Ready, Set, RECORD: #RHOC Alexis Bellino EXCLUSIVE Recap

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: Where the elephant was not in the room where the.

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Speaker 2: Elephant talked about and it was an episode of receipts.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the second episode of season.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen of The Real house Washing Oris County, and I could not do this episode alone. So ladies, gentleman, gays and bays, give a warm welcome for my friend, my love. I love her so much, she's she's such a good gap. I want her back on the show. But I got her back. A Reality with the King give it up for Alexis Ballino.

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Speaker 3: Hi, honey, that was so sweet. Ah, it's me huh.

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Speaker 1: I do, and I've miss every word.

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Speaker 3: I miss you too. I'm glad to be here today.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you're a busy woman, obviously, you're a mom, you are a professional woman as well, and you are fiance. So how are things going with the wedding planning to your love my friend John.

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Speaker 3: It's going good.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 3: It's right around the corner.

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Speaker 4: And I keep saying that because I'm not letting anyone know if it's two days or a month, or two or three months or you know, I'm just giving the generalities of it's around the corner.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's really good.

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Speaker 4: And I'm a lot less stressed this time doing it because i feel like, been there, done that, so you know all the ropes, and you know.

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Speaker 3: We have a good wedding planning team with us.

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Speaker 2: So it's good, good, good, good good. Well, Look, we have to get to this season of the Real Housewives of Alexis Believing. I'm sorry, the Real Housewives of ours County Alexis your name, she's coming up. So as we recap episode two, I want to start first by asking you this, uh huh, do you miss filming?

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Speaker 3: No and watching?

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't watching it right now. Okay, this is what I wanted to ask you when I knew we were going to do this podcast. Do you feel like the show's just missing fun? Like I feel like it's it's turning into so much of just all this draw and having us like where's the fun?

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Speaker 3: So No, I don't really miss the filming right now. I'm just being honest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, listen, I will say this, the first episode I thought was okay.

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Speaker 1: Because of what you said.

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Speaker 2: I think for me, first episodes of any premiers are always difficult because you have to like recap to the audience, have the episode it is going to be this season. You have to reset where everyone is in their lives since we last saw them during the off season. So the first episodes are always difficult. But look, I definitely would love to see more fun. But there's a lot of conversations happening. And Honey, Bunny, you and I may disagree on this because I know she's your friend, but you know I'm honest, and in this episode we have to talk about Katie.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, okay, where you going because.

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Speaker 1: I girl, we just have to get right into it.

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Speaker 2: So Alexis Kate to the hot seat this season and it's only been two episodes and she is at the epicenter of the drama and you, funny enough, are like the co star of this invisible person who we can talk about. But she's not going to defend herself. So I want you to here to defend yourself. But to read cap what's going on. Katie is being accused of talking to bloggers and now we learn in this episode that Katie allegedly recorded Shannon Badore having a meldown at the Gallery shoot last season where you were featured. It has been alleged that Shannon's behavior on set, Alexis was because you were there and Katie recorded Shannon and she sent it to you.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's where that's a little here, here's where it gets muddled, and here's where you know, it's like telephone around the room what the truth is and where there's and then it's just here's he's saying, she's saying.

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Speaker 3: It goes all around in circles.

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Speaker 4: So first of all, I'm not the one that told Tama about that Katie had told Tama, and so Tama came to me when we were just shooting the Wind one day and said, you know, did you actually hear that that thing that that Katie recorded of Shannon? Did you ever actually hear it? And I said yeah, And I didn't even think anything about it. I didn't think it was going to be on this season. I didn't think anything was.

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Speaker 3: Going to go anywhere. And so Tama had already known about it from Katie comes to me.

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Speaker 4: I'm at first I feel bad for Katie because Katie was not doing anything malicious at all when she did this. What happened was she was on a phone call with her husband at a business meeting. They were on a three way phone call, business meeting. Okay, Katie has to hang up real quick because Shannon comes in all believe sticking crazy and did.

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Speaker 3: Fucking alexaid Melina and fell me, why is she here?

