Dear Horse World, It's Dr. Alberto Rullan: The Future of Healing Is Here—But is the Industry Ready?

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We're talking about 600% more
oxygen dissolved in the plasma

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after the hyperbaric chamber, 600%.

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So now we all know that oxygen
can help all those cells reproduce

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and fill in faster when your horse

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gets injured.

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The path.

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Is predictable.

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Call the vet, follow the textbook
treatment, hope for the best.

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But what if the future of healing isn't
in prescriptions or routine protocols,

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but in something far more powerful?

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For decades, regenerative therapies
like stem cells, ozone therapy, and

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PRP have transformed human medicine.

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Yet in the horse world, they've
been met with resistance,

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skepticism, and industry pushback.

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Dr. Alberto Ruan knows this fight
firsthand after witnessing his brother

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survive cancer, thanks to experimental
stem cell therapy, he made it his mission

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to bring these life-changing treatments.

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To equine care and the results,
nothing short of revolutionary.

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So why aren't these therapies mainstream?

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And what could they mean
for your horse's future?

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Stay with us because today we're
sharing what's possible when we

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break free from outdated systems
and demand better for our horses.

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Dear horse world is the Roberto Lan.

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Alberto, welcome to the
Dear Horse World Podcast.

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Thank you.

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I'm extremely excited to
be here with you, Noel.

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I'm extremely excited because before we
started recording, you said something

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that always gets me really excited.

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Yeah.

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Which you said, yeah.

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Let's stir things up.

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Absolutely.

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That's my specialty.

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Stirring things up, bringing
it on, revolutionizing.

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So I'm gonna read something from
your regenerative therapies book.

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I thought, I thought that
would kind of kick us off.

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Okay.

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'cause it really, it, it
perked my ears when I read it.

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Got it.

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Innovative equine regenerative
therapies are the need of the

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hour to save horses from getting
overloaded with pharmaceutical agents.

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There are so many reasons
to adopt such therapies.

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It is actually the ethical responsibility
of clinicians to not only treat patients

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with strong dosages of drugs, but to
find innovative solutions which are less

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harmful and more safe for the whole body.

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Many times, due to a lack of availability
of the latest therapies, patients

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couldn't be saved, kept alive.

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This is of great concern.

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Amen.

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Sounds like I wrote that.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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What made you wanna write that?

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Yeah, let me, let me give you a, a
little background on, on my story.

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Everything I do has some sort of
backstory of where I have learned

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it and it's usually because some
sort of, not traumatic event, but

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extremely traumatic event usually.

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So this particular one, um, dates back
to when I graduated veterinary school.

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All my life I grew up with,
with, uh, my brother William.

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And we were inseparable.

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So when I went to vet school, he was still
in back in Puerto Rico and he used to come

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with me on the summers and train to, for
the end goal to open a clinic together.

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So when we moved to Florida that
we were reaching our, reaching

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our goal, we were hitting wall
after wall because it was in 2000.

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Seven.

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And if you and the audience,
remember in 2008, everything started?

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Yeah.

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An eight point war.

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We had huge

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crisis.

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My main focus was lameness and
laminitis, and we couldn't treat

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patients because most of them were
unfortunately, we put to sleep.

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Whoa.

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Back in the days.

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Back in those days.

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Then we, my brother and I started,
um, we started our endeavor in

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treating layman and laminitis.

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However, my brother one day got
kicked by a horse and that kick we

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get kicked by horse commonly, right?

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So we didn't think much of it.

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However, he started showing some strange
symptoms and his leg kept getting.

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Blacker rather than better, and
then started to get, uh, yellow.

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We didn't think much of it, so he kept
working just like any horse person.

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Takes some ibuprofen.

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Yeah, and that's it.

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Went to the doctor.

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The doctor said, here's some
more pills, and kept going.

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Several days later or weeks
later, he's still feeling sick.

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He's starting now to cough and he's
starting now to have nasal discharge.

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So went to the doctor again and
the doctor gave him steroids.

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Then he went back home.

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Now he's in steroids plus,
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Yeah, plus some more drugs and,
and a pile of medicines, right?

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Like pain medication.

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Several weeks later, or days
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very tired and we are like, okay,
let's go to the emergency room.

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They started doing blood
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Blood cells, his red blood cells were
dropping like crazy, and he needed an

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emergency transfusion out of the blue.

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He needed now a, a
emergency blood transfusion.

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they started doing tests.

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No one could have, no, no one found out,
could find out what was wrong with my

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brother, and it was 22 at the moment.

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And I never forget this day at the
hospital, in the elevator, the doctor

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came and stop us and says, Hey, we know
now that your brother had leukemia.

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So, yeah, so he was then diagnosed
with leukemia at that moment

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and just couldn't believe it.

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And she left it up to me
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leukemia and the word came out.

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To a halt, to an end, however
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I was, uh, at the moment,
we, I was with my mom.

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The next a hundred days we spend
it at the hospital thinking

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that my brother was gonna die.

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However, several weeks later,
another doctor came in, which,

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by the way, I transferred.

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I requested an immediate
transfer from that hospital.

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Because I, I, I didn't like the approach.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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So we requested transfer to another
hospital and another doctor came,

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Hey, your brother qualified for an
experimental study with stem cells.

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And right there we were all in.

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were like, we didn't even think about it.

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cause now we are, we, we have some hope.

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And several weeks later, several
months later, he was cancer free.

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What?

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And we started working again
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I. Based on that story and, and
this experience, we are like, okay,

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so now we're gonna use alternative
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therapies and stem cells and others.

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To treat our patients, we want
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get the most out of this.

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Now let me, let me tell you before
that stem cells used to be a taboo.

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The stem cells were not well accepted.

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And why is that?

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Back in the days, they used to
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that they used to think that we had
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There was a big, there was a big
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and where they were coming from.

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and we live in a world of a lot of
information and a lot of misinformation.

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Correct.

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So as a veterinarian, when I was
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and we were using a lot of stem
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but in the human, it was not that.

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Well accepted yet.

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And when we got into this experimental
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that we pretty much base our practice on,
on alternative and radiative therapies.

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It was clear that he was getting
drug after drug after drug, rather

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than getting a proper diagnosis.

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Right.

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So we base our practice on diagnosing,
diagnosing, figuring out what's going

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on with the problem or what the problem
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And yes, we do still practice a lot
of, uh, what we call western medicine

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because a lot of clients are still having
resistant these days with regenerative.

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But we, we still educate.

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That's why we wrote this book on the
regenerative, uh, medicines available.

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So you find that you're often
treating horses in traditional

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ways because the owner

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a hundred percent has.

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Let's say like a resistant
mindset to what you're offering.

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a hundred percent.

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Not just the owner, the
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A lot of times, a lot of times horses
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referred by other veterinarians or,
or, or they have all the veterinarians

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behind those horses, right?

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So the, and, and they are extremely
against, uh, alternative therapies or,

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or regenerative therapies sometimes.

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Well, and it's interesting you mention
stem cell because I actually had a

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stem cell treatment on my knee when I
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My first time I tore my A CLI had a
high grade tear and I went and had ACL

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surgery, just the traditional one where
they take, like, they take a graft.

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In my case it took a graft from my
hamstring, and then they used that

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to replace and it was like full
on like full surgery and it was.

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The traditional approach.

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Yes.

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And I went to the, one of the best
in my city in Vancouver, and he did

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a lot of work on a lot of the Olympic
athletes for the Canadian team.

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So I went to the best, but the
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that they gave me mm-hmm.

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It really affected my, like my, my
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And I had terrible muscle atrophy.

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So when I did it again and I had a
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Mm-hmm.

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Um, and I did a lot of ski.

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I did, I did a lot of
skiing, so, oh, skiing.

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So I did a second high grade
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And um, I remember at the time
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going back and doing that again.

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Mm-hmm.

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There's no way that I would put
myself, my body through that.

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So I started doing some research
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therapy in Broomfield, Colorado.

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It's called ReGenX Clinic, and it's
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treatment for high grade muscle tissue.

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Tears like that.

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Ligament tears.

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Mm-hmm.

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I was blown away by the difference
in, so not only did I have equal

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or better than results mm-hmm.

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In the healing process.

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Mm-hmm.

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But I was back physically Yes.

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Like physically able to use my
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bike, to ride, to ski, to not to
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But I was able to do all the
physical things that I wanted to.

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And I didn't have any of the like
after effects or like the, the, what I

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would call like the side effects Yeah.

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Of the treatment.

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It was so much less invasive.

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so I can't help but think that
that's also the case for our horses.

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A hundred percent.

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And some of the great things that we
have discovered is that not just stem

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cells, but other regenerative therapies
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uh, PRP Alpha two M, um, ozone and.

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Oxygen hyperbaric chamber.

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All these things, which why?

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Why do we include 'em in this topic?

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It's because they improve the
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So they are great combination
with surgery, for example.

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Many times we have horses
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And these horses need either a bone chip
removed or need screws and plates to

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repair a fracture, just like a person.

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Mm-hmm.

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But what we have discovered is that when
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regenerative medicine with these combined
with the surgeries, the recovery, just

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like you say, is better, is faster.

247
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Yeah.

248
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Yeah.

249
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And the return to athletic performance is.

250
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Way faster than the
traditional approaches.

251
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What was the traditional approach?

252
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Wait and see what happened.

253
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Totally wait and see what happened.

254
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But I'm always, I'm
always just so intrigued.

255
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Why waiting and see what happened
when we can actually prevent.

256
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Mm. So I, I am one of those in
our industry is very common.

257
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They, they teach us in VE school,
wait and see what happened.

258
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Great.

259
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But check this out.

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If you have a problem, you have a
fracture, you have a ligament tear,

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and you wait and see what happened.

262
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By the time you wait and saw that
it didn't go right, you have scar.

263
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Yeah.

264
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You have decreased range of motion.

265
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Yes.

266
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You have decreasing cartilage.

267
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Yeah.

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Uh, sickness.

269
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Or you have degeneration.

270
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Yeah.

271
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And then now you waited.

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See what happened.

273
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And then now.

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Either you cannot fix it or it's gonna
be a lot more expensive to fix, or

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the prognosis is not gonna be as good.

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So why not use early treatment to prevent
something that you know is gonna happen?

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So that's kind of our, that's kind
of our approach on using the, the

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regenerative and alternative therapies.

279
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So let's dive into some of the specifics,
because now since I've met you, my

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horses are using some of these therapies
and I've been really excited and also

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surprised that when I speak to different
vet techs that I've known for a long

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time, they, so, like, for example, ozone
therapy, I'd never heard of it before.

283
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Yeah.

284
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I have different people even who've
worked for me that worked in the

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vet veterinary science, uh, field.

286
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Mm-hmm.

287
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Never heard of ozone therapy

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in the United States.

289
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This is a taboo, just like
stem cells used to be a taboo.

290
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Why is it a taboo?

291
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Well, have you ever.

292
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Think who are the biggest
lobbyist in the Congress?

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Hispanic.

294
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Yeah.

295
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Our

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pol in this political
system in the United States.

297
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Who are the biggest, where's
the biggest money coming from?

298
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Do you know?

299
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Pharmaceuticals.

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Pharmaceuticals.

301
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Mm-hmm.

302
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Right.

303
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So, and

304
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not just human, but there's, I
mean, the animal pharmaceutical.

305
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Absolutely.

306
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It's minus, yeah.

307
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It's all related.

308
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Yeah.

309
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When I went to vet school, I
paid for very little lunch.

310
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Most of my lunch were paid
by pharmaceutical companies.

311
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Your lunch, our lunches for everybody.

312
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They go to our, they go to the schools.

313
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Wow.

314
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And they pay for our launches.

315
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Right.

316
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But on the education,
they give us education.

317
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Say, Hey, come listen to this talk.

318
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Yeah.

319
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And we'll pay you lunch.

320
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But you think that influences the
minds of veterinarians early on?

321
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Well,

322
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let me ask you a question now you have,
you are a middle class to low class.

323
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Woman.

324
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Yeah.

325
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Or man.

326
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Mm-hmm.

327
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You are 22, you just
got a loan for $300,000.

328
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For your degree.

329
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For your degree, your education.

330
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Yes.

331
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And you have to quit your job because
now you have to be a full-time student.

332
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Yeah.

333
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Or you have a job that pays you 12.

334
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In my case, when I went to
school, it was $11 an hour.

335
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Mm-hmm.

336
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And someone tells you that's
gonna pay for your lunch.

337
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Yeah.

338
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I mean, what, where do you wanna save?

339
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Wherever you wanna save, right?

340
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Of course.

341
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Yeah.

342
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So, so now, but check this out.

343
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Check this out.

344
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How, how cool it goes.

345
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Because it, it is a good thing
to provide the education.

346
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What they're, what they're doing is
providing the education to the client.

347
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To the client, to their future
client, which is the vet. Yeah.

348
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And this time, the student
who is in distress.

349
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Because of the schools
and everything has to go.

350
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So they're making it easy.

351
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Yeah.

352
00:16:51,625 --> 00:16:53,085
Hey, don't go out to buy lunch.

353
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Yeah.

354
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Get your lunch here.

355
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Yeah.

356
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We'll just pay for it.

357
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Just listen to this talk because this is
a drug that you will use in the future.

358
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Mm-hmm.

359
00:17:00,525 --> 00:17:03,115
That we have done some research on it.

360
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Mm-hmm.

361
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And it's FDA approved.

362
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Mm-hmm.

363
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Which means that 51% of the
patients show a little improvement.

364
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So it's if, is that
what's required for Yeah.

365
00:17:11,944 --> 00:17:12,065
Right.

366
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D approval 51%.

367
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Yeah.

368
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So, so they got approved fight
by the FDA, and then now we have

369
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an audience that is a potential
candidate to use that when

370
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they graduate from vet school.

371
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Mm-hmm.

372
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And how

373
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long are you in vet school for?

374
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I was, you're in that vet in vet school.

375
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You're four years.

376
00:17:33,825 --> 00:17:34,115
Yeah.

377
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But before that, you spent
four years in in college.

378
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Because

379
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I'm thinking that's four years of Oh yeah.

380
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Familiarization.

381
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That's four years of getting
really familiar with a company

382
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of our beautiful company.

383
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It

384
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is genius.

385
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Yeah, it is

386
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genius.

387
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It, it is genius.

388
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So I, we never thought of this and I
don't know if ever, I don't know if

389
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anyone have ever thought about this.

390
00:17:54,295 --> 00:17:55,995
It is just, I've never
heard people talk about it.

391
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I don't think anyone has.

392
00:17:57,835 --> 00:18:03,035
I just thought about it because when
I started coming out and using these

393
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technologies, the first people that
were against it were veterinarians.

394
00:18:09,425 --> 00:18:15,325
And I say, why would they be against
something that causes no harm?

395
00:18:17,065 --> 00:18:17,515
That works.

396
00:18:17,820 --> 00:18:20,470
That works, works better
in some cases that works.

397
00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:21,950
That has no side effects.

398
00:18:22,260 --> 00:18:22,550
Yeah.

399
00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:24,070
Why would you be against it?

400
00:18:24,090 --> 00:18:25,350
And then I was, I kept going.

401
00:18:25,470 --> 00:18:27,510
I just couldn't, I really
couldn't fathom it.

402
00:18:28,170 --> 00:18:29,750
And then I tried like, wait a minute.

403
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:36,270
It is actually the great
marketing that they do.

404
00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:41,470
I mean, our blood cannot just
go and do you do marketing?

405
00:18:41,490 --> 00:18:41,870
You cannot.

406
00:18:42,180 --> 00:18:42,470
Yeah.

407
00:18:42,530 --> 00:18:43,550
You know, you know what I'm saying?

408
00:18:43,930 --> 00:18:45,870
Our blood has very low marketing skills.

409
00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:46,470
It's true.

410
00:18:46,810 --> 00:18:48,670
Oxygen has low, very marketing skills.

411
00:18:48,890 --> 00:18:49,510
Yes, it's true.

412
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:53,750
Ozone has very low marketing
skills or money, or they don't

413
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:54,590
have any money to market.

414
00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:54,990
Well,

415
00:18:54,990 --> 00:18:57,270
because you can also
individually empower the person.

416
00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:58,190
Right.

417
00:18:58,190 --> 00:19:02,110
Because a lot of people like, I mean
since, since learning about ozone, I've

418
00:19:02,110 --> 00:19:05,030
learned so much about this whole subsect.

419
00:19:06,024 --> 00:19:10,844
Of people who are, are utilizing
and many people of which I won't

420
00:19:10,844 --> 00:19:12,925
mention in this podcast, 'cause
I don't have their permission.

421
00:19:13,024 --> 00:19:13,245
No.

422
00:19:13,425 --> 00:19:18,044
But people from all, at all levels
of the equestrian industry use ozone

423
00:19:19,195 --> 00:19:21,175
on their horses and on themselves.

424
00:19:21,284 --> 00:19:21,574
Yeah.

425
00:19:21,834 --> 00:19:23,495
And I was blown away.

426
00:19:23,495 --> 00:19:23,854
It's great.

427
00:19:23,854 --> 00:19:29,024
It was like finding out about,
I don't know, Easter bun.

