The Braxtons Beef | Season 2, Episode 5 Recap: Claudia, Dustin & Blue

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Ray drops.

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Speaker 1: Look, I am in the middle of a beautiful female sandwich.

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Speaker 2: Call me an oreo, I'm creamy.

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Speaker 3: That's how it was starting.

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Speaker 2: You didn't.

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Speaker 4: It's more an orgy, maybe an orgy of the mines.

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Speaker 3: Maybe orgy of the mind is wild but still accurate.

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Speaker 4: Right or do the mind? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is well, you know that could be the case. That could be the case.

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Speaker 1: But listen, I am here with Claudia Jordans and we have Blue Tolusa, Jordy.

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Speaker 5: The Legend, the myths, the woman, the voice.

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Speaker 3: I'm up a rocket tour. People be getting mad at me.

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Speaker 4: H girl, start of my life.

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Speaker 3: Can't get away with nothing like You're in a good company.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we do here, and we are ship starters, but we tell the truth.

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Speaker 3: That part, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like and yeah, people get mad. They can get mad if they want to. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, We're just here to have conversations. And today we're here, y'all to talk about another episode of The Braxton So before we get into all of the dealings, okay, of what has been happening in this past week's episode, well night, the past week tonight's episode, Okay, I first want to talk about things that were happening this week as it relates to the Braxtons. So Blue and Claudia, as you two know, last week's episode, the ladies aka the sisters had a big argument about this cease and desist and whether or not the sister sent it?

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Speaker 2: Who's sentims? A big who done it? Who's zooming? Who Aretha Franklin? It was a mystery Claudia and Blue. The mystery has been solved.

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Speaker 1: So a lawyer went online and decided to clear the air. Okay, so the lawyer said, he they listen. They referred to him as the Braxton's family attorney, which means he is represented everybody, even the past or the present except Tamar.

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Speaker 2: But he went online to say that.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the sisters who hired him to send the cease in the sist.

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Speaker 2: But it's in his exact words blew. He said that it wasn't anybody vagina.

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Speaker 3: Wow, it wasn't anybody with the vagina, how much you want to bet? He says female as well in conversation, it was nobody with the vagina.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's anything like that legal jargon?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: Is that how lawyer's talk now?

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Speaker 3: I don't think it is. And that already tells me what kind of paths of this is.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he's Is he from legal zoom?

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Speaker 3: It's giving he wants the one thousand plus one thousand that church, or he's gonna cuss you out like it's it's very much that that bracket of professional and I want to know who hired him.

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Speaker 4: Look at Carlos's face, he's already stressed out over us. He's like, damnit, high minutes.

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Speaker 3: In already one thousand plus one thousand. This is only twelve hundred and thirty five.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm used to two aries, so Claudia's and Aris.

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Speaker 2: I'm a libra, what are you blue?

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Speaker 3: I'm an aries tourist, Cusp and I always warned people because according to the others Georgy, I'm an aries, but I don't claim them. So I'm a taurist. Why don't they see me coming? If I claim, y'all have to stay taurists so they can let me know.

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Speaker 4: You clean it off. You try to go in there like a trojan horse.

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Speaker 3: Huh yeahmatorius stable another.

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Speaker 2: Ari, So I listen. I love an aries.

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Speaker 6: I love in aries.

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Speaker 2: Look clearly, it's.

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Speaker 4: Such a favorite. It's not a favorite sign.

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Speaker 2: My favorite sign. I would have to say.

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Speaker 1: All my life, I have always been connected to scorpios.

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Speaker 4: Oh the darkness, okay, I I thought I was gonna say sad.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say Gemini. Because the neighbors are geminised with the gossip together. They love the kiki. A Gemini in the corner talking about you, I'm mourning all of you. If you see a Libra and a Gemini in the court, you are the topic.

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Speaker 4: I must go hit you them. Gemini.

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Speaker 5: Do you catch them on a group text talking about you?

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Speaker 4: Man, maybe going in on you till you be like, damn, I thought he's my friend.

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Speaker 2: Is that that happened to you before?

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Speaker 4: Claudia yeah, it was I thought. I was like, damn, you said that about me.

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Speaker 2: I am so fastered by this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, before I get into the recovery episode, we have to dissect the zodiac sign of the sisters because I need to understand the dynamic of what exactly is going on with these girls.

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Speaker 2: But okay, so the lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Said that someone who doesn't have a vagina hire him to send the cease and desist. Ashley Braxton, who is the daughter of Michael Braxton, the sister's only brother. Ashley said on TikTok that was her father. She actually sent the cease and desist. Now, the word on the curb is this, Claudia Blue, and I would love to get your thoughts on this. The word on the curb is the fact that this lawyer allegedly is super close to Tony and Trina and that perhaps in order to keep their hands clean, allegedly they reached out to their brother to do it on behalf of the family.

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Speaker 2: Blue, what are your thoughts on that? Does that sound like something that is believable on.

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Speaker 3: A scale of one to ten? How authentic are we going to be today?

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Speaker 2: Carlos, Claudia Jordan to Carlinos king it has to be a tend.

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Speaker 3: For the way I'm at all, I'm in the right place.

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Speaker 4: The just that the only thing do with ponytails and eyelashes. That's it.

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Speaker 3: The show is over. Okay. So my take on this is through the lens of an EQ coach, and I'm gonna say this. I was not surprised by what he said because I feel like the way the mechanism that is the Braxton works, they would have never mad done it themselves. They would have always hid behind someone. So them him saying it's somebody with a vagina, I think he intended to say that from the beginning, which is why the brother was the one who was used. I think they're all complicit. I think they're all complicit. And I actually have a lot to say about Twanda Braxin in particular because I'm just gonna start here. So you guys can do a temperature check if you're ready or not. You know how the mother has several children, right, because I believe a fish sticks from the head. When a mother has several children, she knows what every child is insecure about, and she tries to speak to it. Right. So if Carlos. If you were the short son, she'd be like, well, you're tall enough if you were a good man, you know what I mean, Like, whatever it is. Have you noticed that in every single scene where Everylyn's talking to Twanda, the first thing she says is hey, beautiful, Hey, pretty girl, Hey gorgeous, because she's trying to offset the obvious pain that Towanda has about how she's perceived in the hierarchy of her sisters.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And so there's a certain level of pandering the family does to Twanda, And there's a certain level of manipulation that Tauanta does on behalf of the family that I'm ready to call BSR because Tamar is not perfect. And you can be imperfect and be an imperfect victim. Tamar is an unsympathetic imperfect victim. And I think the family has a long documented history of being annoyed that she is the one who's always whistleblowing on things that they've agreed to toxically keep them themselves. And the reason that she's defending Ashley so much is because she's seeing it happens Ashley.

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Speaker 2: She's seeing it wow.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why. And for those who are like, well, it's it's self serving. First of all, nobody does anything that they don't get anything from being good at Being strategic doesn't mean you're insincere. We're on a show right now, the show is being produced. It doesn't mean we're gonna lie right so production being involved doesn't make it insincere. I think the reason why she was so passionate about Ashley is because she was Ashley. So when you see her talking about herself, you're actually seeing her motivation to have Ashley's back because she's watching it happens the next generation, and a lot of people aren't clocking that she's being triggered. She's been triggered by a real offense that is being hidden behind a family dysfunction. That's just my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Claudia Jordan, I think you're my legal band.

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Speaker 4: Nah. You made some great points.

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Speaker 5: I think the reason why it's easy to uh not take Tamar's side for the audience a lot of times in the family is because sometimes she can come off as a bit much right, or she may aggravate you or a certain thing she does because she's you know, gregarious and louder and stuff, So it's easy to like not take that person's side, right, Well, she's always it, so she's always that. But like you're saying, to your point, I get it. You're saying, you can still have those traits and still be to the truth. Yeah, And and I think a lot of times, depending on the messenger or what we already think about someone, that sometimes frames what we are willing to believe about. The more take their sides, Like, we've probably both been victims of that, right, because they.

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Speaker 4: May not like you.

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Speaker 5: Everything you say to that is a lie or nope, you're lying, you fool of shit. They don't want to hear it, right, but if they like you, right, And it's so frustrating when someone is light, they get believed for things that may or may not be true.

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Speaker 4: We've all seen that, yep.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And when you're the one that's on the opposite end of that, it's so frustrating because the more you fight it and say no but she they're like, oh, you're being a hater, you're jealous. Up there you go again.

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Speaker 3: This should go again whole time. To Wanda, what happened to the thirty five K baby? Like there was there was a scene where they're arguing where Twanda kind of stumbles through an admission that she took thirty five thousand dollars from her sister that never got paid.

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Speaker 2: Back, that it was a gift exactly.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, think about that that was a gift even when the phone right when she said, hey, I didn't know me and to Wanna were on the same phone plan, and I was paying for her phone until I went to go switch providers and saw that it was a family pan and I had been paying for her and Tauanta's reaction isn't to say it's untrue. It's to say, well, family takes care of family. You've been caught stealing allegedly twice in this one conversation. But we're all talking about Tamar getting deregulated because Tamar is emotionally deregulated. When you dirt to her, you're expecting the direct the spectacle of her to be a smoke screen for you to hide your dirty deeds.

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Speaker 2: So where do we think all of this cons fronts?

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Speaker 1: Because you know, I want to get into one more social media thing and then we'll get into the episode that bled into what happened last week.

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Speaker 2: So when we talk about being gas lit.

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Speaker 1: The audience saw recently Claudia and Blue that Trina Braxton commented on kay Michelle's social media posts and the bread and the you know listen, the Tamar.

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Speaker 2: Fans and maybe even non fans decided to really talk about it.

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Speaker 1: So I want to make sure that I get things accurate when I read you guys, uh this tweet? Okay, So I mean the common brother. So Key Michelle is posting her music. Trina Braxon goes, you know, I love country music. Kay Michelle goes, come see me, Trina d m me. I'll set it up. The album is great. The reason why a lot of people had a big reaction to this is because unless you be living on the diplomouth rock, it is well known that Kay Michelle and Tamar have had a very strenuous public beef right is and and a lot of things have occurred recently. When it came to these two going back and forth by commenting on cay Michelle's post, the fans saw that as Trina being passive aggressive, and that was a disc towards her sister Tae Mar Claudia, you haven't famous since I was a little gay boy watching teen Summit. Okay, you to say and look and look and looks the same recipez of Nonda Lewis.

