Wendy Williams’ producer, Norman Baker, chats with The King

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Speaker 1: Sherry Shepherd is like Wendy your sepo gvo good vibez over.

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Speaker 2: She's just a ray of sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Like she came in and when Wendy couldn't do it, and she and a bunch of other people stepped up and like saved their jobs and saved our show for a whole year.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 4: We'll get into my conversation with Norman Baker right after these quick ass Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one of the most sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten years of production experience.

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Speaker 3: Twice a week on Reality with the.

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Speaker 4: King, we'll sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit I forget moments that we are still talking and tweeting about.

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Speaker 3: Hey, rain drops.

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Speaker 4: Some of you all may know this about me, but as a late night host, I am a huge fan of talk shows. I grew up as a little gay boy in Detroit, Michigan, watching Oprah Winfrey the greatest talk show of all time, Mattel Williams, Sally Jesse, Raphael, Ricky Lake, Heraldo Jenny Jones. This genre of television means the world to me, So for me to have a late night show, it's like super special, especially being the first openly gay black male to host a late night show. It's just super special to me, and I thank the Oprah Winfrey Network for the opportunity. With that being said, the beauty of my career is because I'm this behind the scenes producer who now have this duo career.

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Speaker 3: Being in front of the camera.

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Speaker 4: And as I watch the Wendy Williams show, I saw somebody who I felt represented a large community that I wish was around when I was watching Daytime, and it's this funny, hilarious, gorgeous gay black man who I think needs his own show. I'm talking about none other than Wendy Williams co host Norman Baker.

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Speaker 3: There are so many.

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Speaker 4: People, Norman, who love you, who follow your career, who really want to get into Daytime. You being an openly gay black man, means the world to this community.

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Speaker 3: I want to give your flowers now.

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Speaker 2: Ah, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I really do believe that you are inspiring the young black gay men or boys who are watching Wendy Williams or just watching you, and they're like, wow, I want to do that.

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Speaker 3: The same way.

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Speaker 4: I know I've affected more black people, especially black men, getting into reality television. I feel like you have that same inspiration in terms of daytime talk.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's like really surprising because you really just go about your business just being in the grind.

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Speaker 2: Every day you wake up at five am.

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Speaker 1: You just all you want to do is get it done, so you don't really think about any impact.

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Speaker 2: I actually, because we.

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Speaker 1: Throw so much shade every day, I like pretend that no one's watching. So it's always a shock to me when I hear that, like anybody heard something I said, or like memorize some kind of joke I did or something, So it's I try to pretend like nobody's watching it. So it's surprising to hear that, Like, you know, I try have to think about that I'm having some kind of impact on you know, kids coming after me. But I could totally see that because that's kind of how I felt about I don't know, like RuPaul and Madonna's dancers, and you know, you see yourself reflected and you're like, oh, I could grow up to be that one day, and I don't have to you know, stay in the shadows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and with your personality, you don't belong in the shadows, honey, you belonging from the camera, which is why I'm happy you're doing it. So tell us how did it happen in terms of your trajectory in getting to produce one of the most iconic daytime television talk shows in the world.

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Speaker 1: I was born in Chicago, and I got off the bus, you know, with the stick and the pillowcase, and and.

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Speaker 2: I started out as a receptionist.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know anybody in the business, so I kind of just sent out.

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Speaker 2: I got a Hollywood reporter. In the back of it.

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Speaker 1: They had like production companies and addresses and fax numbers. So I just blindly sent my resume to like everybody, and I ended up getting a job as a receptionist on the Ananda Lewis Show.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember Ananda.

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Speaker 4: My first inspiration in television was teens, Yeah, watching Ananda Lewis. So for my listeners, if you don't know this, Ananda Lewis is this amazing, talented, super smart, gorgeous black woman who back in the in the nineties had this Saturday afternoon talk show called teen Summit, and she had a daytime talk show for one season.

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Speaker 3: But she is my inspiration.

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Speaker 2: I love that no.

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Speaker 1: I was her receptionist and I got to know people, and one thing left to another.

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Speaker 2: I ended up at.

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Speaker 1: VH one and worked at Best Together for years, and I learned a lot about pop culture. Well I was always like a pop culture nerd, but I learned about, you know, the business there, and I used some of that pop culture knowledge to come over to the Windy Show.