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Speaker 4: I heard the whole thing, so she's going whack doodle job okay, and Katie. The reason Katie recorded it was because she's like, how am I gonna tell me? How am I gonna explain this? Like he's not gonna believe me, So she just recorded it on an audio something.

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Speaker 3: It was not a video. By the way, another thing that's not true. Did I hear it?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Was Jen with me to hear it?

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Speaker 4: Yes, we were all at lunch. And so I don't know why people act like they don't know. It's like, just own up to the truth. And I think that's part of the problem with Katie this season is she hasn't owned up to the truth when the things happen, but then she owns up later.

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Speaker 3: It's like, if we all are.

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Speaker 4: Growing and learning, right, Carlos, we're all gonna make mistakes. We're all not the perfect friend, We're not the perfect person.

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Speaker 3: Just own it and move on. Say you're sorry. If you really mean it, I mean, you have to mean it. But like I think that's where.

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Speaker 4: It gets kind of a little confusing, and like I think that's where the girls are right now, is it's like, okay, wait, but then she goes to cameras and fesses up to it when she said she didn't do it, but then she says she did and owns it, and then you know, the whole video thing though, or the recording of Shannon was not a malicious or or any ill intent on Katie's part at all. So I want to clear that up right now. And I don't think Shannon should be mad because I'm sorry. You have to learn from your behavior if you're going to be a psychotic person there someone hears.

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Speaker 3: You on the phone or you know has it on phone.

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Speaker 4: It's like, okay, just take accountability for your own actions, you know. But so I feel really bad for Katie in this episode and the first one.

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Speaker 3: But what do you feel, Carlos. I want to hear what you think.

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Speaker 2: I know. Listen, Alexis I disagree with you. I think Katie did that maliciously. And hear me out, Sister, I hear I think Katie is shady.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and that's fair you have that's edis a viewer you have that you're entitled to have that opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, No, The reason why I love you is because you and I are able to have of their reconstructive conversation where we could agree sometimes, disagree sometimes but always respectful. Hey, listen, the reason why I'm so grateful and thankful that you decided to hop on today is because you're actually friends with these women. And I will always speak on behalf of two sides. The side of the producer and the side of a viewer as a viewer. As a viewer, Katie's credibility is shot. And thank you for clearing up that it wasn't a video, that it was audio only. But it's one of those things where you and I agree on this. Katie is incapable. Well, I'm saying, cable, you did say that, But I wish Katie would own the truth in the beginning instead of sitting on it and then revealing it later.

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Speaker 1: And that brings me to this Alexis.

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Speaker 2: Even when she was accused of speaking to said blogger and she like, no, we dm each other. I never spoke to her. And in the next episode, in this one, she said, Okay, I did call her. And I'm like, Katie, unless you work for nine to one one where you do speak to random people every day and you don't remember.

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Speaker 1: It, I find it hard to believe Katie that you don't remember talking on the phone to a blogger. Well, that's where I seem each other.

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Speaker 4: I think that's where the women are. You know, I'm speaking from watching the episode. I want to be you know, because I am. I am a little bit more in the circle since I am. You know, do speak to some of these women still, and I'm good friends with some of them, and then we're just some of us are just acquaintances or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But so I am a little bit in the middle of some of it, but in a different way.

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Speaker 4: But I'm speaking as a viewer and so taking my friend and my personal relationship off and talking as a watching the show person. So I feel like I can understand why the women are upset because of exactly what you just said.

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Speaker 3: If you do something, own it.

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Speaker 4: That's what I started saying with you own it and apologize, and you're trying to grow and become a better person. Know that that is something that hurt their feelings and the women are upset about. But you can't lie and then come back and say, oh, but yes I did, and do that multiple times without everyone starting to go, like the red flags to come up for the other women. Right, But speaking personally about her, when I say I know she didn't do it maliciously, I'm letting you know.

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Speaker 3: And you can think that she did. I'm letting you know.

