152. Impulse shopping and retail therapy ft. Al from Two Broke Chicks

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties, the podcast where we talk through some of the big life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they mean for our psychology. Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to the podcast. New listeners, old listeners, Wherever you are in the world, it is so great to have you here.

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Speaker 2: Back for another December guest episode, and today we're bringing on someone who is not just amazing, but it is also a pretty close friend and a podcaster half of the True Broke Chicks. We have our thank you so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 3: An intro thank you, blushing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, yes by you don't know why, lady, I don't know why I feel so awkward doing this, considering that this is it's not even our first this is like our third episode that we've ever done like together, either on your show or my show. And then we also, like we talk all the time, and we have an office space together, and yet it's like I'm sitting.

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Speaker 3: Here because we're professional talking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, I feel like it's like we need it like more. Yeah, it's a professional profession. And it's like because we have an audience, whereas most of the time when we're just talking, we're just talking smack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just smart smack.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: Like sometimes we'll be like debriefing in the office and we'll give each other advice. I'm like, that's good stuff. Yeah, that is to write that down.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually honestly, I honestly, I've like stolen things that you've said to me and put them on the podcast because I'm not that wise all the time, right, Like no one is. Yeah, I need the wisdom to come from an outside source.

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Speaker 3: I've done the exact same. I've been listening to your podcasts. I'm like, that's a good tip. Yeah, use it.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna re propish, yeah, which honestly is great because I do all we feel like. So, you guys talk a lot about like your twenties obviously, but also like the intersections with like money and like you know, certain like social and cultural phenomena and changes that are happening. But the big focus is on like finance and like managing your money or your expectations around money and your money and your like relationships better in our twenties, and a big part of that that I think is really important to discuss as we're like entering into the holiday season, but really at all times and just coming out of Black Friday Cyber Monday, is impulse shopping.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Impulse shopping is a huge one because I think in our twenties, for the first time, we're like making like adult money, and we can like kind of start to afford the things that as children, as teenagers we needed to ask our parents for or they were kind of like luxuries. And if you've never like learned to budget or have that like proper financial literacy, you're spending can get like quite out of control. Yeah, and so I really want to focus on that, like the ways that we use like impole shopping, retail therapy over spending to like self suit. I feel like you have you had experiences with this.

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Speaker 3: You know I have.

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Speaker 2: I know I was setting it up.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to be like me, set me up. No, good, good good.

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Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah, you're welcome, I like it.

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Speaker 3: No, It's true because even with you know, we've been doing two Brow Chicks for two years and we kind of started very general, like we were in a lot a lot of niches, which we still are, but I think it's gone to show how much we kind of need to open up the conversation around shopping, spending and money with you know, how much our audience has wanted that in the last year especially, I think what on what you were saying as well, Unless you've learned how to budget and spend, like, you're not going to be very good with your money because you don't know how. But you're also not taught. So it's up to you to self teach like yourself because not a lot of us have had parents that you know, sat us down like this is how much you save or they did. And then once we move out and we don't have that adult influence and we are the adult, we don't really know how to do it, and it becomes really overwhelming. And then I think with impulse shopping and Christmas season, there's like two ways to think about it, because you're either spending for yourself and you're like, ooh, do you know who would like that maybe, or you're shopping for other people. And so there's two things that I like to think about when I'm thinking about impulse shopping, especially at Christmas time, and the first one is that you can't buy your own validation, like you can't buy self confidence. You can't buy like you then magically thinking that you're like the hottest shit in the whole entire world. So whenever you're like, oh, I've got to go out this weekend, I need to buy something, that's not going to fix it because there's going to be another weekend and that I think that insecurity is never going to be dull. Buy something that you buy online. It does does help in the moment. I'm not gonna lie in it because I do that all the time. I'm like, by this event, I don't feel like I have anything that I feel hot and to wear, and I would buy something and then it's just this like toxic cycle. And on the other hand, with other people, because we have enough money to spend, we kind of want to seek and buy their love or admiration, or maybe you get a bit competitive with siblings at Christmas time that you want to get like the best present, or do you do you remember that episode of the Office? Did you ever watch The Office?

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Speaker 2: I did? Yeah, I know exactly which one mean.

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Speaker 3: And Michael buys the iPod.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like, you can point to this dollar value and be like, I love you this y in my brain exactly.

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Speaker 3: But I think, and again, I myself have had this in the past where I buy people so much stuff because I think that's how I can tell them that I love them and that that'll make them love me too, which is a love language. But gift giving is not the highest price tag that you can spend on someone. Gift giving is like the thought that if you know they really like cooking, you could make them a rub like a rub rub thing. I don't really cook a lot with me, so that, yeah, that was actually pretty good. Book like a cookie dough okay, you know, Paprika.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to like go to the local like paper or like office supply store and make them like a cookbook of like see the favorite recipes that they've ever made.

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Speaker 3: You exactly, or like even a photo frame with a nice photo of it in there. And I think, as well, what I do each year now is I like haven't listed my phone of a notes app, and it's like got the budget per person, and then I plan out every gift like before I buy it, and then I go find that gift, so it's like I'm not just like shopping around. I don't just go on to like the David Jones website open gifts for him and then just start scrolling, because that is going to hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's it is gonna hurt, especially when you're doing it for like five six seven people. And it's so interesting because I think Christmas is or like the holidays when we're recording this is obviously like a big time when our budgets just like go out the window because there's such an expectation to shop, to shop big. There is very subtle ways that every company in this world is trying to convince you to spend more money right now. But then I think, so it's kind of more understandable during the holiday season. But I think in pol shopping during like the every like everyday life also comes down to a lot of like a lot of what it means to be like in the inn group. So in the sense of like buying trendy clothes to kind of like perform for other people is something that I think, especially in our twenties, we have to be wary of. And part of the influence of that is social media. It like it really creates like an entire like stych logical system of like social comparison. Yeah, well we've spoken about this, like the amount of times I've been like I hate my clothes, yeah, and I feel great in them, but it's because I'm constantly scrolling and seeing people who are super fashionable, and so I buy in order to make myself not just feel better, but to like almost suppress and the sense of I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like acceptance because we're all humans and we're so scared of rejection that it's like even words like cheugi that started trending. Chugy was like this thing and it was like I think jen Z came up with it, I don't know, but it was like chew gys like cringe. So if you do these things, they're cringe, or if you wear these things now they're cringe. And it would be like just pieces of clothing that used to be trending but now they're chew.

