass house over there in the suburbs. I'm living right over there across the street. I'm looking at the motherfucker you know Field, I'm looking. I'm in one of them damn condos across the street.

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Speaker 2: I'm living right.

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Speaker 1: Over where was where was living differently out there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was living there. He living too extravagance. I told him, you ain't have to do all that. You don't do all that. So I'm living right across the street. So bocal Storia. The motherfucker ended up living with me. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like he couldn't because you gotta understand. We was up doing our thing at night.

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Speaker 1: As you should be.

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Speaker 2: And then the next day you think this nigga want to drive way.

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Speaker 1: Forty five forty five minutes the backside of Rose way back.

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Speaker 3: Oh get he was at my crib every night. I had my peoples whipping it up for us. My people was making the dinner for us and Ship, and I was sitting there doing what we do, bacon bacon and eating and talking Ship.

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Speaker 1: And playing video games.

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Speaker 2: I don't play the game, jay, will you, you know, just having fun.

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Speaker 1: I used to webs where wanted to fuck me up? When I was because I played Where was my big homie? So I used to every summer from U C l A, I'll go home and fucking Webb and j Will and miking them. But I used to whoop Webbs ass and Madden, and looking back on that as an older I was an asshole because I would talk so much ship, Oh my god, and we was playing big money. I was beating the breaks of that.

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Speaker 3: Your motherfucking assay changed. Still, that's all you motherfucking that to you talking about Man, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I want it because I love you.

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Speaker 1: I love you.

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Speaker 2: I love you too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean to your point, you know, we just hope that they can get it together and put it together at the trade deadline coming up February fifth.

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Speaker 2: Out of there, Sacramento, get them guys out of there and get.

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Speaker 1: Some guy Max speaking of starting over and kind of building a team from scratch, which we feel Sacramento should. Okay, see, is it time for them too? And and and again, not to jump to conclusions, but a lot of young assets, a lot of guys that are they're not going to be able to keep at some point. Do you see them putting some young pieces and some some picks together, uh, and going out and making any kind of surprising deal before the deadline.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they got a lot of ass.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I get rid of some of them motherfuckers, you know what I mean, because I mean, I mean to tell you the truth, no, just to be honest and true with you, man, Because they got some players that a lot I mean that can can go and help other teams. And I mean, so I mean, so you gotta you gotta get rid of them guys and then better your team, because I don't think I mean they okay, ain't been playing the same way that this year they I mean, and I get it.

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Speaker 1: I just think they came back down to earth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that championship ship and all these everybody in your ear and ship talking that ship, because that's what happened to us, you know that that coming back to second year too, when we won that, we was like.

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Speaker 2: It was like a sixth seed of top type ship like that.

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Speaker 3: So but yeah, man, they got to just continue to like I think, they got to get rid of some of them motherfuckers, like I mean, I mean to make them better. I mean that they put some more life back in these motherfuckers.

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Speaker 1: Well to this upcoming draft, they have the Clippers unprotected pick, which the Clippers are fucking up because they're playing well right now. The Utah Jazz top eight protected pick in the Houston Rockets top four protected picks, so they could possibly have two top ten picks. Oh no, not the Rockets aren't going to be that low, but one top ten pick in the next draft. Twenty twenty seven, they got a pick swap with the Clippers, a Nuggets top five protected pick, also a top five protected in twenty eight and twenty nine, the Spurs top sixteen protected pick, which converts into two twenty twenty seven second rounds if it doesn't convey, So they got stuff to play with. Twenty twenty eight, you got first round picks and a pick swap with the Mavericks and the second round picks from the Bucks in Jazz, so they have a ton of just draft capital. There are some big names that are rumored to be in the win, whether that's John Morant, uh Jannis zion, cat A, d Embiid Kawhi. I don't see Kawhi.

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Speaker 2: Going anything anywhere either.

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Speaker 3: But all the mother motherfuckers, all the mother motherfuckers, they need to go somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Every fresh starts. Did you get a chance to see Did you get a chance to see Zion go at Wimby the other night.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh boy, oh boy, yeah, oh boy, yeah, he was.

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Speaker 1: If he can ever get that back, If he can ever, I wouldn't get his mind right. His mind right. He shows you flashes of why you can't give up on him.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna put his hands fray next.

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Speaker 1: Week, dream you stupid. He's such an extreme talent.

00:16:47
Speaker 2: Fucking pull his hands fraying next week. They're gonna be out for fucking six weeks. So what are we talking?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: Zion ain't gonna do nothing, man, He's just I mean, I'm I was happy for him when he did that man the other night.

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Speaker 1: Man, But Zion might be taking down too much. He might have to. He might have to keep his keep his meeting his pay.

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Speaker 2: Keep them Johnson, Yeah, keep that Johnson.

00:17:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, we keep hearing all they say that boy, that boy is wild.

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Speaker 2: Like that Johnson, like that Johnson.

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Speaker 1: As he should for a young fella. Man. We got we gotta see bro in the court because when you watch and I didn't get a chance to see the whole game. I only saw the second half, Like when you get a chance to see in his element.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he is one of the best. I mean, but he's gonna be hurt next week though.

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Speaker 1: Stupid at A Joe, Jannis Zion, cat A D. We both agree that Embiid and Kawhi probably aren't going anywhere. Who would you like to see moved? Obviously, we've talked a lot about job possibly moving Jannis cat A d Zion and that the fresh Start.

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Speaker 2: It's two motherfuckers.

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Speaker 3: First of all, let's get Giannis out that motherfucker man. Man, that's some bullshit they putting that kid through. Man, that's all all the ship that man done did for that goddamn little bullshit ass motherfucker city Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: I can't stand you, motherfuckers. I'm mad. I don't like Milwaukee no more, neither motherfuck Milwaukeer.

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Speaker 3: I ain't never did nothing up there but go on the backside of eat that soul food, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Motherfuckers, y'all know that soul good restaurant on the backside of I can't remember that. I don't remember.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to remember that, mother because I don't want to get no.