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Speaker 4: We were very very tight at that time and we're a little bit more distant now. But she did not have any ill like she I see where on the show she comes across like a certain way, but she does not have a really a mean bone in her body. I don't truly feel I think she's a kind person. I think this show ate her alive. I think she wasn't really ready for what she was getting herself into. But I also think you need to own your mistakes, like front up, Like if somebody catches you and you know you did it, don't lie about it and then come out and say it, oh, you know, a couple different times, because your credibility is then everyone gets the Okay, let me ask you this. If she'd done it once and then said, Okay, I get it, I'm so sorry, would you be more uh, let's just say easy on her, Like, would your feelings be a little bit less.

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Speaker 3: Harsh about her?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you why. And I'm going to give you the credit for this too, Alexis you hit the nail on the head. This show has eaten Katie alive because she is a deer caught in the hit lights of what the F did I sign up for?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: I don't understand the social experiments of this ensemble show. I think I think she walked into a world where she did not know how to navigate it.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Listen, I don't think Katie, by any stretch of the imagination, is mean. I do believe that she is incapable of understanding that this show is a part of your life. And yes, yes, yes, there is this sort of world where this is my TV life and this is my real life off camera, and I and I and I and I respect that too. What I don't respect is any actions you do off camera, you have to own it on camera. And I think that's the sort of like place where you and I both agree that Katie is feeling at like you live this life off camera and when you're when you're on the show, you try to you try to focus more on how do I address this on the show? Which my answer to reality stars, which is why I loved you from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: You have to own your ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyone, here's the naivity.

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Speaker 4: If anyone thinks they're gonna go on a reality show and they're gonna be able to you know, uh, shove things under the rug or just cover make a cover up, or not tell the truth.

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Speaker 3: The truth's gonna come out.

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Speaker 4: There's no way you're gonna go through an entire season and not have the reality and the truth come to fruish, right.

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Speaker 3: I think I think that might be exactly you.

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Speaker 4: You made something kind of perk up in me where you just said, you made the realization that she she's trying to make up two separate worlds, like my private life is my private life and my TV life is my TV life, And that is a mistake to be made by anyone that's on a reality TV show, because I'm sorry, it's all one. It all becomes one, and you you can't do cover ups. You can't lie, you know. So I feel truthfully that Katie thought and was very naive when she thought, you know, that the show was gonna be one way, and then when you watch it play back, you're like, oh my gosh, this is this is what's happening, this is what you know. I just I do wish she would have just owned up to everything. And who knows, we got a whole season left, so we don't know what well this is going. But I feel bad for her because I do know she's a lovely person. I do know that she has a heart of goal that she cares about people. So I feel bad that it's going this way. But from what I'm watching, it doesn't seem like the women are going to lighten up.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: It's like, it looks it looks bad for her, like I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think I think it's because if she would have owned the beginning and just kept because the think is this, you own it the beginning. And unfortunately, this is what I would have done if I was on the show. Katie, listen up. As the king of reality TV is giving you advice? Shell you come back next season.

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Speaker 1: We don't know yet.

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Speaker 2: I wi say, hey, guys, State of the Union. This is all the ship I did off season, and I was I liked.

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Speaker 4: I liked where she said, though Carlo she admitted it. I like where she said. I I did make some mistakes. I didn't understand.

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Speaker 3: That's that's real. That's being vulnerable, you know, And that's why Emily gave her some grace.

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Speaker 1: You have to own it, right, you have to own it. Now.

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Speaker 3: This is the other problem. Let me give you the other problem with her though. One other thing.

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Speaker 4: She freezes up and you can't freeze up as a housewife. If you're going to be on reality TV, you can't freeze. And she admitted it in her interview, her confessional on this last episode, she admitted she's PTSD from her past life or you know, the things that she's gone through, And her past is what I meant, not past life, but things she has gone through in her past. So the problem is if you freeze every single situation, you can't get your thoughts out, you can't get across you, you can't get anything accomplished. And so she has to find a way for the rest of the sea and hopefully to stop freezing and speak what you mean and mean what you say, you know, like get it out, get the truth out. And but okay, so go ahead, and you were going to make another point, but I just wanted to say that. I think that's another part of her problem, is that she does freeze, and and you know, it makes me I feel bat she's like a deer in headlights, you know.

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Speaker 1: So she really is, it really is.