428
00:19:29,054 --> 00:19:32,104
Like so something, something
almost, not mythical, but just

429
00:19:32,104 --> 00:19:33,584
like something that was present.

430
00:19:33,804 --> 00:19:34,225
Hidden.

431
00:19:34,485 --> 00:19:34,945
But hidden.

432
00:19:35,094 --> 00:19:35,385
Yeah,

433
00:19:35,385 --> 00:19:35,784
yeah, yeah.

434
00:19:35,844 --> 00:19:41,975
It hidden because, uh, you know, I, lemme
tell you a, a very interesting story.

435
00:19:42,135 --> 00:19:46,975
I put a, when I first started doing
this, a client came to me with

436
00:19:47,084 --> 00:19:50,014
very desperate, and she won it.

437
00:19:51,379 --> 00:19:51,870
Answers.

438
00:19:51,870 --> 00:19:56,350
And she wanted the horse fixed and pay
attention to this story because this

439
00:19:56,350 --> 00:19:57,950
horse was sick for a very long time.

440
00:19:58,689 --> 00:20:01,270
It has a respiratory disease
for a very, very long time.

441
00:20:02,370 --> 00:20:06,070
And she went to a practice,
to a hospital here in town.

442
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:07,220
And

443
00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:13,460
then she came to us looking for an
alternative, and we actually did stem

444
00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:16,500
cells on that horse in the lungs back
in the days I was never heard of.

445
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:16,939
Wow.

446
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:20,460
And I told, we told the client,
this is actually experimental.

447
00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:21,020
Okay.

448
00:20:21,540 --> 00:20:22,620
I, we told her Yeah.

449
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,700
And, and she signed.

450
00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:24,340
And she agreed.

451
00:20:24,340 --> 00:20:24,540
Right.

452
00:20:24,540 --> 00:20:24,700
Yeah.

453
00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:24,899
Yeah.

454
00:20:25,030 --> 00:20:25,379
Great.

455
00:20:26,050 --> 00:20:33,600
Then several years later, I found out
because she tried to put a complaint

456
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,960
on us that the horse did not get cured.

457
00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:39,240
That's it.

458
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,000
That was a complaint.

459
00:20:40,060 --> 00:20:41,280
The horse did not get cured.

460
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:41,600
Mm-hmm.

461
00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:45,530
And she put a big fit.

462
00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:47,020
A big fit.

463
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,460
She even went to the board.

464
00:20:50,195 --> 00:20:53,695
The Florida State Board because
I did an experimental study

465
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in her, in her horse mm-hmm.

466
00:20:55,525 --> 00:20:56,335
With stem cells.

467
00:20:56,355 --> 00:20:56,775
Mm-hmm.

468
00:20:57,355 --> 00:21:00,095
But she agreed to be in
that experimental study.

469
00:21:00,095 --> 00:21:00,375
Yeah.

470
00:21:00,375 --> 00:21:00,535
Yeah.

471
00:21:00,835 --> 00:21:06,315
But what was, what prompted her to
put the complaint and, and try to fill

472
00:21:06,315 --> 00:21:12,015
out a lawsuit that never passed any
attorney that when she went back to her

473
00:21:12,235 --> 00:21:15,615
vet, her hospital here in town mm-hmm.

474
00:21:15,705 --> 00:21:17,335
She's one of the most known.

475
00:21:17,335 --> 00:21:20,415
At that time, they told her
that the horse was not cure.

476
00:21:21,615 --> 00:21:21,835
Mm.

477
00:21:22,295 --> 00:21:23,395
But check this out.

478
00:21:23,395 --> 00:21:23,675
Yeah.

479
00:21:24,095 --> 00:21:27,555
But when the records came out, because
you know, they have to disclose records.

480
00:21:27,815 --> 00:21:28,035
Yes.

481
00:21:28,415 --> 00:21:33,305
The doctor's medical records say
the horse had actually improved.

482
00:21:34,205 --> 00:21:34,425
Wow.

483
00:21:35,215 --> 00:21:42,235
However, they say a, a non FDA
approved procedure was done by me.

484
00:21:42,305 --> 00:21:42,595
Yeah.

485
00:21:43,135 --> 00:21:43,425
Yeah.

486
00:21:44,155 --> 00:21:45,495
And the horse didn't get cured.

487
00:21:45,495 --> 00:21:46,335
But the medical records.

488
00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:48,880
The horse did improve, the horse did

489
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:49,200
improve,

490
00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:52,160
so, and it had not
improved four years prior.

491
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:52,720
Four years

492
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,040
prior.

493
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:55,760
Mm. But how interesting is that?

494
00:21:56,700 --> 00:22:04,190
But it makes me think that often, you
know, when we disrupt the status quo.

495
00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:04,710
Yeah.

496
00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:09,700
Often I find, and the horse world
is no exception to this behavior,

497
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:14,700
but humans are, often it's met
with resistance always first.

498
00:22:14,850 --> 00:22:15,140
Yeah.

499
00:22:15,390 --> 00:22:15,740
Right.

500
00:22:15,790 --> 00:22:17,700
First suspicion, first resistance.

501
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,660
And maybe we've been trained that way.

502
00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:23,940
Maybe it's in our biology, but
there's always this feeling of, hmm,

503
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,700
no, this can't be, it can't be that.

504
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,940
It can't be not that
easy, but it can't be it.

505
00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:32,180
This can't be the solution.

506
00:22:32,410 --> 00:22:35,740
It's a huge disbelief and,
and I think that you're right.

507
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,540
You know, anybody that has come up with
something new is gonna be seen kind of.

508
00:22:41,709 --> 00:22:42,580
Crazy, if you will.

509
00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:42,899
Right.

510
00:22:43,429 --> 00:22:44,580
Crazy disruptive.

511
00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:47,300
And I, I really don't, like you
said, I don't, I don't know where

512
00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:48,459
it's, maybe it's neuro biology.

513
00:22:50,209 --> 00:22:54,459
Well, and I also, I was actually,
I was, I had breakfast with one

514
00:22:54,459 --> 00:22:55,659
of our masterclass instructors.

515
00:22:55,659 --> 00:22:56,699
Her name is Max Corcoran.

516
00:22:56,699 --> 00:22:59,860
She's a, like a top level groom.

517
00:22:59,929 --> 00:23:02,419
Many people listen to this
podcast will know who she is.

518
00:23:02,429 --> 00:23:07,020
She's a highly respected horse care
and horse management advocate in,

519
00:23:07,159 --> 00:23:08,739
in different, at the Olympic level.

520
00:23:09,239 --> 00:23:14,939
And I said to her, I said, sometimes I
wonder that as a, as a community, as a,

521
00:23:14,939 --> 00:23:19,500
like a, as a subculture, as a horse world,
as, because we're so used to working so

522
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:24,260
hard for everything we work, I, I would
say as a, as a, as a people, uhhuh, yeah.

523
00:23:24,260 --> 00:23:27,219
We work 10 times harder than many, right?

524
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,860
To just develop an outcome,
not even necessarily a better

525
00:23:30,860 --> 00:23:31,939
outcome, but just an outcome.

526
00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:36,280
So I think we're trained at a very young
age to work really hard to get a result.

527
00:23:36,740 --> 00:23:41,560
And I said, I wonder sometimes whether
our limiting belief as a community is

528
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,440
that everything has to be hard work.

529
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:47,600
Oh, you just touched on something
very powerful, a limiting belief.

530
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:48,040
Yeah.

531
00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:53,600
Our limiting belief could have been,
uh, ingrained in our brain and,

532
00:23:53,860 --> 00:23:54,640
and trained, right?

533
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,320
Because so much of horses is hard work.

534
00:23:57,590 --> 00:24:01,000
Like to, to have a horse is much
harder work than having a dog.

535
00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:03,480
To have a horse is much harder
than not having a horse.

536
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:03,760
Right?

537
00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:07,640
So even from, from a very young age,
we're taught, okay, you know, we have

538
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,880
to work from, from sundown to sun up.

539
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,480
Like, you ever talk to a horse person
and say, oh, do you work nine to five?

540
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,480
And they'll laugh at you, right?

541
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,480
Because it's just you're working longer
hours, you're working six days a week, you

542
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,720
have less time off and, and you're also
being met with a ton of disappointment.

543
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:24,440
You're met with a ton
of unexpected outcomes.

544
00:24:24,820 --> 00:24:27,440
So I wonder sometimes as
a collective, culturally.

545
00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:33,290
Do we have this fundamental belief that,
oh, if we want a really good outcome,

546
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:37,649
it's gonna be much, it's gonna be
through a lot of hard work that there's

547
00:24:37,649 --> 00:24:39,129
no such thing as a simple answer.

548
00:24:39,149 --> 00:24:40,050
That's a great point.

549
00:24:40,570 --> 00:24:41,290
I love that point.

550
00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:43,649
I really, I really resonate
with that point a lot.

551
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:47,770
And, and I, I resonate with
that point myself personally.

552
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:54,300
Sometimes I find myself working harder
than I need to in order to do something.

553
00:24:54,980 --> 00:24:55,220
Absolutely.

554
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:57,659
I I, I never thought about it, but
you are a hundred percent right.

555
00:24:58,149 --> 00:25:00,210
So, so, so what is ozone therapy back?

556
00:25:00,210 --> 00:25:01,210
Yeah, back to the ozone.

557
00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:05,889
Um, uh, what, oh, another thing
that I wanted to tell you is ozone

558
00:25:05,889 --> 00:25:09,659
is not an FDA approved therapy.

559
00:25:09,850 --> 00:25:10,139
Okay.

560
00:25:10,139 --> 00:25:10,420
Okay.

561
00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:11,860
Very important to know.

562
00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:18,149
Often it's not an FDA approved
therapy, so it's almost like when I

563
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:22,070
first started doing it almost feels
like you're doing something illegal.

564
00:25:22,540 --> 00:25:22,830
Whoa.

565
00:25:23,530 --> 00:25:26,629
It really does, because
in the United States.

566
00:25:28,035 --> 00:25:36,655
What you do is anything that is not
FDA approved comes with, oh, you're

567
00:25:36,655 --> 00:25:37,935
doing something that is not approved.

568
00:25:38,665 --> 00:25:39,015
Right.

569
00:25:39,275 --> 00:25:41,695
So that sounds like, is that illegal?

570
00:25:41,845 --> 00:25:42,135
Yeah.

571
00:25:42,135 --> 00:25:43,255
That's a language piece.

572
00:25:43,255 --> 00:25:43,455
Yeah.

573
00:25:43,605 --> 00:25:44,135
Very important.

574
00:25:44,395 --> 00:25:44,615
Yes.

575
00:25:45,035 --> 00:25:50,095
And, and I got very informed on this,
very early on, uh, because of that.

576
00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:56,375
So I, I spent a lot of money on attorneys
figuring out, okay, how can I do

577
00:25:56,375 --> 00:26:01,905
this and ensure that I'm covering my
bases because I'm bringing a therapy?

578
00:26:03,335 --> 00:26:04,025
That works.

579
00:26:04,735 --> 00:26:06,025
That has no side effects.

580
00:26:06,765 --> 00:26:08,305
How could these be illegal?

581
00:26:09,885 --> 00:26:10,705
And, and I think,

582
00:26:10,765 --> 00:26:13,625
and also many of us don't
actually understand the protocols.

583
00:26:14,185 --> 00:26:17,265
I certainly don't understand the
protocols of what it takes to get

584
00:26:17,265 --> 00:26:18,665
something approved by the FDA.

585
00:26:19,105 --> 00:26:19,305
Absolutely.

586
00:26:19,425 --> 00:26:19,945
A hundred percent.

587
00:26:20,125 --> 00:26:20,345
So

588
00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:25,665
we, we use it as a measure of efficacy or
we use it as a measure of merit, but yet

589
00:26:25,665 --> 00:26:27,185
we don't actually understand its process.

590
00:26:27,645 --> 00:26:35,635
And the first thing to understand is
that any drug ever made probably was

591
00:26:35,635 --> 00:26:36,915
not FDA approved at the beginning.

592
00:26:37,465 --> 00:26:38,315
Yeah, right.

593
00:26:38,865 --> 00:26:41,835
Does it a any drug has
an experimental phase,

594
00:26:42,175 --> 00:26:42,515
of course.

595
00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:47,305
And any therapy also has
an experimental face.

596
00:26:47,315 --> 00:26:47,665
Right.

597
00:26:48,205 --> 00:26:48,425
So.

598
00:26:49,910 --> 00:26:55,390
I think that, that, that has to do
with it because the FDA tries to

599
00:26:55,390 --> 00:26:58,950
give the, by the way, I have been
investigated three times by the FDA.

600
00:26:59,050 --> 00:26:59,470
Really?

601
00:26:59,620 --> 00:26:59,910
Yeah.

602
00:27:00,190 --> 00:27:03,470
I don't think any other clinic in
here, in the, in, in this area has

603
00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:05,190
been investigated so long, so much.

604
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:05,630
Really?

605
00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:06,030
Yeah.

606
00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:06,390
Why?

607
00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:09,790
And, and I'm the only one doing
all this alternative that are, and

608
00:27:09,790 --> 00:27:12,750
I'll also mention to everyone who's
listening and watching that also,

609
00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:16,110
Alberto has been highly recommended
to me by a number of horsemen and

610
00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:17,430
horse women that I highly respect.

611
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:17,950
Thank you.

612
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:18,630
Thank So

613
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:20,270
it's important to also mention that Yes.

614
00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:21,030
Important information.

615
00:27:21,030 --> 00:27:21,430
Thank you.

616
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:26,070
I, and, and I, I don't see as a bad thing
being investigated by the FDA first.

617
00:27:26,170 --> 00:27:27,430
We pass with flying colors.

618
00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:27,870
Yeah.

619
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,430
Every time.

620
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:29,870
Mm-hmm.

621
00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:31,750
Like absolutely nothing.

622
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,220
Uh, because we have been, well, well
educated on, on, on obviously how to,

623
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,140
how to do, how, how to do our therapies.

624
00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:41,580
Plus we are doing good for the horse.

625
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:41,980
Yeah.

626
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,500
Anyway,

627
00:27:42,540 --> 00:27:43,100
I digress.

628
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:43,300
Well,

629
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:44,340
you've done good for my horses.

630
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,300
That's what I can say.

631
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:45,620
Mm-hmm.

632
00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:46,140
Thank you.

633
00:27:47,295 --> 00:27:50,875
So we go on and we have
this experimental drug.

634
00:27:50,875 --> 00:27:57,485
And the FDA, I think has done a
really good job, uh, marketing a

635
00:27:57,485 --> 00:28:04,475
safety, sort of like a safety window
for the, for the American public.

636
00:28:04,785 --> 00:28:05,075
Yeah.

637
00:28:05,135 --> 00:28:06,875
And that's a good thing, which

638
00:28:06,875 --> 00:28:08,235
is a good, we have, we

639
00:28:08,235 --> 00:28:09,515
have credit that having mm-hmm.

640
00:28:09,595 --> 00:28:11,275
Safety protocols in place Yeah.

641
00:28:11,375 --> 00:28:14,075
For pharmaceutical drugs
that go to market is vital

642
00:28:14,815 --> 00:28:15,475
or general health.

643
00:28:15,615 --> 00:28:15,835
Yep.

644
00:28:16,095 --> 00:28:21,435
And then you asked earlier, what does
it take to do FDA, uh, F fda, FDA

645
00:28:21,555 --> 00:28:25,195
approved and I, I, I have participated
multiple FDA studies, so I can

646
00:28:25,275 --> 00:28:29,255
tell you with confidence, the first
thing it takes is the population

647
00:28:29,275 --> 00:28:30,455
and they're very good studies.

648
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,930
Extremely good studies, very difficult.

649
00:28:34,790 --> 00:28:38,850
And the horse were very difficult
because of the caseload situation, right?

650
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:40,810
We don't have as many caseload as humans.

651
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,250
Like for a study in a human you can
easily get a thousand person, right?

652
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:47,490
But in studying horses, you to get
a thousand horses is very difficult.

653
00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:49,570
So the number is, is much less.

654
00:28:50,670 --> 00:28:54,850
And you have, they have to be,
to be a really good study, have

655
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:56,930
to be double-blinded control.

656
00:28:57,470 --> 00:29:00,370
So that means that there are
multiple investigators, okay?

657
00:29:01,090 --> 00:29:05,850
Multiple, uh, multiple treatment
modalities that are given without

658
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:07,330
the investigator know what they are.

659
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,170
Okay?

660
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:15,240
And, and they have to prove that
there is an unbiased improvement.

661
00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:22,520
That improvement needs to be absolutely
unequivocally, uh, apparent a pattern.

662
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:23,320
And that's.

663
00:29:24,790 --> 00:29:28,060
51%. So more than more than half.

664
00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:28,580
Okay.

665
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:28,899
Right.

666
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,260
So they're really good studies
to give credit to the FDA.

667
00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:39,040
They're really good studies and if,
if a drug passes the FDA, uh, study,

668
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:42,240
they went into a ridiculous investment.

669
00:29:43,860 --> 00:29:45,659
I mean, millions and millions of dollars.

670
00:29:45,879 --> 00:29:46,100
Wow.