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Speaker 2: But but fuck that.

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Speaker 3: What they doing Giannie is fucked up. Though I don't like it. It's disrespectful you. I mean because Joannis donet give y'all all they can give y'all. It's time for John to get the fuck out of there.

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Speaker 2: Man, he's just got a nigga. Sign that motherfucker's ship and say, niggas trade me.

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Speaker 4: You can trade me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you gotta all saying you can't trade nigga. You better sign that motherfucker. Get the hell out of the boy. You look bad after you look like ship. Get the fuck out of there and get my nigga job.

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Speaker 3: Get job out of the motherfucking god damn Memphis, cause John.

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Speaker 2: Don't even want to play. Job went over the goddamn I don't know what it.

00:19:12
Speaker 3: Was in China, Hong Kong, uh, one of them down, one of them that was okay, Germany.

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Speaker 2: He was over to Germany.

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Speaker 1: My goddamn, I.

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Speaker 5: Get more love over here and made me want to come out hand play and job played like we know how job plays, you know, And then and I mean, come on, man, if that takes what man, get job out of Memphis.

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Speaker 3: Man, that man saying clearly he wants to fuck out, get my nigga out of and and t get tea out of there.

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Speaker 2: Job, get him out of there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they both need a fresh start. Giannis is out four to six weeks with the right calf injury. Doc Rivers said, there's no timetable for a return. You know what scares me about this right here? Max? This is his fourth calf injury and less than two years. But hold on, man, Both calves have been injured. But we know knock on wood calves lead to other things these days. I don't even want to say it, but that that that concerns me. And I'm not sure what it is. Is that wearing tearror? Is it not?

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Speaker 2: But Matt did the motherfucker look like something happened. But I know a calf.

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Speaker 3: Injury can be like what they know, and he had him before and I went to that motherfucker too. But the man came in the interview at the end of the game.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear what he said? He said, I'd probably be back in March somewhere, Back in March somewhere, I said, March. This motherfucker said March. I said, well, god damn, he.

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Speaker 3: Said he's gonna be probably It'll probably be back March when I come.

00:20:44
Speaker 2: That's clearly what he said.

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Speaker 3: I heard the interview, So deal at my wrong am I right and saying what the fuck I said? Because I know, I know, I know I heard that. So but that's crazy. So that man won't fuck out of it. Man, get that man, Man sign that motherfucker thing. Say nope, no clause trade shit. Man, Get the fuck out of there, man, and get yourself back to playing the way you played.

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Speaker 1: Bro Bucks are currently eleventh in the East at eighteen and twenty four. If Jannis comes back in four to six weeks, it will be March. But if you're thinking strategy, maybe they shut him down and have a shot at this heavy, heavy draft that's coming up and able to pair and get something for obviously Jannis, but there's a lot of young talent coming in this draft with aj and Darren Peterson and Cam Boozer and the boy from North Carolina Max. If Jannie is up and out of here, where would you like to see him land? The word is it's possibly New York or California is where Jannis possibly can land.

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Speaker 2: Probably the one of those markets, like that big city market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said New Yorker, one of those l A teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I figured that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's what What about Janni's pairing up with Steph for one last run for Steph.

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Speaker 3: Ship, John, I wouldn't do that ship.

00:22:20
Speaker 1: Where are you going? Where you're going if you're honest. I mean, let's say let's say that Golden State and the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna stay with the nick I'm gonna stay with the Knicks. They gotta they gotta good towns out of that motherfucker. He got to go. They gotta good out of it.

00:22:37
Speaker 1: That's a good replacement. They would love, they would love he brought some and Janni's brought some property out there with two summers ago or last, the Knicks would be a good Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think he's gotta be a three team like trade type ship. So make that happen, though, But I think that would be great man. Put car Towns ass over there to walk.

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Speaker 1: The one guy I think that needs a fresh start I think is Zion. I think Zion could use a fresh start and kind of get out of hit the old ways that have kind of hindered him up to this point of his career. I mean, obviously, this guy is tremendously talented. Injuries have played a role just that organization as a whole. I know there's some good people over there, but that haven't won in a long time. Off the court, stuff has been loud for Zion, but he showed the other night again when he is playing the game he loves and playing the way he's capable, he's one of the best players in the world. So I don't know where a Zion will go, possibly a Chicago, but I know there's a ton of teams that would line up if they knew that they got that player that they saw play the other night against wembyor Sanders. Max was added to the Pole Bowl to replace Drake May since Drake will be playing in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Max thoughts congratulations to my young brothers.

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Speaker 1: Man.

00:24:02
Speaker 2: I'm happy for him. Man. Maybe not.

00:24:08
Speaker 3: Deserved it, but I mean, I mean, I appreciate the homage that they showed a young fella though, because I.

00:24:14
Speaker 2: Mean he did come in.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how many games did he play though, I mean, goddamn, how many.

00:24:19
Speaker 2: Gags did he played?

00:24:19
Speaker 1: Seven or eight? Seven games? Seven, three and four, yeah, three and four, two and eight when he didn't play.

00:24:26
Speaker 2: So, I mean, so come on.

00:24:28
Speaker 3: So, But I mean, I mean, I'm happy for him, and I mean I love the Sander's family.

00:24:35
Speaker 2: I mean shit, but I mean I'm happy. I mean it's a blessing for him, you.

00:24:39
Speaker 1: Know, just to you know why, I'm happy for him from a standpoint of the way Stefanski try to dig this ship. But also the NFL knows that schadors must watch TV. Yeah, the numbers are crazy. I was hurrying home from church. I'd go to the nine am session, study eleven am session to watch Cleveland brown game. Who's ever said that? Who's ever said that? And I remember then, back when they had Bernie Kozar and they make it like no one has ever said that they're going to hurry home to watch the Browns game. So I love the NOD. Obviously a tough first year for him, but the NFL is not domb. They know that having him in the game is going to bring some more eyeballs to their Pro Bowl. Max, thank you for your time. Hold the funk up stress them arms out, cam, hold the camera. It's time for Max to shot.