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Speaker 3: How did you get to be on the Windy Show?

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Speaker 4: Like, what was that transition from being on Best Week Ever to having this opportunity to be on the Windy william Show.

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Speaker 1: Well, Ananda, I met a woman named Alexander Jewett who is short with at My Mercury one of the exacts, and I saw Alexandra's name in the credits and I was like, hey, Alexandra in the openings, and she kind of just brought me on and like threw me into the hot topics segment and next thing I know, I'm like laughing and joking with Wendy on the air, which was amazing.

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Speaker 4: That is such inspirational story. So do you remember the first time you met the legend Wendy Williams, And what was that like?

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Speaker 1: It was she was like getting her makeup done and she was I wasn't allowed to see her wigless yet.

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Speaker 3: You said yet, So you seen Wendy Wilms wiggless.

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Speaker 1: That's how you know you're in in the ender circle. That's how she like, you know, lets you in.

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Speaker 2: Like one day, I had like some late breaking news that I.

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Speaker 1: Used to share with her before ten am before we went live, and I knocked on her door and I was just gonna shout it through the door because I knew she was like getting dressed in wigless and She's like, no, come in, baby, and I was like, yep, I've been Mama made her.

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Speaker 3: How does the hair look, Norman? Is it healthy hair? Because she always talks about his thin Is it healthy?

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Speaker 1: It's healthy, It's beautiful. I don't know why she doesn't show it off more. But you know she's a tiva.

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Speaker 4: You were in the hot top is meeting. This is before you got to meet her wigless. So what was that like when you first met her?

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Speaker 1: So I walked in and she like literally like laughed at me. I was like, oh my god, you're too cute to be shady, and I was like, oh.

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Speaker 2: That's sweet.

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Speaker 1: I think so my goal was just to just make her laugh and you know, tap in show her that I could tap into her brand of humor, which was like amazing. She is one of the funniest people I've ever met in my entire life, and I met some funny people.

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Speaker 4: What was her title at that time you started your first day on the Windy Wilm Show.

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Speaker 1: I was a second producer and then I just kind of like, now I'm supervising producer.

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Speaker 2: I say it with the question mark.

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm like Norman, it's a fact. It's okay, own it, Honey.

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Speaker 4: Who made the genius decision to have you appear on camera as sort of like her sidekick? Because if you guys are fans of Late Night, like Johnny Carson had Ed McMahon, David Letterman had Paul, like the iconic hosts always have like their sidekick who they could banter with. Who made that iconic decision? Because I'm gonna say this to you. I was living in New York at the time when the Wendy Williams like six week sneak peek happened.

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Speaker 3: And as a producer.

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Speaker 4: One thing people don't know, Norman, is when you're launching a show. So for me it's reality shows and for you it's talk shows. When you're launching anything, the first few episodes, you're getting.

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Speaker 3: Your groove going, like it's.

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Speaker 4: It's sort of like, what is this show, what's the format, what works, what doesn't work?

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Speaker 3: And like you said, Wendy's a legend. She's a comedian.

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Speaker 4: So I've always enjoyed just watching Wendy talk. But when the first twenty to twenty five minutes of the show was all about hot topics and then it was you, so who made that smart decision to have you be her sidekick to where you two had this banter for twenty five minutes on the show that.

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Speaker 1: Actually was all her, Like that came from her. She just and it organically happened. It wasn't like, well, as far as I know, there was no decision to be like, now you're gonna be the co host. It just kind of organically slowly started to happen more and more. We just had such good conversations in our briefing, and we kikeyed so well together that she just kind of started like throwing me out there more, little by little, more and more. So it's kind of just it slowly grew. Like I would say something super shady and a briefing, not for national television, just being funny backstage, being.

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Speaker 2: A little cloud, and she would be on live.

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Speaker 1: Television and she would be like Norman said, she was fat, right, and then the camera goes to me and I'm like, uh, that was kitchen table talk, not for television. So but I like took her cue. You know, she threw me the ball, I grabbed it, and you own it. So I'm like, yeah, she's beat. That's right, I said it. So it's just kind of like I think she appreciated that I didn't flinch and I just kind of rolled with it.