671
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:52,280
Which no one that produces ozone
has that kind of money to prove

672
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:54,360
to, to get an FDA study on it.

673
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:54,639
Right.

674
00:29:55,565 --> 00:29:56,425
So that, yeah.

675
00:29:56,524 --> 00:29:57,945
What's the only way, so that sounds like

676
00:29:57,945 --> 00:29:58,985
a huge barrier to entry.

677
00:29:59,095 --> 00:29:59,585
Exactly.

678
00:29:59,725 --> 00:30:03,385
What's the only way to get a huge
amount or to, to get that much

679
00:30:03,385 --> 00:30:04,865
money if, do you have funding?

680
00:30:05,325 --> 00:30:05,544
Yes.

681
00:30:05,565 --> 00:30:06,865
And where does that funding come from?

682
00:30:06,865 --> 00:30:07,945
From the pharmaceuticals.

683
00:30:07,995 --> 00:30:08,825
Right, right.

684
00:30:09,205 --> 00:30:12,105
So it all, it all goes linked
to the pharmaceutical thing.

685
00:30:12,365 --> 00:30:14,065
But we are making great strides.

686
00:30:14,065 --> 00:30:14,305
Okay.

687
00:30:14,305 --> 00:30:15,264
We're making great stride.

688
00:30:15,264 --> 00:30:18,145
Back in the days chiropractic
was not well accepted either.

689
00:30:18,395 --> 00:30:19,985
Osteopathy, sir. Osteopathy.

690
00:30:20,395 --> 00:30:21,065
Osteopathy

691
00:30:21,065 --> 00:30:23,145
was like wizardry, like witchy people

692
00:30:23,965 --> 00:30:24,185
at

693
00:30:25,415 --> 00:30:25,705
Yeah.

694
00:30:25,774 --> 00:30:26,065
Even

695
00:30:26,135 --> 00:30:26,945
massage therapy.

696
00:30:27,205 --> 00:30:31,225
So we are making great stripes because
of people like you bringing this.

697
00:30:32,889 --> 00:30:33,510
To be known.

698
00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:35,270
Mm. Because, because, well,

699
00:30:35,270 --> 00:30:36,510
and I think it's about education.

700
00:30:36,689 --> 00:30:36,909
Yes.

701
00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:40,909
You know, again, we as a platform
believe deeply that the more educated

702
00:30:40,969 --> 00:30:42,389
you are, the more empowered you are.

703
00:30:42,449 --> 00:30:48,310
The more empowered you are, the more this,
the more able you are to make decisions

704
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:49,990
that are in the best interest of you.

705
00:30:50,169 --> 00:30:52,750
And in and in our industry's case, re yes.

706
00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:57,219
Because at the end of the day,
it's, it's a very every case.

707
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,459
Yes, you can, yes, there are statistics
and yes, there are averages, but you

708
00:31:01,459 --> 00:31:04,139
have to be able to make decisions
that are best for the individual.

709
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:04,820
Yes.

710
00:31:04,919 --> 00:31:05,219
You know?

711
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,100
Yes, absolutely.

712
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:06,899
A hundred percent agree.

713
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,820
So, back to the, what is Ola?

714
00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:09,060
Yeah.

715
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:09,260
What is

716
00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:10,179
everyone's going, okay.

717
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:10,780
What

718
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,899
is, what is ozone?

719
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:12,459
So.

720
00:31:13,335 --> 00:31:14,665
Exactly what it sounds like.

721
00:31:14,725 --> 00:31:18,105
You know when you're in school and
you study about the ozone ledger Yeah.

722
00:31:18,105 --> 00:31:18,705
On the planet.

723
00:31:18,815 --> 00:31:19,105
Yeah.

724
00:31:19,605 --> 00:31:20,905
So that is ozone.

725
00:31:20,905 --> 00:31:21,665
It's O three.

726
00:31:22,085 --> 00:31:27,345
You know, o oxygen has, if you, if
you draw the oxygen symbol, it's O2.

727
00:31:27,534 --> 00:31:27,825
Okay.

728
00:31:28,085 --> 00:31:30,145
And then oxygen ozone is O three.

729
00:31:30,575 --> 00:31:30,865
Okay.

730
00:31:30,975 --> 00:31:32,825
That, that's, that's exactly what it is.

731
00:31:33,445 --> 00:31:38,665
And it's made by a machine feeding oxygen.

732
00:31:38,885 --> 00:31:42,784
You feed, you, you, if you are,
I'm not gonna go back into the

733
00:31:43,625 --> 00:31:46,395
chemistry part of it, I'm just
gonna tell you the basics of it.

734
00:31:46,465 --> 00:31:46,754
Okay.

735
00:31:46,855 --> 00:31:49,034
So there is, imagine this is a machine.

736
00:31:49,054 --> 00:31:49,475
Mm-hmm.

737
00:31:50,294 --> 00:31:52,675
You put ozone o oxygen in this machine.

738
00:31:52,675 --> 00:31:53,034
Mm-hmm.

739
00:31:53,365 --> 00:31:55,754
There is a reaction inside.

740
00:31:55,754 --> 00:31:55,955
Mm-hmm.

741
00:31:57,020 --> 00:32:01,110
What comes out is O three is ozone is O
three, O three, which is the same thing.

742
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:01,590
Right?

743
00:32:02,010 --> 00:32:06,470
So that's how we produce ozone for
those, for your audience that is

744
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:09,070
extremely chemically, um, inclined.

745
00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:13,030
They can easily Google and figure
out the reaction is with the,

746
00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:14,790
it uses uv, like et cetera.

747
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:15,190
Cool.

748
00:32:15,650 --> 00:32:21,800
And then that it has, we, the person who
find this was obviously ingenious and

749
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:26,660
I'm not sure who it was because you take
that and you put it in the human body.

750
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:27,540
Yeah.

751
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,980
And or the horse's body.

752
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,940
Or the horse's body.

753
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,420
Or the joints, yeah.

754
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,260
And it has a great
anti-inflammatory effect.

755
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:42,400
One, if you put it in the bloodstream, it
has actually a great oxygenation effect

756
00:32:42,780 --> 00:32:45,480
in the, in the red blood cells as well.

757
00:32:47,025 --> 00:32:50,365
And it has great effect in
the immune system as well.

758
00:32:51,265 --> 00:32:53,725
It has great antibacterial effect.

759
00:32:54,265 --> 00:32:59,285
And now, now some hospitals are
using ozone to disinfect the surgical

760
00:32:59,545 --> 00:33:01,445
suites and instruments and all that.

761
00:33:01,545 --> 00:33:04,365
So ozone is a great disinfectant as well.

762
00:33:04,705 --> 00:33:06,645
And does that mean it's
good for parasites?

763
00:33:06,945 --> 00:33:07,645
And it is.

764
00:33:08,145 --> 00:33:11,125
I'm not sure if there's any research
at this moment on parasite, but

765
00:33:11,125 --> 00:33:12,605
there's plenty of research on bacteria

766
00:33:14,825 --> 00:33:17,205
and, and so it kills bacteria.

767
00:33:17,715 --> 00:33:18,205
Amazing.

768
00:33:18,985 --> 00:33:26,255
So if now, now people ask me, wait a
minute, we use it to disinfect, but

769
00:33:26,375 --> 00:33:31,165
we also use products to disinfect
and, and chlorine and all that.

770
00:33:31,185 --> 00:33:32,845
So you mean if that, is it harmful?

771
00:33:33,565 --> 00:33:37,445
I said, no, it's, it's not, it's not
one of those disinfectant that you are

772
00:33:37,445 --> 00:33:41,505
thinking that kills everything for it.

773
00:33:41,525 --> 00:33:42,105
It doesn't.

774
00:33:42,565 --> 00:33:44,425
It kills bacteria, some bacteria.

775
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,700
Do not do well in ozone,
which is good for us.

776
00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:48,140
Yeah.

777
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,860
It improve oxygenation on the blood.

778
00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:51,140
Yeah.

779
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:57,340
It decreases inflammation in the,
in the cells and also in the joints.

780
00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:57,620
Yeah.

781
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,430
Uh, actually I have done it, I
have used it myself on multiple

782
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:04,070
areas and I can attest to that.

783
00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:04,470
Yeah.

784
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:05,150
Myself.

785
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:05,550
Yeah.

786
00:34:06,290 --> 00:34:10,070
And so when you give it to horses, could
we maybe share with, with our listeners

787
00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:13,710
and with the audience a little bit about
what does administration look like?

788
00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:14,070
Okay.

789
00:34:14,070 --> 00:34:14,230
Perfect.

790
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,110
There are, there are
multiple ways to administer.

791
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:20,270
And when you Google it, 'cause I
know after this we've, there's a huge

792
00:34:20,449 --> 00:34:22,470
influx of in Google about AutoZone.

793
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:22,830
Yeah.

794
00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:25,270
There's so many ways to administer it.

795
00:34:25,420 --> 00:34:25,710
Cool.

796
00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:27,830
Um, one of them is in the vein.

797
00:34:27,830 --> 00:34:28,110
Yeah.

798
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:28,949
Intravenously.

799
00:34:28,949 --> 00:34:29,190
Yeah.

800
00:34:30,340 --> 00:34:30,880
In the vein.

801
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:32,840
It can go two ways, you know, in people.

802
00:34:33,859 --> 00:34:36,589
They advocate against doing
it directly in the vein.

803
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:36,949
Mm-hmm.

804
00:34:37,029 --> 00:34:44,589
However, I have done over 3000, maybe
3,300 ozone treatments in vein so far.

805
00:34:44,649 --> 00:34:45,069
Mm-hmm.

806
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:46,909
Directly in the vein.

807
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:47,310
Mm-hmm.

808
00:34:47,529 --> 00:34:53,069
And we have not had the reaction that one
in a thousand or one in 2000 people get.

809
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:55,870
So we never seen a, a side effect of it.

810
00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:56,230
Mm-hmm.

811
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,549
Other than the occasion.

812
00:34:58,990 --> 00:35:02,629
Occasionally, probably like two horses
had a little bit of extra sweat.

813
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:03,270
Okay.

814
00:35:03,339 --> 00:35:03,629
Yeah.

815
00:35:03,970 --> 00:35:06,190
Uh, so that goes in the vein.

816
00:35:06,190 --> 00:35:06,430
Good.

817
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:11,109
You could put in the joint, which
is literally, you take, you get

818
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:13,670
remember the oxygen machine?

819
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:13,910
Yeah.

820
00:35:14,049 --> 00:35:15,149
Get the oz in its syringe.

821
00:35:15,149 --> 00:35:15,310
Yeah.

822
00:35:15,850 --> 00:35:17,815
From that syringe, it goes
straight in the joint.

823
00:35:18,125 --> 00:35:18,415
Yeah.

824
00:35:18,415 --> 00:35:21,694
And so, and I've, I've watched this
now a number of times, so to give

825
00:35:21,855 --> 00:35:23,214
everyone like a bit of a picture mm-hmm.

826
00:35:23,295 --> 00:35:26,694
They're taking a very large syringe,
kind of similar to like what you would

827
00:35:26,694 --> 00:35:29,694
give, like, it's bigger even than the
syringe of what you would give like

828
00:35:29,815 --> 00:35:32,095
a, like, um, a dewormer or whatever.

829
00:35:32,095 --> 00:35:32,214
Yeah.

830
00:35:32,214 --> 00:35:35,415
It's like quite a large cylinder
and it's filled with air.

831
00:35:36,045 --> 00:35:37,255
With all, with ozone.

832
00:35:37,255 --> 00:35:37,495
With

833
00:35:37,735 --> 00:35:37,855
ozone.

834
00:35:37,875 --> 00:35:38,095
No

835
00:35:38,095 --> 00:35:38,295
air,

836
00:35:38,475 --> 00:35:41,654
no, but like to, for the, for the,
to the uneducated eye, it looks like.

837
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:43,280
It's not air.

838
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:43,960
It's oh three.

839
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:44,320
Yes.

840
00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:50,000
But it's essentially, um, like a
clear cylinder and they administer

841
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,400
anywhere from like three to four to
five to however many that horse needs.

842
00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:54,760
Yes.

843
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:57,120
And then you can do, and the
protocol is different for different

844
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,240
horses, for different scenarios.

845
00:35:58,260 --> 00:35:58,480
Yes.

846
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,240
But they're giving it intravenously.

847
00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:01,960
Intravenously in the joint.

848
00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:04,720
It can be done intravaginally
for reproduction Yeah.

849
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,320
Purposes.

850
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:05,600
Yeah.

851
00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:07,440
And it can be done per rectum as well.

852
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:07,960
Okay.

853
00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:09,280
And it can be bagged.

854
00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:12,080
You could put a bag around
the area, around the wound.

855
00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:12,480
Mm.

856
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:17,120
And do what we call ozone bag and fill out
the, the area with ozone and let it sit.

857
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:18,200
Oh wow.

858
00:36:18,670 --> 00:36:19,720
That I have not heard of.

859
00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:20,040
Yes.

860
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,840
Lemme see if I have a picture of it here.

861
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:23,800
Well, and we'll be sure to include.

862
00:36:24,825 --> 00:36:25,550
So I'll

863
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:26,350
include links to this book.

864
00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:26,750
Yes.

865
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:27,470
For those of

866
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:31,150
you who want to know, there is, I have,
uh, you can do alberto ruland.com.

867
00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:31,390
Yeah.

868
00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:34,830
Alberto ruland.com and go to
ebook, uh, link and you can see it,

869
00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:36,110
we'll see regenerative therapies

870
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:39,510
and all that we're talking about
today will be available in the show

871
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:41,630
notes on that link for Alberto's book.

872
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:42,030
Awesome.

873
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:42,350
Yeah.

874
00:36:42,350 --> 00:36:42,630
Awesome.

875
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:48,330
So, uh, that's ozone is, is so simple.

876
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,050
It's very cool.

877
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:50,650
It's so simple.

878
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,130
Okay.

879
00:36:51,130 --> 00:36:56,090
So then next up in your book you talk
about the hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

880
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:56,530
Yeah.

881
00:36:56,530 --> 00:36:56,690
Yes.

882
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,450
Okay, so that's hyperbaric chamber.

883
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:58,850
Yes.

884
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:59,250
And

885
00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:02,570
so I didn't know that you could
actually use, you could, you could

886
00:37:02,570 --> 00:37:04,170
walk a horse into a hyperbaric chamber.

887
00:37:04,270 --> 00:37:04,490
Yes.

888
00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:07,050
So first of all, I didn't know
about anybody else listening

889
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:09,650
or watching, but I didn't know
that that was actually a thing.

890
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,010
It's an amazing therapy.

891
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,290
It's an amazing therapy.

892
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:12,890
It is.

893
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,770
It's a therapy that they are, this
one has a little bit more research.

894
00:37:17,770 --> 00:37:18,090
Mm-hmm.

895
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:18,850
Why?

896
00:37:18,850 --> 00:37:21,290
Because they armed forces like it.

897
00:37:22,089 --> 00:37:22,310
Oh

898
00:37:22,379 --> 00:37:22,669
yeah.

899
00:37:22,669 --> 00:37:24,069
The armed forces got involved in it.

900
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:24,390
Yeah.

901
00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:28,430
Many, some about maybe five, six
years ago, they invited me to

902
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:31,709
speak at the National Hypothetic
Convention because they wanted to see,

903
00:37:31,709 --> 00:37:33,270
okay, what are we doing in horses?

904
00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:33,830
Yeah.

905
00:37:33,830 --> 00:37:35,069
Because they love learning from us.

906
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:35,390
Yeah.

907
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:37,430
We do so many, so many cool things, right?

908
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:37,750
Really?

909
00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:38,310
Oh, yeah.

910
00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:44,750
The, the human, the, the open-minded,
well-educated human doctors,

911
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:47,509
they love contributing with us.

912
00:37:47,509 --> 00:37:49,669
They love collab, they
love collaborating with us.

913
00:37:49,729 --> 00:37:49,950
Oh,

914
00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:50,270
that's

915
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:50,750
really cool.

916
00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:51,189
Yes, yes.

917
00:37:51,729 --> 00:37:52,229
And interesting.

918
00:37:52,229 --> 00:37:54,350
They're not that many of
'em, but, but they do.

919
00:37:54,379 --> 00:37:54,669
Yeah.

920
00:37:54,810 --> 00:37:57,790
But actually, I believe, and I'm
willing to say that at the forefront

921
00:37:57,890 --> 00:38:01,390
in hypothetic oxygen chamber, they
unfortunately are the forefront of this.

922
00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:01,910
We are not.

923
00:38:02,169 --> 00:38:02,390
Wow.

924
00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:03,669
It's not like the stem cells.

925
00:38:03,669 --> 00:38:05,350
What I feel like that, that we are.

926
00:38:05,419 --> 00:38:05,709
Yeah.

927
00:38:06,529 --> 00:38:10,189
So what they did is they did a
study and it was so powerful.

928
00:38:11,265 --> 00:38:12,190
They did multiple studies.

929
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:16,230
One of them proved that the stem cell
release from the bone marrow, which is

930
00:38:16,279 --> 00:38:19,670
where the most of the bone, most of the
stem cells in the human, in the human

931
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:22,150
or animal mammals is in the bone marrow.