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Speaker 2: Hold the fuck up stress my oms.

00:25:36
Speaker 1: Yeah there you go. Yeah are you gonna are you gonna start with the sit up?

00:25:41
Speaker 2: So?

00:25:43
Speaker 1: Okay with so make sure you got that cam. You got some hold up?

00:25:48
Speaker 3: Hey, Max Max Max bet is the bat.

00:25:51
Speaker 2: I know I got you. I got you. Hold up, Okay, I'm gonna do it all.

00:25:56
Speaker 1: Hold up, here comes the bullshit. But go ahead, I'm listening.

00:25:59
Speaker 3: Can old sixty old nigga just do twenty five cushes and twenty five cushes.

00:26:06
Speaker 1: You can do twenty five cush ups and twenty five sit ups and then give.

00:26:11
Speaker 3: Me ten do fifty setups and twenty five.

00:26:16
Speaker 2: What you want me to do?

00:26:18
Speaker 1: Max? That's too that's too easy, man.

00:26:19
Speaker 2: What you want?

00:26:19
Speaker 1: Max? That's too easy? You want to You're sixty sixty and I know your body's been through a lot. So I'm gonna give you this woman, give you that. Take it a let's go, I take it. I take twenty cush ups, twenty sit ups, and then twenty cush ups and twenty set ups. When you get to l A and I'm cutting ten off of both.

00:26:37
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it, doing it.

00:26:38
Speaker 1: Let's go. Yeah, you and what is said, and keep it and you and and you keep fifty. I just want to cush ups and sit up.

00:26:47
Speaker 2: They're gonna give my money back?

00:26:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dog, Yeah for that ship. Yeah, this ship.

00:26:59
Speaker 2: Never give myself. Yeah, I'm finna get ready to do it thing. I gotta do it.

00:27:03
Speaker 1: There we go.

00:27:03
Speaker 6: I'm finna do it one two.

00:27:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you could have easily did fifty. Max. You've been bullshit with I told you, yeah, you ain't shape Max after funk, I'm talking about Max. Moving on to some football. The super Bowl is set. It's gonna be in the Bay, but my team won't be in it. But we have another NFC representative. We got the Seahawks taking on the Patriots. And to help me discuss this, I got my man, Jake the Snake Plumber and his partner Nate Jackson. First of all, fellas, congratulations on the pod House. How's pod life treating you guys? Not bad?

00:27:46
Speaker 4: It's been fun.

00:27:47
Speaker 1: You know.

00:27:47
Speaker 4: With the Broncos, it was a great year. They were winning, so you know, everything's good when you're winning.

00:27:52
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we're trying to be like you guys. Man.

00:27:54
Speaker 6: I mean, you know there's conversations that people want to hear, right that you don't get on ESPN, that you don't get Sports Center that we can have and and you know articulate some of the things that guys go through.

00:28:04
Speaker 1: So, uh, you guys leading the way man, Man I appreciate that, and yeah, best of luck with that. Let's get thoughts. Let's let's talk about this game a little bit. What did you see that stood out and anyone could take it in the NFC and the AFC title games, players defenses? What stood out to you guys? Yeah?

00:28:22
Speaker 6: So for me, I mean, uh that that game here in Denver was crazy. Whether the Broncos had an opportunity to win that game. The New England Patriots had a pretty easy schedule all year long. You know, they were able to kind of I wouldn't say skate on into where they are, but they came into Denver the number two seed, and you know, they didn't play that awesome in the game, to be honest, like they're they're front seven on defense, kind of manhandled the Broncos offensive line. But there were plays to be made out there, and the Broncos just couldn't figure out how to make them. The Broncos had like a lot of good luck all season long, won a bunch of fourth quarter comeback victories, a ton of magic, and then bow Knicks gets hurt and then the backups in Jared Stidham and they just couldn't really rally around him offensively. The weather rolled in, the snow got kind of crazy down there, and the New England Patriots just didn't make the mistakes right that the Broncos made. At the end of the game, we were able to walk away with a win. I think it's gonna be hard for them, though, face it off against Seattle. You mentioned it, like the NFC West is crazy and Seattle looks like untouchable right now. The Rams game of good shot though, didn't they But the Seahawks are just scary. Their defense is scary. Sam Donald's playing good. They got some crazy weapons on offense. But but yeah, I don't know if that Super Bowl is gonna be very close personally.

00:29:32
Speaker 1: Jake as a quarterback and someone who kind of has to navigate all types of climates and whatever's thrown ass, you have to navigate that. Those are two cold weather games, particularly the Denver game. How does your game plan change, particularly for a younger quarterback like a Drake May when those kind of that kind of weather is the main state within the game.

00:29:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you saw the Patriots go to the run in the second half. They actually had a pretty effective run game. It kept them in decent third down situations a few times, allowing you know, the one game clincher that Drake made some big plays with his legs, especially late that last one as a quarterback. Though the weather, I mean, we're both dealing with it on both sides of the field. I played in really only really one downpour of snow, and I was worried, thinking, oh no, it's gonna be snowy and horrible. But it was actually dry, the ball didn't get wet as opposed to the rain, and we had fun. It was a Raiders game. We lost that game, but it was so much fun playing in the snow. This game, with the snow and the wind, it definitely dictated what they were doing offensively and with the With the Broncos, their run game this year really was bo Nicks. They didn't have a real consistent ground game where they could impose their will and just move the opposing defense, get three, four, five yards and stay on schedule. A lot of their rushing and running game came from Bow's legs and when he's gone, Stidham no offense to him. He just wasn't Bow as far as athletically and not able to go get those real crucial yards even though he had a pretty big scramble late before they missed that field goal. But we saw, you know, what Drake May did was was really he didn't look great like an MVP to me, even throwing the ball, but what he did with his legs and stepping up at the right time was huge for his team because limits what you can do. When the weather gets that bad. You want to throw the ball deep and you say, let's do it, but see what happens the ball is underthrown. Guys aren't ready for it. It just changes everything and I think you can get you can over coach too much when the weather changes, instead of just going back to what you do well and just saying this is basic stuff. Let's just do this. But that's usually a run game, and the Broncos, you know, we didn't really do that all year, so it was hard for them to find that in this moment when they needed it the most.