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Speaker 2: Gee oh okay.

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Speaker 3: And it was like the and you know what, business is probably froth this shit because it means that their quick tone over is just going to make them more and more money of like being able to sell you more and more stuff, which is why I love the development of a capsule wardrobe.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Oh, I was just about to say, it's really interesting because I think like each year you did an episode on this which I really would actually recommend people go and listen to called women Are Not Trends, which is amazing.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I could talk about this fake exactly.

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Speaker 2: Because and it so links to things like overspending, retail therapy, impulse shopping, because especially like women are taught that like every like six months, there is a new definition of the girl. There is a new definition of like what is hot, and each of those versions comes with a different outfit into the different makeup look comes with different accessories, whether it's like clean girl or like messy girl.

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Speaker 3: I like a tomato girl Tomato girl, and I like could put my foot down. And I think I had a full blown tantrument in the podcast studio that day because I was like, this is fun? Is it?

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Speaker 2: I actually I remember listening to this isn't it like the kind of ready makeup and.

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Speaker 3: Like, no, so that's strawberry girls, that's strawberry girl. Tomato girl was like what the europe girl, which again it's all marketing because this this tomato girl trend came out when every Australian except me went to Europe the same. It was actually kind of just I felt like I was back in high school and I was like, guys, can I sit with you? And they said, no, we're in Europe. But it was like the girl who wears a headscarf with linen and takes her book to the park. I'm like, so you're wearing linen and you're reading a book like, it's just it's and it's hot. Of course you're gonna wear linen. Everyone wears linen when it's hot. Yeah, So it's just these things that they invent, like you said, the it girl, and we then have to kind of fit the mold because there is definitely certain criterias to all of these trending girls, which is just yuck. Like it's just and it is to convince you to be like, oh you want to be a vanilla girl. You have to go buy ugs, and you have to go buy a cream Stanley cup and all the items that are you know, in that stencil of this woman are all very expensive items as well. And then look at Frank Green, like everyone's talking about Stanley cups now, whereas last year and Yetti's, whereas last year everyone was frothing Frank Green and.

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Speaker 2: The year before it was like camelbacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like every year.

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Speaker 2: So it's no wonder that people feel the need to kind of purchase items as a way to kind of feel a part of their identity that people are constantly asking them to change, and that if you're like behind, you're going to get called shugi, like you want to adapt to like what is being shown to you, not just on social media, but in your like just like everyday environment as well. The other factor that I think we really need to talk about is how like how company is, how brands create a sense of loss a version. So I think a lot of people have problems with impulse spending and they see it as a self discipline problem rather than the fact that they live in within a context, within like a current modern day that is constantly encouraging you to buy things, either through like the creation of trends or et girls or social media and social comparison, but also through things like a lot of these really amazing I will give them credit, like cognitive tools, So telling someone things are going to sell out. I learned that from you actually share a couple, I want you to tell me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. So there's actually a word that I can't remember that brands use. It's like an end of year consumer, right, and so they discuss this person because basically we're at the end of the year and we kind of stop caring about money, and then we go, I'll I'll just deal with it next year. We kind of like, you know, let our inhibitions go with our spending, and we just spend and spend and spend, and we kind of get ourselves in a hole and we're like, I'll just dig myself out of it next year. We put everything on after pay and then we're like, I'll pay it off next year. It's like that's a problem for next year, where it's like, no, it's a problem for now. And so there are a couple things that brands and marketers do to kind of convince this end of your consumer to spend their money. One is a flash sale, so anything that's like fifty percent off one hour only, especially when they've got like a countdown on the site, so that you you know, you think, oh my god, because it's this fear of missing out. It's a fear of missing out on a good deal and that bragging rights of an item that you probably didn't even even know that you wanted. Like if you and I say, if you know that you've wanted, you know, a dice in hot cool air purifier for the last six months, but you've been really been waiting for a good sale, and that sale happens and it's an hour only. Sure, like, sure, go buy that, you know you wanted that. But if you're like buying a pair of pink snake skin cowboy boots, which honestly, like I sound like I would love that, I know, like I'm like smash, But if I'm only buying them just because I've seen that sale, I probably don't need them, Like I didn't know that I wanted that. So yeah, it's this sense of urgency that really kickstarts you into shopping and spending money. And what it does is it forces you to open up the sale section and then you're gonna keep scrolling and when you're there, it's the second tactic, which is spend this to get free shipping. And so we all love girl math, but if you need to spend fifty dollars to get free shipping, which was five dollars, you're gonna just end up buying crap you don't need. Like if again, if you're doing a Christmas shopping on like the Iconic and you can do, you know, a bunch of shopping in one place and it's for multiple people, starting amazing, brave, love that. But if you're just shopping because you're like, I gotta find something to get free shipping, and it's not even a gift for anyone I've done this, it's oh, we've all done it. I do it all the time, and I still check myself and I'm like wait, And it's so easy to just get wrapped up in the dopamine hit of it because it is fun. It's fun to.

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Speaker 2: Shop, and also you feel like you're saving money. Like that is the appeal of the sale section is in your mind and there is there is actually a term for this, and I've completely forgotten it, but basically your brain is doing like the calculation of what this could have cost you if you bought it three weeks ago, such that actually now you're up because you're buying it three weeks later at a discount. That's what it is. Literally, it's like gambling. It's like Yeah, how where can I get this so that I and when we have systems like gambling or systems where like you're getting variable reward or dopamine from something or a sense of like you're winning from a purchase, that is in many ways going to hard wire your brain to make decisions that probably aren't in your best interests. Like I love the example you said of like if there has been a period of time that you've really wanted an item, take advantage of sales. But I also think that the flash sales like you were talking about, provide us with a lot of instant gratification that we're very used to getting from everything else in our society. Instant gratification from our phones, like instant gratification from express shipping, Like all of these things are like you can get it now, you can have.