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Speaker 2: You've been famous for more than three decades.

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Speaker 1: You're also on social media, and the reason why I want to bring up your celebrity is because I feel like you especially know sort of like the dudes and don't on social media, and how when you're on social media you kind of know what you're doing when you do certain things. Do you think Trina, commenting on cay Michelle's post, was a passive aggressive disc to her sister Tamar.

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Speaker 5: I'm in such a good place with all of them, finally know, but yes I do.

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's no secret the history.

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Speaker 2: I remember.

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Speaker 5: I was in New York one time and I saw came Michelle out at the height of the me and Tamar when we weren't getting along, and came Michelle gave me air full and I it was very clear where she felt like they are not cool, right of course, of course, of course, of course, of course.

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Speaker 4: I mean you know that like.

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Speaker 5: If I if someone that you know, one of my friends, and I fell out with them and they go on social media and they're like kind of like playing nice or flirting with, or inviting or hollering at or liking my arch enemy.

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Speaker 4: Of course I know what that is. Like, that's a no brainer. Yes, yes it is.

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Speaker 5: And I don't want to rush and just be like, just demonize all the sisters. This is outside of Tamar, this is long standing. I'm sure they both have valid arguments. I'm sure if we sat down with tamarw she could say this one did this to me, and this one did that to me, and then this one did this to me.

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Speaker 4: These are sisters, they have a long history, and I bet you we sat down with.

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Speaker 5: All of them to want all of them could have, depending on who you get it from, will have legitimate, in their eyes reasons for why they don't fool with that sets or why they're angry at why they're hurt. I don't know what came first, the chicken, all the egg, is what I'm saying. And it's so easy to just like take a side, which is so hard because we are not in that family.

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Speaker 4: But we do know that there was definitely beef.

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Speaker 5: There is a lot of passive aggressiveness going on, and yeah, of course, yeah, it was definitely uh a dig at Tamar.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, I think sin is being embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: Her biggest sin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a I did some research. There is an old episode of My Life or something where it's Tony and Tamar and Carlo Shirley. But you know how Libris care about beautiful optics?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay and just so okay, because because Tony Braxett is a Libra, go Ahead Blue, they.

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Speaker 3: Had a whole album named that, there and everything, And so they asked Tony, seriously, what is your gripe with Tamar? What is your issue? What is your core wound with Tamar? And Tony admitted she said, I find her personality embarrassing.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And so when you're in a family that is a slave to optics and you are the embarrassing sister, whether you're being embarrassing for being emotionally regulated and acting like a braddy baby, or you're being embarrassed for telling secrets that we've all call conspired to keep to ourselves, you're the only one who's not falling in line step. And I think, yes, they all have different reasons for being upset individually granularly, but I think Tamar's biggest sin, while she's always on the apps of the family. It's because she wants to be independent, she wants to break away from the fray, and they all fall in line step with each other, even when they dishonor each other, they fall into line step. But she's like, no, my therapist told me that's toxic. Why can't we talk about it? It's bad, Like I'm on lexipro, Like why are you opportunicas Okay, it's not okay, And objectively speaking, when you are diferring from a toxic pact, you actually are trying to be healthy and being penalized for it, and you don't have the skills to be emotionally regulated, so you share it to the audience in a way that's easy to demonize.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Blue, what advice did you give Tamar? If she's watching right now, to deal number.

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Speaker 3: One, She's gonna have to acknowledge her impact right Because a lot of my clients when they come to me and they are the Tamar of the family. I have so many clients who are the Tamar. I have clients who are the Tony, and I have clients for the Twanda, And so I spend hours listening to these archetypes like Vet about each other. And the one thing I always tell the unsympathetic victim is that even though you have been misunderstood, even though people are hiding behind your persona so that they can hide their hand, you still had an adverse impact on other people. That until you allow yourself to acknowledge, they have no incentive to acknowledge your pain. And what Tamar sucks at that I think we can all agree at. She sometimes fails to acknowledge her impac She's very hyper focused on the impact that everybody has on her. It's very rare that if ever that we've heard her say, even if I don't agree about how we got here, I can see that that was hurtful. And I think they're frustrated that she's incorrigible in that her being incorrigible means that she's the one who's the most likely to break the generational curse. It also means that she's sucks a thick an accountability.

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Speaker 5: What would you give advice? What advice would you give to Towanda? I know you have something to saved by her, but what.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know how, it's fascinating. I'm with Claudia I'm I okay. So first of all, I want to make sure that the audience who may not be familiar with you Blue, understand your background. Becase when you say clients, can you briefly explain to them the work you do where you have clients of this magnitude.

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Speaker 3: So I'm a spiritualist and I'm also an emotional intelligence coach, which means I teach self mastery classes and for those who level where's you learn that from the Harvard School of Public Health? And I helped back in two thousand and three because of the moisturizes, back into zeousand than three, I helped the Harvard School of Public Health create an emotional intelligence curriculum for young people. And I recognize, Oh, I have people in my family who act like this. You mean K through twelve. I know sixty year olds who act like this. So I took what I learned from working at Harvard as an academic and I turned it into a program for adults. And I serve about five hundred clients a year.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: And how are people able to get in contact with you?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Blue Centric shop dot com. That's where you can see my manifestation candles book one on one with me, take my class. I currently have a class that's going to be going on in January. It's already almost sold out seventy five percent return rate. And I'm not just saying this to flex. I'm saying I've had people who remind me of the Braxtins come to my class, find out that they're part of the problem, be like, ohit, I thought I was just a victim, and then come back with their mothers and their sisters afterwards. I've watched whole families who act like this heal, So it's not like it's impossible for them to heal. But no one's gonna heal unless they first acknowledge their impact.

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

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Speaker 5: Do you think in this family dynamic there's one victim meaning Tamar or do you think there's multiple victims?

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Speaker 3: And I think it's all been victimized by the system, But I think there's one target rather than victim. Yeah, they're all victim having victimized by a very nasty dynamic that was set by the mother and the father. Right, So the mother and the father are actually the true unintentional villains here because there were certain things that they could have done that they didn't do. So the girls are just making it up as they go. But because people get funny when we talk about their parents didn't arm them or equip them. They've all been victimized by this toxic system. But Tamar is the target.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So before we get more in, I gotta bring on the other man of the hour, y'all, fellow aries, give it up, y'all for Dustin See.

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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Speaker 6: What's up? I love you too? Baby?

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Speaker 8: Y'all know me in Blue? First of all, Hello Quaudia, Hello Carlos. It's going to do much like the spirit of resolution for the Braxtons. I was running late. So, hey, you.

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Speaker 4: Have a friend.

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Speaker 6: No, I have rough allergies.

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Speaker 8: Actually, I wish I had a story for you about me gallivanting around New York City and having trysts and telling secrets that I can't talk about here.

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Speaker 6: And I want to hear a galli.

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Speaker 4: I want to hear some gallivantation.

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Speaker 8: You want to hear the gallivante. You want to read out the book of Gallivantations. Okay, that's what you want to do. Okay, Blue I love you. How you doing I'm doing so well.

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing to Dustin. Every time somebody would talk about Dustin. Before I met Dustin, I'd been like, what is he like? And they'd be like, that's a man, and.

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Speaker 6: Whenever, that's my girl. Man.

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Speaker 2: But you said that.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm glad Blue gets to join us as we spend time recaping the braxt and so Dustin, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Catch you up on things.

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Speaker 1: We are diving into the personality traits before we even go into tonight's episode that aired. So Claudia asked a very important question.

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Speaker 2: And Blue was cooking.

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Speaker 1: Blue you you mentioned that all of the sisters are victims and that the unintentional villains are the mother are the parents last week's episode. What I did say to Claudia Dustin, because look, I have nine siblings, so it's ten of us and Blue you're ready for this. I'm the middle child. I'm a Libra, I'm number five of ten.

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Speaker 3: Okay, because kardash and we'll continue.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kim Kardashian. Yeah, you're the Kim.

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Speaker 3: Kardashian from what you're explaining.

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Speaker 4: And you're the rich one too.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, no worry a.

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Speaker 2: My Kim Kardashian the family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you are, you are.

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Speaker 4: Family.

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Speaker 3: He likes what you pretty.

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Speaker 1: I want you, I want I want her to explain it before.

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Speaker 2: I move on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Kim, You're You're shiny from the middle. You're the one who was able to break away from the fray while still being family minded, and you're the shining one who brings blessing to the rest of the family.

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Speaker 8: There she goes, spinning facts like she always do.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a sex Hey, Carlos, I know, h now listen, listen because because I about the guy got real quick.

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Speaker 1: I always knew I was gonna be from the camera and everything I did in my life, I said no because I don't want that to back to Hally now that I'm perfect. But like, that was what thing Claudia that even like if me and my ex African would do something, we would watch it and I would immediately delete it and I would delete the deleted folder and I.

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Speaker 2: Would burn the Okay, well that's fact, but enough about me. Last week's episode, Claudia so funny.

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Speaker 1: Last week's episode, I did share with Dusty Claudia that again middle child often kids. The mother told Tony Braxton. Who's the oldest and she's a libra. Tony Braxton's the oldest of six kids, five boys.

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Speaker 2: Three girls.

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Speaker 1: They were in a girl group that was formed by the mother. She raised them to be the female version of the Jackson Five.

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Speaker 2: Five sisters. Okay La Reid saw the sisters.

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Speaker 1: And handpicked Tony Braxton and said, I only want you.

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Speaker 2: The other four were for all thetis and purposes rejected.

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Speaker 1: Tony has said out of her own mouth in plenty of interviews that anytime she achieved something as a solo star, her mother would say, that's fine, but don't forget about your sisters. She also said her biggest regret is doing the Braxton's family values because of the drama that came about with that being said, what are your thoughts on knowing that information? As you say that the sisters are just trying to figure things out because were they based on that? Did their mother not do the greatest job? But when it came to making sure the sisters all support each other. Despite Tony being selected as a solo star, I.