00:31:47
Speaker 6: Also, also with a snow, like you're running routes, if you're a receiver a tight end, that snow kind of packs into your cleats there and you don't have the same kind of traction that you normally would. So you see every time there's a TV timeout when it's stowing like that. They were running on with the little scraper things and all the guys were running up to the things of scraping their feet on it, just trying to get the snow off because you don't really realize you're trying to run a sharp cut and you got snow all packed into your cleats. You're gonna slide on that thing, so the cuts aren't as sharp. There's not as much separation from DB's on your route, so you got to go get that thing. You got to body him up, and you got to go get a rebound, and the guy and the guys weren't really able to kind of pull down those throws in those conditions.

00:32:22
Speaker 1: I definitely got to say obviously, losing your quarterback going into a championship game is never easy. And I became a bow not that I wasn't a fan. I just didn't know if how he played in college would translate, but he was special this year. I didn't get a chance to see a ton of Denver games, but whenever I see the highlights and did tune into a few games, you know, obviously always room to grow, but just very impressive the way he's able to control that offense, so man, I wish him a speedy recovery. We're here, Pats Seahawks. Who were you guys looking to stand out, whether it be offense or defense, And let me get your guys' predictions.

00:32:56
Speaker 4: Man, I'm going, like Nate alluded to it earlier, from what I saw when the weather was good, I don't think there's gonna be much of a chance to beat the Seahawks right now. They're they're rolling on offense, Clint Kubiak, who's just a kid, Gary Kubiak's son. They're running a pretty diverse offense with Darnold is feeling comfortable going through progressions and and and when he throws the ball, even if it's not accurate, those guys on that his playmakers are coming down with it. Those the weapons he has on that offense. Uh, there's five or six dudes that want the ball and not just want it, but what they do afterwards is really what's special about that that unit. And I don't think, you know, with Seattle's strengthen their defense, I think they're gonna get after Drake. I don't think this is gonna be a close Super Bowl. I think Seahawks role on these guys, and uh, you know, I've got extra momentum motivation too. I've played against Rabel in Ohio State when they beat us in the Rose Bowl. Had a little altercation with him in in an All Star Shrine game where where he tried to kind of tried to hurt me in a game like that, And I have an opinion of him that I won't go too in depth, but mind seeing them get their asses kicked tones, Yeah.

00:34:05
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

00:34:07
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got to give some props to New England for getting in this position. Obviously, they're a good football team to be able to make it to the Super Bowl, but I don't think they're going to be able to handle Seattle. I mean the defense I saw from the New England Patriots a couple of days ago here, granted it was in the snowstorm, and uh, but the Broncos that that that offense is not going to put up enough points in the Super Bowl to match what the Seattle offense is going to do to that defense. There was a lot of room on the field against that Patriots defense that the Broncos weren't able to take advantage of. Partly because of the conditions, but partly because their personnel and Seattle doesn't have that problem. It's not gonna be weather, you know, in the Bay, It's probably gonna be fine, could be rained, but it ain't gonna be snowy and cold like that. But the skill position players, the guys they have to go make plays, and also the running game they have they commit to the running game, and so the play action pass just opens up. And so that's what you see all this room and Sam Donald being able to stand back there and dial because the running game is so effective that the defense is ready for that, and all of a sudden, No, nope, it's a pass. They're out of position and guys are getting beat. So you guys gonna you see guys running free. I think Seattle is just, you.

00:35:08
Speaker 1: Know, too tough. They had it.

00:35:10
Speaker 6: They beat the Niners. Is the Niners your team? Matt, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I was we were playing. We were playing with house money though, we were were Yeah you playing with house money. Yeah, you're right, But I'm sure you had hope going into that game, and I did too. Hey, maybe they can get it done. They got the mojo, they got the magic not forty one to six.

00:35:29
Speaker 1: It was ugly, right, and then the Rancourt. We scored more points this game though, than we did the game before against them.

00:35:36
Speaker 4: Right.

00:35:37
Speaker 6: It just shows you how good that defense is to be able to stifle a Kyle Shanahan offense like that. Right, and the Rams, who were the kind of the front runners all season, couldn't get it done either. I think Seattle's gonna gonna run away with this thing.

00:35:48
Speaker 1: Probably.

00:35:48
Speaker 6: I would say thirty four seventeen something like that.

00:35:51
Speaker 1: Jake, tell me what you liked about kind of Sam Darnell coming into his own someone who's bounced around a little bit. Uh, see, guys, so I got a chance to see him in college. But he's had a hell of a season. What if you liked about the step he's made this season?

00:36:07
Speaker 4: I just love that. I mean, he's he's been through it, you know, so there's nothing that is gonna get him down. He's been through tons of adversity, he's been on multiple teams. When you get to to run the offense that I'm watching them run at Seattle, it's very reminiscent of what we did here with with Gary Kubiak as the offensive coordinator, when I came in here for three years, man, we were a machine. In that third year, we were damn near unstoppable. We could do whatever we wanted, running it, play action, deep balls, quick throws. That West Coast offense was amazing. So his son, Clinton has definitely evolved and kept some of that along with his own creativity, and he's putting Sam in position to do with. Sam does well. And Sam's a very good thrower and in fact, sometimes it reminds me of myself because there's no play he doesn't think he can make, you know, And even in the game against the LA he put a couple of balls into some double coverage when he probably, oh, don't throw that, But that's just him wanting to plays doing his thing. When you have the weapons like he has around it, it's it's it's absolutely paramount that he is fearless because you count on those guys out there to make your fifty to fifty ball become, you know, an eighty twenty ball or a ninety ten ball, like, Okay, I trust my guys. I'm gonna put it out there because they want it just as bad as everybody else. And really really nice to see him have success I loved him in college. I think he's definitely settled into a great pocket passer. And don't don't forget his mobility, man, Like he can move ye yep, going on the run, getting out of the pocket like that's that's that one more aspect that this big stage like the super Bowl, you know, watch out. He could have some really huge plays with his legs too.