932
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:22,310
Yes.

933
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:22,950
Inside the bone.

934
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:25,350
That's how they got my stem
cells was out of my bone marrow.

935
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:25,710
Yeah.

936
00:38:25,850 --> 00:38:30,870
So the hyperbaric chamber
promote a hundred percent more

937
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:32,230
released from the bone marrow.

938
00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:32,750
Whoa.

939
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:33,150
Yes.

940
00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:36,029
There was studies done in 2006
in Pennsylvania that proved

941
00:38:36,029 --> 00:38:37,190
that a hundred percent more.

942
00:38:37,529 --> 00:38:42,710
So that's the first, that's the first
thing that is cannot be argued with.

943
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:42,910
Right.

944
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:43,430
Yeah.

945
00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:44,230
Okay.

946
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:51,879
Then the armed forces did this awesome
study on soldiers with PTSD soldiers,

947
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:57,680
that particular soldiers that had some
sort of bomb or explosion next to them.

948
00:38:57,859 --> 00:38:58,279
Mm-hmm.

949
00:38:58,660 --> 00:39:01,520
And somehow traumatized their brain.

950
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:02,120
Mm-hmm.

951
00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:06,440
And that trauma was
actually noticed on MRI.

952
00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:08,279
Oh wow.

953
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:09,400
So.

954
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,970
Then they, what they did was very clever.

955
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:20,750
They did 30 to 40 treatments and the
patients, the soldiers would go home.

956
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:27,550
And what was most impactful of this is
what the wife and family members reported.

957
00:39:28,210 --> 00:39:31,070
Now, what the patients reported,
but what the family members

958
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:33,590
reported, and this is not powerful.

959
00:39:33,590 --> 00:39:37,150
You tell me what, it's because
they brought a panel of wives

960
00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:42,700
and family members saying,
how much have this changed?

961
00:39:42,850 --> 00:39:44,020
Observation uhhuh,

962
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,620
all the observations that they saw
on the soldiers that had before

963
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,180
and after the hyperbaric oxygen.

964
00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:53,750
It was amazing.

965
00:39:54,090 --> 00:39:57,230
I'm even thinking as you're speaking,
I'm thinking of there are so many

966
00:39:57,230 --> 00:40:00,230
people in the horse world who
have had major, major concussions.

967
00:40:01,254 --> 00:40:01,545
Like

968
00:40:01,645 --> 00:40:02,705
who even have stopped?

969
00:40:02,705 --> 00:40:05,944
Like I've been even in the cold starting,
like I'm even thinking in the cold

970
00:40:06,145 --> 00:40:10,865
starting community, how many cowboys have
had made so many concussions that they've

971
00:40:10,865 --> 00:40:12,984
been told like, you can't do this anymore.

972
00:40:13,464 --> 00:40:15,545
'cause we can't guarantee that
you won't have like a life

973
00:40:15,545 --> 00:40:16,904
altering concussion next time.

974
00:40:17,365 --> 00:40:18,904
So this could be huge for them.

975
00:40:19,015 --> 00:40:19,504
It's huge.

976
00:40:28,915 --> 00:40:30,044
Welcome to Epic.

977
00:40:31,544 --> 00:40:32,964
Hey everyone, it's Noel.

978
00:40:33,455 --> 00:40:37,564
While we were in Ocala, Florida, my
horses and I worked with Dr. Alberto

979
00:40:37,754 --> 00:40:42,325
Ruan and his incredible team at Epic,
the Equine Performance and Innovation

980
00:40:42,325 --> 00:40:47,444
Center lady and Alano warmed up on the
euro sizer, worked the aqua treadmill

981
00:40:47,705 --> 00:40:49,564
and healed in the hyperbaric chamber.

982
00:40:50,794 --> 00:40:54,845
They tailored a program to each
horse's specific needs, helping us

983
00:40:55,165 --> 00:40:58,004
navigate health challenges and to
build strength and conditioning.

984
00:40:59,515 --> 00:41:03,444
Lady and guano loved swimming laps
in the world class outdoor pool.

985
00:41:04,115 --> 00:41:06,805
Epic truly has something
for every kind of horse.

986
00:41:07,694 --> 00:41:11,004
Thank you, Dr. Roland and the
epic team for keeping my horses

987
00:41:11,345 --> 00:41:13,044
in top form during our travel.

988
00:41:17,025 --> 00:41:17,955
This could be huge for that.

989
00:41:18,065 --> 00:41:18,555
It's huge.

990
00:41:19,015 --> 00:41:23,595
So after I, after I went to that
conference, uh, five, six years ago,

991
00:41:23,595 --> 00:41:26,235
and I show my cases and they were
like, wow, those are great cases.

992
00:41:26,515 --> 00:41:30,835
I said, yeah, but what you guys
are showing is just amazing because

993
00:41:31,895 --> 00:41:41,325
now we can, we can help so much our
patients, our horses and, and with

994
00:41:41,535 --> 00:41:44,725
confidence we can, we can say that.

995
00:41:45,065 --> 00:41:51,325
So needless to say, in the veterinary
community, extremely looked down upon

996
00:41:51,325 --> 00:41:57,665
because the only thing, because we have
done a very poor job at, at doing that,

997
00:41:57,735 --> 00:42:01,345
providing that research that, that the
are, that the armed forces have done

998
00:42:01,435 --> 00:42:01,785
right.

999
00:42:02,525 --> 00:42:06,025
But the armed forces are able to use
government funding, thank to research it.

1000
00:42:06,235 --> 00:42:06,665
Thank you.

1001
00:42:06,665 --> 00:42:09,305
Whereas, and a sports be, and
also I would say, because PTSD is

1002
00:42:09,305 --> 00:42:12,945
such a, it's a so societal like.

1003
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:14,839
Pain point.

1004
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:15,240
Yes.

1005
00:42:15,339 --> 00:42:17,960
You know, it's affecting people
from all socioeconomic backgrounds

1006
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,480
that they're going to be able to
justify funding from the government,

1007
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,640
from government taxes Yeah.

1008
00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:22,799
To fund that.

1009
00:42:22,799 --> 00:42:25,400
Whereas I, I would imagine
it would be very difficult to

1010
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,839
find funding to do research on
hyperbaric chambers for horses.

1011
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:28,120
Yeah.

1012
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:28,960
So we have to do it.

1013
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,560
We just have to report the, the findings
that we have and we have done amazing.

1014
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:33,480
Amazing.

1015
00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:38,520
And there's a, there's a web page that
created called equine hyperbaric.com,

1016
00:42:39,580 --> 00:42:42,520
equine hyperbaric.com, where I
post the most dramatic cases.

1017
00:42:43,339 --> 00:42:48,000
And that is kind of our, our own way
to show the public what we can do.

1018
00:42:48,299 --> 00:42:48,520
So

1019
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,920
what would be an example of
a reason why would put what a

1020
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:52,920
horse in a hyperbaric tumor.

1021
00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:57,160
So the, the first and most
common example on the way widely

1022
00:42:57,359 --> 00:42:58,560
accepted is for wound care.

1023
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:59,240
Okay.

1024
00:42:59,450 --> 00:43:03,720
Lemme tell you, it improved the
wound healing significantly.

1025
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:07,240
And we have control studies where
we show 50 to 60% improvement.

1026
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,525
So in

1027
00:43:08,525 --> 00:43:09,404
what kind of period of time?

1028
00:43:09,825 --> 00:43:12,485
Uh, let's say you have
difficult wound care.

1029
00:43:12,505 --> 00:43:16,205
The most difficult wound care that I
feel in horses disease in the legs.

1030
00:43:16,424 --> 00:43:16,645
Mm.

1031
00:43:16,775 --> 00:43:17,485
Where they have

1032
00:43:17,525 --> 00:43:18,685
a cannon bone exposed.

1033
00:43:18,785 --> 00:43:19,005
Yes.

1034
00:43:19,005 --> 00:43:19,165
Right.

1035
00:43:19,275 --> 00:43:19,765
That happened.

1036
00:43:19,765 --> 00:43:22,325
They put it, they put the
leg via in the cannon bone.

1037
00:43:22,325 --> 00:43:22,565
Yeah.

1038
00:43:22,645 --> 00:43:23,565
I mean in the fence.

1039
00:43:23,674 --> 00:43:23,965
Yeah.

1040
00:43:24,025 --> 00:43:26,605
And they, they do what's
called degloving injury.

1041
00:43:26,634 --> 00:43:26,924
Yeah.

1042
00:43:27,335 --> 00:43:29,404
Those could take a year or two years.

1043
00:43:29,904 --> 00:43:30,325
To heal.

1044
00:43:30,465 --> 00:43:30,845
To heal.

1045
00:43:30,985 --> 00:43:33,085
And we have, we have, and that's

1046
00:43:33,085 --> 00:43:35,845
mentioned the length of time,
like how, what the like mental and

1047
00:43:35,845 --> 00:43:39,965
emotional impact on that horse is to be
completely confined during that time.

1048
00:43:40,185 --> 00:43:41,205
It is a huge drain.

1049
00:43:41,265 --> 00:43:43,685
Mental physically, economically.

1050
00:43:43,875 --> 00:43:44,165
Yeah.

1051
00:43:44,315 --> 00:43:44,605
Yeah.

1052
00:43:45,065 --> 00:43:46,045
Psychologically.

1053
00:43:46,154 --> 00:43:46,444
Yeah.

1054
00:43:46,865 --> 00:43:49,645
And we have been able to prove
that we can shorten it up.

1055
00:43:50,265 --> 00:43:50,485
Wow.

1056
00:43:50,705 --> 00:43:51,404
To six months.

1057
00:43:52,185 --> 00:43:52,404
Wow.

1058
00:43:52,745 --> 00:43:53,325
Or more.

1059
00:43:53,585 --> 00:43:56,605
We actually had a patient, we were
able to get it out at 60 days.

1060
00:43:58,125 --> 00:44:01,545
Now this is with very aggre
utilizing what I just told you, why?

1061
00:44:01,545 --> 00:44:01,865
Mm-hmm.

1062
00:44:01,865 --> 00:44:05,185
Because one, the hyperbaric oxygen
chamber increases the stem cells.

1063
00:44:05,285 --> 00:44:05,505
Yes.

1064
00:44:05,525 --> 00:44:08,825
So you now have a lot of
soldiers feeling those wounds.

1065
00:44:08,825 --> 00:44:09,025
Right.

1066
00:44:09,445 --> 00:44:13,625
But in addition to that, if you
think about a large wound, that large

1067
00:44:13,625 --> 00:44:18,025
wound, what in the center of that
wound, there's no much blood flow.

1068
00:44:18,375 --> 00:44:18,665
Yeah.

1069
00:44:18,665 --> 00:44:20,145
There's, there's no blood flow period.

1070
00:44:20,145 --> 00:44:20,425
Of course.

1071
00:44:20,425 --> 00:44:20,985
Well, there's,

1072
00:44:20,985 --> 00:44:21,585
yeah, there's a break.

1073
00:44:21,585 --> 00:44:24,745
There's a fracture in the skin
and the nerves and the tissue.

1074
00:44:25,045 --> 00:44:30,545
And what brings nutrients and oxygen
to a wound is the blood vessels.

1075
00:44:31,485 --> 00:44:37,305
So oxygen now is pressurizing
the body goes di dissolving.

1076
00:44:37,305 --> 00:44:37,665
The plasma.

1077
00:44:37,765 --> 00:44:42,825
Plasma we have, we're talking about
600% more oxygen dissolve in the

1078
00:44:42,825 --> 00:44:44,785
plasma after the hyperbaric chamber.

1079
00:44:44,885 --> 00:44:51,845
600%. So now we all know that
oxygen can help all those cells

1080
00:44:53,005 --> 00:44:55,405
reproduce and fill in faster.

1081
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,380
So again, this is coming back
to helping the body do what it

1082
00:44:59,380 --> 00:45:01,020
does already, but do it better.

1083
00:45:01,410 --> 00:45:01,900
Exactly.

1084
00:45:02,130 --> 00:45:02,420
Like

1085
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:05,220
do it like on, like, it's like
you're like, they're like superhuman.

1086
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:05,580
Yep.

1087
00:45:05,610 --> 00:45:06,100
Exactly.

1088
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:06,420
Mm.

1089
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,340
So all the things that we have
done that, that's the most commonly

1090
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:11,940
accepted, that that one is undeniable.

1091
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:13,540
A hundred percent undeniable.

1092
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,180
And what is really interesting is
that we have been using it for long

1093
00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:20,900
and respiratory issues as well.

1094
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:21,660
Oh, cool.

1095
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:23,060
With great results.

1096
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:25,260
Great results, yes.

1097
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,700
Not FDA approved.

1098
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:27,060
Mm-hmm.

1099
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:28,340
Again.

1100
00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:28,940
Right.

1101
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,180
Uh, so, so it's, it's looked a little
bit frowned upon by the community, but

1102
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,180
we have been able to do some amazing,
amazing treatments on respiratory issues.

1103
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:44,100
Pluto, pneumonias, really bad pneumonias
that, you know, when the horses are,

1104
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,460
are traveling for a long period of time
and all of a sudden start developing

1105
00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:49,860
abscesses and large, uh uh, and.

1106
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:55,260
Large amount of infection in the
lungs, they have to be drained out.

1107
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:55,740
Mm-hmm.

1108
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:59,070
Excellent result.

1109
00:45:59,650 --> 00:46:02,470
Now, I never promote do it in on his own.

1110
00:46:02,610 --> 00:46:03,790
We still go to surgery.

1111
00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:05,190
We, we drain it.

1112
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:07,910
So I always use it in conjunction
with the, with yeah, with,

1113
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:09,910
with, with our western medicine.

1114
00:46:10,410 --> 00:46:12,230
So the surgeon drains it.

1115
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:12,830
Mm-hmm.

1116
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,750
Clear it up as much as you can
and then we put it in the chamber.

1117
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,350
Those horses recover way faster.

1118
00:46:19,150 --> 00:46:22,670
Recently I had a horse, a client
that called me, not a client, a

1119
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:26,470
potential client, but he's been
at a clinic for three months.

1120
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:28,990
This horse hasn't been able
to breathe for three months.

1121
00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:29,830
Oh no.

1122
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:35,190
More was October, October,
November, December, February, and

1123
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:36,590
now it's about be four months.

1124
00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:39,270
Can you imagine not
breathing for four months?

1125
00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:43,350
Because, because your doctors don't
believe that there's a therapy

1126
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:45,070
that can help, that can help you.

1127
00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:46,830
But there is a therapy that can help you.

1128
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:51,529
It makes me think, because I think it's
important even to go down to the basics.

1129
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:52,410
So

1130
00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:56,819
when our, let's say
there's a lung infection.

1131
00:46:56,970 --> 00:46:57,259
Yeah.

1132
00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:00,540
And I actually have a really close
friend, and I'm, and I'm gonna, I

1133
00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:05,500
can't wait to send her this podcast
because she has had a terrible time

1134
00:47:05,609 --> 00:47:07,900
with her Marere, um, and asthma.

1135
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,259
And so That's a tough one.

1136
00:47:10,259 --> 00:47:10,460
Yeah.

1137
00:47:10,839 --> 00:47:14,819
And there, and she lives in a very, like
a, she lives in the Pacific Northwest,

1138
00:47:14,839 --> 00:47:16,700
so it's a very moist ecosystem.

1139
00:47:16,810 --> 00:47:19,259
It's a very, like, it's wet, it's cold.

1140
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:19,779
Mm-hmm.

1141
00:47:19,859 --> 00:47:24,379
It's, you know, and so she was
given all sorts of different

1142
00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:25,740
protocols with steroids.

1143
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:26,180
Yes.

1144
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:26,819
Right.

1145
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,460
And anyone who's listening who's
had asthma knows that if you've been

1146
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:35,060
given Ben Pullman or you've been given
different things, so steroids are here.

1147
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,900
And you're gonna explain
this better than me, but I

1148
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:39,379
understand that steroids, mm-hmm.

1149
00:47:40,665 --> 00:47:42,925
Are a, like a, like a retardant.

1150
00:47:42,925 --> 00:47:44,925
They're like a, like
they're a suppressant.

1151
00:47:45,365 --> 00:47:46,685
Suppress the immune system.

1152
00:47:46,835 --> 00:47:47,125
Okay.

1153
00:47:47,205 --> 00:47:47,685
A hundred percent.

1154
00:47:49,185 --> 00:47:52,165
And we do that because why?

1155
00:47:52,465 --> 00:47:53,205
Why do we give?

1156
00:47:53,425 --> 00:47:56,965
So if you're suffering from something
in your body, either as a horse or as

1157
00:47:56,965 --> 00:48:00,565
a human, why do we give something that
actually suppresses the immune system?

1158
00:48:00,565 --> 00:48:01,045
Good question.

1159
00:48:01,045 --> 00:48:01,605
Great question.

1160
00:48:01,665 --> 00:48:03,565
And there is a, there is
actually a science for it.

1161
00:48:04,705 --> 00:48:08,595
Sometimes the immune system gets
a little bit out of control.