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Speaker 3: Made a list. I didn't make a list of the archetypes that the sisters are present. Wow, it's very quick right, Tony is the superstar eldest daughter. Anybody who knows what an eldest daughter is means that you've been adultified, right, Like the adultification of young black girls is a very very spoken on topic, which means you're robbed of something in order to make that those that come after you are okay, yep, And so there's a certain level of exhaustion that comes with that, inherently regardless of your character. Number two, we have funny enough Tamar. Tamar is the unsympathetic victim. She's the extreme opposite. She's the baby who recognized I'm the last of these six children. I have to do what I need to do to get attention. And so in her mind, unless I do something, no one's paying me any mind. And they have fed into that because they only include her when she's in trouble, and so subconsciously you think, if I'm making a raw row, they're gonna pay attention to me. Right. If you watch old videos of the Braxes when they were all including Tony, Tony would be dancing. The only person dancing as hard as Tony would be Tamar, the eldest and the youngest. We already see what that's happening. And here's the thing too about and I wonder if she's been fully diagnosed as a high functioning autistic woman. When people lie, my brain starts to scream. They're lying, they're lying, they're lying. My therapist had to work through emotional regulation. And so I often say that Tamar is the most annoying and the most honest, because the little girl in her who wants attention also is screaming like Paul Revere. But there's a fire over there. There's a fire over there, and they're like, Tamar, shut up. We're at church. We're not gonna talk about that now. So the eldest have been taught to hush and keep it cute. But she's getting attention by screaming out the thing that is happening in an inconvenient moment so she can get attention. Then we have Trina, who I call the complicit sidekick m Her thing is that she knows and if she plays the middle in the way that Kim and Carlos didn't, if she plays the middle by being everybody's sidekick, right, everybody's yes man, who she's like vodka, anybody who's around her, she takes on their flavor, laving her own. But whatever you got elevated Trina and vodka for acting right. She's a complicit sidekicks. I watch the show too, Claudia boots and then, oh god, this is gonna hurt my heart. I'm not gonna speak on the dead, so I'm gonna skip over to Twanda. And this is where things get trigated. This think where things get real treaty. Twanda thought that she was going to be the one who I couldn't be the prettiest, I couldn't be the shiniest, I couldn't be the most talented, but I can be the reliable one to be the one that because I'm always of service, I have been transactionally showing my value. So when the optics for the public say that I'm not the superstar, my family feels codependent on me. She is will be called a stoic manipulator because the first thing she says when you displease her is not too much. I know where the body are buried. That she says that way too quickly.

00:28:51
Speaker 6: She gets the fat.

00:28:53
Speaker 3: She'll help you, but weaponize that help when you inconvenience her kind of me either, because the thing is Tawanda Broxton has never done anything for anybody that we haven't heard about repeatedly. Never. Trina even said in the last episode, well, Taunta's always been upset that you know, she's always there for everybody, but no, why's there for her? That's a cute story. It's a story. And what makes me sad is Tajuanta thought that she was going to be second. Nobody banked on Tamar being the breakout star in the longest running black led reality show in history. Nobody banked on the outlier being second to the superstar. And there's an inherent did I say this not resentment, but it's starting to turn into hatred. There's an underlying resentment that the sisters have that has grown heaviest in Tuanda because Towanda keeps trying to shame Tamar and the one thing we can all agree on is Tamar box and the shameless. Usually I can use shame to shut people up, but this one can't be shamed. I'll let you put the money or down payment of my house. Else I'll have my family on your family plan, on your phone and not.

00:30:03
Speaker 6: Pay you back for six years.

00:30:06
Speaker 3: Don't you dare get out of line hole because you're the annoying one that nobody likes and I'm the one that everybody needs.

00:30:14
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta pro.

00:30:21
Speaker 3: I'm on. I'm onto you.

00:30:23
Speaker 8: Yeah, she broke all that down. We on you, Twanda, and who in the hell is scratchy? I'm still on that, you know what I'm say. I've been thinking since last week. Damn it, I got thoughts. You know what I'm saying. I'm sired of all of that, Towanda. Let me just say this, since we're talking about who they are and how they're showing up in his sisterhood, right.

00:30:46
Speaker 6: Towanda, literally I'm blue.

00:30:49
Speaker 8: You don't even know the dimes you just dropped, right, because, just as you describe the way you described Tony superstared, Tamar's popularity as well as natural inclination to be busy because she's always seeking attention, right, it's two other sisters currently that sit in the middle, and that's Trina and Twuanda that haven't done as much to garner the attention, right, And I think that that the couple with ego and you know a couple other things that are natural but maybe not the most healthy have contributed to the way that they look at each other, Twanda. They all have an opportunity, though, to showcase the most robust parts of their lives on this television show. Right, we watch Twanda go through, I mean, step by step, moment by moment, every thought, feeling concerned, napping, invitation, centerpiece. We watched every detail of this wedding planning, right, but we breeze through what a two minute scene about her working as an actor and as a producer and a director on a film. You know what I'm saying. We skip. We really that was one scene. But we're on episode four and we still play in this wedding. She's still singing when she talks about the wedding, the wedding, everything that she talks about with the wedding, she sings. That's the most singing she hadn't done since there was the Braxtons, you.

00:32:15
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.

00:32:15
Speaker 8: And I've just been thinking about that and thinking about that, because I definitely believe that it heavily contributes to what we witnessed at that dinner table during that scene. Then willing to go solo, all the willingness to expose this and expose that you trying to literally move Tamar down a peg and not in the way that she needs to be right, because she definitely does.

00:32:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said I don't. God has helped me. You said, I don't argue with sick people. Yeah, objectively speaking, you're the broke bald one. So like I need everybody to pan out, because.

00:32:53
Speaker 8: Ma'am, it is what it is with them shoes on too. Did y'all see them them Bobby Socks and Mary James that Tawanda had on when it was going on a yacht. She just be doing anything and I think that.

00:33:04
Speaker 6: Dookie Brown and purple Dookie Doo Dooo, Doodoo Brown, go go, that's what it is. Sut up.

00:33:19
Speaker 2: Not to stop, y'all because I want you to finish.

00:33:21
Speaker 1: I want to go record saying that Claudia Jordan is still playing the role of Carlos King for the first time.

00:33:28
Speaker 2: She is trying not to laugh. She is Clauda.

00:33:32
Speaker 4: Y'all got me in a weird position right now.

00:33:35
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, y'all got me.

00:33:37
Speaker 4: I'm trying I'm Carlos right now. Let's have a.

00:33:41
Speaker 3: Shame the devil tell THEO.

00:33:48
Speaker 2: I have done that. I have done, Claudia bite her tug. Claia doesn't feel good? Does it do?

00:33:58
Speaker 6: To be?

00:33:58
Speaker 3: Like?

00:34:00
Speaker 6: I don't have.

00:34:03
Speaker 5: I don't have such a negative take on Towanda.

00:34:07
Speaker 6: I don't. Yeah, I don't.

00:34:09
Speaker 5: And I'm going to hear maybe because I'm new to the party, but I just don't like. And I was at the wedding. It didn't look like shit, it looked good. So I'm just like, I'm not jumping in on that and just just to go along because I don't feel that way and the whole point of being Yeah, and I'm not that deep in like I'm new to the show. I need watching, So I don't know the deep, long the roots of a lot of this stuff. I'm just coming in this season like I'm fresh. I'm just going by what I see in real life and who's been night like, who I've had issues with or who've been cool with. Yeah, so I'm trying to like be Braxton.

00:34:42
Speaker 3: Has, by by the way, agrees with me. The late great Tracy Braxton has been on the record saying what I'm saying right now. So let's let's just say as a matter of because I'm good at not getting sued legally speaking, There is a scene of Tracy Braxton literally years ago before she passed away, saying, Twanda, you act like you're helping everybody, but you'd be the one who be thrown rocks and hide in your like. Tracy literally called her out on this. I made sure when I had this theory that I traced it through facts, because I did watch the first ten seasons and then to blast her off. So I've been a longtime fan for over a decade, and I've been watching and watching and watching. And we all know that person who helps you just so they can keep you in line. We all know that girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they're supposed to be likable. What's the first thing I said when Ruby what's her face? His mother was found for Stockholm? You remember remember Ruby Rose, and she her mother passed away because we found out that her mother was abusing her to help her. To be applauded for helping her. Right the first time people said this, you would have never thought she was so loving, she was so caring. You would have never thought stoic manipulators are supposed to be hard to believe when they are called out, because the helpfulness is louder than the manipulation.

00:35:48
Speaker 5: Well, I hope to get to know these like this, like the psychology of it all throughout this season, you know, like I'm coming I'm the newbie, like I'm coming in this like okay, I'm learning this like week by week.

00:36:00
Speaker 4: Okay, I am going by you know.

00:36:02
Speaker 5: I just would hear stuff about them or little limited reactions or actions. I'd have interactions with them when I be out, so I'm seeing all the stuff like through kind of fresh eyes, like damn, okay, all.

00:36:13
Speaker 1: Right, no, Which is why your your pob Claudia is important because listen, all four of us have our very different opinions and views of the show.

00:36:23
Speaker 2: The three of us have been watching us since season one.

00:36:25
Speaker 1: Claudia has been in the industry, like I said, for a very long time, so she has interaction with these people.

00:36:29
Speaker 2: Claudia, before I listen, I.

00:36:32
Speaker 1: Want to hear a lot about Blues opinion about Tony Braxton not going to Twanda's bridal shower and her reaction to that, and then in this night's episode, her reaction when Tony said it's Tamar invited. So before we get into that, Claudia, you and Tamar did College Hill together, celebrity college here.

00:36:58
Speaker 2: I'm sorry College Hill. Well last year, it aired last year.

00:37:02
Speaker 1: But y'all taped it in twenty twenty three, right, yeah, but it aired last year.

00:37:09
Speaker 5: Though, No, we filmed it in like I think February and air the same year.

00:37:14
Speaker 1: Okay, So last year you were in the same house with Tamar Braxton.

00:37:19
Speaker 2: You spent a month with her.

00:37:24
Speaker 1: What can you share with us just about like your time being spent because Blue obviously is really doing a deep dive base on the historical nature of their sisterhood from birth until now. You're the only one that I know personally that has had that long of a time with her in the house word show. What are your thoughts on this and what people are saying about Tamar? You know whether or not you know she is to blame for something like this.

00:37:59
Speaker 5: So before we did College Show, like listen, it's no secret there were years that Tamor and I did not fuck with each other.