00:37:45
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Sam Darnold twenty eight and six over the last two seasons. That's the most win by any quarterback. Wow. Yeah, it shows you, man.

00:37:54
Speaker 6: Like a lot of times, these quarterbacks they get drafted real high, they have a couple of tough years.

00:37:58
Speaker 1: They get written off.

00:37:59
Speaker 6: You know, people are like, ah, these guys, they're never going to be any good. They get moved. Well, Sam Donold's been resilient. It just shows you what kind of guy he is. Right, He's been through the adversity, He's been written off, He's bounced around to multiple teams. He did get to spend a year under coach Shanahan right with the Niners and kind of understand how to process things and set things up and move guys with your eyes and be patient and learn how to read defenses like Jake knows a lot better than I do about that. But but yeah, man, I mean and as a you know, as a guy on that team, you see a leader like that who's been through it, who's who's who's you know, walked through the fire, who's faced adversity and is now standing there in front of you guys dealing like that.

00:38:37
Speaker 1: It's inspiring for everyone.

00:38:38
Speaker 6: It doesn't always have to start off perfect in your career, but you stick with it, and especially for quarterback, there's so many compartments you got to master to be good at the position.

00:38:47
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, I mean Bo has like had two years of amazing you know, so this is adversity for him to be injured, you know, like this is his first real like oh my goodness. But but you alluded to it. It's like his team loves him and QB number one. You got to be a guy with your guys. You got to be right in the midst of it and still be that man that's number two in the organization, but be able to sit and relate to the whole team. And that's what Sam's doing and that's what Bo's done, and the good ones do it well.

00:39:18
Speaker 6: I ard Tom Brady talking about this He's like, yeah, you know, like your offensive lineman.

00:39:22
Speaker 1: You know they're driving trucks and stuff. You gotta drive a truck.

00:39:25
Speaker 6: You know, you can't come in and driving Lamborghini. You gotta be like those guys. You gotta eat what those guys eat. You gotta be one of the dudes. Even though you're not getting paid like one of the dudes. You got to be one of the dudes. And I think if you do that, you adopt that, it actually pays dividends.

00:39:39
Speaker 1: Jake, another big story, whether it be story conspiracy. Obviously the Niners were hit with the injury bug this season, and a lot of conspiracies going around, whether it's the training staff, the strength coaches, or the electrical substation next to the practice field and the stadium. Obviously, you're a huge health and wellness guy and mind, body and spirit or something. You definitely embody. What is your take on why we keep dropping like flies over there in Santa Clara?

00:40:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, man, it's got injuries. I just was thinking it was football because it's a physical sport and guys, you know you're getting hit, You're getting you know, piles of seven eight nine huge dudes landing on each other, and most of the time everybody jumps up and runs off. And you know, we watch the game usually behind you know, on our couch and a TV, or when you're at the game in the stands, But when you get down on the field, if you ever have the chance to stand on a kick return and watch twenty two dudes, just or twenty one, because a kicker doesn't really go down there, but come running towards each other and just and then they all jump up and run off. It's amazing. Guys aren't hurt more often.

00:40:50
Speaker 1: You know.

00:40:50
Speaker 4: And so yeah, the injury bug is uh, it sucks, man, it really is hard. But but good teams find ways to to, you know, replace those guys. I mean, the Broncos did it all year. They had their number one player in defense, Sir Tan, go out for four weeks and they had a guy come in, Abrams Drain that came in and played really well. They had multiple positions where guys got hurt. And that's great coaching. That's having guys prepared, that's having the right kind of guys that are fine to sit the bench to wait for their opportunity. But why is there so many injuries. You know, I don't know. I mean they they got to look at that. They got to understand, like they've made the changes for these guys to succeed and be as healthy as possible. It wasn't like when we reported to camp and had two a days and had to run conditioning tests and now all of a sudden, you got guys with tight hammies pulling hammies and for what to prove you prepared during the offseason. They've changed this completely. They they're so focused on rest and recovery and performance that the injury bug is I mean a kid go back, could go back to just some bad mojo hanging around the organization, Like talk to like the previous owners. What kind of karma do they have hanging out? Because I believe in that, you know, I believe that, you know, certain organizations that don't win consistently or they have stuff like this pop up could be something they're not doing right. You know, there's something that they've done wrong in the past.

00:42:12
Speaker 1: So what you're saying the Niners have bad mojo, bro, they've been really the football guys aren't messing with us.

00:42:19
Speaker 4: They could be or it could just be you know, guys not taking care of business, you know, or it could be the superstars.

00:42:26
Speaker 6: There's also some really important players on the team, Fred Warner and a soft tissue and you know, I read the same thing you did about the electromagnetic waves and how it degrades soft tissue into you know, ligaments, muscles and things in your And it is right across the street from where they practice every day. But there's also like how do you practice, how fast do you practice? What's your like routine through throughout the week. Is it better to rest or is it better to go hard because then you prepare yourself to go hard in the game, or is it you know, So it's a delicate balance in these new athletes, Like they have a lot they put like trackers and censers on them and they can see how fast they're running during practice and how much they're running, and if it's too much, they pull them out. And so they're tracking everything. These guys are doing their hydration levels. They got like these sweat bands on it practice a training camp, and after your practice, they take the sweat band off and they give it to the trainers and they measure all these sweat things in the bands and stuff like that. So it's very advanced how they're trying to keep these guys healthy. But then some teams just get hit with a bug and some teams don't. And I think, you know you have there has to be a symbiosis between the head coach and the training staff and the strength and coach coaches, and so they're all on the same page. Sometimes when a coach has been there for a while and he brings in a new trainer or whatever, that can upset the balance a little bit. That's happened here in Denver. Sean Payton has been head coach of the Broncos, has been really good about keeping guys healthy. And so they have a trainer here, guy named Bo Lowry, who people love.