1162
00:48:08,775 --> 00:48:12,895
Mm. And we have to tell the
immune system, Hey, hold on.

1163
00:48:13,205 --> 00:48:13,695
Calm down.

1164
00:48:13,725 --> 00:48:14,215
Calm down.

1165
00:48:14,595 --> 00:48:15,135
We got it.

1166
00:48:15,285 --> 00:48:15,575
Okay.

1167
00:48:16,435 --> 00:48:20,295
So a lot of time, the immune system,
the steroid, that's what they're doing.

1168
00:48:20,445 --> 00:48:21,015
Calm down.

1169
00:48:21,365 --> 00:48:21,655
Quit.

1170
00:48:22,605 --> 00:48:27,775
Quit bringing 10 million soldiers to the
battleground because you're killing us.

1171
00:48:27,965 --> 00:48:28,255
Yeah.

1172
00:48:28,675 --> 00:48:33,175
Rather than just, we just need 10, we
just need 10 soldiers for this battle.

1173
00:48:34,075 --> 00:48:34,895
So that.

1174
00:48:35,685 --> 00:48:39,185
Is where the immune system has the,
where the steroids have a good place.

1175
00:48:39,325 --> 00:48:39,545
Mm.

1176
00:48:40,725 --> 00:48:42,904
That's why when we treat
a horse like that, yeah.

1177
00:48:42,904 --> 00:48:44,384
That is in respiratory distress.

1178
00:48:44,525 --> 00:48:46,705
We do not discontinue the
steroids at the moment.

1179
00:48:47,015 --> 00:48:47,305
Okay.

1180
00:48:47,605 --> 00:48:52,025
Our goal is to find a middle
ground of where the horse can live.

1181
00:48:52,195 --> 00:48:53,185
Happy mm-hmm.

1182
00:48:53,404 --> 00:48:56,265
And healthy with less steroids.

1183
00:48:56,445 --> 00:49:00,505
We, we play to see what is the
least amount of steroids that we can

1184
00:49:00,505 --> 00:49:03,645
have understood with our therapies.

1185
00:49:04,465 --> 00:49:10,325
Try to give the body then the proper
immune, uh, immune reaction, right?

1186
00:49:10,325 --> 00:49:10,565
Mm-hmm.

1187
00:49:10,645 --> 00:49:14,125
Because we, we still need the,
sometimes we still need the steroids,

1188
00:49:14,384 --> 00:49:18,045
but it is our experience that
many times we can take 'em off.

1189
00:49:18,689 --> 00:49:19,910
We can take him off the steroids.

1190
00:49:20,169 --> 00:49:24,230
We use some continue using
regenerative or alternative therapy.

1191
00:49:24,259 --> 00:49:27,069
There's so many out there
that you can do in Halen.

1192
00:49:27,259 --> 00:49:27,549
Yeah.

1193
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:31,549
With, you can do in Halen with stem
cells, you can do in Halen with Amon

1194
00:49:31,549 --> 00:49:33,069
therapy, which is also in the book.

1195
00:49:33,069 --> 00:49:33,390
Mm-hmm.

1196
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:38,109
You can do, uh, in Halen with
Alpha two M and while doing that,

1197
00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:41,870
you can put 'em in the hyperbaric
oxygen chamber too, to increase

1198
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:44,270
the efficacy of the immune system.

1199
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:44,669
So

1200
00:49:44,669 --> 00:49:45,310
you could actually do.

1201
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:51,780
Um, could you do steroids and would
you do like steroid treatment or

1202
00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:54,180
antibiotic treatment in conjunction Yeah.

1203
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:55,420
With the hyperbaric chamber?

1204
00:49:55,450 --> 00:49:55,740
Yeah,

1205
00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:56,300
absolutely.

1206
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,780
As a matter of fact, uh, if, if you
see some of my, some of my education

1207
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,860
and podcasts on the hyperbaric chamber,
on equine hyperbaric.com mm-hmm.

1208
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,740
You will see that one of the effects
of the hyperbaric is actually

1209
00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:10,620
potentiates the antibiotics.

1210
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,500
It helps the antibiotics.

1211
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,300
We had a case, one of our most famous
case was a horse that had a navicular

1212
00:50:17,330 --> 00:50:20,700
bird eye infection from a nail that
went on the, with her, she jumped

1213
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:23,380
after the jump, the shoe came off.

1214
00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:26,460
Somehow the shoe got twisted and went back

1215
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,260
Oh, wow.

1216
00:50:27,610 --> 00:50:29,940
Into the foot, into the navicular bone.

1217
00:50:29,940 --> 00:50:30,220
Yeah.

1218
00:50:30,850 --> 00:50:32,700
That created a really bad infection.

1219
00:50:32,810 --> 00:50:33,100
Yeah.

1220
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,380
The, the horse went to surgery.

1221
00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:36,820
Yeah.

1222
00:50:36,820 --> 00:50:37,500
Number one.

1223
00:50:37,570 --> 00:50:37,860
Yeah.

1224
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,860
And after surgery came out.

1225
00:50:40,655 --> 00:50:43,140
Three out of four or
five or five out of five.

1226
00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:44,780
Meaning not, not Bay wearing.

1227
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:45,460
Wow.

1228
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:46,860
Couldn't bear any weight.

1229
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:47,220
That's awful.

1230
00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:49,400
Went to surgery number two.

1231
00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:49,840
Yep.

1232
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:55,770
And came out the same, went to surgery
number three and came out the same.

1233
00:50:56,630 --> 00:51:02,170
The owner was a helicopter pilot for
the Army, so she started Googling

1234
00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:03,490
and Goling and she found us.

1235
00:51:04,030 --> 00:51:08,230
She said, would you do
hyperbaric, my mayor?

1236
00:51:08,290 --> 00:51:08,710
Mm-hmm.

1237
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:12,950
I said, I, you sounds like you went
to the best of the best clinics.

1238
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:13,430
Mm-hmm.

1239
00:51:13,690 --> 00:51:14,230
In town.

1240
00:51:14,290 --> 00:51:14,710
Mm-hmm.

1241
00:51:14,850 --> 00:51:15,830
And they couldn't fix it.

1242
00:51:15,950 --> 00:51:16,790
I don't think I can fix it.

1243
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:17,030
Mm-hmm.

1244
00:51:17,330 --> 00:51:18,270
She like, I don't care.

1245
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:19,190
I need you to fix it.

1246
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:20,110
Call somebody.

1247
00:51:20,490 --> 00:51:21,790
She wouldn't take no for an answer.

1248
00:51:21,830 --> 00:51:23,230
I said, we've never done this before.

1249
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:26,350
I don't know if it can be done, but she
has so much perseverance that I started

1250
00:51:26,350 --> 00:51:30,590
calling and I ended up calling a, a great
friend of mine now her name is Shelina.

1251
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:35,870
And she was like, well, it's gonna
sound tough, but if I was you, I

1252
00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:37,230
would do this and this and that.

1253
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:38,990
And she gave me a protocol for it.

1254
00:51:39,610 --> 00:51:42,170
I called the owner, I said, Hey,
I found somebody that told me we

1255
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:44,050
might be able to, to help you.

1256
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:44,530
Yeah.

1257
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:46,650
We changed nothing on that horse.

1258
00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:49,130
We, we kept the same antibiotics Yeah.

1259
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,050
That she came with.

1260
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:50,370
Yeah.

1261
00:51:50,830 --> 00:51:52,610
We, the same anti-inflammatory.

1262
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:54,090
We changed absolutely nothing.

1263
00:51:54,310 --> 00:51:57,890
Her name is Willow and you can
see@equinehyperbaric.com that

1264
00:51:57,890 --> 00:52:00,740
horse actually recovered very well.

1265
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,780
And when, um, they were able
to get embryos out of her

1266
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:05,060
Oh wow.

1267
00:52:05,370 --> 00:52:08,780
This mare would, while she was with
us, they got embryos out of her.

1268
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:09,540
No way.

1269
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:09,940
Yeah.

1270
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:10,580
So,

1271
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,460
so when you're doing height, so, and
this is what I think is important

1272
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:15,260
to mention, is that you're not.

1273
00:52:16,245 --> 00:52:17,435
These regenerative therapies.

1274
00:52:17,435 --> 00:52:22,515
You're not saying don't do the
antibiotic, don't do steroids, don't

1275
00:52:22,515 --> 00:52:24,235
follow these western medicine practices.

1276
00:52:24,335 --> 00:52:24,555
We

1277
00:52:24,555 --> 00:52:25,715
have to, we have do

1278
00:52:25,715 --> 00:52:26,635
it in conjunction.

1279
00:52:27,135 --> 00:52:31,595
In conjunction with, with evidence that
they actually improve the efficacy.

1280
00:52:31,705 --> 00:52:31,995
Yeah.

1281
00:52:32,215 --> 00:52:35,795
Of the protocol being like
being given a hundred percent.

1282
00:52:35,845 --> 00:52:36,915
Which is really exciting.

1283
00:52:37,055 --> 00:52:37,275
Yes.

1284
00:52:37,275 --> 00:52:42,355
Because I think every horse
person who has, or has like, has

1285
00:52:42,495 --> 00:52:46,795
had or has a horse that is being
treated for, for whatever physical

1286
00:52:46,795 --> 00:52:48,075
ailment that they're dealing with.

1287
00:52:49,355 --> 00:52:53,455
Any chance that you can increase the
efficacy of the protocol that you're

1288
00:52:54,135 --> 00:52:59,295
spending a ton of time, money, and
emotional grievance like, um, like

1289
00:52:59,445 --> 00:53:03,395
emotional energy on, I think you take it,

1290
00:53:03,775 --> 00:53:07,235
you just mentioned something interesting
and I wonder, and I just can wonder.

1291
00:53:08,365 --> 00:53:09,944
We save our clients a lot of money.

1292
00:53:10,725 --> 00:53:12,384
It seems expensive at the beginning.

1293
00:53:12,495 --> 00:53:12,785
Yeah.

1294
00:53:13,285 --> 00:53:17,825
But when when they come back to me
and they're like, holy crap, I wish

1295
00:53:17,984 --> 00:53:20,755
I knew about this four months ago.

1296
00:53:20,755 --> 00:53:20,995
Yeah.

1297
00:53:20,995 --> 00:53:24,435
Because if you think about being on an
expensive antibiotic for five months.

1298
00:53:24,585 --> 00:53:24,875
Yeah.

1299
00:53:25,565 --> 00:53:30,955
Let's say you spend a hundred dollars
a day, which is very little compared

1300
00:53:30,955 --> 00:53:31,875
to some, some of these horses.

1301
00:53:32,075 --> 00:53:32,835
A hundred dollars a day.

1302
00:53:32,835 --> 00:53:33,315
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1303
00:53:33,315 --> 00:53:35,355
And that's a lot like for five month.

1304
00:53:35,384 --> 00:53:35,674
Yeah.

1305
00:53:35,825 --> 00:53:37,075
That adds up pretty fast.

1306
00:53:37,075 --> 00:53:37,475
Yeah, it

1307
00:53:37,475 --> 00:53:37,555
does.

1308
00:53:37,625 --> 00:53:38,634
Just on antibiotics.

1309
00:53:38,634 --> 00:53:38,915
Yeah.

1310
00:53:39,375 --> 00:53:41,234
Add to that the care and everything else.

1311
00:53:41,424 --> 00:53:41,714
Yeah.

1312
00:53:42,115 --> 00:53:43,234
Actually a price about 120.

1313
00:53:44,015 --> 00:53:48,234
So over 120 a day, over five months.

1314
00:53:48,895 --> 00:53:52,755
And then I tell them, Hey, if
you would've come to me maybe

1315
00:53:52,815 --> 00:53:55,555
in three months, we would've got
you out or maybe in two months.

1316
00:53:56,134 --> 00:53:59,634
So the mathematics is actually
very favorable because we, we still

1317
00:53:59,634 --> 00:54:02,915
would've, we still wanna do the
antibiotic, we wanna do everything else.

1318
00:54:03,715 --> 00:54:05,055
We just accelerate the process.

1319
00:54:05,285 --> 00:54:09,135
Well, and I'm glad you mentioned costs
because when we talk a lot about these

1320
00:54:09,135 --> 00:54:13,175
therapies, I worry that a lot of our
listeners are gonna go, yeah, that

1321
00:54:13,175 --> 00:54:14,895
sounds nice, but that sounds expensive.

1322
00:54:14,925 --> 00:54:18,495
That sounds like for the, you know,
five, the one to 5% of the horse

1323
00:54:18,695 --> 00:54:20,375
industry, you can afford to have a horse.

1324
00:54:20,515 --> 00:54:26,105
You know, and I mean, I will imagining
walking my horse into a, like a hyperbaric

1325
00:54:26,105 --> 00:54:27,985
chamber sounds just, sounds expensive.

1326
00:54:28,055 --> 00:54:29,505
Well, let's talk about the economics.

1327
00:54:29,515 --> 00:54:33,265
Let's be, uh, and you probably know
about this more than me, but let's

1328
00:54:33,265 --> 00:54:40,905
say the average, the, the average
boarding and training you do, what

1329
00:54:40,905 --> 00:54:44,665
would be the average boarding, training
and care for a horse in a month?

1330
00:54:45,285 --> 00:54:46,305
So I think the average,

1331
00:54:47,025 --> 00:54:48,945
I know it would vary in, yeah.

1332
00:54:48,945 --> 00:54:49,145
So

1333
00:54:49,145 --> 00:54:53,465
the average spend of an equestrian
annually for everything mm-hmm.

1334
00:54:53,725 --> 00:54:56,385
Is $7,986 a year.

1335
00:54:56,445 --> 00:54:59,185
That's the average spend
per year on everything.

1336
00:54:59,435 --> 00:54:59,785
Seven

1337
00:54:59,965 --> 00:55:01,165
or 77,

1338
00:55:01,165 --> 00:55:02,064
7.

1339
00:55:02,890 --> 00:55:05,470
It seems low spend on, but
that doesn't include training.

1340
00:55:05,810 --> 00:55:06,030
No.

1341
00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:08,630
That doesn't, no, that's because not
everyone spends money on training.

1342
00:55:08,780 --> 00:55:14,070
Last time I check, last time, I check
on on some of my clients mm-hmm.

1343
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,070
Doing a, like a, a pool.

1344
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:17,470
Yeah.

1345
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:20,830
They were between seven
total cost per horse.

1346
00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:21,150
Mm-hmm.

1347
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:24,490
Between 65 and 95,000.

1348
00:55:24,490 --> 00:55:24,810
Per year.

1349
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:25,090
Per

1350
00:55:25,090 --> 00:55:25,250
year.

1351
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:25,490
Yeah.

1352
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:26,610
And I've seen that too.

1353
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:29,650
And I think that's, I think
that's, that number is indicative

1354
00:55:29,650 --> 00:55:32,050
of the more sport focused Yes.

1355
00:55:32,050 --> 00:55:33,170
Subsection of the industry.

1356
00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:33,370
Yeah.

1357
00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:33,650
Which

1358
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:36,290
is most of the horses that
we're talking about that I,

1359
00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:38,370
that we treat are, are sports.

1360
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:39,650
Sports horses, right?

1361
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:39,770
Correct.

1362
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:40,050
Yeah, totally.

1363
00:55:40,350 --> 00:55:40,570
Now,

1364
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:49,410
what is the cost of not having
that horse train for six months?

1365
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:50,970
Think about this.

1366
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:54,410
Think about what does it cost
to have a horse then stop.

1367
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:59,530
Because now what this owner and trainer
have to do, you have to replace the horse.

1368
00:55:59,550 --> 00:55:59,970
Mm-hmm.

1369
00:56:01,005 --> 00:56:02,535
They have to replace the activities.

1370
00:56:02,535 --> 00:56:02,855
Mm-hmm.

1371
00:56:03,230 --> 00:56:04,890
So that we can measure that cost.

1372
00:56:05,230 --> 00:56:10,570
How about the psychological
effect of the athlete runner?

1373
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:10,930
Yeah.

1374
00:56:11,230 --> 00:56:14,690
Not being able to compete, because
for those of us who know competition,

1375
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:16,170
there's a psychological aspect of it.

1376
00:56:16,170 --> 00:56:16,570
Totally.

1377
00:56:16,660 --> 00:56:17,010
Right?

1378
00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:17,290
Yeah.

1379
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:21,610
So now you start compounding cost
of the horses not being fixed.

1380
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:23,450
The stress of having a sick horse.

1381
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:23,810
Mm-hmm.

1382
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:24,250
Yeah.

1383
00:56:24,750 --> 00:56:27,050
The, the price of trying
to replace that horse.

1384
00:56:27,050 --> 00:56:27,410
Mm-hmm.

1385
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:31,950
That piles up very quickly,
but what if we can then, uh,

1386
00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:33,190
lemme give you a quick example.

1387
00:56:33,410 --> 00:56:34,950
At this moment, what day today?

1388
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:37,310
January 30th, 2025.

1389
00:56:37,620 --> 00:56:37,910
Yeah.

1390
00:56:38,810 --> 00:56:42,510
To do a 21 a, a horse clinic at 21 days.

1391
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:42,790
Mm-hmm.