00:38:04
Speaker 4: Okay, it was like it goes way back.

00:38:06
Speaker 5: We did a show called Tiny Tonight and things went left on that show and I actually left the set in tears.

00:38:11
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, I can't fucking do the show.

00:38:13
Speaker 5: Like it was like that It was really really bad, and it was like carried out over to social media and it was years and years and years, and I was like, damn, I don't even have a history with this lady, you know what I mean? Like it was crazy, and thank God foxhol we end up having her come on and then we squashed it as much as we could on camera, so it was already the blow was already softened by the time I got in the house, So it wasn't I wasn't worried about it when I got there. It was actually we had a good interaction. We actually had great conversations on the show. From what I can see about her, she definitely is the youngest, right, like you know how like the baby of the family. Like they definitely want attention, they definitely want to win everything, and when they don't win, I do feel like she gets upset about things, you know. But I think if you recognize that and someone you can like work with them or deal with them or understand them more than just writing somebody off like where they come from, you know.

00:39:07
Speaker 4: Like I think it's when you.

00:39:08
Speaker 5: Have that many sisters, I would imagine I'm the oldest, I'm the oldest, so I'm like, I was the adult right away, right when you're when you're in that position, I see how it's like it's like what about me? What about what I think? And I want to be heard? And I definitely saw that with her, But when like there wasn't an audience around and it was like one on one, so sweet, so cool, so like I love. I had really enjoyed my time with her, and I got to see a different side that I would have never known had I didn't have a how I didn't have the had I not had that experience. So me before, I'm going by what I see on the real, what I see on social media, what I see in clips where you're like, oh, that's a lot, right, and it's easy to jump on that. That's a lot bandwagon, And I think we all can probably say that, like I know, you know, people that don't know me probably have really negative things to say about me. But then one on one is so much different. It's so much different when I want it's so much different when the noise of everybody else's.

00:40:01
Speaker 4: Opinions are not in the room.

00:40:04
Speaker 5: And I'm glad I had to have that, you know, because I got to see things a little differently. But I can see how it's easy to go against her or to believe the worst from some of the surface antics. Right, the loudness, the this, the that, those aren't really character things.

00:40:23
Speaker 4: That's the personality, I guess right, it's not really.

00:40:25
Speaker 5: Like So I can see how it'd be easy to be demonized for those things.

00:40:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what I'll say too is, listen, I I've had you know, I'm friends with Tamar. That's that's that's publicly known, and she's been on my podcast. I did an interview with Towanda, who I love and enjoy that's now going viral again because a lot of people are right blue TikTok, they are clipping my Towanda interview.

00:40:51
Speaker 2: So I love the family.

00:40:53
Speaker 1: I don't know Tony Braxton and I am meaning personally, and I don't know Trina personally at all all. But what I will say about the two of them, but I will say about Timar is this. Obviously, I'm somebody that loves big personalities.

00:41:09
Speaker 6: I just.

00:41:12
Speaker 3: Carlos No.

00:41:20
Speaker 1: So listen, it's no secret that I am friends with Tamar and I I'm in love with her. I love her, I love her. I haven't had a bad experience with her. Ever, me and her had disagreements, as friends do. But one thing I will say about her that I agree with Claudia that doesn't get shown a lot. And it's funny because she made this joke once because she tweeted something this is like last year and it went viral and she called me and she said, you saw what happened? I said, yes, why did you post that?

00:41:54
Speaker 6: She said?

00:41:54
Speaker 2: And she deleted it. She said, Carlos, I forget that. I'm fathoits. Sometimes I'm like, you're hilarious.

00:42:00
Speaker 1: So what I will say is she is conscious when things do go left, and she is somebody who in my opinion based on my conversations with her personally, she is somebody and I've seen it happen. And I spoke to her honestly like the other day and we had a conversation, and what I said to her was, I really do feel the growth that you are exemplifying, and I can't wait for the world to continue seeing that. Listen, You're only as good as your last episode as a reality star. And I do think when it comes to this show, she now is going through the PTSD of what she had to experience when it was filming and deal with the aftermath of it. And I think with Towanda's this my interview with Towanda, and I've had conversation with Towanda two not recently, and Tomanda, to me is somebody who I do think what Blue is saying did rely a lot on being the reliable one, and whether or not she used that as manipulation, you know, I think, you know, obviously the family can talk about that, but I do think when you come from a big family, you do subconsciously take on these archetypes. You really do, you really do, and it is a lot of times how you identify yourself and what you are rewarded for your characteristics as a youth. And that's why for me, I wanted to bring up because this to me, and I wonder if the three you called in this episode, this to me was the most fascinating a part of the episode because to me, it did talk about all the things that Blue is breaking down. When Tomanda learned that Tamar wasn't coming to Mexico, she obviously wasn't happy and she felt like nobody's here from me.

00:44:02
Speaker 2: Tony didn't come either.

00:44:06
Speaker 1: She dident'ifyed Tony to the Bridgeton party and Tony did not come there either. And what's funny is there's a viral clip that's on line, uh party.

00:44:18
Speaker 3: City, Risidon Seana ryans hat got nothing do with that that.

00:44:24
Speaker 6: It ain't even that blue.

00:44:25
Speaker 8: There's a there's a tweet going around friend where somebody clipped that scene where Towanda was on the phone with Tony and she was letting her know she wasn't coming to the to the bridal show when they were at the bridle shop looking at the dresses.

00:44:40
Speaker 6: Somebody clipped it.

00:44:41
Speaker 8: I wish I had the tweet save as I would credit the person, but they clipped it and rolled.

00:44:46
Speaker 6: Uh.

00:44:47
Speaker 8: All the Twanda friends looked so sad, like she had promised him they was gonna get to meet Tony.

00:44:52
Speaker 6: And that was.

00:44:54
Speaker 3: Literally on my notes Dustin, literally that was yes.

00:44:59
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it, but okay, let's talk about that.

00:45:02
Speaker 1: But the reason why I say all of this was fascinating is because Tony not coming. I didn't feel the reaction match Tamar and that's only there for Tony.

00:45:13
Speaker 3: According to Tauanta's friends, like the wedding is over apparently.

00:45:17
Speaker 2: So Breaka down blue for me at Claudia and dust a child because.

00:45:22
Speaker 3: I will say this, I do not have any ire against Twanta Braxton. I'm counter balancing her pr to make it because Tamar is not the devil in Twanta is not an angel. That's what I was.

00:45:31
Speaker 6: I just want to put that hand being ray because I want to make a note.

00:45:35
Speaker 8: Right number one, we're talking about Braxton's right, this is some family ship, right, and so it go is It's so difficult almost to offer commentary on it because it's such a personal matter, right, anything that goes on with them's family shit.

00:45:52
Speaker 6: Another thing that I want to know.

00:45:54
Speaker 8: Because I see we just had a discourse, and not a discourse, we just talked about who they are in their personality.

00:46:00
Speaker 6: Thes Ryan.

00:46:00
Speaker 8: Claudia recalled your experience working with Tamarrow on College Hill. Carlos, you recalled your friendship with tamaraw how she showed up to you. Because Tamar Braxton has been in numerous conflicts confrontations that have been public, right, people have people have painted a picture of who she is based on that, and they don't really judge her based.

00:46:27
Speaker 6: On the circumstance anymore.

00:46:29
Speaker 8: Right, Because there's been so many occurrences people now feel like she's a messy person. She's dedicated to drama and mess so anytime you hear a story involving her, you can count on her to play that role. That's really not fair to her, right, because things are different each circumstance, each situation is totally different one to the next, and people should be given a fair shot, right, So I do think we should give her grace for that. I also want to make the note that this is not a show where we are deciding which Braxton we like and which one we don't. Right, we don't have that responsibility in this conversation to determine whether or not Tamar is good or bad, you know what I'm saying. We're talking about what happened on this damn show, and because it's family shit, the historical context matters. It's relevant, right, because there's a timeline that has brought.

00:47:18
Speaker 6: Them to these determinations.

00:47:20
Speaker 8: But us in the commentatory space, I don't feel that we have to carry the load of deciding who's good or bad amongst them or whatever. We're just talking about. We calling it like we see it, based on what was on the show. A lot of people will take because we're talking about Tamar and we're talking about Twanda, just like if we were talking about the rap girls. You know what I'm saying, people would take whatever we say and clip it, make it, you know, form it, shape shifted to fit whatever narrative. I just want to be clear that this is not a conversation, nor was last week or any other week we talk about this shit. It was not our you know, time or choice to bash any of them. We have opinions based on what we saw on the show, and that's what we're talking about.

00:48:02
Speaker 5: It will one hundred percent be perceived that way as it is tam our side and I'm not, and it's gonna be like it and it's not.

00:48:12
Speaker 8: We shouldn't have to say.

00:48:14
Speaker 4: On College Hill and tell calls me talking.

00:48:16
Speaker 5: Just remind me of something I was impressed when I was doing College Hill with Tamar that things I thought that would.

00:48:23
Speaker 2: Set her off.

00:48:24
Speaker 5: It's almost like she has done some work right, and I could tell where I would be like bracing myself, like, oh, she about to go to funk off.

00:48:33
Speaker 4: And she didn't.

00:48:34
Speaker 5: And she would tell us repeatedly, I'm trying to work on myself. I'm trying to do better, and I have to give credit for that because being aware of it. First of all, nobody ever wants to admit that they even have anything wrong with them, especially on TV when you got a bunch of fans kissing your ass all the time, and then to say it on camera as well. She did say it, and I did see her almost like you know, when you're like trying to all right one to like doing a countdown in your head to kind of calm yourself down. And she did do that, and I appreciated that because I braced myself for the you know, the version that I dealt with before, and she wasn't like that. I will say she was definitely actively working on herself on the process in the month we there, because there were things that she dealt with that I wouldn't ever want to deal with, Like she she.

00:49:20
Speaker 4: Had a roommate her in Santana.

00:49:22
Speaker 5: Santana light the room really really cold, Tama want the room really really hot, and she dealt with that for like thirty days when that would make anyone kind of snap. And I saw her patience and I saw her I saw some evolution there, and I do think a lot of times, we don't like to give.

00:49:38
Speaker 4: People on television grace for evolution.