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Speaker 3: And I think but she's funny Carlos in person, in person and in life, she's freaking funny.

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Speaker 4: Like when we go to start, oh, she says the funniest stuff, So her confessionals where she's like being witty and funny, it's true.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to see more of that, Alexis girl. I believe you. But let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: Without giving too much away, because it's a lot of rumors will lie and I'm not here to address any of those things because I'm only gonna focus on what's airing on the show.

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Speaker 1: But I would like to ask you this, How is Katie doing today?

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Speaker 4: I mean we we've kind of lost touch, like I said a little bit ago, like me being off this season and you know, the whole Shannon issue with the what she recorded, it's kind of made Katie and I have definitely stepped back from being close however, So I don't know, but I do know from other housewives that I do talk to that you know, it was it's a rough season for her.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know how she's doing right now. Personally, I hope she's okay. I mean it's tough.

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Speaker 1: It's tough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how is your wedding planning doing now that Shanna has helped you funded with the sixty thousand dollars seven and she's dead.

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Speaker 1: Data say she gave you money, honey, and it's helping your wedding crowd.

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Speaker 4: Well, considering she owed us seventy five thousand and we had to pay attorneys twenty five or thirty, we only got, you know, we gave her a discount at sixty, so we made about thirty thousand out of.

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Speaker 3: It, you know, but or thirty thousand of it back. But yeah, so that bought I mean, that's helping.

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Speaker 4: What the invitation costs to thank you for that, I guess, but I mean, or it might have been our family vacation we took that she got, you know.

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Speaker 3: But here's the funny part why this is all so commical to me.

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Speaker 4: So the person who couldn't afford her facelift or her bills and needed money from my ex husband, my future I'm sorry, my her ex boyfriend, my future husband is now saying like acting like she's some god because she paid us back the money she freaking owed it, Like, how is that lost on anyone? And then there and then and then it comes around that John paid John never paid for anything, She hadn't paid for everything. How is the person paid for everything needs seventy five thousand dollars for my future husband how it's just it's I look at people and I'm like, you're freaking weird, Like you can't see the reality of this. Like he had the money sitting there, he gave her the money, she promised to pay it back. We have the emails to prove it. So she had to pay him back. And don't think for one second she wouldn't have written that check if she didn't know she's gonna lose in court. So I mean, it's just just all, okay, so move on. This is such old news.

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Speaker 2: I know. I wanted you to clear the air speaking of old news that her It's a new news. Gretchen Rossi is back, Alexis, and let me tell you something.

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Speaker 3: I like you.

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Speaker 1: We're friends with Tamra.

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Speaker 2: However, just like Tamra and you, we also appreciate good television. Gretchen Rossi coming back made me smile from it the air.

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Speaker 1: She's gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: There's there's not one person who can get underneath Tamra's skin the way Gretchen does.

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Speaker 1: So it was nice to see Gretchen back. I was happy to.

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Speaker 2: See that she does have a nose. Tamra, I know you think she air brushes her phones. A lot by I saw, I saw Nostro okay, so that that may be. That made me happy to see that, so we.

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Speaker 4: Tamra's line was funny though, when she said, uh, hold on to your face tunes girls or something like that.

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Speaker 1: That's a funny lot.

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Speaker 2: Right, because Tama's infamous lie with Gretchen came on the show season I think four or three hold on to your Daddy's girls, here comes Gratch right.

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Speaker 4: No, exactly, so now it's hold on to your face tuned girls, because a decade later here or fifteen years later, here we are.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was so iconic for that this is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

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Speaker 2: This was so interesting with Swamp, like, ah, I want a Lexus on the show this season, but you're busy and you're you're in love, so I'm happy for you anyway. But you're also friends with Gretchen, and correct, Carlos, what rock have you been under? No? No, I wanted to clear the air because there was this thing that I saw, and again I like to clear the air that you Katie are friendly and that Gretchen is a part of that too, and that you're friendly with jin And there were some rumor circulating last season that Gretcha was going to come back and it's going to come back through you guys. Did you hear that rumor too?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 4: I did, but it wasn't There's nothing true about that rumor because Gretchen and I are not Gretchen and I are not friendly. I mean we might give one little like high or something, I mean at the most, but no, because she was one of my very dear friends when I first got on the show, sure, and I became fast BFFs. I mean, her and Slade would come over to Jim in my house while the kids are in bed, and we'd stay up until two or three, you know, just hanging out. So we were very tight, and you know, then the show unfortunately got in between us. But then I also saw true colors. So and I know, like the viewers, I'm really intrigued by this whole thing with Tamara and Gretchen, by the way, because I'm like thinking, how in the world are they were just gonna both just like let it go.