1392
00:56:44,170 --> 00:56:45,900
With the treatment of 10 hyperbaric.

1393
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:46,259
Mm-hmm.

1394
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,220
The very basic is about $4,810

1395
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:51,299
for how many days?

1396
00:56:51,569 --> 00:56:52,900
$5,810.

1397
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:54,060
5,000. 21 days.

1398
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:54,740
For 21 days.

1399
00:56:54,740 --> 00:56:55,299
21 days.

1400
00:56:55,299 --> 00:56:55,540
Right.

1401
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,940
So that averages out what
to shy of $250 a day.

1402
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,339
So, so let's round it
up to 2 50, 2 75 days.

1403
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,020
We on the hyperbaric Right.

1404
00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:06,069
On the high end.

1405
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:09,029
On the high end, let's say the
horse needs a lot more treatment.

1406
00:57:09,029 --> 00:57:09,230
Yeah.

1407
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:12,560
Those 21 days become 7,300.

1408
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:13,040
Okay.

1409
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:13,359
Roughly.

1410
00:57:13,509 --> 00:57:13,799
Yeah.

1411
00:57:14,170 --> 00:57:14,520
Right.

1412
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:19,400
So now if you think about
7,321 days, almost a month.

1413
00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:19,880
Mm-hmm.

1414
00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:21,799
Versus a horse in training.

1415
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:23,000
Yeah.

1416
00:57:23,310 --> 00:57:24,279
That I just told you.

1417
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,200
A 12 month period between
65 and what, 80, 90,000?

1418
00:57:29,230 --> 00:57:29,799
Yeah, totally.

1419
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:32,040
It actually not, it's not that.

1420
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:33,200
It's not that much.

1421
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:33,720
Yeah.

1422
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:37,200
Well, if you think about what,
so when people spend, you know.

1423
00:57:38,350 --> 00:57:41,270
I think it'd be very common to
many of our listeners that you're

1424
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:45,190
gonna spend between two and 5,000
on training and bore and feed.

1425
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:45,470
Right.

1426
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:49,270
And then if you have those costs
already, but then you're missing.

1427
00:57:49,410 --> 00:57:53,830
But, but if you have to increase the
length of time that the horse is out

1428
00:57:53,830 --> 00:57:58,230
of commission or not able to compete
or not able to be even healthy, like

1429
00:57:58,410 --> 00:58:00,630
the compounding effect is significant.

1430
00:58:00,630 --> 00:58:01,110
Significant.

1431
00:58:01,110 --> 00:58:05,310
So my it's like what you're talking about
is paying more in the short term Yes.

1432
00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:06,190
To have a longer term

1433
00:58:06,490 --> 00:58:06,910
return.

1434
00:58:06,930 --> 00:58:07,589
My return.

1435
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:10,150
'cause my point is the
cost per year mm-hmm.

1436
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:11,470
Of a sick horse Yes.

1437
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:15,640
Is outweighs, is is way more Yeah.

1438
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:18,160
Than getting that whole healthier mm-hmm.

1439
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,319
In a shorter period of time.

1440
00:58:19,319 --> 00:58:19,600
Mm-hmm.

1441
00:58:19,759 --> 00:58:22,440
I have done the calculations
many, many times and it always

1442
00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:24,880
points to the same, to the same.

1443
00:58:25,815 --> 00:58:30,325
Treat early, be aggressive early,
and avoid a five month, six month

1444
00:58:30,325 --> 00:58:33,565
problem, especially in this case
with pneumonia or wound, for example.

1445
00:58:33,675 --> 00:58:33,965
Yeah.

1446
00:58:34,105 --> 00:58:37,045
We have some wounds that have taken
a horse out of commission for a whole

1447
00:58:37,045 --> 00:58:43,335
year because of the whatever resistant
we get to treat 'em, you know?

1448
00:58:43,475 --> 00:58:43,695
And

1449
00:58:43,695 --> 00:58:46,895
that sounds like really good
advice, right, to our listeners

1450
00:58:46,955 --> 00:58:48,495
is be aggressive early.

1451
00:58:48,875 --> 00:58:49,095
Yes.

1452
00:58:49,275 --> 00:58:51,215
And don't be afraid to be proactive

1453
00:58:52,235 --> 00:58:54,015
rather than wait and see what happens.

1454
00:58:54,275 --> 00:58:58,335
Mm. Because let's say, I don't
know, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a father.

1455
00:58:59,135 --> 00:59:03,855
I have the 13-year-old and I have
an 11-year-old soon, 14, soon.

1456
00:59:04,605 --> 00:59:04,895
Soon.

1457
00:59:05,095 --> 00:59:06,175
13 and 14 and 12.

1458
00:59:07,645 --> 00:59:15,105
And if I go to the doctor and the
doctor tells me, yeah, he has a fever,

1459
00:59:15,325 --> 00:59:17,745
now let's wait and see what happens.

1460
00:59:18,785 --> 00:59:19,345
I don't like that.

1461
00:59:19,734 --> 00:59:20,944
Yeah, I don't like that.

1462
00:59:21,024 --> 00:59:21,665
I don't like that either.

1463
00:59:21,665 --> 00:59:21,904
Yeah.

1464
00:59:22,165 --> 00:59:22,865
He has a fever.

1465
00:59:22,964 --> 00:59:25,384
Now let's wait five more
days, which is very common.

1466
00:59:25,444 --> 00:59:25,904
I'm telling you.

1467
00:59:25,944 --> 00:59:27,145
A real case, right?

1468
00:59:27,225 --> 00:59:28,024
A real case, right.

1469
00:59:28,325 --> 00:59:29,625
My, my son got a fever.

1470
00:59:29,725 --> 00:59:32,785
We took him to a doctor, and the
doctor say, don't do any treatments.

1471
00:59:32,785 --> 00:59:33,705
Let's wait and see what happens.

1472
00:59:34,125 --> 00:59:34,345
Yes.

1473
00:59:34,504 --> 00:59:39,145
A lot of times it will resolve
because the immune system will Yes.

1474
00:59:39,145 --> 00:59:40,384
Be resolved in it on its own.

1475
00:59:40,384 --> 00:59:40,625
Yeah.

1476
00:59:40,625 --> 00:59:43,984
Hey, but what if the doctor tells
him, Hey, but if we are proactive

1477
00:59:43,984 --> 00:59:47,935
and we can do some alternative
therapies instead of waiting and

1478
00:59:47,935 --> 00:59:52,774
see what happen in 10 days, we could
probably shorten this up by five days.

1479
00:59:52,774 --> 00:59:53,174
Yeah, yeah.

1480
00:59:53,234 --> 00:59:54,015
How cool would that be?

1481
00:59:54,044 --> 00:59:58,294
That would be, yeah, because again, the
all what, what I'm seeing is a theme is

1482
00:59:58,294 --> 01:00:00,575
these regenerative therapies are helping.

1483
01:00:01,975 --> 01:00:02,755
The immune system.

1484
01:00:02,895 --> 01:00:05,315
Do what it's already designed to do.

1485
01:00:05,425 --> 01:00:06,275
Just do it better.

1486
01:00:06,455 --> 01:00:07,195
Yes, exactly.

1487
01:00:07,195 --> 01:00:10,915
Because something that I think is really
important that I've noticed in a lot of

1488
01:00:10,915 --> 01:00:17,595
the conversations I've had about ozone
is we and our horses are exposed to much

1489
01:00:17,595 --> 01:00:26,495
more toxins, much more, um, pollutants,
much less affected, like much clean.

1490
01:00:26,555 --> 01:00:28,855
We have a lot more GMOs in our food

1491
01:00:29,025 --> 01:00:29,695
herbicides.

1492
01:00:29,695 --> 01:00:29,935
Yeah.

1493
01:00:29,985 --> 01:00:30,655
Herbicides.

1494
01:00:30,655 --> 01:00:35,895
Like, I have my horses on like a, like
a supplement that actually is counteract

1495
01:00:35,925 --> 01:00:38,415
counteracting roundup because Oh, great.

1496
01:00:38,415 --> 01:00:38,815
Because

1497
01:00:38,855 --> 01:00:42,975
I had a holistic vet say, I think one of
your horses has been exposed to Roundup.

1498
01:00:43,145 --> 01:00:46,775
Which, and, and also that since then
I've talked to many professionals

1499
01:00:46,775 --> 01:00:49,295
that said all of our horses
have been exposed to Roundup.

1500
01:00:49,395 --> 01:00:49,975
All right.

1501
01:00:50,005 --> 01:00:50,295
Yeah.

1502
01:00:50,435 --> 01:00:50,655
So.

1503
01:00:52,210 --> 01:00:53,589
It makes me think that.

1504
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:56,670
So someone, if someone's listening, and I
thought this too, I thought, well, if I'm

1505
01:00:56,670 --> 01:00:58,230
my, you know, our immune system is great.

1506
01:00:59,049 --> 01:00:59,270
Why?

1507
01:00:59,930 --> 01:01:00,830
Why fiddle with it?

1508
01:01:00,830 --> 01:01:01,629
Why mess with it?

1509
01:01:02,089 --> 01:01:06,509
But I would say that our immune systems
and our horses immune systems are much

1510
01:01:06,580 --> 01:01:09,870
more, and you can let me know what
you think about this statement, but

1511
01:01:09,870 --> 01:01:14,710
I feel like we are fighting a much
harder battle than a hundred years ago.

1512
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:18,430
Because there's a lot more in
the air, in the water, in the

1513
01:01:18,430 --> 01:01:19,390
food than there was before.

1514
01:01:19,529 --> 01:01:21,350
That's, there's no one
would argue with that.

1515
01:01:22,350 --> 01:01:22,629
Absolutely.

1516
01:01:22,690 --> 01:01:23,549
No one would argue with that.

1517
01:01:23,650 --> 01:01:28,220
So it's not too far afield to say that we
could use some help where we can get it.

1518
01:01:28,220 --> 01:01:28,540
Right.

1519
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:28,859
Right.

1520
01:01:29,529 --> 01:01:30,020
Exactly.

1521
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,259
So let's talk about stem cell.

1522
01:01:32,759 --> 01:01:35,100
I'd love to talk about 'cause,
and maybe we can talk about it

1523
01:01:35,259 --> 01:01:36,420
together, like stem cell therapy.

1524
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:37,020
Mm-hmm.

1525
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,259
Um, PRP, which is equine,
um, platelet rich plasma.

1526
01:01:41,290 --> 01:01:41,580
Yeah.

1527
01:01:41,580 --> 01:01:44,420
Which, uh, a lot of us, I mean
people, I think a lot of us are

1528
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:47,740
familiar with PRP, but I'd like
to talk about it, um, in detail.

1529
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:48,980
And then the amniotic.

1530
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:50,870
Fluid a ute.

1531
01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:52,390
Oh man, this is interesting stuff.

1532
01:01:53,050 --> 01:01:56,750
So let's, let's go with, let's go
with the stem cells too, because the

1533
01:01:56,750 --> 01:02:01,440
stem cells have a lot of intricacies
and controversies on its own.

1534
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,360
Back in the days, we used to think
that you had a, a problem, you had

1535
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,800
a wound, you're missing an organ.

1536
01:02:07,860 --> 01:02:09,200
Uh, you're missing a tendon.

1537
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:10,200
You're missing a ligament.

1538
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:14,000
And we used to think that we were
gonna put a stem cells and it was

1539
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,560
just gonna create a brand new one.

1540
01:02:16,330 --> 01:02:16,680
Right.

1541
01:02:17,140 --> 01:02:19,960
It, it doesn't, it doesn't work
Like, it doesn't work like that.

1542
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:20,240
Okay.

1543
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:24,280
We have found out that the stem
cells themselves, and this is,

1544
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,920
this is part of the, I don't wanna
say problem, but this is part of

1545
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,600
the challenges that we have found.

1546
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:33,720
The more research we do, we keep
finding out that there are different

1547
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,000
ways they work, not that they're
ineffective, it's just that there

1548
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,280
are different ways they work.

1549
01:02:39,310 --> 01:02:42,690
And we have found out that the stem
cells doesn't necessarily regenerate.

1550
01:02:44,180 --> 01:02:44,620
A tissue.

1551
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,180
And that's why now they're
trying to change this.

1552
01:02:47,410 --> 01:02:50,740
Instead of doing regenerative
therapies there, there is a big

1553
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:53,740
movement to call them orthobiologics.

1554
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:55,220
Ortho from orthopedics.

1555
01:02:55,220 --> 01:02:57,860
Yeah, biologics from biologics.

1556
01:02:57,860 --> 01:02:58,100
Cool.

1557
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,900
Rather than calling it regenerative
so that we don't get confused and the

1558
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:08,060
public doesn't get confused and thinking,
yeah, you're gonna chop off your thumb.

1559
01:03:08,060 --> 01:03:09,500
You put stem cells and grow a new thumb.

1560
01:03:09,690 --> 01:03:10,259
Well, I think

1561
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:12,700
language, and that's where
word choice is important.

1562
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:13,060
Yes.

1563
01:03:13,110 --> 01:03:13,460
Right.

1564
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:18,060
So now we call it words of biologics
because we found out that they

1565
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:19,700
don't regenerate that tendon.

1566
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:24,700
But what they do is they, one, have
anti-inflammatory properties on its own.

1567
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:24,980
Yeah.

1568
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:30,660
And two, they call the stem,
the stem cells from the body.

1569
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:33,340
They call 'em and say,
Hey, let's repair this.

1570
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:36,520
So let's repair this together.

1571
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:37,080
Mm-hmm.

1572
01:03:37,260 --> 01:03:38,640
Repair it faster.

1573
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:39,360
Mm-hmm.

1574
01:03:39,740 --> 01:03:41,200
And then they get to work

1575
01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:41,760
and it's cool.

1576
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,720
'cause you call them soldiers
and that's how they was

1577
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,400
described when I had stem cell.

1578
01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:45,760
Yeah.

1579
01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:46,320
Done.

1580
01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:48,240
That's how the doctor explained it to me.

1581
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:48,440
Yes.

1582
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,320
He said, we're gonna go in, we're
gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna

1583
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:57,200
irritate that a c uhhuh that has torn
and we're gonna tell the body, Hey,

1584
01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:58,880
we're, it's like a big white flag.

1585
01:03:59,510 --> 01:04:03,680
Like, Hey, over here, over here, then
we're gonna draw your bone marrow.

1586
01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:07,160
We're gonna, we're gonna spin it
and draw your stem cells and then

1587
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,080
we're gonna, with these huge needles.

1588
01:04:10,030 --> 01:04:10,320
Huge.

1589
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:10,640
Good thing.

1590
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:11,760
I didn't have any issue with needles.

1591
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:14,880
With these huge needles were
gonna vary specifically.

1592
01:04:15,790 --> 01:04:17,890
Target the stem cells to this area.

1593
01:04:17,890 --> 01:04:18,250
Mm-hmm.

1594
01:04:18,270 --> 01:04:19,010
And that's stem cells.

1595
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:20,050
They're all like little soldiers.

1596
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:20,890
And they're like, yeah.

1597
01:04:20,890 --> 01:04:22,410
Kind of like super motivated.

1598
01:04:22,410 --> 01:04:25,330
Like, you know, they're super
motivated sergeants going, Hey

1599
01:04:25,330 --> 01:04:27,530
guys, like come over here, fix this.

1600
01:04:27,660 --> 01:04:28,930
Let's fix, we gotta fix this.

1601
01:04:29,030 --> 01:04:30,250
And like right now, yeah.

1602
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,730
That, that's, and that's how it works.

1603
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,610
That that's how we have found
out that they, that they work

1604
01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:38,330
now, same thing with with Amon.

1605
01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:39,290
What is Amon?

1606
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:40,890
Amon is fluid.

1607
01:04:42,145 --> 01:04:43,535
Let's say you have a fall.

1608
01:04:43,555 --> 01:04:43,975
Mm-hmm.

1609
01:04:43,995 --> 01:04:46,535
And this fall comes in a bag.

1610
01:04:46,805 --> 01:04:47,095
Yeah.

1611
01:04:47,275 --> 01:04:48,535
We call it the placenta.

1612
01:04:48,535 --> 01:04:48,815
Yeah.

1613
01:04:49,155 --> 01:04:54,695
And this placenta has a part called
the Amon and the Amon, A-M-N-I-O-N.

1614
01:04:54,695 --> 01:04:55,055
Mm-hmm.

1615
01:04:55,165 --> 01:04:55,455
That

1616
01:04:55,605 --> 01:04:58,215
Amon goes around the baby itself.

1617
01:04:58,435 --> 01:04:58,655
Oh,

1618
01:04:58,655 --> 01:04:58,815
so

1619
01:04:58,815 --> 01:04:59,535
it's another layer.

1620
01:04:59,765 --> 01:05:01,255
It's like the amniotic fluid.

1621
01:05:01,395 --> 01:05:01,615
Yes.

1622
01:05:01,645 --> 01:05:01,935
Yeah.

1623
01:05:02,075 --> 01:05:04,095
And that amniotic fluid can be collected.

1624
01:05:04,275 --> 01:05:04,695
Oh wow.

1625
01:05:05,509 --> 01:05:08,529
And AM field has great
anti-inflammatory properties.

1626
01:05:08,620 --> 01:05:09,609
Great, great.

1627
01:05:09,799 --> 01:05:10,089
Yeah.

1628
01:05:10,270 --> 01:05:14,890
And that can be put into the bones,
into the ligaments, into the joints.

1629
01:05:15,150 --> 01:05:17,810
And so for everyone to know,
that's also what we're gonna

1630
01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:18,850
be doing today with my marere.

1631
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:19,089
Yes.

1632
01:05:19,089 --> 01:05:19,290
Yes.

1633
01:05:19,290 --> 01:05:19,810
Is we're

1634
01:05:19,810 --> 01:05:24,410
gonna be putting, so I have been working
with Alberto to work on my mare and some

1635
01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:30,650
of her previous injuries from her previous
life to reduce the inflammation and create

1636
01:05:30,879 --> 01:05:37,009
more, um, like, like, uh, basically more
support in areas that have bone spurs Yes.

1637
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:38,290
Or mild kissing spine.

1638
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:38,609
Yep.

1639
01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:41,049
And this, and we've used amniotic
fluid in those areas, correct?

1640
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:41,370
Yep.

1641
01:05:41,470 --> 01:05:42,569
We do amniotic fluid.

1642
01:05:42,670 --> 01:05:45,170
And we also did it in, in her
eye because she had u vitis

1643
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:45,690
uveitis.

1644
01:05:45,690 --> 01:05:45,850
Yeah.

1645
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:46,129
Ooh,

1646
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,529
someone's not gonna like this.

1647
01:05:47,529 --> 01:05:47,730
Yeah.

1648
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:48,890
But we did it in her eye.

1649
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:49,210
Yeah.

1650
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:54,290
And we also, we, we also do alpha two
M, which is another blood product.

1651
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:54,690
Yes.

1652
01:05:54,819 --> 01:05:56,490
Alpha two M is a plasma product.

1653
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:56,810
Yeah.

1654
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,529
That has the particular protein
called Alpha two M. Mm-hmm.

1655
01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:02,049
That's in our blood.

1656
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:02,410
Yeah.

1657
01:06:02,589 --> 01:06:04,049
We concentrated, we spin it.

1658
01:06:04,049 --> 01:06:04,250
Yeah.

1659
01:06:04,730 --> 01:06:04,930
Concentrated.

1660
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,270
Put it in the area, in the affected area.

1661
01:06:08,490 --> 01:06:11,270
And so, and I wanna share with everyone
who's listening or watching that, the

1662
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:14,950
reason why I as personally I can share
with, with everyone, my reasoning

1663
01:06:15,050 --> 01:06:17,230
was that my mare is 15 years old.

1664
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,030
She's had a big and colorful,
exciting life before me.

1665
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,350
She's clearly had a series of injuries
that weren't treated at the time.

1666
01:06:25,690 --> 01:06:29,750
So what I'm trying to do is we're
trying to see if we can use these,

1667
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:36,590
these treatments to improve her comfort
level and allow her to, um, regain a

1668
01:06:36,590 --> 01:06:41,110
closer to a hundred percent mobility
in those areas instead of the last,

1669
01:06:41,110 --> 01:06:44,310
which I always think is, and, and it's
a really important one to do, is the

1670
01:06:44,310 --> 01:06:48,750
last, the, the, the, the point of,
um, the last point of, of contact I

1671
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:50,070
would say, or the treatment is steroids

1672
01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:50,870
instead of steroids.

1673
01:06:50,970 --> 01:06:51,190
And

1674
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:51,510
there's nothing.

1675
01:06:51,570 --> 01:06:54,390
And you told me when we talked about
this, there's nothing wrong with

1676
01:06:54,550 --> 01:06:56,830
steroids, but wouldn't it be cool if.

1677
01:06:57,754 --> 01:07:03,694
If plasma and amniotic A two
m and PRP would work as well.

1678
01:07:03,835 --> 01:07:04,254
Mm-hmm.

1679
01:07:04,365 --> 01:07:07,654
With her, because we can
continue to give that over time.

1680
01:07:08,615 --> 01:07:12,575
Steroids have a bit of a
different effect over time.

1681
01:07:13,095 --> 01:07:17,884
Steroids are not gonna heal, but
they're great anti-inflammatory.

1682
01:07:17,995 --> 01:07:19,444
They're amazing at what they do.

1683
01:07:19,444 --> 01:07:19,845
Mm-hmm.

1684
01:07:19,924 --> 01:07:20,805
They're great discovery.

1685
01:07:20,944 --> 01:07:21,365
Mm-hmm.

1686
01:07:21,714 --> 01:07:23,645
They just don't, they don't heal.

1687
01:07:23,665 --> 01:07:27,605
You get a steroid shot in a, in a,
in your knee, you're probably gonna

1688
01:07:27,605 --> 01:07:28,924
need another one in four months.

1689
01:07:28,935 --> 01:07:29,725
Three months, yeah.

1690
01:07:29,725 --> 01:07:30,685
After UACL.

1691
01:07:30,685 --> 01:07:30,964
Yeah.

1692
01:07:31,025 --> 01:07:31,725
It, it lasts.

1693
01:07:32,105 --> 01:07:33,645
It doesn't last a whole lot of time.

1694
01:07:34,504 --> 01:07:37,205
And yeah, it will, it will
help you with the pain.

1695
01:07:37,504 --> 01:07:38,645
It will help with the inflammation.

1696
01:07:38,645 --> 01:07:38,845
It's

1697
01:07:38,845 --> 01:07:41,964
like more like a super, it's
like a super powerful bandaid.

1698
01:07:42,185 --> 01:07:42,404
Yes.

1699
01:07:42,585 --> 01:07:43,565
That's, I like that.

1700
01:07:43,565 --> 01:07:44,765
It's a super powerful bandaid.

1701
01:07:44,765 --> 01:07:44,924
Yeah.

1702
01:07:44,924 --> 01:07:49,045
Whereas PRP and, and A two
M, what would you call them?

1703
01:07:49,045 --> 01:07:50,004
They're more like I,

1704
01:07:50,004 --> 01:07:51,045
they're also a bandaid.

1705
01:07:51,115 --> 01:07:51,404
Yeah.

1706
01:07:51,984 --> 01:07:52,845
But they help.

1707
01:07:53,635 --> 01:07:56,175
Fixing, but that also a bandaid.

1708
01:07:56,175 --> 01:07:56,455
Yeah.

1709
01:07:56,675 --> 01:08:01,975
We, we still haven't, we still have not
come up with something that completely

1710
01:08:03,095 --> 01:08:04,215
reverses reverse

1711
01:08:04,355 --> 01:08:04,735
the process.

1712
01:08:04,735 --> 01:08:05,015
Yeah.

1713
01:08:05,015 --> 01:08:05,175
Yeah.

1714
01:08:05,435 --> 01:08:11,545
Now, bear in mind, haven't we come up
with this because we don't change our

1715
01:08:11,545 --> 01:08:13,585
pattern or we don't change our behavior?

1716
01:08:14,135 --> 01:08:17,265
Because think about, think
about the simplest thing.

1717
01:08:17,265 --> 01:08:17,665
Mm-hmm.

1718
01:08:17,715 --> 01:08:21,425
Think about you go to a chiropractor,
the chiropractor adjusts your neck,

1719
01:08:21,425 --> 01:08:22,745
your back, and you feel really good.

1720
01:08:22,965 --> 01:08:23,185
Yes.

1721
01:08:23,685 --> 01:08:24,505
Now you go home.

1722
01:08:24,845 --> 01:08:25,825
Do you change your bed?

1723
01:08:26,285 --> 01:08:27,984
Do you change your car seat?

1724
01:08:28,875 --> 01:08:30,255
Do you change the way you walk?

1725
01:08:30,715 --> 01:08:31,694
Do you change your shoes?

1726
01:08:32,915 --> 01:08:33,495
So true.

1727
01:08:33,705 --> 01:08:34,055
Right?

1728
01:08:34,365 --> 01:08:34,654
Whoa.

1729
01:08:35,315 --> 01:08:41,415
So, so are we, are, are we not seeing
the full effect because we continue

1730
01:08:41,415 --> 01:08:44,495
doing the same thing or just because
they don't actually reverse it?

1731
01:08:44,495 --> 01:08:47,815
There's something, a question to put
to pose out there that, that might be

1732
01:08:48,015 --> 01:08:49,255
interesting looking into, into the future.

1733
01:08:49,315 --> 01:08:50,895
You know, gosh, that's

1734
01:08:50,925 --> 01:08:51,215
such.

1735
01:08:53,674 --> 01:08:54,514
I feel like I'm gonna give that.

1736
01:08:54,544 --> 01:08:54,835
Yeah.

1737
01:08:54,835 --> 01:08:55,035
Right.

1738
01:08:55,264 --> 01:08:56,115
That fra.

1739
01:08:56,304 --> 01:08:56,594
Okay.

1740
01:08:56,654 --> 01:09:02,875
So I think that's such an important point
because that's the importance of podiatry.

1741
01:09:02,875 --> 01:09:03,194
Mm-hmm.

1742
01:09:03,375 --> 01:09:07,634
And why our understanding of
our horses' feet, you know, they

1743
01:09:07,634 --> 01:09:09,075
say no horse, no hoof, no horse.

1744
01:09:09,075 --> 01:09:09,394
Mm-hmm.

1745
01:09:09,474 --> 01:09:09,594
Right?

1746
01:09:10,174 --> 01:09:11,794
The nutrition aspect of things.

1747
01:09:12,134 --> 01:09:15,035
Our horses actually being given
the very best chance they can

1748
01:09:15,094 --> 01:09:17,794
to develop the muscles and the
strength that they need to mm-hmm.

1749
01:09:18,254 --> 01:09:20,274
Top line physiology, biomechanics.

1750
01:09:20,575 --> 01:09:23,394
So all these things you're, you're
like, you're so right, Alberto.

1751
01:09:23,394 --> 01:09:28,594
Like we, we can go and get fixed by
the chiropractor, but if we are still

1752
01:09:28,754 --> 01:09:31,714
sleeping on a really poorly designed bed.

1753
01:09:32,825 --> 01:09:36,934
We're still spending 15 hours in
front of the computer with our

1754
01:09:36,934 --> 01:09:38,215
neck forward like this, right?

1755
01:09:38,215 --> 01:09:38,575
Mm-hmm.

1756
01:09:38,755 --> 01:09:43,615
If we are slu, we are like slunched over,
we're not doing any physical fitness,

1757
01:09:43,825 --> 01:09:46,814
we're not strengthening all the parts
of our muscles and our bodies that

1758
01:09:46,814 --> 01:09:48,215
we need to, to have correct posture.

1759
01:09:48,644 --> 01:09:51,014
Then it doesn't matter how
great your chiropractor is.

1760
01:09:51,085 --> 01:09:51,375
Yeah.

1761
01:09:51,394 --> 01:09:55,695
We can easily tell it didn't work
or we can just say, Hey, I didn't

1762
01:09:55,695 --> 01:09:58,934
do anything to make it work,
or I just have to keep going.

1763
01:09:59,255 --> 01:09:59,415
Right?

1764
01:09:59,415 --> 01:09:59,575
Yeah.

1765
01:09:59,575 --> 01:10:01,174
You keep going and not
change anything else.

1766
01:10:01,394 --> 01:10:05,575
And that's why you told me the first
round we did of, of injections on Lady.

1767
01:10:05,575 --> 01:10:05,974
Mm-hmm.

1768
01:10:06,115 --> 01:10:06,335
You

1769
01:10:06,335 --> 01:10:10,775
said it's really important that
you maintain and you continue

1770
01:10:10,815 --> 01:10:12,014
to work on her physiotherapy.

1771
01:10:12,155 --> 01:10:12,375
Yes.

1772
01:10:12,554 --> 01:10:17,054
And that's something that, and I've come
to really understand, like we, we talk

1773
01:10:17,215 --> 01:10:19,695
a lot about core strength in people.

1774
01:10:19,715 --> 01:10:20,134
Mm-hmm.

1775
01:10:20,474 --> 01:10:22,535
But do we talk a lot about core strength?

1776
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:26,600
It's becoming more and more
accepted and more popular now.

1777
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,800
'cause the human physiotherapist
are doing a real good job

1778
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,280
helping us understand that.

1779
01:10:31,380 --> 01:10:34,240
And then the nurse has
trainers and, and rehabbers.

1780
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:35,800
Now we Oh, okay.

1781
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:36,840
It makes a little bit of sense.

1782
01:10:36,860 --> 01:10:38,280
So we are working towards it as well.

1783
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:38,760
Because I can

1784
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,840
imagine, like if you, you, you, you bring
someone in and their horse, you know,

1785
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,880
and you say, okay, look, hey, this is,
we, we actually, we caught this early.

1786
01:10:46,300 --> 01:10:48,920
We can do a series of PRP
and A two M injections.

1787
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:49,600
Amazing.

1788
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:50,400
This is not too bad.

1789
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:51,560
This kissing spine is not too bad.

1790
01:10:51,780 --> 01:10:55,360
But if that owner goes home and over
feeds the horse, right, and the horse

1791
01:10:55,380 --> 01:11:00,000
is actually really high on the body
score, like on the body score spectrum.

1792
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,000
A nine, yeah.

1793
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:06,560
A nine, and the horse is obese, then
the stress on that skeletal structure

1794
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:10,040
is gonna counterbalance all the
money that they just spent with you.

1795
01:11:10,220 --> 01:11:11,440
Or it doesn't change the training.

1796
01:11:11,540 --> 01:11:14,400
For example, a kissing spine
horse shouldn't be trotting a lot.

1797
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,720
The horse should be doing a little bit
more countering and gallops than trotting.

1798
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,800
Just the way that me, the,
the rehabilitation works,

1799
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,920
they go back to traning, uh.

1800
01:11:23,725 --> 01:11:27,175
With a person banging on their, on
their back doesn't last that long.

1801
01:11:27,635 --> 01:11:28,375
And why is that?

1802
01:11:28,555 --> 01:11:29,335
Why so explain.

1803
01:11:29,455 --> 01:11:31,215
I, I think that's actually a
really good thing to mention

1804
01:11:31,275 --> 01:11:32,255
to those who are listening.

1805
01:11:32,435 --> 01:11:32,975
So, well

1806
01:11:32,975 --> 01:11:33,935
now we're gonna take about rehab.

1807
01:11:34,725 --> 01:11:35,975
Well, let's dive in a little bit.

1808
01:11:36,005 --> 01:11:36,295
Okay.

1809
01:11:36,295 --> 01:11:36,455
Okay.

1810
01:11:36,455 --> 01:11:38,695
Like, I mean, we'll stay on point, but
I think that's a really interesting

1811
01:11:38,695 --> 01:11:41,535
one because I'm sure everyone who's,
I remember that you mentioned that to

1812
01:11:41,535 --> 01:11:43,095
me first and I was like, wait, what?

1813
01:11:43,095 --> 01:11:43,375
Mm-hmm.

1814
01:11:43,485 --> 01:11:45,375
More cantor and more
walking and less trash.

1815
01:11:45,405 --> 01:11:45,695
Yeah.

1816
01:11:45,695 --> 01:11:48,295
If you have a kissing spine, side
note for the podcast, if you have

1817
01:11:48,295 --> 01:11:53,975
kissing spine, you, you want to eng
how do you engage the core more?

1818
01:11:53,975 --> 01:11:54,975
What, what is the core?

1819
01:11:54,975 --> 01:11:55,215
Yeah.

1820
01:11:55,215 --> 01:11:58,735
And the core has, your abdominal muscles
are a big part of your core, right?

1821
01:11:59,195 --> 01:12:03,215
So if you look at your horse when it's
countering, those abs are very engaged.

1822
01:12:03,215 --> 01:12:03,615
Mm-hmm.

1823
01:12:03,715 --> 01:12:06,015
And if you look at the horse
when it's strutting, they're not.

1824
01:12:06,155 --> 01:12:12,305
Mm. So the horse trots, and I'm gonna try
to, to, to verbally tell you what happens.

1825
01:12:12,695 --> 01:12:16,465
There's a big blob of food in the belly.

1826
01:12:17,755 --> 01:12:18,875
Big called the Intestines.

1827
01:12:18,875 --> 01:12:19,735
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1828
01:12:19,820 --> 01:12:20,160
Of course.

1829
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,120
A big bag of food in there.

1830
01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:23,520
Big bag, right?

1831
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:24,280
He is.

1832
01:12:24,460 --> 01:12:27,280
He has hundreds of pounds of food.

1833
01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:27,760
Yeah.

1834
01:12:28,030 --> 01:12:30,000
Stomach, small intestine.

1835
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:30,200
Yeah.

1836
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:30,720
It's a lot of weight.

1837
01:12:30,860 --> 01:12:31,960
We call that the viscera.

1838
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:32,320
Mm-hmm.

1839
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:37,080
And when that horse trots, when
it elevates and down, elevates

1840
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,720
and down, that viscera is
actually moving up and down too.

1841
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:41,480
Mm. Right.

1842
01:12:41,980 --> 01:12:46,240
And if the abs are not
engaged, it will pull down.

1843
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:48,890
And it will push up.

1844
01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:49,490
Gotcha.

1845
01:12:49,630 --> 01:12:53,770
And the spine, pull down, push up
versus in the counter those abs

1846
01:12:53,770 --> 01:12:59,650
are really tight and the visitor,
all that hundreds of pounds of food

1847
01:13:00,190 --> 01:13:02,410
are compressed in there are tight.

1848
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:02,890
Mm-hmm.

1849
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:06,690
And then there's less
bad motion in the spine.

1850
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:07,330
Cool.

1851
01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:10,570
I think that's really helpful for, 'cause
there's more and more cases of kissing

1852
01:13:10,660 --> 01:13:14,730
spine and I always wonder whether that's
because there's more cases of it or we're

1853
01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:14,970
seeing it.

1854
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:16,130
We're just seeing it.

1855
01:13:16,130 --> 01:13:16,370
Yeah.

1856
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:16,490
Right.

1857
01:13:16,890 --> 01:13:17,490
Probably seeing it more.

1858
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:18,370
It's very interesting.

1859
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:22,290
But I know that that was a real wow
moment for me as I am working on

1860
01:13:22,830 --> 01:13:26,650
the foundational, the biomechanical
and foundational aspects of my

1861
01:13:26,650 --> 01:13:27,690
mare as she's going through.

1862
01:13:27,690 --> 01:13:28,050
Mm-hmm.

1863
01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:28,810
This work with you.

1864
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:29,290
Mm-hmm.

1865
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:31,170
So to wrap up, yeah.

1866
01:13:31,330 --> 01:13:35,490
I thought it would, um, be really cool
to talk a little bit and just kind

1867
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:36,730
of close out on shockwave therapy.

1868
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:37,530
Shockwave.

1869
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:38,890
Shockwave was.

1870
01:13:40,015 --> 01:13:43,065
That has become very, very
common in the equine athletes.

1871
01:13:43,175 --> 01:13:47,225
They have done a fantastic
job at, at marketing it and

1872
01:13:47,375 --> 01:13:50,105
promoting the, the use of it.

1873
01:13:50,845 --> 01:13:58,015
The companies that provide shockwave, I
believe that have done a, a very good job

1874
01:13:58,745 --> 01:14:01,575
explaining and researching the product.

1875
01:14:01,745 --> 01:14:02,095
Right.

1876
01:14:02,715 --> 01:14:07,015
Uh, some of the myths that I like
to always uncover myth, right.

1877
01:14:07,285 --> 01:14:12,855
It's not the same as tents unit, the
one that you buy in the grocery store

1878
01:14:12,955 --> 01:14:16,775
or in Publix, and then you put in
the skin and give you electricity.

1879
01:14:17,145 --> 01:14:17,495
Right.

1880
01:14:17,565 --> 01:14:17,855
Okay.

1881
01:14:17,875 --> 01:14:18,495
So that's

1882
01:14:18,495 --> 01:14:19,695
not shockwave, that's not shock.

1883
01:14:19,875 --> 01:14:20,095
No.

1884
01:14:20,595 --> 01:14:25,335
And it's not the same thing
as what we call p post electro

1885
01:14:25,435 --> 01:14:27,055
electromagnetic field therapy.

1886
01:14:27,285 --> 01:14:27,575
Yeah.

1887
01:14:28,195 --> 01:14:29,375
And so that would be like shock.

1888
01:14:29,375 --> 01:14:30,415
That's like magna wave.

1889
01:14:30,665 --> 01:14:32,135
Magna wave er emer.

1890
01:14:32,155 --> 01:14:33,575
So shockwave is not that.

1891
01:14:33,685 --> 01:14:33,975
Okay.

1892
01:14:33,975 --> 01:14:34,175
Right.

1893
01:14:34,685 --> 01:14:40,140
Shockwave is more of a. It has
more of a sound wave actually.

1894
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:46,580
Mm. That goes in the tissue, penetrates
the tissue, and we have found out that it

1895
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,660
has some improvement in the circulation.

1896
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:49,100
Mm-hmm.

1897
01:14:49,150 --> 01:14:50,980
Definitely has improvement in the pain.

1898
01:14:50,980 --> 01:14:54,500
In pain and it has some sort
of anti-inflammatory effect.

1899
01:14:54,730 --> 01:14:55,020
Okay.

1900
01:14:55,200 --> 01:15:01,080
Um, when I broke my, my fibula

1901
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:01,440
mm-hmm.

1902
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:03,470
Probably about eight years ago.

1903
01:15:03,740 --> 01:15:04,030
Okay.

1904
01:15:04,510 --> 01:15:07,550
I actually chuck wave it
because Oh, it was so painful.

1905
01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:11,470
It was so painful and I needed to
keep working as a young veterinarian.

1906
01:15:11,580 --> 01:15:14,830
Back in the day, you cannot skip a day,
so you have to keep going Of course.

1907
01:15:14,830 --> 01:15:15,910
And have to heal it faster.

1908
01:15:16,140 --> 01:15:16,430
Yeah.

1909
01:15:16,730 --> 01:15:24,300
So what I did, which is probably
not a recommended by the orthopedic

1910
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:29,580
surgeon, but I can tell you that my
pain was significantly decreased.

1911
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,100
Mm. And it healed very fast.

1912
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,500
Mm. It really helped heal.

1913
01:15:32,690 --> 01:15:33,820
This was invented for people.

1914
01:15:34,815 --> 01:15:35,235
Oh, cool.

1915
01:15:35,495 --> 01:15:36,875
The problem is, it's so painful.

1916
01:15:37,225 --> 01:15:38,275
Shockwave is painful.

1917
01:15:38,275 --> 01:15:38,475
Oh,

1918
01:15:38,475 --> 01:15:39,355
it's so painful on people.

1919
01:15:39,495 --> 01:15:39,715
Yes.

1920
01:15:40,095 --> 01:15:40,315
Oh,

1921
01:15:40,495 --> 01:15:40,715
so

1922
01:15:40,735 --> 01:15:41,835
it does causes pain.

1923
01:15:41,855 --> 01:15:45,394
And they're coming up with some of them
now that are quote unquote less painful.

1924
01:15:45,585 --> 01:15:45,875
Yeah.

1925
01:15:46,255 --> 01:15:51,675
Um, but it, it does hurt when
you, when you when So does

1926
01:15:51,675 --> 01:15:52,835
that mean when you do shockwave

1927
01:15:52,835 --> 01:15:53,155
on horses?

1928
01:15:53,175 --> 01:15:53,555
It hurts.

1929
01:15:53,735 --> 01:15:54,515
We isolate them.

1930
01:15:54,655 --> 01:15:54,995
Oh, okay.

1931
01:15:54,995 --> 01:15:55,155
Yeah.

1932
01:15:55,225 --> 01:15:55,515
Yeah.

1933
01:15:55,515 --> 01:15:56,075
We sedate them.

1934
01:15:56,215 --> 01:15:57,035
And why does it hurt?

1935
01:15:57,265 --> 01:16:02,155
Well, because that massive sound
wave going, it's like a chuck, ah,

1936
01:16:02,465 --> 01:16:07,955
it's literally a chuck of sound wave
that go in and, and that, and that

1937
01:16:07,955 --> 01:16:11,595
produces pain, especially if there
is a irritated tissue, because if

1938
01:16:11,595 --> 01:16:16,475
there's irritated tissue already hyper
high, highly, it is highly sensitive.

1939
01:16:16,655 --> 01:16:19,755
So why, why, why do, how
does that heal anything?

1940
01:16:19,935 --> 01:16:20,475
Uh, yeah.

1941
01:16:20,575 --> 01:16:21,835
It is, it is very interesting.

1942
01:16:21,835 --> 01:16:25,955
If you, I don't want to get into
the deep, deep aspect of the, of

1943
01:16:25,955 --> 01:16:29,355
the science of it, but let's say
it goes into the cell mm-hmm.

1944
01:16:29,975 --> 01:16:31,475
And it helps the sale.

1945
01:16:31,955 --> 01:16:32,035
Hmm.

1946
01:16:33,735 --> 01:16:36,585
Produce more signals.

1947
01:16:37,005 --> 01:16:40,225
Oh, produce more chemicals that
are actually good for the plate.

1948
01:16:40,225 --> 01:16:40,385
So

1949
01:16:40,385 --> 01:16:42,105
it's like almost like intentional stress.

1950
01:16:42,295 --> 01:16:42,585
Yeah.

1951
01:16:42,725 --> 01:16:43,385
On the area.

1952
01:16:43,685 --> 01:16:43,905
Yes.

1953
01:16:43,905 --> 01:16:44,345
That Well,

1954
01:16:44,425 --> 01:16:47,425
'
cause we always use, you know
when, whenever I think of pressure,

1955
01:16:47,425 --> 01:16:48,665
people go, oh no, not too much.

1956
01:16:48,725 --> 01:16:49,465
Not too much pressure.

1957
01:16:49,465 --> 01:16:50,105
Not too much pressure.

1958
01:16:50,365 --> 01:16:52,905
But I'm like, well actually if
you think about it geologically

1959
01:16:53,415 --> 01:16:54,385
what creates a diamond?

1960
01:16:55,025 --> 01:16:55,145
Pressure?

1961
01:16:55,465 --> 01:16:55,545
Pressure.

1962
01:16:55,905 --> 01:16:57,065
Pressure in the charcoal.

1963
01:16:57,065 --> 01:16:57,305
Yeah.

1964
01:16:57,325 --> 01:17:01,545
So there's lots of incidences
of in nature of how pressure.

1965
01:17:02,474 --> 01:17:05,525
Intentionally create if
intentionally focused Yeah.

1966
01:17:05,925 --> 01:17:09,365
Actually produces something remarkable,
something cherished, something perfectly.

1967
01:17:09,415 --> 01:17:09,764
Right.

1968
01:17:09,945 --> 01:17:12,005
So it sounds a little bit
like intentional stress.

1969
01:17:12,075 --> 01:17:12,365
Yeah.

1970
01:17:12,365 --> 01:17:12,885
Or pressure.

1971
01:17:13,115 --> 01:17:13,405
Yeah.

1972
01:17:13,505 --> 01:17:16,684
To produce an, like a
result within the body.

1973
01:17:16,684 --> 01:17:17,365
Biochemistry.

1974
01:17:17,845 --> 01:17:20,205
Excellent, excellent,
excellent explanation.

1975
01:17:20,224 --> 01:17:20,724
That's right.

1976
01:17:21,345 --> 01:17:22,525
You can hire me anytime.

1977
01:17:22,525 --> 01:17:23,485
Couldn't do any better.

1978
01:17:23,585 --> 01:17:25,365
I'm gonna, I'm gonna
take this piece for sure,

1979
01:17:27,304 --> 01:17:27,525
man.

1980
01:17:27,804 --> 01:17:29,764
I have learned so much in this podcast.

1981
01:17:29,835 --> 01:17:30,325
Awesome.

1982
01:17:30,545 --> 01:17:30,965
I'm glad

1983
01:17:31,365 --> 01:17:34,205
I am so Well, and I just wanna say
like, I've been really grateful

1984
01:17:34,264 --> 01:17:36,485
to be introduced to you, to work
with you and to learn from you.

1985
01:17:36,695 --> 01:17:37,125
Thank you.

1986
01:17:37,125 --> 01:17:44,065
Because I think it's so important that
as everyday horse owners, we are given

1987
01:17:45,325 --> 01:17:49,425
the tools to make the best decisions
for our horse's health because our

1988
01:17:49,425 --> 01:17:50,705
horses can't speak for themselves.

1989
01:17:50,705 --> 01:17:50,985
Yeah.

1990
01:17:51,285 --> 01:17:54,065
So I think it's almost, it's,
it's, it is truly fundamentally

1991
01:17:54,065 --> 01:17:58,585
our responsibility to learn as much
as we can about what's available.

1992
01:17:58,764 --> 01:17:59,184
Mm-hmm.

1993
01:17:59,365 --> 01:18:01,144
And then what's available
each within our own.

1994
01:18:02,559 --> 01:18:04,459
Um, like what's available in our area.

1995
01:18:04,650 --> 01:18:04,940
Yeah.

1996
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,379
You know, as soon as we started
doing a two M and, and, um, and

1997
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:11,259
PRPI said to you, well, do you
think it's gonna be available?

1998
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:14,339
And I did some research, is it gonna
be available in my area when we

1999
01:18:14,339 --> 01:18:15,540
go back to the Pacific Northwest?

2000
01:18:15,839 --> 01:18:16,780
And sure enough, it is,

2001
01:18:16,929 --> 01:18:19,459
it's becoming more, more wildly available.

2002
01:18:19,799 --> 01:18:25,259
And, and because of owners like you
and promoters like you, now we are,

2003
01:18:25,639 --> 01:18:29,219
who are so concerned about the, the
health and welfare of the horse.

2004
01:18:29,650 --> 01:18:33,259
It's starting to get more known
because we vet, we do a horrible job

2005
01:18:33,809 --> 01:18:35,620
promoting these alternative therapies.

2006
01:18:35,620 --> 01:18:38,019
We do a really bad job
because they're not drugs.

2007
01:18:38,690 --> 01:18:38,980
Yeah.

2008
01:18:39,070 --> 01:18:39,419
Right.

2009
01:18:39,839 --> 01:18:47,419
So, so it, it takes a massive effort on
the horse trainers, owners demanding it.

2010
01:18:47,610 --> 01:18:47,900
Yeah.

2011
01:18:47,900 --> 01:18:49,580
And I was gonna say, it's, it's just.

2012
01:18:51,170 --> 01:18:51,519
Horse.

2013
01:18:51,889 --> 01:18:54,759
Horse health is as much a
market as anything else, right?

2014
01:18:55,219 --> 01:19:00,120
So the market will respond to the demand,
goal supply will respond to the demand.

2015
01:19:00,540 --> 01:19:04,160
So for everyone who's listening or
watching this episode, if you are in an

2016
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:08,200
area that these, these, these therapies
don't exist, you know, I think that every

2017
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:13,280
individual has the ability to together
with other individuals who want it.

2018
01:19:13,380 --> 01:19:13,599
Yep.

2019
01:19:13,700 --> 01:19:17,559
And to start actually calling out
to, to reaching out to your local

2020
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,160
vet clinics and saying, we want this.

2021
01:19:20,429 --> 01:19:23,759
Because again, every vet clinic
is just like every business.

2022
01:19:24,139 --> 01:19:28,400
If the market demands it, they
will inevitably respond because

2023
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:30,480
it's what the customer wants.

2024
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:31,719
A hundred percent.

2025
01:19:32,019 --> 01:19:36,000
One of the, one of the biggest
fears of veterinarians is to

2026
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:40,800
spend several thousand dollars on
a product and expire on a shelf.

2027
01:19:41,179 --> 01:19:41,759
Oh yeah.

2028
01:19:41,759 --> 01:19:42,080
Right?

2029
01:19:42,110 --> 01:19:42,400
Yeah.

2030
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:42,599
Because

2031
01:19:42,599 --> 01:19:45,000
in order to do a lot of these things,
you have to do quite an investment.

2032
01:19:45,340 --> 01:19:48,679
You basically need to have
a laboratory in your place.

2033
01:19:49,799 --> 01:19:51,419
You have to invest thousands of dollars.

2034
01:19:51,599 --> 01:19:54,019
So it would, that's a big fear.

2035
01:19:54,210 --> 01:19:54,500
Yeah.

2036
01:19:54,759 --> 01:19:57,580
And I, I know because I
know many veterinarians who

2037
01:19:58,230 --> 01:19:59,219
don't have the equipment.

2038
01:19:59,219 --> 01:20:00,139
They just send me the horses.

2039
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:01,259
No, you, you do it

2040
01:20:02,030 --> 01:20:02,379
right.

2041
01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:03,299
You, you go and do it.

2042
01:20:03,299 --> 01:20:09,860
But they're, they're good enough to
recognize that they don't have it, and

2043
01:20:09,860 --> 01:20:11,059
they want what's best for the horse.

2044
01:20:11,839 --> 01:20:14,540
So they'll, they'll send it to us
for, they do everything else, and

2045
01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:20,460
then we'll do the, the, the therapies
and, and that is, if there's a demand,

2046
01:20:20,839 --> 01:20:22,540
the vets will get it, I promise.

2047
01:20:22,639 --> 01:20:23,059
Mm-hmm.

2048
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:23,700
That's

2049
01:20:23,700 --> 01:20:25,500
what a great way to end
to wrap up the party.

2050
01:20:25,730 --> 01:20:26,219
Awesome.

2051
01:20:26,269 --> 01:20:26,620
Thank

2052
01:20:26,620 --> 01:20:27,419
you so much, Alberto.

2053
01:20:27,419 --> 01:20:28,139
You're very welcome.

2054
01:20:28,169 --> 01:20:29,700
It's been an absolute pleasure.

2055
01:20:29,820 --> 01:20:31,860
I hope I added value to
you and your audience.

2056
01:20:32,049 --> 01:20:32,339
Yeah.

2057
01:20:32,519 --> 01:20:33,660
And we are here for you.