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Speaker 2: So she did it more and more and more.

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Speaker 4: You and Wendy's relationship reminds me so much of my relationship with Nini Leaks.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 4: I that And what I always tell people is this, The importance of a producer is to make sure their star is the best they can be. We're not responsible for their success by any stretch of the imagination. I would never say we're responsible for the success.

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Speaker 3: That's not true.

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Speaker 4: But in order for a star are to be the best she I'm gonna say she because to me, there's something special when it comes to the relationship between a gay black man and a black woman in the sense of when you're their producer and they have this big personality. So when you look at your decade long career, what is your most personal favorite moment, well.

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Speaker 1: A personal triumph, and it's once again rooted in shade. We happen to be talking about Future and we were talking about him having another child, and we were like, so, who are the women, like, who are the mothers of his children? And we just started like talking about it more and more like no, that's not no, it's not that lady. Who is this And so we just decided, let's like put up a chart of like all of Future's babies mamas and the's mama's mamas. And it was like so much fun. You would think we were like working for the Washington Post, like we were like Woodward and Bernstein, like We're like, nope, nope, it's a.

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Speaker 2: No's Hollywood, Miami. It's no, it's this lady. It's okay. We know Sierra's number four or is she number five? We don't know.

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Speaker 1: And then we're like trying to find pictures to match these women and then like explaining that to Wendy like she once.

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Speaker 2: We had to finished product.

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Speaker 1: Like she was like a kid on Christmas morning, Like she was like, I can't wait to get out there. I can't wait to do this. She's like, get me a pointer I want to have You're gonna go to school. It was like so rewarding because what you work so hard for you bring it to her and then she gets so excited and then she just takes it to another level. So I feel like that was one of my one of my proudest moments.

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Speaker 2: Give me my Emmy. He came up with the future baby Mama chart.

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Speaker 4: Or in the word of Wody Williams and Joscelyn, here's your flower.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that moment Jocelyne got us.

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Speaker 4: Did you know she was coming in hot or did she pretend she was gonna be nice?

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Speaker 1: She pretended she was gonna be nice, and she came and high she got us and it was live and we were like, what are we gonna do? Like did we pull it? And I think Wendy even herself said on air, like can we just pull the plug.

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Speaker 2: Like how long is this going to happen?

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Speaker 1: But that sucks for Jocelyne because like we are were her biggest champions, Like she was like vilified on the internet, and Wendy said nothing but nice things that we were nothing but nice to her. So I really don't understand why that happened. And she shot herself in the foot because she was never allowed back on you know, like we were her biggest champions, and it's not like she's going to be invited to be on the View or Rachel Ray, like this is your only daytime talk show outlet, and she like ruined the one show that would One.

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Speaker 4: Thing I want to talk to you about is obviously the Wendy Wilms Show has come to an end.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 4: And the one thing I always said about Wendy Williams is she invited people on her show that would not get pressed otherwise. And a lot of those people are black people, people of color, reality stars, singers like Wendy has given a platform to that show. I remember talking to Kenya Moore. This is a couple of years ago, and at one point Wendy wasn't discussing Atlanta Housewives a lot like she would have done every Monday morning.

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Speaker 3: There was like a dry spell. I remember that the ratings were going down for Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: This is years ago, and Kenya was saying to me, I think it's because Wendy is no longer talking about Atlanta Housewives, and that's hurting us.

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Speaker 3: And in that moment, I.

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Speaker 4: Realized that the power of her boys means a lot to people, and it means a lot to the culture, and it means a lot to audiences. So we don't We're not going to have that anymore in terms of this legend and icon who truly cement to herself in pop culture, but truly Black culture. So how did you feel when you learned that the show was coming to an end? Knowing that, I felt like you and Wendy, like me and Niani were like the closest of the clothes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm still kind of in the grieving process. I luckily have like a couple months off to recharge and resenter for Sherry Shepherd. But yeah, it's it's sad for the it's sad for the culture. It's sad for my relationship with her. You know, like we're good, we're good. We just kind of we had a working relationship, and like, you know, so I don't really speak to her as much. There were points when I we talked all day every day, you know, so, but you know, she's like she's not doing well, so we don't really speak as much.