00:43:46
Speaker 1: And you know, what are their methods.

00:43:48
Speaker 6: I mean there's new there's new age methods that we don't know what they're using, you know, So some guys are getting stuck with needles to help out. There's some drugs that are on the market off the market that people take, PEP, Time's Recovery, HGA, all these cryout therapies, chambers, red lasers, all this stuff. What works and what doesn't? Do you do too much of it and then you make yourself more susceptible. It's hard to tell, but the Niners really got crushed.

00:44:10
Speaker 4: Man and Bo Bo scrambled his ass off this year and he runs one run to the left, gets tackled, ankles broken. Shit happens on the field. I've had parents and mothers. How can I make sure my son doesn't get hurt or he's safe on the field. I'm like, but don't play football. Don't let him play. You're gonna get hurt. Be ready for your kid to come back with a severe, serious injury at some point in his life. If he's playing football. It's a rough ass sport, big ass grown men hitting each other, and you're bound to have injuries, and it sucks when it happens. It really can can demoralize a team. But for them to go as far as they did with all those injuries, it's a It's a definite coaching staff is a good coaching staff. There so good things in the future happening.

00:44:51
Speaker 1: Obviously, we don't have a ton of time to get in down this rabbit hole. But I think, Nate, everything you touched on as far as just like the all the goods it's in gadgets they have to read sweat and fatigue and all this kind of stuff. I almost I would love to just be around because I think, obviously we're all coming from an older school where we just killed ourselves in the preseason and then the season was the prize. I think sometimes there's so much technology that these guys possibly aren't training us. I don't blame it on them, because they're following the technology that the teams have them on, but in the offseason are they kind of taking it a little too easy? For when Because this happens to basketball too, so when the season comes, like because basketball has had a ton of Achilles injuries and acls, and obviously I think this newer generation of athlete is getting hurt a lot more. I mean, you can always pretty much count on back in the day watching basketball that our stars were going to be there during the playoffs and finals in the NFL, the stars were there for the Super Bowl or the conference finals in the in the Super Bowl, but it really seems like now you really have to keep your fingers crossing to your point, Jakes sports, you're gonna get hurt. But I just wonder is there any science behind how hard they're pushing their self in the off season compared to when that that that the real season comes. Maybe their body isn't ready for the wear and tear because they're training a little differently in the off seasons.

00:46:12
Speaker 6: I think there's an art to that as a coach, to figure out how far to push and then pull back. You got your scientists pet telling you, you know, maybe this guy should pull back, but you see that he actually needs to keep going because he needs to work on this or work on that. I think also like the young, like when you're a kid, now you get private coaching. They're coaching your technique. You're becoming a robot, right, You're becoming as fast as technically proficient. But it's not your natural body lean like. It's taking the personality out of your own movement and teaching you how to do it in an optimized way. But it puts your body in compromising positions, you know what I mean. So so all of a sudden, yeah I'm faster, Yeah I'm getting it out of my breaks faster, but I'm also putting more stress on my joints than I ever did before when I didn't know how to run like that. You know what I mean, so I think there's the technique can put you in danger when you improve it. I mean, I went from wide receiver to tight end. I had to put on some weight to do it, and it was a challenge, man, learning how to block these three hundred pounds dues. I was telling you about Willie mcguinnis earlier. I had to try to block that guy like I was not. I was a wide receiver in in high school and college. I can't block with Hi mcguinnis. The only way I can do it is if I learned these techniques and learn how to shape my body in a way that's gonna do it. But my body don't want to go that way, you know. And so and so there was a lot of just like straining every element of my body to do the thing I was being asked to do that was putting me in peril. Tore my hamstring off the bone, toward my growing off the phone. Yeah, man, it was. It wasn't pretty. But I think just to optimize technique stuff. And then yes, some coaches just not working them hard enough. Sometimes you got to develop that callus. You got to get ready to hit. So a lot of coaches have these soft training camps where we're gonna save it for the regular season. Well, if these guys aren't ready to play in week one, they're gonna get smashed. They're gonna get hurt because they're not, they don't have that callous and they haven't you know, prepared enough in training camp to get it done. And I know back in the day, you know, they would have six weeks of training camp, but these but these guys would also have like be selling tires in the offseason, like they weren't making enough money, they had to have a second job. But they'd come in and get in shape for six weeks and then go out there and they'd be fine all season. Right, But the athletes bigger, faster, stronger, So it makes it kind of complicated and a lot richer, Yeah, a lot richer.

00:48:21
Speaker 4: I have to say, Like, my off season didn't consist of quarterbacking for four months getting ready to go play quarterback. I jumped on my mountain bike, I played handball. I did everything you could imagine away from football. And I think today's athlete is so geared to like more is better that I don't know how many of them actually get away and do something different. Than you know, the normal stuff to train for their position, and I think that can create redundancy, that can create habits in your body that you don't break. I would play hoops any chance I could get in the offseason. That was my conditioning. I mean I would run hoops and play and run, and so my body was ready to cut and accelerate and do these other things. Now it was just a football was in my hand. So I think the specialization and even just the training specialization where you're spending hours after hour with your guru working on quarterbacking like man, I didn't do any of that shit in summer.

00:49:17
Speaker 1: Man.