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Speaker 3: Tamra, in my opinion, is and was ready to just let it go.

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Speaker 4: She's just like, can we just move on, like, let's just fifteen years ago when we talk about that. But there just still is this animosity between both of them. So it's gonna be a good season. I thought last episode was good to watch. I just wish there was more fun. I wish it wasn't always so heavy and so much arguing. Like I said in the beginning of this, but I thought it was a good episode. What did you What did you think?

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Speaker 2: First? Like for the whole episode, I enjoyed the first episode. I agree with you, I want them more fun. I really enjoyed episode two. Episode two, I was glued to the screen because, yeah, listen, Tamra and Gretchen's beef is sort of like the old school WWE between like Hawk Hogan and one of his opponents. It was just something that you were definitely here for and to see them together make me so intrigued because one of the things that I want to talk about, it's the fact that before we get to the Gretchen versus Tamra that sort of ended the episode when Tamara was talking to Heather Debro and she you know, Heather mentioned Gretchen and coming to you know, the launch, Tama made some accusations that Jennifer wants to be her. Tamra alests that Jennifer moved a couple of houses down from her a few years ago, that she started to go at the gym. She was going to using her pretty much hairstylist. She had plastic surgery on her face so looked like Tamra. She lost all this weight. We did see them before and aft the picture. I think Jennifer's gorgeous. Do you think that Jennifer wanted or wants to be Tamara?

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Speaker 4: You know, I personally don't because I'm Jen, you know, and we I don't, but I can. They've got such a beef now that I Jen and Tamra have such a beef now that I just I don't know that Tamor will ever give up on that, and she is going to hold to the fact that Jen does want to be her. But I personally, as an you know, outsider looking in I don't think so. I think I think if anyone wants to change their their looks and lose some weight and get some longer hair and put on some makeup and get your lips done like I mean, we're in California. Carlos, Hello, that's ninety percent of the people you U see walking down the street, because that's just.

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Speaker 3: What Californians do, or blonde, big booms, big lips, and you know, so I don't know. That's for me, that's my That's where I stand on it. What do you think now?

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Speaker 1: Lit that Okay, I.

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Speaker 2: Can see that if what Tamra is alleging is fatuo in the chronological order, sure there's some sort of like question marks. They're right, it would appear if that's Again, I haven't seen Jan's past addresses. I haven't seen any of these things. But what Tamara's saying is factual in the sense of the chronological order, then sure there could.

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Speaker 1: Be some validity to it.

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Speaker 2: But what is so interesting is when it comes to those two, I wanted them to remain friends, and I think Jenn is the future of OC and I told Tamar that myself, and Tamer's like, that's your opinion, as Tama would say, But I listen because ah, Jen to me is such a fun girl that on the show. And I know you said Katie's a fun girl, but I want Jen to have fun and I just don't think Katie's the right one. I think Jen and tamar Ca have fun together, but I get to see Jen and Gretchen together, which to me is going to be way more fascinating to watch because when they were together.

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Speaker 1: With each other's hausbands, that was the fun. I think you and I are talking about that we needed. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: Just the lightheartedness, just the every day to day living, not just you know, okay, let's go to this dinner and have a fight, you know what I mean. Like it's I don't know, that's that's just my perspective, and I know people tune in for the drama. I just feel like even when I was on the show a decade ago, you know, back in seasons.

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Speaker 3: Five through eight, there was more fun.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the show showed more fun, and you know, it has it has evolved, which we all all TV shows evolved.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know, that's just my two cents on it.