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Speaker 3: It, low stock, Yeah, it's like low stock, or like isn't returning? Yeah, or what happens? And this was Sal's tip actually in that episode that she learned from Britney Saunders, who has faked the label. Yes, she's amazing. I love her.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big.

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Speaker 3: Fangirl obsessed, And she was saying that brands will be like not returning or it will return, like it'll come back in stock, and it'll be like like this sale is the final sale, like it's never coming back because it didn't sell out and they had heaps of stock leftover, so they said it sold out. It didn't really sell out. But they're just tricking you to think that there's this demand for this item because we all want to be on trend and not jugy or cringe or out of date. And it's just really exhausting because if you constant you're chasing a trend or a type of girl that TikTok is, you know, deeming the it girl of the month, you will never actually develop a sense of self. And I have fallen into this, as have many other women and men and humans in general, of you know, that fear of rejection and not quite knowing who they are because they're constantly adjusting themselves to be that. And it's where you develop this idea of like your style uniform. And I think it's really good to be able to identify the things that it's kind of the same as a capsure wardrobe. But when we say capsure wardrobe, we think like blue jeans, white teas, and a black blazer, which again, love that I trying to.

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Speaker 2: Say, that's literally your I know.

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Speaker 3: It's a gray men's lazer from deep up and I love her. I once spilled oil on her. It was a bad day that day, but I got it out, thank you.

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Speaker 2: But my capsure.

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Speaker 3: Wardrobe also includes vintage band tees and cowboy boots. Yeah, like if I'm going out on the weekend and I'm just going to chuck on a band tee some cowboy boots and I'm going to be so comfortable and I feel really hot in it, I feel like a bad ass.

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Speaker 2: Also like Sparkles, Like, yeah, it doesn't have to be plain to be part of like how you see your style. And I think it's something that happens the further we get into our twenties, where we're like, I actually don't want to dress for others anymore, and I don't want it to be And I know that we're talking a lot about clothes, but it really is with anything, you know, like skincare, with like products in your home, with like interior design, with new cars, like everything that you are being convinced to buy is not going to fill avoidable.

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Speaker 3: Like I hate myself. I'll buy a concealer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's not going to.

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Speaker 3: Help, babe.

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Speaker 2: It might make you feel little better. Well, this is the big thing that I also want to talk about, which is retail therapy. Obviously that is deeply psychological. We use a lot of different tactics to kind of create euphoria, like artificial euphoria and joy for ourselves, and anything creates dopamine. As we've explained, shopping does can be kind of not manipulated, but like can be disturbed in our brain. We can get.

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Speaker 3: Addicted to like the wrong dopamine. It's like I think that's why TikTok and social media and shopping are so closely linked because they both give you dopamine. So that's why it's so easy to transition between the two. So it's like, Okay, you see the new trending skincare or beauty item, which again they always tend to be like high end or expensive. There's definitely some like drugstore or dupes that coming out right, but it's like look at Dyson, Like Dyson is nine hundred dollars and it's like.

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Speaker 2: The hair product.

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Speaker 3: It's like the it's the hair product you buy. It had great sales on Black Friday that I was like, go, if you want it, you buy it. That's we're not seeing a sale like this again for a while. But it's like that's become the product to buy for hair, right, But that's really expensive, Like if you went like pre TikTok times, I don't think there would be many people that were spending nine hundred dollars on a hairstyler. And it's because like we see all this stuff and we're getting the dopamine from TikTok as we're scrolling, and then we open up the shopping and we're still in that dopamine high and then it's kind of like we're chasing it, being like, oh if I don't buy it, that dopamine goes down. And this isn't a conscious thing, but this is like the cycle that's happening of why we see something, we open the link or we open like whatever internet app there is, and we buy it straight away.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, because I've done that, and you know I've done this well. We were speaking about this recently. I had like a really terrible week and I really wanted a pair of Adelas Stambers, and I said, in the back of my mind, and I said this to you. I was like, I'm I know that these are going to go out of style in about six months, Like I know it, I know it. And I was telling myself again and again, like don't buy these, don't buy these. They are just another trending shoe. Yeah, they look great right now, but the reason you think they look great is because it allows you to fit into like the trend, the uniform, the vision of the day. And then I had a really terrible day. Obviously, my like my mood was low, my dope main levels were low, and I was like, you know what, you know, what's going to make me feel better is a new purchase, as an impulse buy is some retail therapy, because it's going to provide me with not just a dopemin hit, but a sense of control, the sense of agency that like, yes, all these other things in my life might be really difficult, but I can place this new item in the center and then I feel like there's a new thing in my life to be happy about. It's so deeply like emotional.

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Speaker 3: I get it though, because as well, there are moments that I'm like just do it, like yeah, like if you want to like if you've had a really crap week. Yeah, but I think knowing that this isn't going to fix it, Like, this isn't going to like, you know, if you broke up with your partner and your heart broken and you really just want to feel something nice and you want to buy something, I'm kind of like, okay, but within reason, Like we're gonna go with like a cute, little thirty dollar purchase. We're not gonna go with like something really expensive, and we're not gonna make a habit out of it. I think knowing the things that you can do to kind of get that control back that isn't shopping is really helpful so that you don't get in that loop. So, for example, I absolutely froth like a Pinterest scroll. Like Pinterest is like play shopping to me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that such a good way to put it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's like I feel like because I love scrolling through and like looking at things on sale and looking at things I want and thinking about how I would style them, because I do genuinely just love fashion and beauty and it is such a passion of mine. But I'm not a Kardashian and I can't just sit there and scroll and buy. Unfortunately, I do think I was meant to be one, but I think something just got messed up. Yeah yeah, I think like someone filed something wrong upstairs.