00:49:17
Speaker 4: I was playing tennis, I was playing hoops. I was riding my mountain bike. I was throwing frisbees, I was climbing trees. I was doing all kinds of stuff clumb trees. So diversification of your body so you're not just training one thing I think could lead to some of this. And it's not like the athletes now when you get to the league. Yeah, you do need to focus. This is happening with young kids. I meet them all the time. What sports do you play? Oh? Football? Do you do anything else? No, you don't play hoops or go play tennis or anything, or ride your bike. Not really, oh good luck, so good luck.

00:49:49
Speaker 6: There's also a funny thing Sean Payton said to a couple of weeks ago, towards the end of the season. He's talking about how guys don't really drink anymore. They don't really go out, they don't like party, they don't like you know, so guys don't get in trouble anymore. They're taking care of their bodies, they're getting their rest, they're doing the right thing, you know, they're not going out getting caught on cell phones messing around. But at the same time, like they live a different life. I mean when I played, when we played, we.

00:50:16
Speaker 1: Went out, we had fun. That was part of it, right, I mean you got definitely part of it. Yes, that was the point.

00:50:22
Speaker 6: That's why we worked so hard so we could do that too.

00:50:25
Speaker 1: They don't. It's easier for them now because most of the time we were going down party, we were hunting. Now they don't have to hunt. With social media. Social media, they can pull up in the city and know what the play is before they put their little antenna's out. But anyway, we could talk about this all day. The NFL coaching carousel. A lot of guys are moving around. Particularly want to touch on Mike Tomlin has stepped down with the Steelers, and Mike McCarthy is in. Tomlin nineteen years, two hundred and one and twenty six and two career record, and then McCarthy's last stop with the Cowboys forty nine and thirty five. Fellas, we don't see it in any sport rarely anymore, when these coaches with this longevity. Tomlin is one of the last of a dying breed. I think all leagues recycle do coaches a lot faster. Now, what are your guys' thoughts on Tomlin stepping down and Mike McCarthy stepping in.

00:51:18
Speaker 4: Tomlin's a great coach. I mean, he's been doing it, you said, one of the longest tenured guys out there. Will he go back to being a head coach somewhere you know who knows. I'm sure he'll find a job. McCarthy is interesting. He was. He was a guy I got to know early in my career at the Senior Bowl. He was on the Kansas City staff way back then, and so it was cool to kind of hear see his genius and his ability to coach and know the game, and then to watch him go become a head coach. It's funny when they get recycled. You know, I almost think, you know, what, can't we get can't anybody come up new with some new ideas. I mean, we got Shanahan's kid doing successfully, and then everybody that coached under him, and then Sean Payton comes and coaches here. It's not easy being a head coach because there's more involved than just x's and o's. You got to be a politician and to some degree, so it takes a different sort of man, a very type, a organized on it kind of guy. So who knows, man, I wish some all success. Who knows who Arizona's going to hire. Hopefully they can find a way to win. But yeah, the coaching care sales begun.

00:52:24
Speaker 6: Yeah, we saw it with Josh McDaniels, an incredible coordinator, came to the Broncos, was an awful head coach, got another job as a coordinator, went to the Raiders as a head coach, burned that place down. Now he's coordinating in the Super Bowl with the Patriots. He's back doing what he does well. But as far as being a leader of men, doing what Jake just said, being the overseer, the CEO who understands all the compartments, who can look you in the eye and give you the bad news if it's bad news, or give it to you straight, or make those tough decisions. Some guys don't have that. But at the same time, the guys like Tomlin and when we were here Mike Shanahan. I was here when Mike Shanahan got fired. He had been here for fourteen years. Shocked all of us that he got fired. But sometimes these coaches who have super long tenures, their message gets a little stale. You kind of know what they're gonna say, like they kind of you know. They don't connect with the younger guys as well. It is a weird generation now of younger dudes who are on some different shit right, And so it's like a lot of time you see a lot of these younger coaches getting hired because of that. Like guys in the thirties, you can connect with it. You got to be able to relate. I think you said it perfect there.

00:53:25
Speaker 1: And again, you guys know the football side, I know the basketball, but you have to relate to these younger players because one, like I said earlier, it used to be when we came in, the coach was to say all be all his way or the highway. Now these players in all these make too much money, so you're you're talking to someone the wrong way, or you have a funky couple week run, like, there's a possibility you could be gone sooner than later. So I definitely think being a leader of men one. But I think being able to relate to this generation because you can't. You can't yell and scream and cuss and have repetitive messages the way they used to do us and the generations before. This new generation does not having that shit. No.

00:54:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fifty two to fifty three different personalities. Man, you got to manage it well. And Sean Payton is great because he's very into like the psychology behind things too, so he's really good at at managing that. But you got to have a leader. You got to have tone setters on the team. You gotta have guys that set down the precedent that the team follows. Because here in the coach every day gets old. You got to have leaders and quarterbacks and linebackers and badass mofos that set down the what is going to happen on any good championship team?

00:54:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, you saw with the Nuggets last year here when Michael Malone getting fired, right, and then Adaman taking over. Adam in a young cat who's like an assistant that everyone liked and con vibe with, and Michael Malone won them a championship a couple of years ago, and all of a sudden he's.

00:54:45
Speaker 1: Gone right right before a playoff run.

00:54:47
Speaker 6: And you do have Nicola Yogause, you do have leaders in that locker room who can who can be the best?

00:54:53
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, give me five quarterbacks, you guys feel confident that'll be in the mix next year to make a run at the super Bowl. Five quarterbacks? Well, hard to say.

00:55:04
Speaker 6: And you know not to put in the guys who were just doing it right now, like Sam Darnold and Matt Stafford. If he's if he's still playing, playing at a super high level. I don't know if Drake may is going to continue to have the success he has. We'll see what happens in the super Bowl there. Jake and I were both, you know, not super impressible what we saw from him on Sunday, but it was the weather was kind of crazy.

00:55:25
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Bow nixt man.