00:26:38
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like the like the laughing.

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Speaker 4: I like the girls looking like dorks and doing dorky things and showing true life.

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Speaker 1: You know, so you didn't laugh when Emily had the egg in her purse.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that was funny.

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Speaker 4: I did laugh, But also, who's gonna put a hard boiled egg, whether it's raw or heart boiled.

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Speaker 3: Who's gonna put it? You can't eat enough at lunch that you need a little snack for your uber rite home.

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Speaker 1: I know, I was just like Emily.

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Speaker 2: I love Emily, but I was like, please don't make this another situation where you put a freaking subway. Yeah, I'm like Emily enough with the food in the purse, please save me a spare this season. But getting back to the scene of the girls having lunch, you are right, Alexis. I did feel like when Gretchen and Tamar saw each other, I did feel like Tamar was trying to diffuse it but also understanding the assignment of we have to address it.

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Speaker 1: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Tamara alleged that Gretchen contacted her daughter when she was going through the legalities of her ex husband and how her daughter at the time was was, you know, publicly stating how Tamara just wasn't the mother she thought she would be, which is powerful for any mother to hear. Now, Gretchen did leave a comment which my opinion, I love Gretchen. I think it's off limits as it pertains that anyone's child lashing out on social media.

00:28:15
Speaker 4: I one hundred percent agree with you, And I don't think the part that I how I feel is it doesn't matter if you reached out to her on Instagram or Facebook or a DM or a phone call or a text. Doesn't matter at all. It's an announcement. Especially now since Gretchen has a daughter. You would think Gretchen would have gone, you know what, that was wrong with me. I think that's where Gretchen could have she missed the beat there. She could have looked at Tamar and said, you know what, I have a kid.

00:28:38
Speaker 3: Now, I get it.

00:28:39
Speaker 1: That was wrong.

00:28:39
Speaker 4: No matter how I reached out to your child, I should have that should have been off limits. But Gretchen didn't. She just kept, you know, going to the point of, oh, well, you know, it wasn't a phone call and it's not the same. By the way, how scary was that when she goes it's not the same, Like I was like, ooh those eyes right there. So but anyway, I think that, you know, it doesn't matter how you talk how you talked to the child. The child a child, and it's always going to be chamorous child. Even if the child's twenty six, it's still going to be Chamer's child. So yeah, it's off limits hundred percent.

00:29:11
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

00:29:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's off limits. And listen, they're going to get some more issues later this season that we know. This was just a tip of the iceberg. But I would like to get into the Shannon Badore of it all, because, as we saw this episode, Shannon has taken this personal liking to Katie because she keeps saying Alexis that it's hard for her to watch one person get ganged up on, which Emily was like, you're gonna stop saying that we're not bullying her. Shannon said, I know what that feels like. It happened to me before, and she was really on Katie's side before we get to the bomb drop that happened at the lunch table. Did you feel that Shannon was being genuine taking this personal liking to Katie or was she using Katie to try to prove a point to the ladies that gang it up on one person it's off limits.

00:30:15
Speaker 3: I think the latter. I think exactly what you just said, I don't think.

00:30:19
Speaker 4: I don't think it was genuine, But at the same time, I do agree with her. I don't think that anybody should sit at a table and harp on one person on if you want to have a one on one conversation with that person and tell them what they're doing wrong or how they've hurt you. That's different than six women and five of them all, you know.

00:30:38
Speaker 3: Being on Katie.

00:30:39
Speaker 4: That's a very I've been in that place myself on Housewives, and I don't like to partake in it, and I don't like when it happens to anybody. I don't care if they're right or wrong. I still feel like I agree with Shannon on the fact that it was it's not okay, Like not one person sitting at that lunch would want to be in the hot seat and have all six women on them at that moment about something they've done wrong, no matter how.

00:31:03
Speaker 1: Wrong it is.

00:31:03
Speaker 4: It's like, just okay, let's take we're older women now, let's be adults and pull them aside or make a phone call to them. I don't agree with the ganging up on thing, but I don't think Shannon get chanced your question. I don't think Shannon was genuine about it. I think it was more of let's not do ganging up on anyone could have been anybody that she was trying to say that about well, and now we know they're not very close friends by the end of this episode.