00:49:41
Speaker 5: Once we decide who they are, damn it, that's who they are for the entirety of their career.

00:49:46
Speaker 4: Nope, because back in two.

00:49:49
Speaker 5: Thousand and nine you said this, so you are forever that and we don't do that. But we expect that for ourselves, right, and realize we expect people to like allow us to grow up or to so I want to point that out, like I want to some positivity to that as well.

00:50:04
Speaker 4: And I was impressed with that.

00:50:06
Speaker 3: I will say this. I mentioned it to you and Carlos before we started that a friend, a mutual of Tamar's, and I was trying to develop a show with us and a third party, and I said, hey, has Tamar seen me? Does she know how I talk?

00:50:18
Speaker 6: Like?

00:50:18
Speaker 3: Is she aware of what you're doing? And then he said, no, she loves that You're so sincere. And I had just been an episode where I had humanized someone that the audience was beating up on. Right, So as a person, the fact that she knows that I am blunt, but trusted that because I was humanizing people, that we could work together. That was when I was like, it's tam I working on herself, because nobody who's not working on themselves would be able to even strugg me rights. I have to give you some flowers, Dustin. Did y'all see what Dustin just did. We were having a critical analysis about the behavior of the Braxtons, and something in him internally said, let's also make sure that we are under scoring the compassion. The fact that we have yet to see that happen amongst her sisters the entire season. Is my point, something that is natural to complete strangers on a commentary show is still not happening with your own family. So we can't talk about the family business, but we can talk about what happens when the family fails you continuously.

00:51:20
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, and that's all it is.

00:51:23
Speaker 6: Man.

00:51:24
Speaker 8: I actually was surprised at some of the reactions and some of the conversations I saw surrounding this, because people immediately were kind of like, they're not listening to Tamar in this situation as having a conversation.

00:51:38
Speaker 6: People knew that and like her hater, Like I said, I just try.

00:51:42
Speaker 8: To keep it on the show shit, because I have my opinions on her and different choices and behaviors that she's exhibited and shit, she's done.

00:51:50
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

00:51:51
Speaker 8: But it's not personal for me, and so I just wanted to offer that note, that's all, and thank you for clocking that boot like you always do, my girl, you know what I'm saying. But that's a real thing, man. At the end of the day, it's a black family were talking about. I don't think any of them are without fault, you know what I'm saying. Everybody contributed to, including Tony. You know, she might be the shortest one. She got something to say too, So everybody has contributed to, you know what I'm saying, the state of affairs, and now that being said, we are going to talk about it, and we are going to identify what we, you know, feel based on what we saw. And although I think that Tamar has not been given the floor in the capacity that she needed, you know what I'm saying, when it comes to her sisters and what they need to talk about, Tamar also bears a lot of responsibility in this because she willingly allows things to just go completely off the rails. And there's never been a conversation more important out of all of the conflicts that we've been privy to her having publicly, there's never been one that was more deserving of patience, more deserving of taking a beat before you respond and really thinking about what's going on in this one with her and our sisters, and I wish that we would have saw Tamar like do that for one time.

00:53:06
Speaker 6: I wish we would have seen it.

00:53:07
Speaker 8: Although yeah, we have seen progress, I guess, and yes she has been different than she was previously, but these are fucking sisters, you know what I'm saying, And based on what they were talking about, I just would have liked to see her handle it differently because she was right. That's why she had a bag full of you know what I'm saying. She had a hot bag at that table, She had ceasing desists in their phone bills and shit, you know what I'm saying, all kinds of stuff.

00:53:32
Speaker 6: She was scared.

00:53:33
Speaker 3: That's one thing I will say is when people are triggered, we have to take logic off the table, because being triggered is an illogical mindset. When you're triggered, you're not being logical, You're time traveling to the past to something that hurts you. And justin I'm not sure if you were here when I said it earlier about how the thing about Ashley was twofold. Nobody does things for one reason. It's a document nature, right. We are all people who are used to the industry. We can produce content about something we sincerely care about while still thinking like producers, and us being producers doesn't make us insincere. Some people act like just because Tamar knows how to produce that she can't also simultaneously be sincere, which is doesn't make sense. I think that Ashley triggers her because watching Ashley be silenced and then and then cast away by the family reminds her of what she believes happened to her. Something happened to Ashley, and at a moment allegedly where Ashley should have expected the family to wrap their arms around her, they instead shamed her and pushed her away. And so when Tamar says Ashley, Tamar is thinking about baby Tamar, and that's why she almost doesn't interchangeably. The argument at the table was about Ashley, but Tamar was like, you're doing it again. The thing you did to me, you're doing it to my niece. Now you're doing it again. So yes, I want to get clicks producing it on my show. But also what do we always say, be the person who you didn't have when you were growing up, and when that's what I want to.

00:54:55
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying.

00:54:56
Speaker 5: But one thing that run me the wrong way, and Cam, I don't get man hit it was it became about y'all trying to ruin my business, and fuck that it should not no say what it is like say it's about Ashley, not about the business, because then it took a little bit of steam out of that, you know what I mean?

00:55:16
Speaker 3: Like I felt like that they're not there. But the thing what I'm saying is they're not separate there to her in the brain. They don't get separated like that. That's logic. Again. The way it happens when you have trauma is that what y'all did to Ashley is what y'all did to me. And y'all resent that I was the breakout star and y'all trying to fuck up my business and this is another way that you're trying to fuck up my business. It's not separate like that. We keep on wanting the human experience to be compartmentalized. That's not how the human brain works. When something triggers you, it's like tangled chords in the back of a TV set, not you and Ashley and me being the breakout star and you guys resenting me and to one of throwing rocks and taking money from me and hiding her hand, and it all becomes one big ball that's happened to all of us be out in the moment, and then later be like, I know I was mad about this, but now that I'm recognizing.

00:55:59
Speaker 2: I was mad about everything gets gets brought up. Is that the reason why? Is that the reason why for me?

00:56:05
Speaker 1: Because going back to Towanda, because I do want to be able to have all of us have a healthy discussion because Towanda is getting dragged on social media. And you know how I feel about reality stars. I think, like Dustin said, keep it to the show, a lot of y'all doing the most with it, and I don't think it's fair to her, Like if you want to talk.

00:56:24
Speaker 2: About what she did on the show, fine cook.

00:56:26
Speaker 1: But I think when you, I think, when people are doing extreme bullying, I don't like to see it.

00:56:32
Speaker 2: But I also, oh girl, they they.

00:56:36
Speaker 4: Are dragging her. It's actulutely yeah, that's.

00:56:38
Speaker 2: Why I like, it's really bad and I don't want to want.

00:56:43
Speaker 5: To I can look everything too far.

00:56:47
Speaker 1: So what I want to do is this because I agree when you talk about the hierarchy and the reason why I want to go back to the way Tony is positioned in this family of sisters. So look when you say, you know, jokingly, I'm the kim kid my family. What I will say, and I'm being honest, and I told this it doesn't Callia last week. My siblings don't treat me that way. They don't give a fuck about what I do. They like you Carlos, right. But but what I what I saw with the disappointment, not just by her friends.

00:57:32
Speaker 2: I do want us to laugh. That was funny. They all did look disappointed.

00:57:36
Speaker 1: Whatever somebody said, they were problems and degree I digress.

00:57:41
Speaker 3: It was a Chris.

00:57:45
Speaker 2: Foul.

00:57:47
Speaker 1: It's when Tony then came and when when when they when they had the boat, that didn't go to they have a boat, and then Tony showed up being told being Tony Braxon the superstar.

00:58:03
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I saw.

00:58:05
Speaker 1: I saw the defense and the go down immediately, even when they argue and Trina goes You're the Superstar, stop it. And one thing that I didn't talk about last week. I want to talk about.

00:58:19
Speaker 2: Is you have two sisters fighting right.

00:58:25
Speaker 1: The fact that if y'all look at the body language, Trina goes in the middle of them and puts her back towards Amar.

00:58:34
Speaker 2: When my siblings are fighting, you grab the both of them.

00:58:37
Speaker 1: It's similar to when Chloe was in the middle of Courtney and Kim literally fighting each other, and what you saw was Chloe tried to get the buff from them off of each other.

00:58:52
Speaker 2: What I thought was fascinating was this.

00:58:54
Speaker 1: There is something about Tony Braxton when it comes to the way she's try in the family, and I saw.

00:59:03
Speaker 2: It with you the Superstar Stop It.

00:59:05
Speaker 1: A lot of people are mad at Towanda per saying to Tony, would you like to press charges?

00:59:09
Speaker 3: I'm very mad about that.

00:59:10
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't talk about that.

00:59:12
Speaker 1: And then and then we saw that although based on what I've seen the five episodes, Tony has disappointed Towanda a couple of times, but a dinner I miss a child seems to make everything okay.

00:59:27
Speaker 2: And I wanted to talk to you Blue about that. What is that about?

00:59:32
Speaker 6: Lord?

00:59:32
Speaker 3: Okay? So I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm choosing my words intentionally. If you are someone, let's say, I believe everything to Wanna has ever shown us, and I'm not putting on my my equ hat. Right, If you are someone who's like the stick in the ground, is that I am the caring one. I'm the one who makes sure that everything that happens is okay, people have what they needed. There's a crisis, I'm your girl, right, I'm your girl. Crisis, I'm your girl. Tawanda Braxman, how is it that you are at what I still call the party city bridgeton a bridal thing and you get a call from Tony Braxton saying, Angie Stone has just passed away. Half of my band was on that bus with her. I'm gonna have to rework everything and have extra rehearsals to make up for this epic tragedy, the loss of a friend and now the disparaging of what's gonna supposed to be having on my show. And your first thought, as the helpful one who kids about people, right, the compassionate one, is I'm annoyed that you can't come to my party. And for me, there's these moments where Tuanda's selfishness, the part of her who wants to be constantly whatever the mass slips off. That was a mass slip off moment for me. If I got a call from Tony D. Braxton saying that Angie Stone has passed away and half the band it was going to be in my show and so I have to do rehearsals. Fuck Bridgington. In that moment, I would be worried about my sister and the tragedy that just happened. There's a selfishness that keeps poking out this season that I think the audience doesn't have the language, but it's putting a bad taste in their mouth because they feel bamboozled because they used to love her. I're bullying, but I do agree that they're responding to something that is a massive is slipping and everybody takes some kind of responsibility for that sum and that alone disgusted me.

01:01:15
Speaker 5: Do you think it's selfishness, like just pure selfishness, or do you feel like she's always like okay, she's probably.

01:01:21
Speaker 4: Feeling like the middle sisters. I feel like the invisible ones.

01:01:24
Speaker 5: Right, You've got Tony Braxon and you've got Tamar Braxen. Right, they get the most attention, they have the most wealth. It's about them. It's it's them, right, And you're the one that feels overlooked. You're already addressed how she probably isn't like the attractive one all that other stuff that goes along with that, right, And yeah, probably some selfishness, but also what about me? She probably always feels like an act thought, always feels kind of cast aside, always feels like she's.

01:01:49
Speaker 4: You know, you can like not show up to her.

01:01:51
Speaker 6: Shit.

01:01:51
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to be not double's advocate, but I'm just trying to think about how.

01:01:54
Speaker 3: She's an advocate for this. And the answer to your question is you just describe selfish with three different languages. It's all selfish. So one of the things we teach in class is that people pleasers are liars because being a people pleaser means I'm gonna do whatever it takes to be liked. Oh, so the premise is already selfish. I'm gonna do whatever it takes to be Like whenever a client says to me, blue, my heart is so big, my heart is so big, I'm so generous, I'm so loving, nobody's ever there for me. I'm Jesus Christ. I'm about to levitate. I say, those are all pretty ways of saying you suck at setting boundaries, take responsibility. And so the thing about Twanda is I understand that she loves her family. I think they all love each other, which is why they're in so much pain. But even that, the feet is story of it's oh well, how come nobody? That's part of the selfish I'm sorry. You have to get to a point where you have to say, what's about me? It's going to be about me, what's about you? It's going to be about you. And I know how to advocate to get what I need. But when you constantly let people rely on you and don't ask for what you want until you are complaining and holding it against their head, there's a thing called fog, fear, obligation, and guilt. Tuanta lives fog. Anything you do for Towanda is because you're scared of that narrative. She is wielding it above you. Trina's family was going through their own thing with a husband having some cardiovascular issues. She was worried that her husband could die of a cardiac arrest and she still didn't feel safe enough to tell Towanda because of that very narrative. That narrative is the loudest part of her selfishness. I'm gonna use this. Nobody's there for me to guilt you into doing things even when you ain't got it. You think, you know why when I don't have it, I don't advocate for myself. So when you don't have it, you're not allowed to advocate for yourself either. That is selfish.

01:03:30
Speaker 8: I mean, she's been saying that from I know, Claudia, you had mentioned that you just started watching this season, but people that have been watching film the beginning. Tuanta's been saying that for years. She's been I said, I don't want to say using that. I don't want to say using that right, but she's been saying that for years, that she's always there for everybody.

01:03:46
Speaker 6: Ain't nobody there for her.

01:03:47
Speaker 2: She also said it another country off Dustin.

01:03:50
Speaker 1: She did set on my podcast because Dustin was going viral on TikTok.

01:03:55
Speaker 2: I asked her. I said, people.

01:03:57
Speaker 1: Think you're you're the real villain, and well, people are clocking they're saying instead of saying, no, I'm not the villain. Or yes I am, they're saying. Towanda's response to Carlos King was, well, if I'm the villain, how am I the most reliable?

01:04:14
Speaker 2: How how I was?

01:04:15
Speaker 1: How am I the villain when I offered to carry Tamar's baby as a sarrogate? How am I the villain when I'm the one everyone calls them when they need something?

01:04:26
Speaker 2: So these are.

01:04:28
Speaker 3: Things constantly, She's constantly weaponizing her virtue. That is selfish and it is manipulative. Objectively speaking, this is not personal for me either, guys, to me these right Although I did see Tony Braxton a couple of weeks ago. She's very tiny, and she smells good but like and it was a room full of R and B singers and she's still Tony D. Braxton in a room.

01:04:52
Speaker 1: When she walk up that boat and the purple is there's something even when she got up in Tamar's face and she there is something about her.

01:05:01
Speaker 4: She has that.

01:05:02
Speaker 2: She she has the eye the t like she just she has it.

01:05:06
Speaker 1: But it's one thing to have it in the rim of celebrity. What I find fascinating is she has it in the family to me and that and that I think that's the thing that I can't put my fingers on because even when you talk about let's just say, for the argument of another family, the Jackson's and the Kardashians, right, Michael Jackson obviously gonna be.

01:05:30
Speaker 2: King of pop.

01:05:31
Speaker 1: But what I found so fascinating by, you know, listening to their stories and watching their you know, biography and stuff like that, that family never really kissed up to Michael, you know what I mean. It was sort of like, that's Michael or that's Jen and we call her we call her Dunk because she had she had a big butt. We call her Dunk. On the Kardashians, the running joke is Chem is Chris favorite, right, because I mean she is. But those sisters you saw it Courtney, Courtney has time for Kim like she has time for her, Yes, but.

01:06:08
Speaker 2: Those sisters don't bow down to Kim.

01:06:11
Speaker 4: Well.

01:06:11
Speaker 1: I find fascinating about the Braxton's dynamic is there is this halo over Tony that we see as fans. But I find it fascinating that I feel like they see it too as sisters or.

01:06:25
Speaker 5: That's like that's kind of like maybe I'm not articulating my point as as good, but I do feel like, yes, we can sit here and say all the things that this one's doing wrong and that one was everyone, But I just.

01:06:35
Speaker 4: Try to think about how they feel.

01:06:37
Speaker 5: May not be right or wrong, but like the Origin story right in your in everyone's mind, you're not doing the wrong because you have your reasons of why you behave like that, why it's selfish, whatever it is.

01:06:49
Speaker 4: But if you're always.

01:06:50
Speaker 5: Seeing someone bow down to this one and then the young one comes on that you didn't bank on, like Blue said, then she blows the fuck up. I think she feels a little insignificant. I think she feels a little invisible. So her thing be yes, I will find my lane here. I gotta find my lane somewhere. That's what it looks like to me. Yes, I didn't have the the the the long years of watching.

01:07:08
Speaker 4: I'm just looking.

01:07:09
Speaker 5: I'm coming in as a fresh pair of eyes with them. What I think is damn like I've been invisible. I feel invisible a whole life. I kind of got closed with the group that didn't work out for me.

01:07:20
Speaker 4: And then you know, like.

01:07:22
Speaker 5: I'm sure we should have never heard about the allegations of Tamar allegedly stealing a man, and we should actually equally have never heard about I pay your phone bill and even stealing from me. That should have been some shit. They protect each other. I feel like that was I hated seeing that on television. I hated that like that. It's hard to get over. Like it's an episode to us, it's their life to them, and that's just gotta hurt, you know what I mean.

01:07:47
Speaker 3: Responsibility though, Claudia, what you said was perfect. I think you have done a great job of empathizing with how she got here. My issue is, at fifty something years old, what comes next. It's not to you, but it's your responsibility to do something about it, and you have not done anything about it in twelve years. At a certain point, you're lazy.

01:08:04
Speaker 4: Now, well, I'm only five episodes in. I'll let you know.

01:08:15
Speaker 2: I gotta, I got, I got, I gotta, I got a big question. I got a big question for you for all of them.

01:08:21
Speaker 4: Actually, maybe.

01:08:24
Speaker 2: You know we all do. That's why you know we all feel bad for them.

01:08:27
Speaker 1: That's why Destin said, there's some real black family stuff, like we all we all understand how bad it is, but look, we have a job to do. We're recapping the episode. But we're doing it in a way that's thought provoking the biggest question of the evening to me that I want all of us to talk about, because yes, we talked about Tawanda the the sort of title that the world is giving her as the real villain. We talked about Tony the superstar. Well we haven't talked about that. I think needs at least another couple of minutes to talk about. Is the underdog being another superstar. One thing that a lot of people are saying, and obviously Tamar intimated this in the conversation about you all jealous of me, this grammy throat and all this stuff I did, right, No, no, no, right.

01:09:23
Speaker 3: So that's their culture. We've watched they collectively fight nasty like that and it's icky.

01:09:29
Speaker 1: So I gotta the biggest question I have is this, And I did ask Tamar this on when I did my live interview. Tamar, Okay, when Ellie re picked Tony, you're the superstar and I'm gonna throw all this money at you to make you one.

01:09:49
Speaker 2: And no shade to Ellie Reid, he did that, like he he We all say.

01:09:55
Speaker 1: Even forty years later, there's something about Tony Bracks that You're just like.

01:09:59
Speaker 2: Gee, she's she's that girl. She has it.

01:10:03
Speaker 1: They they were background fingers on the Summer Whole Day's video. This is her first album, guys, Okay, they were her background singers. Right years later, Tamar advanced, do this reality show. It's the bracton family values. We're all watching it because we love Tony and we're all giving her sisters a chance.

01:10:29
Speaker 2: The audience sees Tamar Braxton, and I'll speak for myself.

01:10:33
Speaker 1: I saw that show and said, Tony, I'm gonna play the Lee bra album against this.

01:10:38
Speaker 2: But who who is this?

01:10:40
Speaker 1: Everybody said, right, I'm like this, this one is somebody that I know for a fact in high school.

01:10:48
Speaker 2: We've been best friends.

01:10:49
Speaker 1: And then not only was her personality a star her first not her first album, but the album that came after the first couple of seasons was Us, a Grammy nominated album. So my question is, with the sisters appearing to always put this halo over Tony, did did they not have enough to give any more when their baby's sister became.

01:11:22
Speaker 2: A big star too.

01:11:24
Speaker 6: And and and and and.

01:11:25
Speaker 2: Are they dealing are they dealing with?

01:11:28
Speaker 1: We we know what it felt like to give it to Tony okay, but damn now Tamar has it.

01:11:37
Speaker 9: Is that is that what we're seeing displaying today, No yes and no right yes in the sense of they arrived at that point, but the only piece missing, and that you lay it out beautifully by the way, Carlos.

01:11:49
Speaker 8: But the only thing, the only piece that I would add is that by the time the Rexton Family values came into you know, their world, Tamar did gain you know, stardom from that show, but there had also been years of occurrences prior to that. So the difference in the two is they put the halo over Tony's head when she got picked by La Reed back in the day. Then Tony becomes famous, they're now the sisters of the famous one, and a whole bunch of shit happens over the years that makes.

01:12:19
Speaker 6: Them not like Tamar.

01:12:20
Speaker 8: And then they get into and mind you along that time, she marries Vince, who has means, so now she has access to her own financial resources to live a great life, you know, which only drew her closer to Tony because now you know, they can kick it and do things without Tony having to be responsible for everything. Naturally, they gravitated towards each other. So then then the show blows up and now Tamar has the stardom element as well, but they don't feel like she deserves it because of all the shit that happened over the years that they feel like she was at fault for.

01:12:53
Speaker 6: So I think that's the difference.

01:12:54
Speaker 8: When Tony got platformed or pedestal amongst the sisterhood, right, she he was still young and innocent. When Tamar got the superstardom from the television show, she was a grown ass woman who they felt had been mistreating them for years, and so they really were upset that she they allegedly they may it makes sense to assume that they would have been upset because they didn't feel like she deserved the benefits the stardom, the attention, her being lauded and heralded out of amongst all of them, right, But that's exactly what happened. So I think that's the difference between the two situations, with both of those sisters becoming the stars out of the fray. I think the difference is they wasn't mad at Tony when it happened to her, and they've been pissed at Tamar for so long when it happened to her that there is an inherent resentment there. There is a part of them that appears to feel like she don't deserve the benefits of what she's getting.

01:13:49
Speaker 5: And once you have resentment towards someone, the last thing you want to see is for them to blow up in your face. That's the last thing you want to see, sister or not, you're like, oh, like yeah, I think that's.

01:14:02
Speaker 3: There's only one caveat that I want to put, like an agree, I would change the person who mistreated them to the person who embarrassed them. I don't think it was Tamar bad things. I think they got comfortable seeing her as the embarrassing sister who was the punchline of a bunch of jokes. We see you as a clown, We clown you as the stereotypical loud too much because to it herself. I'm embarrassed by Tamar. I'm embarrassed by her, and Tony is the superstars the superstars.

01:14:30
Speaker 1: Embarrassing that that that it was embarrassment.

01:14:34
Speaker 3: Tamar wasn't doing these dastly deeds. She was being annoying. That is her greatest in my family. And to add to that, that's when Tam.

01:14:42
Speaker 1: That's when Tony said in last week's episode Paying for PR that your your your actions online, I have to pay a publicist embarrassed me.

01:14:54
Speaker 3: And I think that you know why. Embarrassment means I'm being myself and we're incompatible because you find who I am annoying. Mistreatment means I am a villain or I am doing things that are dastardly. I don't think Tamar was doing dastardly things. I think what's happening is she is grating to their nerves. They find out said that she's grading to their nerves right. She does things like she'll start singing. There's the thing I want you guys to learn about called gray rocking. Gray rocking is what happens when someone is trying to be narcissistic around you or make you feel like shit, and you completely shut down being emotional and you detach yourself right Like, let's say your parents are cussing you out. You're like, Mama, I love you, Stop yelling, Mama, I love you, Mom. I'm here to take I'm here to visit you at the facility. Please stop. You do. Gray rocking as the way to stay centered and not engage even if you feel like you're being dehumanized or mistreated. Guess what Tamar's gray rocking is. She sings. Tamar feels as if she is under attack. She literally will close her eyes, start talking to God and start singing to somebody abby who was untrained. That seems like she's being annoying and dismissive in this field. She's actually gray rocking to steady herself. It's something that happens in the moment where you feel triggered and you're trying to make sure that you don't do something that's gonna get you.

01:16:13
Speaker 8: Arrested than that friend, because think about it, Think back and think about that scene back in then you've been watching it.

01:16:20
Speaker 6: You get it blue.

01:16:22
Speaker 8: Remember when Tamar went around the table like your man don't work, yo, man, I want to.

01:16:27
Speaker 7: Do here we go, okay, young man a cheata young man, a computer with cheat, young man, make money.

01:16:41
Speaker 2: Off of you. I said this one by here he different.

01:16:46
Speaker 6: Now she did that. Oh yeah, let's give that was.

01:16:53
Speaker 1: Emmy award winning or sorry, Tony, something not only some you deserve it in this bar.

01:17:03
Speaker 8: Now that's the only piece I would add because I agree she does get on their nerves, right, But I think that they also feel that in addition to getting on their nerves, she has been harmful.

01:17:14
Speaker 6: To them in a way that was on camera.

01:17:16
Speaker 8: Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like you tried like you're trying to embarrass me. You going there about personal matters. She knew that they money went up as high as hers, and she would call their niggas broke on the show and all kinds of shit, like she would cross lines habitually that people understood to be beyond disrespectful.

01:17:36
Speaker 6: And so I think it's a mix of both.

01:17:38
Speaker 3: I think it's what the poor of contention is. I think before the show she was embarrassing. I think when she got to the show and was being pushed aside or dismissed and realized that she was popular, that's when she could finally attack back. Guys, I think the timeline matters. I think when you are the this happened to me, and it's probably happened to you guys. Right, you're in a group and you could tell I'm the person in the group chat that people are probably not responding to. Like everybody else, we know who's the most popular person in the group chat. They say, Hiyody, oh girl, we missed you. My friend was just complaining about this last week somebody else in the group chat. Yo, here's a five paragraph about what I went through, and it's like, oh, everybody's read it.

01:18:15
Speaker 2: And when I'm doing.

01:18:17
Speaker 3: People used to leave on read in the group chat. Imagine we introduced three million new people to the group chat and suddenly they're responding to me. Now that they're finally responding to me, now I'm going to get my lick back, the chronological order matters.

01:18:32
Speaker 6: No, I don't know Blue. This is the only reason I'm.

01:18:35
Speaker 3: Not saying she's perfect. What I'm saying is she finally had momentum. She's always been petty, but Petty's momentum is different.

01:18:41
Speaker 8: But she been had the moment on Blue because think about it, she married Vince, who is a superstar talent manager. It's pictures and video of her vacation and topless protecting Lady Gaga from being exposed to the properazic Caniraal.

01:18:54
Speaker 3: I'm talking about money, We're talking about public.

01:18:55
Speaker 6: No, no, no, That's what I'm saying.

01:18:57
Speaker 8: Even with that right, as far as her being ignored in the group chests, so to speak, right, Tamar was best friends with Tiny for years. You know what I'm saying, Tamar has lots of long Claudia, you know, you just brought up Tiny tonight from back in the day, and that was that was way later in their friendship. They had been friends for years up to that point.

01:19:17
Speaker 4: I think that was like twenty eleven.

01:19:19
Speaker 8: And Tamar has always been She's always been Tony Braxton's baby sister who could sing who She always had this personality. We just didn't get introduced to it until Braxton Family Values. But behind the scenes, Tamar been kind of that girl for a minute.

01:19:36
Speaker 6: So it's not like she was.

01:19:38
Speaker 8: Somewhere in a corner, you know what I'm saying where they was like, oh, that's just our annoying baby sister.

01:19:43
Speaker 6: No, Tamar was living, had a.

01:19:45
Speaker 8: Full life, ended up marrying rich, staying, and she was in the circles in the mix.

01:19:50
Speaker 6: She just wasn't on television.

01:19:52
Speaker 8: And so I think that once the addition of agreeing with y'all right, once the addition of the television cameras came in, that was too much for some of them sisters to handle.

01:20:02
Speaker 6: That's what I believe.

01:20:03
Speaker 8: I believe it was fine until the rest of the world was privy to it. But I don't for one second think that Tamar was somewhere being an ignored, feeble you know child that was and they got it and broke out.

01:20:16
Speaker 3: No, it's about currency, guys. Tamar wanted to be the next Tony, and I think we have to not conflate what we know behind the scenes versus what the audience knows, because it's a different currency. There are people Crowls contested this who are rich and famous in no celebrities who would give a path their fortune just to be known by the public. You cannot conflict the two, you cannot conflate them. And so what I'm saying is Tamar's currency wasn't what you just listed. Her currency was US. And the minute we got behind her, it put a battery in her pack and she finally started getting her look back, which was immature. Tamar retell you herself. She was immature, which was dispectful. Tama retell yourself. It was disrespectful. But even Macaudy was saying earlier, Tamar grew up in a fan where imagine, if you're going to an audition, right and dust, then you see three men who look just like you. Mm hm, You're like, well, I gotta be the best of these, the four of us, because they all look like me. Right, there's a competition that happens in an audition. Now what happens with the audition is against your brothers. Tamar has been taught since she was a child to be in competition with women who she shares blood with and has not felt safe. So when she means a Claudia Jordan, her first reaction is, I don't trust women, because even the women who look like me I can't trust. I'm definitely not gonna trust somebody.

01:21:30
Speaker 6: Else alike them. Braxtons lookike.

01:21:32
Speaker 8: You've seen strong Kwanda daughter and Ashley and type.

01:21:36
Speaker 6: They all look alike. You know what I'm saying.

01:21:39
Speaker 8: She had moved her hair back one time in one of them scenes, and I was like, she looks just like Ashley and Tamar. They all look alike. They're pretty family. They all look alike.

01:21:48
Speaker 3: I think currency is important, guys, because one of the things I will say is a lot of people in the industry know me. Less than one hundred people probably know me outside of the industry, Right, I'm the person who knows everybody behind the scenes, I don't know, so people are acting like I'm new. I'm years into my career. But because I stepped from producing to be in front of the camera, Now'm anukid on the block twenty one years into my That's what happens to tamor You know how I know because my old ass was listening to her first actual album in college. I was looking to Tamar's first album when I was in college in the late nineties. And so I need you guys to understand that there's a Peter Pan happening with Tamar because I clocked Twanda at the clock Tamar. Tamar was having a second puberty at forty on camera that are knowingly immature, that are based on the stunted growth of for not being able to evolve behind the scenes in the way that was probably healthier. And I'm gonna say this, her mother stepping in could have changed this. There's a thing that happens with the mother. And this is not a blame. It's just talking about moments that were lost for her accountability. Her mother had said, Hey, I know Twanda that you and Tamar and Tony had that big melee. Let's have a conversation. I'm gonna bring all my girls together and we're going to talk. But instead of what is happening in this family is they're comfortable being in clusters. Oh, Tamar is not talking, and so and so. So we're all come being in this corner? Was I talking? So and so? We're comfortable be in this corner. There there's a lack of rearing that these women still need in their forties and fifties, unfortunately, that they probaly didn't give when they were younger. And I honestly think that that Tony being a superstar so early is why the matriarchal role isn't coming away the way it needs to.

01:23:20
Speaker 4: What advice would you give to the mom?

01:23:21
Speaker 5: I know it's late now, forties and fifties, right, so it's like, you know a lot of tuff people should have been done, but moving forward to get to a better healthier place.

01:23:30
Speaker 4: If you could give advice to mom Evelyn, what would.

01:23:32
Speaker 5: You tell her, like if she could she go back and make repair some of this damage in the family that you're saying that you that you're that you.

01:23:40
Speaker 4: Think, what do you think? What would your advice to her be?

01:23:43
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful question and to be perfectly honest, and it's it's the same thing that I said about Tamar when you ask me, what could Tamar do? Acknowledgment? There's no safety without acknowledgment. If I'm gonna tell you right now, I don't want to get emotional. If Twanda and Trina and Tony sat down with Tamar and said, you get on our nerves sometimes, and we've all said horrible things to each other, and we love you. We think you're deeply talented, and we are sorry for any pain we might have unintentionally caused you or made you feel unseen, Tamar would probably start sobbing because it would feel like her feelings were finally being acknowledged. I think what happens with all the sisters is they're all in pain in these little silos saying do you see me? Do you see me? Do you see me? No one ever gets acknowledged. On that I watched the whole thing over again before I came here. No one ever gets acknowledged. And when I was younger, I saw this thing on Oprah. Shout out to Oprah, and they said that all human beings walk around the world asking the same three questions, Do you hear me? Do you see me? Do I matter? Nobody on the rack Stents has ever said yes to those questions to each other explicitly hear except for Tony, I hear you, I see you, and I matter. If their mother was to sit them down and explain to them, there are no good guys or bad guys. There are moments where I might have failed you because I didn't army with the ability to show up for each other as sisters. Twanda, we love the fact that you take care of us. How about you stop being so transactional and just want to show up for you, tell us what you need and will create space for you. Trina, get rid of the Canadian accent. Tamar, I know you smissed, Tamar. I know you get dismissed a lot. You're not always wrong. Sometimes, even if you stay in a way that we don't like, you're not always wrong. Simply acknowledging impact has a very deep seated reaction in people's hearts. I've watched gang members who I used to work with back in the day talk about impact, and you see grown men crying because you finally see me. Tawanda and Tamar are both crying the same thing. Nobody sees me. Nobody sees me, Nobody sees me. Start with your mom, see them, see all of them, good and bad, rather than letting these archetypes persist.

01:25:47
Speaker 8: I also think everybody needs to realize they grown as hell, their kids growing as hell, and at a certain point, although you have baggage and issues from childhood, you got to fast.

01:25:57
Speaker 6: Forward to where you're at today with certain shit, right, Like.

01:26:00
Speaker 8: There are things that are immediately deserving of our attention. You know what I'm saying. I just had a conversation with my brother. Y'all know I talked to my brother every day. I had a conversation with him earlier this morning about some family shit, and we were just saying, how like yeah, but like today, you know what I mean, who are you? How do you show up in your relationships type shit? And that's the first thing they need to do. Then they need to sit in a padded room because as you can see, they might kick each other, you know what I'm saying.

01:26:27
Speaker 6: So they need to be in a padded room.

01:26:29
Speaker 8: And do exactly what Blue said, look at each other and just lay it the fuck out for real. That's what you got to do was resistant. I'm sorry, Claudia, but the mama was resistant to that. When they did that workshop with Iyanla on the show The Moms, Miss Evelyn was resistant to be very resistant to Ianda helping. She refused to commit to the process and all of that kind of stuff. So I just think that that coupled in with the religious idea of you know what I'm saying, you're in the church and there's a way to do things and ship. I think there's been a lot of necessary conversations that simply haven't happened out of respect and out of an old way of doing things. So yeah, I'm with my girl Blue. There's just some accountability that needs to be passed around, like orders.

01:27:21
Speaker 5: I think with this group though, outside of looking in, is who would go first? Because everybody feels like but me, but my pain, but I but me. I think it's never gonna happen. Honestly, I really.

01:27:35
Speaker 3: They're selfish Claudia to finally come around.

01:27:38
Speaker 5: I'm not saying they're not, but I'm just saying, like, it ain't just Tamar, I mean, it's not all of them. I feel like it's a little bit heavy anti Tijuana on this and more pro temar and I think everyone has a pain on this. And depending on who you talk to first, you know, I mean, oh yeah, she did that, you know what I mean? Whoever you say it down with and you hear hear from their mouth, it's gonna make sense to you, right. No, but she did this to me like it's who came what came first, the chicken or the egg. And I just feel like nobody would want to go first, to be the one to humble themselves, to say you know what, I see you and I understand and how I did you wrong or whatever.

01:28:19
Speaker 4: No one wants to do that, like we've seen this.

01:28:22
Speaker 5: Well, I'm new to this, but that is who that is the brave person, the one person who can.

01:28:27
Speaker 4: Come forward amongst those sisters and say it. Whether it's the mother or.

01:28:31
Speaker 5: The sisss, I will give them the ultimate props. Hopefully one of them does do it, and see.

01:28:34
Speaker 2: How it didn't.

01:28:36
Speaker 3: It didn't go well because here's the thing, and this is not I will say this. I'm not being team to Tamar. I'm being team counterbalancing the edit. The edit has heavy on one end, and my Gemini rising means if you're too heavy here leawers will understand. I gotta put it over here, right, So we're counterbalancing the edit that's making her seem like a one dimensional villain when she's actually an unsympathetic a victim. Right. We have to be careful, though. Tamar literally went on camera and said, I have been diagnosed with anxiety. I'm a medication. I've realized that a lot of my behaviors is because I am mentally unstable, and I'm working on my stability, and that's why I win. When Twanda said, well, I don't argue with sick people, That's what I'm saying is when you tell somebody I've been to the lady and she said, I'm not all the way rap tighte. They got me on lexapro and a couple of other things. I'm realizing now that my mental is not the way it needs to be, and your family weaponized that against you. I don't know who's gonna go first, but it can't be Tamar now, simply because it's already been thrown back in her face.

01:29:35
Speaker 1: It has to be again. I hate to bring myself into it. It has to be Tony because the thing is this you clocked it blue. Early on in the episode, there is something about the oldest child being a woman. There's something because as yeah, it's like a second mother, it really is. And on top of that, Tony Braxton is the only one that they all respect, even yeah, they listen to her.

01:30:02
Speaker 2: I think, Tony, next.

01:30:05
Speaker 1: Week, we'll do this next week, and please remind me, please remind me, so this is gonna be good. Typically, the oldest sister is the one who sawt of rallies the troops of the siblings.

01:30:20
Speaker 2: And calls shit out.

01:30:22
Speaker 1: I'm forty six, and my oldest, my sister, who's the oldest of.

01:30:26
Speaker 2: Ten, she's in her early fifties.

01:30:28
Speaker 1: Till this day, we all low keate listen to her when she holds court. I am curious, though, why Tony Braxton doesn't show up as that, because yes, we can talk about how we didn't like when Tamar said, and I agreed, right, my.

01:30:49
Speaker 2: Grammy throwing all this stuff and bragging them whatever.

01:30:52
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I didn't like when Tony said, I'm Tony Braxton.

01:30:56
Speaker 2: Don't fuck with a heavy hitter.

01:30:59
Speaker 1: Yes, like right, So I think I think Tony also has to show up not as the superstar who shows up with the bolt that doesn't move, but I'll take you child, I'll pay for it, but show up as the oldest sister who has to do the job of getting the girls back together.

01:31:22
Speaker 5: And I want to say, I don't think Tamar is the villain. I do not think Tamar is the villain. I will say, we can all make the other person feel like the victim, seem like the villain when we tell our side of the story. But I think they all weaponize things against each other. Yeah, we's Tony Braxton with I'm the Superstar, with Tamar putting her sister on blast about the bills and you being broke. We all know that she makes someone that was kind of wrong and with them when they with Tawana saying the thing about I don't talk to sick people. That was all fucked up. There's enough blame to go across the board. Nobody is innocent here, right, Yet no one does have to start it. I do think it needs to be Tony or the mama.

01:31:58
Speaker 3: I make sure it Matrich have.

01:32:01
Speaker 8: To do it, and and honestly, the person should do it is the damn brother because it's his daughter.

01:32:07
Speaker 2: That they run over him.

01:32:10
Speaker 1: That's my think about it, doesn't that's why he's never been on the show.

01:32:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, he want No, he's a nurse. He wants no parts of this. No, he's a nurse. He's like, I don't.

01:32:22
Speaker 3: Know, it's just I live.

01:32:25
Speaker 1: But I will say is next week, next week, rain drops, the four of us, we're gonna dissect the dynamic between Tony and Tamar because what what what happens when you are the superstar and somebody is on your heels?

01:32:42
Speaker 6: What happens?

01:32:44
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, you think you take that a that's a good question.

01:32:53
Speaker 2: It's a good question.

01:32:54
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know what happens when you have been Harold did as the superstar and then all of a sudden you have your baby sisters on your heels, the annoying one.

01:33:07
Speaker 2: So we'll die out.

01:33:08
Speaker 4: That they also use her start them to like shut you, shut.

01:33:11
Speaker 5: You the hell up when they want to like sun you she's the superstar and you're like, okay, I don't count as much.

01:33:18
Speaker 4: Definitely a lot of.

01:33:19
Speaker 2: Little we'll dive into. We'll dive into that next week in addition to the episode.

01:33:24
Speaker 3: But I was like, great, I didn't because you know, I got a lot of areas and tourists and shipp in my chart, so I worried about scaring.

01:33:34
Speaker 6: People like.

01:33:37
Speaker 2: This was good, This was good. This is good. So Ray Johns, We'll be back next week.

01:33:42
Speaker 1: Claudia, dust It Blue, thank you for another amazing episode.

01:33:47
Speaker 6: Yes.

01:33:53
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