00:55:26
Speaker 6: I think this this team is ready to continue doing what they're doing on that side. And I think Josh Allen, Josh Allen is still gonna be giving it the old college try.

00:55:36
Speaker 1: He needs some pieces, he needs some pieces he does. He does.

00:55:40
Speaker 4: Same with bo Bow needs some pieces he does. But I like, I really like Caleb Williams. I think that that kid, he's a baller, he's a his team loves him. He's got talent, arm talent, he can run. I really like what I've seen from him and just a little bit that I've watched. Uh, definitely a guy I'm gonna keep eyes on moving forward because you get a guy like that, it can build something pretty special, especially in a town like Chicago. And the things he's saying and how he says it, you know, post game it's all about his team and like it's authentic. It seems to be real from my viewpoint. So that with Josh Allen, and I'm looking for Lamar Jackson to have a big bounce back next year.

00:56:19
Speaker 1: Man.

00:56:19
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to not watch him in the playoffs because the guy does stuff you do not see happen. It's like watching Randall again.

00:56:26
Speaker 1: I know you.

00:56:26
Speaker 4: Randall was a guest on your Guy's show a while back. Man, that guy's poster was on my wall. I just wanted to be as athletic as that dude. And you got a guy like Lamar that's doing stuff you've never seen done before. It's hard when you don't get to see him be on that stage. But he'll have a bounce back next year. Watch out for the Ravens.

00:56:44
Speaker 1: Agreed. Agreed, Jakie, you're a pretty goddamn athletic yourself, though.

00:56:50
Speaker 4: Yes, somewhat. I didn't get a chance to punt, though, Man, I wish I could have.

00:56:54
Speaker 1: You know, it's like climbing trees.

00:56:59
Speaker 4: I did punt one time. Jeff Fiegels got hurt my rookie year, and my QB coaches like, weren't you an all state punter in high school? I was like yeah, He's like, well you could be our punter today. So I went out and I was yanking on it, just kicking it, and Jeff Fiagels is back there laughing. I said, what are you laughing at? He goes, Man, you're gonna be sore tomorrow.

00:57:16
Speaker 1: I was like or whatever.

00:57:18
Speaker 4: I couldn't even walk the next day. Man, my whole right side was killing me. But yeah, man, you got to be an athlete to play quarterback. You gotta have the best hands on the team. You got to be the most athletic and maybe not the best at everything, but you better be able to play some ping pong and rally and be able to hold your own. That's what they want to see, see if you can hold your own.

00:57:38
Speaker 1: You guys get a chance before we get out of here. Did you guys get a chance to see that Lway documentary? Yeah? I haven't seen it.

00:57:45
Speaker 4: It's really good.

00:57:46
Speaker 1: You gotta check that out, Nate. That shit was dope. Yeah.

00:57:49
Speaker 6: I mean, like you know, being around here, being around the team, talking about the team, you kind of start to hear all those stories. But I got to check it out and see him put it all together like that. I mean, we all haven't seen an athlete like John Elway come out, you know, number one draft pick and then fulfill the prophecy like that, right, That rarely happens.

00:58:08
Speaker 1: So, uh, he's a legend around here, man.

00:58:10
Speaker 6: I mean when I first got here, I got traded here from the Niners in the Middle training camp in two thousand and three. And I rolled up to training camp and there's this road called a Rapahole Road out here. It has a bunch of car dealerships. And it was John Elway Toyota John Lway for John Lwa Johnway everything here, man, I mean, he is god around here. Peyton Manning tried to come in and be like, what about me? So they like Peyton too, and they're starting to start to like bo and they love this guy too.

00:58:38
Speaker 1: But this is quarterback heaven here. But John Elway is the king.

00:58:42
Speaker 4: Yeah. That that documentary was amazing just to I really enjoyed watching him open up, you know, like to open up and share stories, and even to see him tear up, even though he fought it back. But to see, you know, someone you don't expect like that to show those emotions. He couldn't help it. And you know that helps men in all phases to be able to see someone like John Elway show that he can cry and feel that emotion. It's all right, you know, it's all right to show it and feel it. And he's been through a lot, man, He's been through a lot. I looked up to him as a youngster, and then when I got here to not fill his shoes because Greasey was the stop gap between me and him. I just embodied that. I said, I'm not John Elway, and I ain't gonna play here for sixteen years and I'm ready to go win now. John didn't win, or I mean, he had a lot of expectations. He had some rough seasons, yeah, but he showed toughness, he played his ass off, his teammates loved him, and all in all, when you're QB number one, you're gonna have more success than not if you just go out there and play your ass off and be a competitive mofo and not give a shit what anybody thinks except those guys around you.

00:59:48
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think, are you know the heroes we watched growing up, there was no social media, so to be able to see him open up or MJ open up with his documentary, when we get to see our heroes open up, and that there's always so much great unseen footage and stories. Man, I really I binge watched that doc I really enjoyed that documentary. Fellas Hee. Tell everyone where they can find your podcast. That's on Gorilla Sports. You can check us out Gorilla sports dot net.

01:00:14
Speaker 6: But it's also we have it on YouTube, we have it on x, Instagram, TikTok, all those places that we clip it up and you can see it out there. But it's Gorilla Sports like you see in the back here. G U E R I L L A and uh. We're gonna continue doing some some stuff trying to piggyback off what y'all are doing.

01:00:32
Speaker 1: Man, I love it. I love it, Jake. I'm gonna send you my new number and let me know if you guys need.

01:00:35
Speaker 4: Me right on, matt We appreciate it. Man, If you need anything from us, just reach out. We're here. Get ready to go do our walk through here in a minute.

01:00:43
Speaker 1: That's right there, you go. Well, I appreciate it, fellas. Thank you for your time and enjoy the rest of your day. Thanks Mattie's love and mushrooms. That's a wrap. You can catch us on all the Smokes YouTube and the DraftKings Network. See y'all next week.