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Speaker 3: When was the last time you spoken to Wendy.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's been a while. It's been like before this season started.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, Like if she called me right now, we pick up like nothing ever happened, you know, So I don't take it personally. Obviously, she's you know, not in the best of health. That's just it is what it is. So actually that's pretty that's like the saddest part about it, as that you know her health is and she's not in the best fighting form, you know, because she's the goat. And I remember, you know, like you can give hurt one name, you know, you can just say Kenymore and she could talk for twenty minutes about Kenymore unprompted, you know. So that's actually the really the sad part and the part I'm still kind of a grieving How.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel when people say they hate it the way the producers and obviously your producer, they'll group you into that too.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people hated the way the show.

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Speaker 4: Ended and they felt like she did not get the tribute she deserved. Did you guys reach out to her to do a video or to do anything to sort of like honor her.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, that's above me. It's above me.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I actually don't know what the process was or I don't know anything about it, but honestly, but there were internal talks about, like you know, between us, like what are we going to do?

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Speaker 2: How are we going to do it?

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Speaker 1: But those are decisions that are made above us, so we really didn't know until we got like our marching order.

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Speaker 2: It's like okay, so we're going to do this at the end, and we're gonna do this.

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't really involved in those talks, so I don't really know exactly how that happened, but I felt like what we did was from the heart and it was like good and it was, you know, what we were supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, there was there's actually no way to end that show, like.

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Speaker 1: There's no actual really sufficient way to and capsualize what we feel in our hearts for her anyway, So I felt like it was we were good and I got the last word of the series, so it was good.

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Speaker 2: So it feels special. I feel like I was part of something great.

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Speaker 1: So no matter what I do, and for the rest of my career, I know I was like part of something great for like twelve years and I got the last word on it, so it was good.

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Speaker 4: If Wendy is listening now, which I think Wendy does listen to Reality with the King, Hey, Wendy girl. But if Wendy is listening now, what would you like to say to her?

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Speaker 2: How you doing? So you know she knows I love her, she knows. There's not much to say.

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Speaker 1: We were just I would say, did you see Real House Sights of Atlanta last week?

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Speaker 2: And just pick up where we left off.

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Speaker 3: I love that. I love that.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I will say this so obviously my last question about Wendy is she announced recently huh that she's.

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Speaker 3: Coming out with the podcast uh huh, so we're able to hear her voice hopefully. How do you feel about that? And can you please be the first guest.

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Speaker 2: If that happens? Oh my god, I would be so angry if I wasn't the first guest. I mean pissed. Whether she invites me or not.

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Speaker 1: I'm showing up to like the serious Exim studios or wherever she is.

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Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more of my conversation with Norman. We'll be right back after this quick break. This is Reality with the King and I'm Carlinos King. Let's get back into my conversation of Norman. You're now the supervising producer of the Sherry Shepherd Show, which is going to premiere September twelfth.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh on.

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Speaker 4: All of the Fox stations that had the Windy Wilm Show. So what can you tell us, Norman about this brand new talk show that you're now going to be a part of.

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Speaker 1: Sherry Shepherd is like Wendy Jo Sepho Gvo, good vibe es over.

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Speaker 2: She's just a ray of sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Like she came in and when Wendy couldn't do it, and she and a bunch of other people stepped up and like saved our jobs and saved our show for a whole year and kept us going.

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Speaker 2: And Sherry was just like a natural fit. Like it was just she.

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Speaker 1: Got our show, We got her, and we were like, let's do it. But it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be like, you know, pop cultury and you know Light and Cherry is hilarious, So I think we'll just get more funny Sherry.

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Speaker 4: You know, for the people out there listening, some are obviously reality fans, talk show fans, but also people in the industry.

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Speaker 3: So let those.

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Speaker 4: Who aren't in the industry know what is your role as a supervising producer when it comes to a talk show.

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Speaker 2: So right now, I'll be at Wendy.

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Speaker 1: I was responsible for the you know, coming up with the whole first twenty minutes, and people I would take those pitches. People would pitch me stories, and it kind of went to me to be like, Okay, we're going to do this and that and this and the order in which we do it, and take that to the talent and inform them and also give them funny things to say if they haven't already thought of it themselves. But Sherry Shepherd Show, it's sort of still being worked out. What's happening. I still I am going to have the same role. I'm in charge of the act one, so I'll be in charge of the first act.