00:31:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, because look, Emma le revealed to Shannon that look, while you're defending Katie, she recorded you and sent it to Alexis. Shannon freaks out, saying in her confessionals that you know these people were suing me and that she's alleging that you guys could have used that in your.

00:31:51
Speaker 1: Case against the judgment to get the money back.

00:31:54
Speaker 3: Then again, it's a stupid comment. Yea makes no sense.

00:31:59
Speaker 4: It It makes no legal There's no legal thing there. It's like the litigation that, by the way, was John and Shannon, not we. John and I did not sue Shannon. John sued Shannon back for the money she owed him, So let's take the we out of that. Even though he's my has my fiance. However, there would be no recourse of action for that that It was not a video, which keeps getting thrown out there. It was a voice memo recording. There's no way that would have helped us in a court case at all.

00:32:27
Speaker 3: She's she's a lunatic. Okay, that doesn't get us our money back.

00:32:30
Speaker 4: Doesn't show any proof of the we needed the emails and the proof that we had a video of that or a voice memo.

00:32:36
Speaker 3: That's not going to help our case.

00:32:40
Speaker 1: Shannon has a tendency to leave the table and listen.

00:32:45
Speaker 2: I like Shannon, but I'm very honest, I'm sick and tire of her leaving every scene.

00:32:52
Speaker 4: It's not well, You're probably not alone in that because it happens every single season, and the girls are sick of it. The girls, all the cast is sick of it. They just like, roll her eyes now and they're like, you know, they say it behind and they're like, oh, here she goes. She's gonna leave again, So look at you.

00:33:09
Speaker 1: Let me know Alexis. Alexis.

00:33:14
Speaker 2: Nothing bothers me on OC because it's such a great show except Shannon's ability to not sit in her chair and deal with what's happening because she's getting a paycheck. I'm sick and tired of Shanna ba door being shown the door and not addressing what is happening in front of her.

00:33:38
Speaker 1: You've been there, does Shannon, So we let me ask you this.

00:33:43
Speaker 2: You worked on the show. When she leaves, is she like yelling at producers what does she is she like? Getting her like what is happening? Why can't she just sit there and take it?

00:33:53
Speaker 3: You gotta have her on the podcast to find that out.

00:33:56
Speaker 4: I don't know, because I mean, when you sign your contract, you know that's what you're getting yourself into.

00:34:01
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what the show's about. It is conflict and resolution.

00:34:03
Speaker 4: So there's going to be a conflict and be able to get up every time and say I'm done, I'm leaving.

00:34:08
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it means you can't really hold your own You can't. You can't.

00:34:11
Speaker 4: You can't sit there and take it, and you also can't dish it back out, which is what you're signing up for.

00:34:16
Speaker 3: That is the job, you know.

00:34:18
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

00:34:18
Speaker 3: You'll have to ask her why and what she's doing thinking.

00:34:22
Speaker 2: Oh, Shannon, Shannon, come on, because listen. I love when I see you as the mom. I think Shanna's the great mom her daughters. Whenever she's with her daughters, you can see the love that they have with the mother, and that obviously means Shanna is doing something right. So I applaud her as a mother, applaud her relationship with her daughters. The thing is I don't applaud her for leaving a scene because the thing was this nobody.

00:34:47
Speaker 1: The difference is this. I I was on Shannon's side last season.

00:34:51
Speaker 2: I told my friend Camera off the record and on the record, like, girl ain't liking this, but I at least understood that if you're calling somebody a drunk, it's not the nicest things to say.

00:35:04
Speaker 1: And I can understand leaving the situation.

00:35:07
Speaker 2: I'm not on Shannon's side when it's sort of like, well, Katie did this, and she's like, I'm leaving. No one's attacking you, Shannon. No one's calling you a drunk. No one's even attacking you. It's meek and mild Katie, who said, look, this is what happened.

00:35:28
Speaker 1: Deal with it.