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Speaker 2: And then do you see that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's fine, we'll figure it out in the next lifetime. Come back storm his baby.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm still alive and I see like a picture of you and like the magazine, I'm like that baby looks verify.

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Speaker 3: The baby starts throwing up like the horns and singing a CDC. And you're like, I'm like shit, rubbing my eyes. You know what she said she was gonna do it.

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Speaker 2: She did. Everyone's gonna call me crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like Alex and they're like, all right, have some chats.

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Speaker 2: Time for home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But like pints, shopping is so good because you can kind of make believe shop and see what you already have. Like I feel like a lot of the items that are going to be coming up on your Pinterest are probably items that you already have in your wardrobe, so you can see all the different ways that you can style it and get like that cost per way from your shopping and make cute little pinteress boards. And it really helps me also understand items I want because if I have saved, like I had a thing something that I really wanted, a pair of, like lace just like playing black lace pants to like star with a black blazer, the top would have been really cute, right, And so I was like, oh, I don't know if I'm gonna wear them a lot. And for like a month, I've just been saving pins of like the just lace pants and I'm like, Okay, I want these, like I know, and I've got so many different ways to style them in my pinteress board that I know I want them. And I kind of didn't make the knee jerk purse purchase because I was doing it on Pinterest and I was having like a te fun, little girly time on there.

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Speaker 2: You're getting your dope, mean, and you're also getting your sense of control, and you're also getting like you're doing your research. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also, the other thing I would do is like go clean something Like if you're feeling really shit and you're there and you just want to buy something, I would like just go wipe down your bench top, yeah, or like just vacuum something. My roommate was so My old roommate was so good at this good slash bad that like at nine point thirty she would just start vacuuming, oh, and that it would be like like I was awake, so it's fine, but I'd be like, oh, we're go and she was like, I need to control something, and I was like, okay, that's fine, but she just But then you also get the satisfaction and like all the good brain juices from having like a clean space, and I reckon half the purchases you think about making if you go and do something else, whether it's you know, read a book for thirty minutes, clean your space, clean.

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Speaker 2: Your water about Yeah, that's a really good mind because honestly, who likes doing washing And you're just gonna keep buying more and more.

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Speaker 3: I'm speaking from experience. Underwear nowhere to put it, and it just kicks coming out and then you just have a messy room all the time and it's the worst. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I love that. We're gonna take a little bit of a break, but when we come back, I really want to talk about how you can tell whether it's an impulse purchase or a need and the experience of buyers remorse. So we'll be back with you shortly alrighty. So obviously, when we're really aware of our tendency to impulse buy, sometimes we can actually go in the opposite direction where we never spend money, would become very frugal. That can come at the expense of like spending money on things that are necessary, spending money on you know, experiences with friends. But I really do want to focus on items that you actually need. So how can you kind of tell the difference between an impulse purchase and a need?

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Speaker 3: So similar to what I was saying before, an impulse purchase is something that you hasn't even dawned on you that you want it, Like you've seen this one thing and you're like, I need that. And again, there are times that maybe you do need that thing, but I don't think anyone should make a knee jerk reaction within twenty four hours or something. So the best thing you can do in life shopping relationships with yourself is sleep on it. Like, just go to bed, and if you wake up the first thing you think about is that, then I'm like, okay, maybe we'll start thinking about it. And then if you don't even think about it, and you potentially even forget about it, for like two weeks and you're like, oh, I kind of oh so, and it maybe comes up as an AD because your cookies have been dropped, so your Internet knows that you want this item now, so it's going to start serving your ads for it. If that's the only time that you're thinking of it is because you're seeing it online or in ads, it's probably an impulse purchase, Like, you probably don't actually want this because there hasn't been a moment in your life that you've navigated through your life and this thing would have been a relief to like a problem or a want or whatever. Because for example, if you're going to go out for drinks and you've realized, oh crap, I actually don't have a scara, Yeah, that's that's when you're like, okay, I need a scara.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's when you clean a pair of socks.

00:27:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, one has enough socks.

00:27:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. Time one of those impulse No.

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Speaker 3: But absolutely no, absolutely not. I'm passionate about the suckies. But those are kind of the moments that I would think if there's something popping up in your everyday life and you're like, I need that, then you know you can go buy that and then the other thing that I think I do is I kind of make sure I earn the shop. So it's like I will go and I will find it on sale, and I will start price matching. So I will go to like all the retailers that stock it, and I will go on their little chat plot thing and I'll be like, do you price match this? And this has been something that I've been relentless with.

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Speaker 2: That's so smart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So like JB Hi Fi, the iconic David Jones, Maya, like the good guys Harvey Norman, they all price match, Yeah, jet Star price Match, Chemist Warehouse price match. There's so many places, Like.

00:28:42
Speaker 2: People who Generent live in Australia, these are like huge Australian brands, so I'm assuming that like in other countries, you might find a very similar system in place yep.

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Speaker 3: And so then I go through price matching, and then I start looking at like cash back. So I look on shop back and I see if I get shot back for certain brands, and that's kind of where I'll go to price match it, because if there's like twenty percent cash back at David Jones, then I'm gonna go price match at David Jones and a further twenty percent cash back. And it's like doing all this work that will show me if I really want the product, Because if you can't be bothered and there are moments that I can't be asked to go and do this and like really focus on getting a really good deal, then then I don't want it. Then it's not the thing. Like I was really tossing up with getting my boyfriend Rob don't listen. I'm pretty sure just in case no, He's always like, whenever I do something, he's always like, can I listen? I'm like, not go away for girls for the goose. I was really tossing up between like an Ura ring, which is like basically an apple watching a ring, and a Weber barbecue. And so this is probably a good tip for people that are doing Christmas shopping and what I do to ask people what they want for Christmas and I make sure I get them a good present because I am.

00:30:00
Speaker 2: El excellent if you cannot tell you all yes.

00:30:05
Speaker 3: As well for schopper and gift giver is I don't ask people what do you want for Christmas? Because like nine times out of ten someone's gonna say, well, I don't know, I don't want to feel bad to tell you what they want because we're like that it's greedy. But what I ask is like, do you have any passions for next year? Or are there any new focuses you want to get into? Or when are you at your happiest? So those beautiful series of questions. Yeah, so those can kind of tell you what people want. So, like I asked my boyfriend and I said, do you have any passions that you want to lean into next year? As I was tossing up between a fitness tracker and a weber he goes, he goes running and cooking, and I was like, fuck both of them. I was like, what's them do?

00:30:58
Speaker 2: Maybe like a nutrition pouch or something. Yeah, but I was so coo.

00:31:02
Speaker 3: Yeah. But honestly, I was like, the Ura ring was like four hundred dollars aud and I started going into my little price match shot back world for the barbecue and I was likeha, And I ended up getting it like fifty percent off.

00:31:17
Speaker 2: That's actually incredible.

00:31:18
Speaker 3: It was wild.

00:31:19
Speaker 2: It's worth it. He's kind of worth it.

00:31:21
Speaker 3: And then like since then, I've heard him say all these little things about cooking that I'm like, oh, I'm so excited to give that to him. And it wasn't just like this weird, like knee jerk reaction of buying him something that was really expensive, because that's what the URA ring would have been. It was like I saw it and I was like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, and it was one hundred dollars off. And as well, especially for sales whether it's Black Friday or whatever time of the year it is, it's like our biggest sale of the year.

00:31:45
Speaker 2: Lies.

00:31:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Lilli Lieselli lies.

00:31:50
Speaker 2: The thing is to realize is like there is absolutely no legislation rules anything around advertising sales.

00:31:58
Speaker 3: It's also unregulated, like yeah, I'm gonna name it up, but pretty little thing. They always always have a sale on their site, right, and they have a countdown, and I swear I don't know if they still do this because I haven't been on this site for ages, but like I would say, like maybe when I was twenty, which was seven years ago, it's fine, but they would have like fifty percent off and the countdown would never be for more than a day and then the next day it would just reset. So they just had this countdown that was always like twenty four hours.

00:32:30
Speaker 2: They know their psychology.

00:32:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it might have been give or take a little bit less, a little bit more, I don't know, pretty little thing. You can't sue me. Disclaimer. Yeah, but it was always like that.

00:32:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what we were talking about before.

00:32:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:32:42
Speaker 2: I think when we were going back to I love that you did your research before making a purchase. That is a big way of telling whether something is an impulse by versus a need is because you won't look for other options. So it's like, for example, if you need a new pair of runners because you're all have holes in them, Yes, you are going to look for the best value for money. You are going to look for the best pair that's going to last you a while. If it was an impulse value, you'd be like, oh, those are fine, because our standards for an impulse buy lower because we're actually not actually looking for the purchase, we're looking for the dope member of control. We're looking for other things here.

00:33:17
Speaker 3: I also think as well, like buyer's remorse is going to happen, so like, don't beat yourself up for those moments that maybe you have bought something and you're like, oops, this was a bit of a mistake. Like, yeah, because as well, we're not as a collective, as a community, we're not shopping at places that we can't return items. If something's final sale and you haven't been able to like try it on or like actually touch it, feel it and see it in real life, I would really recommend not buying it. But as well, a lot of the time you can return it. We're just really lazy, Like that's true. Yes, Like the idea of going to the post office, which is difficult because a lot of us work nine to five and the post office is open from.

00:33:59
Speaker 2: Like yeah some places. Yeah, it's like how did they come up with that system?

00:34:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like none of us really Like who owns a printer? I do because I needed I don't. Oh I bought one because I just would not go to the post office. And I was like, I'm losing so much money in these clothes that I was like, I'm just gonna start printing my own returns labels.

00:34:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then being able.

00:34:20
Speaker 3: To ship it back. But like making sure that you do that, because I read this stat the other day and it was like thirty percent of online purchases like get returned. That's just the items that get returned, Like, I feel like that number would be so.

00:34:35
Speaker 2: I would say it's like at least fifty percent for like items that didn't get returned and then also didn't get used.

00:34:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it's like fifty percent of items online. I'm making this start up. By the way, this is just a guess. I think it's true, but that people wish they didn't buy. Yeah, I'm sure there's so many.

00:34:50
Speaker 2: Of those sitting in my internet. We'll have to find it out. Because it's like so buyers remorse, there's two versions of it. I had to look into this buyer's remorse in which you spend a lot of money and you're feeling a sense of loss from your attachment for the money. So like, for example, if you're saving for a home or a car, you have spent so much time earning that money that when you finally spend it, you feel this like and you've been so strong not spending it that then suddenly you spend it all because you've permitted yourself to spend it all. But like your brain, your cognition has kind of like taken a little while to shift into that new gear of like there is permissiveness there to spend it. Same with people who say for like big overseas holidays, and then they go and they're like, I suddenly feel really guilty for spending money on this thing, when in fact, actually this is what we've been saving for. So that's one type of like buyer's remorse. And the second type comes from this thing called post decision dissonance. And it's particularly to do with impulse purchases. We've said this so many times. It comes from an emotional urge to purchase something to feel a certain way. It's a way of you know, self regulating, of self soothing. What happens is you buy that and then the emotional impulse fades and you're able to see things a little bit more clearly. And it's in that point of like where you feel more rational, that you actually understand like the pros and cons of the purchase rather than just the emotional impulse of the purchase. I was gonna ask you, what's your been your biggest buyer's remorse? Oh my god, I feel like because I was like, I'm fascinated by this.

00:36:24
Speaker 3: I did a really stupid one recently, and I saw a TikTok and it was of this like Papison chair. And so Papison chair is like you've probably seen them, but they look like they're a cane chair that kind of looks like a bit of a cocoon. Right, Yeah. They hang or you can put it on a stand and it can either sit up as like a couch or you like then swivel it and it sits as like this little bed. And I saw someone on like BookTalk reading in theirs and I was like, well, I obviously need that. Yeah, And I was like, but like furniture is always so I was like, I wonder how much it is. And then because I was in this loop, and I saw it on Amazon and it was like one hundred and seventy dollars and I was like, oh my.

00:37:08
Speaker 2: God, and you already have thought it was going to be more expensive. Winning so I thought.

00:37:12
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, standing amazing, brave, come at me, and then bought it. It came, and I you know, made the impulse decision and it came, and I hadn't thought about one of these chairs either, so again this happens to me too. Still, and it came and I was like, this package is really small. Maybe I have to build it. I just bought the cushion. It was just a cushion. There was a chair, and then I looked up how much the chair was.

00:37:43
Speaker 2: How much was the chair?

00:37:44
Speaker 3: One thy five hundred dollars?

00:37:46
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So did you buy it? No?

00:37:49
Speaker 3: I said, absolutely not. I went to marketplace and I said, give me one did you find that? I did find on Facebook marketplace, But I then ended up spending I think it was like another one hundred and fifty dollars to get the chair, which then, look, I love the chair, but I probably wouldn't have spent three hundred dollars on it in the first place. Yeah, in the first place, which then collectively ended up being three hundred dollars. And then there's been other things where I just like didn't read the measurements and I bought the world's tiniese couch like it.

00:38:21
Speaker 2: Was the furniture. There was one of those ones where I'm like, you should go in and look at that.

00:38:24
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, oh my god.

00:38:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge thing.

00:38:26
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's been like, definitely a couple of things as well. I think some of my buyer's remorse has come from trying to kind of force an item I really liked in a size that wasn't mine, so either sizing up or sizing down, and I would be like, oh, I'll just I'll make it work, like maybe it's maybe it's a big make and I'll maybe i'm bloated together, Yeah it's an end, and I just will be like, no, it's fine, I'll make it work. And then I get it and I'm like, one, buying clothes that aren't gonna fit me that I know aren't gonna fit me. I'm just gonna put them on and feel bad about myself. So why am I doing this to myself? And two? Am I actually going to be able to return it? Because we're all lazy in terms of returns.

00:39:09
Speaker 2: And it's busy and it's busy time, and like.

00:39:12
Speaker 3: Then you just have to pay for shipping as.

00:39:14
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, which is just a bummer.

00:39:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think those have been some of my buyer's remorse times. But yeah, the chair one on Amazon was a recent one, and I.

00:39:23
Speaker 2: Was like, damn it, I get that, And it was an impulse by Yeah. I did this with a pair of boots maybe two years ago. It was like I bought them when I just started making like real mad money again, the adult money. Yeah, And I was like, I want those boots and it was an impulse purchase and I bought them. They were from a low Haas and they actually ended up breaking.

00:39:45
Speaker 3: Oh no, they wa they did it.

00:39:48
Speaker 2: And then I emailed them and I actually I bought them from a different seller, so I hadn't brought them straight from a low has and so they couldn't refund me, and it was like such a bummer, and I ended up paying. So here's the other thing. I bought them for three hundred dollars. I've never spent that much money on an item of clothing shoes. Ever, I'm like very frugal, like when I just I just don't do it. So I bought them and then I broke them, and so I ended up spending another fifty dollars fixing them. It's the sunk cost fallacy where you like, I've already spent and it's what happened to you as well. Yeah, I already spent this much money. To let that go would be a loss of this money. So I just need to go in further because at least that's that loss of version.

00:40:30
Speaker 3: I just returned the fucking cool shit.

00:40:32
Speaker 2: I should have just like stuck to my guns and been like, give me a refund these yeah, And I'm not saying anything that's I need you to make.

00:40:41
Speaker 3: I have been there been like I know my age triple Z consumer rights. I'm not getting off his chat this contact us chat until you give me a refund.

00:40:53
Speaker 2: But I burn this place, fill the ground.

00:40:56
Speaker 3: It makes me feel better. My I realized another one when you were just talking. It was I bought like a designer handbag for like three thousand dollars and it's the only designer handbag I've ever bought, and I would never buy a designer handbag ever again, because I this was maybe two years ago, and I fell into that whole, like like when you buy your first designer bag, it's just really special thing. And I started getting served all the ads and all of this stuff, and I like achieved something really big at my old job and I got this bonus and I was like, do you know what? And I think we still weren't allowed to travel yet. Maybe I can't remember, and I was like, and I really wanted this designer bag, and I had wanted it for a while, but when I got it, it was so much money, more money than I've ever spent on anything, like ten times.

00:41:52
Speaker 2: The amount of money a big spend.

00:41:54
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no.

00:41:55
Speaker 2: You're not like that.

00:41:56
Speaker 3: Like I am like, get me a good deal, then you get my money. But like and I just was like, it's too nice. I can't use it.

00:42:04
Speaker 2: Oh what happens?

00:42:05
Speaker 3: What happens if someone spills woul drink on it? What happens if it gets stolen?

00:42:08
Speaker 2: What?

00:42:09
Speaker 3: Like? Because it was so much money and so special in like quotation remarks, I then didn't use it for like two years, and I was like shit, I was like, this was a waste of money. Trying to force myself to use it more now because I still sometimes have a thing being like, oh but if like I don't want that. I have this like fear that if you're going to buy something and it's really really special, that you're going to be like I'm only going to use some special occasions. Don't buy it. Your cost per wear is not going to be like it's not gonna be the level that it needs.

00:42:41
Speaker 2: No, that's a big one. It's like from home alone too. He talks about like how he got a pair of rollerblades one year, but he was so scared that they would get dirty that he never used them, so he left them. That's all I can think about. So I wanted to do a quick segue to the last thing I want to talk about, kind of a two double barrel question here, Well, what are some of the things that we should be spending our money on in our twenties and how can we be better at managing our money such that we don't impulse.

00:43:07
Speaker 3: By I think first step in managing is managing your money and then figuring out what you need to spend your money on. So there are so many just like free templates that you can literally put into Google. And I know it sounds boring because whenever I would listen to like money podcasts tell me to do this, I was like, I'm not going to do that. But you do really need to just sit down and look at how much money you have coming in and how much money you have going out. I'm not saying you need to look at the last six months, three months or whatever, but even just the last month so that you can get an idea of how much money you do have and don't have. Because if you're getting to the end of the week and people are asking if you want to go out for drinks and you're saying, we haven't been paid yet. You really need to look at this because it means that you're spending more than you're earning, so you take it into debt. Yes, and that is how you get into debt. That's when you start, you know, abusing things like after pay or like looking into a credit card.

00:44:00
Speaker 2: Don't get a credit card.

00:44:01
Speaker 3: No.

00:44:02
Speaker 2: I think in Australia it's easy to say that, yeah, because we don't have like a credit rating. But if you if you don't need to get a credit card, do not buy a credit do not get a credit.

00:44:10
Speaker 3: We do have like credit schools, though I actually.

00:44:12
Speaker 2: Saw this thing where it's like apparently they don't look into it as much. They can offer it up like you can give it as evidence, like being like I am suitable for a loan, but if you've never had a credit card, they don't count it against you. No.

00:44:24
Speaker 3: No, what I'm saying, Yeah, we'll.

00:44:25
Speaker 2: Look at it if you have one, but they won't.

00:44:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyhow, if you never had a credit card, then they're not going to be like you don't.

00:44:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no need to get to get one unless you're like really into like the points or whatever.

00:44:35
Speaker 3: And even then, I think the points, there's so many terms and conditions to it. So it used to be like a credit cards editor. So like she if she says I'm never getting a credit card, this is like never getting a credit best friend. And that's not money advice or financial advice at all. But if someone who wrote about them through a living has not got one, then I'm not getting one.

00:44:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyhow, there's our first Yeah, take solid look at your finances, don't get a credit card.

00:45:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think, take a look and then really break down everything you spend so that that kind of shows you how much wiggle room you have with your money and where you want to pull back. So for example, like I always get my nails done every two weeks. I know that's going to be forty five dollars, but we don't necessarily put that into our budgeting. We think rent, we think you know, groceries, we think electricity bills, right, but we don't put in like the little things that we regularly get, like even if that's your five dollars morning coffee. Yeah, And so find a template or build one if you like that's so easy that you can just like pop the numbers in there as you're spending or at the end of the week. What like my partner and I have started doing. But you can do this on your own, or you could do this with your roommates, is that we like pull like He'll have a beer and I have like a glass of wine at like four o'clock on a Sunday afternoon and we'll like play like some Fleetwood Mac and we'll like look at it and then we'll just kind of like hang out and do it while we're hanging out.

00:45:57
Speaker 2: It's fun.

00:45:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, so that it's like the first thing I would do. And then in terms of thinking about what you need to spend your money on in your twenties, it's very difficult to answer this because our early twenties and our mid twenties and our late twenties all have very very different paychecks. Because our early twenties, a lot of us are still at UNI and we're probably working part time. Mid twenties is kind of when we get entry level, yeah, a full time job that we kind of tend to see a bit more money, But that's also when we tend to move out so that's when we're kind of trying to figure out how to budget because we've moved out, and late twenties is when we're like, okay, money, I have money. I need to figure out how to spend money. So I think first things first is it's when you are in that phase of Okay, we're moving out, we're renting. When you're renting, that's going to be the biggest investment. I think where you're home, where you live, that's your biggest investment because that's your safe space. That is never a bad investment in my eyes. And I know that renting at the moment is an absolute the breakfast, especially in like Sydney in Australia. But learning how to kind of manage your money and your home is going to be really really helpful in the long run that you're never stressed and resentful to pay rent, because that is huge, yeah, because I know, like we're never going to be like, yeah, I'm paying off someone's mortgage. But living within your means but somewhere that feels like home is going to really be helpful. Like I always think investing in your home and good quality and the things that you use every day is never going to be a bad investment. For example, sheets if you have like the expendable income to spend a little bit more on really good quality sheets, that's going to make getting into better at the end of a really long, hard day, that a little bit nicer.

00:47:41
Speaker 2: Or like bedframe mattress.

00:47:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, bedframe mattress, even cookware, Like I would say that's maybe more of like an investment in your late twenties.

00:47:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get that for like quite cheap. Actually second hand. I love that when I.

00:47:53
Speaker 3: Moved out Facebook Marketplace is your best friend in your twenties. I'm telling like, there are so many things that I would say thing to invest in your twenties is shopping secondhand. I think we underestimate the value of it, and we overestimate the sparkles around brand new because like I got a brand new for this price.

00:48:13
Speaker 2: Not me.

00:48:14
Speaker 3: I'm like, this was used three times and I got it for seventy percent the retail price. Amazing. I think as well, we avoid things like our health a lot too.

00:48:24
Speaker 2: That's about to actually say that, like health is a huge one, like that I've figured out I used to go so cheap when I went to my doctors, Like I would only ever go to doctors that were free, and I got bad healthcare. Yeah, or I like did not take care of myself because I did not want to spend the money yep. And that actually caused problems where I was like, oh, so like now I have Like one example is with my eyesight, where when I went to UNI, I was like, I'm not gonna get my eyes to it's too expensive. It's too expensive. I kept wearing glasses that like weren't working for me, and then three years later it was like, well, now you need like a particular kind of glass. It's gonna cost you two hundred dollars more.

00:49:00
Speaker 3: Exactly. There's even like and we avoid it because we think the price tag is going to be really high. So for example, like dentistry is something that we really all don't don't spend money on. We don't want to spend money on it, and we avoid it because I've avoided it for like two years, and so I was like, you need to go to the dentisty and I was like, I know because she's so good with it. And then I found this dentistry that was called Dental ninety nine and it's like a ninety nine dollar dentist that you can go and get like a clean and a check up. And it was and I went and tested it because I was like, I'm not going to recommend it. Recommend this if I haven't gone and you get it, pull out a chainsall being like you've got a cavity, and I'm like wow, but that was really good. And so making sure that you don't cut corners on the things that really matter, but you don't necessarily need to be going to like you know, a Double Bay GP, which is like a very expensive suburb in Australia to do that, like find ways in the middle, yeah, one hundred percent, and finding a consistent doctor. I think the other thing is analyzing the things that you is your cost per wear, so the things that you use every day. So for example, for me, I drink coffee every day, So my coffee machine is like seven hundred dollars, but I think I drink like two coffees a day every day. So it's paid it is paid off back and then so those things as well as like winter boots, sneakers, your jeans, kind of those items that you know do go through the cycle. I used to be when I was eighteen because I didn't know any better. I was such I didn't even know what fast fashion was.

00:50:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it wasn't a thing when we were young. No, it was, but it wasn't didn't have a label. No, it was like we had it, but we didn't realize what it was.

00:50:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I think that is down to, you know, a little bit of ignorance and privilege that I just had no idea. But as like I've gotten older, like fast fashion and the landfill that comes from companies like Shean and Zara, yeah is really grim. But also the quality you get is going to fall apart with any which is why I would say, like these trend items that do tend to come from you know, fast fashion, think about whether you really want it and if you're gonna be wearing it in three is time. But if you are going to be wearing a three is time, is it gonna last? Like, is it gonna last in the wash?

00:51:15
Speaker 2: Well, it's the big thing of like you said, winter boots, jeans, sneakers. Yeah, the one that I've realized recently because I've said I'm going overseas. I will be overseas at the time this episode comes out. Is like a really good winter coat.

00:51:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:51:27
Speaker 2: Every year, Yeah, yeah, I know. Every year I was like, I'm just gonna buy like another cheap winter coat and then it would get freezing. I mean I'm gonna and I was like, no, stop, let's actually think about this in a future sense, and let's save my future selves some money so that she doesn't have to replace this again next year. Yeah.

00:51:44
Speaker 3: I think as well, remembering that no one really cares about your outfit as much as you do is also really helpful. Yeah, like, no one's gonna be like, oh, Cindy Wall that four weeks ago to Sheryl's twenty seventh birthday, no one noticed that no one cares as much as we think they do. But to kind of like wrap up my very long winded edd of like this and that isn't that. I think the best thing you can invest your money on in your twenties is people and experiences, the people that you love spending time with and ways to spend time with them. And it never needs to be like, you know, thousand dollar flights to go traveling together, because realistically, not a lot of us kind of thought that, but it can be spending twenty dollars on a bottle of wine and going and watching the sunset together, and like those memories don't actually have a price tag on them, Like, there are so many moments that I think of with the friends that I have and the people that I love that I it was never you know, a lot of money, but those those moments and those memories are completely priceless to me. That I think as well, your twenties, you have a lot of freedom. As we get older, our responsibilities to you know, maybe partners or careers or potentially kids just get stronger, and we have a lot less time to make the memories that we want to make for ourselves. So like, your time is actually like the most valuable thing that you own. So like making sure that you spend that wisely is probably the best way to spend anything in your twenties.

00:53:14
Speaker 2: That is such priceless advice as well.

00:53:17
Speaker 3: She does have some little bits.

00:53:19
Speaker 2: I think it's so wisdom. And if you kind of find ways to understand your retail therapy habits, you're over spending habits, you are impulsive spending habits. You have that money to give to the things that are really important, like that item of clothing that piece of furniture that like impulse, whatever thing that you've bought, that's not going to outlive anything, any of the memories that you make right now. So I think that is a beautiful place to wrap things up. Thank you so much for coming on and thanks bringing your wisdom. It's actually given me quite a lot to think about in terms of how I manage my money. I actually don't have a budget, and it's a discussion I've been having with myself of like, let's get ahead of this now.

00:53:58
Speaker 3: It's hard because I feel like, as well, you do the budget and you realize.

00:54:01
Speaker 2: Like you, I don't want to know.

00:54:03
Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, oh my god, how much money we've been spending. And it's good you feel empowered.

00:54:08
Speaker 2: I'm terrified.

00:54:09
Speaker 3: I'm terrified to look by yourself a nice, nice bottle of wine. It will by nice, I mean the two for thirty dollars of squealing pig rose wine. That's my favorite bit of ice in it.

00:54:22
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah it's too sweet.

00:54:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like because it's not cold enough. I need the ice in it really to really make sure it hits. Yeah. And also, whenever I spend like fifty dollars on a bottle of wine. I'm like, this tastes like shit.

00:54:38
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I did that the other day.

00:54:40
Speaker 3: It's not good, is it?

00:54:41
Speaker 2: I happened? We went out to like this French man my almost said his name, and my boyfriend went out to like this French pistro and the cheapest bottle of wine is sixty dollars and it was the worst thing I've ever tasted.

00:54:52
Speaker 3: I was like quilling pig all the way.

00:54:54
Speaker 2: I was like, I would rather have drunk like juice or like vinegar than drunk this. Yeah. Anyhow, we got on right now, why let's talk about good wine. No, no ship wine. Yeah, ship wine. But again, thank you for coming on. Our is one part of Two Broke Chicks. Sally Soul could not be with us today, but you should absolutely go and listen to their podcast and follow them wherever you would follow anybody. TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, No, don't do that. Facebook.

00:55:30
Speaker 3: Actually, I think people they get enough from us on their other platforms. I'm like, you know what, I'll give you one reprieve.

00:55:36
Speaker 2: Yes, you don't have to see us there.

00:55:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think the like forty year old men on they are very interested in what we have.

00:55:42
Speaker 2: To say either, I really don't want to get in.

00:55:45
Speaker 3: It was like majority man, I was like, yeah, pest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't go in there. It's like a fucking just scarce me hell pit of just terrible opinions.

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Speaker 3: Oh great, maybe I should join.

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