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Speaker 3: Can we see you on the Sherry Shepherd Show.

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Speaker 2: That is TVD I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to have have you on because you are also a huge fan of reality television, and I want to dedicate this portion to what's been happening on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills this season.

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Speaker 1: Beverly Hell's Oh my goodness, so good. Garcel is running the show, right, it's the Garcela.

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Speaker 4: Right, No, so Norman, I tweeted, because Kyle Richards is the uncredited executive producer of the Real Housepots of Beverly Hills, and she has been for many, many, many seasons. However, dot Org Garcel Bouvet is coming.

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Speaker 3: For Kyle Richards's title.

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Speaker 4: So I told my fans that this season, I'm giving Garsel the coke EP credit.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, Kyle is still EP.

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Speaker 4: Garcel this season is the COEP, and I think she may get promoted to EP next season depending on what happens.

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Speaker 3: But she is running the show.

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Speaker 4: She is starting the conversations, and she's putting people on notice. So as two producers, one in reality one in talk, you can see.

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Speaker 1: That too, right, absolutely, like she stirs the pot in a way that's not as transparent as like say Kenya Moore would do you know what I mean? Like she stirs the pot and you can see it. Same with like Jaselle Bryant, like I see your stertin pot.

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Speaker 4: This is the reason why you listeners, who I love and thank you for subscribing. Is good to have two producers from two different genres on the show because I tell people all the time, Giselle Bryant is the uncredited executive producer Potomac and they read me for a film like no, she ain't, but Norman, she is.

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Speaker 1: She one thousand percent is you see it? It makes the episode like her stirring the pot. So you know that's I think what That's what Garcella is doing.

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Speaker 2: She's the show.

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Speaker 3: No, she's fantastic, Kyle's great.

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Speaker 2: Sutton is chef's kiss. Suddon is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Suddon is like crazy a little bit, She's slightly funny. She gives us fashions backwards tuxedos.

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Speaker 3: And now I tell people all.

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Speaker 4: The time, Suting is your quintessential Southern white woman who comes from a certain class of wealth and access, and she behaves. She's not a Karen. So, by no stretch, is she a Karen. She's not a Karen, but she holds herself in this high regard that speaks wealth and class.

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Speaker 3: And when she reads you, it's sort of like.

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Speaker 4: How I imagine Nancy Reagan reading the girls at the White.

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Speaker 3: House great or Harbor Bush. Do you know what I mean? It's very no child is left behind, but I'm going to read you for your ad. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: It's very interesting. She's a very she's the white favorite.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: So the episode that I want to talk about is when Sutton and Diana were going at it and you have the EP Kyle step in, you have the co ep Garcelle step in to ignite the flames, and I thought Diana was hilarious. I was like, finally you're giving us something, because before that, I'm like, you're boring. So it was interesting that Diana was coming for Sutton, and I personally thought sudden held her own.

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Speaker 3: She was funny, she checked that ass.

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Speaker 2: She was great.

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Speaker 1: Diana actually didn't do herself any favors in that episode, Like she she.

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Speaker 2: Didn't make any sense. Her arguments weren't coherent.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's because English isn't her first language, but yeah, she just didn't make any sense. And she also says that she doesn't know what a black content creator is, but whatever.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, it must be tough being a black content creator. But my thing is this, uh huh, let's say for argument's sake, right, you really thought like, oh, I'm in dark.

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Speaker 3: Why are you equating any negativity with the word black?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Exactly, Like what is it about the word black that makes you feel like it's shade?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: That's the part that I don't get, because we ain't talking about black Friday, we ain't talking about the black market, which, by the way, all of those are problematic and we need to figure out how to eradicate those problematic words.

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Speaker 3: But I digress AnyWho.

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Speaker 4: Most recently, she did this Aliah for a page letter to Garcel about what she does for Haiti and for black charities.

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Speaker 3: Is not a Karen.

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Speaker 4: I feel like Diana gives me caring botes in the sense of she's very much like, oh, I'm not racist, I have black friends. Oh I'm not racist, I have black charity. Sun gave you all this energy and you had nothing for her after the episode on your Bravo blog.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: She just seems to be out of her depth on the show.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Diana's giving us much, and we didn't need Diana to begin with.

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Speaker 2: We had like an amazing cast last season.

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Speaker 1: It was just perfect, one of the all time greatest casts last season.

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Speaker 4: Overall, what are you giving this season of Beverly Hills Versus Atlanta? Because what I said to my Twitter fans and on this podcast is the Housewives of Atlanta fans are the beehive and the real Housewives of Billy Hills fans are the Navy. Rihanna's navy, and they attack each other. So who's having the best season so far?

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Speaker 3: In your opinion, it's.

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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills is winning right now. However, Atlanta's close to my heart. Atlanta is the one that I love the most. Atlanta's my favorite. However, this season of Beverly Hills, they're on fire. However, I do love what we're doing over in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: And you can tell it's like a rebuilding season.

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Speaker 1: You can tell that, like we keep these ladies, you know, built some stories and the next season it'll be on fire. Not to say this season isn't great, but you know they need to rebuild a little bit. But I do love we have some good starts with Charay coming back and Tyrone not coming back.

00:27:05
Speaker 5: And uh and uh she by Charae, which the producer and me saw that.

00:27:15
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I have mats and I have like merch or whatever. So obviously there's like, where can I buy this? So let me go to Shee by Charaine dot Com and I did get a four or four not found. But I love your chara but it just made me angry that she's been pushing she by SRA for what thirty years and you still don't have the product, especially if you put it on television by the time it airs, you want everybody to go buy it, which people like me, I would one thousand percent buy a she Byceae Yoga Matt, But you just think she would have the product ready by the time it is.

00:28:00
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

00:28:01
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm gonna say this as a reality TV producer who used to work for Bravo Real Hospitals at Atlanta, what they don't like to do is give away what's going to happen. So in Charae's defense, I think she's not able to have it available because you want to see whether or.

00:28:19
Speaker 3: Not she was able to pull off the items. So I'll say.

00:28:23
Speaker 4: This, you and I will revisit this, okay, and after the season finale, uh huh when we go on she by Charade dot com.

00:28:32
Speaker 3: And if there is a four O four.

00:28:35
Speaker 4: Not foul, that's the shadiest shit I've ever heard in my life. So if it's still that way that I will apologize to you.

00:28:44
Speaker 3: But I think that's what's going to happen.

00:28:47
Speaker 2: I think then we'll give her the benefit of that doubt. We will sure.

00:28:51
Speaker 4: Oh, Norman, I cannot thank you enough for doing this.

00:28:55
Speaker 3: I really had so much fun with you.

00:28:58
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. This is fun.

00:29:01
Speaker 4: So to all of my listeners where they can find you, follow you and what to expect from you, and you.

00:29:08
Speaker 1: Can follow me at at Norman Baker TV on Instagram and starting September twelfth, they'll be working at the Sherry Shepherd chef every day and that's what you can expect, raindrops.

00:29:22
Speaker 4: I can literally talk to Norman all day long. I feel like can I were separated at first. That's how much Hen and I have in comment And I hope you guys also understood the reference in terms of the producer and the diva, right, So When you think about my career and the women I work with, and you think about Norman and women's relationship, it.

00:29:47
Speaker 3: Goes to show you that a producer is.

00:29:50
Speaker 4: So integral into the success of the show. Yes, but also to the star of the show and what Norman has brought out of as relates to the comfortability she felt sitting in that purple chair, giving all of us her thoughts and having someone like Norman to banter off of it's just I.

00:30:13
Speaker 3: Mean, guys, it's just genius.

00:30:15
Speaker 4: Not only that as an openly gay black man, I'm so proud of Norman, and he's so humble, he's so sweet, and I really hope Norman knows the legacy he's leaving because it is my fundamental belief that little gay black boys are sitting at home watching Norman and aspiring to be him.

00:30:36
Speaker 3: And the fact that we were able to have this dialogue.

00:30:39
Speaker 4: I really hope that the flowers I gave him sprouts to be bigger than his imagination can handle. Want thoughts opinions reads about my conversation with Norman. Email me at Reality with the King at sinsra dot com for leading me a voicemail at three one oh five ninety.

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