00:35:29
Speaker 2: And if that's your friend who you love to have one on once with on a park bench overlooking the o c Ocean, honey, then I'm gonna need you to be able to sit there and deal with it. Like I didn't understand the walk off in this episode, I truly did not.

00:35:45
Speaker 3: I don't.

00:35:46
Speaker 4: I don't know that I understand any of them, to be honest, because it does happen so frequently that it's like it's you just know that it's gonna the scene's gonna end sooner than thought because she's gonna walk away. So the one thing she does get together girls, you know the job's done a little faster.

00:36:05
Speaker 1: Because they're like, if Shat is leaving, then we could go home there because those that makes sense, that makes sense. Before I let you go, I do want to I do want to ask you this you your.

00:36:17
Speaker 2: Name is being mentioned, it has been mentioned in the first two episodes.

00:36:24
Speaker 1: We did see the coming attractions, like the next week.

00:36:30
Speaker 3: My name's in that one too.

00:36:34
Speaker 4: The least paid housewife on the book, because okay, just like John's John's you know appendage last year he had they had, he had his own, he had his own contract too.

00:36:46
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, so is it because look, one thing I know about you, you are a strong woman who has the capabilities of defending yourself, your.

00:37:00
Speaker 1: Beliefs and what you stand for.

00:37:03
Speaker 2: Have it been challenging or not to watch the show hearing your name constantly come up and you're not there to defend yourself.

00:37:12
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's would stink for anyone.

00:37:14
Speaker 4: And and like I said, I set the record straight on No, it wasn't a video No, that's not what happened.

00:37:19
Speaker 1: This is how it is.

00:37:20
Speaker 3: It's like it does. It does stink to not be able to have a voice when.

00:37:23
Speaker 4: Your name is bringing mentioned every single episode so far, you know, and obviously next week it's going to be mentioned again.

00:37:30
Speaker 3: And I have a feeling it's it's not gonna dwindle down that much.

00:37:35
Speaker 1: So yeah, but what do I do?

00:37:38
Speaker 4: You know, there's not much. There's not much I can do. I just stay true to myself, and I am a very convicted person. I will I will defend what I believe is right, and I will stick up for myself. You know, I guess to a fault like I did last year, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna change who I am.

00:37:55
Speaker 1: No, Now, I don't want you to listen. I adore you. I think you're so fun. You will always, always, always, always.

00:38:03
Speaker 2: Receive my props for your contribution in the awesomeness that was last season's Oh see, I mean it was.

00:38:13
Speaker 1: It was a ten out of a ten.

00:38:15
Speaker 2: And I said this on my platform numerous times, and I would say this behind your back to it would have been a very different season about you because you were able to ignite a much needed fire that that show needed. And I appreciated the real, organic friendship that you had with Heather and Camera on the show. And I'm not happy you're not there, but I am happy that you are living your best life.

00:38:47
Speaker 1: You are getting married.

00:38:48
Speaker 2: You are showing the world, not that you needed to, but you're showing the world that what you and John had was real and it was not to get under anyone's again, that this is a real to me, like it was real love and and the magical wedding that you two will have is really going to illustrate that you have found love.

00:39:10
Speaker 1: And I could not be more happier for you and John.

00:39:13
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. We are going to miss you.

00:39:15
Speaker 4: I know we don't want to speak too much about that, but we are going to miss you that We know you can't make it, but.

00:39:22
Speaker 3: You were invited, so there you go.

00:39:23
Speaker 1: I want to invite and listen and listen, listen. We will have We will have other moments to celebrate. So thank you Alestener for hobbling on reality with the King.

00:39:33
Speaker 2: Look, I know you're busy planning the wedding, but I will speak to your team because I would love to have you back. Because you're You're such a fun girl, and I would love to continue doing this with you whenever I can.

00:39:46
Speaker 3: That will be fabulous.

00:39:47
Speaker 1: I will look forward to that. Okay, all right, you too, thank you. Elections.

00:39:57
Speaker 2: Reality with the King is executive for produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimetz, and a partnership.

00:40:05
Speaker 1: With the Lack Effect Network.

00:40:08
Speaker 2: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore